The Kevin Sheehan Show - Redskins Ready For Free Agency

Episode Date: March 16, 2020

Kevin had JP Finlay/NBC Sports Washington on the show with him today. Lots of NFL Free Agency and Redskins talk of course. Also, the latest on Trent Williams, Brandon Scherff, Ryan Kerrigan, and Erick Flowers. Kevin talked about the movie "Contagion" and the documentary, "Basketball: A Love Story". <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. All right. I'm here. Aaron's here. And we're going to be here. We could take a day off this week. It would be Wednesday if we do take a day off. I'm just giving everybody a heads up on that. But more likely than not, we won't because it's a busy sports week. I mean, there are no games. But the NFL is proceeding ahead with it. It's free agency, period, and it's going to clearly steal the sports headlines. I mean, I think we talked about it a little bit last week. The truth of the matter is this particular month of doing shows would have been a lot of basketball and a lot of tournament, but a lot of NFL free agency like we do every year. And so that's not going to stop. And obviously the Redskins are going to be pretty active, I believe, in free agency.

And the league essentially made it clear to all of its teams yesterday. and this is something the players wanted, that the player team negotiation window, aka the legal tampering period, starts today at noon, and that the league year is starting as scheduled Wednesday at 4 p.m. So we're going to start hearing all of the deals here, really beginning at noon, the deadline to franchise tag, to use the tag, is 1159 this morning. And the franchise tags are coming out furiously this morning. Have they tagged Dak Prescott yet in Dallas?

DAC I haven't seen yet, but Derek Henry in Tennessee, AJ Green in Cincinnati, Shaq Barrett in Tampa. So there you go. I mean, everybody's going to be using the tag. I think what's going to happen in Dallas today, you know, by the time you listen to this, it probably has already happened. But if they tag DAC without signing him to a long-term deal, then Amari Cooper hits free agency because you can only use one tag now. Because the collective bargaining agreement was approved by the players late Saturday night, audited it. overnight Saturday and early Sunday and announced that it had been approved yesterday morning, despite the fact that 500 players estimated did not vote. I mean, isn't that so typical? There's all this going back and forth between star players and other players about the, you know, about the CBA and whether or not they should, you know, basically have a firm stance

of renegotiating a better deal and voting no. and meantime, a fifth of the players basically didn't even vote. I'm sure they were out vacationing, having a great old time, couldn't care less. Hey, whatever you guys decide, it's fine with us. And passed by the narrowest of margins still. 60 votes, a very narrow margin. So those 500 votes that were not cast could have made a difference one way or the other. But that got done yesterday.

That means the 17-game regular season is in play for as early as 2021. one. It means that the 14-game expanded playoff format, which I think would have happened even without this CBA, is all set pretty much for the 2020 season. They set the salary cap yesterday at $198.2 million per team. That's up $10 million from last season, a little bit less than the just north of $200 million projected. I think the Redskins right now are between $44 and $47 million in available cap space. That is obviously contingent upon, you know, it could change based on they do with Trent Williams, which would free up $12.5 million if they're able to trade him. I would expect them to restructure Ryan Carrigan to lower the cap number for this year.

And then, you know, when all said and done, potentially, you know, if they trade Trent Williams, big if there, somewhere in the neighborhood of, you know, $60 million, potentially in available dollars to spend in free agency. They have guys like Eric Flowers. They may be thinking about extending, excuse me, Quentin Dunbar, but then you get into you know, what they're going to do. And we're going to bring J.P. Finley on shortly to discuss all of those things. You know, there was news over the weekend. Tennessee signed Ryan Tantanahill. That means no Tennessee for Brady. The 49ers said no one Brady. And it looks like the Chargers and the Raiders and the Patriots now are the teams that, you know, are more likely than

not for Brady. You had Anthony Costanzo agreed to an extension this morning in Indianapolis. So that takes one of the big potential left tackles off the market, although I don't think most people thought he would. Brandon Sheriff got tagged. 15 to 16 million, probably 15 million with the new tag number, unless the Redskins work out a long-term deal by July 15th. So tons of NFL will get to all of it with J.P. Finley coming up. Look, I don't know what you guys did over the weekend with no sports. It was certainly a different weekend. around our house. You know, it started, I think Saturday morning,

one of my boys just put out a group text, can't believe Cowan played so poorly, and yet we still won. Come on, let's go beat Michigan State today. That was basically, and that took on a life of its own. My brother from Costa Rica got involved in the whole thing, and we were basically playing out the Michigan State game on Saturday because we had nothing else to do.

It sucks that there was no hoops this week, and it sucks that there was no selection show last night. All of that is true. There was a true OK Boomer joke that was making the rounds. I don't know if this was a social media thing among sports fans. I got texted it by two different friends, which tells me that somehow they got access to it more likely than not via social media. but basically the joke went like this. Day three without sports, I was wandering around my house,

found this woman on my couch. Turns out she's my wife. I got that for my mother, right in a while. There you go. You know, not that funny. I'm sure a lot of people hashtagged it with boomer remover after that, which really made me laugh on Friday. I did find it interesting if you were following the whole,

you know, should they or shouldn't they have put out, bracket over the weekend. I was hoping they'd do it, but it really is nonsensical to do it. But man, how about that story about the NCAA considering a 16-team tournament? You know, up until the very end when they called off the tournament, Vice President of Men's Basketball for the NCAA Dan Gavitt told the Associated Press that they started to consider ways of condensing the tournament late last week once the NBA announced its season was over. They presented multiple ideas, of them was for a 16-team tournament played this coming Thursday through a week from Monday night.

They would have had the Sweet 16 on Thursday, the Elite 8 on Friday, and the final four on Saturday, all in Atlanta. So they would have played it in one destination, so one travel, no fans, all right? And then they would have played the final on Monday night in State Farm Arena as well. in Atlanta. Joe Lenardi actually put out a bracket, a 16-team bracket. I don't know if you saw it. Maryland was a 13-seed playing Dayton in the first round, which would have made them the first four-seed, which is where they were in the Lannardi's bracket before championship weekend. That's what Lennardi did he just took his top 16 seats. Right. Mark Emmert, the head of the NCAA said yesterday that they thought they had a shot

to play the entire tournament until Rudy Gobert tested positive. And then they pretty much knew at that point it was going to be over. So you had that from over the weekend. I will tell you right now what I did over the weekend, sports-wise, that I really found interesting. And I'll do that when J.P. Finley joins us here momentarily. But since we last spoke, actually, I think it broke when we were doing the podcast on Friday at the Masters was canceled.

And I think we just hit on most of the major things. We're going to get J.P. Finley in here. We're going to talk some Redskins Free Agency, NFL Free Agency, because it looks like we're going to have a lot of that to talk about during the week. One real quick thing before we move off of NFL Free Agency. Kirk Cousins just got a new contract with the Vikings. Really? It happened. He got two. So he got the extension.

He had a year. So basically it's two new years worth 66 million. So in addition to the year he already had. So he had one year left, two new years on top of it worth 66 million. So at 33 million a year? So three years, 96 million is what he has remaining on his contract now. Wow. So this morning on the radio show, where is the...

Ian Rappaport has it. Rapaport has it. So I had a bunch of people text me. It looks like Kirk's pulling the same bullshit in Minnesota because he's not signing a long-term contract because there were some reports over the weekend that he hadn't. And I said, well, no good agent is going to tell him to sign a contract extension before free agency hits. He's going to want to see how the market hits. And here it is.

Kirk Cousins, two-year deal were $66 million. Well, if they're going to offer that much money at $33 million per year, which is what, basically $5 million more per year with two-year's deal, Is it all guaranteed? 61 guaranteed it's signing? Yeah. Yeah, you're not going to turn down that deal. Yep. You're not going to turn down that deal.

Interesting. Ian Rappaport, summing up the Kirk Cousins deal, two new years worth 66 million, so three years in all for 96 million. 61 of it guaranteed its signing. An additional 35 million guaranteed for injury, but converts to a full contract at the beginning of the 2021 season. They won't cut him after year one.

and 61 million, of course, which means that basically the whole thing is guaranteed for all intents and purposes. I mean, they could cut them after 2020. They could. I guess I said $61 million. But not after guaranteeing $61 million. Well, I guess the question is, $61 million guaranteed. Is that $61 of the 96 or is that $61 of the 66? That's 61 of the two new years.

Yeah. Because this year's already been guaranteed. But he was kind of going back and forth between talking about it as the full three. years versus so I just wasn't 100% sure on that. Wow. He has broken the bank now many times. And speaking of quarterbacks, DAC gets the franchise tag. And Dak Prescott just gets the franchise tag, which means Amari Cooper is going to become an unrestricted free agent, essentially for people to legally, you know, the legal tampering period begins at 12 noon. Expect the Redskins to target Amari Cooper. All right. Let's bring in J.P. Finlay.

from NBC Sports Washington. JP, how's everybody in your household? Are you all stocked up on everything? Yeah, man. I think we're in pretty good shape. We got more chicken nuggets than we've ever had. And, you know, it's just going to be chaos with two little kids stuck in the house. You know, we're going to make it work.

Yeah, I mean, by the way, I just love the days of chicken nuggets, pizza and grilled cheese. and I don't know what kind of parents you and your wife are. So don't take this the wrong way if you're among the group that is super into all of the foods that the kids eat. Because I remember my wife and I making an honest effort to, you know, let's eat apples, let's eat fruits and veggies and the whole thing and all healthy. But bottom line, I had three boys and you know what they wanted? Chicken nuggets or grilled cheese or pizza. Ultimately, that was the only way to get them to eat.

Here's what's crazier with my daughter is that she doesn't like pizza, and sometimes she likes grilled cheese, sometimes she doesn't. It's a challenge, man. So is she a healthy eater? Is she a healthy eater? She loved apples, so we eat a lot of apples. That's good. She loves, like, English muffins. English muffins are probably her favorite food.

I like English muffins. I don't know if that's healthy. Yeah, they're good. And I don't think there's been a run on English. muffins, although at the Safeway that you and I both live close to and the giant that you and I both live close to, there was no bread. I don't, do people buy the bread and then freeze it? Is that what they're doing? Because, you know, bread is what we call on the trade a perishable item. It's got shelf life. I don't, I want to know the size of the freezers people have, because we bought

some extra stuff to freeze, but like nowhere close to enough of, you know, what is going on. out there. It's been kind of crazy to watch, but here's a grocery store tip for you, Kevin. I don't know what kind of deal the giant buy-us has with, who makes English muffins? Thomas's. Yeah, Thomas's. They often have, buy one, get too free. Right. And that's a wild deal, if anybody's in the English muffin market. I am in the English muffin market. I'm often in the English muffin market, and I think one of the reasons you get those deals at any supermarket, actually, is because if you look at the expiration dates on English muffins and just bread in general, that's why they're always deals on bread is they've got, you know, short shelf life and pretty

quick expiration dates. So if they aren't moving per typical, they're going to throw that, you know, incentive out there to move the product rather than, you know, have it die. I mean, there's nothing worse. And I sort of was in this business for many years. There's nothing worse than, you know, eating perishable items and having them not sold, because that goes right to what's called the shrink number, the overall lost product number, which isn't a good thing. But, yeah, you notice that on all breads, really, typically. There's always at some point there's an incentive to really move them. Yeah, well, if there's ever an incentive, it's right now.

How much are you missing? Most people, I don't know if everybody knows this about JP, but JP's a, a special. sports fan, but a big basketball fan and a big Terps fan, too. I really, it was painful this week, and it's going to be even more painful this coming week. Oh, you know what? I forgot to mention, Aaron, and I forgot to mention this on the radio show, and I'm going to mention it right now for everybody. So one of the stories that came out over the weekend was the NCAA extending eligibility for seniors for spring sports, and they are likely to do it with winter sports as well. I didn't see likely. I said they were considered. I think it's

I think it's likely, I can tell you this right now, Anthony Cowen, even if he were given a fifth-year opportunity, is not coming back. No. He is, whether it's in Europe or, you know, a long shot at an NBA career or, you know, a G-League career or whatever it's called now, he's ready, I think, to move on. But you're a big hoops fan. I mean, it just sucks because I think we had a chance to make a deep run. Yeah, you know, I don't know if they made the wrong decision, but it's just, You feel bad for the kids, the coaches. I mean, as a fan, I was so excited about it, especially if you look at, I mean, this is all, you know, hypothetical now,

but Maryland could have been playing a 316 at Madison Square Garden, which is a pretty easy trip for a lot of us. I don't know, man. It's a shame, but I saw that Lannardi had them playing UVA in the second round. I would have been terrified of that match-up, so maybe I'll take the good with the bad that we don't necessarily have to deal with Wahu fans. You and I probably, had they gone to the garden, would have probably been sitting together because our ticket source would have been the same person. And he already told me, and I'm sure he told you, he had us all set up for Madison Square Garden for the regionals if Maryland had gotten there.

I think that would have been a fun weekend. It would have been a fun weekend, yeah, because the last time in New York with friends from work was the Super Bowl year. And I don't think Cooley and I slept for three consecutive nights. And then it was on that, two consecutive nights. By the time we got to the third night, I basically said no moss that I actually needed to sleep, because he's just a tad younger than I am. All right, let's get to.

Yeah, that was actually the most. The San Francisco Super Bowl is great. Obviously, the Super Bowl's in South Florida and New Orleans are always awesome. That New York week was spectacular. It was freezing cold the whole week, but it was so much fun. What was Radio Row? city? Yeah, it was in Manhattan. Yeah, we were in the city and it was, it was basically in, I think it was in Midtown. And so it worked out really well. All right. So as we're sitting here, news is breaking

all over the league. Prescott got tagged. Derek Henry got tagged. Kirk Cousins just signed a massive contract extension. It's funny, JP, because all the people that listen to, to me that know that I like Kirk Cousins are like, see what your boy's doing to the Vikings, doing the same thing? And I said, just hold on for a second. He's probably going to wait a little bit here to see how the free agent market shakes out if he doesn't get the right offer.

He got the right offer. $33 million a year. $61 million guaranteed an extra two years on that deal. And, you know, that's why I don't think they're getting rid of Diggs, man. There's no way I see Diggs getting moved. Do you? they've been pretty adamant that they're not going to. So I don't expect it.

You know, they've got Kirk locked in. I think they are kind of in that win now situation. I mean, you know, they were able to go to New Orleans, win a playoff game. I think they've got to keep that thing going. And feeling the digs are a huge part of it. And no, I, I, and. I believe Diggs wouldn't mind starting somewhere else, but he's got a contract and, you know, I don't think he's going anywhere. I think he thinks he didn't sign the greatest deal that he could have signed, but that's more on him.

And I'm sure that there are issues he has. I don't know why he should have him after last year. I mean, I know Thielen didn't play a lot, but he had a hell of a year. You know, and the team had a legit shot. I mean, if it had stayed healthy, the entire year with Theelan, they may have, you know, won more games and potentially won the division. But they're losing players, a lot of players defensively, so it'll be interesting. Let's get to our team. So, you know, in thinking about free agency, and I want to get your thoughts on all this, but I think that the conversation has to start with some assumptions. Like, is Trent going to be there or not? You know, it's 12.5 million of additional money. If he isn't, if he is, then it's

12 and a half million of less money. You know, is sheriff going to play under the tag or a long-term contract extension? Is Ryan Carrigan going to get an extension that lessens the cap hit from 11.5 to something much less so that we can come up with an actual number? How have you been thinking about it? What are your thoughts on Trent, on Ryan, so that we can drill down to sort of a number to start with? So I don't know what's going to happen with Ryan.

I know he talked about being open to whatever. it takes to stay with the Redskins. And I think the smart thing to do would be to extend him and lower the number this year. And maybe he, you give him a two-year extension and you guarantee some of that money because none of his money is guaranteed right now, but you spread it out. And then he goes from making 12 a year to making something more palatable for them, seven or something. But I don't know that those conversations have taken place because, frankly, if they had,

they should have gotten that done already. You know, I mean, that's the kind of thing that you want done before the market opens. And since he's your player and he's under contract, you don't have to wait for the tampering period or anything for something like that. You know, it can't become official until the newly year, but you can get that thing done. So the fact that it's not done and just that all the conversation around Kerrigan is that he's staying and he's one of the guys. I wonder if he wasn't going to play this year on the last year of his contract. Trent, I think it's I don't see Trent playing here.

I don't know how long it'll take if it lasts all the way until the draft. But, I mean, Trent, I think, said to the post, you know, are you done with the Redskins? And I think the quote was like, yeah, basically, yes. And then his agent said, we really appreciate the Redkin's giving us this opportunity to seek a trade.

He just needs a fresh start. Like, I don't see how those comments play well with Ron Rivera. You know, Ron came in fresh, met with Trent, by all accounts had a good meeting, and then it kind of just stayed where it was. We want a new deal. We want out of here. So if I'm Ron, I get kind of the posturing right now of we're not going to deal them for less than a second.

We're not going to give them away. And I understand all that. But I think now that the CBA is done, and that the last. league, I think the CBA was the first big hurdle for teams to figure out how much they want to pay guys. And, and then there was like the questions around Corona, right? Like, is this going to, are we going to open? Is the league going to open? Are we up, is this happening? And both of those questions have been answered. CBA's done and the league is opening. So, now teams are going to have to move forward, the teams that are interested in Trent, and I think

the Browns and the Jets will really be interested in Trent, if they're going to go through the process of working out a contract with Trent and whatever the guaranteed money is going to look like. I mean, you saw Anthony Costanzo for the Colts just got, I think, 32-milled guaranteed, two years of 16. Everybody talks about the Lane Johnson deal, but even a dude like Cassano who's good, but he's not on that elite tier of tackle,

is getting big money. I think if a team is willing to guarantee Trent, say it's $38 million for two years on a three-year contract extension, I think that team is going to be willing to give up a third and a fourth or some sort of package that will satisfy the Redskins. What do you think the package that satisfies the Redskins is now? A second. I mean, I don't know if there was a report out in New York, Ralph Bacciano,

that was two-thirds. The Jets have two-third-round picks. I think the Browns have two third-round picks also. I also think another team will emerge as this thing keeps going and, you know, what happened as free agency plays out a little bit. I think the skins would love to have it done, but it's a complex, a lot of things need to happen. And maybe the market, there are plenty of NFL teams that want Trent Williams, right? He's a really good player. Don't let it be forgotten that the new CBA, no one.

longer really test for pot anymore. So one thing that it costs Trent games in the past is off the table. Yeah, good point. So, you know, he should be healthy. I mean, he had the cancer scare, but his body hasn't taken any on-field action in over a year. So there's certainly a market for Trent Williams, but is that market at what he thinks he should be paid, and then that team has to give up a draft pick?

It's a complicated manner. Yeah, my position is this. If they don't get back what they want and what they should get back for a player of his caliber, which to me right now, based on the leverage they have, compared to what they did have, I think they would have got more previously. I mean, we can debate that until the cows come home. The bottom line is they never made him available, so we'll never really know what he could have brought back. But to me, it's a second round pick, and it's the top half of the second round. And if they don't get that back, there's no way Trent's going to sit 2020. He can't, I would imagine at some point you get to the point where you can't afford to just throw millions of dollars away anymore. But beyond that, you know, if he wants to get a big deal next year, he's got to play this year. He can't sit out two years in a row.

So my position is this, is that, you know, it was petty and personal, as we both know, for too long, right? Now it's just business. And Ron Rivera can look Trent Williams and his agent in the eye and say, look, I can't, I've got nothing to do with the past, man. I've got to do what's best for us. I can't give you away. We're not in the business of giving players like you away for less than what we think you're worth. So if we don't get back what we want, come play for us, play your ass off in a contract year. And then you'll be a free agent next year. You'll certainly, you know, I mean, the Redskins could conceivably franchise tag him next year.

But I think the chances of him playing for them, while I thought they were zero, are much higher than zero now. Like, there's a one in five chance he could play for them next year because no one's going to pay him what he wants and nobody's going to give the Redskins what they want. I don't know if I would go that high. I think the scenario you laid out is what's going to happen with quitting Dunbar. I think he's going to play and then go to free agency next year and look to get paid. Ron Rivera has said, I mean, he told a story to Mike Silver. I don't know if you read that. Yeah, I read it.

I read it. Basically, you're either in or out, and if you're out, see ya. You know, he, right. I just see, I don't see that all happening. And I don't think an unhappy Trent is a good thing for a team rebuilding, trying to change their culture. I could be wrong. I wouldn't go as high as 20%.

I'm not going to rule it out, but I think it's five, ten, I mean, Trent already sat out a year. You know what I mean? JP, he can't sit out another year. Personally, I don't think he can afford to sit out another year. That could well be true. I do think that CBA just change some stuff about contract holdouts that make it harder to do that the fines that players

a crew cannot be waived anymore. So that's an interesting kind of subplot. Waved by the team. Right. Because what happens most of the time is you guys rack up fine and then they get waved. Yeah. I just see this thing moving on. You know, talking with some folks and just understanding the situation, I just,

if you're going to 20%, maybe I'll meet you halfway and say there's a 10% chance he's six around. And you're right. I don't know that I see him not playing, but maybe there's a situation where he can go somewhere and play the last year on that deal, and then the skin can get, and then that team will be willing to give up more draft compensation because, you know, they don't have to shell out all the cash. I don't know. Look, two-thirds is better than a third. Two-thirds essentially equals a second, depending on where they are. So, and let me be clear, 20% means that I think that there's an 80% chance he gets moved. But what I've been hearing is they turned him loose to seek a trade because they thought he would

struggle getting what he wanted and, you know, he would have the realization of what the market value really was and that they're not giving them away. You know, I remember reading that story that Mike Silver wrote, and I had him on the show shortly after he wrote that and shortly after the Redskins moved on Ron Rivera. And in thinking about that, I forget what the quotes are, but I know exactly the story you're talking about. I wonder if Thomas Davis or Luke Keekly had stood up

in that meeting and said, yeah, we don't really agree with what you're doing. We know we were two and fourteen last year. Yeah, go ahead and move me. If he would have actually moved him for nothing. You know, ultimately, part of this culture re-rack is to, you know, avoid setting the precedent

of allowing a really good player to walk for less than what he's worth. I would think. But I'm with you in terms of the likelihood is that he gets moved. I just personally hope they don't give in and they end up dealing him for one-third. Two-thirds is different than one-third. That's twice the value that you're getting back. We will still look at this and know that they made a big mistake by not moving him when they should have moved him. At one point, I don't know that we're beating a dead horse, but like, they just botched this thing so bad last August. Once it was very clearly he wasn't coming back, you got to move him, and they didn't.

No, that's the petty and personal part of the organization as we knew it, hopefully. Hopefully it's not as we know it moving forward. You said something about Ryan Kerrigan in a way that leads me to believe that you think there's a chance Ryan Kerrigan's not back. No, I think he's definitely that. Say that again? I think Carrigan is definitely back. Oh, you do?

But definitely back at what value? You think they're going to pay him $11.5 million to play here next year? I think they might work out an extension. I just don't know why that wouldn't already be done. Oh, okay. When you said it that way that I don't know why it would have been done, it led me to believe that maybe you thought it wasn't going to get done. And therefore, my assumption was, well, if they don't get an extension done with him,

they're not paying him $11.6 million to come back here and play next year. I don't know that they're not. I think Kerrigan is coming back. I think he could have a big year, too. I think letting him go upfield for the first time in his career, and I think the defense could look a lot different. But I certainly think Kerrigan's coming back. I can be proved wrong, but I would feel pretty clear on that one.

I think he's coming back, too, but I think they're going to work out an extension to lower the hit and it extended out a couple of years. You know, give them a little bit more and guaranteed money here, extend it out, and lower the cap hit to, you know, call it $6, $7 million this year, something like that. I think that would make a ton of sense. I just don't know why they haven't done it. And maybe it'll happen before Wednesday or something, but, you know,

you'd like to get that thing done before the market opens and you can start, whoever it is they're calling. And I think you think they're calling Cooper, right? I think they have, I know they have that they have Cooper, Drake, and Hooper on their list of targets. Whether or not they get a chance at him, you know, it's going to have to do with his availability

and his want to be here. But I do think that they're, that they have interest in Cooper, Drake, and Hooper. I think Hooper's going to, I kind of think that cost is going to go too high. What do you think it goes to? Well, I think it's at least 11 and maybe more if there's more interest from multiple teams. But here's the crazy part of,

about being scared off at 11. Say they pay him 12. Say they pay off over 12, 12 million a year. That would still be less than they paid to Vernon Davis and Jordan Reed in 2019. Right. Like you'd still be lowering the cost at that position. Yes. And I think, unless you don't think he is the guy,

unless you just think he is a good player coming to market at the right time at a relatively weak position group, if that's the case, then you don't go to the top of the market form. But if you think he can play and you're scared off by the number and you look at how you've been running the numbers in that position anyway, you look at just what you cleared by releasing Jordan Reed for the year, I think that'd be a little. I think he'd be short-sighted. Cooper, I have a feeling Jerry tried to keep him. I don't know.

I do, I do too. But as of now, it looks like he's going to make it to unrestricted free agency, as we know, that doesn't mean that he won't resign with his former team. I just... I had to... Go ahead. To your point about Cooper, Hooper, Drake. You're talking about speed guys and guys that can make plays down the field, and, you know, tight ends a little bit different,

but he can be on the field all three downs for you. He can block. This is not, this is fairly obvious, but I did have a Redkins decision maker. Tell me an Indy, we need playmakers all over the field. And I think if you put Cooper out there with McClorian and Steve Sims, all of a sudden, I kind of would go through some notes over the weekend, and I kept going back to this one quote from Ron Rivera. Now, he was talking about why he would have no problem adding Chase Young to a defensive front

that they've already used a lot of first-round picks on, right? And he said there's something to the effect of that there's nothing wrong with making your strength stronger. And I kind of think about that with adding Cooper. To me, Whiteout's not the position to break the bank on, but if you think a player changes dynamically what you can do on the field, then it makes sense. Yeah, I think that they believe that they can turn this thing around relatively quickly and that their coaching defensively is going to make a significant impact

in adding Chase Young in the draft will be an immediate major impact player that will make everybody else better. And what, you know, that the aggression in free agency will be specifically, you know, tailored to or the goal will be. In addition, I mean, we know they need a corner. They need probably another safety potentially. We understand that they could need two corners. But that they need weapons and pieces around Dwayne. And that's, they need more playmakers on offense.

that they don't have to rely, if that defense is coached up and is better, they don't want to put the 2020 and 2021 seasons in the hands of a quarterback that's not ready with no weapons. So I think that's the, I think that's where the, you know, the Cooper, Drake, Hooper, and potentially others, you know, other playmakers offensively, I think that's where that sort of comes from is this notion, their internal notion that they've got to. to add weapons to give Dwayne a shot, give them a legitimate chance? I think that's fair and accurate. I do think the defense should be much improved right away,

but they're also going to have to sign some corners. There's money they're going to have to spend on the defensive side of the ball. I think at corner, I think they need some linebackers. I think there's some veteran guys you can sign. I'm not saying go to 14-mill a year for Cory Littleton or something, but the coaching should be better and the defense should be better, but they still, outside of the defensive front, they're not particularly talented. And I know people don't like to hear that, but I mean, Landon Collins is good,

and I think Quint and Dunbar when he's healthy is quite good, but that's the list. All right, you've got to run. Give me three names that you think they'll target and they'll be successful or have a really good chance of successfully signing. I certainly think Hooper is one of them. I think they're going to make a run at it. I just don't know how much the money is. I think similarly with James Bradbury, the corner that we've all heard a lot of talk about.

And then after that, it just gets tough because you're kind of throwing names at a hat. But I think Trey Boston's a guy that can make some sense for them. He's played for Rivera. He's bounced around a fair amount. He's never really gotten a long-term deal. I don't know how much it will cost them. But I'm really curious, like you said, Ken, just to, they need playmakers.

You know, the coaches are saying that. The decision makers in the front office are saying that. So how are you going to get them? And you, I think Cooper will end up staying in Dallas, but he's obviously the biggest target out there. It's going to be a, I think it's going to be a very, very interesting. time. One other name, I believe he's going to be available. Ron Rivera talked about positional versatility. There's a guy, Darrell Williams, and this is like a depth thing, but he played both tackle spots in Carolina. He played a little bit of guard. He's going to be

available, not particularly expensive, I think. I think that's a kind of signing. Maybe you don't see that until next week or something, but I think names like that we're going to see as well. And the only thing we didn't mention is if Trent goes, they have a need for a left tackle. Sure. And, I mean, if Trent goes, the crazy part is that people should be looking at Jared Christian as the guy to step in there, but I don't know what's going to happen. I mean, the team hasn't felt particularly strong in him, and I think they will draft a tackle. And you look at Robert Barber's track record in Charlotte, and he plays rugby.

rookies. He left young guys to play. So I would expect that to happen. I mean, I think, I think Flowers is going to get more money than they want to pay because of the money they're going to pay sheriff. So if you lose Flowers, I think you're talking about maybe West Martin over there, or maybe Ruey played guard and Pierce Baker played center. I think things will look different for sure. And I think there'll be young guys lined up on the offensive line. This is a great diversion for us to have this conversation. You know I always enjoy it. At JP Finley, NBCS on Twitter. Redskins Talk podcast, NBC Sports Washington. He's going to be all over it the next few days. Follow him, listen to him. Great job, as always. I'll talk to you soon.

Thanks, Ken. Take care. All right, good job from JP. Interesting comment there at the end about Eric Flowers. Because I think I read this last week, this tweet from this guy basically mocking me for saying Eric Flowers would end up in Cleveland. And then there was reports that the Redskins were going to re-sign Eric Flowers. I have not seen that they have. They still have time. You know, the reporting, the reporting's all been about Eric Flowers resigning in Washington, but JP just gave you that the Flowers money may go too high, which would be interesting.

If it does, I would expect him to be in a place like Cleveland. And then they'd have a need, not nearly the need, that they'd have a, have it left tackle losing Trent because they do have a guy in West Martin that can step in there who played pretty well last year when he had the chance. A quick word about mybookie.ag. It is certainly an interesting time in the sports world right now. There's no NCAA tournament to bet on. There's no NHL to bet on. There's no NBA to bet on. But there are other things to bet on. I mean, there are no golf to bet on right now, but there are futures. bets. They're posting some stuff on, you know, NFL free agency. So if you're looking for a place

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But let's assume that they trade him, because I think it's an 80% chance that they trade him, and a 1 in 5, 20% chance that he ends up playing here. If you assume they trade Trent, you get 12.5 million in new cap space. Sheriff more likely than not plays under the tag, they could rework his deal or sign him to a contract extension that could lessen the number for this upcoming season, but assume he plays under the tag at 15 million. Assume they draft Chase Young and assume they're going to be aggressive in free agency. If they restructure Carrigan, trade Trent,

you're going to have somewhere roughly in the neighborhood of about $62 million in cap space. What are their needs? Well, their needs would be left tackle at that point. Perhaps another guard. A tight end. More offensive skill position players, because it is true, I believe.

talked about this three weeks ago for the first time, that they are going to be aggressive trying to get playmaking weapons around Dwayne on offense. That's why guys like Cooper and Hooper and Kenyon Drake are going to be targeted if all of them are free agents. Corner is a need. Middle linebacker potentially could be a need because you're not sure about Ruben Foster. You don't have John Bostic re-signed. You do have Sean Dionne Hamilton. I don't know what they think of him.

Free safety potentially is a need, even though Monta-Nicholson, is under contract, and Troy Apke played some last year. So what's the plan? The plan is, I think they're going to be, oh, by the way, we didn't mention one other need, and that other need is quarterback. You know, they still have to add a quarterback to this roster. So here are some of the names, okay? Obviously, Austin Hooper is a name that everybody's going to be dialed in on

because the Redskins don't have a tight end. they would have to spend roughly 11, 12 million, somewhere around that for an Austin Hooper to sign here. He's a target. You know, Delaney Walker just got cut by Tennessee if they're looking for a veteran, you know, where they could potentially then draft a younger guy later on. The left tackle becomes a significant need if there's no Trent. Conklin is going to probably get somewhere between, you know,

14 and 16 million a year. He's a 15 million dollar a guy deal. But if you're trying to surround Dwayne with weapons, you also have to think about surrounding Dwayne with a solid offensive line. You can't put somebody in at left tackle that you're not sure about. Now, you could go sign a veteran and draft a left tackle, especially if you get a second rounder back for Trent. That second rounder could be a left tackle to eventually become your starter. And you could sign Jason Peters. You know, you could sign a veteran left tackle. for a year or two. Peters is 38 years old.

He's going to demand, actually, believe it or not, you know, in the $7 to $9 million range more likely than not. But if you had him in for a year and you drafted somebody, that could be the way to go rather than signing a Conklin in free agency at $15 million. Amari Cooper is going to be an $18 to $20 million per year guy. He's going to be a five years, you know, $100 million north of $100 million guy with $70 of it guaranteed. That's what he's going to be. more likely than not.

I think the Redskins are going to make a run at him if he hits free agency and it would appear as if he is. I am all four, another veteran wide receiver. Not an old veteran, a guy that's got playmaking ability, a guy that's played, he's played four years, okay? I'm not going to have a problem if they make a splash and they go after and they sign Amari Cooper. Give Dwayne some weapons.

Other names, Corey Littleton, the linebacker, from the Rams. If they're looking for a middle linebacker, he's going to cost you $12 million. You know, Bradbury, obviously, Byron Jones is too much money. I'm pretty sure Byron Jones is too much money for the Redskins. I think a very interesting name to keep an eye on is Anthony Harris. He's going to get big money and you don't invest that much money

into the safety position, you know, with what they have invested in Landon Collins. But if you think that if you add another playmaking free safety to your in-the-box close to the line of scrimmage, playmaking safety and landing Collins. And you've got a pass rush with Chase Young and everybody else, and you coach it up well. Maybe they think they can get by with Quentin Dunbar and a lower level signing at Corner, maybe a Kendall Fuller. Anthony Harris is going to get big money, though. But JP mentioned Trey Boston. Anthony Harris is probably going to get a little bit more money,

not much to Marius Randalls there out of Cleveland. Also back to the offense, don't forget Devin Funches, who played for Rivera at Carolina. The problem with Funchus is he really didn't play very well last year. He was hurt too, but the Colts gave him a boatload of money, and he really didn't produce. Quarterback, well, they got to sign a quarterback. I've given you guys many names over the last, you know, month or so. You know, I think they're going to sign the true backup quarterback. I think that that is going to be the move. Brett Hundley, you know, Chase Daniel, Blaine Gabbard, you know, Blake Bortles, you know, all of those names, right, that we've mentioned. How about Sean Mannion as a name? I love Sean Mannion. I loved him coming out of Oregon State.

He played briefly with Sean McVeigh in L.A. He's been in Minnesota the last couple of years backing up Kirk. I think at 6.6.2.30. There's a lot of Dwayne in him. Plays a little bit like Dwayne. Maybe not the playmaker that Dwayne is, but a pure backup. I had Chad Forbes from NFL draft bites on the radio show earlier. He actually thinks there's going to be interest in Mannion, but there's somebody to consider in terms of a backup quarterback, which they'll have to sign. So, you know, the bottom line is quarterback, left tackle. What are you going to do at left tackle if you trade Trent? At Guard, you do have an answer if you lose Eric Flowers' tight end, Hooper's going to be a target, I would think.

Hunter Henry, to me, is better. I would not sign Eric Ebron. Not an Eric Ebron fan. I think he takes too many plays off. You know, Kenyon Drake, Cooper, and Hooper are sort of those playmakers, but there are others. Corner, Bradbury, to me, is too expensive. So is Jones. at middle linebacker, I would think a guy like Corey Littleton,

but you've also got a guy like Blake Martinez in Green Bay as a possibility. Free safeties, Trey Boston's a name as JP mentioned. Anthony Harris, I'm assuming he's going to be too much money. They're going to be active in free agency. It's going to be not what it was in the Snyder Serato days. I don't think it's going to be that. But I do think that the Redskins are going to be aggressive

and they're going to try to sign guys coming off their first contact, contracts to potentially some big contracts. Anyway, that's it on Redskins and Free Agency. You've got to see where the Trent Williams thing goes, because that's a big number, right? If they can free themselves up from that big number. At the same time, it creates a massive need. They've tagged Sheriff at roughly $15 million, somewhere in that neighborhood, probably $14.5 to $15 million for the upcoming year.

I think they have to restructure Ryan Carrague. If they bring him back at 116, then they must really believe that he's going to have an impact as a player. Or it's Dan Snyder saying, we're not getting rid of Ryan Carrigan. If he doesn't want to restructure, that's fine. I don't think it would be the latter. I think it would be the former. And JP mentioned it, and we suggested it in the past, that maybe, you know, hand in the dirt, 4-3 is better for Carrigan, and maybe his best, you know, season or seasons are to come.

And maybe Del Rio and Rivera see it that way. So there you go. All right, a couple of other things to talk about, and then we will run for the day. So over the weekend, with no sports on, I did watch the movie Contagent. Have you seen the movie Contagent? I have not seen that one. I do know it's in like the top 10 of Netflix streaming now. Well, the stories are very similar with one exception, and that is that the virus is much more lethal in the movie than this one.

is right now, but you hear, you know, social distancing and you hear all of these things and how important it is for, now, everybody lost their minds and people started shooting each other and the whole world crumbled. Basically, it's an all-star cast. I mean, Matt Damon's in the movie and Gwenith Paltrow's in the movie. It's a good movie. I mean, I, you know, the only reason I gave it a shot is my son's like, let's get it on Netflix because, you know, it had, you know, huge Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic ratings, I guess. It was considered to be a really good movie. It's pretty good.

I mean, I'm not going to lie to you. I enjoy Kate Winslet's in the movie. She's lovely. Jude Law's in the movie. So it was quite the lineup. I didn't realize how old the movie was. It's 2011. 11 it came out.

Lawrence Fishburn's in the movie. He's really good. So anyway. I saw that movie over the weekend. The other thing I did is I had not watched the ESPN documentary Basketball A Love Story. Had you seen any of it? I haven't seen it. I did see it was on yesterday.

It was on all weekend long. Yeah, I'm going to end up pretty much binging probably all the 30 for 30s at some point over the next month. So I ended up watching a lot of it, maybe four or five hours of it over the weekend. Those of you that don't know what it is, basketball, a love story, came out in 2018. It was directed by Dan Cloris, I don't know who that is, and distributed by ESPN. It was a 20-hour series, and it featured 62 short stories, all basketball-related. And it was basically, the 62 short stories are delivered through 10 episodes. So there are six to seven short stories in each episode of this series.

I tuned in and saw four to five hours of it. I really want to go back and watch the whole thing. And it looks like we're going to have an opportunity to do that. You know, the NBA has essentially said, it's now mid to late June, best case. So there were a couple of stories that I tuned in for and watched, and I wanted to share them with you because some of these, you know, are going to ring your memory and you're going to remember these. And some of you who are too young that don't remember these things, they are still very good stories. One of them was just

the story of Rick Berry in the 1975 Golden State Warriors. And the reason that that sort of hit home is because they won the finals in 1975 over the Washington Bullets. And this particular episode was really about sort of the 1970s NBA and ABA also. They featured on this, they featured the 75 and 76 NBA finals in particular because they were wild and unexpected. In 1975, the bullets beat the mighty Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference finals, the Washington Bullets, all right, with Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld and Kevin Porter and Mike Reardon and Nick Weatherspoon, and those were the first teams I remember as a kid, all right, and rooting for. They were the biggest favorite in NBA history in the NBA Finals to lose.

It's still considered to be, and Rick Barry has always called this. He played for the Warriors, the biggest NBA finals upset ever. The bullets were prohibitive favorites, everybody predicting that they would sweep the upstart Warriors, led by Rick Barry. Rick Barry was a great player, a great NBA player, a difficult teammate, by all accounts, incredibly arrogant and fond of himself, but was a great NBA scorer. I've had him on the show, radio show, a couple times. He's an outstanding guest with a phenomenal memory and the ability to really tell great stories. But anyway, those NBA finals were supposed to be an easy four-game sweep.

for the bullets. Well, Golden State won the first three games, and they came back to Landover, the Capitol Center, for game four. And the story about this particular game, which is featured in this short story about the 1975 NBA finals, is that the bullets were so frustrated with Rick Berry that they basically had a plan to take them out. And when I say take them out, take him out physically. Mike Reardon was a small forward for the bullets then. All right, tough guy, 6-6, good shooter, left-hander, and basically they agreed that Reardon would take out Barry. And when I say take him out, like physically try to hurt him to take him out of the game. And so Wes Unseld, who was the Hall of Fame Center on the Bullets, and for those of you that don't know Wes Unseld,

6-7, strong as an ox, one of the most feared players of that particular NBA era. He was no nonsense. You did not mess with Wes Unseld. He gave you the most difficult pick, set picks, hard picks, had the outlet pass that he became famous for. Kevin Love's outlet pass was patterned after Wes Unseld. In fact, Kevin Love's middle name is Wesley named after Wes Unseld. His father played with Wes Unsold in Baltimore. Anyway, the plan was to take out Rick Berry. But Wes Unsel told Mike Reardon, if you take Rick Berry out, Al Adels, who is the coach of the Warriors, is going to come off the bench, he's going to try to beat your ass. Al Adels was this incredibly, he was an incredible physical specimen, feared, and he was the coach.

This was the matchup, first matchup in U.S. sports history to feature two African-Americans as the head coaches. As the head coaches, K.C. Jones was the bullets coach, and Al Adels was the coach of the Warriors. Anyway, early in the game, and they've got the film of it, Reardon goes after Barry with a punch to the back of the head. This is the way this game was played back then. He punched him in the back of the head. And here comes Al Adels, as Wes Unseld predicted, off the bench, heading for Reardon. and Unselled, you see, jumps right in the middle of it,

stops Adels dead in his tracks. Well, the West said it was hard because he was a strong dude. Adels gets kicked out of the game. Reardon gets kicked out of the game. Barry stays in the game. Golden State wins game four to complete the sweep with Al Adels, their coach in the locker room. And they swept the bullets.

And Barry was phenomenal. They couldn't figure him out. They tried to take him out physically. And he took the punch to the back of the head, but continued to play, and that completed one of the biggest upsets in NBA history. They then followed with the 1976 NBA finals the next year, which was Phoenix against Boston. And Game 5 in the Boston Garden, I'll just tell you, it's one of the most memorable NBA games in history. Triple overtime, NBA Game 5, 2-2 was the series.

Gar Hurd, remember him when he coached the Wizards, he hit a shot at the end of the second overtime, After the game was supposedly over, fans stormed the court. One of the fans took on one of the referees, Richie Powers, and punched him. All hell broke loose in the Boston Garden. It was a 9 o'clock tip on a Friday night. They set it up by talking about how drunk everybody was. But anyway, if you ever want to see an incredible finish to a game, Brent Musburger and Rick Barry actually on the call,

you know, Google Game 5 Boston Phoenix, 1976, and look what happened. from the end of regulation on, it was crazy. So then there were other stories, and I'll tell you two others real quickly, and then we'll go for the day. There was a lot in what I saw over the four or five hours that I watched about Bill Walton. My favorite story about Bill Walton was told by Denny Crum. Denny Crum was the longtime Louisville coach, Louisville, as they say down there. I think he won two national championships.

Look that up. See how many national championships Denny Crum won. at Louisville. He won the Purvis Ellison over the Duke final in 86, and I think he was the coach of the team that beat UCLA in the final. Two-time champion. Two-time, yeah. All right, so he won six final fours. Six final. He's a hell of a coach. I mean, he's the one that developed Louisville into a national power. Yeah. So he was John Wooden's top assistant at UCLA during the UCLA dominant years of the 60s into the early 70s. Denny Crump was called by a UCLA alum who lived in San Diego to say,

you've got to come watch this kid. He's a red-headed, freckle-faced center. He's playing down here in San Diego for a public school. You've got to come watch him. So Denny Crum gets in his car, drives down to San Diego to watch Bill Walton play for the first time. He had, I think he said he had 30-something points. They won by 50.

His stats for the year at that point, he was averaging over 30 a game and shooting 84% from the field. That's what Walton was shooting in high school. Krumsawm came back, told the great John Wooden, Coach, I have just watched the greatest high school basketball player I have ever seen. Wooden told him to stop exaggerating, said, stop saying stupid things, Denny, come on. And he said, coach, he's the greatest high school basketball player. basketball player I've ever watched. His parents are Cal Berkeley alums, and if we don't move fast, we're going to have to play against him twice a year, and that's going to be a big problem.

Well, the rest is history. They signed Walton. Walton always dreamt about playing for UCLA, and they went on the longest winning streak in college basketball history, 88 games before they lost to Notre Dame, and part of that 88-game win streak included a game to start the 1973-74 season, against Maryland in Pauley Pavilion. Maryland was ranked fourth. UCLA was ranked number one. UCLA's win streak at that point was 70-something games. Maryland had already, you know, in being coached by Lefty-Druzell,

he had already proclaimed that they would become the UCLA of the East. Aaron, in December of 1973, this was a massive sporting event on the national level. Maryland at UCLA to open up the 1970, season. Billy Packer tells the story about the game. It's lefty, UCLA to East, at Pauley, number one against number four, and Maryland lost the game 65 to 64. They had the ball at the end with a chance to win the game. John Lucas got trapped in the corner and threw it, threw the ball away, and they ended up losing 65 to 64. NC State would later go on to beat UCLA in the national semifinals, which ended the seven-year national championship streak of UCLA. The other quick

Walton's story was told by Jack Ramsey, because they had a whole short story on the 77 Trailblazers. Dr. Jack Ramsey, who coached the 77 Trailblazers team, called Bill Walton the most skilled center in the history of the game. By the way, something I've heard many people say over the years, and the greatest passing big man of all time. We may. missed out on what could have been the greatest career for a center of all time. Because Bill Walton got injured. He injured his feet, had multiple surgeries, came back in 1986 and was part of that Celtics 86 team where he came off the bench for Robert Parrish.

But Ramsey said Walton's the most skilled center in the history of the game. And then there was one more sort of short story that I saw over the weekend. It was my favorite because it included one of my all-time favorite. players, George the Iceman, Gervin, who is one of the great scorers in the history of the NBA. And one of the short stories on this basketball, A Love Story series, was about 1978, the end of the regular season and the battle for the regular season scoring title between the Iceman and David Thompson. This is an incredible basketball day, and very interestingly, there's not video or film of

either one of the two games that these guys played. Does not exist. So in this particular short story part of the episode, it's all animated and then with the two players interviewed about that day. So what happened on that day is David Thompson overtook the scoring lead early in the day by scoring 73 points at Kobo Arena against the Detroit Pistons. Gervyn's San Antonio Spurs team played at night. They were playing New Orleans in the Superdome.

New Orleans was the jazz before the jazz became the Utah Jazz and they moved to Salt Lake City. They were playing in New Orleans and they played their home games in the Superdome. So that's the final game of the year for the Spurs. Gervins told before the game that David Thompson went for 73. and if he is going to retain the scoring title for the year, he needs 59 in this game. They had already clinched the playoff berth. The coach was Doug Moe at the time. All of his teammates said, ice, we're going to keep feeding you.

You're going to get 59. He had 53 at halftime. You have to understand if you don't know George Gervyn, he was a 6-8 skinny two-guard. He's one of the greatest and most entertaining players. in the history of the game. He's certainly one of the greatest scorers of all time. He had 53 in the first half. So he only needs six in the third quarter.

And he's telling the story and he said, what was really cool about it, he said, in the first half, Pete Marevich, Pistol Pete, played for the Jazz, was on the bench because he had been ruled out of that game, was injured. And during the whole first half, he's rooting George Gervon on. Ice, keep going. You got to get to 59.

rooting against his own team. And George Gervin looks into the camera and said, you know what that was? He said, that was two artists communicating with each other. Two of the greatest appreciating each other. Pistol Pete cheering me on against his own team. So anyway, he's got 53 at halftime. He only needs six. He gets the six quickly.

He's at 59. So he retains the scoring title. The coach says, Doug Moe says, we'll take you out now. And he says, coach, leave me in. let me get a couple more just in case they miscalculated. So he got four more, ended up with 63 in 33 minutes, and took a seat. Now, he thinks had he really wanted to, he could have broken Wilts record on that particular night.

That they were feeding him over and over again, that he could have gone out and gotten at that point, you know, Wilt had the 100. He would have needed 48 to 47 to tie it, 48. to break it. And he said he thinks he could have gotten a hundred that night. But they were gearing up for the playoffs and that wasn't the goal that particular night. They did, you know, have him retain the scoring title. But George Gervin, I had him on the radio show with Cooley at Jack Nicholas's tournament out in Northern Virginia three years ago maybe. Honestly, one of the greatest. There are a lot of interviews I've done over the years where I've been like that. I really enjoyed

that. But none that have been like when I just sat there and I'm like, wow, Gervin was one of my childhood guys. He was one of my guys. You know, everybody was out trying to be the ice man on the

playground. In the suburbs anyway, that's what we were doing. He was a phenomenal scorer and really never got over the hump. And it's funny because it got me looking at Gervyn video and films and different shows and Bill Simmons did this thing for, I guess it was his podcast, but there was a

video of it where he sat down with Gervyn for like 45 minutes. Gervin never got past the conference finals. When San Antonio was in the east, they lost to the bullets, the Washington bullets, including in a seventh game. When San Antonio got moved to the west, they lost to the Lakers in the Western Conference finals a couple of times. He never got that high-profile NBA finals spot. He did say in that thing with Bill Simmons that the closest he ever got in the biggest

in the most painful loss was the seventh game of the Eastern Conference Finals in in 1979 when they lost to the bullets in overtime and said Bobby Dandrich made the game winner to win that game for Washington. And he said, Bobby D never gets the credit he deserves. He was a great player, which by the way, he's 100% right about. Anyway, I'm going to, you know, over the next days and weeks ahead, I'm going to figure out how to consume that whole thing because it was really well done. And I look through the list of all of the other short stories and episodes that they have. Just it was, it's first rate in terms of the way it's done.

There's apparently an episode of 20-minute short story on John Thompson's America, you know, featuring John Thompson's, George. Hortown Hoyas and how they redefined East Coast College basketball. I'd love to watch that one. There's one apparently on Bobby Knight that's phenomenal. There's one on the Lakers and the Celtics that apparently is very good. But I think we've seen, God, we've seen a lot of documentaries on Magic and Bird, you know, in the Lakers and the Celtics over the years. But anyway, I loved what I was watching.

I had not really seen any of it, but it was really entertaining. Do we have any news while we've been sitting? here? A few things. One is the draft, which we kind of had heard rumors about it, but the draft is officially not going to be public. It's not going to be in Vegas. It will absolutely happen that time, though. April 23rd to 25th. Yes, the 23rd to 25th. Nothing too big from a sports perspective, but in Maryland, all bars, restaurants, and movie theaters and gyms will be closed as of 5 p.m. this afternoon. Wow.

Bars and restaurants will be allowed to do, uh, to go service, but no one will be allowed to eat in a restaurant or go to a gym. So I did have another conversation with my CDC neighbor yesterday. You want to hear about it? Sure. I'll net it out. They don't know. They don't really know.

That's the thing that, you know, we're going to be okay, you know. But the old saying this two shall pass that, you know, my mother's always always. use that expression? Well, I think this two shall pass. I'm not an alarmist. I didn't go up and stock up on months worth of canned goods and toilet paper and paper towels and cleaning equipment. We did get some stuff.

I'm not going to lie to you. We tried to get as much cleaning equipment as we could get. We did, you know, get a bunch of food for a few days. But we didn't, you know, come on. We're going to make it. We've made it through much worse. But at the same time, I don't think that, They really know for sure how bad this could get.

So be coachable, you know? I mean, it's the young people that are out and about. You know, they got to be, and that's why they're probably closing these restaurants and bars down. Because Saturday night, my oldest son went out to dinner downtown and said the places were packed downtown. And it's, you know, look, I think if I were their age, I probably would be sort of thinking the same way. I mean, we all, you know, at a younger age, we're much more sort of self-absorbed and less coachable. Oh, John Kime has this.

Kime has that the Redskins are letting Eric Flowers get to free agency. So maybe I'm not going to turn out to be as dumb as Franco thought. Was it Franco who tweeted me last week telling me what an idiot I was to suggest that Eric Flowers would end up in Cleveland? You know, we'll see. Kenny and Drake also got the transition tag. I know there was some thought that. So what is that? How many first rounders if you sign them?

I don't think it's for, I think it's, because it's the non-exclusive franchise. The exclusive is two first-rounders on the franchise. That's the non-exclusive. Exclusive you can't negotiate it. Oh, right. The non-exclusive is too much. There is no compensation for a transition. You just have right to match. And another small thing, which I had tagged yesterday and we can talk about more tomorrow. But because Vegas sports books are so desperate to get anything on the board, win totals for next year came out. Redskins are at five.

So down from five and a half. Yeah. All right, we're done for the day. Stay safe. Stay healthy. Back tomorrow. Tommy will be with us.