The Kevin Sheehan Show - RFK Site Plan Passes But...

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

Kevin and Thom with plenty of Jayden Daniels "injured or not" discussion to start. The boys also looked ahead to the Dallas game and took a look back at the 4th and 2 from the Eagles game. Then it was the breaking news of the day....the RFK Site Plan passed through the Senate Committee. What's next and how much closer to a return to DC did we get. Ovechkin, Tyson-Paul, and more was a part of the show as well.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's in studio with me today. The show's presenting sponsor, as always, is Windonation. Give them a call at 86690 Nation or head to Windonation.com if you need new windows.

From Jenkins. Jenkins writes Tommy, I guess for now the trip to New Orleans in February is on hold. Yeah. It's on hold, Jenkins. It is, and I realized as you walked in here, and you said, did you read my column? And I said, not yet. And you said, well, you better read it and retweet it. When there's a Thursday night game, it's been a while.

So we kind of have to go back to Thursday night's game and talk about it a little bit. When you're in here on a Tuesday following a Sunday night game or a Sunday game, it's easy because we're within 48 hours. Yes, because lots of things could. have happened in the world between Thursday night and Tuesday afternoon. A lot of things did happen in the world. Yes. Yes. Yes. I was buffered to sleep by Tyson and Paul on Friday night. I know you tweeted about it and you and I were texting back and forth.

Yeah, I mean, so look, there's several things we're going to get to on the show today, including the RFK site bill, which was passed in the Senate committee. That's good news, but it's not a slam-d-up. on anything. I had Eric Flack from WUSA Channel 9 on the radio show and got kind of the lay of the land as I did from somebody else who used to be involved in it from Washington's perspective, Joe Maloney, who I think will join me on the show tomorrow, which I will. A lot of issues there. We'll get to it in the next segment. That's when we'll get to it. We're not going to lead with that. We're going to lead with Jaden Daniels, right? Well, before we get to Jaden Daniels. What do you need to

I want to give a shout out. Of course. Okay, two shoutouts real quick. One, a shout out to the East Strasbourg University Warriors football team. Uh-huh. They've made the Division II playoffs for the second straight year. That's terrific. East Strasbourg.

Now, this, remember I spoke at the stadium that was dedicated to my high school's coaches. Right. You know, this is college I'm talking about here. Right. East Rowsburg University. But at East Rowsburg High School South, Ed Christian, who was the long-time football coach, they named the football stadium after him after he passed away.

Just to give you an impact, an idea of the impact on this guy, the coach for East Strasbourg University is a guy named Jimmy Terwilliger. He owns many Division II quarterback records. He played football at East Strasbourg University, where he coaches now. He played high school football at East Strasbourg University, at East Strasbourg High School for Ed Christian. That was the guy that gave the Hemingway book. Yes.

Yeah. Old Man in the Sea. The coach at East Strausberg. Was it Old Man in the Sea? Yes, it was. The coach at East Strasbourg High School, which just won a district championship recently, is a guy named Matt Walters.

He played at East Strasbourg High School for Ed Christian. Wow. So this guy's impact is all over town from the college to the high school. So I just want to give a shout out to the Warriors for making the Division 2 playoffs. And I found out something last night that made me so happy.

Rockford Files is now on Amazon Prime. I will tell you this, for whatever reason, and it must be because I just watched it one time. You know, I'm a YouTube TV guy now. Okay. And I, and, you know, when you hit home, a bunch of the shows that are, come on.

And Rockford Files always pops up. Does it really? Yeah, it just always pops up. I must have watched it one night and it, you know, whatever. And I didn't know it was on Amazon Prime. It just got put on Amazon Prime. Because it was on Peacock for a long time. Right.

And then they took it off. And it was nowhere to really be found. You could find it in certain places if you looked hard enough. But now it's on Amazon Prime. So I watched Rockford Files last night instead of Monday Night Football. Was Angel Martin? the episode? No, Angel was not in the episode. Okay. Angel was not there.

We have, from the 70s, we have that in common. I loved Friday night on NBC, which included Rockford Files at 9 and had Sanford and Son and Chico and the man, the 8 o'clock hour. Yes. And the 10 o'clock hour would have been policewoman with Angie Dickinson. I don't think on Friday night. No? No. I think that was a Tuesday night show. Okay. You know, in talking about the Division 2 college playoffs, which were definitely on the agenda for the show, I just pulled up the bracket. And East Strasbourg plays California of Pennsylvania in a first round game Saturday at 1 o'clock. They're in the Cutstown bracket.

The Coots Town bracket. it. Shepard College, which is up in Shepardstown, West Virginia, which we have a lot of listeners from, because it's almost like an outer, outer, outer, outer burb of D.C. because a lot of people jump on the mark train and come in to work from there. They've had a very good division two football program for a long time. And so when you mentioned that East Strasbourg was in, I pulled up the bracket to see if Shepard made it. They didn't this year. They had, and then I went to their schedule. They went six and five this year.

Let's see if they played East Strowsburg. No, they didn't, but they played Kutztown and lost 24 to nothing. They did play East Rowsberg. They did. Yeah, they lost 28 to 7 on Saturday, November 9th. Kutztown is my wife's alma mater. It's an art college, but they've put a lot of players in the pros. Yeah.

Doug Denison, Bruce Harper. Wow. Jets? A few others. Did I get Bruce Harper? Yeah, you got Cowboys in the Jets. Yeah. Yeah, there's, there's, Andre Reid is a Kutztown State.

Of course. Yes, Hall of Fame receiver. Hall of Fame wide receiver. So even though it's in our college, they put a lot of football players in the NFL. I thought if Andre Reed should be in, Gary Clark should be in personally.

But you wouldn't get any argument from me about that. Well, they'll be watching the game. Will the game be televised at Rudy's? Oh, I'm sure the game will be televised at Rudy's. I mean, that'd be a great spot. to be Saturday afternoon. Yes, it would. This is where James Franklin, the Penn State coach, played football at East Trousburg University. He's a bit under the gun at Penn State.

Yes, he is because he just can't beat anybody really, really good, but they've got a very good team. And I think they're going to be in the playoffs. I think they're not in the playoffs. Even if they're not in the Big Ten championship game. And if he gets lucky somehow on the playoffs and manages to pull out a national championship out of it, you know, that'll go a long way towards easing the continuous loss to Ohio State. You know, it's interesting, Tommy, and we have not talked a lot of college football together. Usually if I talk it, I'll talk it on Monday or Friday with a guest, and this Friday we're going to try to get somebody on as well,

because this is, believe it or not, the next to last regular season weekend of the year. I mean, college football season is the fastest. It is the shortest. It seems like it's over before it starts. But in this first year of the 12-team playoff, it's really going to be difficult, you know, even on the back end to get teams in is at large bids. But the race for the top four for the conference championships,

there's nothing that's a lock at this point. You know, you have, like Colorado right now has a very good chance. Now, they have a very tough opponent this weekend in Kansas, who is four and six but on a role. If Colorado gets into that big 12 championship game and plays somebody like BYU, they could be in the playoff. Dion's had a hell of a season. You know, after, you know, they started, you know, losing at Nebraska big.

But in this first year of the 12-team playoff, there are going to be so many arguments. You always knew that. But this year, it's like there are so many teams that seem like here over the last two weeks and then championship weekend could play. play their way in. I'll never forget when they first started to even discuss this. And I got into an argument with, it was, I'm forgetting who it was. Somebody who is a big, devout college football fan, who said the expansion of the playoff will ruin the sport and will diminish what is the best regular season in sports. I think it's done the opposite. And I felt that way at the time.

It's made so many more games at the end of the season and will make championship weekend two weeks from Saturday, Friday night and Saturday crucial. A lot of them will be playing games. So it's great. But there's no clear cut, like dominant team. Oregon's undefeated. And the other undefeated is Indiana, all right? An Army who plays Notre Dame this weekend. That line opened at 16.

to 14. Interesting. But I don't think anybody would look at Oregon and say they can't lose. They almost lost at Wisconsin Saturday. Yeah. They have a one-point win over Ohio State. It's going to be cool. They have the unveiling of the rankings tonight. It's their second or third unveiling of the updated rankings for the playoffs.

That's been fun. But anyway, let's go back to Thursday night. By the way, congratulations, East Rowsberg. What's the team's nickname? The Warriors. That would have been a good nickname for our team here. I think so. That's what somebody tells me.

That would have been a good one. Could have kept the logo and everything. Yeah. So what did you think of the game on Friday? We'll get to your column because that is a big topic, and I introduced it yesterday, although we've all been talking about it now for about a week. But what did you think about the game? Well, initially, there were two things I took out of the game.

One, I mean, you know, Jane Dan, Daniel's play and how the Eagles, who we knew had a good defense going into the game, were able to contain him. But the Washington defense was able to contain for at least three quarters, three quarters and a half of a fourth, the Eagles offense. Well, two quarters, really. Philadelphia didn't get stopped in the second half. It's a bit of a misnomer. The score, yes, they only had six points through three quarters.

Right. But Washington didn't stop them at all in the second half. They moved, they scored on, they had the ball four times and they scored 23 points because they missed an extra point. But the score was 10 to 6 going into the four. I know, but it's because they were in the midst of another long drive, their second long drive. Okay. You know, it's, they don't get points for those. Well, you don't, who did I get into this argument with?

I think it was Polly maybe on the air or on DM. They didn't stop them in the second half. they gave up 270 yards on 28 plays, and they gave up three touchdowns in a field goal. There's nobody in their right mind that would say they played well in the second half defensively. With that said, I thought they were outstanding in the first half. It's just that Washington got the ball first, ate a bunch of clock. Philadelphia got the ball kicked a field goal. Washington got it back, and then Philadelphia, in the midst of another 10 or 11 play drive,

that went into the fourth quarter. They didn't stop them at all in the second half. Well, actually, they made them kick a field goal in the first drive. Okay. But after they had had the ball for, you know, 50-some-odd yards and 11 plays or whatever. But I thought it was the second game in a row in which I came away more encouraged by the defense than anything else. The defense was not the reason they lost the game. No, it wasn't.

Yes. So anyway, continue with what you were going to say about them offensively. Okay. I, you know, well, it's hard to separate what happened in the game to the conversation about Jane Daniels, but we'll try to do it. You know, other than that, my only point of contention is going for the fourth, going for the fourth down. What would you have done? I would have kicked the field call. Yeah, me too.

I mean, it was 10. At that point, it's 12 to 10. you're in the fourth quarter. Points are hard to come by. In that game, they were? Yes. Yeah. You know, so if you have a chance to get three,

that basically, that's like 25% of what you scored so far. Right. You know, so, I mean, I've got to kick the field goal. Dan Quinn said it was a bold call. You know, I mean, I just think he got caught in the moment. You know, if he wants to project, well, Philly will get the ball back, and we won't be able to stop them. Yeah.

Well, why didn't he? he project that it's going to be so loud in that stadium on fourth and two that your quarterback might not be able to hear all that, you know, your players. That's not involved in the analytics. No. Yeah. No, so in other words, if you're projecting, you only project how you see it going for you. Yeah.

I mean, he didn't project what could go wrong. Look, they could have missed the field goal. That, I mean, what was it, a 44-yard? Yeah, it was a chip shot. I mean, 43-44 is a chip shot in the base. He's been solid, yeah. Gonzalez. Yeah.

So, you know, that would have been a big takeaway at that point. You know, I don't know if they would have won the game because, like you said, but that seemed to be a point where the game sort of changed a little bit. Yeah. You know? And like you said, once Barkley got rolling, they couldn't stop them, and they might have lost anyway, probably. But I just think that would.

It's that and Jane Daniels, but you can't separate the game from the continuing, discussion that we're having at this moment about the Washington rookie quarterback. In which, you know, the sun is a big part of how we view him. Yes. Everything else is a planet. You just... And he's the son. You just reminded me that somebody did send me, and I forget who it was, the analytics call on that fourth and two, and it was a slight lean to go for it.

I would have thought just, I don't know, for whatever reason, fourth and two, every time I see, you know, the analytics call on TV, which I don't know that they put it up there on Thursday night, I don't think they did. It just always is go for it. And I just think the context was you had gone two plays for minus one yard before the fourth down, let alone the fact that you needed the points to take the lead. And the other kicker missed two field goals and an extra point.

Yes. So I would have definitely kicked the field goal, but I did understand, like, it wasn't the craziest thing or the most unreasonable explanation from Quinn. I just would have disagreed and I would have gone for it. So the topic is Jaden Daniels. And specifically, and I talked about this on the podcast yesterday last night, you know, he was ready to say what he said yesterday. You know, he was ready to say what he said yesterday. You know, he was waiting for a question where he could talk about Jaden Daniels not being injured. Yes. Do you agree with me? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying that John's question was a set up question for it at all. No, I'm just saying he came out there prepared to say that.

He, 100%. Absolutely. And he wanted to say, which he did say, quote, and we talked about this yesterday, after John Kheim asked him, about the offensive struggles in the last two games. He said, quote, I want to first start off by saying clearly and honestly, Jaden is not injured right now. And then he went into explaining that he hasn't had a lot of reps. You know, they had walked throughs before Philly.

When he was coming off the injury, he was listed on the injury report, and he was limited in those practices leading into the Chicago and the giant game. And so I did a call segment today on radio just asking, do you believe them or not? You know, and we actually put out a Twitter poll, do you believe them or not? And it's like 55, 40, you know, 5545, people don't believe them. And I would say my calls were pretty much split as well. So I'd ask you, do you believe him? I don't know if I believe him.

I don't necessarily believe him. I don't know. That doesn't necessarily mean he's lying. I just don't know. It's, this is a complicated situation because you could make the case either way. First of all, I think, and this is what I wrote about, I think the majority of the fans are hoping Jaden Daniels is hurt. Because that would explain his subpar game. Because that would explain his subpar game. I think the alternative that he's playing that bad is more worrisome for them than he comes. I mean, because it's not like he's got knee injury. It's not like he's got a shoulder injury. It's a rib injury.

And we all know that ribs can heal. So I think most of the fans out there are saying he's got to be hurt because he can't possibly play this poorly. Not the guy we saw, you know, for the first seven or eight weeks of the season. So I think that's kind of comical that everyone was worried about him getting hurt. And now fans are hoping he's actually hurt because that was at least all. for some sort of explanation. Right. I think, look, Ron Jaworski, and I mentioned him in my column,

he went on 106, 7, a fan, and he said, from what he could see, and I think this is the eye test, he looks hurt. I mean, the way he played, I think visually, he looks hurt out there. Now, I listened to what you said on the radio, and a lot of it makes sense. That would mean basically coaching malpractice, in the sense that they're putting him out there and running him on play, when he's hurt. And that doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense to me. They ran three quarterback counters into the pile. If he was hurt Thursday night, I don't think they would have done that. But you're going to tell me that he's gone from Peyton Manning to John Beck because he missed a couple of coaching sessions? Well, okay.

So. Okay? No, no. These coaches are so brilliant that if you don't spend that much time with them, you all of a sudden turn into this. that's just as hard to believe. Well, let's just start with your Peyton Manning to John Beck.

That's to make a point. That's an exaggeration. I understand that. The truth is that he had an average game against Pittsburgh. And if he hadn't played the previous eight games, we would have thought it was an outstanding game for a rookie quarterback. And then he had a bad game against Philadelphia, his first. It was very much a rookie kind of game because he looked, to me,

unsure of himself more than anything else. But I hear you on the explanation post, you know, honestly and clearly he's not hurt. The walkthroughs, practice, okay, whatever. I think he's, it was, I believe that there's something to that when you don't get a full week of practice and you have a couple of weeks off as you're still, you know, figuring everything out, supposedly, although it certainly looked like he had to figure it out earlier in the season. But I think that it, you know, it beats saying he didn't play well.

He was confused by a really good team and an outstanding one of the best of this century defensive coordinators in Vic Fangio. But he did. But if he was confused, he didn't go to his. He didn't go to what his instinctive type of play. It's because Philadelphia was really good and they didn't allow for it. You know, they have tremendous athletes, too, on the other side of the ball. I know they do.

You mentioned Jaws. Joe Thysman was on with me today, and Joe said he's absolutely not heard. Well, Teworski, who was, you know, so we have different opinions. Yes, and I think a lot of people have different opinions. By the way, this is the best. you know, this kind of thing. Oh, it absolutely is. But this is usually only good in lieu of winning, you know?

Yes. And I would prefer that he had just had great games against Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, and we could have continued our march to New Orleans. Yes. That would have been more fun. But if you put me on the spot, I don't believe that he's not hurt. All right. We'll disagree.

I do believe, I do believe that he, well, let me just also, you know, inject this as a possibility. He's not hurt. He's just sore like, by the way, most players are at this point in the season that play NFL football. You know, somebody pointed out that they're doing this, you know, stimulation with heat, you know, they wouldn't be doing that if he was, you know, wasn't hurt on the sideline. Well, they could be doing it as a preventative. I had somebody else mentioned the hit that I talked about after the Pittsburgh game. There was a big hit to his ribs by T.J. Watt in the back of the end zone very late in that game. But here's what I 100% believe to be true.

In part because they've said it and part in part because I talked about this a week ago, somebody told me this after the Pittsburgh game. He was much healthier going into the Pittsburgh game than he was the previous week or the week before that. cancel out the possibility because they're ribs. Yeah. You know, I mean, you could turn over in bed if you've got injured ribs. That's true. I've had him before.

It's painful. Yes. And so the, I've had him. Not that I was to have him playing football. It was because I picked up a chair too quickly with a bad back and turned too quickly. But anyway, I think that was. what is 100% believable because I was told this, and then they've said it as well,

and it makes sense with what I've seen with my own eyes, and that is he got hurt in the Carolina game. He was limited in practice, listed on the injury report, went into the Chicago game, definitely with a pain threshold to get through, but not injured to the point where they were putting him at risk. He played very well, was not limited in any way. they didn't call the game differently,

and he looked just like he had for the previous seven or eight games, whatever it was at that point. Then the giant game limited again in practice. But he played very well in the giant game. He played exceptionally well. That's his best QBR game of the season. He played very well in the game.

And everything that we didn't see against Philadelphia, quick twitch, ducking a pass rusher, getting out and scrambling, driving balls into tight windows. The throat of Terry at the end of the first half was incredible. And we all walked away from that going, wow. And then I totally believe that they took them off the injury report heading into the Pittsburgh game because he felt as good as he had felt since the Carolina game. And against Pittsburgh, he didn't play badly. I gave him a C plus. You could

have given him a B minus. He made several plays that looked like Jaden Daniels during the game, but they lost by a point and he wasn't as good as he had been and they lost the game and they lost the game to an outstanding team. A defense that just held the Ravens to 16 points. To 16 points and Lamar Jackson to a lesser game than Jaden had a week before

by the eye test, just barely statistically. All that makes sense. And then going into this Philadelphia game, not on the injury report, And by the way, let me just remind everybody. There are strict rules now. These were implemented about two years ago. You start lying about the players that are injured and they end up being out or in, surprisingly.

You can get fine big time. You can have draft picks forfeited. But again, but again, it's the type of, it's not like a knee. It's not like a shoulder. I understand that. It's the type of injury. It's the type of injury that causes discomfort more. more than...

It's pain, not injury. Yes. There's a difference. But pain affects the way you play. It can, but they certainly... Let me finish this, because the Philadelphia thing, not on the injury report.

To be fair, though, it was walkthroughs heading into on a four-game week. So maybe T.J. Watt did hit him in the back of the end zone. That was very late in the game. That was the one he missed, the play after he missed to McCaffrey

on that throw. And who knows? Maybe he was more sore going into the Philadelphia game. I think, because the last conversation I had with somebody was after the Pittsburgh game, and they said, no, no, no, no. He was the best he's been over the last three weeks heading into the Pittsburgh game. That's why he practiced the full week and wasn't on the injury port. Maybe the hit by what were a couple of the other hits in a very physical game against Pittsburgh. Maybe he wasn't.

Maybe he was back to where he was before the giant game. And then you add in four days, little preparation, and even maybe a better opponent defensively. Yes. And you ended up with what you ended up with. I would just, you know, suggest, though, that if he's truly injured, and let's just say he's at 75%, which is the way, you know, I think people have described the passes against Philadelphia, the running against Philadelphia, that is, that's 50. I think people have said that's half of what we've seen before. If that's really what he was capable of, then you got some questions to ask about some of the play calling.

Again. You don't run three quarterback counters in the game. You're right. And that doesn't make sense on its surface. In fact, you start Marcus Marioita. That's what I was going to get to. Because it's four days and he's not right. And they hit from, you know, T.J. Watt in the last game,

set him back a little bit from where he was. and I just think that they would have sat him. I don't think they would have played him in that game if he were really injured. Again, that's logically, you're right. If they did play him, they wouldn't have called some of the plays they called for him. Logically, you're right about all that. Okay. But, but, it does not negate what people have seen.

Here's what I've seen. That's a good question, because what have we seen? I have seen him in really, I think we're talking about the Philadelphia game. Yes. I think anybody that thinks that he didn't drive the ball, make big time throws, you know, on a couple of opportunities, you know. Now, he did not run the football against Pittsburgh. They contained rushed and there just weren't many opportunities to get out and about. And he ended up with, you know, the worst rushing output of the year.

But they called a couple of those zone reads. and they played him. Like the whole game, those ends, High Smith and Watt, on those read options, they were playing Jaden. They were saying, go ahead, give the ball to Echler, give it to him, we're playing you, we're not letting you run, and he made the right decisions.

But I think the game we're really talking about is Philadelphia, because that's the game in which the ball was thrown in a way in which he hasn't thrown the ball, for the most part. Yes. And a couple of things. Number one, he didn't go deep people because they played two split high safeties, which is the Fangio way, and they just didn't have anything deep.

They looked deep a couple of times. I think the interception that he threw was he got frustrated. They were down 1910 at that point. That's following the fourth and two, and then Philadelphia is scoring. And he looks at Terry, and then at the last second, realizes that it looks like they're doubling Terry, but Blankenship makes a really good play to break back towards the, medium route to Noah Brown and he picks off the ball. I think he wanted to throw it deep.

Protection wasn't good. The way they were playing him was to check it down to throw underneath or to run the football. Philadelphia is different from Pittsburgh in that they got four guys. They don't have to blitz. They blitzed a few times. And they got seven that are incredible behind them. They're really effing good and so well coached defensively. He's always been one of my favorites.

I understand that. I've talked about him for years. But he plays, you know, the two splits, and then it disguises it all over the field. They had nothing down field. Nobody was open, really. Gruden pointed that out to me on Friday, and then I went back and watched the game. Jay said, look, nobody was open, you know. And when he did have occasionally people open on checkdowns, for whatever reason,

he didn't hit it quickly enough. The processing and the decision-making, I think, was actually the thing that was most off. And then there were You know, there was some confusion Like the ball that he One hopped to Terry down in the red zone Before they kicked a field goal to make it 10 to 3 I think

That you got Echlor running right into Terry McClure Like there was some confusion everywhere That offensive line struggled Brandon Coleman really struggled Yeah So the protection wasn't there You didn't have a running game against Philadelphia That you should have perhaps leaned on a little bit more

Philly plays too deep. They also only need to rush four to get pressure. Jalen Carter was a monster disrupting everything. And then they're really good on the back end. And I think he was confused. What I saw was confusion, routes being run too closely, and just a rookie night. That's what I saw. But physically he looked tentative.

But he made a couple throws that didn't look tentative. He throws one to Ertz's back shoulder in the second half. That is a Jaden Daniels throw. When they got down 12 to 10, the drive that ended up with the fourth and two, that was the best-looking drive of the night with him throwing the football. Overall, he did not look right. The ball. It seems simplistic.

But the reason, I agree with you, but my reason would be rookie night confused by a great defense and a good coordinator, more than anything else. Okay. Okay? Okay. I'm not discounting that in the Pittsburgh game, maybe he went into this game more sore than he was in the Pittsburgh game,

but I think that's what I saw. And I saw a guy who seemed physically limited, not intellectually limited by what he was facing out there. I saw a guy who was physically limited. But you know what? Let me ask you this. four weeks from now, are we going to look back on this and laugh at how crazy this conversation was? Or is this going to be an issue?

Well, they've got their next three opponents, the Cowboys, the Titans, and the Saints are far from Pittsburgh and Philadelphia defensively. Particularly two, the next two of those three. Well, Tennessee's outstanding defensively. They're just terrible in offense. Dallas with Micah Parsons back and with Mike Zimmer as the defensive coordinator, they're going to some things to muck it up and to try to confuse him. You know, Fangio Zimmer in back-to-back games, Pittsburgh, you know, in everything they've got. This is, you know, this is a nice little test.

Dallas is horrible. Let's get that out of the way right now. They might be the worst team in the NFL. The defense, if it doesn't absolutely dominate Sunday, I'd be really surprised, especially given that I think it's gotten a little bit better. And maybe Latimore will play Sunday. we'll see. Maybe. Which, you know, you put him on CD Lamb, they got no prayer.

He's the only guy they have. But Zimmer and Parsons, they have some team speed defensively. They played hard against Houston, even though they got whooped. That whole situation there, you get stuff falling from the stadium. Did you see that? I mean, they've got a team that's terrible. They're god-awful. They've lost every home game by, except for,

the Baltimore game by like 20 or more. It's really kind of fun to watch. This happened to such a great sort, cowboy fans. And then Tennessee is very good on defense. The Saints actually aren't bad on defense. And then you get the Eagles again. They're going to get tested. I think Sunday should be a – Sunday is a should win game.

Yes. Sunday is a should win game. I said that about the Carolina game. And I'm not so sure the Cowboys aren't worse than the Panthers overall. But it's more of a challenge for the offense this week than it should be for the defense. Because Micah Parsons is a problem. And Zimmer's good. Will he confuse them?

I think Fangio confused them. I think there was a lot of, are they in zone? Are they in man? Are they rushing? You know, what are they doing with these two split safeties that are starting in cover one, going back to two split. I think he looked unsure of himself. I think offensively maybe Cliff Kingsbury was unsure of himself.

Yes, I think so. So, too. But, you know, that's kind of surprising since a couple of coaching sessions seems to be the difference, you know, for Dan Quinn saying they didn't get the later hands on them and teach him for a couple of sessions. That might have made all the difference. Look, Michael Parsons may not be interested in playing very hard on Sunday,

you know? I mean, Dallas is that much of a situation that I think that team is ready to implode from within. Yeah. Last night, they got down 14-0, and then they did show some want to. You know, they got it to 14-7. They were 17-10 threatening. By the way, they went for a fourth and two where the analytics thing pops up green, green, go-for, go for it. And I'm like, this is where you've got to take the people that are telling Mike McCarthy to just take a seat.

because we got Cooper Rush at quarterback. We haven't run the ball for basically more than a yard all night. We have one player, C.D. Lamb, on offense, it's capable. No, we'll take the three. Thank you. And, of course, it was so predictable. They failed on it. But will we be having this? This should be 34 to 14.

So we won't be having this discussion. With Jayden having a really solid game. So you're saying we won't be having this discussion. next week. I hope not. Let me just tell you. Again, if we are having this discussion next week, then everybody is really hoping that Jane Daniels has hurt. But again, Philadelphia, the Cowboys with Parsons back and getting a little healthier

in defense and their coordinator are more capable of being a disruption Sunday than the offense for the Cowboys. And I'm not expecting it to be. I think Washington, should be able to run the ball down the cow. This should be a 200-yard rushing day against the Cowboys with Brian Robin. I think I said that about the Panthers game. I said this should be, you know, this should be Brian Robinson, big day, 200 yards on the

ground, and, you know, this is what it should be. You don't need Jaden dropping back. You don't need them in zone reed. You don't need them in quarterback counters or quarterback powers. You should be able to run it right at them. You should be able to throw it to Terry when you want to throw it to him. This has got 34 to 14 written all over it. I'll be disappointed if it's not that when we're here next week talking.

Speaking of 200 yards, one of my predictions for Thursday night's game was that Barclay would have over 200 yards rushing and I see. I know it was. I have that on my list. He had 198. I know. I know. I was reminded by multiple people.

Tommy got the Barkley footnote right. And I actually told my good friend Ted, who said, it looks, Tommy, he was right on the Barclay numbers. And I said, do you think I'll have to remind him or do you think you tell us? And of course, you brought it up. But I did have it here ready to go to in case you didn't bring it up. I was off on the score, but I had the right foot. You're predictable.

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The Montana Senator Steve Danes was one of 17 out of the 19 that voted, that voted. voted yes. Yes. And he had a long statement. I'm not going to get into it. He basically said, we feel good, the Wetzels and we feel good about what the team's doing, et cetera. And so that was certainly a step that could have happened months ago had Danes not been a problem. And Van Hollins still is a senator that will vote on this bill when it gets to the Senate floor. But that's where now, were you listening to Eric Flack when he was on with me on radio today?

Eric Flack from WUSATV-9 has done a really good job covering the story. Even by the way, the team thinks that Eric has done a great job covering this story and the city as well. But anyway, I digress. He explained

how, like the step by step. So that finally got done. Through the Senate committee, RFK site plan passed. but that's not the end of it. Now it has to go to the entire Senate for a vote. They just need a simple majority to get it passed, and then if that happens,

the district owns or can do with that land what it wants to do for the next 99 years, because it's federally owned land, as we all know. However, because we are in a lame duck session right now, post-election and pre-mid-January, the new Congress comes in, there are essentially nine working days left in the year. And then this Congress is gone, and we wait for the new one to come in in mid-January. Nine working days because of Thanksgiving and because of Christmas.

Right. All right. So Eric said that there are two options to get this through. There's a standalone vote, which he says is not likely. It's a long shot. Because that's the one that Van Hollen and probably Sarbanes too would block. Not Sarbanes. Cardin.

Cardin. We're also Brooks. Okay. It takes over. Yeah. He said that the standalone vote is not a given here with just nine working days left. It's just hard for, they have bills that they're going to vote on, but not everybody's concerned about the RFK site plan like we are.

You have to be able to attach that bill to one of the bigger bills. That's option two. that's being voted on. And that is what he believes is really the most likely way this gets passed in these nine working days left. It gets inserted into an existing bill that will be voted on and will pass. So I asked him, what do you think the odds of that are? And he said, 50-50.

You know, I was reading some of the stories. And everybody refers to this is not a formality. This is far from a formality that it will be passed on the Senate floor or even inserted into a bill. And if it isn't, then you start from scratch with the new Congress in mid-January. And by the way, that means the House has to vote on it again, which when it was passed by the House, remember now, whenever that was, 10 months ago, whatever. It seemed like it was a slam dunk, but Danes really held this thing up. So if you want the stadium, which I would say 80% of you listening probably do at RFK, you've got to hope that this thing either gets voted on, which seems less likely as a standalone,

or gets inserted into an existing bill and voted yes by this lame duck Congress in the few days that they have left. If not, it starts all over. You add another year to the process, and then you get the possibility, I don't know if it's a probability, that Harrison Rails just say, yeah, enough of this. We're not going to go through this whole thing again. We'll do a deal with Maryland. And the team's statement, which I think you have seen, but the team's statement reads as follows.

Today's result is an exciting and significant step forward for the city of Washington, D.C., as it looks to gain long-term control of the RFK site. The commanders have been fortunate to have interest from three, incredible jurisdictions as we search for a new home and stadium. The vote today brings us one step closer towards continuing conversations with DC along with Maryland and Virginia as a potential future home for our franchise. So you could look at that in sort of two ways.

One, they're trying to keep their leverage in negotiations with the city, which I'm sure they've had already, but they can't finalize anything because the city can't do anything with the land. They don't own it yet. And the other part is when they say brings us one step closer, it's not done. It's got to get done here in that insertion into a bill in the nine remaining working days for this lame duck Congress. And then if it doesn't, then, you know, Harris and company either, you know, go at it again with the new Congress starting in January of 2025. Or they say, we're not going to do this again.

and they go back to Maryland and they work out something. I guess the big takeaway is this is really good news, but it's also not the news that you start to celebrate on. That comes when the Senate actually passes this thing, whether it's a rider to an existing bill or they vote on it. So what do you think? You have followed this story. Well, I don't know.

Should I check with Eric first to make sure? Before I say anything, make sure it's right. Huh? Oh my God. Did you just see how sensitive have you got? Should I check with Eric first? I actually mentioned somebody else that I've talked to the stadium about the stadium bill. You're not following this.

Let me explain you. You've had some very good stories. Let me explain something to you. You've had some very good stories. You know the whole Van Hollen thing? Yeah. You know who broke that? I know you did.

Me. I know. You know who's report? But Van Hollen's not on the Senate committee. Right. But you know who's reported it since then? You. Eric.

Oh, okay. Okay. Do you know who he gave credit for? No. Nobody. Well, maybe he didn't read the Washington Times. No, because I reminded him. You reminded him after or before? After.

And he said, yeah, Tom, you've done some great reporting on this. And so did he, did he have knowledge that you had reported it before? Yeah, I don't know if he did. Oh, well, you said, he kind of implied that he did. Well, if he had knowledge that you had reported before. I have no idea. And didn't you give, since I wrote a big, that's bullshit. Since I wrote a big column about it.

In the Washington Times. Yes. And all you got to do is Google it to, you know, RFK Stadium site. I would think yes. Okay. Okay. So I'm not sure if I should check. Eric's done an okay job.

I'm not sure if I should check with him or not. You don't need to check with them. Okay. Because I've heard something from reliable sources. Okay. Okay. The team has, Josh Harris, through spokesman, has denied this. So has the governor of Merrill.

but I've heard that the team sent a message to Governor Westmore saying, you need to get Van Hollen to back off on this. If you don't, we're not going to do business with you. Okay, which in a way to me doesn't make sense because they're going to have to do business Maryland at some point. But there's very little leverage the team has against Chris Van Hollen. So what I've been told is they've sent a message. saying you get Van Hollen to back off or else we're not going to talk to you anymore

about the stadium in Maryland. But if they get this inserted into an existing bill, then it won't matter. Then it will matter. And Van Hollen, even if it was a stand-alone vote, if they get a simple majority, it passes. No, he can block it from reaching the floor. He can? Yes. Okay.

Yes. So, but he can't do anything about it being. attached as a rider to a bill? No. Okay. No. So, I mean... Well, the, I mean, the person that I had on radio earlier, I forget his name now, he's

done an okay job reporting in the story, did say that the standalone vote is a long shot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that would be problematic. Now, we have to hope that... I mean, of all the things you would say. But you've done this to me so many times.

Of all the things you even say. I remember one time just saying, that's really nice. But have you listened to the show the last couple of weeks with you on it? I told you that this happened three weeks ago, per a source. I do remember. Look, I referenced your Van Hollins story many times. I also reported that also Brooks said the same thing, too. Okay.

Okay. So what do you think is going to happen? I don't think it's going to reach the floor for a vote. Okay. I think it's less than 50-50. Well, that's, I think everybody kind of understands it's not going to reach the floor for a vote. Will it get attached as a rider to an existing bill? It may not.

It depends on how much power Van Hollen wants to exert. Look, I mean, I know this makes people angry, but why should Chris Van Hollen help the District of Columbia get the stadium. Here's one reason. Most of his constituents might actually prefer the stadium to be in D.C. Yeah, but economically.

True. Of course. That's not the best thing for his constituents. Right. Okay. So I understand, and that hasn't changed. That motivation has not changed. Hold on. Let me text there to see what he thinks. So.

All right. So. So I think There's less than 50-50, but you know what? I'm not Eric Flack, so I don't know. So let me ask you this. If you believe it's less than 50-50 that it gets attached to an existing bill and passes before they adjourn in December,

do you think that Harris will wait and deal with the next Congress and start all over? Or do you think at that point they'll drop D.C. and just start figuring it out with Maryland? Well, like I've said all along, I think it's going to wind up in Maryland. I think the next Congress is very volatile and unpredictable. Okay. So I don't know what, I don't know what if they know what to expect in terms of the way the next Congress is going to deal with the district.

They might say if you bring the name back, we'll vote it through. And so I think, I think people in the district are worried about how the next Congress is going to let them conduct business, period. I hear you. You know, plus, you know, the district right now, there's an investigation. Axios news has reported that the Attorney General of the district is looking into the gambling contract that the city made, you know, for possible, you know, abuses and misconduct. So I think the city may have, the city's very unpredictable too. Okay.

The city council has never said that they're in favor of this. And if anything, it may likely be split down. the middle in terms of the and then city council has so so even if you get to the step in terms of a in terms of trying to get this done quickly the city is a slow road it's a slow path but don't you think that they've got the parameters of a deal already in place oh absolutely not not on the city council absolutely not that would be passed on the city council no i'm talking about whomever it is, the CFO of D.C., I forget his name, and the people in Bowser's group that have been talking to, because in this statement, you know, continuing conversations, we look forward to, you know, one step closer towards continuing conversations with D.C. along with Maryland, Virginia. So they've been talking.

The Ameris Administration. There's probably the parameters of the district giving them. a level of comfort that they can get them, let's just say a billion dollars of the $3 billion dollar stack. That's a big leap of faith. I'm not saying that the council is in. I'm saying that they have told them financially what instruments they'll use, et cetera, to raise the money.

But they're so far behind in creating those instruments. Yeah. I mean, they have to create a stadium authority in order to, they have to create a separate entity, a quasi-government entity, to be able to finance the bonds that they would need. Right. You don't think that they've laid out a plan that addresses those things yet. But they haven't implemented it yet. I mean, implementation.

Well, you're not going to implement it if the team, if you don't own the land. There's nothing stopping them from creating the stadium authority yesterday. Cost. What's it cost? Well, there's a- Create something that on paper. Well, I don't know. I mean, there's, remember, they spent.

How much money did they spend just to look into the possibility of what they would do to keep the wizards and the caps in town? They spent a shitload of money. I just think that the district will be the slow road and they need a quick road. Yeah, that point, and we'll end it on this, if they don't get this thing attached to a bill in the next 30 days or whatever the last day of Congress, Congress is in December, then you're looking at 2031 when the new stadium will open. Best case. Versus if they stay on the site that they currently own the land for and the Maryland deal is a good one, you could have a new stadium opened in 2029.

Yes. So I'm going to stick with what I've said all along. I think the owners really want to be at RFK. I think that plenty of people in the city want to be at RFK and that somehow, even though I totally hear you and believe you that there's a Van Hollen issue in Maryland, there is a city council issue in D.C. I think they'll end up building a stadium on the RFK site eventually.

By the way, the bill's state. stadium that just went up a half a billion dollars in overestimates. What do you mean? The Buffalo Bills New Stadium. Those things always come in over budget. Yeah, well, this is now a half a billion dollars over budget. Yeah. Okay, so the longer you wait, the more it's going to cost.

Yeah, I guess. All right. We have a couple of other things to talk about, including Alex Vechkin getting injured. There is now, and there's an update on his injury. we'll read that to you, but before he got injured last night, two more goals. I mean, it's almost impossible to believe. Yeah, and we'll talk about Friday night's Tyson Paul a fiasco. That's next after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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He leads the NHL in goals, two better than two other players who have 13. He got his 14th and 15th last night, end to first period, early second period, and a 6 to 2 win over the Utah Hockey Club. Yes. But then he got hurt, and the update to the injury just came out. In fact, Wyshinsky, who was on radio with me this morning, Greg Wyshinsky, and I'm sure all the Caps beat reporters, they're calling it a week to week lower leg injury. Further evaluation with the team physicians on Wednesday. But that's the word as of now.

It was not a dirty play. It was a collision kind of leg, leg, knee, kind of a thing that both were going for the puck. I even asked Wyshinsky today on radio, I said I didn't see that as a cheap shot, even though Tom Wilson basically took the guy on. Yes, afterwards, which is protocol, I'm pretty sure.

You have to do that, right? In bar rooms and hockey ring. Yeah. Yeah, I know my friend was loud. I know he was the obnoxious one, but you still smacked him in the face. So we're going to have to deal with you. Only one of those places is assault legal.

Yeah, true. But anyway, let's hope he's okay. Week to week does not sound promising. It doesn't. I was going to ask you that. Day to day would have sounded much more promise. Day to day would have sound much better. Yeah.

Week to week doesn't sound promising at all. So this guy has found the fountain of youth at 39 years old. And it's a shame if he misses a bunch of games, that would be a real shame because he was on track for 68 goals, which would be the best goal scoring year of his career. career, which he had 65 of, and he'd break Gretzky, you know, at this rate. Yesterday was February. After last night, it's like mid-January that he would break. Now, he's not going to continue on that pace, especially if he's not playing. But the team's really good, too.

The team's really good, too. That's what also making is a lot of fun, is, look, they made a bunch of moves in the off-season. People thought they would be different, maybe a little bit improved. I don't think most people thought they'd be this good. So it's been a pleasant surprise. And I'll be curious to see how they play without him, you know, while he's out. If he's had that much of an impact.

I think if they keep getting traffic in front of the net, you do. I think they'll continue. You do? It's fine, I do. I think it's all about traffic in front of the net. He's leading the league and scoring? Yes.

Who's he ahead of? Oh, I don't know. You want me to look that up? Yeah, why don't you look that up for me? Why are you interested in that? I mean, I'm curious about my hockey information. Hold on, let me just see. He's two goals in front of Sam Reinhart in Florida.

And what about anybody else close by? Let's see. Yeah, Leon D. in Edmonton. He's in front of him. You that tight with him that you call Leon D? I do. Okay. I didn't know you guys were that close.

Yeah. He's two goals in front of him as well. Okay. So anyway, traffic in front of the net, good team. Best record right now in their division. Yeah. You know? And I was unaware of the Winnipeg Jet story when Wyshinsky said it's the best story of the year, Ovechkin, except for the one that's going on in Winnipeg.

To which there was not a follow-up question, because I didn't know what the hell he was talking about, but I quickly looked it up. And they are 15 and 3. I guess that's a really good start. In hockey. Were they a struggling franchise? Good question. Let me see if they made the postseason last year. No, they were a good team last year.

They finished second in the central. They had the second best record in the West. Were they threatening to leave town or something like that? Leave Winnipeg? Yeah. Manitoba? I don't think so. Okay.

Is it Manitoba? I think it is. I don't know. Have you ever been to Winnipeg? I have not. No, I have not. I've been to Calgary. I have never been in Western Canada.

I've been in California, you would love. Vancouver, I've been in Calgary in the wintertime. That was not pleasant. Been in Toronto, been in Montreal. Yeah, I've been to Toronto, Montreal many times, both cities. And I think that would be the four cities. And I've been to Quebec City, too, once. Speak French there.

Fabulous city. Really? Fabulous. I highly recommend it. The Nordiques. For a vacation. At La Colisee was the arena that they played. Wow, look at you.

Yeah. It's a good thing you know about hockey 40 years ago. Exactly. Ask me about hockey 40 years ago, and I'm good. Ask me about, you know, who's a couple of goals behind Ovechkin right now? Not so good. Lastly, we'll finish up with, I did text you, right, about Tyson Paul. So did you stick with it?

Yeah, I stuck with it. I didn't. I got buffered out of it. And, oh, we have to talk about, though, real quickly, the two women that fought in the prelim, the prelim before. Right. That's one of the most vicious fights I've ever seen. How did they not stop the fight with her— Serrano was her name? Her eye, that eye should have been stopped.

I don't understand how they didn't stop the fight. They must have said that it's not obstructing her vision. Her eye, literally, her eyelid was folded over. Yeah. It was a piece of meat. It was a piece of meat. Yeah. Yeah.

They should have stopped the fight. I've seen fights stop for far less. Yeah. Than that. But that, you know, I guess for the promoter, Jake Paul wouldn't have liked that. You know? So what did I miss after the Netflix disaster? Well, you didn't miss anything.

I went on social media, and I think the whole thing was a con. I think they had an agreement between the two fighters that they wouldn't hurt each other. and I think that's the way they fought. You know, people were talking about Tyson, that his legs were hurt. You know, he's 58 years old. He did not engage except for early in the fight. And I think at that point, you know, maybe they realize that maybe he realized, oh, that's not what I'm supposed to do to engage early, you know, to engage like that. He just did not, it's not in his nature, not to attack when he's, when somebody's in front of him throwing punches.

I don't think he would be afraid of getting hit by Jake Paul that much. I just don't. So basically he chose not to fight. He bounced around, held his gloves in front of his mouth, chewed on his gloves while he was holding them in front of his mouth. And Jake Paul threw a punch in Mike's direction here and there. But it was a $60 million con job. $40 million for Jake Paul, $20 million for Tyson. that's what I think it was so the Netflix disaster have we gotten much on that I think John Oran by the way from Puck you know used to be the sports business journal our friend John is going to jump on the podcast with me tomorrow I'm interested in just what the NFL is going to do with their double header on Netflix which they took 150 million dollars for right may have been more than that what they're going to do if they start having these issues where you know they're not a

able to deliver the product. Yeah. And I think for one of the games, is it halftime or in between games? Beyonce. Beyonce, that's what they should be worried about. Is that Christmas Day or Thanksgiving? I think it's Christmas Day. Yeah.

You know, look, 60 million people supposedly turned in to watch it. So in some level, it was a success for Netflix. If I'm an NFL owner, I'm pretty worried about, you know, what's going to happen on New Year's Day. You know, the NFL is bulletproof on one sense, you know. So nothing bad is going to happen to it, except that they're looking to step forward into the streaming world. I mean, I think somebody figured out that if you wanted to watch every NFL game this year,

yeah, we talked about that. I think it would cost you over $1,000 to sign up for all the streaming networks to be able to do it. They've got deals with Peacock and Amazon Prime. So I think on one hand, it was success for Netflix. On the other hand, those kind of headlines with the presence of the NFL factor in it makes it much more worrisome. If the NFL was not involved, I think people would just say, well, that's boxing. That happens. I've been to close circuit fights in a theater where the signal went out.

Right. You know? Yeah, that's not a good place to be. No. So, I mean, I think people kind of expect things to go wrong with boxing, but not with the NFL. We'll see. We'll see. I just noticed that you tweeted out something yesterday, I guess.

23-year anniversary of Lennox Lewis and Rockman, that fight. I'm sorry. Rockman and Lennox Lewis. Yeah, Lennox Lewis. Yeah, their second fight. Yeah, their second. fight. The second fight in Vegas. I was at that fight, Mandalay Bay. Really? Yeah, I was there. I was there, too. Yeah, I was rings by. I was out there that weekend, and I'll never forget that

weekend, and I'll never forget that night, because Maryland was playing NC State to clinch the ACC championship, which was Ralph's first year. You know, he won the ACC title his first year, and they played NC State, and then we went right from that sports book, right down the hall, into the, into the Mandalay Bay Arena, and Lewis knocked him out. Four rounds. In four rounds. Do you remember how Vegas was? That's post 9-11.

It was two months after, two and a half months after 9-11. Yeah. Yeah. It was a ghost town. I do remember, I don't remember that as much as I remember all the Brits. Well, yeah, the Brits always came to see Lennox. But it was more of a ghost town because of post-9-11. And the reason I retweeted it with a note on top was I saw, I saw,

Rahsaim Rockman before he ever fought a professional fight. I saw his first fight, which was in December of 94, on the undercard of the Riddick-Bow Larry Donald fight. But before that, I met him at the Sugar Ray Leonard Boxing Center where he was working out, and Janks Morton, the trainer, was training him. And it's ironic because in the gym at the same time was Lennox Lewis. before they ever, this is seven years before they ever fought. Right.

You know, this is before Rockman's first fight, and Lewis is in there, at that point, the heavyweight champion, and they're in a gym at the same time. Yeah. And they don't know each other, and then they wound up, you know, in those two historic fights. Lennox Lewis was an impressive physical specimen. Yes.

And I think an underrated heavyweight champion. An underrated heavyweight champ with a powerful right hand. Yeah. who really changed, really took a step up once Emmanuel Stewart started training him. Emmanuel Stewart got his balance right, because Lennox Lewis, his balance was usually off. You know, his legs were too wide. Right. He didn't rely on his jab enough until Stewart got a hold of him and basically said,

you should jab 95% of the time because your jab is so powerful. Right. And got his balance right. And that's what, because, you know, Lewis had gotten, I saw Lewis fight Ray Mercer in, I think it was 95 at the garden, where he should have lost the fight. He got, he got a gift decision. You know, he got knocked out by Oliver McCall in one round, you know, so, but he's one of my favorite heavyweight. I always liked him, too. A very good guy.

Always liked him. You know, when I was at the Muhammad Ali Center in Louisville a couple years ago, and they have the board that lists all the donors and how much they've donated, the only boxer on that board was Lennox Lewis. Really? He donated $250,000 to the Alley Center. I remember that weekend. It was, you know, we were still two and a half months post-9-11.

And that was back, you know, I was going to Vegas often. And, you know, we would do it at least three or four times a year. You know, definitely won football weekend, which was typically synced up with a fight in November. They seemed to always have a big fight in May, derby weekend. Yeah, in November. And in November, you know, to tie into a football weekend. And I'll never forget the Maryland NC State game leading into that, but the next day, Washington played Denver. That was Marty Schottenheimer's year.

And they had just won, like, three straight. and they were playing Denver, and Tony Banks was so cold they had to take him out of the game. I guess they claim he was injured. And Kent Graham came in and led a comeback victory over the Broncos who were massive favorites. And I remember having Washington plus the eight and a half and being really happy about that. And then they went on and won the next week to get to five and five, and they were right back in it. Yeah. And that's when Dan probably really stopped having a lot of fun.

Yeah. Who? Yeah. All right. Anything else? Nothing else for you today, boss. All right. We're done back tomorrow.