The Kevin Sheehan Show - Rooting Against Eagles, For Name Change

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

Kevin and Thom opened with thoughts on tragic plane crash last night in DC at Reagan National Airport. Kevin talked about whether he'll root against the Eagles in the Super Bowl. The boys talked "name-change" for a bit and closed with the allegations against Ravens' kicker Justin Tucker.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Call them at 86690 Nation or head towindonation.com. A really, really sad night here in the DMV. And for, you know, people all over, obviously. It was the story. The plane crash. at Reagan National last night just over the Potomac River as that plane from Wichita was coming in on its final descent. Just Buck explained it to me this morning, 10 seconds max away from landing. I say Buck because you know this, not everybody listening knows this, but Steve Buckhantz, yes,

one of the greatest play-by-play voices in the history of our town in the NBA is also a pilot and an aviation expert. And so all of us that know Buck were texting him all last night. You know, what does he think? And he came on radio with me today for 45 minutes and was phenomenal in sort of explaining it. You know, he knows the airport inside and out and knows, you know, everything about what happened last night. I'd urge you actually, if you're interested, Buck was so good, the team 980.com. But such a sad night and tragic night. and yeah, it's one of those days, Tommy.

How did you hear about it? Well, I heard about on social media, and one of the first things I saw, the way I heard about it was seeing the video. Yeah. You know, I guess the airport cam showed, you know, showed it actually happening, you know, in the dark of night.

You could see these lights. you know, converging onto each other, and then you see the explosion. And it was just like watching the key bridge collapse. Right. Like we did. We're in such a video age that, you know, something like that gets captured. And that's how I found out about it, was seeing the video. And it did it.

My heart just sank. I felt a sick feeling in my stomach. You know, this is, this is home for everyone, not just the person. tragedy of the people who have suffered from this and their family members. But the fear that we all have hidden of something like this happened into us, because we fly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when these things happen and they haven't happened recently, I didn't know until last night

that there hadn't been a commercial crash in 16 years since 2009. 16 years. I didn't know that. You know, because you still hear about them in other areas of the world, especially on social media. Yeah, you know, I watched Maryland beat Wisconsin last night. The game was over, and my son just said to me, are you seeing this plane crash at Reagan? I'm like, what are you talking about? So I immediately flipped on, you know, cable news, CNN, and I started flipping around and then going to the local stations.

And I find it interesting, and maybe you have an opinion on this. it was easily 10 minutes, if not 15 minutes after Twitter was blowing up with the news and the video before TV broke in with the breaking news. I would assume it's, you know, nobody's 100% in their ability to be truthful or factual anymore, but it's certainly more truthful and factual than social media, so maybe they've got higher standards in terms of going to it live and breaking in with the breaking story. But it was a while before everybody started breaking in with the news. I don't know if you noticed that or not, if you were going, you know,

if you were looking for it on TV after seeing it on social media. But, you know, they finally got to it. Did you include CNN in that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Really? Well, I went immediately to CNN, Fox. MSNBC, the major cable news outlets.

But then I went to local, you know, local channel 4 or 5, 7, 9 to see, because it was a local story. If they had anything. And look, I could be wrong and it may have been just exaggerated in my mind in the moment because we were both sitting there. My son Corbin and I were sitting there and Kara was with us and we're like, why don't they have it yet?

Why haven't they broken in? And I think it was every bit of 10 to 15 minutes. and Twitter was already showing, you know, 23, 24 minutes ago that the video of the crash was posted. I would think, don't you think that there's an easy call to somebody in transportation, somebody at the airport, you know, for especially our local people to confirm it, you know, I don't know. You know, I don't know how the business works. I don't know what the protocol is at local TV to break into network. programming with the breaking news. You know, I would suspect not necessarily at CNN, but on local TV, just like local

newspapers and local news outlets, you know, they have diminished staff than they used to have, you know, and who are the decision makers that make these decisions? Well, you have a news desk. You have a news desk. You have an assignment desk. You have somebody sitting. I worked at a television station many, many years ago. That's 30 years ago.

I understand. That's my point. My point is, you know, news budgets are not nearly what they used to be, okay? And neither are the experience the level of experience for people in those newsrooms. I'm just spitballing possibilities here as to why something like that could take so long. But that doesn't excuse CNN or Fox. This is their business, you know, that this is what they're supposed to be. This is why you have a 24-hour news cycle to be able to be able to react.

Well, social media was way ahead. Social media was way ahead. The Internet was way ahead of the major cable news networks. I mean, look, I was just more curious than anything else as to why. Because I can't imagine no matter how much these departments have been cut back, that somebody at CNN or at Fox or even at Channel 4 locally wasn't saying, are you guys seeing this? Are you seeing this? We got to get somebody out there. We got to confirm this. We got to break in. There's been a plane crash in our city at Reagan National. I can't imagine that they didn't know it. To me, it makes more sense that they were just making sure that it wasn't, you know, in internet or social media hoax. You know, you don't know these days when you see something on social media. Don't know. Don't know. videos are real and what aren't. But that video, the funny thing about the video, nothing's funny.

The interesting thing about the video is that when I first saw it, my son saw it, he's like, look at the video. I was looking at the plane that was taking off. It was, you know, it took a while to see the chopper and the jet, you know, collide. It's awful, obviously. And look, you haven't been here for a few weeks. it has been brutally cold here, like we've talked about. I mean, for about five, four or five weeks straight,

we've had nothing but basically, you know, super cold temperatures. I mean, it got up to 37 over the weekend, I think it was, on Sunday, and it felt like it was 60. Now, yesterday was the first legit warm day. I think it was 50 degrees yesterday. And so, like Tommy, driving, you know, by, on Sunday, I went out to get stuff for the game, food and stuff for the game. And everybody's skating on the canal.

The river's completely frozen. Yeah, I know. You know. I see a lot of pictures of people ice skating on frozen lakes and stuff all around the area. So just the idea of, I mean... And which is something that hasn't happened recently. It hasn't happened recently. It hasn't.

Yeah. And so... Look, there were a couple of things. Number one, when I saw the video, I mean, I was waiting for, and I thought it took a while. I don't know why it took so long for, they identified the actual flight, the origination, Wichita, and they didn't tell us how many passengers were on board for a while. I mean, I would bet that it was at least an hour and a half minimum until we found out how many passengers were on board. and, you know, they had experts on saying how many seats are on those planes, typically somewhere between 60 and 90.

And, you know, we've all been on those planes before. You know, they're two and two usually. And if they're packed, I guess it was packed with 60 last night. But I didn't think, you know, it's my wife, me and my son and his girlfriend were talking. I'm like, there's no way anybody could have survived that. Long before the, you know, official word came in that there were no survivors, that's a midair collision. And then it's going into the river where, yeah, and so sadly there weren't any survivors. Now, I wasn't here for the Air Florida crash.

That's a year before I moved to Washington. Were you in Tennessee then? Yeah, and I wanted to mention that. That's right. You wouldn't have been here. I'm assuming you still remember it. Yes. Oh, yeah. It was very big news. Very vivid memories of the story of Lenny Scottnick. Lenny Skutnik.

Lenny Scutnik, going into the river to save people. Yeah, that was a very vivid national story. But I was in Pennsylvania at the time. So, by the way, Buck on the radio today reminded me that Lenny Scutnik and his sister were friends of his in high school. Buckn knows everybody. Of course. Lenny Scutnik was, for those of you who don't remember,

the guy that literally from the banks of the Potomac River jumped in to save one of the surviving passengers. There were five passengers from that flight from Air Florida Flight 90 that survived. 74 died in that crash. That crash, by the way, was very significant in changing de-icing, procedures. The whole de-icing procedure on icy, snowy days changed. That was the reason the plane crashed. The wings were too heavy with ice build-up because they had been de-iced at the gate, but they weren't de-iced as they taxied towards the runway, and it was too long that they were on,

that they were taxing to take off. Anyway, I remember exactly where I was on that day. I was in high school. My high school girlfriend, we were off of school that day. Tommy, I went to her house, and I got there by hitchhiking to her house because I didn't have a car. A lot of my friends had cars, but nobody was out driving that day. Wait a minute. You didn't have a car. What about the car you bought when you were 12 years old? Well, I wasn't 12. We were 14. That's a completely different story. We had that car for the summer of our 14-year-old. Ninth grade summer, my very good friend, Mike Carberry and I, and Ted Whalen was a part of it. And, yeah, we bought a car that was stolen and we had it for the entire summer at 14 years old,

driving it to places like Memorial Stadium, which is a true story. We took it up to Baltimore for an Orioles game. No, so I did not have a car, hitchhiked. By the way, I mentioned this to Denton, my producer, not on the air. I think it was during a break. and he said, what's hitchhiking? Oh, my God. Really?

Yeah, he didn't really know what it was. He had heard of it, but he didn't know what it was. Look, hitchhiking doesn't happen anymore. No, no, it doesn't. But I remember around when I was like 15 or 16, and before I had a car, I had a good friend, Charlie, who used to hitchhike. He used to say there's enough cars on the road. for me. I don't need a new, I don't need a car. Right. And you just stick his thumb out. And, you know,

I mean, we only hitchhike around town. We didn't like hitchhiked the Woodstock or anything. No, no, no, no. It was just, yeah, exactly. But hitchhiking was very normal. I mean, you drive down, you know, River Road. It was even money you'd see three or four people with their thumbs stuck out. Hitchhiking. Anyway, I hitchhiked her house and then I hitchhiked home. And I'll never forget the guy that gave me a ride to where I was going. We were coming down Bradley Boulevard. He had the radio on, and the news came across that there was a plane crash. And I went into my house and was glued to the TV, and I'll never forget that day.

I'll never forget watching the coverage. It was local coverage. There was no, was there CNN? I don't know if there was CNN. Yeah, there was CNN. Yeah, there was CNN. Definitely CNN. Yeah, what am I talking about?

But I didn't watch it because we didn't have cable. Yes, we did have cable. It was probably the first year we had cable. I don't remember. But we watched the local news. You know, Channel 9, Channel 7, Channel 4, they were the ones covering it. And watching, you know, Lenny Scutnik jump in and save that woman who was kind of hanging, you know, and in shock and very cold, icy waters and was probably, you know, minutes, if not seconds away from passing away.

But, you know, I don't, I think in today's world, in this 24-7 news cycle and this super short news cycle that we're in. This is big today. It'll be big maybe tomorrow. And then when the NTSB reports its findings, we'll learn a lot about it. But I don't know. For people last night that tuned into this, will it be what it was in 1982, you know, with Air Florida?

Will it be a day that it's one of those days that you remember what you were doing when you got the news and you heard about the plane crash? I don't know. It doesn't matter, really. Right. It might be. It might be something. Look, I mean, we have so much information available,

so much quicker than we used to. It would, in a way, make sense that since we have the information so much and so much quicker, it might fade quicker as well. Yeah. The whole thing's pretty wild because, you know, I learned a lot last night. We already discussed. I didn't realize that there hadn't been a commercial air disaster crash since 2009. I knew about Reagan National.

You know, I love that airport. It's the most convenient airport for me in where I live. It's, to me, the easiest airport in town, far in terms of car to gate or, you know, drop off to gate. Dulles is further, much further away and I think a lot less convenient. BWI is not bad, but I love... BWI is great. I love BWI.

BWI is pretty good, but Nationals always been in terms of car to gate, drop off to gate, just the easiest and most convenient. And if you live, you know, in town, which I do, or in the, close in suburbs. I mean, it's just a lot easier, you know. But I've always known, partly because of Buck, because he's such a, you know, he's such an aviation guy and loves talking about this stuff all the time. You know, it's been a challenging airport always for pilots because it has very short runways and there are only a couple of them. And when you come, the one landing from the north going south where you have to bank hard right at the Kennedy Center. Rosalind's right

there, the old USA Today building. But you also have, if you're sitting on the left side of the plane, just one of the most beautiful landings of any landing in the country, especially at night. Kennedy Center, the monument, the capital in the distance, you know, the Lincoln Memorial. You know, all of that is so gorgeous and such a great representation of our city if you're coming. into our city for the first time and you get that landing. The other landing from the south going north is a lot less aesthetically pleasing. You don't have the monuments and stuff, but it's always been a challenging landing. I remember Buck telling me that years ago, and you sense it when you fly into National and you bank hard and the plane's got to get down and then the brakes come on

so quickly because the runway short. What I didn't realize is just the traffic and the, the airspace, you know, restrictions, the helicopters. I'm familiar with helicopters, obviously, living in this city. There are always helicopters everywhere, but I didn't realize how short the area is, how restricted the area is, how tight the area is, how people have been actually, for years talking about this airport has too much activity. they shouldn't add to the activity. And I'm not sitting here telling you that I know enough to say that it's a dangerous airport

because obviously it's not a dangerous airport. But people have expressed concerns about the airport before. When they built Dulles, the reason they built Dulles initially Buck told me this morning was to do away with National Airport. But politicians and the convenience of it and they've kept it, and it's been an incredibly convenient and easy airport over the years, but a challenging one, and a very, you know, what's the word, very tight, constricted area for as much activity that is going on there. I don't know if that has anything to do with anything.

The runway that they sent this plane to was runway 33 or 33, which is the third runway and the shortest of the runways. And ultimately, that's where the helicopter ended up being. If they had flown in on the long runway, runway 1, which is south to north, there wouldn't have been any issue. But there shouldn't have been an issue at runway 3.3. You know, I mean, I've read about how busy the airspace is there. And sometimes when I look up in the sky at night and I see in the, in the

DMV. A lot of stuff in the sky, and I'm thinking, it's too crowded. It's too much stuff up there. You know? I'll see five or six airplanes or a helicopter, like all within my vision, and I'll say it's too much. You know, whenever I'm flying and I happen to look out my window and see another plane, I tend to freak. You do? Yes. I don't like that. If there's another plane within my vision, While we're flying, no, I don't like that at all. You're right. I have this feeling already.

The skies are already too crowded. Well, you're right. That airport, you know, at night, if you've ever been downtown at elevation in a building looking out, I'll tell you a place where you can see them lined up, the MGM. If you've ever been at the MGM, been there a few times, and you're out at, you know, eating outside, and you're watching the airport and the planes just line up, you can really see them lining up. But a lot of airports are like that, Atlanta.

You know, I've been to a lot of airports where you're just looking at the planes just sort of lining up to land. But there's also a lot of airports these days that are more like Dulles that are out in the distance as opposed to right smack in the middle of everything. Well, I mean, LaGuardia and Midway and the one in Dallas

that's in town. I know, but like Denver. Denver is pretty far out. Yeah. I think Atlanta's pretty far out. Love Field. Love Field was what I was thinking of. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, there's the other thing about flying. I remember in the mid to late 80s, the Miami Herald, which had a great investigative team, did this big investigative series about the dangers of flying. Why are we doing this?

Why are we going to scare people from flying? Well, we're not going to, I don't think we're... People are going to do what they have to do to do their business. It's the safest form of travel. It's the safest form of travel. Look, I get all that. I always say, but my argument would always be in a car when something goes wrong. wrong, you got a shot, okay? In a plane, when something goes wrong, you got no shot.

Yeah, my father-in-law used to say when your name's in the book, it's in the book, and I would say, well, what if you're on a plane and the guy sitting next to you, his name's in the book that day? Yeah, there you go. But, no, I get that, of course. But there was a period where I wouldn't fly. I would take the train everywhere. We used to go down to visit my family, and my family. Florida, we would take the train down rather than fly. After reading this, you know, after reading this series, there's no way I was going to get in an airplane. Things have changed dramatically since then. Well, you're not a, are you, hold on for a second. Are you afraid to fly? No, I'm not afraid to fly, but then I was. Okay. Then I was based on what I read in that series,

I said, I'm not getting on a plane. Right. So we, we, if we had to go to Florida to visit my family, We took the train. I'm sure by the time, you know, you guys listen to this, there's going to be a lot more information. We're recording this kind of early afternoon on the 30th of January. And just a sad, tragic night. It's really awful. You know, I've read about the 14 people linked to the U.S. figure skating team. Apparently, some of those people were from Boston, and many of those people were from our area.

and God, yeah, it's awful. It's just awful. I wanted to just mention, I think Mayor Bowser, she had to give the first briefing last night from the airport. I think she's really good at that. Did you watch her last night? No, I did not. I've said this before, and I've had her on the radio show, a couple. I've had her on the radio show a couple of times. I think I may have had her on the podcast once about, you know, the Cap One stuff and stadium, whatever. Forget politics. I just think she is a very poised communicator. And last night, you know, everybody's waiting for a briefing and she's the one that led it as the mayor of D.C. And I just thought she did a great job. And then she did another briefing early this morning

in which, by the way, every local politician was coming up to the microphone. I don't know why that was the case there because really you just want you know the mayor you want the emergency people that are the heads of fire and rescue and you want the the airport guy i mean i i don't know why we got mark warner followed by tim kane followed by every politician in virginia but whatever we'll move on from that um i i just think she's really she she just every time i've seen her in that spot i think she's done a good job. Forget about her politics and what you think of her as a mayor. I think she's a good communicator. Well, I didn't get a chance to see it, but, you know, it's important to be a good communicator and to put people east and to offer some level of sympathy, obviously, in a moment

like that. Right. Because we did have a mayor last week in Philadelphia that spelled Eagles, E-L-E-G-E-S. You saw that, right? Yeah, I would think that if you're a Washington fan, she'd be your favorite mayor. Yeah. All right. We'll talk about some sports. We'll get to that next right after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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If I'm rooting against the Eagles, that means, you know, I'm. I hate the Eagles. Hate them. Can't stand them. By the way, I can't stand the Eagles, and I can't stand their fan base. And it used to drive me nuts when I really, you know, had what I used to have in terms of juice for our team.

I hated how arrogant they were when they had never won a Super Bowl. You know, and then they finally won one. Am I rooting against them? Not in the way that you'd like me to root against them, Jackson. I actually might be rooting for them because I actually might bet them. So I will root for the side that I bet on if I end up betting on the game. I'm not a big fan of the Chiefs continuing to win like this. That's part of it if I were to root for Philadelphia.

But no, I'm not wishing horrible things for the Philadelphia fan base, but they would be awfully difficult to tolerate if they want it. So actually, I'm changing my mind. I'm rooting against them. They're the absolute worst. I just talked myself out of my original position, and I am into Jackson the answer you wanted for me. They're the absolute worst,

and they would be insufferable if they want another one. I'm rooting for the Chiefs. I understand that. You know, it's not like college where you would root for your conference to win, for your division to win. Right. So all the teams in the division would get more money. people don't understand that.

You know, you said that in part because I used to tell you when we were in the ACC in particular that I, when the tournament started, I wanted the other ACC teams to do well and do advance, and you'd be like even Duke, and I'd be like, yeah, even Duke. Like I would dream about an all final four of ACC teams and how that would be great. And ACC fans always felt that way. I mean, if you went to a venue for, say, a regional or a sub-regional and there was another ACC team, you would join the other ACC team's fans in a chant of ACC. There was a lot of pride in being a part of that conference.

I don't feel that way about the Big Ten. That doesn't work in the NFC Easter pro football, doesn't? I don't think so. But with that said, I've always wanted Washington and Dallas to be, great again at the same time so that the rivalry would come back. And we've not really had a chance for that. There was 2016 when Dallas was 9 and 1 and we were 6'3 and 1 in that Thanksgiving Day game, that was a massive regular season game and it felt like something from years past. The games in 2012, especially the season finale for the division. But they really haven't since the early 90s

Really, they both haven't been great at the same time. Washington hasn't been great ever until this year. But Dallas, even when Washington had their occasional decent year, the Cowboys always seem to be down except for 2012. But yeah, I would root for that. But I'm not rooting. Philadelphia is, I kind of feel like every team in the NFC East can't stand Philadelphia or their fan base.

Giant fans, cowboy fans, Skins fans are repulsed by Philadelphia fans. Well, I think with good reason. I think generally the general population, when they see what Philly fan is like, feels the same way. At the same time, I totally respect how good of a home crowd they have. That's a tough place to play. Hell of the home field play. Yeah, it really is. And, you know, when they've come down here and taken over the place, it's kind of impressive the way they do it.

I've told you the story about, I covered one time, I think it was when Case Keenham was here. And the home open, the opener was up in Philly. And, you know, they do the 50-50 raffle, like they do in all these places now. Well, the 50-50 raffle that day in Philly for the home opener got up to $180,000. Wow. I've never seen anything like that. Yeah. You know, so that's a level of passion right there.

Yeah, it is. I got this from Jay. Jay writes, stop talking about the name. Can't we just talk ball? I don't know why you insist on talking about the name. cares. And then I got this from Will. Can you please start talking about the name again now that the season is over? I always love that. You get that too, don't you? I mean, I always love when I read something from one person who thinks he's heard me talking about A, and then the next email or tweet is the exact opposite. Well, yeah, yeah. But you know what? When they're talking about, you know, talk more about the name, or give up talking about the name. I find most of the time they're talking about, like,

when they say the name's going to change, what they really mean is the name's not going to, you're not going to get the old name back. That's what a lot of people really mean. Right. A lot of the discussion about the name for me revolves around the old name. Yeah, but that's not coming back. I know it's not.

I hear what you're saying. I understand that. I think I get a lot of both. I get that. I get the people that are, you know, really saying, stop, it's not coming back as in Redskins. But I get a lot of other people that will say, stop, nobody cares. That's the reaction that for me, and I think a lot of people,

is just so off and so disingenuous. Maybe that's harsh. Maybe it's just naive and detached. But I mean, how can you call yourself an informed fan? if you don't know how big of an issue the name is. I mean, we've just had in the last like seven months. We had the post poll back in May or June where 70, 75% indicated they wanted the name changed. Remember we had Tommy the internal polling from the team?

We had that, you know, market research that they did or they had a company due on their behalf. It got leaked and it was like 65% said they wanted the name to change. I mean, how uninformed can you be? How detached can you be? How disingenuous can you be if you don't know that a majority, if not a major majority of fans, care about this issue? I mean, it's fine if you don't care. That's fine.

I don't hold that against you at all. You're entitled to your opinion if you don't want the name changed and you think it's ridiculous that people do. But when you say that nobody cares, you just come off as completely. detached from reality. I mean, no offense, Jay and other people that feel that way, but if you really believe that, where's your proof? Because I just gave you the post-poll and the team's own internal market research that

shows a significant majority care about this issue. I haven't seen anything that would indicate a significant majority don't care. Now, if you want to tell me that, oh, well, they do. just had a great season, and now nobody cares after 12 and 5 in the NFC championship game, I'd still say prove it because, you know, while they were having this great season, you know, they didn't sell out even a majority of their games with, by the way, one of the two or three lowest capacities in the NFL, the local television ratings were stunningly low during the regular season, 21st among 32 teams. Those aren't the only ways to measure kind of, you know,

people who care about the name versus don't care, but they're biggies. Yeah, I think that's kind of the group that irks me the most. The shut up, nobody cares group, because it's just so far from the truth. But anyway, yeah. Yeah. Let's stick with the name for just a little bit because you mentioned something to me before we started to record about the station 980 highlighting something that I had said yesterday or the day before on the show and putting it out there is kind of like Kevin is saying the name is coming back. I actually asked Denton about it before the radio show started this morning because I was getting all of these, you know, go get them. thanks for giving us the great news on the name stuff. And I'm like, what are you talking about? What did I say?

And I guess we were talking about something and I, you know, said what I've said many, many times over the last year, which is, you know, my hunch is they're going to do something with the name. I've got a bigger hunch that they'll do something with the uniforms. So then I see. Yeah, they put you out there on that one. Yeah, you told me that you noticed that. So. Yes. How did you view the way they put me out there like that?

Well, how did I view it? Just from reading it on social media, that you had the skinny that the name was probably going to be changed. Is that the way it was presented, really? Like I was reporting it? Well, I've got it in front of me. The Team 980, Kevin Shee in D.C. believes Washington's owner group will do something. something about the team's name and brand. Quote, I would wager on a name change.

Yes, I would. I did say that. I've said that for a year, though. I've said on the name change, I've said that ever since they bought the team, which would now be a year and a half. Yeah. You know, July of 2023. But you're not saying it's imminent.

No. Imminent? No. No. I'm not saying anything, really, other than what they said I said. which is I would wager on it. I think this has gotten sort of presented, and I'm not blaming anybody because they want people to listen to it.

I think this is getting presented as if Kevin's got this skinny, as you described, or Kevin's reporting this. No, I'm not. I'm not reporting anything. I haven't said anything recently that I haven't said for the last year and a half, and that is, do I think the name will change? I do. I think the name will change.

It's my opinion that it will change. I'd lean in the direction of they'll eventually change the name. I think I've said in the last, say, six, eight, nine months, and I've been more sort of demonstrative with this, that I feel even more strongly that if they don't change the name, they will end up changing the uniforms back to something that looks like the old uniforms. That is more of what I would, not a report, but more of kind of an educated lean in that direction. But look, I've also said things that have annoyed some of you that really want the name change, like I do, by the way, that this isn't easy. It's not easy because there's not an easy solution. It's a hard thing for them. And I have had conversations with various people and the know about this because they've certainly spent time thinking about it and looking into this. And, you know, it's been relayed to me in the past that for ownership, this is a hard. hard thing because there's not like an easy answer. The easy answer would be Redskins, but that's

not available. That's not going to happen. I've also suggested that if they decided ultimately not to change the name because they decided that the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, meaning it's more of an older part of the fan base that really cares about the name issue. And the lifetime value of that fan isn't anywhere near as great as the lifetime value of a much younger fan is. And if they came to that conclusion and that a younger fan isn't, you know, nearly as annoyed by this or doesn't find it to be nearly as much of a problem as an older fan does, and they're investing in the future and really a new fan base altogether, I would get that. I would understand that from a business.

perspective, a marketing perspective, a customer acquisition perspective. But yeah, and in terms of imminent, I don't think anything's imminent. My guess has been, and this has been more of also a bit of an educated lien, not reporting it, but in having conversations with various people over the last year, last six months in particular, I would think that anything about the name will wait until the stadium gets done. They got a deal, and by the way, the city council passes the deal. And then I think, you know, it will be appropriate, and I would guess we would hear something about the name and or uniforms. But, yeah, I don't, if anybody took what the radio station put out there as me breaking news, if I'm going to break news, I'm going to break news.

I'll be on X, but I'll be on radio saying, I got it. I got sources telling me, let's go live. No, that's not what I said. Nothing even close to that. I've just said what I've said for the last year and a half. I hope that clears it up. There's people who believe that like a 12-win season and playing in the NFC title game,

and the excitement about it is evidence that people have accepted the name. Right. You know, that, you know, they've gotten past the name, and they're okay with commanders. I don't think that's the case. And part of the reason why some people, you know, you can find out, you have the group of people that will never be happy that the old name is gone. But you also have, I think, a larger group of people, which includes the old Reds people that associate commanders with Dan Snyder.

That was his name. That was the name that they adopted when he owned the team. And I think people want to purge everything they possibly can from that era. And it's hard, you know, for fans who are really devoted, it's hard to forget how pathetic the rollout was of the name. And I mean, I think people, it was cheap from the start. And I think that the name got tagged that way. That it was a cheap, you know, half-ass name done in a half-ass way by a half-ass owner.

Well, it was cheap. And the whole thing was cheesy and, you know, uninspiring. And, you know, I'm not even sure, honestly, if a lot of people care that it was the last vestiges of Snyder. think many people do, don't get me wrong, but I think especially the people that want Redskins back and that is really where they are and they're not, you know, bending from that. It's not about the commanders. It's about not having Redskins. And so I don't even know if Snyder had a real role in putting that whole disaster together. But if it gets the name change to blame it on him, I'm fine with that.

All right, I'm done with this. Are you ready to move on? If you're done with it, I'm done with it. I'm done with it. Let's get to the Justin Tucker story that just broke this afternoon. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. I want to welcome a new sponsor to the podcast, and that sponsor is Rocket Money. And, guys, this is interesting.

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week. But I usually generally alert the public as a public service about it on the podcast on Thursday. And like we've discussed many times. When we use the word menu of excellence, we've always used that to describe our radio show in the past and the podcast that we do now. Well, Shelly's lives by those same standards, a menu of excellence in three different areas, cigars, liquor, and then food. And this week's, we've, specials include a buffalo chicken tender sandwich, deep-fried fresh chicken tenders, dipped in buffalo sauce, served on a butter toasted potato kaiser roll. Do you like potato roll? Who doesn't? Yeah, that's a lot of roll and it's, you know, soft and it's a kise, yeah, give me,

give me a big old potato roll a bun for my chicken sandwich. But what does it even mean? I've never even looked at, like, is there potato in it? Is there potato in it? I don't think so. You know? Although, why? What, how did they get the name potato roll? Good question.

Somebody will tell us. Somebody will tell us on social media, yeah. But, you know, it comes with blue cheese dressing, French fries, and a kosher, dill pickle. I mean, I'd ever tell you the prices on these things. I mean, this is downtown D.C. That's $15.000. Yeah. Right there.

You know, that's a remarkable price. It is. for downtown D.C. for quality food, like you're going to get at Shelly. You can find out more about their menus of excellence by going online at shelley's backroom.com. And please visit the establishment and see for yourself what I've been telling you all along. 1331 F. Street, Northwest, in the district, right across from the National Press Club. Yeah, there's something about a potato roll or a potato bun that's just, you know. You know who's got great kind of potato hamburger buns or rolls is Martins.

Do you ever buy the Martin's product? Martin's rolls? Well, I don't do Martins anymore. No, no, they sell it every. It's a brand. I guess it emanates from Martins, the supermarket chain. But you can get it at Safeway. You can get it a giant.

You can get them anywhere. Yeah, I know that. I don't buy Martin's potato rolls. Oh, I thought you were saying that you don't buy them because you don't go to that supermarket anymore. because Martins is a supermarket chain somewhere. Okay. In Pennsylvania, maybe?

I don't know. Okay, why not? Well, because I have political, personal reasons. So the ownership of Martins, they're too conservative for you? I don't even know if conservative is the right word anymore. Is it religious? No. Okay.

Are they open on Sundays? Ravens Ravens kicker Justin Tucker I'll add parenthetically as I'm reading from the ESPN.com story one of the greatest kickers in the history

of the game who also struggled mightily Hall of Famer struggled mightily this year but got it together actually in their two postseason games. Listen to this story. Ravens kicker Justin Tucker is accused of inappropriate sexual

behavior by six mass therapists in the Baltimore area, according to an investigation by the Baltimore Banner. Tucker's conduct caused some therapists to refuse to work with him again and resulted in two spas banning him from returning, according to an article posted by the banner on Thursday. I don't know what the banner is. The banner is actually a very good newspaper up in Baltimore. It's been around for a couple years. It's an electronic paper.

Okay. A printed paper. but it's the real deal. I mean, it's a legitimate big city newspaper. And if you're looking for news and from Baltimore, I'd highly recommend the banner. Okay, there we go. Recommendation for the banner. The allegations reportedly occurred between 2012 and 2016,

which were Tucker's first five seasons in the NFL. That's nine years ago. It was more, it's between nine and 13 years ago. Okay. first time I'm reading this story updated apparently. About an hour after the Banner's article was posted, Tucker called the allegations unequivocally false and a lengthy response on social media. Quote, throughout my career as a professional athlete, I have always sought to conduct myself with the utmost professionalism. I've never before been accused of misconduct of any kind, and I've

never been accused of acting inappropriately in front of a massage therapist or during a massage therapy session or during other body work. In his post, Tucker said the article takes innocuous and ambiguous interactions and skews them so out of proportion that they are no longer recognizable. This is a desperate tabloid. This is desperate tabloid fodder, close quote. Tucker could be subject to discipline under the NFL's personal conduct policy. This from the league, from Brian McCarthy League spokesperson. We first became aware of the allegations from the reporter investigating this story as they were not previously shared with the NFL. We take any allegations seriously and we will look into this matter, closed quote. The Ravens are saying that they, that quote, we take any

allegations of this nature seriously and will continue to monitor this situation. Attorneys for Tucker denied the allegations. The banner said it began its investigation after receiving a tip on January 9th, according to six massage therapists contacted by the banner, they alleged Tucker exposed his genitals, brushed two of them with his exposed genitals, and left what they believed to be, you know what,

a happy ending on the massage table after three of his treatments. I don't know why I'm having a difficult time reading some of these words, but Tucker says, I support a process that allows claims to be properly investigated. These are hurtful claims for both me and more importantly, my family closed. You know, if they're ambiguous and innocuous, and if they're taking ambiguous and innocuous situations and twisting it, well, I mean, it's these massage therapists that are doing that.

I mean, a banner didn't make up the allegations, whether the allegations are true or not. I mean, the banner interviewed, you know, according to the story, at least six, a massage therapist who came up with this information. So his issue, it also was with the banner, are with these massage therapists who all managed to come up and twist innocuous and ambiguous situations. You know, so that leaves me a little suspect. You know, the Ravens have only had three place kickers since they moved to Baltimore in 1996 from Cleveland. Billy Cundiff was one of them. Who was the other one? Yeah, he was in the middle.

Matt Silver was the first one. Right. He came from Cleveland. He started his career in Cleveland in 91. And then you had Billy Cundiff for three years. And then since then, you've been. you've had Justin Tucker. I mean, the commanders had more than three kickers this season,

which really speaks to the stability of the organization. You know, besides, they've only had three coaches since they've moved to Baltimore, two general managers, you know, but this, I mean, there was a lot of frustration with Justin Tucker this year up in Baltimore because his standards are pretty high. He's one of the best kickers we've seen. in his time. And he wasn't that this year, although he did, like he said,

straightening things out near the end of the season. But it's savvy. You know, this is the Sean Watson disease. And it's just puzzling why these guys can't figure out the difference between a massage power and a massage power.

Yeah. That is so true. Real quick. you know, let me just say this. Deshawn Watson, remember, had like two dozen, you know, allegations from two dozen, like, two dozen therapists. Like, this was, he was a serial. He had a major issue, clearly. Six is a big number, too.

Let's be honest. You got six people to come forward with this. That makes it certainly a little bit more, like, in the lean direction of the claim. against him rather than it being one or two, which by the way is what it was with Brandon McManus on a flight, you know, back in, you know, when he was in Jacksonville and Washington released him for it. But, I mean, okay, there is a difference between, you know,

sport massage therapy, like legitimate massage therapists, and then other massage therapists. and it seems like Deshawn Watson and maybe Justin Tucker hadn't or haven't figured that out. Maybe actually Justin Tucker figured it out, but didn't know between 2012 and 2016. But then starting in 2017, he had finally figured it out. Maybe he did. It really speaks to an issue other than a sexual issue. If you go and try to do that someplace where you know they don't do it.

that. Of course. Yeah. Like, you got a problem. You know, you either have a problem or you're a bad or you're a bad person. You know. You know, isn't it a nice, isn't it nice that, again,

part of the joy of being a commander's fan this year is there was none of that. None of that. No, no off-the-field drama. you know, to basically take away from the joy of the season, and it was just football. People argued about football issues, you know,

whether the defense was good enough, you know, not how dysfunctional the team was. And the Ravens are not a dysfunctional organization. They're just the opposite. They're a standard for... Yeah, they've had the issue. They've had the Ray Rice issue. Oh, yeah, the Ray Rice.

This is why they're very... They're very cautious probably publicly about dealing with this because, you know, they'll always be on the defensive after the Ray Rice issue. I looked this up real quickly because I wasn't sure if it was Justin Tucker, but I was right thinking about him this way. He's the singer. He's a classically trained opera singer. You know that, right? When I was thinking about it, is he the guy that's the singer? Tucker, here's his personal life under Wikipedia.

Tucker is a devout Catholic and makes the sign of the cross before every kick. Tucker is a classically trained bass baritone who can sing opera in seven different languages. He has been asked by both the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra and the Opera Orchestra of New York for performances in the past, although Tucker was unable to participate. In 2015, he was contracted by Royal Royal. Farms to sing for its line of commercials. That year, Tucker sang Ave Maria for a Catholic Charities benefit concert in Baltimore. His opera talents also led Tucker through to the finals of the most valuable performer, a talent show featuring talent performances by NFL players where he won

thanks to his rendition of Ave Maria. He won $50,000 for charity. Seven different languages. Wow. where did he go to school? Where did he go to college? Texas, wouldn't it Texas? Texas. Yeah. Really? Mm-hmm. He was a kicker in Texas at Texas in Austin.

He holds the NFL field goal record for the longest kick, 66 yards. A few years back in Detroit, he made that kick. He's a five-time first team all-pro, three-time second-team all-pro, seven-time pro bowler. NFL 20-tenths all-decade team. He's a whole-famer, isn't he? I think so.

Yes. I think so too. Yeah. His career, this was by far and away, his worst season. He was 22 of 30, 73.3%. The lowest field goal percentage of his career before this year was 82.5% in 2015 when he was 33 of 40. He also missed two PATs this year, something he had only done one other time in his career. but in the postseason he was two for two on field goals and five for five on extra points.

There you go. Yeah, I think people have discussed him as a future Hall of Famer. Yeah. So, okay. Anything else, boss? You got anything else for me, boss? I've got nothing else for you other than just to ask all of you. If you've been thinking about new windows, 86690 Nation.

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