The Kevin Sheehan Show - Redskins Get Haskins and Sweat

Episode Date: April 26, 2019

Kevin opens the show with his thoughts on the Redskins two 1st-round picks Dwayne Haskins and Montez Sweat. Chris Cooley calls in with his thoughts. John Keim and Thom Loverro joined the show too. Kevin finished up with a Day 2 Skins' Draft preview. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. All right, we're getting this thing out early today after all of the action last night. The Redskins two first round picks for the first time since 2005. I'm here. Aaron is here. This show's presented by Window Nation. If you're in the market for Windows, call 86690 Nation or go to WindowNation.com and tell them that we told you to call. Coolie's going to call in. We had a long show with Cooney yesterday, and I appreciate all of those that listen to it. We had a great response to the show yesterday, and Aaron, I was worried because it was going to be a short window

for people to listen to it. We had to do Cooley when it was convenient for him to do it, and we didn't get it out until 1-1-15, and the draft started at 8 o'clock. So we had a short window, but a great response to yesterday's show. And by the way, while it is, outdated to a certain degree a lot of it most of it is not outdated so if you

haven't listened to yesterday's show coolly and I did two hours together something like that it was our longest show ever you can still go back and listen to it over the weekend or whenever you have time and I've sent out a few tweets with key timestamps on some of the things that we talked about that were in or we're good I thought and there a lot of it was was good in my view anyway but it's still worth listening to if you didn't get to it. But he's going to call back in here shortly. He's on his way out of town, but we're going to get his thoughts on what happened last night.

John Kime's going to call in and Tommy's going to call in as well. Anyway, the NFL draft's first round is over. And the Redskins took Dwayne Haskins at 15 and then they traded back into the first round and selected Montez Sweat, the player that I have liked more than any other going back to the middle of college football season. I cannot wait to see what Montez Sweat is in the NFL, and I am very happy that he is going to play for the Redskins at a position that they just haven't had in a long time,

and that is a true threatening edge pass rusher. More on him in a few minutes, because we have to start with Dwayne Haskins. It wasn't unexpected that they took him at 15. We all predicted it yesterday on the show that, And a lot of our, on our Wednesday show, when we had a lot of the beat reporters call in, they all, you know, we, and Aaron and I did a mock draft, everybody basically, or most of the people, actually we had a couple of D.K. Metcaps who didn't even get drafted in the first round.

A guy that Cooley was off of from the beginning, I didn't like very much either. But anyway, it wasn't unexpected that if Haskins was there, the Redskins were going to take him at 15, especially if we believed what we thought to be true and what was reported, and that was that Dan Snyder was much more involved in this draft. Diana Rusini reported it, and then Grant Paulson said that Dan Snyder is going to control the first round of this draft for the franchise. So it's not a surprise. They didn't have to trade up for him, which is a great thing.

That would have been a disaster. Remember, before the Redskins took him at 15, there were a minimum of five teams, you could argue six, that were thought to have quarterback needs, not necessarily pressing, but quarterback needs and desires. And all of those teams passed on Haskins. So trading up for him wasn't necessary to begin with, and really would have been hurtful to the franchise, in my opinion, had they done it. But they didn't have to do it.

and good for them for being patient and sitting there at 15, and getting the player of the owner and Bruce Allen wanted without having to give up assets to go get them. Now, a few things about the pick of Haskins. I'll start with this. I don't like it. From the early portion of the college football season when I saw him live at Penn State,

I was there in State College for that whiteout game, that great game between Ohio State and Penn State. And I came back here on that Monday and talked about how great Penn State home games were, and what an atmosphere it was. And I said, I'm just not a fan of Dwayne Haskins. And then as the season went on, I know that he's coming out. I know that his size and his talent is going to really wow people

and he'll probably end up being a first-round pick, but I wouldn't take him. Anyway, that's my view. But I say that as a segue into this, an admission. Who cares what any of us think when it comes to the draft? we should all admit that none of us really have any idea whether or not this will work out or not. We have opinions, but we really don't know when it comes to this thing more than anything else. Drafting players, quarterbacks in particular, it's been a crapshoot with quarterbacks for a long, long time.

Aaron, you, me, Cooley, most NFL scouts, NFL execs, we have. all have opinions. Football general managers are paid to be right about it, but when it comes to the draft, nobody gets it right 100% of the time. In fact, a good percentage for a general manager in a draft history is to basically hit on about 37 to 38% of his picks. 50-50 is phenomenal. If somebody hits on 50% of his draft choices, when it comes to quarterbacks, The hit rate, the hit rate on first round quarterbacks over a long period of time is about one in three and a half that turn out to be legitimate starting NFL quarterbacks. That's 29%. It's a 29% hit rate on first round quarterbacks.

Many times, many more times than not, I mean, it doesn't work out. Why? Well, it's a really hard position to play at an average level and much harder to be really good at it. On almost any quarterback that gets drafted in the first round of any NFL draft, there are opinions that range from love him to can't stand him to everything in between. It's the case every year on these quarterbacks, even the so-called locks, the number one overalls. I mean, no one was convinced about Jared Gough. You know, there was varying opinions on Gough, varying opinions on Jim Marcus Russell, varying opinions on Andrew Luck. Baker Mayfield. We never really agree on the college quarterbacks. And Haskins is no difference. So you can disagree with me. You can disagree with Cooley. You can

disagree with the people that don't think much of him as a number 15 pick overall. And if you are me, You know, I'm not going to discount those of you that feel really strongly that they have struck gold here. Because anything's possible. We just don't know about these young players. Some will really like them. Some aren't sure. Some of us have major reservations. Who will be right?

Nobody knows right now. No matter how strong your opinion is, none of us really know for sure. By the way, part of it is because these guys are so young. there are so many factors in almost all these cases they are still maturing psychologically and mentally and in some cases they're still maturing physically too

the coaching staff fit which we can really we can have a guess on but don't really know the mentors in the organization just so many factors that are hard to predict with any level of certainty so I'm just saying before I get to him in more detail

drafted quarterbacks come in all shape, sizes, skill levels, personalities, and all of us that watch, we all end up having opinions, and more often than not, we get it wrong on quarterbacks in particular. So with that said, I just wanted to put that out there, because I don't want those of you that hear me say that I don't like Haskins to think that I'm so definitive on this. because I'm not. I understand the draft. I understand how much of a crap shoot it is. I don't love him. You know, I just think that he's immobile. I don't think he has great natural feel in the pocket. Have I watched every play of every Ohio State game that he's ever played in? No, but I bet I've watched 80% of them, 70% of them.

Every single one of their games is on TV. And many of them are on TV. TV and a big game against a big opponent that I've ended up watching. And there were games this year. You know, the Penn State game that I was at, he was awful for two and a half, three quarters. And then in the fourth quarter, they went horizontal with the horizontal passing game, and all those playmakers just made incredible plays. He ended up with decent numbers.

They came back. They won the game. I think it was 27, 26. He had great statistical numbers, but he wasn't great that night. The game against Michigan State was painful. The teams that really pressured him, you know, he panicked at times. I thought he could have gotten picked off in the Michigan State game like two or three times. I don't even know what his final numbers were.

They punted the ball like eight times in that game. They couldn't move the football against Michigan State. But anyway, I just, I thought he was immobile. I thought he wasn't great under pressure. I thought they threw a lot sideways. He can throw the football. Don't get me wrong. Like, he can throw the football down the field.

He can take shots. He can throw with timing. You know, he can throw with accuracy. He just never looked like anything to me other than a guy that was super raw, super raw and not ready for the NFL yet. I mean, he may develop into something. I'm not going to discount that. I'm going to hope for it.

But I just didn't think that. this was a guy that was ready for the NFL. And to be honest with you, just because this guy played for the same team, I sometimes watched him and saw Cardell Jones. I know the size, you know, there's some similarity, although I think Cardell Jones was bigger or heavier. But the lack of mobility. But, you know, he can sling it, man.

He can throw it. And all of the things about his work ethic and his intelligence are all very encouraging. I thought he was very statuess, standstill, not a guy that maneuvered around in the pocket very well, and I just think that NFL pass rushes are going to be a problem for him. I don't think he's ready to play. I'll get to that in a moment, but I don't think he's ready to play. I just didn't love him.

I liked Locke more, but I didn't love Locke. I liked Jones more, but I didn't love Jones. Murray, in a second, I would have done it. too intriguing, too much upside. That would have been a no-brainer, but they weren't in play for him, obviously. I would have preferred Rosen in a trade, definitely, over Haskins. It's the way I feel. You know, there is one thing that I've mentioned that I feel most strongly about when it comes to Haskins is that he's raw and not ready.

You know, maybe with good coaching and patience, organizational, a lot of it, you know, maybe it'll prove long term that they made a really good decision. But I don't think he's anywhere near ready to play next year. And I fear, and I'm going to talk to Cooley about this, I fear that Dan and Bruce will want him to play sooner rather than later. And my guess is that Jay Gruden and the other coaches on offense will say he's not ready to play. Now, in terms of how it played out, this is what I feel I have a pretty good grasp on, Aaron. Some of this has been reported, some of this I've talked about, some of this was talked about yesterday. Haskins was not the choice at 15 for everybody in the organization.

The organization was split on this. I think the coaches thought, and some of the scouts thought that there were better players at 15 than Dwayne Haskins. that also filled more important needs. I believe that Gruden and his offensive staff actually would have preferred to have traded for Rosen than picked Haskins. I'm not sure I've said that before, but I believe that Gruden and O'Connell and others

would have preferred a trade for Rosen than to take Haskins. The organization was split. Remember, you know, Jay Gruden to J.P. Finley back in the league meetings in Arizona said about Haskins, he's a talent, but he's not ready yet. He said about Locke that Locke was more ready to play. Here are the quotes actually, rather than just paraphrasing. Jay Gruden told J.P. Finley in March, Haskins has a unique skill set, might not be ready in the first year, but has a ton of talent. About Locke, who by

the way, didn't get picked in the first round last night. Drew Locke could come in and compete right away. So Jay Gruden told you then that Haskins is more of a longer-term play. And keep in mind, Jay Gruden probably feels like, I better win this year. I need to play a guy that can help me win. And if we pick Haskins, the owner and the team president are going to want Haskins to play. And I don't think he can play. I think Keenham and Colt would give us a better chance to play.

That is, by the way, a showdown that is coming. I really believe that we are going to have some drama here as we approach training camp about the starting quarterback. The owner is saying, we just drafted this guy, you know, number 15 overall. And Case Keenham, really? Colt McCoy? And the coach is going to say, uh-uh, you want us to be competitive? he's not ready and we'd be doing him a disservice by playing him early. I really hope they're patient.

Dan and Bruce, in terms of who liked Haskins, Dan and Bruce. Could have been Doug. I know that Dan and Bruce were in on Haskins. Dan really loved Haskins. And this goes back to what I said when the season ended. Dan feels that the erosion of his fan base, you know, we can agree, disagree on what they attribute it to. I believe they attribute it to something that isn't their fault. I don't think they ever take blame for it. But he did recognize the crowd in the Philadelphia game at the end of the

year and the other crowds during the course of the year. And I said when, the day after the Philadelphia game or certainly early in January, he's going to want some offseason action. He's going to want some fun. You know, he is going to, if he's going to suck it being an owner, he might as well go back and do it the way he used to do it, and I think we're going to get that. They went for Antonio Brown from what I understand. They had interest in Golden Tate from what I understand. They had interest in C.J. Mosley. They wanted Greg Williams to be the defensive coordinator.

They signed Landon Collins. They traded for Case Keenham. That was a major need. They weren't sure they were going to get a quarterback in this draft. They had to have a quarterback just to get through OTAs. and they got Case Keenham on the cheap. But then last night, who, last night was a big night.

They got the second most visible quarterback in this draft in Dwayne Haskins, and then they traded back into the first round to take a guy that on some boards was a top five player as recently as two weeks ago in Montez Sweat. Last night was splashy. Last night is what the owner wanted. Now, I'm not saying that it was irresponsibly splashy. They had a need for a quarterback, a future quarterback.

After next year, they didn't have a quarterback on the roster. I just personally don't agree that Haskins was the way to go there. I just don't. I would have preferred a package for Rosen. The Cardinals need to trade Rosen now. We now know that they have to trade them. Look, again, we've all been wrong on these people, but Cooley didn't like them.

A lot of teams didn't like Haskins because they passed on him. But it certainly wouldn't be unprecedented if the teams that passed on him and the media people that were reviewing him got it wrong. It certainly wouldn't be unprecedented. They got a pass rusher at 26 in Montez Sweat, a guy that fell because of heart condition concerns and perhaps even more than that. You know, by the way, it's sort of similar to the John Allen.

thing, not the same kind of injury. John Allen had the shoulder arthritis and he dropped to 17. This guy was dropping and the Redskins traded up. Apparently John Gruden was going to take him at 27. They got to 26. They had to give up next year's second and this year's second to do it.

I think it's going to be worth it. They still have needs. They've got seven more picks in this draft. But they, you know, they last night was splashy, but they got a quarterback for the future and they got an edge pass rusher. One last thought on

Haskins actually. Montes-Swed, I told you about Montes-Swatt. He is explosive, he's strong, he's in every down-outside linebacker. He plays the run. He's relentless. He's high motor, and he's quick twitch off the edge. He's not Ryan Carrigan or Preston Smith. This is, you know, this is the Dwight Freeney kind of, although stronger, you know, threat from the edge. real speed playmaker on defense, a guy that I think if he reaches his potential and he's coached up, I think he's one of those guys that we're talking about, you know, at some point next year, late in the year, and certainly in 2020, a guy that defensive coordinators are game planning around. I am so thrilled with that pick. I hope he's healthy. I hope the medical,

they got the medical right. I hope they got the character issues right. on him, I hope they coach him well. I'm not a massive fan of Greg Minusky, as you know. Boy, Greg Williams with Montez Sweat. That would have been awesome with all the other defensive talent too. One last thought on Haskins. Just please don't rush him. If they rush him and he isn't ready and Jay has to play him or there's this confrontation, you know, of Jay and and Bruce and Jay and Dan, and we end up with some sort of showdown between staff and front office. That's not going to help a young quarterback like Dwayne Haskins.

You don't want him coming into dysfunction. We already know that there's a certain level of dysfunction to begin with, but we don't want it to be about him now that he's here. We don't see many teams in recent years sit first-round quarterbacks. You know, Mahomes waited, but last year, Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, am I forgetting somebody? They all played. They all started pretty quickly. Not all of them from the beginning, but eventually and pretty quickly. I don't believe that Gruden wanted this. I also will say it's not unusual for front

offices and coaching staffs and scouts to disagree. You know, that happens. But the coach should get to play, the guy he thinks should play. This is going to be interesting. It's going to be very interesting. Haskins is going to have Case Keenham and Colt McCoy and maybe even Alex Smith in the room. He's got a coach that's good with quarterbacks, the head coach. So there you go. Anyway, you know, another interesting storyline with this. Actually, one last thought before we get to Cooley. We know that the team thinks they're close, like really close. Well, if they're really close, you can't play a raw rookie quarterback and be close to too much. You know, maybe Bruce was in favor of this because it sort of furthers his,

it sort of is self-preservation. I don't know if he fears, you know, getting fired next year. If they play Dwayne Haskins next year, can Dan reasonably expect a winning season? If they play the rookie quarterback, they all. will have to reasonably under they'll have to be reasonably patient as far as wins and losses, right? Do they have to be reasonable? No, this group doesn't have to, well, they, they're just not reasonable. But if you, if they all decide in training camp, you know what, Dwayne's going to start, it's going to start against the Eagles on September 8th, he's our guy. You got to understand at that

point that more times than not when you start a rookie quarterback, it's going to be a losing season. It's going to be a losing season. You don't have anybody to throw the ball to right now for this rookie quarterback. Another Haskin subject, by the way, is just what kind of interest is he going to bring? I think Dan Snyder is thrilled with this. I think he was celebrating and pounding everybody on the back and very excited about this. And I think he thinks this is a really good business move. I think it's a major exaggeration.

I think that the intent is to be splashy to get people talking about the team and interested in the team. I just don't think it's going to translate right away. I do think, though, that the pick of Dwayne Haskins is intriguing to people. I think people are going to watch it. I think they're going to pay attention to it. I don't think they're going to buy, you know, sweets and season tickets because of it. But I think the addition last night of Haskins and sweat, people that were checked out are going to pay attention at least. Look, they're going to be on, I haven't gotten to read the

articles yet, but they're going to be at the top of everybody who had the best first day lists. I don't know if you saw the videos from the anthem and granted these might be some of the same Harvest Fest people, but they were deliriously happy when that pick came across. They went nuts. They're going to want them to play. Yeah. And Dan's going to say, did you see how excited everybody was? We got to play them. You know, I said back in January, if he's going to suck at being an owner. He might as well do it his way. Well, that's what he's doing.

You know, he's, he did not want another offseason of Kendall Reyes, Geron Johnson, and Terrence Knighton. It wasn't going to work this year, no chance. He wanted, he wanted the rush of doing things that got people talking about his football team, that got people interested.

I don't know if it's going to work in terms of the interest level, and I don't know if it's going to work on the field. I am excited about watching sweat play. And I am excited about watching Haskins to see if my gut instinct on him was right or wrong. And I don't know that we're going to know that for several years on him. I think it's going to take some time. I would be so shocked if he started on September 8th, played 16 games, and had a rookie of the year kind of season.

That would shock me. Three years from now, could he be a starter? I hope so. you spent number 15 overall on them. As far as the rest of the draft goes real quickly before we get to Cooley, Aaron, you know, there were some shocks here in the first round. I mean, the kid Feral that went to Oakland at number four, you predicted that Oakland would get crazy at number four.

You said Roshan Gary. I said a pass rusher. I just got the wrong one. Cooley said yesterday about Feral that he was so impressed with Feral. I didn't love him as an edge pass rusher. Cooley loved him as a 4-3 defensive end and said he was really impressive. And John Gruden clearly agreed in Mike Mayock, and they picked Farrell. I don't know if they could have gotten them later.

A lot of people said that that was 10 spots minimum too soon. Then the next shocker came at 6 when the Giants took Daniel Jones, and Dave Gettelman's already saying, hey, we're going to be patient with Daniel Jones because we've got Eli Manning. I don't know what that means, but they seem to be still high on Eli Manning. and I really didn't think Eli Manning had a terrible year or is a terrible quarterback. They had a terrible offensive line last year. They've had issues on that team, but it sounds like they are going to take the patient path

and give Daniel Jones a year or two or longer to watch the end of Eli Manning's career. The trade for Pittsburgh up to 10 was a costly trade to move up 10 spots. Denver moved back and they took Devin Bush, who Cooley just pips. hand here yesterday and said it would be a disastrous pick for anybody. And then Green Bay reached, I think, you know, a lot of people feel because of the production on Rishon Gary at 12th. Yeah. But I, like I said, like I said when I was talking about him, when I had him on the Raiders, all it took as one guy. You knew someone was going to fall in love with him and he'd go higher than people thought. You were right about that. I loved Lindstrom and, you know, over the last

weekend really watching a lot of tape on a lot of the guys that I thought might be there at 15. Lindstrom went at 14. He's a plug-in-play starting guard and a good one for the Falcons for the next eight to 10 years. Burns, the pass rusher from Florida State, went 16 to Carolina. The Giants with their next pick took Dexter Lawrence. Philly traded into the first round, up into the first round and took the offensive lineman from Washington State. Andre Dillard, the Cowboys, so everybody knows, didn't have a first round picking. And the Giants were back into the first round late and took DeAndre Baker, the corner from Georgia. You know, the other surprises, you know, did anybody see Titus Howard from Alabama State going in the first round?

I actually like, I didn't know if you'd go first round. I really liked him. And I know that he started to really impress in some of the time. How about L.J. Collier? I watched him play at TCU. There's a guy, the outside pass rusher at TCU, Benagu, who I like, who I think could be a pick in the fourth, you know, third, fourth or fifth round for somebody as a pass rusher. And they picked Collier there. All right, quick read on Window Nation, and then we will bring in Chris Cooley. Have you started a spring checklist? You know, does the hose work? lawnmower does it work how about windows you should go around your house look at your windows after this long winter if you're struggling to get them open if you've got a window that's cracked if a window is fogging up it may be time for new energy efficient windows from window nation take advantage of their

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Askins were on the board at 15, the team would take Dwayne Haskins. They did. Tell everybody why you're not in favor of it. Well, Kevin, I think that Haskins is a massive project. I think that Haskins was probably going to be available as you went further through the draft. I also would have been interested in the Rosen trade at that point. It's not like I have a problem with Haskins, and it is funny. and if you tweet anything about Haskins, you are going to take an ambushing on Twitter. I don't have a problem with who Haskins is as a person.

I just didn't particularly think he was a great quarterback at the level he was at. Didn't throw with great anticipation. Didn't utilize a ton of NFL passing concepts. Didn't throw the ball vertically down the field. I think someone tweeted me a stat that in his Michigan game, which we talked about earlier on your podcast today. I said he completed one route for nine out of 11 times for 220 plus yards. None of the throws, only one of the throws was more than 10.

Right. In that same game, that Michigan game, he was 5 of 10 for throws over 10 yards down the field for like 120 yards out of his 4756. So, I mean, there's not, like, I think he's got a lot of work to do. It's just, I think he's the starting quarterback in week one. So that's where it gets interesting because I, you know, I don't disagree with anything that you said. And I'm concerned that he is a potential long-term solution, you know, with good coaching. Potentially, he does develop into something that's great. And they, Dan and Bruce and the people that made this decision may ultimately prove all of the naysayers wrong.

And not everybody's a naysayer, but my concern is that they won't be patient with this. And if they're not patient. Yeah, no, I'm totally with you. And here's my concern as well is one of the biggest steps for a rookie quarterback is truly grasping that offense in the first year to be able to take that next step in the second year. one of the biggest mistakes for a rookie quarterback is to move on to a new offense within a year. So you're hoping that either the Red seems have great success or he doesn't spend very much time on the field this year. But I don't think that's the case, man. I think it's a splash move.

I do. I mean, I think he ends up playing quick. It's funny that you say that. And I don't disagree with you. I hope that you're wrong and that I'm wrong. and that the coaches essentially get to develop him and play somebody who perhaps in case Keenham may be more ready or even Colt McCoy. And, you know, it's not like Haskins is facing, you know, Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rogers's competition. I mean, it's not like the competition is overwhelmingly a prohibitive favorite, even if it went in as a legitimate competition.

but if he's not ready, we both now, I think, fear the same thing. But what's interesting is when I mentioned Rosen to you, when the whole Rosen thing first came up, and I said, well, if they make that trade, he's starting week one. And you argued that with me. So why do you feel differently about Haskins that Haskins was picked to start? If they were to make a trade for Josh Rosen, it would have been a second and third or a second in next year's third. and potentially plus. There's some splash to that move,

but that's not a move that dictates you play a player. I guess theoretically you could play Ace Keenum for a couple games, but there's no way our fan base is going to stand for that. I guess that's going to put enormous pressure on everybody in the situation. You can't not play him unless he's god-awful in training camp and preseason. Rosen with us second and a third, I think you have a fair competition there. there's a lot that goes on to drafting Duane Haskins, a local kid that has

that everyone's saying went to Dan's kids high school, which isn't true because he went there five years ago when Dan's kid was at Georgetown Prep. But there's so much surrounding Haskins that our fan base is going to cling on to and grasp to that wasn't going to happen with Rosen. And it's not going to happen with Keenham, too. And by the way, he was better at Ohio State than Rosen was at UCLA.

I mean, he had more success. Well, he had more talent, too. And here's the thing that's crazy, and this is the thing that's going to be really hard for everybody to understand. Like, nobody understands this. He had 50 touchdowns and eight interceptions. And look at his yard. How is he not the best? Statistically, he's the best.

But he's not the best right now. He's got a lot of work to do. But nobody wants to get past those underlying stats and say that, you know. I think some in our fan base understand the difference between stats at a place like Ohio State and, you know, and whether or not that that really translates to him being ready. I think you only understand stats when you're watching a team. So I think some of those in our fan base who maybe, actually I should say that, but everyone on Twitter that said that they're on Ohio State fan and I should have watched all the games,

which, by the way, I did watch every single game. said that I didn't watch the games, and I said, well, I don't know what you were watching. Yeah, well, you... So I don't like it. They don't. Like, I feel like if you watch something, like a lot of people when they watched Kirk knew that his stats were, or felt inflated. Look, Ohio State, the football, the football, the football fan base is arguably the most rabid of any sports fan bases in this country and also the most simultaneously delusional at times. So I wouldn't worry about what a bunch of Buckeye fans on Twitter are saying to you.

I'm not, no, no, no, no, trust me. I'm not worried about it. I was just thinking for a second when you watch something, you have a good feel, but I prove myself wrong. You know what? Let's just stop all this, okay? I hope the best for Duane Haskins. You do, too, because we're both Redskins fans. I'm not rooting for him to fail.

I'm rooting for him to have great success. in all honesty I want to say to everybody a year from now or two years from now or whatever it is I was completely wrong and he grew up and I didn't expect the growth that he had I'd love to say that

because I want to have him win and I want to have the team have success I'm not I'm not hating because I'm not hating because I'm telling you my honest feelings about where I think he is right now that's not hating that's me telling you what I think is the truth but I hope he has success.

If I said to you, I hope he fails, that's hating. Of course. Look, one of the things I said before I had you on is that when it comes to quarterbacks in the draft, nobody, including team execs, general managers, coaches, scouts are ever right even 50% of the time when it comes to this position in the draft. So everybody's got opinions.

We've all got opinions. And more times than not on this particular position, as it relates to first-round quarterbacks, we're usually wrong. Listen, I think I'm right. I'm just telling you right now that I thought I was right a month ago when I started saying this, that I went back and watched it again and thought I was right two weeks ago, that I went back and did it with more people and thought I was right yesterday. And I still think I'm right.

I just hope that I'm not. And I think that's fair to say. It's not like I don't want to be right. But I think I am. It's totally fair. Back to one other thing real quickly. See, there's this predicament here of, you know, Bruce and, you know, in Dan, really Bruce, because Dan doesn't speak, talking about how close they are to winning.

Now, if you play a rookie quarterback who is raw, who, by the way, has one year of full season starting experience in college, If you start that rookie quarterback who you and I both agree, you know, perhaps can develop but isn't ready right now, then you and you decide you're going to play them, then you better understand that you've got to be patient as far as wins and losses go. So there is that we think we're so close, and yet they drafted a guy that you believe they want to play, Dan wants to play, week one. the coaching staff may not feel like he wants to play or that he's ready to play week one. But if Dan... So stop yourself right there.

You'll know exactly who makes the decision. Yeah. Although, again, the competition isn't super stiff. Yeah, Case Canem is a pretty good player. You and I disagree on that. I think he's okay. I don't think it's like, you know, that is certain... He's going to run your offense.

Look, you know what? I'm glad. Case Keenham and Alex Smith and Colt McCoy are all potential people that could be there to help develop this quarterback. It's not a bad situation for him to be in. Also, by the way, I heard that. I heard Lewis Riddick talking about that on ESPN. He didn't want to develop doing Haskins. Wait, say that again. Who said it? I said I heard Lewis Riddick talking about it. That this is a great fit for Haskins because he's in a spot where Alex will be there every day. And Case Keenum and Cole McClure are good dudes. None of them want any part of a

quarterback. Yeah, right. Let's be completely honest here. Well, Case Keenham. Alex is not going to be there. He doesn't have to be in, especially with another quarterback. It might be in and out. Colt has been dying to play forever and hasn't played.

And Keenham is now in his third team in three years. None of them want another quarterback. This was dread for all three quarterbacks on the Redskins roster. You know what? That's a really good point. That's a really good point. I'm sorry that I actually agreed with Lewis Redick if he said that. I was just thinking that Gruden's a good quarterback guy.

O'Connell might be a good quarterback guy. Alex Smith is never going to play again. If he's around the building, we know that Mahomes swears by Alex Smith in the year that he spent with Alex Smith. And that's really what I was thinking about more as it related to Alex Smith. But you're right. They can ask him to restructure the deal to what, like, the Brett Farve deal was going to be when Green Bay wanted him to say and say,

pay $2 million a year to basically coach this kid for the next eight years. Right, right. Case Keenham and Colt McCoy aren't very happy tonight. But they're both great dudes. Yeah. And they'll certainly be fine around him, but no one's happy about this. Real quickly, because I know you've got to run. They traded back up, and they got the guy that I've loved all year long,

and I hope he's healthy, and I hope the reason that he fell was more, you know, health-related than anything else related. but hopefully the medical clears, but I love this guy. It's not just the medical. It wasn't just the medical. They said some things tonight in watching the broadcast that I did not know before. Mort had a report essentially that said that his coaches told Mort that he's not the, you know, basically paraphrasing, he's not necessarily the easiest guy in the world to coach,

that you got to coach him delicately. But his talent, man, I loved watching him. loved watching that Mississippi State defense, and I think he's a legitimate outside linebacker and a rush, speed rush, power rush, all of it combined, outside rush threat. If you can put together in 13 games, an 11-sack season, which essentially is going to be a 15-sack season, I'll coach him with a feather. Right. You know what I mean?

Like, okay. I'll bake cookies for him every day. Yeah. What do you want? What do you want? Ginger Stamps today? Yeah, I can do the little lines with the fork. Sure.

Yeah, I like sweat a ton. I like that pick. I liked moving up. I didn't care about giving up this year's second, next year second. I think he's a big-time player. I'm assuming they're sure on the hard issue. He also had some of the issues of Michigan State as well, so there was some of that stuff early.

but um dude can get after the past he's probably i mean there's bo there's bosa there's cleveland feral who i love you got you got that one right you said yesterday that you loved cleveland feral and that and nobody had him anywhere near number four and john gruden took him four i don't know if he could have gotten him later um but the bottom the bottom line is you think they got a really good player yeah i do but i think that other than Bosa, that sweats the guy that could be most like Khalil Mack. Yeah, me too. Me too. I like Brian Burns a ton as well, and I think Brian Burns is going to be a very good player

in this league, and you wouldn't have went wrong with that. Burns went at 16 to Carolina. I just, let's just play this one game really quick. Where was Haskins going to go? If the Redskins didn't take him? You take sweat at 15, where's Haskins going to go to? You know, maybe Denver at 20, but I don't think that they, you know, after they made that trade, I think that they were thinking they are good with Flacco.

They drafted the tight end, which Flacco needs. He loves tight ends. So maybe it wouldn't have been Denver. It's a good question. I don't know. I mean, I'm sitting here with my buddy on the charge. The Chargers at 28? No.

And here's why, and I thought about it. Because Philip Rivers is 37 years old at the most. I'm 36. We're the same class. So maybe 36. If he wants to play five more years, we don't live in time frames in the NFL of more than five years. And draft a quarterback to play five years after Philip Rivers wants to play. And I'll bet they have a sense of that.

Would the Patriots are taking him at 32? No. I think the Patriots, by the way, that was a brilliant move by the Patriot, which we can get to. So what are you saying? He wouldn't have gotten picked in the first round? Well, it's really interesting when you get these quarterbacks that don't get picked in the first 20 picks. Like, where was he going to go in the last 12 picks? Look, the bottom line, and I've already said this,

five to six teams who had perceived quarterback needs passed on him before the Redskins took him. Five to six teams passed on him, and then you were going to get, and the thing is that you were going to wrap to one, and Arizona had Murray, San Francisco's not taking anybody, the Giants have gotten there a guy, which is another massive mistake, in my opinion. Ken Hill Jones is six.

I think the Giants had a shit draft. How about that? I think the Raiders had a great draft, but I think the Giants had a shit draft. I'm interested to watch Daniel Jones. I mean, I would never have taken him at 15. No, I wouldn't have taken him? Here's the thing. They could have got him at 17.

He was going to go to 17. I wonder if he would have gone to 17. I wonder that if it had been Daniel Jones, if one of those teams that had perceived quarterback needs, like whether it was Denver at 10 before they made the trade or Cincinnati or Miami, I wonder if the Giants knew that one of those teams was interested in Daniel Jones. Well, I mean, we talked about it today. It's the perfect transition away from Eli, because Eli can feel completely comfortable with him, behind him.

I think some of it had to do with that pandering to Eli. He gets his little brother there for the next two years, and Eli will train him and teach him, and then it'll all be happy Utopia there with Gettleman. But I don't think it's a great big. But back to your thing, I didn't even think about that. If the Redskins hadn't taken Haskins at 15, who was going to take him in the first round? Where is he going to go? Again, Denver at 20, possibly.

But I don't think so. I think if Denver really wanted a quarterback, they would have taken... Would the Raiders have taken him? No. John Gordon hates rookie quarterbacks. He never won with rookie quarterbacks. He doesn't want to... He won Super Bowls with Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson. Then if you say no on the Chargers and the Patriots, he wouldn't have gone in the first round.

See, I think the Patriots got the guy that they got the guy they wanted. because they took Nikiel Harry from Arizona State. He fits their M.O. They needed a receiver badly. And by the way, they knew Arizona was going to take that guy tomorrow the first pick of a second round. Yeah. Real quickly, before you run, the Redskins don't have a second rounder now, but they do have two third rounders, including that compensatory pick.

I mean, I know you've looked at a lot of different players, and we don't have any clue as to who will be there and who won't. I still think that safety and wide receiver two positions they're going to look for before Saturday, which means two of them are going to play Haskins for one second this season, you need to get him another receiver. Well, you may have to trade up to get one that's a real impact guy. Then go trade up and get Paris Campbell right now.

Get him a guy that he's comfortable with. If you're going to commit to him, commit to him. Trade up and get Paris Campbell. You know, if you're going to do that, see if Urban Meyer wants to coach the team next year. And that other assistant coach, Right. Yeah.

Have a good trip. Have a fun trip. Yeah. Thanks, buddy. All right, thanks. Again, let me just reemphasize. I actually am rooting for the kid. I know you are.

And I'll find a way. I'll find a way to root. Don't let those people. Don't let those people. I'm just telling you. I'm rooting for the kid. It just wasn't the pick I would have made. It wasn't the pick I would have made either.

But I mean, that's just being honest. All right. Have a good trip. Talk to you. See you. All right. Let's go from Cooley to John Kime. John was out there all night.

long last night as the Redskins made two first round selections. Let's talk about Haskins first. Give me your overall thoughts on how this pick was made, who was, you know, leading the charge for Haskins, what the reaction was just the whole night around first Haskins. We'll get to sweat next. Well, with Haskins, you know, I still would say that there's a split inside that building as far as, you know, how they view him and where they see him going and whether or not he was the best value at that pick. I think when Daniel Jones went number six overall, that took away the only other quarterback option for them in the first round, considering that Murray was already gone.

The question you had was would they trade for Josh Rosen? Now, all along I'd heard that they would be interested if Arizona called them. So I always thought that that was on the table. Jay Gruden said that there was no discussions with Arizona. So, you know, they weren't going to initiate that, but I think if Arizona had called and said, hey, take them for a third, maybe they would have.

But it certainly seemed like there were some in the building who definitely wanted to get Haskins. You know, I say that not just because of what recent reports have said, but because that's something that's consistent with, what I, with what you would hear from the beginning. Now, you know, some of the stuff's like, well, is it accurate or is or not? And then it turns out later that, yeah, that is accurate. So I think there was that desire.

Listen, if you're the coaching staff, and I don't know how the split would break down with all the coaches, but this is the coaching staff that needs to win. And Jay Gruden talked about needing to be patient with, with Haskin. This is a coaching staff that isn't going to get a lot of patience. So, you know, you wonder, but that leads into the next pick that we're going to talk about. So you wonder how really kind of going across in that building. All right. Well, look, I think that, and I think you have a sense of this,

that the owner and Bruce 2, to a certain extent, that they were all in on Dwayne Haskins. Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely. And Dan was probably pretty fired up when Haskins dropped. all the way to 15 and was glad to get this done. At the same time, let's just assume that at least other people, how many? I don't have an exact count. Maybe you don't either. But some would include coaches were probably not in favor of drafting Dwayne Haskins at 15.

And that could create an issue where, you know, Jay's talking about patience. I think he understands that Haskins is a – I don't want to – Project almost sounds demeaning. That's the wrong description. but he is not a guy that right now, I think most would say, is ready to play right away. Will Dan and Bruce, Dan in particular, have patience and defer to the coaching staff when it comes to who should start when the season starts in September? I think it's hard, you know, obviously Kevin, it's hard to answer that right now. I think if he came in as a day one starter, I would,

would be surprised. And so I think if you're Gruden and you're going to, I'm sure this discussion will be had, you're going to have to tell us like, we have to start Case Keenum or Col McCoy because the kid's just not ready. If you put him out there before he's ready, damage can be done. And I think that has to be explained to the owner if that's what he's, if that's what he would be asking. I don't think, I mean, you would hope.

that he would leave it up to the coaches. You would hope that before they make the pick, they would tell him, Dan, okay, we're taking this guy, but you've got to understand. It's going to take this, this, and this, to get him to the point where he can help us win games. And so if that's properly communicated, if you understand, I think the question will be if,

and this is where I think that it really comes. I think it will be easy for Snyder if you're going through the summer and it's like, and, you know, you can be patient in August, but the key will be if you get off to a slow start, I think that's where you're going to have to hold off the owner maybe a little bit. And this is obviously, I don't know for sure, but like that's when the challenge would come. Because if you're two and three or one in four, let's say,

and he's going to go and say, why won't we just play Haskin? Well, then you're going to have to have some strong reasons. Why not? and I think that's where you start to, that's where you could see potential for conflict. Yeah, I mean, I think since that Philadelphia game and maybe even before then, but definitely at that Philadelphia game, I think that his mindset has changed. I think he wanted action. I think he wants to stir it up again.

And, you know, the bottom line is, is him and Vinny didn't get it done and deferring to Bruce didn't get it done. so he might as well go back to trying to make some splashes. And last night was a splashing night. I don't know if it's going to sell any tickets, but at the very least, there is going to be intrigue, and people are going to pay attention to watch this guy play. And by the way, I think they'll watch the other guy sweat play too. They'll want to see how good he is.

But to watch this guy play requires him to be on the field. But if he's on the field, that's not good for Jay more likely than not. unless somehow they all of a sudden get this patience and say, hey, you're not going to be judged on wins and losses. You're going to be judged on the development of our future starting quarterback. And that's true. Now, there are a couple of things with it, too. I mean, as far as, like, Dan goes this,

I think if they had traded up to get him, now you're looking at a big, bold move. And I don't think staying at 15 and taking him is necessarily a bold move. I don't, you know, I think his value is around that area. Now, you can argue that would you be better off, let's say, trade, you know, at that point drafting a Brian Burns or even sweat at 15 and then maybe using a pick to trade for Josh Rosen and going that way. But I don't think it's a big reach to take half at that spot.

So I think you can justify that. And when you listen to it's funny because there is, Kevin, as you know, and this organization is a split on him, but there's a split on him in many, many places. And there are some people who absolutely love him. And I know, I know Chris is not a big fan, but

then you listen to guys like Dan O'Loskey, Lewis Riddick, they love him. Yeah, but there were at least five teams that had a perceived quarterback need that passed on him. I know. And that's, right. And it's funny because Daniel Jones was the opposite. Right. A lot of people outside there

were enamored with him, but people in the league seem to be more enamored with him. And the Giants, like I started hearing at the owner's meeting that he would be that, that some people thought he'd be the second quarterback taken. Cooley, John Cooley just pointed something out to me, and I didn't think about this, and maybe you did. If the Redskins hadn't taken Haskins at 15, who would have? I don't know where he goes.

Exactly. Yeah. We were talking about that, Kevin. I have the same thought. If they don't take him, where does he end up? because you start thinking, that's a big, look at Drew Locke, that's a big slide. And, you know, it's funny because you asked, like, you know, I think we were, I'm almost going to talk about, like,

when you thought he might be available to the Redskins. And I thought once my gut told me that he was, that he might, I started thinking that he might slide a few weeks ago. Just based on what you're hearing, it's like, if people are, you know, some of the stuff you hear, it's like, I don't know if he's going to go top 10. And then over the last couple of days, you start looking at boards and all that. I'm like, I don't think this team is going to take them. And I don't think the dolphins are going to take them.

So it was really like maybe one or two teams that you thought might take them. And when the Giants took Daniel Jones, I thought he's going to end up in Washington. And they're not going to have to trade up. So I just didn't think anybody was going to trade up to get them. And I didn't think those teams sitting there were going to go after. just based on what you would hear and the way, you know, and it played out that way. Well, once Denver traded 10, then it was either Cincinnati or Miami, and when they didn't do it, then, you know, to Cooley's point and to your point, too, because it sounds like you thought about it,

the only team, I mean, Denver could have taken him at 20, but clearly Denver is fine with Flacco, and they drafted the tight end that Flacco always relies on, is throwing to a tight end, and he drafted Noah Fant at 20. But let's just say that Haskins had been there at 20. Maybe Denver, or you may have gotten a Miami or a Cincinnati to trade back into the first round, possibly, to draft him later. But yeah, the way the board set up, there was no guarantee that he was going to be taken. I threw out the Chargers.

Cooley doesn't think that the Chargers would have taken him, and he definitely doesn't. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you there. No, no, go ahead. I had the same thought, too. I wondered about a team like that where you say, listen, if this kid's going to take a few years, we have a few years. So because you have a guy already in place for the next couple of years.

So that's where maybe you see it. But, you know, and I had a hard time seeing him get out of the first round because I think he has first round talent. But, you know, I just, I think the hard, the real, real hard part with him is you would like for just to feel, For Tuesday, you have felt better about taking him, they would have wanted to see the progression. I think he was a – like, Kyler Murray, you know that he needs work, but you also know that he has skills that translate right now the NFL because of that his ability to run.

And that gives him – you know, you can look at Lamar Jackson late in the year. Lamar Jackson has a ways to go as a passer, but look at the impact he had because he's mobile. And with Haskins, the issue was he's a pocket passer who needs to clean up the pocket mechanics. And, you know, he can move a little bit better. He moves better than what people think. But you know, and you know how like Tom Brady is not a great runner, but he's a good, he maneuvers well in the pocket. But with Haskins, it's, you know, footwork, it's the anticipation skills. It's the, you know, there's sometimes you get that wind up.

So those are all things they're going to have to work on to get him to that point. The one thing I know about him from having written a story on him for ESPN.com earlier this month was that the kid is a worker. And he seems to be a smart kid. So that gives you some hope that there is talent there, and you hope that if you get that and you get some patience, not just by the coach, but by the owner that he gets put in a good situation. Look, you're an Ohio State fan.

you've watched every game. It's hard not to watch a lot of Ohio State games, no matter where you live in this country. I went to State College, and I saw that game in State College, and that was a lot of sideways throws to a lot of playmakers in the fourth quarter that got it done. You know, the Michigan State game where you had a really good defense, and they got after them all day. It seemed to be problematic for him. I was never a fan from the get-go from the beginning of this college football season, but as I said to Cooley, in Willie and I talked about this yesterday, and I talked about it at the beginning of the podcast. When it comes to quarterbacks, we all have opinions and we're all usually wrong, as are the NFL people when it comes to first round quarterbacks. They don't get it right 70% of the time. They get it right like 30% of the time. So we'll see. I just hope that they have patience. And with his owner now being back in a new mindset, I believe, I question whether or not he'll have that patience. Real quickly, two more things before I let you run. one, do you think going back into the first round and getting sweat was also this desire to

continue with, you know, splash? And it's, you know, it's more than splash. These are needs that are being met too. But, but was it, was it splash or was it also maybe a bit of a, hey, not everybody agreed with Haskins at 15. You guys wanted sweat at 15. We got you sweat too. Yeah, no, I think this is a good move because I mean, I know there were questions about the heart diagnosis and all that. Now, he said, and Jay Gruden said that the further, you know, the Redson doctor checked him out, said he was fine. Houston, Texas checked him out and said he was misdiagnosed with that heart condition. If that's the case, I think he's a terrific pick at there. And now, you know, I'm okay giving that up because you, they gave up a pick for next year.

I think right now that's okay. He does help you right now. And it's funny, Kevin, because, you know, throughout this draft process, I try to watch guys I think will be available to the Redskins. And Montes Sweat was a top five, top ten pick the whole time when they get him. This guy's not getting there. There's no way. So I'm not going to waste a lot of time on him.

And I thought, well, you know what, I need to watch him because I need to compare him to others to see where they are compared to him, et cetera. And, you know, so I'm glad I did because, I mean, the kid is, he's obviously a very good player. And he plays with some violence. I mean, I'm a big Brian Burns fan, but this kid is an all-around player. He's got the length. He's, I like the effort. He shows. You know, I remember there was a down, they're down 24-0-0 in Alabama.

The kid still spreading the ball. So, still, yeah, and so, like, that stands out to me, and his bull rush is strong. He plays with some violence. And so I like that. And as long as he, the heart truly isn't an issue and, you know, whatever other issues he had with the suspension of Michigan State, I don't know what happened there. But as long as that's fine, I think he's a really good pick for them. I do, too. Last question.

What are they looking for tonight? They've got two third rounders tonight. What do you think they're looking for? Well, they still need a receiver. There's no doubt about that. Can they trade up and get Paris Campbell for them? Get that mess route, those mess concepts going again. Right.

Listen, for me, that would be fun to watch. I know. You know, they need a receiver. There is really good depth there. What you heard all along is that depth spilled into the third round. So I think they'll look for a receiver. The other spots, clearly, they need some more help inside. And if you're going to have a pocket passer like Haskin, you need to make sure that pocket is really strong.

And so I think that's another area they could go. And then, you know, other, I mean, after that, I mean, you're anything inside linebacker. I think they could still use another body there. You know, defensive back, safety. There's some good safety depth in that area. That's another spot you could look at too. Thank you for doing this. Really appreciate it.

I'll talk to you soon. All right, Kevin. All right, thanks to John Kime. Listen to the John Kime report. He's got a podcast. It's great. You can get it anywhere you get a podcast, Apple Podcast, Stitcher, iTunes, Spotify, all of them, the John Kime report. All right, let's bring in Tommy, who is up early on this Friday morning to talk to us on the podcast. Well, what did you think of their draft? They didn't get just one player. They got two. They got Dwayne Haskins and Montez Sweat. I'm sure you were at it last night with all. all the people on Twitter, would you think? Well, you know, before I came on here, I took my medicine. Okay, the medicine I have to take in order to try to talk about this franchise, like other people talk about this franchise. It's a special kind of medicine, you know?

I mean, I call them stupid pills, but I don't really want to denigrate it. It's too long of a name. I can't even pronounce it. All right. What's your, I don't want you to take it. Don't want you to have to take the pills. I took the medicine, and you know what? It looks like a win.

It's like a double win. Okay. But it does. I mean, it does. You have to admit, it kind of does. They got the quarterback they wanted. They got the quarterback. Well, they got the quarterback that the owner wanted.

And people seem to be excited about that. And then they got a pass. Here's what they did. Either they got the quarterback of the future and a dominant pass rusher or Dan Snyder's son's high school buddy and a guy with a bad heart. Right. I don't even know if he was his high school buddy, but his high school classmate. And then we hope, boy, you know what, of those two situations,

I really hope Montez Sweets' heart is healthy. Yeah. Look, if he's as good as he looks and he's healthy, they're going to have a dominant front line. Yeah. They're going to have a dominant front line, which I pointed out, will be great for the new defensive court. Oh, that's right.

They didn't get somebody to take the job away from Greg Minnowski. Right. No, they didn't. No, it's still Minusckey. No one else wanted that job. You know, on the surface, I mean, you know, at first glance, it looks like they had a big night. And if I was a Redskins fan, it had been on this medicine for a long time,

I would say, yeah, we're cooking with gas, baby. Where are my tickets? I'm reading your tweets from last night, and this is my favorite. Somebody tweeted to you and Jason Reed. Curious to hear the haters, Tom Leverro, Jason Reed, among others, evaluate Brusifer on this first round. Seems like he played it perfectly, and you retweeted it with a comment. Listen up, the Redskins are not an NFL franchise.

They are the elephant graveyard of the league where careers go to die. They have the aura of self-destruction. Still curious? That was pretty much the way things went all night. Yeah, I'm following it right now. You were in it last night. Yeah, I was. You were in it.

I mean, I was, you know, that's why I took my medicine before, because I wasn't medicated then. But I'm medicated now, and it looks like full steam ahead. You know what? I'm just as excited as Jay Gruden is about coaching Dwayne Haskins. All right. You know, I wish you can just drink a lot of water and see if you can wash the effect of the medication out. Because I want to have a real conversation with you because I think, you know, I'm not real happy with the pick of Haskins.

I didn't think Haskins was worth taking at any point in the first round. And I would have much preferred, if they were going to go get a quarterback, I would have much preferred Josh Rosen. I would have preferred actually Jones or Locke to Haskins. But what I said at the beginning of the podcast, and it's true, you know, nobody knows on this draft. Exactly. People who get paid to do it are wrong more times than they're right.

So, that's the thing, that's why I find so comical about. So let's get to, let's get to something that we can predict. What we can predict, because I think I know this for near fact, the owner is really, really happy about this. This was what he wanted. He, this, Dwayne Haskins pick was not a consensus organization pick. This wasn't one of those where they said, we all got together and we put. we put the Redskins grade on it, and we just followed the board. This was the Dan Snyder, Redskins pick.

I don't think the coaching staff was necessarily in favor of it. I think Bruce may have been in favor of it, and maybe Doug too. But because of that, the real drama, the stuff that you live for, is ahead of us, because Dan's going to want Dwayne Haskins to play. Oh, yeah. He's going to want him to play, and he's going to want him to play much sooner than later, if not right away. And Dwayne Haskins, even the people that evaluated him that you might actually believe in, said, look, you're going to have to be patient with him. He's got a lot to develop.

He's not a finished product. He's got, it'd be perfect if he went to a place where he could sit behind somebody for a year, which by the way doesn't happen a lot anymore. You know, Mahomes got to do it, but more times than not, these rookie quarterbacks in the first round, they pull play. They get drafted and they play right from the get-go, and if it's not right from the get-go, it's pretty soon. Like Josh Rosen didn't start the season, but he was starting pretty soon. Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, all of them, Mayfield. You know, Mahomes is now the aberration where you wait and you develop, you know, you sit behind somebody for a year. Not the norm. So I just think that the drama this summer over Dan saying, you know what, there were a few years there where I didn't

own like I did back in the, you know, in the Vinny days. But now we need to get this business rolling again. And I, you got to, I mean, look at Case and Colt. Seriously, you're going to tell me that my guy can't beat those two guys out. And there's going to be a lot of pressure on Jay to play Haskins sooner than later. I'll tell you what, Tommy Cooley said this to me. Cooley said, you'll know if Haskins is starting opening day, Dan forced it, period. Cooley doesn't think there's any chance that this guy would be ready for opening day to start an NFL game over Case Keenham or Colt McCoy. Well, here's the thing.

I mean, Dan Snyder isn't a blitterant idiot. His ego may get in the way of his intelligence. But if he really is devious enough to say, I want my guy to play this year, he doesn't push Haskins to be the opening for week one starter. I mean, because let's face it, the first five weeks of the Redskins franchise is like a gauntlet. The schedule? Yeah, the schedule. It's a gauntlet.

I mean, so, I mean, if Dan's smart, if Snyder's smart, he's not putting that kid out there knowing that he will just be set up to go O and five, and people will be tearing their hats and jerseys right off their backs in the stance. Oh, God. You know what's hysterical, actually, is when you think about it, he's probably not, he looks more like a guy that needs time, but the competition isn't that stiff. It's not like Case Keenham and Colt McCoy. I know you love Colt, but shouldn't be that hard to beat out anyway. I know.

I know, but I just think that if Snyder plays this smarter, he waits until they're one in five or two and six, and he says to Jay, he says, okay, now put my boy in. I think that I don't know how many tickets that Dwayne Haskins will sell. My sense of it is it's going to take a lot more than Dwayne Haskins and Montez Sweat and Landon Collins and, you know, resigning Adrian Peterson to bring people back to the stadium. I do think that last night created some intrigue that did not exist about this team before last night. And I'm talking about from the fan base, the eroded part of the fan base that has checked out, you know, they're watching the NFL draw. They took Haskins? Okay.

They took Montes. All right. Well, I'm going to at least see what they look like to see if they can play. Yeah, it did. It did. But I got to tell you, in playing with the mice on Twitter tonight like I was doing, I'm surprised sometimes at how much support I get. It's more than ever.

Oh, yeah, of course. And that's a change. Oh, I don't even know if that. It's funny because when I've been negative on the show or on Twitter, five to one the support for what is more really, in my view, it's subjective, is a realistic view. Five to one in support of that versus the people that would say, man, Wendy, man, you really turned into a hater. Well, how did that happen? I love the people that blame it on me not working at the radio station anymore.

You don't work for the, you've changed completely. No, I actually haven't. But anyway, all right, well, it sounds like you're really optimistic. Yes. Yes, I am. I'm very optimistic. Hold on a second. Let me get a drink of water. I got to pop another pill. Yes, I'm very happy. And you know what? It's just starting. Don't they have a whole bunch of picks left? Well, they got two third rounders tonight, and then they got, you know, some picks, a bunch of picks on Saturday. They got seven picks, seven picks left. The party just started. It just started. Before I let you run, just your quick thoughts because you weren't on with me yesterday about the Caps.

Well, again, I wrote this in my column last night. They didn't lose that series. They didn't wind up getting kicked out of the playoffs in the first round in that Wednesday night loss. They lost it a couple of a week or two after they won the Stanley Cup when they refused to pay Barry Trott's what he was. worth. I mean, what you saw there was the cheapness of Ted come to surface. You had a rookie coach who was out-coached most of the series. The Capitals talked about the response that they had last year and how they learned from that. Well, they responded to Barry Trots. They didn't respond to Todd Reardon as the head coach. There's a big difference. Rod Lindemore, who was also a rookie

head coach, who had been an assistant in Carolina, said something very interesting at the press conference Wednesday night. He admitted, sometimes when you're a first-year head coach, you know, you really don't know if you're doing it right. Well, I don't think Barry Trott has those doubts anymore. So I just think that Ted paid the price. It's not a huge price because he's got the Stanley Cup as cover, and fans can take soul is in that. It's not that removed from those fond memories, but, you know, I mean, it's a

missed opportunity. It's a missed opportunity to do more. And what wouldn't it be hilarious, if Trott somehow gets the island? Yeah, I'm sort of rooting for him to do well. I think I agree with you. I just don't know enough to know that it really made a coaching difference. But with that said, how do you nickel and dime the guy that brought you the thing that you wanted so much and were so close but couldn't get to for so long? You won the freaking Stanley Cup and over a few nickels, literally, you're not going to bring back the coach that led your team there. You should have given them a piece of a team for God's sake, let alone pay them. Yeah.

But, but, but, so that's, that my point is, is that, you know, listen, George McPhee took a lot of heat when he was general manager for, you know, never getting beyond the second round in the old Vescan era. But the fact is that George McPhee was never able to hire an NHL coach with NHL coaching experience because Ted was too cheap to pay them. Two things, actually, before I let your run, because I just noticed this. I got something for you.

Okay, because I just noticed this on your Twitter timeline. The RG3 tweet. Oh, my God. And you retweeted it. He had that ready to go. Oh, my God. It was seconds after the Redskins made the bet. Let me read this to those that have not heard it.

Robert Griffin III, right after the Redskins picked Dwayne Haskins, tweeted out the following. You didn't draft the young man for nothing. You did it because you believe in the young man. You did it because you need a quarterback. Don't give up on him prematurely. He is your investment. Give the kid time to prove himself.

Congrats, young gun. Enjoy every second of it. Oh. So shameless. Oh, my God. So shameless. So, so, so, so, so, so shameless and clueless. So clueless and needy and insecure.

And, you know, I had for a brief fleeting moment this thought that, you know, if the Ravens have signed off on this guy, not just for, you know, the backup third string quarterback role last year, but they actually signed him to be Lamar Jackson's backup this year that, you know, maybe he's matured. Maybe he's become the guy that, you know, we always said, hey, you know, he's going to turn 30, 31 years old one of these days and he's going to look back at his time in Washington and he's going to say to himself, oh my God. God, how insufferable I was. But nope, he has not matured. This is so delusional. Don't give up on him prematurely. You had two full coaching staffs. Actually, three, if you include Cleveland, that said, no, no.

We don't want any part of you. This wasn't one person. This wasn't one team. Oh, man. Well, you know what? Leave it to him. Also, you retweeted, and I didn't know this until I just saw it on your Twitter timeline. John Havlicek passed away.

79 years old. I didn't even know he was sick. Of all nights for this to have, to get buried by the NFL draft, this is one of the great players of his era. Yes, he was. Like I said in the tweet, I mean, when you think of the word motor, you think of John Havlach, because he never, ever, ever stopped moving. No. I mean, he was constant movement.

I mean, just tremendous. Havletech stole the ball, the famous call by, what's his name? Johnny Most. Johnny Most. I mean, because that's what he did. He just constantly moved. So, yeah, I mean, I have some fond memories of seeing Havlitech, you know, play in his prime. And then, you know, winning NBA championships with the Celtics.

I mean, greatest sixth man probably in the history of the game. Oh, yeah. You know, he's the first that comes to mind. Michael Cooper always comes to mind for me, those Lakers teams of the 80s. Cooper was a phenomenal, you know, first guy off the bench. But the game I remember, Tommy, and Havlichick, I think, hit the game winner in the third overtime was game five of the 1976 finals against Phoenix. The famous Gar-Hard shot, Brent Musburger's call of Gar-Hard at the end.

to the first overtime with a second left hitting, you know, like a 25-footer to force, or that might have been after the second overtime to force the third overtime. And I think Havlicek, you know, took over in that third overtime, him and Jojo White. But I remember him. I mean, some of those Celtics teams were the first sort of NBA teams. I remember the bullets beat them in 75 before getting swept by Golden State. They beat that Havlicek, Cowan's, Joe Joe White Don Nelson, you know, team in the Eastern Conference Finals. I remember Halichick. He was phenomenal.

Yeah, he was. Now, let me ask you a question. You ever see him, you know the actress, Linda Fiorentina? Boy, I know the name. She was in men and black, but that's not what I really care about. I mean, she's, I mean, unbelievably sexy. And which is remarkable because she's not very well-and-down. but she's just like off the charts sexy in movies you ever see a movie called jade yeah yeah yeah i i just

pulled her up on wikipedia images i i know who she is yeah what about her you ever see jade a movie called jade i never saw jade okay well i was just watching jade it's it's you got to watch it but the movie you have to watch is the last seduction everybody out there hide the kids and rent the last seduction. I can give you a money-back guarantee on it. 1994 last seduction with Linda Fiorentino and Peter Berg was in it? Peter Berg is in it, yeah. It's tremendous.

So on a positive note, and plus I'm medicated, so I'm all over the place. Okay. That's what you wanted to ask me about? That's it. I wanted to ask you. I got her on my mind. All right. Have a good weekend.

I'll talk to you next week. Actually, you're going away next week. I'll be gone, boss. You know what? In my mind, I'm already there. All right, well, enjoy the trip. You're going to love that trip, and we'll hear all about it when you get back. And you don't have to call in from Italy.

I don't want to hear from you from it. I want you to sleep in, and I want you to drink a lot of wine. You're not a big wine drinker, though, right? But I can be very easy. Well, you should be there. And you'll love the food. Don't ask for a ham and cheese sandwich. They don't have them there.

Does Nitrain Express count as a... Big wine drinker. See you. Have fun. I'll see you. Bye. All right. That was good.

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That always helps us. It doesn't cost you anything. And tell people that they can listen if they have a difficult time figuring out podcasts on their phone. They can just go to the Kevin Sheehan Show.com and listen to it. there. All right, tonight, the Redskins have two third round picks. So they have their own third round pick, which is number 96 overall. And then they've got the, I'm sorry, 76 overall, number 76 overall. And then they've got the compensatory pick that they got for Kirk Cousins at the end of the round, which is number 96 overall. I think one of the things that I talked about, and I actually

blogged, and by the way, if you go to the Kevin Sheehan Show.com, We blog every once in a while as well. And you can get all the old episodes very easily there too. But I mentioned before the draft last night in my blog, I said they're going to stick at 15. If Haskins, Jones, and or lock are available, they're going to take the quarterback at 15. And I mentioned that if they select Haskins, that that is an indication that it's Dan Snyder's pick. And then I mentioned that they're going to add a safety and a wide receiver. before the end of the third round or before the fourth round.

So in the first three rounds of the draft, I think they're going to add a safety and wide receiver. Well, considering they did a quarterback and an edge rusher, then safety and wide receiver would have to come in these two picks in the third round. There are safeties that I thought they would be interested in, two of whom are already gone. And that's Darnell Savage Jr., the Maryland player who got picked much higher. Right, Aaron, much higher than any.

I know people had him in the first round. I don't know that people had Darnell Savage going at number 21 overall to Green Bay. You definitely heard it more coming up that he was rising boards getting into the first round. And yet, I don't know about 21, but definitely the low 20s. I don't think he was that big a shock. Many people thought he would be the first safety off the board. I think it surprised people a little bit that it was the first defensive back off the board. Neither of the cornerbacks were picked before him.

but yeah the highest turp picks since Darius Hayward Bay in 2009. First round pick. They had a first round pick last year too in DJ Moore. One of I think seven schools to have back-to-back first-round picks. How about that? I think safety is going to be something they're looking for. And again, my preference is that they draft the highest rated player on their board. But, you know, Juan Thornhill from Virginia is a really good player.

Deonti Thompson plays for Alabama, so you wonder whether or not they would target him. Now, both of those guys are right now projected second rounders. Guys that could fall to their pick in the third round include guys like Will Harris from BC. I don't think Hooker from Iowa will be there. He could potentially go in the second round. The highest rated safeties that weren't picked in the first round were the guy Taylor Rap, who at one point from Washington, I think was the highest rated safety and a lot of mocks in the early mocks when the season ended.

and Adderly from Delaware is a high-rated safety as well. But I think they're going to be looking safety in the third round with one of their third-round picks. The wide receivers right now, you know, if you go back to the draft last night, I mean, we did not see a wide receiver until Marquise Brown at number 25 overall. He went to the Ravens. Man, they've got some speed on that offensive football team

with now Brown and the quarterback. That was a perfect pick for the game. them. Yeah. You know, they've actually, the Ravens are going to be a really interesting team to watch. I loved what they did last year with Lamar Jackson. It obviously got them into a situation where they won games and made the postseason. It's a hard system to come back in, though. If you fall behind in these games, hard to rally. Even though in that Chargers playoff game, they were down a bunch and Jackson actually threw them back into it. But they've got Ingram on that team now in the backfield. Remember, they signed Mark Ingram and Free Agency. They signed.

They got Willie Sneed. That was last year. Sneed was on the team last year. So they got Marquis Brown that they've added. The tight end that they drafted last year, Hayden Hurst. They re-sign Nick Boyle, the tight end that they loved. Ingram running the ball. I mentioned Ingram, and they still have the guy that really, you know, came out of nowhere last year.

Gus Edwards. It's going to be an interesting team to watch. But back to the wide receivers that would be available in the draft. So I mentioned Marquis Brown, and then the Patriots took McKeel Harry, the wide receiver from Arizona State to finish up round one. Now, the wide receivers that are still there, Paris Campbell's still out there. He's a second round pick. I don't think the Redskins can get Paris Campbell unless they trade up. You know, A.J. Brown and D.K. Metcalf, neither one.

D.K. Metcalf, by the way, perhaps a long. with Drew Locke, Juan Taylor, who I told you on Wednesday, Joanne Taylor to me looks like he's too raw and shouldn't even be a first-round pick. He did not go in the first round, even though he was mocked in a lot of top tens. He didn't get picked, Locke didn't get picked, Cody Ford didn't get picked in the first round, Murphy, the corner, greedy Williams, the corner, none of those guys got picked in the first round. All of them projected first-round picks. D.K. Metcalfe, not picked in the first round.

A lot of people thought it at various times he was a top 10, top 15 pick. A.J. Brown's the receiver that Cooley likes even more from Ole Miss. I would think he's going to be gone. I've mentioned also, and this could be a tomorrow night pick or it could be a Saturday pick, but I love Jekai Polite from Florida. And he's got character issues and maybe that makes him drop, but he is a talent. And you add him and sweat.

and you line them up on opposite edges, and you move Carrigan inside with John Allen on passing situations, you'd have a pass rush. Back to the receivers, though. Paris Campbell, probably not gettable. A.J. Brown, Metcalfe, I don't think getable. Debo Samuel from South Carolina, probably not getable. Not in the third round.

What about Hakeem Butler? From Iowa State. Yeah. Yeah, he's potentially a third-round guy. I'll tell you the other guy who's potentially a third round guy too is a guy like Kelvin Harmon from NC State. You know who Miles Boykin from Notre Dame? Boykin from Notre Dame, yes. Gaskin from Washington, no, right? Don't you think Washington that Gaskin's going to go?

I'm thinking of the running back Gaskin from Washington. Boykin from Notre Dame, second round. Second round, great. most people have, I think, on him. I mean, but at some point, some of these guys, Metcalf dropping, probably pushes a couple of these second round grades to third possibly? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I mean, I

think wide receiver and safety is a target. I think they should also draft the best available player on their board. Riley Ridley could be there in the third round. You know, Calvin Ridley's brother from Georgia, who is, you know, another guy with great speed. Average size, but long

armed guy like his brother, he could be a guy the third round. You know, you always look when it's the Redskins for for Bama guys at these positions and, you know, a wide receiver, there are none for Alabama, you know, that are really projected to be in that range. You also think in terms of tight ends, Irv Smith Jr., Alabama's tight end, is still on the board. The guy warring from San Diego State, who a lot of people like, I think Cooley likes them, still on the board. So you got to be thinking tight ends are a possibility, too. They still don't have their guard. You know, they still don't have that guard. Now, what's interesting is about some of the

offensive linemen that didn't make it like Cody Ford can play guard. Now, he, I think, is going to come off the board pretty quickly. There are corners there that they're going to be able to get in the third round. They're going to be able to get two good players, two potential starters or guys that will compete to start in their positions in the third round. The second round pick, obviously, coupled with next year's second round pick, was used to trade back. up into the first round to take Montez sweat. But those are the guys like Thornhill, I think will be gone. Deonti Thompson, maybe at the end of the third round.

I still think that, you know, I'll give you another position to keep an eye on, not just tonight but throughout the weekend. I think it's very possible the Redskins are in the market for a Chris Thompson replacement. I think that they want to throw the ball to their backs on third down. I don't know if Geis is necessarily the guy they'll be counting on, but I think they'd like a third round back replacement. Thompson's health has really prevented him from being a reliable guy. I love Chris Thompson like the next guy,

but if Darrell Henderson from Memphis is sitting there in the third round, he is quick, fast playmaker can catch the football, that's the kind of guy that I would, you know, that wouldn't shock me if one of these guys, is really high up on their board if they ended up taking a guy that they envisioned replacing Chris Thompson as a third down back. I guess that's it. That's pretty much all I've thought about for tonight and the rest of the weekend. They've got seven more picks. They may trade up in the second round to get the

wide receiver. They may take the two thirds to move up into the second round and take a Paris Campbell if he's there, or maybe a D.K. Metcalfe or an A.J. Brown if they they are there. I mean, maybe they'll do the same thing with the safety. Maybe they're in love with Juan Thornhill from Virginia, and they know that he's going to go somewhere in the second round, and maybe they'll package the two-thirds to move up, or, you know, one of the thirds and a fourth or a fifth or something, I don't know, whatever it takes to get up into some portion of the second round to make that pick. Other than that, I don't have anything else. We wanted to get this out early this morning because it was, you know, a unique day after the draft last night, especially with how

active the Redskins were. I did not watch any of the NBA game or the NHL games. I know that the Spurs forced to game seven, and you will have that. I'm actually anxious, anxious. I'm actually interested in watching the Clippers try to even up their series tonight with the Warriors. I don't think they'll do it. There are a 10-point underdog at home in a playoff game, which is pretty unusual. But anyway, that's it. Overall, Haskins, I'm not a fan of it. I said that long before, the draft during the college football season and leading up to the draft. But like Cooley said, on some level, I'm excited that they've got a developmental, potentially a future starting franchise quarterback. We're wrong about these things all the time. He's big. He's strong. He can

throw it. There's no doubt. He's smart. He's got the work ethic. Let's hope the father isn't completely nuts based on some of the things we've read recently. And I listened to the interviews last night with him, and he really sounds like a first-rate young guy, and I hope they do it right with him. I don't have a lot of confidence that they will, but I hope they do it right, and they don't rush it, and they get it right with him.

All right, have a great weekend. Thanks to Aaron for getting up early in doing this, and then thanks to Cooley, John Kime, and Tommy, and don't forget, you can listen to John's podcast as well, the John Kime Report. Back on Monday, have a great weekend. Thank you.