The Kevin Sheehan Show - Reminder...Draft Two Weeks Away

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Kevin and Thom today with a ridiculous golf conversation to start that had nothing to do with The Masters. The boys talked about a hypothetical dividing up of five DMV championships and then got to the NFL Draft and the difference a year makes for Commanders' fans.  Go to https://zbiotics.com/SHEEHAN and use SHEEHAN at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.Try hims.com/SHEEHAN for your personalized hair loss treatment options. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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If you need new windows. Tommy and I were talking before the show. I know you don't care about the Masters. I love it. This is one of my favorite weekends on the sports calendar. all the golf majors, but there's just something about the Masters. It's beautiful. It means spring. Even though the weather is shitty, it's just been cold and cloudy, and it's going to pour

all weekend around here. You couldn't give two craps about the Masters, but you did have a golf conversation idea that I was unfamiliar with, so I'll let you explain it. Well, I didn't do a vast amount of research into it, but there was one, apparently, recently one of the golfers on the tour. As you said, an Asian golfer. Okay, okay. And then, well, he has an Asian name. I don't know any of the golfers.

Colomoricao is American, grew up in L.A., as did his parents. But obviously, of some sort of Asian descent, yes. but you said to me, you said, an Asian golfer. So I was thinking about like Asian golfers, Hedeki and some of the others. But go ahead. Tell everybody the story. Well, he apparently complained. I guess he had some kind of meltdown in a tournament, and he didn't want to talk about it.

And he said, I don't have to talk to any of you guys. Right. I don't have to do that. Right. You know? And Rory McElroy, who's pretty well liked. and respected from what I gather in this so-called sport, he basically said, you know, he's right. We don't have to.

We don't have to talk to any of you guys. And I thought that was an interesting thing to say. For what I, again, I only know what I read about, you know, from other media about golf, because I don't pay much attention to it because I can't stand it. but you know golf is kind of hitting a slump lately ratings are kind of down for the sport interest is kind of down of late so it'd be a curious tack to take when the interest in your product is not as strong as it might be if you were willing to maybe be more media friendly uh i don't you know so i thought it was an interesting issue frankly

I wouldn't care if they pulled the tongues out of every PGA golfer on the course. Right. How's that? Look, this is, you know, very much a working man sport, you know, working men, blue-collar sport that gets played at public courses all over the country. There are just so many, I mean, the number of public courses dwarf the number of, you know, private courses. It's just, it's not a sport for, you know, the elite, which I think it probably was like a hundred years ago or something like that. Didn't you learn your lesson the last time we argued about this? And you had to put your tail between your legs.

Oh, I didn't have to learn my lesson. I taught you a lesson. I gave you all the numbers. You were absolutely floored by it. Yes. No. And in fact, you had to apologize. No, I didn't.

That's not true at all. You did. You thought the only people that played golf. income. Were elitist? The Indian income number. No. You had to apologize.

Yes, you did. No, that's not true. It was about it. It was about the number of public courses versus private courses. Look. I read, no, and then we talked about the money involved in people who play golf. And I showed you that the median income for golfers was much higher than you suggested, and you had to apologize to me.

I remember it because it happened so rarely that you would admit you're wrong to anything. Oh, my God, look in the mirror. Yeah, but I'm rarely wrong. No, you're almost always wrong. You're the one that's got the issue with being right and wrong, not me. Oh, right. You don't have to deal with it that much. Right, right.

Thank God. Go on and talk about coal miners playing on the golf course. Thank God. I remembered the Maryland score prediction against Florida, because you would have been absolutely irate. You were counting down the days and hours until you could get back on to this podcast to raise your arms in a V to say,

I told you! I told you what the final score would be. I should have put an over-under number on how long it would take for you to mention it if I hadn't mentioned it. But I remember the argument being primarily about you saying that golf is played at country clubs, it's an elitist sport, you have to have lots of money, you have to be a member of a country club,

and I demonstrated very clearly to you that most courses in this country are public courses, and most of the people that play golf in this country play at public courses. That's the way I remember it. The median income thing, you might be right about. I don't, it wasn't, it's certainly not in a lot, elitist sport. It hasn't been an elitist sport in decades.

Decades. I'm just looking at one right here. Golf for demographics by benchcraft company. It made golf products. Okay. The annual household income for golfers, $125,000. Golfers are middle to high income people. Well, so you did say middle. That's not elitist. Okay. It is an elite. What you suggested is a sport. Silver Spooners only, elitist, the wealthiest of the wealth. Well, what's elitist?

It represents Silver Spoon. It represents everything that is really opposite of working class. Well, the representing isn't going very well then because most golfers play on public courses which don't require membership or initiation fee or being an elitist. And as far as, you know, the median income thing, the $125,000, I think you said, as the average household income for a golfer, I don't think you could find anybody that would describe a median household income of $125,000 as elitist. I mean, if we looked it up here, you know, $125,000 household income would not. be anywhere near, you know, elitist territory, top one percenters, or whatever you would look at here.

I mean, here's something from Yahoo Finance. You know, an elite household income is $275,000. That even seems low to me for the description of elitist. But, you know, whatever. You're way off, but you were way off then and you're way off now. Yeah, you are. According to the National Golf Foundation, there's been a 12% decrease in the number of courses since 2006. By the way, 125,000 household income is considered to be middle class now in the United States.

Right. So, based on the number you threw out as the average golfer, that means the average golfer is middle class. that's not elitist unless you've got about the public golf course well hold on just one thing at a time in a past 20 years it's a decrease 125,000 let's take one thing that you got wrong at a time let's no let's take one thing you got wrong at a time 120,000 dollar household income is not an elitist household income can see that but it's very concede that or not can see it's middle It's middle class. Can see that or not?

Okay. So if the average golfer comes from a household income, you know what? You have to have money to play hockey. You have to have money to play football. You have to have money to play a lot of things. You're right. Golf is expensive. You can make it a lot more expensive than it needs to be.

But golf is very popular among every class. Okay? It is popular everywhere. It's not an elitist sport. At one point, it was. It hasn't been for a long time. You were wrong about the household income suggesting that that meant it was elitist, and maybe I was wrong about the public courses.

I didn't say 125,000 was elitist. You said that the average income of a golfer is $125,000 for a household income, and you've suggested that golfers are elitists. I said golf is elitist. Okay, fine. Golf is elitist. The middle class people who play it are not. Fine.

I 100% concede that whatever you pulled on the number of public courses diminishing from whatever year you threw out, that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that, Most golfers play on public courses. There are many more public courses than private courses and many more golfers who play at places that don't require membership or initiation fees. But the sport is elitist, I guess. The people who play it, not so much. People without money can muster together enough maybe to spend one night at the four seasons. it doesn't mean the four seasons isn't an elite its hotel.

Yes, that is true. But I guess on some level, at least you're admitting that golfers have to muster up enough money to go out and play golf. The big difference would be you don't play golf just once. You know, you go and you play golf many times versus staying at the four seasons for one night. But look, I don't really understand. and for me it's a bit of a disconnect, the idea that you're now saying the sport is elitist,

but those who play it are not. Kevin, come on. Tell me how the sport is elite. Tell me how it is elitist. Is it elitist compared it to other sports? Fine. There's a segment of the sport where you belong to country clubs. That is elitist.

A segment. of the people who play golf play at country clubs. Yes, but a majority of the people who play golf play at public courses, and they don't play at country clubs. And I would argue with you on whether or not somebody belonging to a country club means they're an elitist. But again, you know, we're talking about the numbers overwhelmingly people who play golf

play golf at public golf courses. There is a level of this port where people who play belong to private clubs, country clubs. So what? The very biggest symbol you could possibly have of elitism. Really? The biggest symbol of elitism

is belonging to a country club? I could probably come up with a list of a lot of things that are much more expensive and much bigger symbols of elitism than belonging to a private club in which, by the way, there are lots of private clubs that are much more exclusive than country clubs with golf courses. All right, you're wearing me out on this one. Golf's not your thing. That's totally fine.

Let's move on and move back to what started this conversation, which was the Colin Moracawa comments that Rory, McElroy followed up on. Okay, because Colin Moracawa did refuse after Arnold Palmer, Bay Hill, he had a heartbreaking loss there, opted not to speak with the media. In defending his decision, he said he doesn't, quote, oh, anybody, anything. And that did spark controversy. Look, I'm a big golf fan. I didn't even recognize the story that you were trying to talk about when you suggested it before the show. And Rory was asked about it this week, and he said with every other athlete, whether it be in the NBA NFL, they're obligated to speak to you guys after a game. We're not.

He said whether that's something that the PGA tour looks to in terms of putting that into the rules and regulations, but as long as that's not the case, and we have that option to opt out whenever we want, expect guys to do that from time to time. I had no idea that they weren't required. I guess it's because of the number of players. You can't have a press conference for every single player after a round. You have... No, but in many locker rooms, you don't expect to talk to every player on the team

after a game. True. But you don't need to expect to talk to every golfer in a tournament. By the time the tournament ends, you know, a percentage of the golfers are already gone because they didn't make the cut. Or they just played at a different time because it's an all-day, yes, event. By the way, players aren't obligated to talk to you when you go into the locker room. Actually, they are.

They're obligated? I thought that they have, there are certain players that are obligated to talk. Coaches. No, I don't know about the NFL, but MLB, they are required to do it. Okay. So what do you want to say about this? It's the only thing I know about golf that's going on right now. Okay, fine.

This obviously. It was my combination. It was my contribution. Yeah. It was your populist contribution to the contribution to the golf conversation.

I mean... You think Roy was saying that the PGA should, by referring to the PGA rules, you think he was insinuating that maybe the PGA should make this mandatory? Or was he saying, no, we shouldn't have to do it? He didn't necessarily take a stand. He just said they're not

required to do it based on the PGA rules right now. Yeah, there's, there was a response from the golf, oh, this is the golf channel. He just said, Eamon Lynch. He's right as a matter of policy, and I would argue wrong as a matter of principle. The players are not obligated in any of the rules and regulations of the PGA tour to give time to the media afterwards. It's another argument as to whether they ought to be obligated or should they feel an obligation because they are now nominally owners of the PGA tour, they ought to be their own marketers. They should look at this as customer service in a way when you have people that have invested time and money in your product. I think they're entitled to a little bit of something at the

end of the narrative of the weekend, which is what I think you and I would agree on. I mean, if you're... Yeah, but I don't think it's going to happen. I mean, I think... Yeah, but most golfers do talk. Like, I think they do. I know that. I don't cover the sport, but they basically, anytime you have...

leaders at the end of rounds. They're always up there on the podium. They're always doing one-on-ones with Steve Sands or, you know, whoever's handling the interviews afterwards. I think golfers, I could be wrong about this. I don't cover the sport. We talk a lot about how hockey players in particular tend to be the most accessible. And maybe part of it is because there's a recognition that it's really in their best interest

to market their sport, whereas maybe basketball players and football players and baseball players don't feel the same way. I kind of have this sense that golfers tend to be accessible and kind of get it with respect to marketing their sport and that it's good for them and it's good for their sport if they talk. But I can be wrong. That's beyond my expertise. Yeah, clearly. I do want to point out that media access in all sports right now is an inch-by-inch battle that the movie is losing. Okay. Say that again? Sorry.

Sorry, you broke up. Say that again. Media access, media access in all sports is an inch-by-inch battle that we're losing. Okay. I mean, the NFL players want to take reporters out of the post-game loss. Yeah, I know. Right. Okay.

Yeah. You know, and they're getting, but at an MLB, almost every year, the Baseball Writers Association of America has to go through brutal negotiations with baseball, you know, because the players would just as soon not have any clubhouse access for reporters either. So it's a fight. And media access, I know most people could care less, but unless you want to read cheerleading all the time, you should care about reporters being in.

able to ask questions after a competition that aren't spoon fed by the organization. Right. Yeah, we had a lot of this conversation when the tennis player, who by the way was Asian, and I'm forgetting her name, she was number one in the world. Remember she had like mental anxiety issues and from talking to the media? And that became a big issue. And she actually took time off from the sport, I believe. Yes. Yeah. I think, yes, if the players, if they're going to drive that, you're never going to get anything.

I don't know, Tommy, I think you're right. But some of the players that have gone on to kind of do podcasts and shows, in some of those formats, you learn a lot more about the players than you would. have had they been interviewed, you know, once or twice. Look, it's longer, I'll grant you, I'll grant you that, that the player had, an athlete has more access to getting his own message out now than they've ever had before. Right. But again, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's their, it's their view is not always the same

as the view of actually what happened. You know, most people could care. less about this. Yeah, I just watched a movie Diner for like the upteenth time. And there's a part where Daniel Stern's wife, he's arguing with his wife, who doesn't know where any of the records go in particular categories that he has them stored. And she just says to him, I just want to hear the music. And that's what a lot of fans are like. They say, you know, I don't care what they say. I just want, I don't care what they say. I just want, I just want, I don't care what they say, I just want to see them play and maybe hear a few words from them, that's all.

Right. Yeah. So I am a media elitist by arguing like this. You're not a media elitist, but I think you did nail it. I think most people listening don't really care. No. In fact, I know that. Most people don't give a shit if you get access or I get access or not.

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responses. And I actually added a lot of it up today to figure out, like, after the football teams, championships, and Super Bowls, which kind of came in second, third, and fourth. But do you have an answer to this? Well, I came up with a formula. Okay, I want to hear it. If you are a well-rounded Washington sports fan, okay, and would take pleasure in the enjoyment of all those teams playing at a championship level in championship competition. The one you should pick for all five is baseball.

Here's why. Baseball, if the nationals played in five, played for five World Series post seasons, that creates the best opportunity for a sports fan to see that happen in person. Okay, I did the math, a little bit rough, but over the course of a championship run, when the playoff start, if the nationals played in every game in the postseason, that means close to 400,000 fans here in Washington

would be able to see it happen live. that's more than any other sport the Wizards would be at 285,000 the NHL would be at 266 the Wizards would have one because I'm counting them possibly playing a playing

a playing game on their way to the NBA championship and then the NFL if if you know your commanders would have to have home field advantage for this to come into play. You're amazing to me. You care so much about the people.

Which means that there'd only be two at two playoff games for commanders' fans to actually see in person would be about $130,000. So if you're looking for the best bang for your buck as a Washington sports fan, you want five World Series titles. What if you don't even care about the Nats?

Or you don't like baseball. I spoke about the well-rounded. Yes, you did. Part of your formula was the well-rounded Washington sports fan. Well-rounded, meaning they like everybody equally. The myopic, Washington sports fan, myopic, then, you know, whatever works for you then. Myopic, myopic. But the best thing, the best thing for the area would be the World Series.

You're always in it for the people. That's what everybody loves about you. And you know, it's not easy. No, it's not. It's very complex. No, because I'm surrounded by elitist. Well, yes. And by the way, very simple elitists.

You're very much a complex populist, commoner. Yes. Yes. Okay, that's great. I mean, anybody could have done that math. Baseball has, you know, best of seven, bigger stadium, more people than an arena that has hockey and basketball, and football's a one-and-dunner where you play at most, you know, three games in the postseason.

All right. Other than that, did you have any contribution to make? I think I just made a very valuable contribution. I just think I entered a formula into the equation that I doubt any of your listeners did. Well, my listeners are your listeners are your listeners. Let me just say that that actually just brings up a whole other subject. Well done. How many well-rounded Washington sports fans are there really? I don't think there are a lot. I don't think there's a lot. And, you know, Washington sports hasn't made it easy. Like to be a Boston, Well-rounded sports fan? Easy.

Has been relatively easy. Yeah. You know, because all the sports within your lifetime have probably contributed championship moments for you. Well, I think it's also more than that. Those teams have just been around much longer. I mean, they had baseball was a part of every child's upbringing. But still, every Boston sports team has delivered championship moments. You know, so I think it's easier.

In New York, almost, you could argue the same thing. You know, but Washington, that has not been the case for at least one in particular in the past 51 years, the NBA team, the Wizards. And look, I know there's, everyone's enjoying Alex Ovechkin. and it's a great moment for Washington sports, but it's probably in most cities, the NHL would be the hardest one to include in the well-rounded sports fan. Am I right?

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, the NHL is by far and away, the least popular of the four major sports. Right, so that would be the hard. artist to bring into the fold. Yeah. That's what makes it hard. So when I did this on radio the other day, we got a lot of calls, and then there were a lot,

tons of tweets and emails to the question. And, you know, not surprising that basically Washington's football team had an 8 to 1 ratio over the team that came in second. And look, I stopped counting after, you know, I don't know, 200. 50 or something like that, you know. It gave me a sense of where it was going. And it was like, you know, 160 of the, you know, so many people just said, five Super Bowls, please, that's all I care about. I mean, there were so many people that said that. I also have to consider my audience. You know, my audience is, you know, football first, football second, football third.

and then maybe, you know, basketball after that, because I had a lot of Terps basketball championships. In fact, what came in second, and actually it was very close, was a Capp Stanley Cup. And then it was a Maryland basketball title. Again, I would attribute that to my audience. I bet not every show host in town, if they did the same thing,

would get the same number of Maryland basketball championships. But I also got a lot of caps, you know, Stanley Cupson. And I'm not up. That has to do in part with the time with this. Yes, I agree. I agree with that. Look, I wrote another column about Alex Olveskin today, and I sent it to you, and I know you didn't read it.

I'm going to ask you to retweet it. And it's pretty good because it talks about three days in two, 2005 that could have decided what we saw this, you know, last weekend. Explain. Okay. The caps had a three-day window in August of 2005. Remember, he was drafted in 2004, Ovechkin was. He played the whole year in Russia, where he had been playing for three years before that

because there was a lockout. There was no NHL hockey. Right. Okay. so 2005 he was going to start playing. But George McPhee told me a long time ago that gave me the story that they had a three-day window

to convince Ovechkin to come over to play the NHL or else he would have to or else he couldn't get out of that contract he had with the Russian team. And his parents wanted him to stay in Russia and play for that Russian team. And McPhee had to put a hard sell

to convince the parents because Alex wanted to come over to play in the NHL. Right. But McPhee had to put the sales pitch on the parents that they would take good care of their son because they didn't want him to go. Wow. Okay, and they had three days to do that. So that was what the call was about. And we could know what it's like, what we're seeing now could have been put off for maybe

another year. Would he even longer? If he hadn't come to the caps then, would he have gone back into the next draft? No, I don't think so. So the caps would have retained his rights. You know, I just, I didn't know the answer to this. I knew that he was drafted in 2004.

I don't know anything about NHL drafts. He was drafted number one overall. Dynamo Moscow was the team. Evgeny Malkin was the second pick. With number two. Yes, he was. And he was a center. Yes.

And usually a center is going to get picked. with the first pick. Yeah. So tell me, if you know the answer to this, I don't. Was there any debate as to who the number one player in that draft should be? Not among the capitals, not that I'm aware of. Yeah. No, I mean, the Scow, Ross Mahoney, for the caps, who said, Ovechkins, the guy. Okay?

That's the guy we want. And when George went to see him in person, he came the same conclusion. Okay. And he told me that, you know, he went to see him, I guess, some kind of international tournament. And then he stayed in the same hotel with Alex and ran into him on purpose so they could have breakfast, have a cup of coffee. And he was very impressed with Oveskin in that conversation as well. So there was no doubt among the cats who they wanted. It was Ovechkin.

You know, he really is impressive. And there's something incredibly likable. about Alex Sovetchkin, and there always has been. And I know from, you're going to know this more than I, but in reading over the last week or the last few days in particular, there was a time in his career that even some of his teammates felt he was selfish, that he was all about individual numbers. And, you know, and he would get upset, you know,

if he wasn't given a chance on the power play. But for what I I don't know when that changed And I don't know how severe that was I asked Ted the last time he was on with me on my podcast And he was on radio with me today If anybody wants to listen to that But I said I asked him if there was ever a time

In which the relationship was, you know, strained if there was ever a time in which he feared losing him He said I never feared losing him Because I signed him to a 13 year contract Which by the way was a pretty smart move wasn't it? I mean, ultimately, didn't the Caps benefits significantly from that contract? Ted gets tremendous credit for doing that. Yes, it was a smart move.

And, you know, because if you look, look at Gretzky, he left Edmonton to go play in L.A. Right. And he played for a couple of other teams before his career was over. So, yeah, the fact that he's getting to do this throughout his career in Washington, It's probably a great win economically and a great win for the fans. And Ted should get credit for that. Are the Capitals because of Ovechkin, are they, is there any popularity in Russia, the Capitals team? Because of OV?

I have to speak to my sources in Moscow. No. I've read that there's been celebration over there. I don't know how much. I should have asked Ted that today. I'm actually, I don't know, I didn't think of it. Who? Who, Ted?

Yeah. What? I would have just asked how much, like, I wonder if Caps' product is, I wonder if there are a lot of people in Caps' jerseys walking around there. You know, hockey fans. It's the KHL, right? Is that the Russian League? I believe so. By the way, talk about a time where Oveskin was not.

held in high favor. Big tariffs. I remember the ultimate was when Dale Hunter. Oh, yeah. When he wanted him to, when they were playing that, you know, that one, that one three, one packed in zone defense, I don't even know what I'm talking about, but they were very defensive-minded and he wanted Ovechkin to lead the team and hits and, and block shots and all that stuff. And that was not for Ovee. No, he was reduced, but until they won the Stanley Cup.

as far as they went. That was probably the Capp's best postseason performance since the Bessian had been there. Right. They won the first round, and then they went Boston. They beat Boston. They beat Boston.

And then they were eliminated by the Rangers in seven games. Right. And they were hard-fought games. That was a tough team. Didn't they lose? That was one of those losing game sevens at home, right? Yeah.

I believe so. God, man. I don't know. I can't speak to that. But I just know that that's when, that was the downtime for Alex Ovechkin in any organization, definitely. So, yeah, there have been those times like that. The Dale Hunter team that beat, that was the team that beat Boston in that seventh game on the road.

They lost to the Rangers, yes, in the next series, four, three. I don't know where that series was played. Okay, whatever. I'll tell you one thing. They haven't won many series period during the Ovechkin era. Eight times they have been eliminated in the first round. And actually, I know we're getting sidetracked from the original conversation, but one of the things in talking to Ted today on radio,

there's no doubt that he could use another one. and Alex could use another one. You know, a first-round exit against Montreal, you know, when they start next weekend or Ottawa, I think those are the two potential opponents. I mean, thank God they got the one in 2018, because it would be considered to be one of the biggest wastes of a generational talent in sports history

if the team hadn't produced that one Stanley Cup. And hockey's weird that way because it isn't necessarily reflective of how good the team was. Right. Although Lemieux won a bunch, Crosby won a bunch, Gretzky won a bunch, right? Yeah. Yeah, the comparables don't hold up well. As it is, even with the one Stanley Cup, you could argue about, you know, not making the most of the Ovescan era on the ice. That's what I'm saying. He and I talked about that a little bit, and I asked him, I said, you know, you haven't won a series. That Cups now seven years ago. And you said that there was a lot of pressure on you, the organization, but you was the owner not to waste a generational talent.

And you broke through. But it's now, you know, seven years later, and the team hasn't won a playoff series. And are you feeling it, you know, again? And, you know, you know, Ted, I mean, you know, you know, Ted. There's a long answer there. But the sense of it that I got was a first-round exit is going to be painful. Like they really need a deep run. And the other thing, too, is I think, and you tell me if you think I'm right,

because of Ovechkin, because they're good this year, but primarily because of Ovechkin, And by the way, the timing of 895 coming very late in the season. I sense an anticipation for the Caps playoffs from fans in the area at a really high level compared to other years. I think that's accurate. I think that's probably right. I think people are going to be pumped up. I mean, it starts a week from Saturday or a week from Sunday. I guess we'll find out next week when their game will.

one is, you know, the other thing, too, is goal number 900 is going to be a big deal. That's kind of a momentous number and event. What if he were to get like two or three tonight, then we're in 900 countdown over the final four games? I don't think they want that. I don't think they want to deal with that going into the playoffs. But anyway. I don't think they do either.

And actually, I'll be at Sunday's games. the home finale, this fan appreciation day, although I think most fans already appreciate what Alex Ovechkin has done this here and delivered for them. I think they appreciate you too, so make sure to say hello to everybody when you're there. So basically that exercise of you've got five championships. For me, it would be two Super Bowls, two, two Maryland basketball titles and a Wizards NBA championship.

I would love to see the Wizards win an NBA championship, you know, before I am gone from this earth. I think it would be such a big deal. God, you know, I mean, you and that very, you know, sort of got annoying after a while, the Ernie record. thing that you did for all those years. But it is true. Like, this has been over a 40, what would it be, 79, 21, and 20, a 46 year period.

This is the only NBA franchise that hasn't even had just, you know, a prayer at some point. They haven't won 50 games since 1970. I know. I remember the year. They were good. They were the defending champs. There are franchises that didn't exist. back then that exists now that have won more than 50 games in the season.

Yeah. I think I can only imagine what those games would be like. Look, I went to a lot of... What should have been more annoying to you? What should have been Ernie's pathetic performance, not me bringing it up. That's a little bit misguided. No, no, you, you, it just got, I mean, it just got a little bit annoying. I mean, you're posting his record every, every game. What should have been annoying was the record, not who was posted. Well, you know what? I can do more than one thing at a time. You were annoying, and their record was annoying.

But if they were to actually contend, it would be such a big deal. And I don't really consider the Beal Wall teams or the Gil-Kuran-Antoine teams as teams that anybody gave serious. consideration to competing for a title. Because LeBron was in the conference. There was something, Miami and Cleveland, whichever team he was on when they were good, they were going to be in the way. But those games against the Celtics, you know, that year that they lost to Boston in Game 7 at Capital One,

I went to like three of them, or two of them in that series and a couple in the series before against Atlanta. Those were great crowds. It was fun. All right. I don't know what else we have. We'll figure it out. We have not talked enough about football, and we probably should. So come up with an idea between now and the time we start the next segment.

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It doesn't seem like it, does it? Like, this draft is kind of sneaking up, I feel like, on fans of the team. Now, the hardcore people out there, I know, I get all your stuff, and I'm following it as well. But this is a draft in which Washington is selecting 29th, and they don't have a need at the most important position on the field quarterback. That's the key. Yeah. There's no feeling that we need a savior because they got the savior. everything you're you're trying searching for now is a is a is a piece you know it's not the piece

and i think that that sort of it takes a little bit of the wind out of the sales you know the latest in the first round this franchise has selected um in this century in the first round now there have been some trades back, all right, so, you know, we could go back to where they were selected, selecting. But 29 will be the lowest spot in the first round. Washington is picking since 2002 when they drafted Patrick Ramsey at number one at number 32 overall. Now, that was not their selection that year. But the first picks for them, I mean, last year, obviously, number two overall. Forbes was 16, Dotson was 16,

Jaman Davis was 19, Chase Young was 2, Dwayne Haskins was 15. They traded back into the first round. Duran Payne was 13. Jonathan Allen was 17. Josh Doxon, coming off the division win in 2015, was 22. And look, you know, I thought about that draft to a certain degree because we had a quarterback.

That was the last time that it was like, hey, we got a quarterback. Kirk came off a really good 2015. They won the division. They had a playoff game. They were picking 22. And I remember the buildup for that draft wasn't super anticipated. The year before that, Brandon Sheriff number five overall. And then the two years before that, those picks were gone because of the RG3 trade,

you know, the trade with the Rams to get up to pick RG3. at two. Carrigan was at 16 before that. Trent Williams at four before that. Iraq Poet 13. I mean, I'm all the way back to 2009. This is just, this is crazy that I'm excited to see what they do because I also feel like you got a competent group and they had a pretty good draft class last year, you know, and it might look even better this coming season. And there are going to be a lot of opportunities, but I really feel like the buildup to this draft for our fan base is the least sort of excited we've been in a long time for a draft. I think you're right. I think the obvious question is you've already solved the biggest problem, you know, and you don't have that many as draft picks because you've made trade for players who you hope.

that someday the people you're going to draft will be as good as the players you've traded for. Yeah. You know, the other part of this, too, Tommy, is they've been very busy in the offseason already. There's been so much to take in going back to the Latimore trade, but that was during the season. But the Debo trade, the tonsil trade, you know, the signings of Kinlaw and Goldman and Jones, and Harris. They've been very busy. They needed to be because they had so many players on one-year deals. But, you know, the bringing back of Wagner and Ertz.

And there's just been a lot of, you know, activity for this team since the season ended. And, you know, they're left with just five choices, too. But I read this about the draft. this from Jordan Reed at ESPN what we're hearing about the commander's draft. He wrote, The commanders have only five picks

so they could try to trade down to accumulate more. GM Adam Peters targeted players who were ready to play immediately in last year's draft and I expect the same this year. Washington needs help along the defensive line

but running back might be an early play. Brian Robinson Jr. and Austin Eckler entering the last year of their contracts. Yeah, I think anything's possible other than quarterback and probably left tackle. Yeah, I think so too. And I think most fans, I mean, me, I'm not a fan, but looking objectively, I would think that a running back or an edge rusher are their two top priorities.

Yeah, I think that the best player available, as long as it's not a quarterback or a left tackle will be the selection, and I think it could be a safety, I think it could be a corner, I think it could be a linebacker, a D-tackle, an edge-rusher, an edge-setter, edge rusher. It could be a guard. You know what? It probably won't be a center either.

It could be a guard. It could be a right tackle. It could be a receiver. It could be a running back. Yeah. And there's a lot, you know, at running back in this, draft. And, you know, I think the idea of trading up is a long shot, but I would not eliminate it completely as a possibility. And I say that because in conversations over the years with people

who are involved in drafts, they often talk about how many players they have with a first round grade. And more often than not, they don't have 32 players with a first round grade. Like the average is more like 23 or 24 players that have a first round grade. And so when you're picking at 29, you really don't want to pick a player at 29 that you don't have a first round grade on. That's why the attempt to trade back makes a lot of sense. But a lot of teams from, let's just say that most teams have 24 players with first round grades. Well, teams 25 through 32, they're going to be looking to trade back and pick up more picks. Teams like to do that anyway because the draft is such a crapshoot. So, you know, the more opportunities you get, if you hit on 30% of 10

picks, that's better than 30% of five picks. But what I was going to say is that if they have a player or two, let's just say it's the last couple of players that they have first round grades on. and they're now realizing they're not going to get a player with a first round grade, and they can't trade back. Could they trade up to 24 for a player that they have a first round grade on and would be the best player available, much more so than somebody they take at 29 or even at 61, and they can't trade back? I think a lot of people, a lot of fans are always in favor of trading back, and I get it,

and I think it's smart to trade back, accumulate picks, have more swing. at it in the draft. But, you know, if there's a player that can make an impact and they've got a first round great on that player, but they've got to give up, you know, their fourth rounder to move up, don't be shocked if that happens. I'm not predicting it by any stretch of the imagination. I would predict a trade back much more so than I would predict to trade up. But these teams always have, and Washington's in that position, where they're picking 29th and they may only have 22 players with first round grades. And now they're going to be forced to take a player ahead of where they think that player should go. And that happens all the time because

other teams that might be trading up recognize this same thing. Therefore, they don't trade up. but two weeks away and it seems like there's nowhere near the level of anticipation like last year or even the year before for that matter. I don't know, maybe that last year of Rivera. I guess the 23 draft was also the first draft of new ownership. So that's right. There was that. And they came off a pretty good season in 2020.

They were 8-8-1. Somebody had that one. 8-8-1. All right. What else? You done? Because I'm done with you. Yes, I think my work here is done.

Seriously, go watch some golf this weekend. I think you'd be really surprised at how many of those players grew up on public courses that are out there kicking ass this weekend. All right, that's it. I'll be back tomorrow. See you, Tommy. See you, boss.