The Kevin Sheehan Show - Rivera's "Cut-Off Point" + Cooley Film

Episode Date: September 29, 2020

Kevin and Thom start with Rivera's comments yesterday that there is a "cut-off" point on Haskins. Cooley joins to talk Ravens-Chiefs, Titans Covid-19 tests, and to do his "Film Breakdown" of the offense from Sunday's loss in Cleveland.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. A sports fix Tuesday with Tommy from the Fortress of Solitude in Frederick. Cooley will join us a little bit later on with this offensive film breakdown. And we will try to motor through it. I'm hearing lots of feedback.

Tommy, you know, when you do a lot of stuff like you do and I've been doing, you get a lot of feedback, don't you? A lot of experts out there, a lot of people that want to produce shows for you, and edit columns for you. And a lot of it, in all honesty, is very much appreciated. And in fact, just so everybody knows those that have recommended clean feed instead of Zoom, we are going to try that next. Zoom's been inconsistent, Tommy. I actually think you on the phone's been better than you on Zoom, but we're going to try clean feed. And several, getting to the point that I was going to make, several people have said,

said, look, there's nothing better than Tommy and Cooley combined on one show, but we got to shorten it up a little bit. Two and a half hours is a long show, and I will concede that point. Two and a half points of a pod, two and a half hours, Tommy of a podcast is like a four-hour radio show, you know, when you consider all the spots. But anyway, good day to you. You're a little perturbed with me this morning, aren't you? Well, I asked you again, if you read my comb about the. Washington football game on Sunday. And you gave me this song and dance that you couldn't read it because it wouldn't like YouTube because you had to pay for it.

If you had waited and written this column on October 1st, I'd be clear. But I have already used up all of my Washington Times free columns and stories, all on your columns, by the way, except for that one time that I made the mistake between your column and Matt Parris's story. And I could, first of all, you didn't believe me. Okay, let's start there. You didn't believe me that I had to pay for it. So I had to take a picture of the pop-up, you know, annual digital subscription page that says you've already reached your limit. And don't send it to me.

Fine, I believe you. But you really didn't believe me until I sent the picture. And now you do believe me. And yes, it's very inexpensive. Yes, I mean, you can afford this. It's not, and I might want to point out, in your business, it's tax deductible. And listen, tax, tax deductions are all the rage right now, buddy. They are.

They are all the rage today. Are you looking forward to tonight? Now, you know, I don't like the debates anyway. I never watched any of the Democratic debates this year because they're all train wrecks. I mean, it's not what debates used to be. Nobody is actually trying to find out something to learn about each candidate. They're basically trying to catch the other candidates in their gotcha moment for the sound bites. And tonight in particular, look, everybody, I assume, is pretty much made up their mind about what they're going to do on November 3rd at this point.

You think so? I don't understand, at least on particular on Biden's side, you're not going to change anybody's view. You might change some views on the other side. But, I mean, at this point, I think people are committed. I think the only reason to watch is for the train wreck. And I'll watch it because, you know, because I will, but I'm not looking forward to it. What I think is what I think would be one of the things that could have. You know, I've predicted a fist fight on stage.

I did that a couple weeks ago on the podcast. I still think that's possible if Trump does that little circle and around the back routine that he did with Hillary. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she should have turned around and slapped him. She really should have. That was uncalled for it.

That was aggressive. And, you know, I remember thinking in the moment, because I think Bill was in the building that night. And I was thinking, you know, if that were my wife, now, my wife wouldn't be running for president. Maybe part of why they didn't do anything is she's got to handle that on her own if she's going to be president. But I think I'd have gone up there and clocked him.

had that been my wife. Yeah, that was bad. So if he does that against Biden, an Irish Catholic from Spranton, with a temper? Right. Tommy, I do want to ask you, we're not going to spend a lot of time in this. I'm actually very much looking forward to watching. I would disagree with you because I do think there is an, you know, as per usual, there's an undecided part of the electorate.

And I think these debates actually may, may influence these undecides like no other debates in the history of our general election years. But with that said, you made a comment that the debates just aren't what they used to be. What did they used to be? Did they used to be truly informative? Did we really get all of the positions where the questions fairly asked rather than an opinion made, you know, in the midst of questioning? What did they used to be like? Well, you know, it's part of television now. It's part about culture.

It's a personality culture. And the debates are now about personality more than anything else. Now, you know, I mean, to be fair, the 1960 debate between Kennedy and Nixon and Nixon was supposedly decided on Nixon's 5 o'clock shadow and how scary he looked on television. Well, it was more than his 5 o'clock shadow. It was that he wore a light suit, which made him look sickly in the first televised debate in presidential debate history, while Kennedy was in a darker suit and looked sharp. You know, you don't wear super light colors on TV, and that was a big mistake. And, you know, you just made the case that the very first debate in history was based on something that had nothing to do with their positions on issues.

I know, and this may be a nostalgic point of view. It's just, they've just become more of personality driven. I mean, you know, I mean, if you are undecided now, you are stupider than the people who are going to vote for this guy. I'm telling you, if you are undecided, you might be some of the stupidest people on earth. Yeah, I don't, I don't agree with that. all. I would agree with that if we had a clear-cut option that wasn't also a problem. But I am looking forward to tonight, though. I think it's going to be wildly entertaining. And you may be right. I think it's good. I don't know about fists being thrown. I think it's going to be very

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Yeah, yeah, because you won't spring to read it. You could copy, paste, and send it to me. I mean, the whole game was Dwayne Haskins. You know, four turnovers out of five for the team, three interceptions. I mean, if you have the zero interception, Haskins from the previous two weeks, that's a winnable game for Washington. All that said, my column says, you know,

you got to live with it. You've got to live with this, at least for a while. At this point, you've got to give, you've got to give them a chance to go through these growing pains. And I point out that there's, I mean, for Washington football fans, it's terribly unfair. to tell them you have to be patient yet again and watch a process yet again with a bunch of new young players yet again that need to grow. But that's the reality. So, I mean, you know, the idea of benching

Dwayne at this point seems foolish to me. Doesn't seem, you've got to see this thing through. You got to see it to the point where if he's so bad, the other players on the team start to say, hey, we need a change. That's when you make the trigger. At this point, I mean, he's got to stay in. I agree with you. But I really think that Ron Rivera yesterday took it to a different level than where he was after the game. Because basically he said what you just said, which is there is a point. There is a point where you have to cut it off.

You know, there's a point in which others, quote, meaning other players in the locker room, quote, deserve better. Closed quote. I thought those were very interesting comments from Ron Rivera yesterday about Dwayne Haskins. Let me play two of the sound bites right now. This is Ron Rivera yesterday talking about Dwayne Haskins. By the way, 10 of the first 15 questions were all about Haskins. And Tommy, by the way, I agree with you.

The reason they lost the game Sunday was Haskins. but I'm not ready to bail because there was still some good in the game from him. But this was Rivera yesterday. I think adding a new layer of interest to whether or not Haskins really has the whole season to prove he can do it. Ron, I know you said Dwayne is your quarterback for the foreseeable future, but I look at that locker room and there's a bunch of competitive guys in there. If he continues to struggle or have, you know, poor performances, is it going to be harder and harder to sell Dwayne as your quarterback going forward

because in that locker room guys want to win. Yes, they do. And again, there were a lot of guys that gave their heart, put their heart out on the field. And truthfully, they deserve better. I mean, when you look at the way, you know, Duran played and Jonathan and Montez, I mean, you know, guys like that are leaving in on the field. John Bostick, I mean, you know, guys played hard. You know, then you turn around the offense side.

You look at those guys on the offensive line were battling and fighting too. you know, the things that the backs and the receivers and tight. I mean, you have to, you know, say at some point there is. And I'll cross that bridge when I get there. You know when that bridge may be? Is there like a cup point? Like obviously you want to see grow. There is.

To me, there is. But is there going to be a time where you just got to, in a sense, maybe cut bait in a way? Yes, there is. I mean, again, and you brought up the point. And it's a very good point is that there are guys in that locker room that are playing well enough for us to win. And again, we have to make sure everybody is playing well enough to win at that point. And there is a there is a cutoff point for me. There is. I found Tommy those two sound bites, which I put together, to be really interesting because, you know, Sunday after the game, he's

backing Dwayne publicly. You know, they're sticking with Dwayne. This is a process, et cetera, et cetera. And then yesterday, he's saying, you know, the guys in the locker room deserve. better and there is a cutoff point for him. I made, Cooley made the point yesterday to say, yeah, because he got up on Sunday night or Monday morning, got up and watched the tape. And the tape revealed some major mistakes and maybe some mistakes that they think he should be beyond at this point. I also find it interesting that, you know, Rivera, you know, talks about there are guys in that locker room that are playing to win. Well, the coach isn't playing to win. So there is that.

Yes. Although that may have changed, too. And I'll tell you why in a moment, J.P. Finley and the NBC sports team partner gets that interview with Rivera on Monday. And Rivera said, you know, we're in this thing. We're in the division lead right now. And he compared it to 2014 when he was in Carolina when they were 3, 8, and 1 and made a run and won the division at 7, 8, and 1. So maybe he's rethinking the R&D year. the development year. But what do you make of what he said about Haskins as it relates to the

other players on the team that are playing well? I think cool. He's right. He probably got to look at the film and there were things much worse. His initial reaction was to protect his quarterback and defend his quarterback. But the film, as they say, doesn't lie. And he saw some serious flaws in there as far as look I think the big I think what's what's going to turn into a big story it not I mean as big as Haskins no but a bigger story that it should have to be is this whole time out thing Kevin I mean the coach not not not playing the win for the second week in a row uh I mean if he's worried about what his players think about Dwayne Haskins not giving them a chance to win. And obviously the coach's lack of confidence in the quarterback's

ability to bring them back for a miracle finish, what does it say to the other players if they're getting that same message from the coach? So while Haskins is the bigger story, this timeout thing is going to become an issue for the coach. It's just, God, I don't want to sit here and continue to do this. I did it all last week and I did it yesterday, but there is just, there's confusion with this. I think he's confused. I don't know how much of his personal battle right now is impacting what he's doing professionally. It certainly would be understandable if it is. I don't think there's any doubt. What we saw on Sunday just doesn't happen in the NFL. It doesn't matter what stage of the career your quarterback is or your offense is or it just doesn't happen.

And if it were to have happened as it did and there were a reasonable explanation, which it's hard to come up with one, but his being that he's trying to protect his players from injuries and then he's running plays anyway, there's just, it's all disconnected and discombobulated in his own mind. And he's digging his heels in on that stuff, Tommy. like he's really doubling and tripling down. He did it in his presser yesterday. Like, don't tell me my business, boy. I know what I'm doing.

Well, no, you don't. And this isn't one of those things, and I know I'm going to hear from so many of you. And I've seen it on Twitter before. Oh, right, Sheehan. Like, you know more than Ron Rivera. You know what? When it comes to 99.999-999% of football, what he's forgotten, I'll never know. but when it comes to calling timeouts the way he has the last two weeks, I'm right and he's wrong.

All of us, let me put all of us into the same category, are right and he's wrong. There is no explanation, well, there is an explanation that could match the actions, but it hasn't. So there is that. You know, he's being dishonest or just as forgotten. But really, if you're trying to build something and you're trying to get your quarterback and your young players reps without trying to win, why not get him two minute reps at the end of the half or the end of the games? But if you're really concerned about the injuries, you don't keep your starters out there on defense. And then when you get the ball back on offense, you take two knees and you take your six timeouts home with you, your three second half and your three first half. I'll tell you, in many ways, the first half thing is even worse, because at 17-7, and I would assume at the end of the first half, he's not conceding at that point.

And he conceded at the end of the half in trying to score. Do you know that they told Antonio Gibson on the run to stay in bounds to keep the clock running? They wanted to get to the locker room. So, no, he's wrong on this. And his explanation does not match his actions, which makes it. it even more confusing. With that said, back to Dwayne. I think what's in play now, two things are in play. Number one is just the possibility that we just don't know where Dwayne is in those meeting rooms and in practice and what the teammates really think. There's this audio, I don't know if you

heard it Tommy yesterday on social media, of Thomas Davis in a miced-up training camp practice. telling Dwayne, hey, you're staring it down. You stare down the crossing route. I saw that. And Dwayne saying, no, I didn't. And him saying, well, when you look at the tape, you can come back to me and tell me I'm right. And Dwayne said, well, what if I'm right?

And he said, well, then you can come back and tell me I'm wrong. And so there's already the staring down controversy, if you will. But I think there's two things at play. Number one, there is the possibility that they already. know that he's not the guy. And they're sort of going through the motions of making it seem fair. But in Ron's gut and in Scott Turner's gut and in Ken Zampeze's gut, he's not the guy. They don't see it in the meeting room. They don't see it brought out to the practice field. They don't see it in the games. And what are we doing here? Well, because this isn't going to be

a year in which they're going to win anyway, then we are going to go through the motions of giving him a the perceived fair shot. And by the way, what are their options? You know, Kyle Allen, Alex Smith. Yeah, that's what I mean. They don't have a lot of options. But this idea of not winning with the defense that they have or appear to have, and with the NFCEs in such chaos, I mean, I wouldn't raise the white flag.

It's a win of both division. Yeah. Well, I don't think they're anywhere near as good as the Cowboys. And they lost Matt Ionitis for the year yesterday, which is a big. Big loss. And who knows what the Chase Young situation is. Hopefully he'll be all right, but he could miss a couple of weeks. That's what I've heard, but I don't know that for a fact.

Josina Anderson reported yesterday that he went for an MRI. But the second thing that I wanted to mention, one of the things is, you know, look, we just don't know yet, but we will at some point that they just don't think it's workable, that they don't think it's worth it. But we're going to go through, you know, more games and maybe a season, and then they'll make that decision in the off season. But there's something else at play. And this is where he told J.P. Finley, like he woke up yesterday morning and realized, hey, we're in first place. You know, we're one and two. And I do have a good defense. And I've got some players

offensively. And by the way, Scott Turner's called a hell of a game the other day. And, you know, we could win this division at 7 and 8 and 1 or 7 and 9 or 8 and 8. And we're good enough to win some of these games. And you'll, hey, you know, I hate playing the schedule game, but play the schedule game. They've got the Giants twice. They've got the Bengals on the schedule. You know, they still have all the five division games left, and they've already won one of them over a team that's floundering in Philadelphia. They played Detroit. There's one other bad team. Carolina, like right now, you know, if he said in his mind yesterday, you can beat the Giants, we can beat the Lions, we can beat the Bengals, we can beat Carolina. Hell, that's, that's two.

three, four, five to go with the one we have. That's six. If we can steal one more, we're seven and nine. We might be in the postseason in this division. Well, this is what I just said. I know. I heard you. I'm not creating an echo. I'm agreeing with you. That I mean, so why? I mean, so, I mean, that's why I don't get the timeouts. Well, because I don't think he felt that way until he woke up yesterday and realized he was in first place. And his quarterback really played poorly. And a game that they could have been in first place with a two-and-one record had the quarterback not turned it over four times. And look, if on Sunday against the Ravens, they're down 34 to 23 with, you know, four minutes left and the Ravens are driving the ball and they're not calling timeouts, well, then this whole idea of trying to win the division, this new idea that he told JP, is not real. And he really is in total R&D.

We're not trying, you know, year. which I think is absurd. I agree with you completely. But maybe this is the week he starts to manage the clock more professionally and more with an urgency to attempt to win the game. Like, come on, coach, try to win the game. He's not going to do that. He's not going to do it.

After sitting there and basically almost, you know, coming off the stage to rip the lungs out of people questioning his timeout strategy, he's not going to turn around and do what you told him to do? Well, then that's going to be a big problem. Because if he woke up yesterday and said, what? We're in first place, one and two. And we get the Giants twice and the Bengals and the Panthers and the lions and, you know, the Cowboys can't stop anybody.

And hey, maybe we can win. Now all of a sudden maybe winning becomes more of a priority. Look, Tommy, I think what I've realized in this first three games is what Panther fans have been saying for a long time. Ron's a really good coach, but he's terrible at clock management and game management. All you got to do is Google, Ron Rivera, clock management, and there's thread after thread of Carolina Panther fans complaining about it. David Tepper, the owner, is a massive analytics guy. One of the reasons he is moving on is because Ron's too old school. for him. And it doesn't mean that I think Ron Rivera's a really good coach. I think Mike Shanahan's a

really good coach. Mike struggled at times with clock management when he was here. You know, I remember, do you remember that time that Kyle and I on the air got into a debate as to how they managed the clock at the end of a half? And Kyle told me I didn't know what I was talking about. And then I went back at him and I said, well, you could have had the ball back with a minute 40 left instead of 30 seconds left. And then he just moved on. He completely brushed it off. Do you remember that?

You know, if I had to keep track of all your debates about how many times you were right, I wouldn't have time to watch anything. Stop it. Oh, my God. That's you on a half shell. I mean, my God, the number of times we spend 10 minutes, first 10 minutes of the show. Remember what I said? What happened?

Oh, by the way, I wanted to give you props for breaking the news. on Matt Ionitis. That was that. Congratulations. I mean, you know, it's nobody likes to break bad news about an injury to somebody, but you had it first and you got credit in most places. I saw every once in a while stumble into something. Anyway, I think what got introduced yesterday by Ron Rivera is the possibility that this could end this year. And I think after the game on Sunday, I thought, you know, unless you get into a situation where it becomes so obvious end of the year, you know, then maybe you get some Kyle Allen, who knows.

but I think what we saw yesterday the other possibility on this is that he's publicly challenging him that one of the things and Galdi brought this up with me on the show this morning. Galdi said that one of the things that Ron Rivera said over the summer,

he talked about a meeting that he had with Urban Meyer where Urban Meyer said one of the things you must do with Dwayne is you must challenge him publicly and he'll respond. And he challenged him. in the off season publicly. Yes.

And so Galdi's theory is that, you know, he woke up, watched the tape and said, I've got to challenge him publicly. I've got to say that, you know, he, the other players deserve better. And that'll, that'll rile him up. The problem is, is he didn't, you know, he had to be asked that specific question to answer. He didn't offer it up. It wasn't something that he tried to work in to another question. He was asked specifically about the other players and what their reaction would be if, you know,

Dwayne continued to make mistakes, which costs them the game, which he did on Sunday. Now let me ask you two questions. If Dwayne gets benched, he's obviously not going to be happy. Does the owner come into play at all in that decision? or does Dwayne go to his friend Dan and Dan says don't bother me Dwayne

I got bigger problems Well I know the answer I know what your answer is your answer is of course there's going to be a problem if he begs his doing

No I think he's going to he's going to push Dway away and say hey I'm sorry I got bigger problems right now to deal with than your ego yeah you ever heard of Beth Wilkinson, she's not easy.

Yeah. Yeah, I think it'd be the latter. I just think he's probably rightfully consumed with hanging on to his football team. So I don't think he's going to be, you know, fighting another battle on another front where he's got so many battles that he has to fight. I have no idea. I'm bothered about one thing, though. I'm bothered that that it's not that I'm bothered

because this would hardly be a shocker to me but John Kime wrote in his column Sunday that one of the things that Ron Rivera when he took the job promised that he would really work hard to develop Duane. I talked to John afterwards

and I'm like, you know, I had Ron Rivera on my show in August and I asked him specifically if there was a quid pro quo you know, did you have to commit to the owner to get this job that you would make it work with Dwayne, that you would give Dwayne, you know, every opportunity to be the franchise quarterback. And he said, absolutely not. To me, it makes sense that that conversation took place, right? I mean, the conversation about Haskins took place before the offer was made. Don't you think that that, it would be weird if it

hadn't been, and that somehow the owner got across to Ron that he's a big Dwayne Haskins fan. Remember this, too, Tommy, that the owner said that Carolina had a first round grade on Dwayne. Yes, they did. Yeah, that's been said. Look, of course that conversation probably took place, but, you know, there's always that play. I mean, there could have been part of what Jay Gruden did when the owner asked. him about RG3 is, you know, when you want a job, you tell the guy, yeah, I know how to run a widget from, for Micah, you know, I know how to work one of those machines. Yeah. So, so there may

even part of that. He really wanted this job, as you pointed out, because he wanted to get back into coaching right away. Uh, so, uh, I just don't think because of, you know, it'll be Dwayne's misfortune that because Dan Snyder's plate is 110% fall, that he won't have time to protect his prize number one draft pick. It's possible. You know, at this point, again, I believe, my belief on this is three games, for me as a fan, watching them playing three games this year is not enough. And there's been. I agree. I agree with that. And there's been some good. in these three games too. But what we don't know is what they're, you know, all of the other stuff.

And, you know, it may be, for all we know right now, there's a consensus out there that he's not the guy, you know, that we gave it a shot and he's not the guy. And we can't, if we're going to turn this program around, including the culture around, and by the way, I'm not suggesting that he would be bad culture. But if we're going to win football games over the next five years and to your, your point, you've always suggested he better do something quickly or he could be in trouble, that he's not going to get the military three, four, five years, that they may have already come to the conclusion that, look, there's a lot about him that would be, is alarming.

You know, his footwork is terrible. The mechanics are terrible. The staring down receivers on Sunday, you know, and the decision making was poor. They lost a football game Sunday because of the quarterback. There's no close number two on the reasons that they lost the game Sunday. So if that happens another one or two times, it just may be it. They may have already come to that conclusion and then they'll see it one to two more times and then we'll probably get the guy they had last year. But personally, for me, watching these games, not knowing what's going on in meeting rooms and the personalities and the leadership and all that stuff and whether or not he's getting it, it's not enough.

I've seen enough good to want to see much more and to make sure that, you know, he's not the guy. I still think there's a chance he could be the guy. That may be, you know, and I agree with you. I mean, there's no, I don't think, I think it's way too early to pull the plug. Let me ask you this. In terms of Washington football team disasters, where we're. would the owner drafting a failed first round quarterback ranking?

I mean, it would certainly be on the list. It's not number one. Is it a big one? It's not, yeah, it's a big one, of course. But, you know, it's right up there with all the others. The, you know, the Zornhire, the keeping Bruce Allen around, the Albert Haynes. I mean, we've got a list of, of, of owner transgressions, of owner mistakes that, you know, is, is worn piece length over. over 21 years. I mean, so you'd really... I know, but this, this one, this is one that happened, you know, recently, relatively recently. And, and at a time when, uh, some people in this town were trumpeting the new Dan Snyder, the uninvolved Dan Snyder. I love when you do that. Um, I don't, look, we still, what we know about that draft is that Dan, desperately wanted them to draft Dwayne Haskins in the first round at number 15.

And not only that, the reporting, if you recall, was also that he was urging them to trade up to get Dwayne Haskins, which would have even been a bigger disaster potentially because we're still not sure whether or not Haskins would have been selected in the first round if Washington hadn't taken him at 15 overall. Just because people had a first round grade on him doesn't mean that he was the next guy on everybody's board. You know, we've gone through that whole draft. There was a possibility that he could have dropped out of the first round and that they could

have had a shot at him in the second round or they could have had a shot where they got sweat by trading into the first round end of it and drafting him there. But anyway. Well, the quarterback still has a chance to show the league that they done messed up. He still got that chance. That's true. Yes, he does. And he gets his chance this coming Sunday.

against the Baltimore evens. Yeah, that was a game, man, last night because, whoof, Kansas City. I'm going to talk to Cooley about that game in more detail here in a moment. But, man, Mahomes and then Jackson, you know, you're going to get to the point here where Baltimore is going to have to, you know, beat a Kansas City. They're going to have to win a playoff game.

Or you're going to say, look, as a front running team, Jackson's fine. When you've got the lead and you can run the football and you can stay in that You know, but if you've got a throw to come back, it's going to be a problem. He's 0 and 6 when his team is down at halftime. Yeah, his dropback game is really painful at times to watch. With that said, when they are in that, you know, dual threat, you know, capability, he can be really good off of play action, off of bootleg, off of creating.

But in pure dropback, not good, not good at all. It certainly wasn't last night. I just wanted to get one more thing from you before we end our part of today's show. Are the Dodgers going to win the World Series? I love the next two days, Tommy, I think are going to be absolutely thrilling for sports fans, especially if you love postseason baseball. You know that there are four games today, eight games tomorrow, eight playoff games. This is like the NCAA tournament the next couple of days, you know, the early round of the tournament,

for gamblers anyway. The Dodgers are such a heavy favorite. They are plus 300. And the next best is like the Padres or the Yankees at like plus a thousand. Do you think the Dodgers are going to win the World Series? Look, anything could happen in postseason baseball, particularly this postseason baseball. I still think the whole baseball season is an abomination. I think that the postseason is a continuation of that abomination.

Therefore, I am rooting for the Miami Marlins to win the whole thing. That would be awesome, too. But, uh, I don't, look, anything can happen in this two out of three. I mean, I mean, I, you know, I don't think they should even give, give awards this year. Like MVP, Cy Young, all that. I don't think they should even give awards. You know what the award should be for? The award should be for finishing it because you didn't have them finishing it.

No, I didn't. And I didn't. I was 100% wrong on that. And hockey, hockey got through it with, with no issue. They haven't finished yet. No, they haven't. But hockey's done. Hockey did it.

Hockey has done. They had to leave the country to do it. Well, the NBA didn't have to leave the country, and it looks like they're going to get through it. They haven't finished yet either. No, they haven't. But they're going to finish. You're not going to see the NBA finals will be played. Listen, I'm down by 11 with two minutes left.

I'm not wasting my timeouts, buddy. You're gone? You don't want to use. one of them to stick around a little bit longer? No, I'm using them. I'm not leaving. I'm not taking them. Oh, you want to stay a little bit longer and use your timeouts. Wow. You know, that is really a change. You wanting to work more rather than less. Congratulations on a first. All right, what else you got? Do you have anything else?

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They play the Steelers Sunday at home in Nashville and a matchup of two, three and O teams, big time early season matchup. The Vikings, because they played the Titans, are also shutting it down. They play this week. I forget who they play. They play the Texans this week. So we now have the first adversity to the NFL. season as it relates to COVID. We've got, you know, I don't know how this will get resolved. The reporting right now is that

the Titans are not going to be allowed in their building until Saturday. Everything's going to be done remotely. Can they actually play a game on Sunday without practicing Cooley? Absolutely, they can play a game on Sunday without practicing. Might be a little bit difficult. I got a lot of thoughts on this, Kevin.

A lot of thoughts on. Give them to me. one, why can't they just go test everybody today? Because I guess because in theory you could have a positive test four days later, right? Yeah, it's that incubation period or whatever. The incubation period, so you don't know. Two, how happy I would have been as a player to have a full week off and they'd be able to go play a game. No joking aside.

I know they're going to have meetings and installs. And they are getting used to some of the Zoom stuff. But how happy I would have been to not go practice. three, do they orchestrate a practice or is that something that they can or can't do, i.e. John Beck at Tuscarora High School when we had the NFL lockout season. Does Kirk Cousins get together with Adam Thielen to go through some of the new concepts that they had? Well, I mean. Or by first in Tennessee.

Cousins doesn't even like wearing a mask. You know, he's only doing it to, you know, because he's respectful of those that think that the masks are working. You know, there was, I'm trying to figure this out right now because I remember when the NFL set the schedule and I thought it was week four where they said the week four matchups, everybody was going to have the same bye week. And that would just be so unbelievable if they timed it perfectly on that. I'm just, I'm just going through here. So the Titans by week is week seven. The Steelers buy week is week eight. Okay, so I was wrong about that. Their by week is week eight.

For whatever reason, I thought that one of the early weeks in the season, the NFL was essentially making it so that everybody that was playing each other had the same buy week. And therefore, if a game got canceled or postponed that they could reschedule it for their buy week. But that's not the case. Anyway, continue. What's the line change on this within three hours? Well, they'll shut the line down. down. The game, there'll be no line on the game. I'll tell you right now, let's see if it can be bet. There's probably not going to be a line in the game. It's going to be

because you don't know. Let's see if one of my shops has shut it down already. NFL Sunday. Can I go in and bet the Steelers? The Steelers are one and a half of the Titans. The game is still on the board right now. So, If I try to play the Steelers right now, I can play the Steelers right now if I want to play them. Should I do it? Now, if the game's not playing, it'll be avoided bet. It'll be avoided bet. It would be really fascinated to see.

So are they going to shut the line down? I think they will. I mean, maybe there's an opportunity right now. This is unprecedented territory. Games that lose lots of players for sickness or for injury are usually off the board. until there's resolution to who's playing and who isn't and the proper point spread can be set. Well, the other reason you can't set a line is because what if you go test on Saturday when everybody comes into the building and 14 guys have it? Well, we've seen, I mean, the lines have been, you know, free flowing all week up until kickoff with that is, with that is a possibility already this year.

Anyway, I mean, it would, you can't say, You can't sit a line because there could have been 10 guys that got it from the game. Yeah, that's why Tennessee and Minnesota. Tennessee is the one that had the positive COVID tests. Minnesota's shut down because of it because they just played each other. So. No, I understand. I mean, trust me, I get where it come from.

I'm just saying. I mean, the bottom line. You know how many guys have it on Saturday. I bet you this is, I bet you, I don't know. I have no idea. They probably got to go in a test throughout the week. because here's the other thing you've got to think about. What if you have that,

what if you end up having 10 guys that have it, and you can't field a 53? Right. Well, they, right now. And then, so there's a COVID-I.R. Right. You could just miss a game with COVID. There's the COVID three-week IR,

but there's also the expanded practice squad where you can, you know, go to the practice squad and call players up to play with, it's just more, it's more available. it was. I'm not going to be able to give you specifically what it is. I'm just reading Tom Pellasaro, three new player positives, five new personnel positives. Both the Titans and Vikings will suspend in-person club activities starting today. Diana Rusini, a league source just texted

me. We're shutting Tennessee down until Saturday. And then she, yeah, Rusini's all over this. Let's see. The Titans will not be allowed in their building until. Saturday, everything will be done remotely. This is going to be a big challenge for the organization in the league. There were no positive tests with the Vikings when notified this morning, but the NFL is taking the safe approach via protocols with facility shutdown, source added. So no Minnesota Viking has tested positive yet, but again, it's only two days. It's, you know, it's less than 48 hours since they played. Anyway. Okay. What did you, just real quickly,

I wanted to get your thoughts on Mahomes last night and on and on Jackson in the Chiefs' Ravens game. Baltimore's defense is good. Mahomes made them look silly. I know. They played multiple coverages. They tried to play multiple looks.

I actually rarely tweet, and I was just randomly saw something on Twitter, which was a Mahomes throw where he's backpedaling six or seven yards and then plants and throws. It might have been eight yards before he plants and throws, and it's a touchdown over the top. And it truly reminded me, you never played video games of 1991 TechMobile.

Yeah, right. And anybody that's listening that played that game understands this. You used, especially anyone with good receivers like the 49ers in that game with John Taylor and Jerry Rice, you used to just drop your quarterback Joe Montana would go back like 20 yards and then you'd just heave one all the way across the field right it completely unrealistic except that's what Mahomes did that throw to hard hard man was ridiculous I mean there were multiple there was a third of Hardman that was ridiculous that Hardman drop but the touchdown throw third and 14 backing up and throwing it on a rope 60 yards it was unbelievable it was a video game Kevin it I don't know what to say like if you have that place player, that would be, okay, here's another video game comparison, like 2002 Madden or 2004 Madden or whatever it was. When you played against any of your friends who were like, all right, here's the deal. You could be anybody about Atlanta. You cannot have Michael Vick on your game.

Right. That's like playing Patrick Mahomes. He's so much better than almost any other player in the league right now. Some of the things that he does are not fair things. Did you see afterwards to his mom tweeted something. Yeah. To all the announcers, like, don't call him Pat. Yeah, he's Patrick. His dad's Pat. That happened to me with Matthew McConaughey.

Yes, it did. Matthew McCona. I called him Matt. Old Christa called Matthew. Don't call me Matt. My name's Matthew. My mom would be mad. Yeah.

Okay. I said, okay, Matt, and then I left. On Jackson, do you know that he hasn't won a game in which they've trailed at halftime? I think it's very clear that if you ask him to drop back to win a game, it's a problem for Baltimore. Well, it's a problem for Baltimore, and it's not just because of Jackson. So let me be clear on that. Now, again, this is one of those ones that are tough because my pre-draft Jackson evaluation,

and some of the post-draft stuff is that he's the best running back in football. And that I don't know if he's going to be a good quarterback. You and I did this together. I said, I'd take him number one overall if he'll do anything I want. I think he's the most versatile player of seeing coming out. Right. didn't say i'd take it number one as a quarterback it's like you're an asshole yeah well i'd take a number one if you would do anything i want and baltimore created an offense for lamar jackson and so

when you start talking about just dropping back and throwing they're out of their game plan completely they're not they're without they're out of flow out of rhythm out of game plan their game plan operates on heavy run a lot of run action pass jackson implementing some of the things he does back there as a runner. It took away some of their game plan. He's a guy that can throw the ball to me accurately down the field deep, but I don't think he's the most accurate passer in the intermediate range. And I don't think his timing's exceptional when you have to go high to low and hit that intermediate range. I think he's a tremendous player. But yeah, if you force him to throw him, frustrate him, he's not.

I think a lot of Ravens fans last night or early this morning woke up saying not sure, I mean, I'm not saying they're right because I don't think they're, I'm not sure that they're necessarily right because we've seen front runners win before, whether it's a

front runner in golf or a front runner in basketball or any sport. Like they have the ability to jump out early and bury you and continue to do their thing. But the likelihood of being able to do that through three postseason games, you know, home, home, home road Super Bowl, we didn't see it last year. You know, we saw him get behind against Tennessee. He was forced to throw the ball 59 times and they were only able to score 12 points in the entire game. They couldn't come back after falling behind 14-0 and they

couldn't stop Derek Henry either, which was a big problem for them last year. The year before that, I don't even put that San Diego game on him. He barely played it at that point. But it's like what all of the people, the NFL experts always said when we were talking about Zone Reed and the way the game was changing and they would say, look, at some point to win a Super Bowl, you're going to have to drop back on third and nine in the pocket and make a play. And I guess that's true to a certain degree. I guess it is. San Francisco almost won a Super Bowl without having to do that with Kaepernick in 2012.

But anyway, he had 97 yards passing and 83 yards rushing. And it's funny because 83 yards rushing could end up being a 258 yard passing day, but they got down. And I think the thing you just continue to learn is how good Kansas City is not. I mean, Kansas City had the test with the Chargers, what, a week ago. Yeah, the Chargers really defended them well. I mean, it seems when you watch a game like last night, you're like, my God, my God, Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill and Clyde Edwards, they just can't be stopped.

But the Chargers stopped them. Well, clearly the Chargers are pretty a defense. Yeah. The Chargers giving up more than 24 in any game. Well, it was overtime with the Chiefs. but Chargers are pretty good defense. I mean, the other teams they played. Right.

The Panthers are not dominant offensive teams. Like I wouldn't put Carolina last week as a dominant offensive team. And I wouldn't say that the Cincinnati yet is a dominant offensive team. But the Chargers, I think there's something to the Chargers. Yeah, I agree. Defensively, no doubt. The other Bosa and Ingram and all those guys, they're good. Still, real quickly, the next head coach, offensive-minded, genius head coach is going to be Joe Bray.

who is the offensive coordinator in Carolina and was Burroughs O.C. last year at LSU. And, you know, it's interesting watching Carolina. That's going to be a team that I don't think is going to be as bad as people think. They lost a close game, a winnable game to the Raiders in week one. They got behind, tried to come back against the Buccaneers, and then they won against the Chargers on Sunday on the road. I actually think that that's a team that's not terrible, like everybody thought they were going to be. so far, so good for Matt Rule, Joe Brady, et cetera, and in Carolina. All right, let's get to the film breakdown.

We're going in-depth, play-by-play. The Cooley Film Breakdown. Here's Cooley and Kevin. Kevin, the offensive film breakdown from the Cleveland game. Yep. I think you'll have some surprises. I think you'll have some known disappointments. I don't think anybody's questioning what the Dwayne Haskins grade

is going to be. I don't know how you'd question that. There's some good stuff from the offense. There's bad stuff. I wanted to start with a couple of things that I thought were really impactful to the game. And to me, there were two calls that I thought were absolutely insane that to me truly impacted this game. I went through a little bit of it with you yesterday, but the first one is a reverse to write where West Martin gets called for a hold. They were ahead seven three in the second quarter of the ballgame. Right. It's a first and 10 and right ends up picking up four or five. It's not a huge play, but instead they go into a first and 20 situation.

This right now is not a team that overcomes first and 20, second and 20. What's weird is Duane did it a bunch last year, but right now it just doesn't seem like that type of team. The hold on Martin is insane. He's blocking. He's on the left. He's blocking down to pin for the reverse. I think when the referee throws the hold, he thinks it's run.

So it looks like he's blocking down and it's holding on with bad leverage where the back is going further inside. He's blocking towards the back. But it's doing what he's supposed to do and the reverse is coming back out. I don't think the referee saw the reverse. There's no chance, no way, no nothing. There's no hold, not even a, not even a iota of a hold. you go into first and 20 the next play they throw a swing pass for a five-yard loss

and they end up happy to punt and Cleveland scores the next possession. Those are things that are little things in games where you say we can't beat ourselves but that wasn't one of those plays where you beat yourself. Right? Like to me, that's not a play where you beat yourself. The other one is a first and ten throw to Terry

McCorren where they're down to, 2420 late in the game. Yeah. And it's a run action pass. Great ball to Terry. When you call OPI on a receiver, it's when they truly extend with the arm. Terry comes out of his break and it's almost like he takes his arm and it's like a swim.

He's swatting hands off of him. There's no extension. There's not even like a lot of times you teach tight ends, sometimes receivers a little bit that you can chicken wing. Like you can kind of bump and chicken wing. I watched this 50 times, like over and over and over and over and over. It's not even a chicken wing. It's just a swap by the receiver.

There is no chance in hell that that's OPI. Terrible call. They called it on TV too. In the moment, in the moment, they had just went and scored on the previous draft. Right. They were 2420, 20 to 17. 2420. 27.

Cleveland comes back in fours. Yeah, 2420 Cleveland. And we're in a back and forth second half right now. back and forth, we're doing something. And again, now you're put in a bad situation because of a penalty that didn't exist. Right.

I'm not making excuses here. And I'm not saying anything that it would have, it for sure would have changed the game. But to me, this is the team that can't afford these kind of calls. And these are bad calls. These are two bad calls that dynamically impacted the game. Like,

I thought it when I watched it in real time, and I feel the exact same way watching it on film. You get them out of rhythm and they struggle a little bit. So I, to me, I was really frustrated with those couple calls because it's like, man, if Washington gets that play, Duane had gotten some rhythm. He just had the big throw to Inman for the touchdown. And then he comes back. That's this next throw. It's a strike to Terry. And you're like, man, it's killing you. Yeah, I agree. Look, I don't know if they're going to win that game anyway. But those that got hung up in the final score and, you know, debated on whether or not Ron Rivera. There's no debate.

He should have been calling his timeouts. You forget that Washington took a 20 to 17 lead into the fourth quarter. I made this point on radio this morning, the point you made, and that was the third and 12 defensively where Ryan Carrigan dropped in coverage and they completed it. If you get the stop there, you have all the momentum in the world. And at that point, Cooley, the win probability for Washington would have been probably like 70%. But when they did answer after making that third and 12, and then now you have to answer, your first plays a 10-yard play and it gets waved off. That's really unfortunate.

That's a terrible call because two plays later, he threw the pick to Goodson. Yeah, two plays later. You throw a pick, you give Cleveland the ball back, and now it's 31.20. Yep. And they're just not a third and 10 team. We'll go through all the picks. we'll go through all the things. I think we'll start with DeWain as we always start with Wayne. Let's get to Dwayne. So when you look at Haskins to me, it's like, I'm going to start with,

I'm just going to start with this. He was four or 14 down the field for anything over 10 yards. He had two interceptions. He did have two touchdowns, throwing the ball down the field. He had some misses that were open. He had some misses that were open and I'll go through all of those. 14 of his completions on the day were inside of five yards. And I think like seven of them were behind the line of scrimmage or at zero yards. He is not getting the ball down the field. Right. Now, he did throw the ball down the field more than the last couple of weeks.

My point that I want to make before all of this, before I start any of this, it stays the same and I feel even more so, even after some bad interceptions. If he is not throwing the ball down the field, he is not getting better. right now. Ron Rivera said it. I feel it. I think a lot of people see it the same way. This is essentially a rookie year. This is a quarterback that didn't play four years in college. This is a guy that wasn't believed in last year, whether right or wrong, he wasn't believed in, so it didn't help him. And it's a guy that switched offenses in the offseason. And so through week one and two, just saying we need Dwayne to manage a game and strictly manage a game is not going to allow any

progression for Dwayne throughout this season. Right now, just managing the game, he's not seeing enough looks to their concepts down the field. And he's not learning how to get the ball down the field. And if you can't get the ball down the field or doesn't want to get the ball down the field or doesn't feel certain with it, then we're just going to stay static with where we are as a quarterback. And we're going to end up with best case, Trent Dill for managing a season through the best defense ever in winning a Super Bowl and being done. You're saying that's, yeah, as the Best case, yeah. Your best case scenario is three years from now.

You've taught a quarterback to just manage games, and you're finding a way to win 1713. Right. Which, I don't know, by the way, doesn't happen anymore in the NFL. Well, there are too many good quarterbacks and too many good offenses and too many things skewed towards the offense. You have to get the ball down the field. I thought that in general, and I feel this the same way, I thought that it was a pretty good game plan. There were some calls that I didn't necessarily love in situations. I'm not a big fan of some of the swing screens and some of the swing stuff that they have, even to Gibson, in second tens, second 20s, first and 20s.

I don't think Dwayne throws an accurate enough pass at this point to ensure that I know my guy's going to catch and run. Totally agree with that. You can see it. slip screens. I'm not 100% sure. It has to be too perfect for to work and it's not perfect enough. He doesn't throw that ball well. Right. I think he does struggle with that ball. So some of those calls, questioning a little bit, I don't necessarily love any of the third down combinations that they are getting to. Now, a couple of, they converted on some of it. And a lot, it's okay. But most of their third down stuff is designated to be run after the catch to get the first down.

Right. So, and a couple of them, like a Terry McLaurin, shallow crosser, they got huge in man to man-to-man coverage. A McKissick crosser, huge in man-to-man covered. And so some of it worked. Some of it did. Back to Dwayne. If you can believe this, on all of his dropbacks, I think he was only truly pressured seven

times. Yeah, it seemed like the protection held up pretty well. Sunday. I was curious as to what you were going to say about that. I did not see a lot of pressure on Dwayne Haskins in this game. I thought the offensive line did a pretty good job. And now also keep in mind, and this might be something to think about as we move forward, I thought Cleveland could bring some pressure and play in man-to-man more. Washington did an okay job against man-to-man coverage. They struggled against some zone coverage looks. But Cleveland only blitzed maybe five or six times. And in passing situations, only, I think three or four blitz situations. They said,

we're going to play zone, especially after they got those picks in the second half or in the second quarter. We're in rush for him play zone. This dude ain't going to beat us. And we ain't going to beat us with his eyes. That's what they basically adjusted to. And the offense struggled. I also think they could to run the ball more, to be honest with you. I think that could have helped DeWay now a little bit throughout the game. So let's go through the positives with Dwayne Haskins progressively. Well, first of all, I want to start. The two touchdowns to Inman were both big time throws.

Yeah. They were both big time throws. The first one I thought was awesome. You know, he's staring it down to Inman. He is. But it's a big time throw and a big, situation. The second inman throws great. I think Inman's the second read there. I think he's looking to Terry McLaurin, which means he's not staring down inman, but his timing in the progression was

perfect to hitch once and then deliver back across the field to Inman. There's a great route by inman. It was kind of a double move on the post. You really stick it to the corner and then back to the post. It's a really good job by Inman to create the timing. That delay not only freezes the corner over there, but it creates that extra half a second for the safety not to get there. It holds them wide. I thought it was a great route. I thought it was a great throw. I thought one of Duane's best throws on the day was down 312.

It was a third and 12 on a corner route to Logan Thomas that they converted. There was pressure in his face. He steps up. He makes a big throw. I thought that was exceptional with Dwayne. Third and eight on the touchdown driving the third quarter. It's a good ball to Logan Thomas, get him a chance to be in a fourth and three. And then maybe one of the bigger plays of the day for Dwayne was just the fourth and three.

Cleveland did bring blitz in the fourth and three. He didn't panic. It looked like he almost wanted to tuck it down. Then he got his eyes right back up and he hits Thomas for first down. And that's a big play. Through that awkwardly from an awkward position. Yeah, it was awkward because he kind of wanted to like, am I getting? No, he's there.

So I thought that was good. A couple of the boot throws I thought were okay. Real quickly on the third and 12 to Logan Thomas, because I wrote this one down as an example to me where it was a completion, but it was not accurately thrown. I mean, Thomas made a really good extension, if I recall, and made the catch on that, on that third and 12. He went to the right spot, but it was not a good throw. Well, he had Miles Garrett in his face on that left side, and Logan Thomas was tight man-to-man coverage. And so that ball had to be out in front of him. If he missed it, he missed the throw by within a foot.

Okay. If I'm Logan Thomas right there running that corner out, I love to be able to extend away from the defender to go get that ball. So I thought it was a good throw. Good catch too. A couple of the boots out to the right. Had a couple good balls. One was to right that was out of bounds.

To me, that's the receiver's got to watch the side. That was on touchdown driving the third quarter. The receiver's got a feel sideline there. I thought Duane sends open. He's rolling right. Good throw. Good throw back across the field on a boot. It's just such an awkward, like his feet in head go forward.

His ass goes back on a jump throw when he's rolling right throwing boot. Right. It's really strange. Like instead of like driving and staying high with his chest out first, he jumps almost feed out, head forward. It's a weird motion. To me, it's not a reliable technique. But I will say this.

Right now on those boot throws, I think he's probably 50-50 on some of those throws. A couple not great. A couple okay. If you're 70% plus throwing that way, I don't care. I don't care what Philip Rivers' throwing motion looks like. Complete balls, you complete balls.

but it to me doesn't seem a reliable motion. That said in this game, it worked a couple times. I thought a huge throw was the OPI on Terry. That was a laser, man. That was bullshit that got called back on OPI. To me, a couple of other good plays. There's a third and five sack in the second quarter. Garrett comes off the edge.

There's nobody open. to me that was a perfect A gap flush. My negative in this, and it seems to be a negative around the league, this was going to be more of my what are you got? How many shirt tackles have we seen this year? A lot where you see that white shirt. Why is that happening? I'm not sure what these guys are wearing.

Like, tuck your shirt into your pants or, like, get a tighter undershirt. If Duane's not wearing that long white shirt, he gets away. He gets the first down. Yeah. I've noticed that too in the first three weeks. We've seen several of those plays. Didn't we see Kyla Marie last week? Wasn't there a...

Yes. Yeah. I've seen at least 15 shirt pull tackles. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't know what's going on there. Like, get a better shirt. I don't care what Duane wears for his undershirt. It's not common that Duane's going to agap scramble and Miles Garrett's going to be strong

enough to pull his shirt. But some of these guys' backs and stuff, You get caught on the edge by one hand and guys are able to pull that shirt. You know what's funny is the technology of shirts, the four thread stuff now is so strong. Like shirts 10 years ago would have just ripped. Right. That shirt, Dwayne's got away 250 pounds. That shirt held a 250 pound man.

He's not 250 anymore, don't you? Didn't you watch his videos from over the summer? Okay. He's got away 230 pounds. No, he's down to 219. It's an average of two, 250-pound men on average. That shirt, I mean, I would buy that shirt. That shirt's never going to rip.

Yeah. A couple of the RPO throws were good. Some of the bubble throws were okay. Like the RPO where you got a bubble, a couple to write. Some of those throws were okay. Those are easy throws. there was one screen early that I thought was a good throwaway. It was really close to an interception.

It looked like it was Ogun Jobi who almost had a pick. But it was to me like, that was a good throwaway screen. There was another screen later we'll talk about. Look, I think Dwayne's still a guy that can operate. I see Dwayne when he makes a couple of these throws as a talented player who can make talented throws. Right. I do see that. But here's the negatives.

Yeah. And I think the negatives are just easiest for me to progressively go throughout the game. It's easiest for everyone to understand instead of go the biggest negatives first and then throughout. I think it's just easiest for me to go throughout this game. Early on a third and 15, he throws a slant to Terry McLaurin that could be a pick. It's a terrible job by Terry. You cross base on slants. It's a cover two look. Terry's got to get in front of the corner's face.

There's another slant inside of him that's coached to just only cross face of the next inside zone defender to create a window. Terry has to get it back underneath. That said, you can't throw that behind. You can't throw that slant behind the corner in front of safety. That never gets caught. You never get that completion. You got to move on. That goes, hey, receiver did the wrong thing.

Next guy. Checkdown. Boom. Move on. That's a pick. Those are not those are risky plays right that's just an incompletion as it goes into the stat book but I didn't like that there's a throw on a run action pass deep out a little bit of pressure in his face to right right is getting walled inside and taking forever to get out to the corner it's man-to-man coverage and so Duane doesn't necessarily think the corner on the outside is going to fall off Gandhi Golden's on his outside running a go ball trying to clear that thing out it's not the fact that I think Denzel Ward just senses pressure, senses ball in the air, and falls off into it. The ball's got to be out quicker or it's got to go somewhere else.

That one can't float. That's a heck of a job. It's a shit route by right. It's a heck of a job blowing that thing up. To me, Wright's getting walled on that thing. Get to number three in progression. He had a dig coming into the backside window. Could have just thrown a 10-yard crosser from the left side.

I'm going to do this because everybody hates this. One of the things I like the most about Kurt Cousins was his ability to get back to the dig at number three. Right. Like how many times he worked out, especially in third down situations, that hard two-man combination didn't like it, hitched across the field, came back to number three on that dig. Like think of all the Pierre Garsohn digs coming across the backside that that dude got. That's what you do on that play. You don't throw a near pick.

You move, you get your checkdown, or you go to number three. third and one on the second drive it's a run play it's a fly sweep this is arbitrary but i think i'm right on this thing it was a great call to terry i i can see dwayne calling out the mike linebacker you're trying to leave the defensive end free on the ball and block both backers to the strong side you'd want to leave the backside backer free away from it he leaves the strong safety down free to terry side. That guy hits it. There's no one there for him. There's no one there to block and that gets blown up. A lot of times it's weird. Like is it the center as the quarterback? Well, I can see Dwayne pointing out the mic. So he, when you count this thing out there, the safety's down, there's a

backer, and then there's another backer. Duane calls the third backer, the last thing I mentioned, Mike. Well, you just re-mic it to the second backer. That treats the safety to the front side as a backer and now our offensive line pushes up to that next guy the safety just left it on block player it's first down again that's a little thing i don't even know if that's how they coached it i'm just i would coach it differently they they did coach it that way right but if you did call it wrong you're going to go back and watch the phone be like what do you what are we doing here when i get terry's head knocked off uh the first interception it's forverts he's trying to get a a ball down the field a single high zone look one safety zone underneath you can't stare it down and when i say that i'm not

just saying you can't you can't stare it down because you want to like you got to move the safety you got to actually see where the safety goes right that single high safety is cutting logan thomas all day it is almost never that i have seen a pick the verts three to one side the inside guy running all the way across the field that that safety gets across the face on the other side of the guy and ends up making a That is a safety that is clearly defined that he is playing Logan Thomas. You work back to the next guy. If you're saying you're not staring it down, then there's no way you didn't see that safety. Because the read is exclusively first off of that safety.

Single high coverage, if you want to work the two middle guys, what is the single high safety doing? If he's moving to the crosser, throw the next seam ball. If you don't like the next seam ball, you throw the checkdown. It was third and long. He was trying to force a ball, and he predetermined where he wanted to go with the ball. Everything here, Kevin told you that the safety is going to cut the crosser. Right. Now, the only way you complete this ball when you predeterminate it is to back shoulder Logan Thomas.

He threw it out in front and over the top of Logan Thomas. Logan doesn't have that speed or jump ability. Now, I've seen it completed. I've seen it completed. Like Drew Breeze to Jimmy Graham used to get this thing all the time. And they just threw it back shoulder. and Jim and Graham used to open his hips up and go get it behind the underneath linebacker. It didn't matter too much if the safety cut it.

The best thing he was going to do is hit him. So if you're going to throw that ball, you better Drew Breeze that ball. Drew Breeze that ball. There's an overthrow and a stream play. The very next play, that's almost an interception. That was like. Horrible. That was like the dad at the carnival that can't win his kid a prize.

That was such a big miss. that's some of it was almost a pick the safety came down if the safety sees it it's a walk-in touchdown pick yeah it's it's the it's the thing that we've talked about it's it's the touch it's really weird that he can't get that ball down to the back he can't just get it over the top i mean it wasn't like a wide open look you got to throw that over a defensive lineman but seriously the second interception by duane in all fairness to duane they ran the exact same concept of out of a different formation, two plays before on first and ten. It was a 10-yard hook on the numbers, a seam clearing the middle of the field, and a flat.

Ran it two plays before. It wasn't good two plays before, they went back to it. Also in all fairness, I think Inman is short on the route, and I think he's too far inside. He's running it from a tight split. You'd like him to get to the outside edge of the numbers and sit that down. That creates a more of a spacing between the seam, who was Logan Thomas, who you're hoping holds the linebacker. You're hoping that seam runs and the linebacker goes, oh, I got to go with this a little bit, and then that hook window's open.

Well, the seam didn't hold the linebacker. And ultimately, you just throw the ball back down to the flat. It's a third down, but you don't throw a pick. And this is, again, where it's like there was one route on that side that had the chance to get the first down. It was the 10-yard hook route that was running. eight yards. It was short and it was too tight inside. And then if not, you only have the flat to throw to. You still, you just have to throw the flat and survive. That's, that would be

where Duane's like, I may be forcing things. I like throwing the ball down the field, but that was covered. Goodson was all over it. It was Goodson, right? Yeah, it was the second pick. Yeah, Goodson was the second one. Malcolm Smith, the last one. So it's a bad pick. And again, if you want to hold Goodson, this is where it's like some next level. The way we always, I've run that play forever. It was one of the first installs in Shanahan and dropback. The seam to Thomas.

Goodson was the last one, my fault. Yeah, I can't remember then who, what backer picked it. So in just defining this without pictures to anybody, it's three guys to a side. The first guy's running through the middle of the field is a scene. You want to hold the backer. and hold the safety so you can throw the hook. Then you're high-loying the hook flat.

So there's a guy running out into the flat at four yards and a hook at 10 to 12, 10 to 12. Not eight, 10 to 12. The way it was always coached was the seam is read as number one, which means the quarterback has to look at the seam. Now there were 10 times that I ran this, well, I personally ran this play, where I felt the scene was wide open,

wide the fuck open. And I never caught that point. ball. They never threw it to me. I'd go back and sit there. I'm one. Throw it. Right. Logan wasn't open, but if he holds his eyes on number one,

the way you should read this play out, the backer who picks it carries the seam. He doesn't get into the hookhole. Duane is looking hard. Hard right. Now, he could say

I'm trying to send, I know I'm not throwing the through or the scene. I'm trying to sense the high, low, but he wasn't. He was just looking at in them. Everything about his body language, eyes, everything he did, told any linebacker in the NFL or in the NCAA to go undercut that ball. So that's conceptually just not read out properly. Right. And to me, it's a pure predetermined look.

there's backside pressure on that play but he didn't feel it he never even thought about keeping his eyes middle he never sensed that backside pressure it's bad pick bad one uh later first half there's a scramble play oh excuse me first play of the second half there's a scramble play to the left it's a run action pass pull up that play and tell me that inman isn't wide open in the middle i'm having an issue with my NFL game pass right now it's not pulling it's down right now. Terry McLoran to his right and then he's got Inman coming across from the left in the middle of the field and then he's got another dig behind Inman outside to the left.

Right. Terry's covered. He's predetermined that he wanted to go to Terry here. He stays with Terry too long. He cannot get off number one. Now, all that said, he should have thrown Terry. Terry was one-on-one on a go ball and the safety was flat-footed and it would have been contested, but he had a one-on-one look to the guy he wanted on.

a go ball. Should have just thrown it. When you don't throw it, hitching gets to number two. What player are you talking about? I got it back up. First play in the second half. It's a scramble play for two yards. Yeah, this was the three and out to start the second half. Yeah, it's not a massively negative play per se because it's a two-yard gain on a scramble. But it should have been a 15-yard gain to Inman in the middle of the field or it should have been a shot ball to tarry on the outside. Both are open. Yeah, but I mean, that's... To your original point, he did once again flush left.

Yeah, I mean, that would be the only scramble left, but there were no... There was one up to middle, and there was one left. It does not run right. People are wide open all over the field on this play. I actually, this was funny, you can go through next-gen stats on NFL, and they'll show you run direction for every player. Like, up until last week, McKissick had only run the ball left. Only left. Why didn't, why didn't Dwayne on this first play of the second half down 177 throw the ball to, is that?

Who lines up in the slot on the left hand side? Is that in? He's wide open. Nobody covers it. That's what I'm telling you, because he gets stuck on number one. But my problem is, is number one is also open. If he throws it, although there's safety help on McLaurin. The safety's in the middle of the field flat-footed.

they're the old if you're even you're leaving concept would apply here right there is no chance that safety gets over the top to make any play on that ball he's held by in if he hits that back foot on the first play of the second half and he throws to his number one read which is mcclorn it might be a touchdown might be a touchdown I'm going to tell you right now you got one worst case scenario in my opinion well obviously worst cases like batted ball pick whatever corner make a great play but true worst cases in completion take a shot you took a shot you took a shot you got Why didn't he take this shot to McLaurin? The safety's flat-footed.

The safety turns in the opposite direction to start with. So McLaren, this is a touchdown. This is a big play. I don't know. I'm telling you it's worst-case in completion. But then if the quarterback just didn't like it for whatever reason, he's going to throw a 15-yarder to Inman, Terry's going to come back and be like, bro, you've got to throw that ball to me.

And he's going to be like, yeah, I know. Well, I'll look at it. But we got Inman, so we still got a good point. play. Yeah, but he... He scrambled left. He scrambled left and got two yards when people... Scramble left, you just pissed off three wide open receivers. That play is the most obvious of him not pulling the trigger, which I don't know, sometimes I think he, that's not his issue. Like, I think he will pull the trigger. He doesn't

pull it here. And this is his first read. If he hits that back foot and he throws the ball and he puts air under it, you know, is that Denzel Ward covering him? I mean, he's got one of the best corners in the game on McClorn, but he's got man coverage with no help. The safety's not going to get there, and you've got a legit shot to get a big play. Right? Nobody, everybody's going to say throw it in the team meeting, right? They're going to say, you've got to throw that. You got to, 17s are best receiver. Throw it. Throw it. Let that sucker fly. So you come back, you get into a third and two situation where he takes a sack. Yeah. And I'm going to spend time on this play.

Okay. It's two by two. So you got two receivers to the right and the stack set. You got tight end and receiver left. On the right, you have a receiver running out into the flat, and I'm pretty sure it's Terry. And then you had the next inside receiver stem inside and run a five-yard hook or a five-yard out route.

Pull it up. Right now, third and two. I'm watching it. Plant, throw, Terry's open in the flat. If you felt that in that man coverage situation, that the corner flush too hard to the flat, that's when you throw the stick, which is also now wide open to Inman

for a two-yard game, a five-yard game. So if you didn't like the flat, progress to Inman. If you don't like Inman, which you should have, he should have liked the flat, he should have liked the stick, then you progress to number three, which is the tight end with the hook on the ball.

Logan Thomas, who's also open. Then if you don't like Logan Thomas, you progress back outside to Sims, who's running a short hook at six yards, just inside the hash or inside the numbers who's also open. This is what is called a across-the-board read. You start on one side and you go one, two, three, four progressively across the board. All the same level throw.

This is the easiest for quarterback to negotiate in most situations. This play to any West Coast team, any West Coast team in football would be called stick spacing. It's run by every team that's effective. It's a billwashed play across the board. This to me is where you denote the line of not operating as quarterback. You have four receivers open on an across-the-board read. Now, Martin gives up a little pressure, but also keep in mind, he's bowled backwards. This is a three-step drop, quick game play. This ball is an out-now ball. Martin's in front. He's just giving up a little pressure.

Shouldn't have pressure here. Ball should have been out. You're missing the two other, I'm not saying you're missing. You haven't mentioned two other opportunities on this play. Is that McKissick? He has four opportunities. Is that McKissick coming out of the backfield? That would be number five.

Because you could throw to McKissick. He's got one-on-one to make somebody missing get a first down. But if he flushes right, he can run easily for the first down. But he does. he never flushes right. And they're playing him. If you look, the DNs crashing inside because he knows he doesn't have to contain Dwayne

on the outside running right. Did you notice that part? I'd up and under off that Moses side every time. Moses is doing a heck of a job blocking this year. But I'd up and under off that side every time. Every time. I'd up and under. I'd force him left.

I'd loop from the backside left and I'd make him step up into that loop. This is the play that you've shown. I've got my NFL game pass back up and running. But this is where I could see coaches and players being very frustrated. The last two plays we've described are too frustrating plays. But this one's hard because everyone's open. And it's third and two, and it's simple to move the sticks here. To anybody.

I mean, maybe you throw the flat and he gets hit right at two and he's got to fall forward or something. It's not a perfect ball. But if you don't throw the flat, just throw number two to Inman, who's running in a five-yard hour out. Boom, boom, boom, right there, number two. Here we go, right in front of your face. Not number two, boom, right across the ball. The number three hook over the ball.

Logan Thomas is sitting there. Logan Thomas got three yards in front of the linebacker. The linebacker's playing them soft. On third and two, I couldn't tell you why. And then, God forbid, if you're progressing one, two, three, four like you didn't like, didn't like quickly, Simmons is wide open on the short hook. And then the worst case, you got your back. This should go like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, ball out. Like out, out.

This is easy. This is easy stuff. Yeah. this is like what I would call if I were a play caller in third and two for like my flag football team. It's a great play. You know, so I don't want to belittle. I don't want to belabor.

But number three is right in front of his face too. But this would also, Cooley, just one more thing on this play. This would explain or this would be, I think, an example of what Ron Rivera talked about the last two days where he's going, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, failing too quickly and he's going through his reeds too quickly and he's not giving an opportunity because if you look, I mean, it's quick. Everything's quick and people are open, but it's like he wants to move on to something that isn't open rather than, I mean, in this particular play, if he just throws it to McLorn, it's a move the sticks first down, no-brainer. And that's number one.

Yeah. Really interesting. Okay. Yep. This isn't a like, you have to see coverage on one side. and say like what side of the field am I going to work? Like this is just to read it out as the play progresses play. This is easy. Yep. I see what you're saying. Okay.

The next drive was a scoring drive, and we went through some of the positives on that play. But after a fumbled exchange, which was not his fault, in my opinion, I thought he had great eyes, great vision, great sense for coverage, just missed Terry in the corner on a second down in whatever, 15, second 10 play. Yeah. Something like that. and just missed him.

I mean, that sense to feel underneath coverage suck up and get Terry over the top was awesome. It also led me to get this sense where I told you that I think he's a guy that really feels comfortable running to his left. I also think he feels way more comfortable throwing to his left and feeling coverage to his left. I think in general, consistently, he's better to the left. He might tell you different.

there's a second in 20 that he ends up getting some pressure. It's a bad ball. But he's sliding into pressure. This is one of those things where this would be the next drive where they have a stun on that side. He's already sliding into that stuff. Like just stay in the pocket. And so again, like this is pocket technique, pocket feel.

Like you don't have to, if the pocket doesn't tell you to slide left, Don't slide left. You don't have to, don't. Because when you slide in the pressure, then you have to make an awkward throw. Right. The 3rd and 15 interception, they're down 2420.

He ends up thrown into Inman on a deep hook. He gets pressure in his face, and he's trying to get it out with anticipation and timing. I'm going to tell you right now, like, Inman should be over the ball on this hook route. You want your insular. inside hook to be create spacing yet inman and then it might be terry on the next hook just outside of him

they want as much width in between them as possible i think inman runs this too vertical but that said he's looking at inman he's not looking at goodson goodson is the zone defender who would be playing in between in between the two hook routes Yeah. All you look at here is the defender. You don't look at your receivers. If the defender moves with the inside hook, throw the outside hook and vice versa. If the defender stays outside with width, then your inside hook will be open.

I mean, if you- Normally on this inside hook, the only time I've seen a pick is when the next backer on the other side, further inside, senses it and falls back into the inside hook. I it's rare that you throw a hook a hook defender where Goodson is it's rare that you see that guy pick it it's good play by Goodson but he's just staring at Edmund

and he's trying to get it out before he gets sacked and so to me again it's like don't force this ball if you don't have time to read out Goodson don't force this ball this to me was one of the it was similar to two or three of the throws

on third down and long to the Philly game where the ball came out so early it's hard to get the ball out that early i mean inman was inman read three more steps at least four more steps before he turned around he wasn't at the sticks yet you got to let the receiver get closer to the sticks before you throw that ball and it's just not read out properly he just forced it uh lastly the sack fumble garrett's awesome okay let's let's not get that wrong but garrett just took it from him he had two hands on the ball you didn't like this

Two hands on the ball. So here's the way I look at this game for Dwayne Haskins. If you wanted massively downgrade turnovers, like if you want to count and for if this is Aaron Rogers or this is a, if this is a quarterback that's played in the league for five years, I do. I want to massively downgrade some of these risk throw turnovers.

Then it's enough. If you want to say learning process, understanding things, trying to grow, getting the ball down the field a little bit, made some good throws in the scumption. game miss some throws that we'd like to have back on some like it's a D for D I'm giving him a D because I just graded turnovers as one play like honest the way I do it

is it's a scale of one to five on every play I gave turnover a zero so you got zero points for one play out of five it ends up grading out as a D if you wanted to say a turnover is counted it as double which theoretically you could do then it would be a little bit different. So it was a D for Dwayne Haskins. Look, ultimately, Kev, I see a guy who's struggling with some accuracy. I think he's struggling with his footwork and his movement in the pocket. I think he continues to throw off his back foot with his hips way too open

and out of awkward throwing positions, which, by the way, I understand his arm strength allows him the ability to do. He's capable of getting enough on the ball out of any position. But I think that's hurting his accuracy. and in this particular game, I do think he wanted to get the ball down the field a little bit, and I think he forced a couple throws when he maybe shouldn't force those throws. I think he's predetermining number one way too many times in this game,

which means he's staring down number one, and ultimately made some mistakes that if you're reading coverage out, he doesn't make it. Yeah, I think that the one thing that's clear is when he said on Sunday that he wasn't staring, guys down. That's not true. You can see it more than anything in that final interception where he never, never comes off inman and just completely stares him down to the point where the linebacker's just like, you're actually going to throw it here. You're looking at me and him, and you're going to

throw it here, and he never looked in another direction. And that's why he Goodson collapsed so hard on that play. He should have just been staring at the space in between the two receivers, because that's essentially you want to fill space. Right. And trust, as I saw Anders you can say, Haskins with, they'll be where they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be there. All right. Let's rip through skill position players and offensive line right after I tell you about

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Here we go, Cav, the skill players. We're going to rip through per your request, but it's also on you, because you got to let me rip through them, man. You got it. I mean, you struggle with that in a big way. I like to use my timeouts. You do, you want to say you have three timeouts here? No, I don't.

The first half will be the skill players. The second half will be the offensive line. We'll give you three timeouts in each half. want three timeouts. I'll take one time out per half. Okay. Well, if you need to save time at the end of the half, then don't be afraid of you. I'll save my questions for the end. Okay. Terry McLaurin. The positives is what everybody sees from from Terry. His subtle yet explosive run after the catch is awesome. I mean, you see it consistently in every single game. His yards after the catch are amazing. There's a slip screen that he has in the second half

and it's just like, boop, poop, up the field. He's got it, man. You've got to get Terry more touches to me. You've got to get more touches in and around the line of scrimmage. The fly sweep that he ends up getting the first down. I mean, he's just got to burst to him. Great ball adjustment on a quick out, run after the catch is explosive.

Fly sweep, I said, huge. Third and ten, he's running a little cross around. Got a great pick from Logan Thomas immediately up the field. gaining ground on his crosser, good catch, in stride, up to fill. It's a big time. I thought the OPI call on Terry went through is an absolute insanity. To me, that was a hell of a route and a big time play in the game. So bull crap there. The bust early in a third and 15, he runs behind the corner on a slant route. No one's going to count this or understand this as a bust if you don't understand this actual concept. To me, you go behind the corner and you're just, you're doing

two things. You're begging the quarterback not to throw you the ball or you're asking the quarterback to throw a potential interception. That was a, that was a missed assignment if I'm coaching that ball club. It was. Okay. It is what it is. I think he's got the explosiveness to get down the field, but I'm not sure if he lacks that true. Like this was one of those games where I keep saying like Terry's a Z, not an X, which would make him in theory the two receiver. They're both ones, but he's a Z, not an X. Like one of the first plays of the game, Dwayne takes a shot over the top. It's a hook and go.

Like he's trying to hook and go. He doesn't have that patience on some of those double moves. He kind of stutters and turn, rotates his hips back a little bit, but the corner never bites. Like you've got to find ways to get down the field and separate. Like he doesn't have that true inline explosive speed to just run by guys on scene balls,

which we've talked about the one that the first play of the second half where you could have thrown it, but he's not by the corner. he's not running by the corner. Right. So he is a route runner. He doesn't necessarily, and in this game especially, it was Denzo Ward. I get it.

But have that knack to just run by somebody. And he doesn't have that. It's a run action double move kind of really sell it and create true separation. His separation is subtle. And he's quick out of his brakes, especially on the underneath stuff. But some of his down the field stuff, it's like we need to be more open. if we want to be the true X. I still think he's awesome.

He was a B in this game. I just want to mention this really quick. You'd have to look up the receivers coach. I thought every one of these receivers blocked their ass off all game. Okay. I did. I thought downfield screens, run plays. I thought they did a great job blocking.

So a big compliment to that group and to that position coach for having their guys get after it. They looked out for each other. I thought they stayed on DBs. I thought they blocked well. And I'm saying that as I get to Inman because I literally... Jim Hostler is the wide receivers coach. Jim Hostler. Good job, Tim Hostler. Jim.

Good job. I gave Inman like the phony. I've never given this before, Hard Hat Award. What is that? Because he had a couple big time touchdown catches, but I thought he blocked his balls off. So I was impressed by Inman's ability to get on DBS and stay on DBSs in a lot of different situations.

one of the first little bubbles to write he had a pancake block on a DB like I'm gonna I'm counting that in the film breakdown I'm writing that down the first touchdown it's a good job on a dig to go up and get a high ball I thought the penalty was egregious

I know that he flexed on the dude but Harrison or Sendejo hit him late to me that's an offsetting if anything the double route on the touchdown the second touchdown, like the card stick to the corner and then staying skinny to the post, giving a good window to Duane. That was a really good route.

Like, to me, I want to run that concept a lot of ways, especially in the Red Zone. It's great Red Zone concept. I would pull that clip and I would coach off of that. That's, it was a really good job. Some of the negatives from Enman. The interception thrown at Inman, the first one, The first interception, I thought he was short on the route and I thought he was too tight on the inside on the route and you can get patience to press it deep. We're trying to high low a defender. You got to get enough width and depth. It's all about zone and spacing in there and he did not have enough width or depth.

Now, theoretically, the quarterback just shouldn't throw the ball, but not a good route. The second interception, I thought poor route distribution. I'm going to say that because that's how I would say it. I think you need to be further inside on the inside hook route to the sticks, but they might coach it on the hash. So, you know, I don't know exactly what they're doing. And then late in the game, this is almost forgotten, but he had a fumble that Sims recovered. Right.

Inman played 45 plays. He was a B plus. Sims Jr. played 23 plays. I have one note. Great fumble recovery in the fourth quarter on the Inman fumble. I don't know how Sims doesn't get more balls or more looks. He was unnoticed in this game. I did not grade Sims.

I don't, he's a C. It wasn't bad. It wasn't good. He was out there for 20. So a C, not a no grade. Yeah, I mean, give him a C. You know, you don't show up. We can give him an incomplete.

No, it's not incomplete. You don't show up good or bad. And it's a C. Okay. I actually had one note on Sims Jr. From special teams from actually watching the game live. I don't know if he has a great sense for punt returns. No, I don't either.

There was one that he let bounce. there's one. He's not, I think he's more explosive as a runner in the open field, but he had an okay return in the second half. But I'm just, fumble last week on a return. Like, I'm not sure on Sims on returns just yet. I'm not sure. It's just funny because there are certain things that he does that other players can't do.

But there were things like when Trey Quinn was in there last year, all the plays that he wouldn't let bounce or all the little things, the subtle little things running away from the ball instead of, instead of catching it on the seven on a fair catch, like lure defenders away from you there, so they can't down it. They're just little subtle things that I think he has to learn.

Got it. Now, he's a better one with the balls in his hands than Quinn. We're not going to debate that in any way, shape, or form, but it's just some of the situational stuff. It's in question a bit. Right. Wright stepped in and had some plays. I mean, who is right?

Isaiah Wright. Where's number 83? played 29 plays in this game. He did quite a few touches as well. Wright did. A couple of those little bubble plays that he had. I thought he did a pretty good job running with the ball in his hands. A reverse where he makes a guy miss.

Good job. By right on the edge there, that play was called back. That was crap. The bad on right. The first interception, or the first near interception by Ward, shitty route, gets walled inside. It takes way too long, getting down the field. and Duane's got to come off of it, but not good route.

That said, heck of a job to save the play. Yeah, he did save it. Heck of a job to stay with it. And then a catch out of bounds on the touchdown drive in the third quarter. He's initially in a fly sweep motion and he's arcing towards the sideline. As you're drifting towards the sideline, you damn well better know where the sideline is. Wright was a C plus in this game. Logan Thomas, 55 plays.

made a couple good catches in this game. Contested catch early on an RPO throw, one of the first plays of the game, just a little nudge to create some separation. Nice using his body, nice contested. Terry McLaren on a third and ten heck of a pick to get Terry open on a shallow cross. A third and eight, two plays back to back were huge. The third and eight on the stick route by Logan Thomas to get them down to a fourth and three. Really good job getting depth on the stick route,

but then coming back downhill friendly to the quarterback to allow him. him a window to throw the football. And then staying with it on the fourth down play was huge. And then last positive, that catch on third and 12 was a good job by Logan Thomas. It's not huge separation, but it's a good speed cut break out of the top. It's good getting depth on that corner route to making sure that you're getting the first down. And that was a huge play, diving out there to give them a chance to stay in that ball game. Great, great catch. He had a drop on a second and 15. It was a bad ball on the back hip. We didn't talk about this with Duane, it wasn't, had enough negative.

On his back hip, it still hit his hands. You've got to come up with that thing. Second 15 can get you to third and 10, even if you just come up with that. That would be big. And then he dropped a little quick out route on a first and 10 late in the ball game. It was contested, but dropped it. Logan's like one of those guys that's on guys in the run game. He's just not winning blocks in the run game.

he's not necessarily losing or he's not necessarily getting his ass kick. It's also interesting, like they run the ball like a college team more time than not. So many plays out of gun. Somebody plays with a tight end really has no impact in the run game. Logan Thomas was a C plus in this game. Logan's just one of those guys that can't win one-on-one. He did on the third and 12, but to me he's just one of those guys that just doesn't have a natural separation ability. Like the change of speed, the subtleness, none of that stuff's there yet for Logan Thomas.

when it's not there, it's not going to be there. You know exactly what he is. He's a guy that can stretch the field a little bit. You know, you'd love to see on the interception down the field to Logan Thomas that the ball gives Logan a chance to open his hips and go up and get that thing. But, you know, you'd love to see a couple more of those. I still think he's learning the game. I do.

I still think he's learning to play tight end in this league. But right now, he's doing a good enough job. for them to have a chance. Right. McKissick. I really do like McKissick. I suggested to you last week after the film breakdown and again on Friday that they get the running backs more involved in third down situations. He had two big catches in third down situations.

A little stick out early in the game. Great separation, good run after the catch. Dynamic backs are super important to me and I see McKissick as a dynamic back. Good blitz pickups throughout the game. At times having to come all the way across the formation, get blitzers off the side he's not on. I thought he was consistent in that. Third and six, he runs a little crossing route. Big finish after the play does a really good job.

He's just, to me, he's shifting between the tackles when he's running the ball. He's a good receiver from any spot. I think you've got to get more Kisick. More touches, Kev. To me, that's the thing with McKissick is, like, are we going to vary touches in any given way, or are we going to say a running back's a running back? That's kind of where I'm sitting here looking at this thing, because I just don't think that when you're better,

players is going to end up with five carries for 15 yards and what three catches right four targets I agree I think McKessick's got to be more involved in the game plan because I think right now he's as reliable as a player as anybody offensively besides Terry and in their right there hand in hand as reliable players for this team and I know to just again like there's a first and 20 after the Terry OPI. It's a five-yard gain out of nothing by McKissick. It was a poorly blocked play. It was tough against the front that they were in.

It gets five yards. For a little guy, he can make something out of nothing. So I like McKissick. I thought McKissick was an A-minus in this game. Gibson. Gibson's got some flashes, man. Like, when he gets a ball in his hands, he's got some power to him.

He's a physical runner. You get him downhill in between the tackles. And he can make some place. Like, to me, he's got a pretty good sense inside. I did know, like, one of the first inside zones, you can push a hole, have a little bit more patience. And I think I've noted this a couple times early from Gibson that maybe last week, he could have cut it back when he pushed too hard outside.

This week early could have probably pushed harder outside, then cut back. But then as the game progresses, it's like he does start to get a pretty good feel. I thought the touchdown run from three yards out was really awesome. I did. I thought jump cut at the end of the first half. He makes two miss. He bounces out nine yards above what I think would be expected. Another good play at the end of the first half that ends up resulting in a fumble.

Not not the best, but you see some bursts from him with his ability to just hit it up in there. A third and four late in the game where he gets great interior push. He gets behind his offensive line. He runs with power. my question for Gibson is when he gets out lateral a little bit can you make a guy miss one-on-one like at times you'd like to see him be able to make a guy miss he gets out to that sideline and he almost always cuts back immediately you'd like to see him we'll have a little more patience as a receiver did a better job catching the ball there was one throw way out in front of him

that he ended up going down and catching and get the four-yard gain out of nothing the other negative the fumbled handoff could have been a disaster and I think that is Gibson right there. Oh, you thought that was on Gibson? I do. I do think it was on Gibson. That's between Duane and Gibson on exactly what happened there, but I think I got Gibbs like to me and sure the handoff. You know what I'm saying? You just looked like Dwayne stuck it in there and just dropped it. Yeah, that's yeah, stuck it right in there and it didn't stick. Okay. I thought Gibson was a C plus in this game. He ended up having nine carries for 49 yards. Yeah. Touchdown rushing the ball. You know, he had three receptions on three targets for 11 yards.

Again, I would love to see Gibson played receiver at Memphis a lot. Gibson can run some rounds. I would love to see some, like, third down, three receivers. You got McKissick and Gibson in the backfield. Utilize one of them in motion and one of them on an option route out of the backfield, one of them running a real route, getting it out of the backfield. I think there are some more two back sets with these guys. that they just they could get to and they haven't got to.

Like to me, I would rather have McKissick and Gibson in the game than Baugh. Like I would rather add one of those players than put Baugh or sprinkle on the field. Right. That's just me. I think some dynamic runs where you could go with some misdirection, like fake inside to Gibson, counter to McKissick. I think that there's some creativity that they're lacking with those two backs. Now, I'm saying that I do believe that Turner did a pretty job. managing the game plan. But I do think if you want to say, who are your five best players right now?

I think you say Terry McLauran and then McKissick and then probably Gibson Inman at 3-4. Your goal is to have your five best players on the field. So find ways to get five- players. Gibson and McKissick, they'll spread McKissick out more than Gibson. They're rarely on the field at the same time. Unless they're in the backfield at the same time. But they're rarely. I mean, how many, I didn't count plays that they were in the back field at the same time, but how many plays were on the, they on the field at the same time? I don't know. I think the most they were on the field in the back field at the same time may have been in week one.

Yeah. So Gibson ends up with 25 total plays. McKissick ends up with 34 total plays. You ran 64 total plays. Just a thought on that is all it is. Gandy Golden played 18 plays quickly. The fly sweep was pretty awesome. him if you watch that fly sweep.

What was Gibson's grade? I'm sorry. Gibson was a C plus in this game. Okay. I just, two potential, a turnover and another real potential turnover. Bax can't turn ball. Bax can't put ball on the ground. Gandy Golden, 18 plays.

This would be quick. A couple good blocks. He had a drop on a bootleg in the third quarter. He's not supposed to drop the ball, right? He's supposed to have, like, great hands. Not a great throw, though. Yeah, it was. It was a good throw.

He was right out in front of him. Oh, I'm talking about the one that was super low that got caught and then got overturned. No, I thought it was a good throw. Okay. I actually didn't note that in Duane. That ball's got to be caught. If he just reaches out and grabs it, we're going to say good throw. It was out in front of him by a foot and maybe a half a foot low.

Really? Dwayne rolling right. Awkward looking throw, but that's a catch. To me, that's a pure drop. Duane did have maybe three drops in this game. the play I just thought was funny. The fly sweep. I love the fly sweep to Gandy Golden.

It ends up being a big play. Yeah, 22 yards. He gets about 10, 12 yards downfield and start stiff arming air. Pulls the stiff arm down, it just gets blown up. Yeah, he did. If you watch that play, if you want to go back and watch that play, about 12 yards downfield his right arm, he's stiff arm and no one. Like, come on, come on.

Then he kind of pulls it down and bam, takes a shot on the sideline. Gandy Golden was a C in this game. Sprinkle played six plays. The couple of plays he was in, he was better. Six plays doesn't end up getting a grade. I'm not going to grade Baugh either. Really nothing to say with Baugh or Sprinkle, but nothing negative either. You ready for the offensive line?

I am. Okay. This is easy for people to do. I want everyone to know, this is easy for people to do when a quarterback throws picks and when quarterback's not playing, well, it's the offensive line's fault, especially when the offensive line consists of guys like Jerome Christian, West Martin, Wes Switzer, and Chase Rui. It is easy to do to say that they didn't play good, play well.

They did as a group. To me, there was only seven total pressures in this ball game. When they ran the ball, I thought there was some good push up front. There were some good things that they did up front. Let's start with Christian. The negatives, still too soft on the edge as a run blocker at his side. Go. Like, you're athletic.

Go. You got to go. He's sizing it up too much, a little bit too soft. You know, turn his ass immediately in the whole one. It's his side. Now, also keep in mind a couple of these with Christian. Like, you should almost grade this on the curve because a lot of it was Miles Garrett. Of course.

If you get a C plus and it's Miles Garrett, it's really an A minus. Okay. Well, you can give him the A minus, but go ahead. The third and five gave him a sack to the dude, to the dude on a no chance play. There was a third and five sack that Dwayne had to pull it down. Nobody open. Yeah. That was just that one sack that Gary got.

That was a no chance play. Third and 15, the interception by Duane on third and 15. It's a short edge, gives up a quarterback hit, gives up the sack, fumble, wait. I wanted to note one thing, though, and this goes back to kind of my initial comment. With offensive line and quarterback, the first play of the second half. We went through this a bunch of times where it's a run action pass and Duane could have hit Terry and then could have hit in. Go back and watch this play. Garrett ends up really bull rushing Christian back a little bit.

But Christian stays with this block. He gets itself square and he stays with it throughout the entire play and he doesn't hold and he at least allows a scramble around the edge for two yards. It's not awesome immediately, but this is Miles Garrett and he stayed with the play all day. There were so many plays that Christian gets pushed back three or four yards by Garrett. but he's with the block. Yeah. This was not a game that Miles Garrett took over.

Right. Miles Garrett did not win the Cleveland Browns this game. And when you say that's the best player on the field for Cleveland, you didn't see it. When you watch film, this would not be a game that Miles Garrett would send in to anybody. I'm not saying that Garrett didn't play well. But I'm saying that Christian and Moses, when they had to block him, did a pretty good job.

You give up two or three pressures or three pressures. ultimately, I guess it would be two sacks because one we pulled the jersey down on Duane where Duane tried to flush up. But I thought Christian played pretty well. I mean, I graded him a C plus, but it was Miles Garrett. So take it with a grain of salt.

West Martin in this ballgame was a B-minus. West is a pretty consistent player. I'd like to see Wes, again, like I mentioned Christian, run game go a little bit faster. I mean, it's like slow and sure, make sure I'm good. Okay, we'll take off. West Martin also had his hands full. Like Ogun Jobie's a really, really explosive, big time player inside. Good player. Good player. There was one play where Ogun Joby ends up getting a five-yard tackle for loss and it looks like he just, I mean, obviously he did blow up Rui-A, but they're double-teaming Ogun Joby right there. And West Martin, like, we always joke,

this was the joke. When you, Wes Martin's supposed to post with his right arm. Ogen Jobi's just inside of him. Wes is obviously on the left. You're supposed to post, turn that guy's shoulder and hand him off to the guy coming, which would be the center.

So you give him a chance. What you're not supposed to do is throw a limp dick out there. And that's what he did? Don't throw a limp dick out there. Yeah. Sounds like a bugle. That sounds like a bugle thing. You know what?

It probably was. Hey, come on, Stud. Come on, Stud. Don't throw a lump dick out there, Stud. Come on, come on, my host. The great late Joe Bugle. The penalty on Martin, we're not even going to say it was a penalty. Because it wasn't, people are going to downgrade him for that,

but we're not even going to say that was a penalty. It's not a penalty. And again, consistently, although getting bowed back sometimes in allowing some pressures, found a way to stay square and stay in front of his guy. Chase Ruey. As a past defender, awesome in this game. I thought Ruey did a really good job, not giving up pressure, helping where he needed to help on the interior.

I think he's pretty good run block player. He's never going to be a guy that blows people off the ball. But when you look across the league, there's not a ton of centers that are going to be guys that just blow people up. the centers are usually in this league other than the best five guards that converted because they didn't have the power of guard that that's ruye he's consistent at center i thought ruii was a b in this ballgame she takes me over to west switzer uh switzer has some plays swissor's got a little bit of a mean streak to him and he's got some toughness to him he's just got slow feet um a couple of plays in this game you're like west wiser getting after it man

but then lose blocks late. With Switzer in this game and some of the last game, I'd say finish blocks a little bit better. To me, again, pretty good in the past game. I thought Whitzer did a pretty good job in the past game. He was more effective as a run blocker, but not bad in the past game. It's just slow feet.

So you get a stunt to his side. So there's a detackle over the top of Switzer. And that tackle right over him goes outside, towards Moses. His job is to hand him off to Moses, but then flatten out and stay square so the defensive end looping back can't get inside penetration.

He knows what he's doing. His feet are just not quick enough to pass it back off, so he gives up a couple interior pressures in the ball game. I thought Switzer was, to me, like an A minus in the run game, a C plus in the past game.

I gave him a B minus in this game. Okay. And then lastly, Morgan Moses. Yeah. Morgan Moses is as good as anybody getting into this game. I really, it's nice when you go through a game and you go through your notes and you go through Morgan Moses and I'm like, other than a couple pressures by the dude, I think you know who I mean. Garrett. Consistent sustain, consistent stay square in the run game, consistent finish and blocks, no penalties.

It's not holding. it looks like a great right tackle right now. I thought Morgan Moses was an A. Wow. You've given him, I was just looking at the grades. Week one, you gave Moses an A-minus. Last week he gave him a B-plus, but he was the highest graded offensive lineman.

And then this week you've got him in an A. I mean, you really like the season Moses is having so far. And now everybody, keep in mind, like last season, Moses was consistently my lowest graded offensive. He was also banged up consistently all last year. And I was concerned about his hip this week and missing a little bit of practice. And if they were going to bring Miles Garrett off his side of a ton, I think I remember telling you, though, like Miles Garrett will rush anywhere.

And they normally try to put Miles Garrett on the weakest link. And so there was not a ton of rushes by Garrett over Moses. There was plenty. Right. You just don't, like, it's really nice to finish. play when you're watching film and just see a guy on a guy, especially in the past game. I'm like, oh, he's on his guy. Cool. All right. Highest graded players offensively, Moses and A, McKissick, and A-minus. I have one question, just one as a follow. By the way, no timeouts on

your part. I really good. I really wanted you to get through it without major interruptions. But I think your discussion about Terry McLorn was very interesting. And I went back and looked at a couple of the deep shots. And you're really are so spot on. It's a very, very interesting observation because I think most of our fans believe that Terry McLaren is an A-plus receiver. Like he could potentially be an elite receiver. And what you said seems to be true when I'm watching it. And I even went back and watched some plays last week in the week before, even on the ball that I thought he could catch last week on the deep shot down the near sideline. He does not get on deep balls in the long game, in the deep game. He does not get great separation.

You know, he's got... Almost never. Yeah, he's got four-three speed, or at least that's what his 40 time was coming out of Ohio State. But he's not where a corner is like so fearful that he's going to run by a corner and get great separation. Where he gets great separation are in some of these matchups where they worked him in the slot against a linebacker and, you know, and in some of the crossing routes, which, you know, there's some stuff going on. There's some traffic, you know, and he gets lost there. And I think, by the way, after he has the ball in his hands, and I mentioned this yesterday,

I think there's a real effortless way in which he runs after the catch that I really enjoy. Like, it's not electrifying, but it is production. Like, he's pulling away from people. He's making people miss. But as a deep receiver, just a straight nine route, as you might say, He doesn't, look, he's got Denzel Ward on him. He's got a great corner on him. But I went back last week. He's not getting like incredible separation. However, remember last year, early in the year when Case Keenham was quarterbacking, think about the opener, how much separation he created on deep balls against the Eagles in the opener. So I guess that would be an argument to say, well, you can get him deep and he will get separation deep. But I don't know what the difference is. If you go through this year, it's not like, on these long throws to McLorne,

McCloren's like wide open and has created a ton of separation. Now it could be because the last two weeks Denzel Ward and Patrick Peterson. That could be the reason for that. And safety help. And safety help. And attention. Which is one of those things where it's like maybe

so you really talk about like is Terry an X or a Z. What is he? And a Z like Terry's as good as Z as it gets in this league if there's an X who scares people. So I'm not saying anything truly negative about Terry when I say this.

I just don't know if he's a guy that consistently can get over the top. I also don't know if he tracks the ball as well as a lot of people down the field. Yeah. Look at a couple games ago where he had the wayne through a great ball over his shoulder outside and it's like there are guys that just always come up with that ball. I'm just going back to the Philadelphia games.

So in three games, he has faced Slay, he's faced Peterson, and he's faced Denzel Ward much of the time. The plays in which he's getting big plays on, I haven't audited every single catch. But I know from Sunday there were some really good matchups that Turner created with formation. You mentioned empty set and him in the slot where they got a linebacker over him. and, you know, we have not seen yet. Correct me if I'm wrong. Have we seen a big 40-plus yard McLaurin catch this year? I'm talking about deep downfield.

Well, have we seen any? Yeah. He had a 30- No, I mean, not in a rude way. Like, I don't know if we've seen any deep-downfield catches by this team at all, anything over 25 yards. So, no, I don't think we have seen a deep catch. I mean, it's just...

The other thing that to me speaks to it a little bit is in almost every game, there's a point where you sit there as a general fan and go, they have to double him. They got to do something here. Out of three weeks in a row, nobody's doubled it. Right. Because they don't fear him getting over the top. They're saying he's going to catch a seven yards stunt.

We got it. We have to tackle. It's not, we can't cover this guy. it's we have to tackle this guy. Yeah. To me, that's a Z. Right. And Terry is a Z that could be like C.D. Lamb or whatever in Dallas, where you have any,

you have any week where you could have nine receptions for 180 yards. And if it's Terry, you'd have 90 of them after the catch. But you need the X. They knew that. They tried to get. get that. Yeah, they tried to get Amari Cooper. It's a great point. It's why they offered Amari Cooper an outrageous sum of money because they view Terry more as a Z, not an X. For those that don't know, they view them more as a number as a great number two, not an elite

number one. It doesn't mean that you can't have elite games, and it doesn't mean that he's not a really good player because he is. But when watching, Coley's right, there's not a lot of concentration on doubling him. There's not a lot of fear of him beating you over the top. I'm trying to go back and find the game, the Eagles game last year from the opener. That's when. Now, I'm not suggesting that he won't get over the top in this season. It's just, you're not going to see him over the top five times in the game wide open. Yeah, and that's just not who he is. And again, like, please don't construe this as we neither Kevin, like, we both think he's a great player.

And he's the best weapon you have on offense. It's just what is he if you had a true X? Because now Terry becomes a massive problem for defenses. Oh, man. Well, he also becomes easier to get matchups. And so you said the Philly game, I think it was the Philly game at home where he got over the top, too, for a huge. huge play. It's a third round rookie receiver at that point. At this point, it's Terry McLaurin, the best weapon that Washington has. So our one corner will always cover it. And let's not minimize

Darius Slay, Patrick Peterson, Denzel Ward in the first three weeks. And look at his stats on that. Yeah, pretty damn impressive. No, pretty damn impressive. It's just look at his run after the catch stats. And that's where all the shots are from. Yeah. And then this week, obviously, a really good. defense and he's going to face either Marcus Peters or Marlon Humphrey. Both really good corners. So it's going to be a while it would appear before he gets like a matchup where somebody can't run with him. Right? Because it's who do they play after the Ravens? Do they play the Rams after the Ravens? So he'll have Jalen Ramsey after that. I mean, seriously, they've started with some teams with some really good corners.

All right, great job. Defensive film breakdown tomorrow. Everybody have a great day.