The Kevin Sheehan Show - Re-Capping Harris

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

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Window Nation, 86690 Nation for Window Nation.com. So Tommy, today something came across my Twitter slash X timeline that I ended up using to create a call segment on the radio show. And many of you probably, you know, see this pop up every once in a while. And this one was a video montage of Daryl Green playing for the Redskins. And the question posed was, dad, how good was Daryl Green in his prime with the Redskins, question mark?

And so I did this segment on radio today where I asked callers, you know, What is your favorite, you know, who is your favorite athlete in the past that you get asked about, that you love sort of telling somebody that doesn't know about that player? Give me the player that you enjoy most talking about. God damn it. I'm really frustrated right now. What's the matter? I don't know.

I'm just, I'm really tired. Just so sick of talking about sports. I really am. I really don't. I'm not enjoying... I like the football season. I might eventually just do a show during football season. Here we go.

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But if you want 50% off your entire purchase of new windows, make sure you reach out to Windonation by the end of business today. 86690 Nation or go to Windonation.com. So Tommy, something this morning sort of came across my social media. timeline that I then turned into a radio call-in segment on today's show. And it was one of those things where you get a montage of highlights from a player. In this particular case, it was Daryl Green, number 28, Redskins Corner. And the question posed,

Dad, how good was Daryl Green in his prime with the Redskins? And so I asked callers to kind of fill in the blank of their favorite athlete that they love to talk about when asked, you know, Dad, tell me how good fill in the blank was in his or her prime. And there was a name that immediately came to mind for me because I have three boys and they will ask me, you know, about various, you know, players from, you know, before they were born. and for me to tell them how great that player was. And I enjoy doing that.

I enjoy sharing my, you know, memories of certain players with my boys. And that happens sometimes on the radio show or just out, you know, with, you know, especially people who are younger or people who just didn't have a chance for whatever reason to watch, you know, said player. Do you have one that comes to mind that you love, hey, Tommy or hey dad, Or hey, big fella, tell me how good this guy was in his prime. Do you have one that comes to mind immediately? I do. I have one who basically fix this description. In fact, it's the only way to truly understand his greatness

is to hear from people who witnessed it, and that's Joe Namath. Ooh. I was wondering who you were going to say. because Joe Namath on paper is not the player that Joe Namath we saw. Right. You know, Joe Namath on paper, basically he had 173 touchdowns, career, 205, 220 interceptions. He had a passer rating of 65, completion rate of 50%. Those are terrible numbers, just terrible.

I know. Yeah. I know, but anyone who saw him, including Sonny Jurgensen, by the way, anyone who saw him play, would say he's one of the greatest passers they've ever seen in the history of football. I mean, he had four knee operations throughout his career that really hampered him. He came out of college with the issues out of Alabama. But he was magnificent. He threw the ball.

like nobody else at that time threw the ball. I mean, in 1967, he threw for 4,07 yards in a 14-game season. Yeah, before anybody was throwing for 4,000, right. No one threw for 4,000 yards until Dan Fouts in 1979. Yeah. And that was a 16-game season. 12 years later. That's 13 years.

Wow. Yeah. That's just amazing. You know, and his aura, I mean, this is the time of when he came in to, you know, the whole 60s revolution era. And he was non-political. And he was just like a rebellious character, not like he was political at all. But he really fit the era. He was doing commercials for panty hose.

He was wearing the white shoes before Billy John. or anyone else wore the white shoes. He owned a bar that he had to sell. Because the gambling. Yeah, because the mob hung out there. Right. So, yeah, I mean, he was just an amazing character, but he was ultimately first and foremost,

one of the great quarterbacks we've ever seen for the period that he could play. The year that he threw for 4,07 yards, 1967. His completion percentage was 52.5% and he threw 28 interceptions and only 26 touchdowns. But that is such a good one because, first of all, like, I grew up hearing my father talk about Wilk and Joe Namath as much as anybody. Like I've told you before, my father was a big ABA and AFL guy. Now I know Wilt wasn't in the ABA. but he was just a massive wilt guy,

but he loved Namath. And just, you know, he would always say, Sunny and Namath, they're the two greatest throwers of the football of all time. And, you know, Rigo,

who, you know, got drafted by the Jets in 1971, his stories of Namath, he's like, you just don't understand. Like, he was a true star beyond sports. Like,

just to be in, his orbit was amazing. And this was John Riggins were talking about. Now, Rigo, even with the Mohawk with the Jets, wasn't what, you know, he would turn out to be in Washington. But Rigo was a pretty big, you know, name and big star himself. But he just said, and Namath, I remember when I did this show with Riggins, Namath came on with us once by phone and once at a Super Bowl, I'm pretty sure. And, man, Namath loved Riggins, you know, loved him.

Oh, I could see why, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, that's a good one. And that's a good one from the perspective you described, which is if somebody who didn't see him play just pulled up his pro football reference, you know, resume numbers-wise, you'd be like, really? Yeah, he threw.

This is an embarrassment, you'd say. How did this guy wind up in the Hall of Fame? He threw 47 more interceptions than touchdowns. he may be among the biggest stars in the hall period it's true i mean i'm not talking about greatest football players no he was a he was one of the great football players of his time but he went beyond that he went beyond that he had a tv show for a couple years where he would like it was like a lounge and there'd be guys and girls in there there'd be a little bar and he'd have guests on

and they'd play a little pool or something like that. It was so cool for its time. It was Joe named with playing pool with maybe Jim Brown or or Joe Fraser or guests like that. It was pretty cool. He was

the capital scene cool. So if he doesn't win Super Bowl 3 after predicting going into the game, the Jets will win. They were the biggest underdogs in Super Bowl history, 18-point underdogs against the Colts in Super Bowl 3. If he didn't win that game, if the Jets don't win that game, do we think of

name it the same way? I don't think so. No, that was such a dramatic victory, a victory that's grown in stature because the Jets were 18.17-point underdogs to the Colts. The NFL had crushed the AFL in the two previous Super Bowls, and Namath was so brazen in his prediction about that they would win the game. And, you know,

this shows how, this shows the impact of Joe Namath. Matt Snell rushed for 121 yards in that game. He should have been the MVP. Namath didn't even throw a touchdown in that game. Yeah, but I'm looking at the box score. It was one of his better games.

He threw for, not yardage-wise, because that was the thing about him. He had some big yardage games. You can speak to this more than I can, but what he really did exceptionally well is he threw the deep ball so well. And they were, he was a home run hitter, right? Yes. You know, there was a game in 72 between Namath and Johnny United, Johnny United at the end of his career, where the Jets won over to Colts. and they combined for over 900 yards passing.

You've told me about that game before. And I remember watching it. In the Super Bowl, he was... He was over 500, and I think United is over 400. In the Super Bowl, he was 17 of 28 for 206 yards. I mean, 60%... I'm sorry? Yes.

He was very efficient. Yes. And for him. He didn't make any mistake in the Super Bowl. But Matt Snell. probably should have been the MVP, but Namath was. Yeah. I'm looking for that 72 game here against the Colts. Here it is. Oh, my God.

Week two of the 1972 season, in Baltimore, the Jets beat the Colts 44 to 34. In this game, Namath was 15 of 28, people. He only completed 15 passes for 400. 196 yards and six touchdowns. Oh, on 15 completions. And then Unitas was 26 of 45 for 376 and two touchdowns. Wow. That is a shootout.

Yes. Yeah. Let's see what Riggins did in that game. Mine would be named it. So who's with yours be? I'll get to it in a moment. In that game, Riggins, 21 carries. 87 yards, but, and I've seen this NFL film's highlight before, Rigo caught a screen

pass and ran 67 yards for a touchdown. I've seen that. Yeah. Seen that a lot. You know, in kind of the dusty Memorial Stadium, you know, with the Orioles in field still on the, you know, on the actual football field in September because this was a week two game. Yeah. So, you know, 71, 72 are kind of the first seasons I remember.

And in 72, I'm going to tell you that, because I've got his 72, you know, game log up. They played Washington. That was the year that Washington represented the NFC in the Super Bowl and Super Bowl 7. They played Washington at Shea Stadium in November of that year. And Washington won the game 35 to 17. Namath was 15 of 28 for 148 yards, three interceptions. I think Chris Hamburger had a pick six in this game. He did, 41-yard pick six in the game.

But the reason I remember this game is that home games were not televised in 1972 because of the blackout rule. The blackout rule was if you're not sold out 72 hours in advance, then the game can't be televised in the home market, a home game. And that was the last year, and they got rid of the blackout rule the following year in 73. Now, every game was sold out, but I guess every game wasn't sold out 72 hours in advance. They dropped that blackout rule the following year in 73. But that was a road game, so it didn't apply. But the game wasn't broadcast because they had major technical issues from Shea Stadium, never

saw the game in Washington. They had to go to another game. And so I remember with my dad as a little kid listening to the game on radio. But they beat the Jets that day 35 to 17. So my answer that immediately came to mind is Len bias. I can't tell you how many times, you know, and a lot of times it'll be like my boys now as, you know, now men, young men, they'll, you know, we're on a group text and they'll send me a text of a Len bias highlight, you know, real that showed up, you know, in their social media timeline. And, you know, dad, he really was great. And then, you know, or if we're together. So Len bias is the one that comes up more than I think any other. I mean, there are a lot of them that come up that I enjoy talking about. But for me, to talk about

Len bias is a college basketball player because there is an aura, there's a legend, you know how we all understand that when somebody dies, you know, the mythology of the players sometimes actually, you know, becomes outsized and not necessarily recognizable to who they were as players, but I've never felt that way about bias. I think the conversation about him is sometimes almost underdone because some people will say, you know, well, he was never going to be Jordan, and others will say, well, he was going to be Jordan. He wasn't going to be Jordan. There's only one Jordan.

Bias didn't play like Jordan. Bias played like Dominique Wilkins. That's always been my comp for bias in terms of what he would have been in the NBA. He would have been a better shooter than Wilkins, too. But in terms of a highlight reel, bias would have been, you know, along with Mike, and Dominique Wilkins and then guys like Daryl Dawkins, etc. Would have been an absolute highlight reel at the NBA level. But as a college player, you know, he, you know, he's two-time ACC player of the year.

He was a two-time All-American. He was not great as a freshman. He had problems handling the basketball. He was not a great ball handler. He was a forward. He wasn't what Jordan was, which was a two-guard. but the similarities were that Len Bias was an absolute killer on the court. I mean, he was a tremendous competitive badass on the floor.

There's this famous story that Maryland fans of my generation will tell. Olden Polynes was a starting center for Virginia, and this was in 86, Bias' final year, his senior year. Polineas got the best of them in Charlottesville, and the final home game of Bias' career was against UVA at Cole Fieldhouse. And bias dominated Polinese so badly. I mean, the revenge factor in that game. And there's a moment in like the first half where Polonies has one shot blocked by bias, and he recovers it, goes back up, bias tips that one. Virginia gets it back. and Pollynees then throws up a third shot

and Bias just screams for everybody to hear, give me that shit, and he threw it into the third row. And he dominated Pollynees so much in that final home game and the emotion of his final home game was beyond, beyond what you can even describe, because the love for him and his four years there was so great. I mean, there was no doubt that,

By the time we got to his senior year, Len Bias was the greatest player to ever play for Maryland. And think about it, Tommy. At that time, Tom McMillan, John Lucas, Buck Williams, Albert King. I mean, they had great players who had played. But he was the most physically gifted player that I had ever watched at that point. David Thompson was probably a close second, but Bias was 6'8 and chiseled from stone with a 42-44-inch vertical leap. He dunked harder than anybody. That's what's so impressive when you see the highlight reels of bias today is that like Sean Kemp, like Dominique Wilkins in that

day, he tried to basically drill a hole in the floor when he dunked a basketball. And his head was very often level, if not above the rim. He was such a power dunker. Uh, and he was such a power dunker. There weren't many of those. I mean, Daryl Dawkins, you know, from years before that was kind of a 6-3-6-4 power dunker. But Kemp, think of Sean Kemp people. Think of Dominique Wilkins in terms of the way he dunked the basketball. And then he was unstoppable as a shooter. I mean, literally, you couldn't block his shot because he was 6-8 with a ridiculous vertical

and he shot it at the apex, you know, full. arm and elbow extended, impossible to block, and from 20 feet and in, he was deadly, like he just didn't miss. He was a much better, much better shooter as a college basketball player than Jordan was. He was a much better defender and shot blocker and rebounder than Jordan was because he was six, eight. And he played as a forward. Jordan, though, also was held back by Dean Smith, which was always the story

with Carolina players. And Jordan was just he was a guard. He was a shooting guard. Bias was a forward. And Bias' limitation was really as a ball handler. He wasn't a terrible ball handler by the time he graduated, but he wasn't going to take people

off the dribble from the perimeter more times than not. but yeah he was every bit of what's been described and maybe even more because I think what often doesn't get discussed about bias is that he was the meanest and I say that in a complimentary way the meanest tough guy badass competitor on the court you know and lefty used to you know talk about him like he would see like there's the story about a game doubt it at NC State, and they're down like 10 at halftime, and they're in the locker room, and bias is bleeding, and he's pissed, and he's pounding the locker, and lefty just said, look at

Leonard! He's a warrior! And they went out in the second half, and they came back and won the game. And, you know, all the guys that played with him, you know, would swear by all of that, and it's just so sad, you know, that it ended the way it ended, because, I mean, Larry Bird, you know, Larry Bird famously, you know, basically came back and said, I'm coming back over the summer to work with bias. And Red Hourback was infatuated with bias and the ability to take him at number two after Brad Doherty in that 86 draft. And unfortunately, just a couple of days afterwards, you know,

cocaine intoxication dead at 22 years old. And his mother passed away recently. You know, I saw that. Maybe you and I talked about this. What a woman she was. Yes. So bias was definitely the immediate one for me. That's a good one.

Yeah, but the other one, I find myself getting giddy when somebody says to me, how good was Lawrence Taylor? Because for me, and I've said this before, and with you, in my lifetime of watching the NFL, he's not just the greatest defensive player of all He's the greatest football player of my football watching lifetime. And he played on a rival team. And I got to see him two times a year and in one particular year, three times that year when they got to the NFC championship and lost to the Giants and the Meadowlands.

But LT, I think the legend of LT is, I don't even know if it matches how great he really was. like he literally changed the way offenses went about protecting their quarterback because he was such a dominant pass rusher. He was just the all-time greatest football player. I mean, I think one of my favorite lines is just Belichick in that top 100 all-time show when, you know, they, or actually it wasn't that show. It was something else. When somebody asked him about Lawrence, asked him about. I forget who the pass rusher was now, a current player. And somebody said, is he comparable to Lawrence Taylor?

And he said, hold on for a second. He said, we're talking about Lawrence Taylor here. That's not, no, no, let's not get confused. Lawrence Taylor is in his own category. LT's in his own category. And everybody who watched football and followed football during the 80s into the early 90s, I think would say the same thing about LT. You might say there are quarterbacks that you would put ahead of him

in terms of the greatest player of your football watching lifetime. But I don't know, man. LT was that great. So those are the two. Sean Taylor, I get a lot of Sean Taylor. How good was, Dad, how great was Sean Taylor? He was really, really good. The thing about Sean Taylor is that he was on the verse.

of exploding into what would have been a Hall of Fame player, in my opinion. His best season was the season in which he died. 2007, he was a dominant player. He wasn't that to start with, you know, there were a lot of big blowups that he missed, big plays he tried to make that he probably shouldn't have made. But as he grew and matured, 2007, the game at Lambo against Brett Farve and the Packers, I mean, he had two picks probably should have had four. And the range that he had as a safety for a man that size, and he was huge,

Sean Taylor was going to be a Hall of Fame player. I don't think there's any doubt about it. I get people that will argue with me on that to say, well, it didn't start off that way. Yeah, but look at the last two years. Look at 06 and look at 07 in particular. you know, that was his fourth season. I mean, he was still a young player. Anyway, yeah, those are the players.

I mean, anybody else come to mind for you? Like, I thought you were going to say Tom Seaver, because that's your favorite player of all time. Yeah, but if you look at Seaver and his numbers, it would say to you, well, of course he's a whole same pitcher. Right. Of course he's a great pitcher. Yeah.

but they don't even speak to how great he was because he was a great pitcher on teams that lost more than they won. Right. Okay, so even his great numbers don't speak to how great Seaver was, but the one I think that, you know, you had to be there was famous. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that there are plenty of people, you know, especially the advanced stats people that would just look at it and say, well, come on, man.

Now, the era had a lot of passers with more interceptions, really good players. But Namath's numbers in particular, I mean, he's a career. For his career, he is a 50.1 completion percentage guy. I know. I know. Yeah. Well, again, I mean, all quarterbacks from that era, you look at Stapler's numbers. Yeah, I know.

And he threw more interceptions than touchdowns. Sonny didn't, though. Sonny didn't throw more. Sunny threw 255 touchdowns, 189 interceptions. Right. And his career completion percentage was 57.1%. Right. You know, when Sunny threw for 32 touchdowns in 1961, that was, that was, like, incredible.

And, you know, when he passed away, We looked it up, and I think this was the most surprising thing to me, is in Philadelphia Eagles history, his 32 touchdown passes in 1961 are still the second most in Eagles history. And I think it was Carson Wentz who set the record for them. And then for Washington, his 31 touchdowns in 67 are the most ever. No one's ever thrown more than 30. in Skins' history.

Cousins had 29, and Thysman had 29. Even Rippin's unbelievable year was a 28 touchdown season. I mean, Sunny's numbers are phenomenal for the time, too. Yeah. But he and Namath could throw the football, that's for sure. All right, let's get to other things that we have, including by the way, the Nats hot start. I want to hear what Tommy thinks about Joey Weimer.

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So, Tommy, I know it's only four games and they've got another 158 left, but it's about as good as you could have expected. beyond, well beyond what you could have expected in terms of the Nats, who right now are three and one and lead the National League in home runs, RBIs, hits, and are second and team batting average through the first four games of the year, led by, of course, the guy we were all talking about during the offseason, Joey Weamer. Explain this start. 13 to two winners last night against the Phillies.

In Philly, I know. I know, look, I have to say that they look very impressive early on, and I give kudos to the new manager, Blake Boutterre, you know, who's brand new to Major League Baseball. They've always looked prepared to play when they've been out there, you know. They've made some mistakes, a few base running errors, a few errors, but overall, they've looked ready to play, and you know every button he's pushed so far with the lineups seems to have worked. Okay, so I have to give kudos to him to the manager, I think most of all, basically having this team ready to play. You know, Kate Kavali in the opener looked very impressive, but I already told you that he has the stuff to be an ace if he stays healthy.

He only pitched three and two-thirds in the opener. Yeah, but it's opening day, Kevin. Yeah. And with a guy with arm injury, you always treat them cautiously. Okay. Opening day. Look, I saw Mike Messina get taken out of a no-hit game. No, I saw Kevin Apier get taken out of a no-hit game against the Orioles back in 95 on opening day.

so you always are cautious coming out of spring training. Jake Irvin looked good in his outing. He has good stuff, even though he had such a terrible year last year. So, again, like you said, four games. I mean, 162 games, teams generally get exposed, more than any other sport, I think, for who they really are. Sure. Okay. But the manager looks sharp so far.

the team looks ready to play and you know they look good they look great and enjoy the fun while it's there you know the Dodgers come to town on Friday for the home opener

well I mean you know two things kind of stand out to me we'll get to Weamer here in a moment but number one we talked about last week how they open up with the Cubs, Phillies and Dodgers in their first nine games the three favorites

in the National League divisions. And it's the offense. I mean, they had 17 hits last night. They did not have a great offensive spring training either. Yeah. And, you know, they've done it without James Wood hitting. He is not hit well here in the first four games. But this Joey Weamer, I mean, I don't know anything about him other than what I've read.

I mean, he basically... This is his fifth major league team, Kevin. A lot of people didn't even think he'd make the team. team when they went to spring training. Remember Joey Menenez? A couple years ago? Yep. Started out like gangbusters.

Yeah. A home run every other time he was up to hit. Yeah. He's back in a minor. I'm not expecting Joey Weimer to be in the MVP conversation when we get to June. But he did tie a major league baseball record for reaching base on his first 10. plate appearances to start a season. Carlos Delgado and Toronto did it 10 times in 2002.

And then finally, in the fifth inning, his third at bat last night after 10 straight, he grounded out. He's yet to strike out in an appearance yet. And is hitting 800, not too bad, with an 846 on base percentage through four games. And that doesn't happen. if the manager doesn't insert him into the opening day lineup. Yeah, well, he apparently was a surprise. Well, he apparently was a surprise because he was left-handed pitching.

Then he pulled him from game two, put him in against left-handed pitching in the game Sunday. And then after, you know, three games and him hitting a thousand and having a base percentage of a thousand, he put him in against a right-hander last night. And he was two for four. So, you know, not a bad start. So the Nats get the Phillies two more times, and then as Tommy said on Friday, the home opener against the Dodgers in a three-game set. I will be there for that game. You will be on Friday?

I'll be there for the home opener. That's a fun home opener to have the Dodgers in town for the home opener. They hi to my good buddy Stan Kasten. Maybe he'll show off his latest World Series ring. You know who's scheduled to start for the Dodgers in the Nats home opener on Friday is Mr. Sheehan. Emmett Sheehan will end up being a starter. Really? A relative of yours?

Not that I know of, but it's spelled the same way. I noticed that a few years ago, you know, when they were in the postseason. What? You should claim them as one of yours. Sure. I mean, I guarantee you he's got. Some relatives traced back to County Cork, Ireland. That's where all the Sheeans apparently come from in Ireland.

You know, when I was there... Have you been to Ireland? Yeah, I was there two summers ago. Yeah. Loved it. Absolutely loved it. All right, well, good start for the Nets. So I got this from Reed.

Reed wrote, Kevin, this was before the radio show. and I guess before the podcast as well. Whatever you do, Kevin, please don't spend even a minute on the uniforms or branding or name or any of the topics that only people like you care about. It's gotten to be a total turn the station moment for me and thousands in your audience. I love this. It's so effing predictable. when there is any sort of, you know, news related to branding, name uniforms. And, you know, we had the, you know, tweet last week from the team about new uniforms coming on April 15th.

And then Josh Harris spoke Tommy for the first time. And I covered that on yesterday's show. But we can talk about it. And I can get your reaction to anything he said if you want to weigh in. But he talked about how, you know, the new uniforms are going to be a nod to the past. and yet, you know, he said, I don't want to share everything with you because I want to keep some things a surprise. I knew once, you know, he weighed in on that and any conversation about that took place, people like Reed and Ian and others who, for some reason, it's very strange to me, just think that people like me are like among very few.

Like there's this dark corner of, you know, Skins Nation that is still hung up on the name. And they're tucked away over here, but God, do they get loud when any sort of piece of news hits? And I don't understand how you could be that detached read from this fan base. I don't know anything about Reed's fandom. If he's a longtime fan, if he's a fan at all, or maybe from here, not from here, who knows? because honestly, I swear to you, I don't have any issue with those that say, I'm not interested in that conversation. It bores me. I find it silly. I thought the name was offensive. I thought it should have been changed. You're entitled to that opinion. What I have a problem with, and I've sort of emphasized this once or a thousand times over the last five years, is those that actually believe and then lecture people like me on, don't talk about this. Nobody cares. You're the

only one that cares about this. Why would you do this to yourself? Like, do you understand how bad that advice is read to try to produce this show that way with that advice? And I point to every single time something like this happens. Like, I know what a big issue this is, and I know that they know what a big issue it is. It's been that way since they purchased the team. But Tommy, the tweet that the team put out last week about new uniforms coming on April 15th, it had as of this morning 2.7 million views. Nothing they've done. Nothing they've done this year comes even close to that. The average number of views for a team tweet from the team's X account is about 35,000 views. That's average. The biggest view count

that I could find of any other of their tweets this year was they put out a video of Adafay O way after they signed him in free agency, and it was like 600,000 plus views. Not 2.7 million, but there were like 600,000 views because it was a very good highlight reel of Oway. They're biggest free agent signing. And I just look, I don't even know what to say about something like that if that's not obvious to you, read and others like you. Like the most viewed tweets the team puts out consistently over the last couple of years about their team, the ones that get the most views have to do with the name, uniforms,

branding, whatever. This is a massive issue. You're very much in the tiny minority of people that think that nobody cares about this. It's a massive percentage of the fan base, both current and former, that not only care about this, but it impacts their fandom. The ownership knows this. This is why they made the move to go back to uniforms that look like. the old team, and we'll see those as the predominant uniform in 2026. It's why they're going to

try to tie something, I believe, into the helmet. I think that's what Josh Harris's surprises. You know, he wants to keep some of it, you know, until April 15th, I think it's going to be something with the helmet. I don't think it's going to be the old logo. I'm almost sure of it, but I think a spear or two will make its way into a logo. I think on the helmet, we'll see. I can't tell you that for sure. But, They just can't go back to Redskins. The league won't let them do it. If the league allowed them to do it,

it would be the biggest home run for them business-wise that they could pull off. But I think that that is over. I don't think that's ever coming back. And Josh Harris did emphasize once again yesterday. They are still committed to commanders. And the reason for that is every other name other than Redskins they believe would be just as polarizing. And they, it's a, it's a tough dilemma for them.

Commanders and the old, they're able to change your uniforms and we're seeing that. By the way, kudos to Josh Harris and company and ownership for at least doing that so that the team looks like the team we used to root for. I think that'll help some people. I don't think it's going to help everybody, but I think it'll help some people. I just Tommy don't get those that actually think that, This is, you know, a small group of people that get all fired up for this topic when the team, you know, does something related to it. I don't know how – it's amazing how detached somebody has to be to actually feel that way.

I agree with you. You know, I wrote a column that will be in tomorrow's paper about the comments that were made about the owner's meetings yesterday by the various commitments. Andrew's hierarchy, nowhere did I mention one single word about the uniform or the logo or anything like that, in part because I don't care about it, but in also part because I'm not well-versed enough to really comment about it. I mean, when I write columns, I generally feel strongly about what I'm writing about. You know, I don't feel that. I'm not a fan. But I recognize that this is a huge issue among the fan base. I recognize that.

And to dismiss it is ignorant, actually, just pure ignorance. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how you could be, that you could pay attention to this team, whether you're in media or whether you're a fan or whether you're just a sports fan that lives here and not recognize how big of an issue this is. And, you know, I just gave you one example of proof that it is clearly a topic of interest among the team's fans, certainly on social media, but it goes well beyond that. And they, you know, they're trying to, you know, reconnect a big, big percentage of the fans that were lost. to the team through some of the things they're doing, like with the uniforms.

They just can't go back to the old name. I wish they could. I wish they could. Again, let me emphasize, I don't care when people say to me, I don't really care about the name, you know, even if they're a hardcore fan, I know why you don't. But even a hardcore fan that says, you know what, I actually was one of those, you know, people that was offended by the old name. I'm glad they changed it.

Or I'm kind of over it. I just want them to win. That's fine. But when you say that nobody cares about this, move on, you're really showing your ignorance and detachment from the reality, which is this is still a massive issue. And I don't know when it'll stop being an issue. I think it'll be years and years from now

when really a new fan base, a much younger fan base emerges and grows with the team and the team wins. By the way, I know I've said this before. I'm actually now tired of talking about it. I still feel it. I still wish it were the Redskins. I still wish it were, if it can't be Redskins, Washington football team, we just call them the skins. I'm glad the uniforms are coming back to something that makes the team recognizable.

But I've gotten to the point where my passion level for the team just isn't where it used to be. And because of that, the conversations about the name and branding, while it does get me fired up in the moment, it's not like I'm seeking out those opportunities to talk about it anymore. It's got to be something like this that gets me into talking about it. Even though I know that if I talked about it more, it actually would be better for the show, not worse for the show, Reed, just so you know. but I'm kind of tired of it because I know I know that the old name's not coming back and I also know that ownership is committed

to sticking with what they have now other than what they're able to change the uniforms, etc. Because the information they have says you know, red hawks, you know, red tails, Washington football team it would leave them in the same exact spot they're in now. And I can certainly sympathize from, you know, a common sense perspective that this isn't

an easy solution. There is no easy solution because the easy solution isn't available to them. Anyway, so tell me what you are writing about as it relates to Josh Harris speaking for the first time yesterday since the season ended. Well, I'm writing about a couple of things. being the skeptic that I am, the mystery of Tyler Badoche, Beaudish. Yeah. Only deepens where they won't even give a reason for what they did, that they didn't even trade them. Did anybody ask, why did you release Tyler Biotish versus the question that I heard, which is, did you explore trying to trade for him?

Oh, I don't know. I don't know if they did, but he obviously had suitors. You know, there were a number of teams reportedly interested in. the bears among one of them. And, I mean, you know, Adam Peter's answer was very lame. It was? What was the answer?

Okay. I'll have to read it for you. I think I read it. I didn't think it was lame. I thought it was very lame. I don't want to get into specifics. And we've talked to Tyler about that. I will say he is one of the first guys that we signed and we really appreciate what he did for us

the last two years and wish him a lot of luck in L.A. I think he's going to do well there. And in terms of specifics, I think we'll just keep those in-house. Okay. What's wrong with that answer? Because it's lame in-house. I think fans deserve an explanation why one of your best offensive linemen was basically cut. You have to admit, it's the only mystery of the offseason.

That's true. That is true. It's true. So I think it deserves more, but, you know, it's their business. They could run it as they see fit. But I don't think that's going to satisfy anybody, you know, in terms of what happened. You know, Dan Quinn said that, you know, he mentioned Nick Allegretti, who looks like he'll be the center.

we won a lot of games with Nick. You know, well, they want the same amount of games that they did with Tyler. They were both on the roster at the same time. You know, so I don't understand that answer either. So I thought that. Well, what do you think they're covering up? I don't know. I don't know.

You know, basically, if they're protecting him, I wrote, from something being revealed, it didn't scare Jim Harbaugh, clearly. Yeah, I'm going to guess that this was just more about the value that they saw. Because we do know that Adam Peters does kind of assign a value and tends to be pretty disciplined around it. Unless the player is just a player that like Kinlaw last year, he clearly loved Kinlaw and was willing to pay market, if not a little bit above market price for him. and you could probably say that about 08 as well. You're right. This is the one thing that's just a bit confusing, I think, to fans of the team

because he didn't play poorly this year. Steve Souter really liked his play, but he doesn't like the player as much as he likes Laramie Tunsell. Let me be clear about that, or even a guy like Sam Cosme. I mentioned Steve Suter and your podcast in my column for tomorrow. Okay. But I also wonder what the change to David Blow has to do with this. Like they may be looking for a different style of center.

Quarterback's going to be more under center. How hard would that be to say? I don't know. That would be easy. Well, I think you know, we're doing a different style. We're looking for a different guy, you know, to hike the ball. hike the ball. You really can't say that without at least admitting that he'd be limited in that area, and it would be somewhat critical of him. He could say the opposite of it. It wasn't one of his strengths.

I'll tell you what, here's what I, let me just say this. I'd love to know the truth of this. So I think a lot of fans would actually like to know what the hell happens. So to your point, Adam Peters didn't answer that. And Quinn, by the way, when he answered that we didn't explore trades, Apparently that's not really what he meant. Ben and others who were there said it wasn't exactly what he meant, because I think Adam Peters did say we explored all options. So I trust, I can't imagine, Tommy, that they didn't try to see whether or not there was a market for him and whether or not they could get a day three pick for him.

So there is that. I trust that they explored the options with him. And ultimately, I just wonder if they, thought there was just a better option like Tyler Linderbaum and that they were going to go after Tyler Linderbaum and get him. I also think that there was the guy Cushingberry in Tennessee who was going to become available and then failed as physical and was released by Tennessee. And I think they thought maybe that was a possibility. I think there were other things that they, it was probably one of those things, Tyler, we like you, but we like you at this number.

says no, but they had another plan, but I don't think they executed on that other plan. Like the price for a lender bomb got way too high too quickly, and they were out. And then Cushinberry failed as physical. And, you know, so I'm not saying that they didn't have plan C, Nick Allegretti can be at least what Tyler Beattish was. I'm not saying he can be or can't be, but in their mind's eye. But I think they had a plan A and make. maybe even a plan B. For if Biotish didn't take the number that they wanted him to play at. And I don't think they were able to execute.

That's my guess. Just a guess. Well, the other thing I wrote about was what we've talked about before. You know, the owner, Josh Harris, talked about a sense of urgency with a young quarterback. But I don't think they approached free agency with a sense of urgency. because I think most of their Plan A signings, they whipped on. That doesn't mean their Plan B signings weren't solid, but their approach in free agency was pretty much methodical and cautious.

It wasn't like with the sense of urgency that the owner talked about. Yeah, we've had this conversation. Right. When you spent more than all but 29 teams, and you added more new players than anybody in the league. I just can't get behind that they weren't, you know, that they weren't, you know, at least active, very active, if not aggressive. You're right.

They didn't get Alec Pierce. Tyler Lindervaum probably was, you know, part of their plan, and the price got out of control. Nobody saw it going above $22 million a year, and he got, what, $29 million a year? And I wouldn't give a center that much money. I agree. And so, and then Jalen Phillips, I'm glad they didn't get Jalen Phillips personally.

I think always, Jalen Phillips has been hurt too much. I think there's risk there. I'm also glad they didn't get Alec Pierce, to be honest with you. I mean, they clearly wanted Pierce, and Pierce didn't, it wasn't that he picked Indy over Washington. I think he was always going to stay in Indy, as it turns out, you know, they didn't. that just after 12 noon on that first day. So it looked like the biggest free agent signing for a

wide receiver. But he apparently was best friends with Daniel Jones and the Colts were going to keep him. I look at their list and I'm like, if you gave me this list before the

first day of free agency and said three and a half weeks later, you're going to have this list of new players, I'd be like, wow, They were super active, super active. I know that. We've talked about this before. Let's not beat this again.

We have a difference of opinion. I mean, you know, they were... Well, you're entitled to your wrong opinion on this. Yeah, there you go. Here's another opinion I had to wrap it up. Yeah. And this will be close to your heart, where Josh Harris talked about letting Jane Daniels playing the flag football game.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Where he said, I'm not going to say I wasn't nervous, but I'm glad we got. got through that one. Yeah. Well, they could have said no.

Players, the NFL active players had to get permission to play in this game from their teams. Spanders could have said no. I know. I know. I know. I think there's a sense of fear. I think there's a little bit sense of fear.

Oh, fear of him? Oh. I don't know what the answer to this is the only thing that makes sense to me is, again, the number was so big that they looked at it and said, how can we, you know, stop him from taking this amount of money? He's their player.

He's their player. When I mean sense of fear, I mean a sense of fear of saying no to him. Yeah, I know. That's a sense of fear I'm talking about. No, I know that. I know what you're saying. Just so we're clear.

I know what you're saying. Yeah. So that's what I wrote about for tomorrow. Yeah, I mean. Nothing about any of the other stuff. I know it's important to people. I recognize what a big issue it is for the fan base, but it's not an issue that I enjoy writing about

or can write about as intelligently. Well, you've written about it before. You've written about it before. Yeah, but not that much. But let me just say, Adam Peters expressed, you know, the nerves and anxiety over the flag football game, too. Yeah. I mean, I know.

This is where, like, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, just relax. it's flag football. Knew. When he was lined up at wide receiver running routes trying to shake people,

people in Ashburn fingers crossed and praying that nothing happened. Again, if something had happened, it'd be an all-time D.C.

sports story. It is surprising because you're right. Well, I'm glad it didn't. I'm glad it didn't either. Because I enjoy writing about

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This weekend, 81 on Friday, opening day, you go on the opening day for the Nats, okay? Come to Shelly's after opening day, because I'll be there. Once opening day is over, you come by and say hi to me. You can find out more at shelley's backroom.com. Shelly's at 1331 F Street, Northwest, in the district. Are you a Chris Collinsworth fan? Yes, I am. You are?

Very much so. And I think it's, I think I think he's good. But I'm not as hard or as passionate about broadcasters, unless a guy's really bad as some people are. you know, there's some people that no matter what, anyway, I always thought Troy Aikman was good. I think Troy. Always going to be good. Yeah.

Right. But that opinion has kind of come around among other people. He's get criticized a lot, well, particularly by Washington fans because they always thought he was biased. But I've always liked Colin Forth. I think he's pretty good. I've always respected how smart he is. He guy has a law degree. And I saw him play in the NFL, and he was a pro ball court.

wide receiver for the Bengals. He was a stud. Yeah, he played on those Boomer-Sycin teams with Sam which as the coach. Was he a pro-bowler? I think you're right. I'm just looking at up. Multiple times.

Yeah. I'll bet you. No, he was a really good player. Yeah. He was really good. So I have, I guess I have so much respect for somebody who has accomplished what he has. Three-time pro-bler.

That, you know, maybe it affects the way I, I, think of him as a broadcaster. You know, it's interesting. His first three years in the league, rookie season, second year, third year are the years that he made the Pro Bowl. Ken Anderson was the starting quarterback of those teams. Oh, okay. Not Boomer Asiason. When Boomer got there, he had very productive seasons with Boomer, but he was not a pro bowler.

And then it looks like towards the end of his career, when Boomer and Cincinnati were really starting to take off, it looked like he was kind of injured. He had a short career. He was done by 29 years old. He had eight-year career, done it 29 years old. Okay. Yeah. He went to law school.

Yeah. He had other fish to fry. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of Collinsworth. I think I used to be, he just, there's a lot of, just, there's a consistent sort of hyperbolic way in which he describes everything. It's like, you know, like I respect him. I recognize that he's a good broadcaster.

Like Mike Greenberg is an excellent broadcaster, excellent broadcaster at ESPN. But just every single day, and it's with every single game, Collinsworth calls, what we just saw was perhaps the greatest thing that's ever happened in the history of the sport. And it just, you know, if everything's great, then nothing's great. And I think he gets carried away that way. Of course, he's working with the absolute best in Mike Tariko on Sunday night football.

So the reason I bring up Chris Collinsworth is I think many of you probably know this. Chris Collinsworth purchased pro-football focus PFF back in 2014. He purchased a majority of the company. I don't know what his ownership stake was in PFF when he bought the company in 2014. And the reason I bring it up is because pro football focus was just sold to teamwork. I'm not familiar with teamwork. I asked you before the show, you weren't familiar with teamwork either. But I guess in some ways it was a competitor to PFF.

But anyway, they were bought PFF was, were the business part of pro football focus, not the consumer front, which would be, you know, a lot of their podcasts, a lot of their writings, and I guess maybe even the actual PFF grades that are made available to the public. I've never purchased as a subscriber, anything from PFF. but their business to business side, which is the product that they sell to teams, and all 32 NFL teams and many college teams are customers of pro football focus. But they were sold to teamwork for something north of $100 million. A lot of the front-facing PFF guys have been laid off in recent days. we know some of those people I put some of those people on the show

so I certainly wish them the best many of them have been very good guests on the show but I don't know what percentage Collinsworth owned but if he still owned a majority he's worth at least 51 million after the purchase I don't know if it was cash stock or all cash I haven't seen that

but wow I mean you know he really saw where this thing was going. And look, PFF in 2014, never even heard of it. And I remember when he bought it and they started to post some of those numbers and the analytics stuff on Sunday night football when he started to call those games. It was a bit annoying. And I'm not a believer in everything that pro football focus produces, but it's another piece of information that helps you in analyzing football.

The teams, I'm sure, don't use everything that's provided to them. I've heard before that sometimes they'll get grades and they'll be like, whoa, that was way off. But 100 million or something north of 100 million, it was a nine-figure deal. And it was just their business portion of the company. He's going to stay on as an advisor post-period. purchase, but wow. I mean,

Chris Collinsworth, he doesn't need to call these games anymore. Not that he needed to beforehand, but good job by him. You know, I've seen a bunch of the PFF guys, guys that I like, like Trevor Sycamah and, you know, Nick Ackridge, we put on the show. I hope, you know, everything works out for them. I know that there were a lot of layoffs after the announcement of this sale. So we'll see what happens to some.

of those guys. I don't know exactly what it means to, you know, are these PFF grades going to be readily available to the public like they've been? Because so many people use them. I use them every once in a while. I don't have access to them, but sometimes they just get posted, you know, on social media in terms of what the grades were. You know, our guy, Nick Ackridge actually, you know, on a weekly basis will, you know, post like the top five and the bottom five grades or something like that as it relates to our team. But man, $100 million for pro football focus.

A lot of the really good guys have left there in recent years. Brad Spielberger, the guy Sam Monson, who I like a lot, have Sam on the show a lot. He went to 33rd team. The guy,

got him forgetting his name now, actually went to work for the Carolina Panthers. A couple of those guys got NFL jobs. in the analytics departments of NFL teams. But that's, I would not have guessed. I don't, I don't know much about, to be honest with you. I would not have guessed that that was going to be worth $100 million. But then again, I don't know anything about, you know,

what teams pay pro football focus for, you know, the information that they provide. It must be a lot. And they've got all 32 teams and they got all these. college teams. I'll tell you one thing, man, you know, Nick's explained the process before of going through, you know, each play on the all 22 and grading out each player. It's a lot of manpower that produces all of that data. Now, I wonder if AI can do that. I don't know. All right, I know you wanted to talk about something that happened, I think, 50 years ago today. We will do that.

50 years ago. Not 50 years ago? 53 years ago today. Oh, 53 years ago today. So it's not as significant an anniversary as maybe I thought. I didn't say it was. No, you didn't. No, you got.

That was my fault. A little bit excited. That's my fault. So the fact that we've already teased it for the next segment of the show means we can't go back. We could if I decided to edit this out and start it all over again, but we won't. It'll still be worth listening to. We'll see. I'll be the judge of that.

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Before we get to your, you know, 53-year anniversary event, I did want to just mention the Tiger Woods story, which we have not talked about because it happened after our show on Thursday. Tiger Woods apparently told authorities after the arrest that he was looking down at his cell phone and changing the radio station in his SUV, which caused him to not see a truck slowing down before the rollover crash last week in Florida. Martin County Sheriff Deputy Tatiana Levinar wrote in an arrest affidavit that Woods was sweating profusely and he was lethargic and slow. He did submit to a breath I think most of you who have followed this story know that.

And there was no evidence of alcohol, but he would not submit to a urinalysis. So real quickly on this, because I haven't talked about this. I wanted to wait for you. It's clearly, I think, I mean, I say clearly and then I say I think. I can't imagine it's anything other than pain meds. You know, he has had seven back operations. and 20 operations on his legs since his accident in 2021. I mean, this guy is in an emergency room under anesthesia more than he's been on the golf course over the last five years.

And, you know, it was pain meds back in 2017 when he was found, you know, asleep on the side of the road at three in the morning. And I can't imagine it's anything other than pain meds now. You know, maybe, you know, it's prescription drugs. I think that's what most people believe it is. It's not alcohol. It's not cocaine or heroin or weed. It's prescription drugs.

And he's got to get help for this. But my question, and I have a couple of them for you, the first of which is, if this weren't Tiger Woods, would he be going to jail? Well, if it was you or me? Yeah. And this was our second or third. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. I mean, at some point, the judge is going to say, we were lenient the first couple of times, but this time, you know, you haven't learned. You haven't learned your lesson. Yeah. I wonder if there's a chance that a judge will do that.

I don't know. Florida, man, Florida is one fucked up place. There are no rules in Florida. anymore. So who knows what will happen. You know, when he, when he did this the last time, I wrote a column saying he had an opportunity to basically speak out and be a role model spokesman for a problem that is just permeates the country, you know, pain medication addiction, you know, and he opted not to do that. And I know it probably is pain meds and he probably hit a lot of pain.

But when time did this happen? The other day it was during the daytime. I mean, this guy's gotten incredibly lucky that he hasn't hurt somebody. I mean, this has to stop. Like, there are reports that he has essentially not decided on using a car

service because he values his privacy. Now, there's a lot of ways to go with that on what, you know, beyond just the normal privacy stuff, he doesn't want a driver to know where he lives. I mean, you can sign an NDA, you can do a lot of things, and you can pay the driver well enough to ensure that nobody starts showing up at your home because your driver is telling everybody where you live. But at this point, there's no excuse.

I mean, they'll take his license away for this, right? You would think so. Absolutely. You think they take his license way. But they don't have a urinalysis, you know? They don't have any hard evidence except what the cops that saw. Right. But you can lose your license for, you know, turning down and a urinalysis. Yeah.

It's automatically taken away from if you refuse to have the breathalyzer. Right. Well, he did the breathalyzer. He didn't do the urinalysis. Right. Yeah, he refused to submit to the urinalysis. Yeah. You know, I've read briefly bits of a column from, I think, somebody who covers them and knows him and says the whole thing with the driver is Tiger doesn't like giving up control.

He doesn't want to surrender control of even driving. I can see that. I can see that. I hate being in a car. I hate being in a car when somebody else is driving. I would have a driver tomorrow if I could afford it. I hate not driving. Hate it.

Like, I don't like taking Ubers if I can drive. Now, I do take Ubers, especially if I'm going to be drinking, you know, somewhere. But, yeah, I mean, at this point, there's literally no excuse the, level of irresponsibility moving forward if he doesn't have a car service and if he doesn't stop driving. And by the way, if he doesn't get some level of, you know, I think addiction rehab, I mean, there has to be some, you know, I would imagine that if a judge doesn't throw him in jail, he's going to require that Tiger go to some sort of rehab.

And in terms of pain relief, again, we're speaking off the cuff here. We're not medical experts. But he needs to seek pain relief to live, not to play golf. Well, the same reason he doesn't want to give up driving is the same reason he didn't want to give up golf. But I will tell you this, if for whatever reason next weekend he showed up ready to play at the Masters, it would be. I'd watch it.

Of course you would watch it. course you would watch it. It'd be the all-time ratings bonanza for a first round of a golf tournament. Oh, my God. Can you imagine? That would be insane. I doubt he's going to play. Well, look, the masters could, you know, say, sorry, you've got to get this thing worked out before you play. They don't like sorted stuff, do they? Their masters like thinking themselves as proper people, don't they? Yeah. That's why I don't think you'll ever be asked to. apply for membership. You don't apply for membership.

Get recruited? Do you get an application? I'm interested. I watch your little tournament on TV, and it looks like a nice course. Want to apply? It's not the way those places work. All right. Tell me what happened 53 years ago today. Well, it was the first Ali Norton fight. Muhammad Ali versus Ken Norton.

Ken Norton was relatively unknown at the time. he had a pretty decent record and was an up-and-comer, but in the spotlight he wasn't. And he knocked out, he broke Ollie's jaw in this fight and won a decision. This is when Ollie was trying, you know, was on his way back from the loss to Fraser and was looking to basically get another title shot at some point. And he saw Ken Norton as a stepping stone

didn't turn out to be the case. now when that broken jaw happened is up for dispute uh antloodunty al lee's trainer said it happened late in the fight but eddie fudge norton's trainer said it happened in the second round right that's what i always remember knowing knowing both of those guys i tend to believe you know what eddie fudge had said uh now

there's you know here's what you're not going to hear any place else about this fight years before, a few years before, there was a sparring section between Ali and Norton. Right. At a California gym. Ali used to travel around the country during his suspension, stopping at gyms and getting workouts with local talent.

And he had sparred with a couple of heavyweights, and he asked if there were any more heavyweights who wanted to spar. and Eddie Futch was there with Norton. So somebody said, yeah, Eddie's got a heavy lead. And so Norton and Ali sparred. And then, you know, the first round, Norton gave him pretty good. And then the second round, Holly says,

I'm through playing with you. I'm going to put something on you now. So then they went at it. Okay. And Norton, you know, Norton gave it right back to him. They started exchanging hands, you know, Ali threw a right hand that was a little bit too long.

Norton pulled away from it, the head and went a right hand counterpunch, and the crowd went crazy, according to Eddie. So this three-round sparring session, it's a historic sparring session that happened in this gym. The gym was at 78th in Hoover in Los Angeles. So before they ever fought, both these guys had this historic sparring session

in their mind. And I'm surprised Ollie went ahead with the four. fight, but he was supremely confident, you know. And this shows that styles make fights, ultimately, because Eddie Futch's fighters, Joe Fraser, and Ken Norton, you know. Ken Norton fought Ali three times, won the first one, lost the split decision and the second one that a lot of people thought he won, and then lost the decision and the third one that all those people.

I remember that one. That was the one at Yankee Stadium, right? Yes. Yeah. I remember that as I remember that fight, and I remember thinking, wow, Ali shouldn't have won that fight. No, he shouldn't have. So, Norton really, and then Joe Fraser beat Ali at one of Eddie's fighters in the first fight. And they had two close fights after that.

But then when George Foreman fought both of Eddie's fighters, Norton and Fraser, he bounced from both off the canvas. within a round or two. Down goes Frazier. You know? Yeah. So that styles make fights, literally. Um, that's it. That's so March 31st, 1973, the San Diego sports arena is where that fight was.

Uh, and Ali, if it's true that he broke his jaw, Norton broke Ollie's jaw in the second round. He went the distance. It was a 12 round fight because it was not a title fight. Um, right? Tommy, yes. Right, yes.

He went... It was for a minor title. It wasn't for the major. Yeah, but it was a 12-round fight. It was not a 15-round fight. Because he won a split decision, and it says that the fight went 12 rounds.

So Ali went and fought 10 rounds with a broken jaw. Jesus. Well, this, Ollie had exhibited in the second part of his career, a tremendous tolerance for pain. It also wound up doing them in

right, you know, years later. I mean, you know, he absorbed tremendous pain in the Norton in the informant fight. He knew he could do it. He knew he could take the punches. That's why what Fraser did in that first fight by knocking Ali down like he did. It was just amazing. Must have been a hell of a left hook to have knocked Ali off his feet. Norton winning this fight.

Yeah. Go ahead. Ali had a tremendous tolerance for pain. Yeah. Norton winning this fight. in that moment. Was it shocking? Yes. Okay. Because it's only Ali's second loss.

You know, the first one came at that point, literally two years earlier, because it was March of 71, that Frazier and Ali fought in Madison Square Garden. So Ali went and won, I'm looking at, you know, what he did after losing to Frazier, Jimmy LSCB, Buster Mathis, Yergan Blin, Mack Foster, George Chavalo, Jerry Quarry, Alvin Lewis, Floyd Patterson, Jesus, how old was Floyd Patterson in 1972? Bob Foster, Joe Buggner, and he was 41 and one going into the Norton fight. And how about this, Tommy? This is crazy.

Ali fought November 21st, 1972, then fought February 14, 1973, and then the Norton fight was literally a month and a half later. He fought Joe Buggner on February 14th, 1973, and fought Norton on March 31st, 1973. Is that even right? Can that even be right? Yeah, that can be right. I'm going to read something else to you,

if I could find it real quick in that... Man, he's... ...1976. This is months after the brutal beating he took from Fraser even though he won the fight the Thrilla and Manila. Yep.

Okay. He fought Jimmy Young on April 30th. By the way, you know where that fight was? Cap Center. Cap Center. Landover. Yep. Yes.

Yes, at the Cap Center. And Ollie won the decision, but many people thought he lost the fight. A couple months later, in June, he fought that wrestling, that Japanese wrestler, Antonio Inoki, in that bizarre circus fight,

where he suffered a lot of leg damage because basically Inoki was on his back and kicked his legs throughout the whole fight. So that's like two months later. And in a month before that, he fought Richard Dunn, some stiff over in Europe. And then September 28th,

he fought the third Norton fight. And this is in 1976, after taking the beating from Fraser in October of 75. I'm looking at the thing. I mean, I don't have the thing that you described on his fight list because it wasn't obviously a boxing match. But after, I mean, he took some time off after, you know, the Frazier-Manila fight. But not much.

But not much because he was back at it. Five months. Yeah, five months. and then it was, you know, two months and then another month and then another three or four months before the Norton fight. God, they fought a lot, so much more. I guess, I mean, boxing in the 21st century, the money was so outrageous that you only had to fight once every couple of years. Yeah. Although Floyd Mayweather apparently might be out of money.

Yes, which is no surprise to anyone who knew him. How can you go through that kind of money? Wasn't it like literally a half a billion dollars in earnings? Yeah. I mean, it's a tremendous amount of money, but he's, and he doesn't drink, he doesn't do drugs, but he gamble. He's got a gambling problem. Yes, and he lives in Las Vegas. And he, yeah.

Yes. He has a gambling problem, and he lives right next to all of the casinos. All right. I vaguely remember that fight. I remember the broken jaw part of it, and I remember that, you know, it was coming off that Frazier fight, but it's like, man, Ali in this next part of his career, he really is a warrior.

I mean, to last 10 additional rounds after having your jaw broken, I mean, you know, you're boxing, you're getting hit on that jaw over and over again, and it's broken. All right. Anything else? I got nothing else for you today, boss. All right.

We covered a lot today on the show. I think we gave everybody your money for it. I think we did okay. I'll be back tomorrow, everybody. Muhammad Ali. Yes, get Kenny Norton over here. Muhammad Ali, I am told, suffered a broken jaw in the first round.

Muhammad, will you come around here, please? Don't rub it. First of all, Kenny, congratulations. Now what do you think? Well, I say I was dead wrong and most of the country was dead wrong. You did your job and you did it well.