The Kevin Sheehan Show - Rivera Approach May Change?

Episode Date: October 19, 2021

Kevin and Thom today on topics that include Peter King's suggestion (mirroring Thom's theory) that Dan Snyder's camp leaked the emails that got Gruden fired and painted Bruce Allen out to be even worse than most Washington Football fans thought. They talked about last night's Buffalo-Tennessee game and then got to the Ron Rivera comments from yesterday about his coaching approach and how safe Taylor Heinicke is currently in the starting QB role.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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I knew it was close. I just think that every other sport, including Tommy, by the way, your beloved in something I am enjoying the baseball playoffs. I just don't think anything else has a chance during football season. It's just... I think you're right. It's amazing to me. Like last night, the Red Sox are pounding the Astros.

By the way, my good friend Mark Stern said he loved the Red Sox last night. So with that, I did place a small wager on the Red Sox. As we know, Mark is a big-time, big-time Boston Red Sox fan. And he goes, I really like them at home. I really think this is the right matchup. And they were like minus 11. It wasn't that much of a stretch to back. a home team in that series.

I know you're rooting for Dusty, and so am I, to a certain degree. But I don't think with the football game on last night or the football game on Sunday night, anybody's paying attention. And the Dodgers, by the way, for those of you who don't know, are down to nothing to the Atlanta Braves in the National League Championship series. A very good Braves team, yeah. A really good Braves team, apparently. Better than I really thought they were.

Max Scher, you know, the other night in game two, when they, you know, they had already lost game one, got the start, and I thought he was great. And I was flipping back and forth between that and the Sunday night football game. And, you know, he only ended up going, you know, barely into the fifth. You know, he gave up two runs on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a Peterson home run that tied it up at 2-2, you know, against his former team, Jack Peterson. And, you know, basically that was pretty much it for Max. You know, he was intense. His arm was tired.

He was already up to 80 pitches. Yeah. Yeah. And they went through, I don't know, like seven or eight relievers and ended up losing on a Rosario single, RBI single in the bottom of the ninth. So you get that game, you actually got two games today. You get the Dodgers and the Braves in game three back in L.A. It's two-three-two format back in L.A. And then you get the Astros Red Sox tonight in game four.

And yes, the NBA opens tonight. And it opens with the Kyrie Irving-Less Brooklyn Nets in Milwaukee to face the defending champion Milwaukee, bucks. The bucks in the previous season won the NBA title and had just an epic series with the Brooklyn Nets in the postseason where I'm telling you, Kevin Durant was just amazing in that series, pretty much doing it all by himself trying to carry them to a win. Remember, he had like the 49 and 48 and like back-to-back games. with an injured Hardin who then started to play.

No Kyrie Irving. But the NBA season's here. The Wizards open up tomorrow night with their whole new lineup. So we'll see. It's hard to pay attention to the NBA this time of year. For a lot of you, you really don't care. I will try to watch some of it tonight and watch some of the baseball. Still a good time of the year.

Yes, it is. I enjoy it a lot. And I flip back and forth often in those situations. Yeah. You know, Adam Silver said yesterday, and I think rightly so, that the Kyrie Irving situation is not an NBA issue. He made it very clear. This is not an NBA issue. This is a New York issue. We don't have any say in how New York handles mandates of vaccines and has rules for inside of people having to be vaccinated. He can't play. And the team has decided until he gets vaccinated or until, New York City enacts a different law that he's not playing. Andrew Wiggins, who felt the same way, got vaccinated because he was dealing with the same thing in San Francisco. Right, but Bradley Beale, who as far as we know, still is not vaccinated, will not face that here in Washington. There's no such vaccine mandate in D.C.

And he won't face that when he goes to New York, because if you follow certain protocol as a visitor, you will be able to participate even if you're not vaccinated, which seems crazy. But that is where we are. By the way, as long as we're talking about basketball real quickly, the initial associated press rankings of college basketball for the upcoming season came out, Maryland was 21st. I thought Maryland would be somewhere between 15 and 20. They're 21st, whatever, not that big of a deal.

I think those of you who are Terp fans understand that if Aaron Wiggins had come back and had not gone into the NBA draft where he was drafted in the second round, Maryland would have been a top five-ish kind of pick preseason. They still have a very good team. I think Mark is very excited about the team he has. The Big Ten is loaded again. Purdue is really good. Michigan's really good. Illinois and Ohio State are really good. Maryland's been picked to finish fifth in the preseason poll, media poll in the Big Ten.

But they certainly are, you know, every bit of an NCAA tournament team and maybe even more than that. They could be certainly a deep into the tournament team by the time we get to March. It's long way till then. But they came in 21st. Virginia came in 25 in the initial poll. I mean, we'll have college basketball here in a couple of weeks, which I love. All right. Where do you want to start today?

You haven't had a chance to weigh in on the game Sunday. You wrote a Tommy's column, which I would urge you to read. It's excellent. Is an open email to Bruce Allen. Not a letter. An email to Bruce Allen. And it asks, you know, updates Bruce on everything that's going on here and asks Bruce a few questions. And, you know, at the very end,

you said, you know, write back, Bruce, when you get a chance. So we'll see if he does. I mean, the last thing I felt like writing about on Sunday. And I was at the stadium was the game. Yeah. You know, I barely mentioned it in the column, and I point out to Bruce. I say here, nothing new here. They lost, you're used to losing here in Washington.

This is nothing new for you. and then I filled him in on the other stuff. But everything other than the game was of note on Sunday at the stadium, i.e. the Sean Taylor continuing debacle to honor the memory of this beloved football player. Last week I tweeted out, it's sometimes hard to choose between deceit and incompetence when it comes to deciding. the actions of this football team, this, you know, Washington football team, Sunday was a perfect example of that.

Oh, yeah. Because, I mean, you know, you can go by the school of thought that this was all a last-minute, you know, set up by the team to divert attention to a week full of negative attention. and you have enough circumstantial evidence to believe that. But you can choose to go the other way and say, no, no, they really planned this. They really wanted to do it right. And I think that's worse. I think it's almost worse if you believe the team was telling the truth because they executed it so poorly.

I actually think deceit is worse than incompetence. but by the way, the deceit came with plenty of incompetence as well. So you can combine both. It's what you've always said, too, over the years, and that is that people are willing to believe the worst about this organization because they have been the worst and because they've given you reason to think the worst. I mean, there have probably been occasions over the years where something seemed really bad, and maybe it wasn't, but everybody just assumed that it was really bad.

Let me give you a recent example. This hush money story that Will Hobson wrote in the Post last week is bad. Was it actually hush money, like money offered to women to silence them? It may not have been that. It may have been the initiation of an actual settlement for what they went through when they were, employees in the Washington organization. And, you know, the quid pro quo for this settlement coming back the other way was the signing of a non-disclosure where they couldn't, you know, then bash the organization publicly anymore, which, by the way, is not unusual in some sort

of settlement. But, you know, it got couched as, and maybe appropriately so. I still haven't, there really hasn't been a resolution to this. In fact, I, I'm, after a couple of conversations, I'm more willing to believe that this was actually just a payment offered to hush them because there was some frustration over interviews and social media bashing of the organization that some of these women were up to. But the point is that no one was going to believe anything other than, oh my God. I mean, there they go again, offering hush money. Hush money is a, you know, a description that essentially implies guilt. You don't pay hush money to people if you're not guilty more times than not.

But I do think that you've always said that people assume the worst, and they've earned that. Yeah, they have. I mean, Sunday was just a debacle. You know, I mean, if you blinked, you didn't know they were honoring Sean Taylor at halftime. I mean, they mixed it in with the announcements of introducing, you know, the groups of veterans who were there for Alumni Day. There was no particular speech. It was just one thing after another. Look, everybody who follows the team has seen the photos of, you know, the photo that they took of the family in front of the porta parties.

You know, this is a good picture. You know, let's do this. The whole scenario with Patrick Mahomes' brother dancing on the number 21. He apologized. Right, and it turns out that that was the visitor side of the field. Yeah, well, that's where they had it, Tommy. That's where, and right, and that's where apparently they had a roped-off area for all the VIPs. around the 21.

So, I mean, you know, I mean, Jason Wright, who, again, this is a real, you know, black mark on his tenure right now

because this, I mean, this was supposedly his baby, and he screwed it up in so many ways. I mean, you know, I read that, you know,

he had told fans that they would set up a place where people could, like, honor Sean's memory, except they didn't announce it, you know, and didn't let anybody know. Well, no, I talked about the makeshift memorial that got tweeted out at about 10 a.m. with one bouquet of flowers on a spray-painted.

One bouquet of flowers. Yeah. First of all, what are we doing a makeshift memorial for? He died 14 years ago. This wasn't a memorial day. This wasn't, you know, a really sad, you know, let's drop flowers. I mean, and by the way, I pointed out yesterday, that's, a terrible idea to begin with. It was clearly, you know, thrown together like all of this last

second, I will believe, you know, for until proven otherwise, which no one's proven it to me, that this was deceit, that this was a cover for everything that went on, and that Jason's statement was very much a hostage statement. Despite, perhaps, you know, people in the organization claiming otherwise, well, of course they're going to claim otherwise, but they can't prove it, because nobody, nobody apparently knows or knew that this was going to happen until last week. But whatever. I'm over that part of it. The makeshift memorial, Tommy, it's like, hey, if you're going to do this, go out and buy thousands of dollars worth of flowers and put them there.

So that the photo op that you want actually looks a hell of a lot better. But it looks, it's just odd. You don't do makeshift memorials 14 years after somebody's died. I know, but like you said, I mean, if you're going to do it, make it look like there's a memorial there. Oh, my God, it was so embarrassing. The whole thing was embarrassing. It really was. The Jackson Mahomes, you know, TikTok, you know, video on the Sean Taylor 21 on the field on their sideline,

along with just all of the other people just stomping all over it. And most of those people were wearing Chiefs uniforms or were Chiefs fans. The whole thing was just, this is, look, I believe it was deceit. I believe that, you know, Jason Wright had he actually been approached months ago and said, this is what we want to do, it would have been executed a lot differently. And more likely than not a lot more, a lot better. than it was. But it's hard when you're told, you know, last second, 11th hour to put this thing together. And you and I could, you and I could have put something together in half a day.

That would have been a better presentation. I agree. Yes. I totally agree with you. Yeah. Well, here's one thing you have to do. You got to have more than 30 seconds to 90 seconds or whatever at halftime. Okay. I know it's alumni weekend. And they, had all the other stuff, the Sean Taylor Road thing, which is, by the way, the photo that was taken in front of the porta-potties. But you have to have your owner or, or, because he's not going to do it, you've got to have your co-CEO, Tanya, out there to make a statement, to say some things about Sean. Somebody's other than the guy that screams, you know, it's first down.

You got to have somebody other than that dude saying something about Sean. And they didn't because, again, the whole thing was a joke. I, it's whatever. I hope Sean's family didn't feel this all week and then even on Sunday. But it was so, it was so small time. And the owner, the picture of the owner with the tailors, and he's in a hoodie for crying out loud? I know.

I mean, I don't know. Maybe he's finally giving up. Maybe he's giving up. He was just chilling. That's all. Maybe, look, you know, maybe in an effort to act like I didn't even know it was happening, man. Because, you know, Jason's probably going to be the next one that he goes after on all of this. That leads me to this.

Well, you didn't tell me what you thought of the game itself. I know everything overshadowed the game over the last week. Understood. What did you think of the game, though? Well, you know, first of all, all I could think of was at the end of the first half that I could think of, you know, Kevin was partly right. I thought it was right, too. They were bored.

They were bored. They were bored in the first half, but they weren't bored the second half. They weren't for the second half And look The lining up the off sides Back to back Lining up off sides At this stage of the season

It's a team that doesn't seem very well coached And Taylor Heineke is who we thought it was There's one moment I do want to talk about While I don't forget about it Okay Remember to play where Mahomes is Running to the right and then froze to Tyree Kill, who's running to the left,

and it wound up being called back for some penalty. There was all setting penalties. Right. It got called back. I mean, we saw that from the press box. Like Holmes had us back to us, and we saw that whole thing unfold, and that was amazing. I mean, that guy is so talented.

He is running as hard as he can. towards the right sideline, and he just throws across his body without stopping or missing a step and hits Tyree Kill on the other side of the field in stride. He's something else.

That was, that blew me away. I mean, it got called back. It wound up, didn't mean anything, but that was a marvel to watch. Yeah, yeah. That was an incredible play. The thing that we've seen him do a lot, and Aaron Rogers occasionally does too,

is the sidearm flick the ball out there, push it out there, you know, is everybody running one way, the one that he threw to Kelsey. He really, and the Kansas City team looked disinterested in the first half. And he did what he's been doing this year. He made a lot of sloppy plays,

including that pick at the end of the first half. But, yeah, they decided they could not leave that place on that day. you know, two and four. They were, they were, they put them away and it was a clinic in the second half. Now, I know you pointed this out on Sunday, I believe, on social media, and you're 100% right. As disappointing as the defense continues to be, scoring 13 points against a defense that bad as the chiefs was, was really much more alarming in a way. Yeah.

This was the first game this year. where if you were doing the pie blame chart, the offense gets more of the blame than the defense. And that's not saying much because the defense was terrible too. The defense was really bad. The defense is right now one of the worst defenses in the league. In fact, my football outsiders just updated for this week. I want to see where they are in total DVOA defense.

They're 29th in the league in total DVOA defense. Okay, so here's who's worse. who they beat, Kansas City who they didn't beat, and Jacksonville. Those are the three teams that are worse than them defensively. There are other numbers like third down defense where they are dead last by a lot in the league. They're allowing 57.8% on third down, 57.8% on third down after the game. You know, that number tends to come down. You know, it's very high for a few teams early.

occasionally there is, as a lot of sports guys that know nothing about math, like to say regression to the mean. But anyway, they're at 57.8% in third down defense. And 31st in the league is Miami at 52.4%. So there's a 5.4% difference. That's a big statistical difference between last. It'll take a solid holding Green Bay and Aaron Rogers to like two of 11 on third down to move up a spot or two. And that's probably not going to happen.

There were some things, by the way, that Ron Rivera said about his defense and about himself yesterday, that I am going to play for you here shortly. But when we come back, I want to read something from Peter King's column, which I'm trying to think now, I may have read it on the podcast yesterday, but I want to read it with Tommy here because it really is Tommy's theory. But there's an extension to the Peter King theory

that I'd like to throw in there that I don't think I did on yesterday's show. So we will do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. A reminder that if you haven't subscribed to the podcast, please do. It helps us. It doesn't cost you a thing.

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So that's why that helps us. So if you can do that, that would be much appreciated. So I wanted to read something to you, excuse me, I wanted to read something to you. And it was the Peter King column from Monday. By the way, somebody sent this to me. I did not realize did you that he doesn't do like a Monday morning quarterback thing anymore? I mean, he does the same column that he's always done, but it looks like he's doing it. Am I wrong about this for Pro Football Talk?

I don't think he's doing it for Sports Illustrated anymore. I think Albert Breer does the Monday morning quarterback. Okay. Now. You know what? You are right. For a couple years now. It's been a couple years.

Okay, fine. So Peter King wrote on his Monday morning review of the NFL weekend and whatever else he writes, you know, back in the day. I don't even know if it's here. I'm looking towards the end. Usually he'll give you like his favorite coffee of the week or something like that. But anyway, this particular segment or section. was called Disgusting Mess in D.C. Now, I know I read this yesterday on the podcast,

but I want to read the part that was applicable or is applicable to the conversation that I want to have with Tommy. Again, Tom, you did read this, correct? Yes. Okay. So this is the part. And let me remind everybody, Tommy's theory when the emails leaked,

is Tommy on this podcast, and he wrote in a column that isn't it interesting that the first email that leaked, which was the Dumores Smith has, you know, lips the size of Michelin Tires, that first email from John Gruden to Bruce to Bruce Allen leaked to Andrew Beaton of the Wall Street Journal. Andrew Beaton was the guy that wrote the embarrassing puff piece on Snyder back in June and Tommy, you know, essentially connected the dots and said, I bet you that Dan Snyder may have been the leak of that email to Andrew Beaton. Why? Because, you know, he doesn't care about John Gruden or anybody else. And if they're friends with Bruce Allen, even better. He wants to make Bruce Allen look bad. Because he's really, he hates Bruce Allen. Can't stand Bruce Allen for a lot of reasons, including the reason that Bruce Allen's been connected to Dwight Schar in that smear campaign against Snyder. Anyway, with that understood, here's Peter King from his column yesterday.

He writes, the absurdly unfair outcome will stick to Roger Goodell for a long, long time. Oh, let me back up. He writes, I'm not going to defend Gruden, John, in any way. His emails are indefensible. And now that the sun is shown on them, he absolutely should not be coaching an NFL team. But I am going to ask this. What's worse? An NFL owner running his team like a six- Frat House for at least a decade, with 40 women coming forward to decry sexist treatment by Snyder or his employees, lives and professional dreams shattered in the process, or a Neanderthal coach sending a slew of terrible emails. Even if you say they are equally bad, the fact is that Snyder goes on running his trillion dollar business next year and Gruden hides in his man cave

unemployable. This absurdly unfair outcome will stick to Roger Goodell for a long, long time. And then he writes this. I'm not one who even thinks the NFL was behind the release of the emails. League officials might consider Gruden classless and a clown. I don't know. But what is Goodell's job? Protect the shield. He's not going to authorize the release of emails in the middle of a season that would indubitably sabotage. a hot franchise in a new market, meaning the Raiders in Vegas. And by the way, one of the theories, I'll just add in here real quickly before I get back to Peter King, what he wrote, one of the theories is that Goodell and the NFL leaked these emails to ensure that D'Amor Smith was reelected as the union head. That election was on that same Friday that this got leaked to the Wall Street Journal.

They wanted D'Moor Smith to be reelected, and it was going to be a very close election, and they thought, maybe people will read this, have some sympathy for him, and vote for him, and he will continue to be the NFLPA head. Anyway, that was a theory. So, as King writes, why would they sabotage a hot franchise in a new market? And he's certainly not, as Peter King writes, going to do that, knowing there are other emails in the queue, emails the New York Times and Wall Street Journal published last week that showed an overly chummy relationship between Alan and and the NFL's second in command trusted Goodell Confident and legal counsel, Jeff Pash. The upshot of those emails painted Pash as a Washington Patsy.

I don't know where the emails came from, writes Peter King. Several smart people in the league think the leaks come from the Snyder camp. Maybe he feels steamrolled by the league in its July penalty, though it was certainly exactly the opposite. And he's right about that. The $10 million penalty was a wrist slap. Maybe, probably, he's so anti-Alan that he'd have a jihad out for him and anyone close to him, which Gruden is.

Whoever did it at this point remains, as one prominent plugged-in source told me. Quote, the discipline against Snyder was shockingly light. You suspend Tom Brady when you never proved without a doubt that he deflated footballs. And you don't suspend Snyder for running that kind of operation in Washington? And Gruden gets ruined? It's not like Rogers protecting a guy who's good for the league anyway. Where's the fairness? The league did send the offending emails to the Raiders for their examination 10 days ago,

putting the onus on owner Mark Davis to do something about Gruden. Once it was clear that the emails would surface publicly, and they did with great detail in the Times account, Davis had no choice. However, it was termed, Gruden could not walk into his diverse locker room last week. He had to go. According to someone who knows Gruden's mindset post-resignation, he is of two minds.

One, he's miserable about the families of the 22 coaches and numerous staffers that he brought to Vegas who will suffer and perhaps lose NFL livelihoods because of his hurtful emails. Two, he is angry, stunned and fuming, this person said describing Gruden, that some investigation that had nothing to do with him resulted in the loss of his job. He does understand, I am told Peter King writes,

that the release of these emails made it impossible for him to continue his coach. I haven't heard Peter King continues so many differing opinions from around the league on an issue in a while. But this one of the smartest people in the NFL orbit struck me. Quote, this was a mafia hit on Grude. Closed quote. Often, Peter King writes, I'm told, victims of organized crime never see them coming. Gruden never saw his coming either.

Yeah, poor Tommy. Tommy never saw it coming in the garage. That's for sure. He writes, then he goes on to say, what should happen now? Well, transparency. He talks about great memories at RFK and what the franchise has become. since, you know, Snyder took it over, et cetera. So you, I mean, you were the first person to have this theory.

There are now many people out there that have had the same theory, that Snyder was the leak of the emails. And before you respond, I just wanted to say one thing. You know, his dislike for Bruce Allen and to make him look bad and to get revenge on Bruce Allen, you know, certainly seems like for him, impulsive, you know, doesn't think out the actual, you know, output of this, which is that it came back and it brought up all the things related to the investigation and these emails, et cetera, and put more pressure on the organization and had more people talking about, we want to see

these emails, we want Snyder out, et cetera, because he didn't think things through. But I think I've got another additional sort of theory, not theory, reason why he did this. It wasn't just revenge or dislike or hate. It's that he thinks these emails would paint Bruce out to be a terrible person. And that the culture, which he blamed on Bruce at the Happy Thanksgiving introduction of Ron Rivera, that he and Tanya want people to believe that the last so many years is, Bruce's fault. So to continue to make Bruce and paint Bruce as this bad, misogynist, racist, whatever you want to say, then maybe the fans will finally understand where we're coming from

that this was his fault. It's not our fault. And they'll hate him even more. That's a very plausible theory. Absolutely. That's certainly plausible. That combined with just his sheer hatred of Bruce. It's now, yeah. I mean, I think that's very plausible. That, you know, in his bizarre way, that he would think that, you know, somehow this, the misdirection would shift to Bruce and away from him. Of course, it's doing the exact opposite.

Right. So far. But he never thinks these things out. He always gets him wrong. No, he doesn't. Yeah. And, you know, this may be wishful thinking. And look, I don't really care one way or the other,

but since I'm not a Washington football fan, but I've got a feeling that the Beth Wilkinson investigation is not going to go away. That every time this franchise stubs its toe, people will resurface that. And this franchise will stub its toe a lot. And I think there's a segment out there of fans who are determined to resurrect that, you know, with the faint hope that it would have some impact whenever this franchise screws up.

Will that, will that matter to anything? Let's remember that the NFL not only did not punish Snyder, really, but they only empowered him by loaning him the money to buy out his minority partners, and now he owns 100% of the team. So it would seem like they only empowered him rather than punish him. But I don't think this Beth Wilkinson investigation is going to be stuck in a box, never to be reported again. I think it's going to have legs for a long time.

there's still something that just, it doesn't surprise me anymore because, again, I think that the level of incompetence, and I know that he's a very wealthy man, I just question how smart he is. I'm not questioning whether or not he has innate intelligence. I'm not questioning whether or not he was a relentless worker and an energetic salesman, etc., and starting, you know, the first few businesses. that he started. But when it comes to sort of strategy or PR strategy, I just think that there's a real limitation on his ability and the people that he's had around him. And I'll point to this. It's just amazing to me that others haven't really figured this out. And I've been talking about this now going back to the original post stories. The original post stories, for the most part, these allegations were from, you know, 2006, 2007, 2007, 2008, 2009. And he even refers, you know, to the, you know, the time that's passed in some of these allegations and that they're, you know, they're old, very old allegations in the

organizations in a much different place now. Does he not understand that we're capable of sort of understanding the calendar math here? Like the bottom line is when he was, at least according to him, all, you know, hands on and Bruce Allen wasn't here, that's when all this shit happened. Or most of it that's been reported. The stuff that, you know, the flight back from Vegas, a lot of the allegations, the videos from Costa Rica with cheerleaders and the whole thing, that all happened before Bruce got here. You can't blame it on the people that have been here if all of these for the last 10 years and then at the same time say that you've been distant and the culture turned bad once you took your hands off and you moved away from the day to day.

And that's when all these things really ended up being a problem and the culture ended it being a problem. Look, I'm not saying the culture was good from 2010 to 2020 either, but most of the allegations happened when Snyder was, according to him, in charge and hands-on. Tommy, write that column. I mean, you can go back and find, you know, some of the quotes. I mean, I can't remember specifically, I'm paraphrasing about, you know, these are, you know, accusations from a long time ago and you know and and then it died most of the accusations correct me if I'm wrong most of them came from before Bruce got here you know remember in your column in your most recent column I think you wrote this right that you know Bruce really wasn't tied to any of the

post stories yes I did mention how have you managed to keep I had it proved how much you managed to keep his name out of all this well because a lot of the allegations that the post wrote about and those women were pre-Bruce. A lot of them were. Yes. Yes. So this guy wants us to believe that it's Bruce's fault, and all of the stuff about this toxic culture was all because of Bruce, and yet the toxic culture allegations are primarily from,

I mean, I haven't done an accounting of it, but and I could pull up the post stories right now, but I know most of those were, the majority of them were from a time in which Bruce wasn't here yet. So I don't, this is something where like, couldn't somebody say to him, dude, stop pushing the, you know, you want to be more hands on. Most of this shit happened when you were hands on.

Bruce wasn't even here yet. And by the way, I'm not taking Bruce off the hook for anything that's happened since because I have a feeling that the organization, even in recent years, was not a pleasant organization to work for. I continue to reference the fact that the league's statement, when they find him $10 million, emphasized bullying and intimidation. And for me, not being a part of the organization, but being with a radio station that was owned by a group that Snyder was the majority shareholder and CEO of, and being in the radio station that was a flagship, you know, we did have like you do, we have the both of us, we heard a lot of different things. And more of the stuff that we heard over the years was just about the poor treatment of people and the culture that he had created that really treated people poorly.

You know, it wasn't necessarily any sort of misogynistic or sexual harassment. That wasn't necessarily what we were hearing. I'm not denying that that was a big part of it at all. And by the way, some of the names that have been mentioned in some of those stories, it's certainly not shocking to most of us. But really, it was more just about, you know, him being a bad guy and treating people very poorly and then being super impulsive, especially, you know, in those first 10 years.

Because, you know, the impulse, as it relates to the football operation, Jay Gruden did coach here for nearly six years, you know. And so anyway, I don't know. No, you're right. What could this lead to? What could, if he is determined to have been the leak of these emails, what could happen to him for this? Well, you know, he, I'm sure, you know, I don't necessarily think he actually leaked the emails, maybe.

I mean, somebody who works for him, you know. who probably, you know, who may have leaked them, somebody in the organization who maybe got the orders second or third hand or even thought on their own that this would be a good idea, though I don't think that's the case. So I just think that I don't think anything will happen to him. Yeah, I mean, even Gruden writes,

the leaks come from the Snyder camp. Like, he's not brilliant, but he's, He's probably not going to be the guy that says, hey, Andrew, look what I got for you. He may have said to Andrew, Andrew, something's coming for you. Look for it. Yeah, I mean, but he's not going to be the guy who actually leaks him. I don't think he's that dumb. Plus, I mean, according to what we read from some people last week, he doesn't have an email account.

Yeah. Snyder. I've heard that's not true. Okay. But whatever. It doesn't mean that he uses email a lot. Right, right. But is this a serious question?

Is this ever going to end? No, never. Are we just going to constantly have every couple of months another story, another run of stories that will totally take the attention off the football team, which, by the way, is a bad football team right now. What if they were four and two instead? And I want to ask Cooley again.

Cooley has always insisted that the conversations about the owner and about, you know, Vinny and Zorn and Snyder and, you know, all of the stuff over the years, all of the non-football stuff where they weren't exactly winning off the field and didn't exactly have a damn good culture. Cooley's always insisted it really does not impact the players. They're totally focused on their job. They're coming in. They're working out.

They're practicing. And that even a lot of it doesn't get talked about as much as you would think that it would get talked about. And I kind of understand that. But I do think that there's, you know, when you have this constant barrage of ugliness, of incompetence, of discompetence, of disenfranchise. of deceit surrounding a franchise, that it should hurt your ability and probably has hurt their ability to attract better players at least via free agency.

Like, there's no chance on God's Green Earth that if Aaron Rogers gets to dictate where he goes to next year, is coming here. Like, there is zero chance. Right. Here's where the off-the-field stuff impact, I think probably impacts the players. And this is just my educated guest based on my experience. You know, a lot of these players have families.

They go home to their wives. Their wives are probably very plugged in to what's going on with the team. Their wives are probably very plugged in to the idea that, you know, when they go out, out in the community and somebody hears that, you know, they're the wife of so-and-so. Their first question or their second question or even their third question is about what's going on over there with that team? What's going on with that mess over there? So I think, well, I think Kooley's right in that, you know, these players are basically tunnel vision to, you know, preparing to play and their own stuff. But I think the people around

them are very aware of all the noise. And I think that's where the players hear it from. And I think that's where it can see fit in. All right. Enough of that. I want to talk about a few things that Ron Rivera said about his football team yesterday and also touch on last night's Monday night game. We'll do both of those things right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right. I'll get to what Ron Rivera said. He said some interesting things yesterday. Totally different presser, Monday presser than the week before. And I'll explain why here in a moment. But the game last night was a great Monday night game. Again, and we've had so many really good primetime games this year. Tennessee holding off Buffalo 34 to 31. And before I get to the end of the

game, I do want to mention that, I don't know if you knew this Tommy, but Derek Henry last night had a 76-yard touchdown run. It is a breathtaking run, by the way. A man, 6.3.250 running as fast as he runs is crazy. Derek Henry's 11th touchdown of 50 yards or longer last night in his career. He tied former Titans running back Chris Johnson, who had that 4-1 or 4-2 speed, for the fourth most in NFL history of touchdowns of 50 yards or longer. Here are the three in front of Derek Henry right now, and Chris Johnson. Henry will have another one and become fourth on his own,

and he's got a chance maybe eventually to pass these names. The most ever, Adrian Peterson, 16 touchdowns of 50 yards or longer. Barry Sanders, 15 touchdowns of 50 yards or longer. And Jim Brown, 12 touchdowns of 50 yards or longer. Derek Henry has 11 at this point. I don't know that Derek Henry is appreciated as much as he should be. This is a phenomenal running back and an outlier, an aberration in today's game.

You know, he did rush for over 2,000 yards last year. He's already at 783 right now through six games. Like this dude is unbelievable. And it's his size and it's his speed and the combination of everything about him that I just love to watch. But Tennessee and Derek Henry are really one of the only teams in the league that play this way, that try to play slob knocker football. Like we're going to run it down your throat with the best running back in the game. There are other teams that try it.

I mean, Minnesota likes to run the ball. Cleveland likes to run the ball a lot. and they run it at a shotgun a ton and Tanna Hills are running threat typically and they've got great receivers obviously in A.J. Brown with Julio Jones back last night. But man, I love watching Derek Henry play

and he is working his way up Tommy with this career that he is having which is now in his sixth year. He is working his way into the Hall of Fame. Oh yes. Absolutely. I mean, I love watching

watching a play too. Look, I'm just going to give somebody, people a little heads up. I've mentioned this before, but go to YouTube and Google Marion Motley. Yeah. Because Derek Henry reminds me of Marion Motley. Marion Motley played in the All-American Football Conference and then the NFL in the late 40s and early 50s. He was 240-pound running back. Wow. when linemen were 240 pounds.

You know, he averaged his first year 8.2 yards per carry. One time in a game, in a championship, in one game, Motley said the NFL record that stood for more than 52 years when he averaged over 17 yards per carry, 188 yards on 11 carries. Wow. I mean, so, and this is who he reminds me of. He's so much bigger and so, not just bigger, but such a good runner and so difficult to bring down.

I mean, how can you not like watching him? I mean, he's just, he's a marvel to watch. He's unbelievable. You know, he's on, look, it's a 17-game season. So right now he's averaging 130 yards per game. On a 16-game schedule, he would not break Eric Dickerson's record. Dickerson still has the single-season rushing mark of 2,105 yards back in 1984. Adrian Peterson is second.

He went for 2097 and 2012. Jamal Lewis had that year remembered 2003 with Baltimore at 2006. Barry Sanders went over 2000, and Derek Henry last year went over 2000 as well. The other backs to go over 2000. yards in one season were Terrell Davis, Chris Johnson. OJ was the first to do it, of course, in 1973. So his 16-game mark would fall short. It would be third best based on his average right now.

But if he were to be, but the 17-game schedule, he'll break Dickerson's single-season rushing mark. And it will count, by the way, because a lot of people on this list were guys that had seasons of 14 games or 12 games. So he has a chance, even though it's a 17th game this year, if he continues at this same pace to set the single season NFL rushing mark. And, you know, I think it's actually almost a ridiculous conversation. I don't know that he'd be in the Hall of Fame if his career ended today.

But if he has another year or two of what he's doing, he's in the Hall of Fame. Now, the issue with him is, how long can he do this? How long can he average what he's averaging, you know, in terms of, of, carries because right now he's got 162 carries in six games. He's averaging 27 carries a game. I look this up this morning in terms of the rushing leaders. He is by far in away the rushing leader in the NFL. He's got 783 yards. Actually, Nick Chubb, who was hurt, is second, even though he's only played five games. But he's got 162 rushes on the year. The second most in the league is Joe Mixen at 111, and he's played six games. He's got 51 more carries than the guy that's number two.

So a lot of people would say, well, this can't last forever. But his frame and his size, I don't know. You know, Derek Henry, the other thing about this guy is he has been, you know, pretty damn durable. He played all six. I mean, he's missed like three games his entire career. So I love watching Tennessee. I do think they're a legitimate. You picked them, didn't you? Yes, I did. That was your team.

I'm just remembering that. I think they are a threat to win the Super Bowl. That's a big win last night to get that win over Buffalo because they might ultimately play Buffalo in the postseason. And it would be, you know, it would be a Buffalo, you know, Buffalo would love to see the AFC playoffs go through Orchard Park. That would be one tough place to play if you're a road team. But that's a big win last night.

Now, a lot of you are probably talking if you watch the game about the end of the game. The Bills had the ball at the Tennessee three-yard line with 22 seconds left. And they still had two timeouts left. And so they went forward on fourth and one at the Tennessee three instead of a field goal down 34-31. They could have kicked the field goal. The game would have gone to overtime. But it was fourth and one and they tried Josh Allen on a sneak.

And Jeffrey Simmons blew it up. Now, Alan slipped two. I don't know that he would have gotten it anyway. That's one of those, to me, it's not an analytics thing, although the analytics people will say, well, of course. Win probability was, you know, this if they go for it, and it was much less if they didn't. It was fourth and one, and it wasn't even a full one.

I think I'm going for the win right there, too. I think I can understand that your chances that you have a higher win probability rate if you go for that fourth down, especially the context of the game, which is, you know, they're moving the football. Are they running the ball great? No, they're not running the ball great. But it's Josh Allen. He's an athletic quarterback. Let's give it to him on a sneak.

You know who the best? I was thinking about this last night, and maybe I didn't think. of this. Maybe I was hearing it as I was falling asleep watching the post game. You know who the best sneak quarterback is in the NFL? Oh. Tom Brady. Really? Yeah. I don't even know if that's an actual stat, but I'm just thinking, does Brady just always gets quarterback sneaks? He's big and he's strong. And he always seems to catch people a little bit off guard. And Josh Allen was trying to do that last night. Anyway, it was a great football game.

34-31, Tennessee with a big win. I'm telling you, six weeks into this NFL season, you got Arizona at 6-0 and the only undefeated team, and nobody's talking about them. Not really. No. Not really. They won without their coach.

They won them without their coach. They won at Cleveland. They destroyed Baker. Mayfield. There was no Nick Chubb in that game. That was a big loss. Brown's had some injuries. The Cardinals play a week from this coming Thursday night against the Packers. They'll be 7 and 0, and the Packers will be 6 and 1 because the Packers play us this weekend. So that's going to be a 7-0 versus 6-1 matchup on Thursday night football out in Arizona. That is a big, big, you know, approaching mid-season game.

between the Packers and the Cardinals. The Cardinals play the Texans this week. There are 17-point favorite, and the Packers are a 10-point favorite over Washington, so it will be like a 7-0 versus 6-1 Thursday-night game. So that's a good one coming up. All right, I want to go through just a couple of things that Ron Rivera said before the end of the show today.

So this is the first one, Tommy. I think it was a question from Nikki Jabala from the Washington Post. And the question was essentially, you know, you guys are making mistakes defensively, you know, where are you defensively right now? And this is what he said. Well, I think it's a little bit of lack of discipline, which I said last night follows on me. Again, that's something that if I have to approach it differently, then I will. And that's something that's important.

So what do you make about him saying something I have to approach it differently? it's something that if I have to approach it differently, then I will, and that's something that's important. By the way, that's the important, interesting thing that he always talks about. What do you think he's got to approach differently? I don't know what it is. I mean, I thought he was changing the culture. I thought the Ron Rivera culture had basically taken hold within the organization,

at least when it came to football. So I'm not sure what exactly he's talking about. Is this a different culture than the Ron Rivera culture? Is this a Jackdell Rio culture? What do you think is going on? What kind of culture is he talking about? He didn't say culture. He said it's a little bit of a lack of discipline, which, you know, he's talking about the defense,

and we're continuing to get this lack of discipline. And there's another quote coming up here where he mentions maturity. But for the first time, he says that's something that, if you're a fact that, I have to approach it differently than I will. So, by the way, much different tone yesterday. Last week, a little combative, a little bit defensive, a little bit trying to coach up the media. You know, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys last week, you know, let's not go there, please.

We're two and three. A little bit different this week. And let me tell you what I think that he's talking about in terms of approaching it differently. Or let me give you a few possibilities. The possibilities do not include firing coaches. Let me just get that out. I don't think it does.

I've already said this a couple of times. Jack Del Rio is a pretty well-resumied coach. There isn't anybody out there that believes what some of you do believe. There isn't anybody out there that believes what you believe out there, which is that Jack Del Rio can't coach. I don't think that that's the case. So I don't see any coaching changes coming. So the two possibilities for me on approaching it differently would be one,

they change up their scheme a little bit. Somehow they simplify it even more or they go to something where they let players like Chase Young be Chase Young and not so much job doers and gap responsibility guys and maybe they get more aggressive and they turn everybody loose. or it is in changing the approach. You know what? This is on me because I haven't pulled the players and sat the players or reduced significantly the snap counts of the players

that continue to lack discipline. So these players aren't going to play as much. I'm going to play players that are going to do it our way, consistently. And my guess is that it would be more that. Because he has dropped the snap counts of some of his more significant players here. Chase Young's snap count was the lowest he's had all year. Now, they played 82 snaps against the Chiefs. But the percentage, you know, there was a, I mean, you had James Smith Williams in there for 28% of the snaps, mostly for Chase Young. Chase Young's 74% snap total from the other day was the lowest. And by the way, just real quickly,

I think I said this yesterday, but I want to say it with Tommy here. Stop sending me to Chase Young PFF numbers or any other analytics, you know, or advanced stats numbers. I'm watching the goddamn games. He's not very good this year, okay? You want to send me hurry numbers and pressure numbers. I don't give a shit about that. He hasn't had a significant impact on one game yet. I think he's going to be great.

I've not bailed on him at all. stop sending me these dumbass numbers from some of these services that seriously, they're doing you a disservice because you're watching it with your own eyes and you're saying he's not playing very well. And you're right. He's not playing very well. Hurries and pressures. Okay. I think he's been far from the worst player on defense, so far from the worst player. Like if you were ranking the worst players, there's six or six or six. seven players you'd mention before you got to Chase Young or Montes Sweat. But on the defensive line, the interior guys are playing better than Chase Young and Montes sweat. Remember, this is the defensive end duo that talked about setting a team record for sacks before the season.

I just can't say this world we're living in where everybody has access to these numbers, and they're living and dying on these numbers. And I'm like, look, it's a piece of it. information. You know what the other information you have? Here you go, baby. As you're watching the games, watch the games and make up your own mind. Does anybody think that Chase Young's having a good season? Well, pro football focus does or some other, you know, service that was sent to me. And by the way, I like some of the guys from PFF. And I like the conversations. And I like the data. I use all of it. But, you know, this is where there's a major disconnect. Chase Young is not supposed to get

hurries or pressures, especially if they're not going to turn into lots of sacks and big plays by the defense. He's supposed to be a game-changing defensive player. He hasn't changed shit this year in one game. And until he starts doing some of that consistently like he did last year, that he's not having a good season. Or if he ends up being doubled so much, which he was doubled a lot on Sunday, but he hasn't been all game.

And if he starts to essentially get all of the attention so that everybody else on defense starts making game-changing plays, if he has the complete focus of the other team prior to playing them and because of it and they're nullifying him, they're, you know, great players can get doubled and still have results. But at least if the focus on him is opening it up for other players to dominate, then, you know, I'll give him credit for that. But that hasn't happened yet. This is a terrible defense that he's on.

And if he's having a good season and this is what the defense is with him having a good season, they're in big trouble. The point is he's not having a good season, despite what some of these services are producing in the form of numbers. He's not having the season that we thought he would have.

Listen, Jack Del Rio isn't going anywhere. Now, I don't know if you've heard this, but I've heard that Jack Del Rio has a significant influence over the coaching of the team, period. Not just the defense, but the coaching of the team. I've not heard. He has a lot of say in it. I've not heard that.

I've heard that. Yes. And so I think Ron Rivera has come to rely on him. him a lot. He's not coaching the offense. No, he's not. Is he making fourth down go-for it decisions? I don't think so.

I don't know. I don't think so. Oh, I know is that, oh, I know it's I've heard that he has a lot more influence than just a typical defensive coordinator. So take that what you will. Well, let me just add this, let me just add this then real quickly, because I said this last week. They're not firing Del Rio because they don't have a solution.

to Del Rio. And by the way, Del Rio has been a good defensive coordinator in this league. So that's not on the table. It's just definitely not on the table. I don't think it is. But the other part of this is people tend to think, well, the head coach can just, you know, drop everything he's doing and then become the defensive coordinator and the head coach. That is not easy. It's easier said than done. I had somebody call me on this, one of the coaches that listens to the radio show on the podcast. And he said, you just don't, you know, all of a sudden give the head coach the defensive coordinator responsibilities mid-season. He hasn't been in on the day-to-day planning and meetings. It's not what he's doing. He is

given Jack the responsibility of doing this. If he had a young defensive coordinator, he might be hands-on, more hands-on, and it might be an easier thing to do. But more likely than not, he hired Jack Del Rio so he could be the head coach of the team. And it's just not easy to say, well, fire Del Rio and Rivera will take it over. So that's part of it. And so, yeah, that's interesting. I mean, I don't think he's got any influence over the offense in listening to Scott Turner and watching it. Well, maybe not. I just think that, you know, maybe that's what, maybe that's what Ron Rivera is talking about here in terms of of doing some things differently. Maybe he is.

Maybe that's what he's talking about here. I mean, because what else? I mean, what else can he do different with? I mean, it's like, are we assuming that he wasn't coaching as hard as he could in the beginning of the year? It's just one of those situations. I'm going to have to coach him up harder. He didn't say harder.

He didn't say harder. He doesn't that automatically happen? I know that. I know that. He said the approach needs to change. This was another thing that he said on the whole approach thing. Well, again, I think there are some things that as far as coach he's concerned that, you know, there are certain ways to approach it and maybe I need to change my approach.

How so? Well, like I said, it's something that I need to look at. I think there's some things that as far as coaching is concerned, there are certain ways to approach it. maybe I need to change my approach. So you think that maybe he's like, I can't give Jack as much responsibility here. It's a possibility, I'm saying. I mean, there's limited possibilities.

I mean, what else could he be talking about here? Well, I gave you the two that I thought of. One, changing the scheme a little bit to fit the players or two, if the players continue to lack discipline, he said it falls on me. And that is taking the players out that are undisciplined and putting different players in. Those would be the other two. But I think your thing is actually pretty interesting to me because you know, and just so everybody understands out there, when Tommy says something like that,

somebody of note has told them that. And I'm trying to think here in my mind, what does that mean? Jack Del Rio has a lot more control, a lot more involvement in coaching the whole team. I don't know what that means. Like, he's not coaching the offense. I don't know what that meant either. I mean, I wasn't in a position to really grill somebody about it. Is he a tibbit that I picked up from somebody credible?

Is he handling clock management? I'll tell you what, the clock management on this team so far this year has actually been, I can't think of one instance in which I was really, really upset. You know, I think there was one play in the game Sunday that I didn't spend enough time talking about it because my good friend Christopher Cooley called me and said essentially did you spend a lot of time on this or not and I said I certainly mentioned it but I don't think I spent as much time on it as maybe you would have preferred and he said you have to go for the fourth down and eight when you're down 24 13 with 10 and a half minutes to go he's like that's just stupid he's like that's a bad decision by Rivera and when they were down 2413 they actually were moving the

ball a little bit. And he threw a ball that Milne that was really off and it set up a fourth down and eight with 10 and a half minutes to go. They had the ball in their own 45. And Cooley's point was, do you really think at that point you're going to stop Kansas City from scoring? You're down two scores as it is. If you punt with 10 and a half minutes to go, you're going to be down three scores and it's going to be over. You have to score on that drive, period. If you're in that game and you're paying attention to the game as a coach, you have to go for that, especially with the field position. And he's right. He's right. He is right. You know, we were a little bit focused on the third and, you know, the field goal decision on the fourth and six. And I would have kicked the

field goal on fourth and six when he missed the 42 yarder because of the play before it had lost yardage. And I wouldn't have had any confidence that they would have picked up a fourth and six at that point. And the field goal would have given you a 1610 lead. And At that point, we had not seen that Kansas City had awoken from their board slumber that they were in. So I would have kicked the field goal. But Cooley's right. Fourth and eight from their own 45, 10 and a half to go down 24 to 13. It doesn't matter if you miss it there.

Because they're going to score from any. His point was they're going to score if you punt it, you know, and they got to go 96 yards, which they did. Or they're going to score from your 45. The point is you have to score, go for two. you have to get down there and at least kick a field goal to make it 24-16 and keep it a one-score game potentially. But you really cannot punt the ball there. He said that was insane.

So maybe that was Jack Del Rio's decision. Yeah, maybe Del Rio's saying we'll stop them, you know. I'll tell you one thing. I'm feeling pretty good about my bi-week quarterback prediction that I made at the beginning of the year. We're not going to This podcast is going to be over shortly for those of you that are waiting for it to end But I just wanted to play one more

Rivera-a-bite Before I played the thing that he said about Taylor Heineckee yesterday This is where he refers to Maybe more specifics About the problems and the approach This is what he said Well again, just a little bit of concern That we had a couple things that went on

And in terms of you know, not lining up off sides, not jumping off sides, not, you know, we have to tackle better, things like that. But again, I know part of the tackling is you got to be able to practice in pads. And we didn't practice in pads this past week. A lot of it had to do with, again, you know, the injury list. And so that's an unfortunate detail. We got to fix. So in that answer, Tommy, you know, he discusses sort of potential.

adjusting his approach. And again, you know, he's talking about like the discipline and not lining up off sides, you know, not jumping off sides, you know. And then he says we've got to tackle better, but he sort of blames that on the practice or lack of practice and pads last week. Look, the lining up and jumping off sides, he's pointing to the two defensive ends who on a third and 10 went back to back off sides. Now, the third and five that Chase Young jumped off sides on was, you know, it didn't matter.

They converted there anyway. But he's talking about two, at least we know there, he's talking about, you know, two of his defensive players. And more likely than not the two defensive ends. And so what does that mean? What will what mean? What can he do? Do you think they're really going to play these guys less? Well, they played them less as a percentage of the overall defensive snaps on Sunday.

the lowest number for Chase Young so far this year, 74%. Now, it was still the most of any D-Linman. And Kansas City had 82 snaps, and you know, you probably get pretty exhausted playing Kansas City. So there was probably a plan to rotate a lot of guys in anyway. James Smith Williams is also, let me also remind myself, that James Smith Williams has jumped off sides too and had a penalty or two.

I mean, you know, Chase Young was lucky that he didn't get called for unnecessary roughness when he knocked Mahomes to the ground. Now, it would have been a sort of a pansy call in that moment, but still, we've seen less called, and that would have been a total lack of discipline on that throw, on that play, if it had been flagged. Mahomes was screaming for it. I don't know. The tackling is terrible. Jackson's been terrible as a tackler. Fuller was terrible as a tackler on Sunday. He did say some nice things about Landon Collins, as nice as you could be, You know, we know where he can play and can play well for us. And that's in the box.

That's his strength he said. The last thing I wanted to mention is just what he said when he was asked about whether or not he's considering a quarterback change. Here's what he said. No, I've been very confident in what we've done with Taylor. I know last week he had his moments this week. The same thing can be said. You know, and not every week's going to be.

as productive as people want it to be, as we want it to be. So we'll just have to see and we'll see what happens going forward. So there you go. He's not going to make a change. It would appear this week. I think another, you know, subpar effort from the quarterback. And again, they had subpar efforts from everybody on the team Sunday, including other players, including Terry McLaurin on offense,

who wasn't great the other day. But, you know, the more and more, and I watched a little bit more of the game, I didn't get into it as much as I usually do a couple of days after. But he's definitely missing some things, I think. But I just don't know that personally, Kyle Allen would be like a lot better. We don't know that. I doubt he would be. I don't know if he would or wouldn't.

I think they think – Well, put it this way, Taylor Heineke would not have been on the team last year if Kyle Allen didn't get hurt. Right. Good point. I mean, they go to play to Packers next week, Green Bay. Then they travel to Denver to play to Broncos. The Broncos are not that good, but it's tough to win in Denver. Well, they're good on defense. Yes, they are.

I'm liking my prediction of Kyle Allen in the by week, which follows the Broncos game. When they come home to play to the Super Bowl champions, the Buccaneers. Yeah, I just. On November 14th. I wonder if Ryan Fitzpatrick will be available for that one. I don't know if he will or not. I'm starting to suspect that his injury is more serious than we even think. But I don't know.

Put it this way. If Fitzpatrick were available right now, I think he'd be starting at Lambeau Sunday. I think you're right. I think he would be. But he isn't. So it's a Kyle Allen or Taylor Heineke situation, and they're probably like just not that much of a difference. That's my guess. I don't know.

All right, what else you got? I got nothing else today, boss. But you know what? It's early in the week. Who knows what lies ahead of us this week? You know, you just said something about the Denver game. Denver's been struggling here recently, and I was looking at that game a couple of weeks ago as no chance kind of a game.

Now, you know, they have played some good. teams, I guess, here recently. The Ravens, well, they played the Raiders on Sunday, and they played the Ravens a couple of weeks ago. Who else did they lose to? Because I know they've lost three in a row after winning their first three. I forget who it is. Was it Pittsburgh? It was Pittsburgh. Here it is. 2719. So they lost three games. They played the Thursday night game. So they're going to have that long rest before the Halloween game against Washington. So they're going to be sort of coming off that mini-buy, the Thursday night game against the Browns here coming up.

And then they'll get Washington at home on October 31st. I can tell you this. They're going to be an underdog. Washington's going to be an underdog in that game. Yeah. I don't know if it's, you know, a seven or eight-point underdog, but it's going to be a solid three-to-four-point underdog. So I went through this yesterday, I think.

I see right now, based on where we are currently, one game which they might be favored in, and that would be the Eagles, two games, Eagles at home, Giants on the road. To end the season, those are two games that they could potentially be favored in. And every other game, they're going to be an underdog, and several of them a big underdog. Certainly the Packers this week, the Bucks at home, it'll be a solid solid, seven or eight. The Cowboys on the road, they might be at that point a 10, 11, 12 point underdog. Could easily be that. Yeah.

What else you got? Anything? No. Yep. Done. I'm enjoying our conversation today. I hope everything's okay for you the rest of the week. Hope you have a good week until Thursday. Well, that's only today and tomorrow. I think your comment. I don't know what could happen between now and then. Well, I hope nothing bad happens. I think your comment about Jack Del Rio is, you know, a bit of a tease there.

It's interesting to consider. Okay, 5 and 11, not too good. All right, back tomorrow. Chris Nocky will be on the show with me tomorrow, and Andrew Brandt will be on the show tomorrow. So two guests tomorrow on Wednesday's show. Have a great day. great evening, great morning tomorrow morning, and we will be back with you sometime late morning, early afternoon tomorrow.