The Kevin Sheehan Show - Re-Calibrating Super Bowl Predictions?

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

Kevin and Thom today with a ton on Jayden Daniels' knee injury and how to minimize the amount of hits he takes. The guys had a guess on whether or not he would play before moving on to re-calibrating their Super Bowl predictions both made just two weeks ago. Plenty on Tom Brady's conflicts of interest as well as thoughts on the passing of Robert Redford. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Window Nation, 86690 Nation. Window Nation.com if you need new windows. Tommy, this from Jared to kick off the show. Jared in the subject of the email writes, Will you view the handling of JD5 Knee the same as RG3. Jared writes, Kev, love the pot.

I've been listening to you since I was in grad school and I'm 40 now. I distinctly remember you saying on the radio when RG3 had his injured knee heading into the Seattle game saying, if he's cleared to play, then play him in capital letters.

I'm curious if you will feel the same about this potential injury. I realize RG3's knee injury was much more significant than that. than what we are hearing about JD, and the game was obviously more important than a week three or potentially even a week four game. I guess my overall theme of my question is, will you be more patient with JD5 and his potential injury as you weren't with RG3?

Looking forward to the show and the podcast. Thank you, Jared, for that. Wow, he's been listening to me since he was in grad school, so figure 23, 25, 25 years old. He's 40 now. Yeah, I've been doing this for 20 years, and you have been, you've been doing it, well, you've been writing for a lot longer than 20 years, but you've been doing radio for nearly 20 years as well. Well, if you take into my sense on the sports reporters every week, more than 20 years. Yeah, with Andy and Zabe. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think you nailed it here. I mean, I don't know if I will add much to it. I mean,

let me just say this. If he's cleared to play and he's not injured and there's no risk and it was, you know, a very slight sprained knee and he's completely recovered, of course. I don't want to sit him if he's 100%. In this particular case, though, if he's not 100%, I would definitely err on the side of caution given that it's a week three game. I would definitely err on the side of caution. In the RG3 case, it was, you know,

question of if he's healthy enough to play, it's a playoff game, play him. Yeah, I absolutely remember saying that. And I think that's always been my mindset of I don't get the people who say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is the franchise here. He's totally fine, even though he took a hit on his knee last week. But because that hit looks so nasty, we're going to sit him for the next three weeks. No, let the doctors make the decision as to whether or not he's 100% or not. In this case, if he's 100%, play him. If he's not 100%, I would absolutely err on the side of being cautionary in week three. 100%. I would. And let's not forget, there were a lot of shenanigans going on back in 2012 at the end of that season heading into that playoff game against Seattle. We can talk about

what happened in the game against Seattle. But the shenanigans being, he was injured, he came back, he wanted to play against Cleveland, even though the doctor didn't clear him to play against Cleveland. Dr. Snyder cleared him to play against Cleveland. And the coaching staff said absolutely not. And then when he did come back, he didn't want to run the read option. So he was hobbling in practice to fake like he couldn't run it. and they said, well, you're not playing, and then all of a sudden he was fine running it.

God, that era. When are we going to get the 30 for 30 on that? When are we going to get the RG330 for 30? You know, I hope we never do because I have a great fear that the message that will come through is that he was a victim. Yeah, maybe. Because that the national outside perception, particularly as, the years go by, and the younger generation who are stupid, you know, have no idea to what really happened.

Yeah. And they automatically assume that RG3 was victimized. I'm afraid that that would be the message. So I just assume it all stay where it is. It really goes to show you that in sports and in everything, really, politics are local, Tommy. Politics are local. You got to know what's going on locally, you know, and all the detail associated with it. Or, I mean, not that it stops us from weighing in on national issues or other market teams, you know, outside the market teams.

But, yeah, that was such a frustrating time because we knew here in Washington what was going on. and it was being portrayed outside this market, especially by national sports guys, in the complete opposite direction, and they were wrong, 100% wrong. Yeah. This, you know, and even worse, as we've talked about many times, they turned it into something racial,

which it really never was about that at all. But anyway, yeah, I, I, um, let me just say, I don't think he's going to play Sunday. And that's where I wanted to start with you. You have been a reporter in your life, long-time columnist, but certainly a reporter. And you have, you know, reporters' instincts and hunches. And I'm curious as to what you think about the last few days, starting with Grant Paulson on his show,

discussing that he had heard that RG3 had an MRI. and then knowing that every, you know, Shefter, Rappaport, national guy and local guy was going to try to dig into this and find out if he had an MRI, if he was injured, how serious the injury was. We didn't hear anything the entire weekend. We didn't hear anything until right before the Quinn press conference yesterday when Schaefter and Rappaport had that it was a sprain knee,

that he might not play. And then in the press conference, yesterday from Quinn, we got hardly anything. We got day-to-day. Yes, he had an MRI. Yes, it's a knee, but nothing specific about the knee injury. He did not acknowledge it with the spring knee. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. We got nothing other than he's day-to-day. Yes, he had an MRI, and yes, it's his knee, but nothing specific about the knee injury. No results of the MRI. Kime reported that the MRI results revealed nothing major. So my question to you as a longtime newspaper man,

what do you think's going on here? Do you think he's hurt or not hurt? You think he'll play or won't play? I think it is borderline. I think they're pretty accurate. I don't look. I think pretty things have pretty much unfolded like you would expect. and it was particularly strange because it was a Thursday night game,

and you had the whole weekend where there was no press conferences, no reporter presence at the park. There was really nothing until the weekend kind of resulted in the delay of what we might know. Let me show something else out to you. Something really stupid, okay, since stupid seems to be a theme here today. Well, that comes from you. about a whole generation of people. Right.

Yeah. What if he could play, but he is slightly hurt, and they're frustrated with the chances he takes behind there. And what if they want to teach him a lesson? By what? Sitting him? Yeah. Well, I, I, I, if he, if he, if,

If he's not 100%, he doesn't play in week three, first of all. Okay. Because we're not talking about a rib injury. We're talking about a knee injury. You know, apples and oranges. Well, he's not 100%. If he is 100%, he's going to play. They're not going to bench him if he's 100%.

They should play him if he's 100%. Right. Yeah. If he passes all the markers that Quinn talks about, you know, medical on field, the whole thing, he should play. By the way, this is turning into, even though it's only week three, it's a somewhat important game because the next two weeks they go on the road to Atlanta and then to face the Chargers, two teams that have played pretty well here over the first two weeks

of the season. So you kind of need to get this one Sunday to avoid maybe a catastrophic start to the season. Yes, this was on your list of foolish preseason wins and lost predictions. this would have been a win. Yes. You'd view this as a win. Yes. But I do I think, you know, it actually is a good segue into the question of

what is the solution here to him not getting hit as much as he's been getting hit? He led the league last year for quarterbacks in hits, in terms of being hit, and through two weeks he's been hit. more than any other quarterback in the league. You know, it's not just a him solution. It's a them solution.

And you know, Pauley, longtime caller to the radio show from the 757, Tidewater Area, he said something to me today that I can't believe that I didn't think of. And by now it being Tuesday. And that is, he should have never been in the game. in the fourth quarter, or certainly after it became 27 to 10. Given the context of that game, which is they couldn't protect him, he was getting absolutely the crap beat out of him. That happened start to finish in the game on Thursday night.

They're down 27 to 10 with 8, 7, 6 minutes to go. By the way, he took the shot on his knee in the early portion of the fourth quarter, which let me just say, I don't know if the team knew that. I don't know if they knew he took that shot on his knee and if he was hurting from it because he wasn't limping noticeably until he rolled his ankle late in the fourth quarter on that drive that made it 27 to 18. But, you know, in protecting him and minimizing the times he gets hit, it would have been a good idea in that particular game. I'm not saying down 17 with eight minutes, seven minutes to go in every game is a pull him situation.

but in that game, they should have pulled them. They should have pulled a lot of guys, the older guys, Ertz, Echler. Echler wouldn't have been hurt had they pulled them. You know, because they weren't going to win that game. There was not much of a chance at all that they were going to win the game. And so they subjected him to another two series offensively of hits, including one in which he rolled his ankle on a scramble. What do you think of that?

Do you think they should have pulled them? It never occurred to me to pull them. It didn't. It didn't occur to you either at the time? No, it did not occur to me at the time. But I think when Pauley brought that up, I'm like, I thought back to the Tampa Bay game last year, the opener. And they're down 37 to 13 in the fourth quarter.

And they've got them running Zone Reeds. They've got them running designed runs. He's out there and he's taking big shots. after a big shot. And I came in here on that Monday and I said, what are you guys doing? His first came, your prized possession. The game is over.

If you want him in the game, have him hand the ball off. But you don't put him into a position where he's got the option to run the football against that defense. And remember, he took some big shots at the end. And Kingsbury actually said later that week when they had the coordinator press conference day, he said, I probably. probably shouldn't run our rookie quarterback late in a 37 to 13 game. I think, you know, I did not think that in the moment, but I think I'm upset because I should have considered

that after the fact. But it didn't occur to me while I was watching it. But it's not my job for it to occur to me. He took a lot of unnecessary hits in a game that was over. So one of the solutions to minimizing the hits on Jaden long term is games that are pretty much over. You can have them in the game, but have him hand the ball off or throw bubble screens to get the ball out of his hands quickly. Let's not have him drop back against a pass rush that you can't block. So continuing on the theme of stupidity here, why would the coaching staff do that, is the coaching staff so the concept of

always having a chance to win every game so ingrained in these guys that to consider anything else would be weakness so that's a really good question because I have a feeling that's

why it didn't occur to me in the moment because I always think there's a chance now I remember I remember thinking against Tampa last year this is stupid 37 to 13. This game is long over. It's his first game. He's green as grass, and you got him out there running around taking shots calling plays in which he can take shots. Yeah, there's definitely a part of that that is responsible for continuing to sling it. And by the way, I would probably tell you that eight times out of 10, maybe nine out of 10, I would be like, no, there's still a chance. You got to go try to win the game and he's your guy.

But specific to Thursday night, that score was never, never reflective of how dominant Green Bay was. Even at 27 to 10, it wasn't reflective of how dominant they were. They were dominating the line of scrimmage. They were dominating both sides of the ball. They were dominating the sideline in terms of coaching. and the game was unwinnable at 27 to 10 on that night against that team in that place. So I think occasionally a coach who's hyper competitive and says, well, we still got a shot here down 17 with six minutes to go,

has to live to fight another day and protect his prize possession. You know, remember I came in here last year talking about the rib injury. I'm like, if he really does have broken ribs and they're running him like they are against the bears, against the giants, against, you know, some of those other teams, and they're calling those plays, that is negligence. Now, broken rib is a pain threshold thing. It's not the same as a knee. I understand that.

But I sat here, you know, with you saying there's no way, no way if this guy's legitimately injured with broken ribs that, they're calling zone reads and quarterback powers and quarterback counters. There's just no way. It's different, I think, than, you know, what happened the other night. But maybe they need to, you know, maybe they need to be less stupid in those situations. Yes. Yes. Okay.

So who's responsible for the unnecessary hits that this guy's taken? is it the quarterback himself who takes some necessary ricks or is it a coach the coaches that put him in position? It's both, but I think it's more on the quarterback. I mean, let's get into this, like, because this really is, there's a lot of, there's a lot of different situations where the quarterback can control the hits he takes and there are situations in which the coaching staff can help him avoid the hits. Let's start with the obvious from the other night, the conversation we're having right now. Like they could have pulled him from a game that was unwinnable and not subjected him to another seven, eight minutes, nine, ten, eleven plays of getting hit and being at risk.

That's an obvious one. you know, when you're talking about, you know, in the midst of a game, so in the pocket, there's not much you can do other than to invest in offensive linemen and protect him better, you know, or you can run the football to protect him to reduce that pass rush. But a lot of the, you know, injuries in the pocket, you know, they can happen to any quarterback. You know, somebody rolls into your leg, you know, your eyes are down the field, you're hanging in there, you're delivering at the last second. There's not a lot you can do other than if we want to say,

get better offensive linemen, protect better, and by the way, call a game in which the other team isn't teeing off, you know, because they know you're dropping back every single play, which was sort of the case on Thursday night. But specific to him as a runner, as a scrambler, I think there are plenty of times where he can make decisions. that will, you know, basically conclude in him not getting hit. And by the way, he makes those decisions a lot.

He's not, keeping with the theme, he's not stupid. He doesn't make the wrong decision all the time. But he's a competitor. I actually think he doesn't mind the contact at all. I think he embraces it. But as a scrambler, there's context. In the first quarter of a zero-zero game on first and ten, and you're scrambling,

is it worth it to try to get an extra two yards to make it second and eight instead of second and six? Second and six, you run out of bounds or slide. Or you take on a couple of tacklers for two yards. You've got to make the right decision there. Context matters. Fourth and five, down by seven in the fourth quarter, you've got to go get it. So I think he's got to be, as a scrambler, he's got to take context into every situation. he should know context, you know, score, time, et cetera, and make decisions that are prudent and protective.

You know, as a designed runner, so what are we talking about? We're talking about quarterback draws. Quarterback draws typically are in the middle of the field with a lot of space where he can slide. He doesn't do that all the time, you know. There are times in which he'll try to, you know, juke somebody in the open field and make a, you know, and bring on potential, you know, tacklers into the equation instead of taking less yardage and sliding.

The plays that I've been talking about for a year now that I don't like because I think they are the highest likelihood of him being tackled, you know, in the field of player, these quarterback counters, these quarterback powers, you know, what we've seen, you know, over the years from guys like Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, he doesn't have that frame. I understand the benefit of 11 on 11 football in the run game when your quarterback is the runner, and Kingsbury wants to take advantage of that.

And sometimes you've got six blockers against five, and you've got Jaden, who's a phenomenal runner. But that play consistently ends in a pile. I would put that on the coaches to not really run those, you know, unless you are desperate to have something on a fourth and one or a third and three or whatever. Then you talk about the option runs, the zone read. Those are plays where he can protect himself. He can, on a keeper where he pulls it and keeps the ball and runs, he can get to the sideline more times than not. If he turns it up field, he can slide.

So I think a lot of it, probably 65, 70% of it's on Jaden to make the right decisions, to consider what the situation is, to avoid unnecessary. contact with the other team. And I would say, you know, 30 to 35% is on the coaching staff. But they do have to do something about this. They have to get better. And he's not terrible at this. He will run out of bounds.

There are many times where he'll do that side step out of bounds rather than turning it up field. But he's got to be, you know, he's got to be smart all the time. and the coaching staff has to consider some of the stuff that we just talked about too. Because if he lives this way as a player, the way he's played the first 22 games, and they continue to coach it this way, you know, worst cases, he has a couple of serious injuries during his career. Best case is probably we're going to have one or two of these a year. You know, he's got an ankle.

He's got a rib. He's got a knee. He's got this because he's taking too many shots. And, you know, they may be, look, Lamar Jackson's missed a bunch of games. And he's got a bigger, stronger frame. They've got to consider a lot of this because in 22 games now, he's been hurt twice, but he was actually hurt in that second game of the year last year against the Giants when he took a big shot to the ribs.

and went out for a player or two. And he was on the injury report last week with a wrist injury, which apparently wasn't really anything. But yeah, I think it's on both of them, Tommy, more on Jaden than the coaching staff. But the bottom line is they've got to do something about it. They can't just say it's the way he plays. We're okay with it.

We understand the risks. He's going to take more shots than any quarterback in the league consistently. What if there is a conflict between Jay and the coaches on his running? Let's think back to the preseason game. For the few minutes he played, he wound up running for a 14-yard touchdown. You had to break tackles along the way. You know, he put himself at risk in a meaningless preseason game. And, you know, people ask him after the game because he didn't get on the field after that.

Right. and people asked the reporters, asked him after the game. If anyone said anything to him about not sliding, he answered, they took me out after that. So, you know, and Quinn tap danced around White Daniels didn't come back to play after that touchdown. So there could be a conflict between the coach and the quarterback. I guess there could be. I mean, I don't think it would be a conflict.

that would be, you know, ugly or majorly confrontational. It would be a young player who... I didn't say damaging. Yeah. It'd be a... I just said that he's not doing what they want him to do sometimes. Yeah, it would be a young player who's used to playing a certain way and, oh, by the way, won a Heisman trophy and then one rookie of the year.

And, you know, thinking about these things is a 23 or 24-year-old. and the longevity of, you know, the hopeful long career that he's, you know, in the early stages of, you know, young people don't think that way. Yeah, I mean, perhaps, perhaps. But again, there are things they can control. They could have taken them out of the game. That's true. They could run less of the designed, you know, runs that I've described that always end up in a pile. You know, they've run, the quarterback draw, I actually like the play with him.

And I think he has a chance to run that play and be successful in terms of not being hit. He's got to make better decisions than the coaches have to make better decisions. Or we're going to have this incredibly exciting, great player that's going to be year and year out at risk of being injured. whether it's hopefully not a serious one, but we'll have these incidents, you know, I can't predict how many times a year, but we'll have at least one a year, more likely than not if he continues to be the most hit quarterback in the league. He just doesn't, it was my number one concern, Tommy, coming out. I loved everything about Jaden Daniels, and I said over and over again, my only concern

is his frame. He got banged around at LSU in game. and, you know, he's not Cam Newton. He's not Josh Allen. And I know that people thought he looked bigger and stronger, and maybe he is. But, yeah, we'll see. We'll see what happens. Back to me asking you about sort of your reporter's instincts. I just sat here, you know, all weekend long, checking my phone.

You know, I'm sure you called some people I did to zero information, not seeing anything out there from any of the guys that would have had it. And I'm thinking, this probably is true, or it would have been shot down, meaning that he had an MRI on his knee, which means he's got some sort of knee injury. I was trying to figure out when it happened because we saw the rolled ankle. and I just thought, well, maybe it happened on that play, and it was his need too. And then, you know, for them to be so buttoned up and then for Quinn to be, you know, somewhat evasive yesterday, I guess there would be a competitive advantage on the Raiders needing to prepare for two quarterbacks during the course of the week, and maybe that's what they're doing here.

But I just think if he were fine that we'd know. that. I think you're right. And here's another thing to consider now. One of his safety valves, one of the weapons that they have had to kind of relieve the pressure off Jaden is no longer there. Austin Eccler's out for the season. Yeah. You know, so he doesn't have that many weapons that he could afford to lose any. No doubt. You know, I was on Ben's podcast. I was on Ben's podcast last night, and he asked me the question about the four guys that are injured, two of them are out for the year, not counting Jaden. So wise, Echler, Bates, and Noah Brown, and essentially said, you know, who's going to be missed the most? It's a really difficult question to answer.

I think it's Echler. And I know that some of you who watched the Green Bay game said, he can't run it. I'd rather have seen, you know, Merritt, you know, Bill, there, me too, as a runner, but Echler is very valuable. We also knew going into the season that he was one more concussion away from being done altogether. But he's a valuable player. And Quinn really discussed the hurt of not having Echler and WISE. But I think they're really going to miss him. There's not an obvious replacement for Echler on the team, but then again, there's not an obvious replacement for WISE or for Bates in particular. And then Noah Brombrose, and then Noah Bray's they are so limited at wide receiver right now, and Terry hasn't played well in these first two games,

and maybe he's just getting back into shape and not practicing perhaps did impact this start to the season for him. But that's a hard question to answer. I brought it up because you talked about Echler, and I think they're going to miss Echler a lot. I think they missed Echler a lot last year when he was out. But it didn't stop them from winning games and stop. them from, you know, being dynamic and really effective offensively. But, yeah, I mean, that's a tough question to answer, you know? Because this team doesn't have, like, obvious replacements.

Not every team has obvious replacements for every player, you know, but this team really is feeling right now, and we didn't feel it last year because they didn't have the injuries that so far they've had here in the first two weeks. but they're not a team with great depth, and that comes from not drafting well for a long period of time. Yeah. Yeah, that comes from, I mean, it takes here. Like I pointed out in my column,

the Packers have methodically built a roster over years and years of development. They've had five losing seasons in the past 30 years. So when you can take your time to build like that, like the Ravens do, you know you have depth i mean the commanders adam peters was digging himself out of a grave that's why you saw so many veterans

particularly with the idea that they actually had something special with jane daniels uh but uh yeah it's going to take time for them to build up the depth that that they that they need you know it's interesting is that with that said Antonio gibson had a kickoff return for touch touchdown. Cameron Curl, I think, had two sacks in an interception, or maybe it was one interception in a sacks, something like that. You know, Benjamin St. Juist is a starter with the Chargers.

Diami Brown had a touchdown. Now, they left via free agency. I'm just pointing out draft picks, you know, from recent years. Jahan Dotson's playing better in Philadelphia. Brian Robinson, Jr. obviously got traded. Yeah, it's Emmanuel Forbes is playing. a bunch with the Rams. You know, sometimes it's just a fit. And, you know, the last group before this regime was, it was rough there at the end. That's for sure. Speaking of your column, people read Tommy's column from this week.

He's got some beauties in this one. Let me read a couple of them. I'll read from the first paragraph. The Washington Senior Citizen Group arrived in Green Bay for their weekly outing. Maybe take in a museum, lunch at Olive Garden, and a visit to Lambeau Field to pick up some cheesehead souvenirs and get a little exercise with their young hosts. They left Green Bay like they had been cleaned out by an Atlantic City casino and then rolled while waiting to get on the bus to home. Yeah, that all felt true. According to AARP, rest and recovery are critical to maintain cognitive function,

manage health conditions, and support physical well-being. Even the commander's Fountain of Youth, second year quarterback, Jaden Daniels, seemed befuddled. It just keeps going. Your theme was a good one. It was a funny one. And hopefully nobody's taking it literally. Yeah, I mean, look, I know there's not a big difference in age group. I'm not suggesting that this is the over-the-hill gang.

I just felt like when your team takes an ass kick and they took an ass kick. No doubt. You know? why not have a few laughs. That's all it was. I wasn't trying to say, this is going to be a problem moving forward. I was going to say,

they looked slow and confused, which is being an old person, our M.O. The score, exactly. The score doesn't reflect how the Packers dominated the game. I think the commanders got a senior discount. So two games into the season, I'm wondering what we both think about our preseason predictions at this point, which was they're going to the Super Bowl. Have we recalibrated our preseason predictions?

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It's a hunch. It's not based on anything other than what I said, which is it's just odd the way it was quiet and then the way Quinn was kind of evasive. I don't think it's serious, but I think that, you know, he's got a knee sprain and that he's not going to be 100% and they'll hold him out of the game. That's what I think will happen. And they should feel comfortable if he's healthy with their backup quarterback, Marcus Mariotta. Yes.

He played well last year when he was forced to play. Yeah. You know, big game, though, like I said, rather important game because you lose to the Raiders who lost last night on Monday night football the late game and now have to come east for a one o'clock kick on short rest. The odds are working against them, yes. Working against the Raiders, yes. I mean, this is the best net rest advantage day Washington has all year.

They played on Thursday night. The Raiders played on Monday night. And then you add to it, you know, one o'clock East Coast kickoff. So, Tommy, you and I, just a few weeks ago, we both predicted big things in 2020. We both predicted 11 and 6. We both predicted Washington to Super Bowl 60 in Santa Clara. You had them losing to the Ravens. I had them losing to the Chiefs.

Nothing says NFL is week to week more than this conversation. And the conversation that many are having around the league, like is Washington done? They can't protect. I saw that they dropped in the power ranking. from five or six last week to 11 or 12 and most of them this week. One power ranking said Washington's 12th, clear that Jaden Daniels is on his way to a C.J. Stroud's sophomore season. So do you want to change your preseason prediction or maybe, you know, better asked,

how are you feeling about that preseason prediction right now two weeks into the season? Oh, I am so off that preseason prediction. You can take that and you can bury it. Really? I'm off that. Okay. Well, considering the fact I had them traveling to Green Bay in the NFP title game to beat the Packers, no, I'm off that.

Yeah. I'm not off their win total. I still think they can win 11 games. Yeah. But in the playoffs, you know, right now I'd say it's a little bit dicey once they get to the playoffs. I still think they'll get there. But the Creek Bay just, it looked like men among boys. Yeah, so I'm not backing off the prediction.

It's crazy to back off any predictions in week two, unless, you know, the star quarter. quarterback is out for the year. Like in Cincinnati, Joe Burrow might be out for the year. Certainly three months is close to a full season, and that's devastating for a team that finally got off to a good start, and they were two and oh. Here's my feeling after two weeks, though. The NFC, and we talked about this during the offseason, and it didn't deter me from picking Washington to represent the NFC in Super Bowl 60. But what we, you know, what is possible after two weeks, and it's not, you know, week one, head fake, week two, still a bit of a head fake sometimes. But I don't think that Thursday night, the opponent at Lambo, the home team, was a head fake.

I think they have the chance if they stay healthy to be really good. What they did to Detroit and then what they did to Washington in the first two weeks of the season. And then what Detroit did on Sunday to Chicago speaks to the idea that Green Bay may be really, really good, if not great, on defense. And then Jordan Love is outstanding. I had Steve Suter on the show yesterday. If you guys didn't listen to Steve Suter's film breakdown of the game on Thursday night, Look, Cooley is the film breakdown guy. Steve Souter was so good.

I've already heard from so many of you how much you enjoyed it and how much you want Steve to continue to do it. I'm going to try to get him to continue to do it. But he said one of his big takeaways from watching the All-22 is that Jordan Love is an elite quarterback. I don't know if he's at that level of Lamar and Burrow and Josh Allen and Mahomes and Jaden, but he is really good.

He can really throw the football. And Steve's point was every single mistake that Washington made in coverage, he was immediately all over it and took advantage of it. So in the NFC, you've got the Packers who might be great. You've got the Eagles who we know are really, really good. Tampa Bay Healthy is a really good. really good football team. And wow, what a turnaround career-wise for Baker Mayfield

here the last couple of years. He's now a legitimate MVP candidate. I think the Falcons are underrated. The Rams, if Stafford stays upright and healthy. The Falcons, whose commanders playing two weeks. Yeah, I know. They play the Falcons and then the Chargers on the road. The Rams are really good.

The 49ers can be really good. if everybody's healthy. I mean, I didn't even mention Detroit, who still is super explosive offensively, even without Ben Johnson. It's loaded. The NFC is loaded. In the AFC, you've got Buffalo and Baltimore,

and I still wouldn't give up on Kansas City. Do I want to put the chargers into that conversation right now? I don't. Not yet. I really don't. Not yet. But in the NFC, Philly, Green Bay, Detroit, Tampa, the Rams.

And then I think most people would then say, yeah, Washington, you know, is in that conversation after that with, you know, I don't know, Tampa or with Atlanta or the 49ers or whatever. It's loaded. It's loaded. Now, this team proved it can go on the road and win playoff games. It won two of them last year. So just get into the postseason. And I think with Jaden, anything can happen. But I think my big concern on my big prediction is that I did think that the NFC was loaded,

but I don't think I was considering Green Bay to be on the level of Philadelphia. And they might be. They might be better. Yes. Yes, it was one week, or it's two weeks. We know how things change and change dramatically. I mean, look at Russell Wilson in week one against our team, and then look at him on Sunday in Dallas.

It's a crazy league. With that said, and I've already said this once on the show, but Sunday's big, you know, whether it's with Marcus Marietta or it's with a healthy Jaden Daniels. You got road games at Atlanta and in L.A. against the Chargers after that. Neither one of those two games, you know, is, you know, chalk it up as a W. I mean, those are going to be tough football games. So you don't want to be one and two going into.

that two-game road stretch where, you know, at that point, you have to win one of them. God forbid you lose both of them and are sitting there at one and five. Get this one Sunday. Somehow, some way, this is a big game. I think the Raiders, by the way, are good on defense. They have a really good defensive front. They have stopped the run cold in their first two games, including last night. Max Crosby. I mean, we had Abdul Carter and Dexter Lawrence in week one, Parsons and Gary and company in week two, and now it's Max Crosby in week three. They have really... Yeah.

That's something we didn't talk about, was their right tackle issue. I mentioned it on the podcast yesterday. I think that they are considering, I don't know this for sure, but I would be surprised if they're not considering Andrew Wiley at right tackle and sitting Josh Connerly, Jr. and letting him... That's not good in some ways. He started your rookie number one pick out there

and you're benching them already. You know what? That's not a good sign. It's a big boy league. You know, a lot of these guys don't start right from the beginning and they have time to sit back. But they don't get pulled after two games.

Well, you know what? If this were a developmental season, I wouldn't pull them. But this is a win big season. And you can't have your right tackle, you know, all laying every defensive end right to your quarterback. I know.

Yeah. I know. And then you're not going to have your best blocking tight end available. Right. Sunday, right? Yeah. And which, you know, I'm going to be really interested to see Ben Sinit on Sunday because he got three snaps after Bates left after nine snaps.

Now, it could be that Senate just wasn't a part of the game plan. And because it was a short week, didn't get enough reps, and they were concerned. But now with a full week, no bates, Senate, I'm assuming Senate's going to play a lot Sunday. The only other tight end they've got on the roster is the guy Yankoff who played some quarterback in college at one point. Senate needs to be in there in 12 personnel as much as, you know, any other personnel grouping. He's got to be, I mean, the conference.

confidence level in Senate will be told Sunday, you know, by how much he plays and, you know, the plays that he's in on. We'll get a really good read of what they think of their second round pick, one of their second round picks from 2024 on Sunday without Bates in the lineup. You know, at running back, you know, we got a bit of a read on Thursday night that Kroski Merritt isn't the guy that they feel comfortable with if they're going to throw the football. By the way, not unusual with a young running back in terms of pass pro. Jeremy McNichols is going to play a lot. McNichols is considered a good pass protected. Yeah, I think they like McNichols a lot, period. My question is, will Rodriguez get some opportunities Sunday?

Again, tough run defense, it looks like through two weeks. They should have run the ball more. Quinn said that during the press conference yesterday. It was a David Aldridge question. And in the midst of the question, he said, you know, I think we got away from the run and it would have been better to be a little bit more, you know, balanced. So, yeah, which by the way, let me read that quote specifically because it was a bit of a, you know, shot at the play calling, I think. That's the play calling? Yeah.

Hold on. Here it is. So David Aldridge asked him about what he saw with the offensive line during the game. Quinn said, yeah, I really felt like it was almost like a repeat from Detroit, meaning the way the lions struggled to protect against Green Bay. They got out ahead, and I didn't like how we started really on either side of the ball. I think you've got to go back and look. It was either two punts or three punts on our first two or three possessions.

They drove down some, so I didn't love the way that we started. As bad as it felt as we got into the start of the fourth quarter, you're down a touchdown. Okay, we're staying in the fight as bad as it felt. We didn't hit on a field goal at the end of the half. We missed on a good return coming out of the second half, so I thought our complementary football back and forth wasn't right. And then when it got to two scores, then you're back throwing it all trying to catch up again. So I thought, can we stay in this fight?

here's our time to go take our shot. They went down and scored, and that's where I thought the game changed, where we had one shot to go fight for it. And then he said, and this was not in addition to, he said, didn't love our balance, honestly, to go that many runs and passes at the half. There wasn't a lot of plays, so it looks like at the end of the game way higher in the passing, which is not what you want to do against a team that's rushing and going like they were, but I just didn't love

on both sides the way we started. So he says, didn't love our balance on us. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and that's something that they control. Yeah, and I have to tell you, the idea that there weren't enough opportunities in the first half, they had five drives in the first half.

You know, that's, they had five opportunities with the football in the first half. They wasn't, you know, they didn't do enough with it. They had two straight three and They had a six-play punt drive, then a nine-play field goal, and then a six-play at the end of the half, where they got super conservative and didn't really go for it at the end of the first half and missed that long-field goal. But they had five, you know, possessions.

So, yeah, it was out of whack. 48 called pass plays and 12 runs by running backs. So four-to-one uncalled pass plays over handoffs or, you know, opportunities for the running backs to run the football. I felt Friday, Tommy, and all weekend, that Kroski Merritt should have got more of an opportunity. It may not have worked, understood, but they didn't really try it at all. Sunday's going to be interesting. Sunday's big. Week three, can't go one and two here with what's coming up.

I mean, you can, and you can overcome it. People do it all the time. It's only week three. Season's not going to be over, but it feels like, you know, this is one they got to get, and they may have to do it without. But you're right. Jaden. They've got to go on the road against two teams that we think are probably better in a team they're facing at home Sunday.

So you need that comfort level win to go on the road for those two games. After Sunday, four of the next five are on the road. Four of the next five. At Atlanta, at Chargers, then Bears at home, then at Dallas, and then at Arrowhead, Monday night. So, yeah, Sunday feels important. It does. All right.

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Bacon and cheddar cheese served on a butter toasted bun with lettuce, tomato, and fries. The Blumen Burger. Do you like blooming onions? Yeah, I like blooming onions. Sure. Really? Yeah. I don't, but I don't like anything.

You don't like much, but you like onion rings, don't you? No, I don't. Oh, okay. I don't like onion drinks. I'm a potatoes guy. But they also have, though, the turkey, avocado, and bacon wrap. Roasted turkey, cheddar, avocado with bacon, with cheddar, with lettuce, tomato, and onions, and a flour tortilla.

You like avocado? Yeah, I like avocado. See, I don't like avocado eat. Okay. Okay. But you know what I'm going to get? Are there any vegato? Are there any vegetables or fruits you like?

Well, I like bananas. I eat a banana every day. Okay. What else? That's pretty much it. You don't have a... Do you eat any vegetables? Any greens?

No. Seriously? Oh my God. How are you still alive? We say this about my middle son, Corbyn, who the next time eats a fruit or a vegetable will be the first time. He's got the same thing you got. My other two boys will eat anything. You don't like...

What about fruits other than bananas? You don't like an orange, an apple? I like an apple, but I don't eat them that much. Okay. What about blueberries? What about raspberries? What about strawberries? What about strawberries?

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This from Kenneth, Kenneth writes, stop all of your bitching. It's all about because the team that you hate the most runs it. hashtag tush push. That's from Kenneth. I had a lot of those. A lot of people were not happy with my tush push take. But trust me, I'm not changing my mind. And even more so, I would bet big money that this thing is not allowed next year.

It is, go ahead. I think the game, the game again, the Chiefs, I think, sealed the deal with the video evidence for the world to see that half their linemen are, you know, they're off-site. They're not even lined up with the ball. Yeah. I mean, people saw that for the first time, I think, maybe. Oh, it's not the first time. We've known that for a while. I know, but this was really apparent. I mean, this was very apparent. I think that was the death,

now for it. I think you're right. You're not going to see this next year. But some people would say, well, then just enforce the rules and flag them for it. That's not enough. It's not enough. This play, you know, one thing I didn't point out yesterday is that this was illegal until six or seven years ago. You were not able to push or pull a ball carrier on any given play at any point on the field. Now, they didn't always enforce the rule, but it was a rule, and then they made it not a rule. Like most of our football watching lives,

this play would have been flagged because it would have been illegal. It's more of a recent phenomena that it's been legal, and it's a terrible manifestation of the rule and the relaxed rule of being able to push ball carriers. It's not football. It is horrendous to watch. And it really, to have six plays from your marquee game on Sunday, be that kind of a play, it's not, there's just not, it's too predictable.

We live for football because it's so unpredictable. Every game, every snap, you don't know what the outcome's going to be. That outcome is predetermined. Six plays during a game. you know what the outcome's going to be. It's just not something that they're going to put up with anymore. This is a TV show, people, football is, more than anything else. And Sunday was a bad TV show.

Now, it doesn't mean less people watched because it's football. But, you know, you do that over and over again for a long period of time. You're going to turn people away from the game. I think it's gone. I think it should be gone. And I don't think the answer is just enforce the rules and flag them for it. You know, because they're false starting. They're offside.

So is the other team. The other team lines up in the neutral zone. It's a terrible play. They're kicking themselves right now for letting Jason Kelsey come into the room and convince, you know, nine or 10 owners or whatever it was to vote no. They needed two more votes for this thing. And I guarantee you the league right now is like, GD, we should have gotten these two extra votes to get this thing out of here.

It has nothing, Kenneth, to do with the Eagles for me. Nothing. This will be it this year. That'll be it. Speaking of things that are going to have to get fixed, NFL-wise, Tom Brady was in the booth last night with a headset on in the Raiders coaching booth. He is an owner of the Las Vegas Raiders. Now, if you've followed this story with Brady, until this summer, Brady was excluded from everything as a broadcaster. He wasn't allowed to attend practices.

He wasn't allowed to be in production meetings with coaches, assistant coaches, coordinators and players, key players. You and I have talked about this many times over the years. The broadcast team for Fox, CBS, ESPN, NBC, Amazon, all these different, you know, NFL partners, they get sit downs. They get to attend practices, and then they get sit downs with the head coach, with the defensive coordinator, the offensive coordinator,

the quarterback, and maybe a couple of other select people. And over the years, they get more information than reporters do from a press conference with the coaches. They just feel safe with these guys. They feel like they're not going to, you know, blurt something out and break news with it. But it's going to be context for them when they're calling the game. And if you listen carefully to the broadcast guys that do your team's games, you'll learn something that they learned from these meetings. Well, until this summer, Brady was out of everything.

He could just show up and call the game. Well, they relaxed the rules on these coaching meetings and player meetings and allowed for him to participate in the production meetings virtually by Zoom. He still couldn't attend practices. but here's the problem. The problem is now that he's talking to coaches and players and coordinators and, you know, perhaps getting insight on where the team is, what the team's thinking with respect to certain players and a plan

and how they're going about attacking a defense or whatever it is, that now you know for sure he's involved with the Raiders. Peter Schrager reported last night from ESPN that he talks to Chip Kelly multiple times per week. Kelly is the offensive coordinator for Las Vegas. He talks to Pete Carroll. He's involved with the Raiders. By the way, as he should be, if you've got Tom Brady's ownership.

He cannot be allowed to be a participant in these coach calls, in these production meetings. I'm not even accusing him of bringing it right back to Chip Kelly and to Pete Carroll and to the Raiders organization. He called Washington Giants Week 1 with Kevin Burkart. Washington plays the Raiders this week. He calls on Sunday Cowboys Bears. The Raiders play the Bears the Bears the following week. It's a perception thing. It's an optics thing.

It lit up the Internet last night, and the NFL should unrelax the rule about him being able to talk to coaches and players and coordinators, which is the change to what they had last year. that they made during the summer. What do you think? I agree with you. I agree with you 100%.

Look, I don't think I don't think he's going anywhere. He's not leaving the booth. Fox has paid him $38 million a year. I know. To be a broadcaster. Yeah, 37 and a half. And he seems to have gotten better at it.

I think he is good. Yeah. Yeah. He seems to have gotten better at it. I'm not sure he's, worth. That's a concept I don't quite understand. I'm not sure he's worth that amount of money because I don't think people tune in or tune out based on announcers, particularly on their, you know, for the big NFL games. But I agree that he should not be allowed to be part of

those meetings, even if it's by Zoom, even. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. They've got to, that's what it is now, Zoom. They, He wasn't allowed to do that last year, but they said he could do that this year. He can't do that anymore. He can show up and call the games. That's fine. You know, but yeah. And by the way, if he's less prepared than most analysts because he doesn't get that opportunity,

most viewers won't pick up on that. You know, 90% of the people watching these games aren't going to pick up on the fact that, you know, Greg Olson talked to coaches and players and coordinators, and he's interjected. some of that into his broadcast, and Brady isn't. Most people don't pick up on that. And by the way, to your question of what he's worth, I remember, I'm pretty sure I asked John Oran that, and John Oran said, look, most NFL watchers are casual NFL fans, and Tom Brady means a lot to casual fans.

Okay. And female fans in particular. So I don't know how the ROI works on 37 and a half million dollars a year as the lead analyst, but they must think they're getting their money's worth. But Brady cannot be a part of these coaches and player meetings. It's just it's terrible, terrible optics. All right, we're going to finish up this show talking about the passing of Robert Redford. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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away today. I didn't know, first of all, that he was sick. Did you? No, I didn't, but, you know, let's face it. Talk about Jane Daniels being day to day. When you're 89, you're day to day. I get it. But I think the last time I saw him, he looked older, but I didn't know that he was ill. But anyway, look, this is in your wheelhouse, and I'll let you take it away. But let me just say this. The first time, I knew who Robert Redford was, it was when my mother was talking about Robert Redford when I was just a kid and how handsome he was. And I remember thinking, because I was a young kid, I don't want my mother to think that anybody but my father is handsome. You know, like it's, it's that protective thing with kids. But that's when I remember Robert Redford, you know, those years of the sting and the way we were and, you know, all.

all the president's men and how he was, you know, a heartthrob in terms of Hollywood actors. So tell me about Robert Redford beyond that. Well, this is how good of an actor Robert Redford was. He got people to forget how handsome he was. Yeah. You know, in other words, people started looking past the good looks and paid attention to the talent. and he was he was good

look he was good looking probably up until the day he died he was a good looking older man you know I saw him in movies recently and he was a terrific actor everyone knows him

you know from his friendship with Paul Newman he made two movies with Paul Newman I'm surprised they never made more than that I think people were disappointed they would have liked to have seen it to

in more movies but he was a great actor he created the Sundance Film Festival out there in Colorado and he was a decent guy

you know he was a good decent man who wanted to make his presence on the earth a better place for everybody you know

and that's all you can ask when you're leaving is was the human race better for your existence. I think with Robert Redford, you could say yes. Yeah, the Sundance Festival was in Park City, Utah. I thought that's where it was. Yeah. All right. So tell me, like, do you have a list of your all-time favorite Redford movies?

Yeah, I put together a list. Now, I took off the movies where he was a co-star, like the Sting. Oh. Bush Cassidy. All the president's men. But he was a co-star with Robert Redford. I mean, that, you know, and I just limited it to Robert Redford vehicles. I'm sorry?

I just limited it to Robert Redford vehicles. Okay. Not where he was part of a, like a co-star. My first one is the natural. You know, that's my favorite. That's my favorite baseball movie. probably, just barely over fielded dreams. Yeah.

My second one is Jeremiah Johnson. Have you ever seen Jeremiah Johnson? I don't think so. Oh, you should watch it. It's about a mountain. That's probably one of his early movies, right? Yeah, it was in the early 70s. Okay.

Really terrific film. I know you would love it, Jeremiah Johnson. Okay. The third one is another, kind of an obscure movie. That's one of my favorite comedies. It's called Hot Rock, the Hot Rock. It's about the theft of a jewel with him and George Siegel. It was, again, early 70s, a very funny film.

That's my third favorite. My fourth is The Candidate. Again, early 70s film, he made a movie about running. you know, he was a candidate for governor of California, one of the great political films ever made. Peter Boyle is in it as well, but Robert Redford's great in it. And then my fifth one is Brewbaker. Oh, yeah, I remember Brewbaker.

Yes. That's not an early 70s, right? That's probably a late 70s early 80s. Yeah. Yeah. He plays the head of a prison who tries to reform the prison based on a true story. that's my fifth favorite movie would be Brubaker

I think the movies with Redford that I have seen over and over and over again and whenever they're on it's like you know it's like you know a lot of other movies you know Shawshank a few good men you know there are certain movies

when they're on you just all the president's men for sure the sting and of course Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid which is a phenomenal movie. Whenever they're on, I don't, it's hard for me to turn those movies off. The natural is great. I love the natural. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking through his, you know, filmography here. Yeah, some of the movies that I know he's well known for, including some of the movies that you mentioned, you know, they were out before my movie watching time for sure, although

so was Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. What do you think, what would most people taking into consideration his co-star movies, what would be number one for most? Would it be Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? I think it would. And actually, that's one of my least favorite. Really? I mean, I would put the sting.

Yeah. I mean, it just didn't do that much for me. Maybe it's when I saw it. I just don't remember. I think it's a good movie. I enjoyed it. Yeah. But not like I enjoy the sting.

The sting is so good. You know? And Robert, Robert Shaw, who was, you know, famously Quint in Jaws. Yeah. Was so good in that movie, as was Newman. Newman and Redford were phenomenal in that movie. Love that movie.

And then all the President's men, I would put ahead of Pitch Cassidy, too. Yeah. Robert, Redford, and Dustin Hoffman and all the President's men. such a great movie and you know given the time um i don't remember how it was viewed by let's say people on the right obviously the country was not nearly as divided in 1975 or 76 when that movie came out um i don't know i mean every everybody kind of considered nixon's resignation to be a appropriate, right? In 1974? This is how different

the country was. Republican senators went to the White House asking Nixon to reticons. Yeah, exactly. So that's how different things were. But this movie wasn't viewed or wasn't divisive left and right, was it? No. No, it wasn't. No. I mean, it's such a great movie and it's so yeah. I mean, Watergate's one of those things

you know, when we were talking about teachers last week, remember those conversations? Well, one of my favorite teachers was a history teacher, and she was, you know, she was like one of the guys. She was good friends with all of us, and we did a whole, like, month on Watergate, and I just remember it being fascinating and knowing, you know, all of the characters, you know, during that entire thing. In your hometown. Well, yeah. You know, that probably made it more interesting for you. The Watergate building across from, you know, Howard Johnson's and all of that history right there. We've had a lot of history happen in this town, Tommy.

A lot of it. All right. Anything else on Redford? Sad. But lived an incredible life. He had an incredible life. As a director, too. The Robert Redford life.

Yes. Absolutely. I don't know if he won the Oscar for ordinary people. Oh, that movie is phenomenal. Mary Tyler Moore, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and Donald Sutherland.

Right. And, yeah, who played The Son, who was obviously... Timothy Hutton. Timothy Hutton. Yep. Yeah. God, that movie is a great movie. Also, kind of dark, you know?

Like... That's the kind of movie that you say, wow, ordinary people's on. I'm going to watch it. Yeah, you know, one of the... Correct me if I'm wrong, but that was... Mary Tyler Moore, when Mary Tyler Moore was one of the most beloved, you know, Hollywood stars, I mean, for years, playing a role in which it was not a likable role as the mother of that son. He was an ice queen in that movie.

Yeah. And I mean, I'm assuming that she probably played roles like that after it, but was that the first sort of. role that she played as a figure that was not likable by the audience? I don't remember any others like that. She was once in a movie where she played a nun in an Elvis Presley movie called Change of Habit. So I don't remember if she ever played a role as contrary to her persona as ordinary people was. Did you watch

the documentary on her being, it was like, I think it was being Mary or being Mary Tyler Moore or something like that. It was on HBO, I'm pretty sure. Like two years ago, three years ago. I think I did. Yeah. She was definitely an interesting

figure because she really broke a lot of barriers, you know? Yes. And for women in Hollywood in leading roles and playing a divorcee in the Mary Tyler Moore show and playing a feisty, back-talking, you know, wife in the Dick Van Dyke show at times.

And there was a lot of stuff that was controversial with her that is kind of laughable now, but not back then. Yeah. Yeah. She was an important figure in television, that's for sure. All right. What else? Anything?

I got nothing else for you today, Bob. We probably won't know when you're on on Thursday if Jaden will be the starter on Sunday, but you're still going to have to make a pick. You might have to go if he plays, this is the final, if he doesn't. Here's my prediction. Well, I mean, we probably won't know. But Quinn is going to talk tomorrow some more. He said we'll know more Wednesday.

Yeah. I bet there's not a lot we learn from him tomorrow, but I would think that by Friday, they'll probably have an idea as to who's starting on Sunday. Probably. All right. Good show, good effort today. Appreciate it.

I will talk to you on Thursday. See you, boss. I'm sending you down, Bob. Class B ball. Tomorrow morning, you go to the Great Lakes Association. Can you make the rules? That's right. That's right.

He'd been playing by him. All these other guys play by him. Don't you remember signing a contract? I remember signing a contract to play ball. Not to be put to sleep by some two-bit carnie hypnotist. I won't do that. You're going down. It took me a long time to get here, Pop.

I won't do it. I can't.