The Kevin Sheehan Show - Schefter On Cousins: "Maybe Washington Jumps In"

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

Kevin with Thom today reacting to reports including one from ESPN's Adam Schefter that indicate Washington could be in play for Kirk Cousins when NFL Free Agency begins next week. Plenty of Commanders' draft talk as well. Kevin with thoughts on Maryland hoops' fans that are disappointed with Kevin Willard and Thom on the awful soccer practice called "tragedy chanting". After that, an easy stroll into disaster plans for professional sports leagues.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. I think Washington's going to be open to anything, including moving back in the draft. So there's going to be a team that doesn't get Kirk Cousins. And it certainly sounds like right now Kirk Cousins will have, as is primary two options,

primary two options, Atlanta and Minnesota, maybe why. Washington jumps in. Whoa. Maybe. Well, wow. Yeah, maybe Washington jumps in. Washington. Maybe there's another team.

But I think the two primary suitors for Kirk Cousins I would expect to be Minnesota and Atlanta. That was Adam Schaefter earlier today on the Pat McAfee show on ESPN, suggesting that maybe Washington jumps in to the Kirk Cousins. fray. I talked about this on the podcast that I put out on Saturday. Diana Rusini had a similar report that Minnesota would have to fend off teams like Atlanta and Washington for Kirk Cousins. Ben Standing has suggested that it's not that far of a reach. So we will talk about Kirk, you know who, a little bit more on the show today, a show that is presented as always by Wind Donation. Call them at 86690 Nation or head to winddonation.com. Tommy, this comes from CM coaching via Apple Podcasts Review. Rate us and review us if you get a chance.

It really is helpful. It's titled, I Disrupted the Serial Isle at Safeway from Laughing, gave us five stars, quote, this is the best sports podcast for lots of reasons, and I have a new one to add. The dialogue between Tommy and Kevin is hysterical at times. Last night, as Kevin described his addiction to apps, that coo sweet nothings about cutting your hair and cleaning your ears, I laughed so loud at Tommy's response of incredulity that everyone in the cereal aisle jumped. Thank you for making my night, but please think about bringing on more female experts on things like psychology, mindset, grit, leadership, and emotional contagion, because listening to men talk about men could use a bit more perspective to learn about

how to draft players lead others and thrive under pressure. Thank you very much. It's an excellent review. We have several others on this. This comes from Big Poppy. Thanks for sleepless in Annapolis. Hey, Kevin and Tom, it's John Ritter from Annapolis. Why do we know John Ritter from Annapolis? I don't recall. It's not John Ritter from Three's Company. Was that his name, John Ritter?

He passed on. Yeah, he passed on. Yeah, he passed on very young. That would be a story. Yeah, it was really sad, right? He was like, he was in his 40s or 50s maybe. Something like that, yeah. I was never a three's company guy, by the way.

You didn't like Suzanne Summers? back in the day? I like Suzanne Summers, but, I mean, it wasn't, no, Trees Company. It was pretty lame as far as humor. I was not a huge Threes Company fan either. I didn't think it was super funny, but Suzanne Summers was certainly near the top of the list for a child of the 70s. That's for sure. I, too. I enjoyed the Thymaster commercials much more.

Yeah, those were good, too. So anyway, John Ritter, is that his name by the? the way, the guy that played the male role, John Ritter. Just wanted to drop you a review. Kevin, I've been listening to your show since you were on with Doc Walker all those years ago. I've never called in. Hopefully one day I will. In any event, I just wanted to let you guys know that I really enjoy the show and have for over a decade. Honestly, I have some trouble sleeping similar to Kevin, and it's really helpful to be able to turn the show on when I can't sleep. I mean, there it is. We are ASMR for our listeners that have a difficult time sleeping. I love the takes. I think the skins reporting is great, especially from Kevin. I love Tom.

Also, he's an acquired taste, and I've acquired that taste. I don't like it when you guys argue, but love the dynamic. Please keep it up for years to come. Kevin. Yes, Tom. Have you ever fallen asleep on the air? No. Have you?

We're doing a podcast? No. You know what? I don't think so. I don't. I'm not sure. There were times when we did this show together for all those years in the same studio, where I would look over at you and you look tired.

You were definitely about to doze off, but then I would say something brilliant or provocative, and you would pipe right back up. No, I have been very tired on the air before. You know what? I've been in the middle of like an interview or taking a caller. And, you know, sometimes, you know, there are different people that you have on as guests. And you know that once they start, they can get on a roll. I mean, like Joe Thaisman, nobody gets on a role like Joe does.

And so you can actually, you know, move back off the mic, turn the mic off, you know, kick your legs up a little bit and lean. back because it's going to be a while. I don't know. I've never fallen asleep. You know who did fall asleep on the air? Mike Francesa did in New York. Fell sound asleep on the air. That's right.

And he was doing the show by himself. That's not good. But then it's really problematic then. Yeah. Yeah. We could have a whole new revenue stream here if we can start putting people to sleep. Well, there's some people that say we put him to sleep for a completely different reason.

You know, it actually reminds me of this story. I'm pretty sure I've told before. Brandon Lloyd. Remember Brandon Lloyd? They traded for Brandon Lloyd. And then they ripped up his contract, which had like two years left on it and gave him a brand new contract. And he had been a good receiver for the 49ers, made some really entertaining catches. So when he got to D.C., he had.

the radio station. And this was when this was the first two years of Red Zebra. This is when, remember for that two-year period, I went and did the Riggins show with Gary Braun. Bram and I left 980 and were hired by Red Zebra, me to do pre-game post-game, Monday morning with Jacoby,

and then do the Riggins show. Bram had his own show with Larry Michael and also did a show on Monday, nights before we carried Monday night football. And so the station signed Brandon Lloyd to be Bram's co-host for this Monday night show. So Brams told this story many times, but it's, what made me think of it is dead air is never a good thing in radio or a podcast. So falling asleep is not a good thing. But on the first night of the show, the first Monday night game of the year, before they went on the air. Several people approached Bram on Brandon Lloyd's behalf. And they said, this is going to be

Brandon's show. We don't really know much about you. You just kick back and listen and let yeah, yeah, yeah, and let Brandon handle all, you know, this whole thing. And so Bram said, excuse me? Like, I'm the co-host of this show. But Bram, kind of understand. where this would go, let it slide. And so they come on the air and Bram says, you know, welcomes everybody. He wasn't, you know, it's just right. Brandon, like, sits down right before the show begins. And they said, Brandon, it's yours.

Take it away. Brandon said a couple of things and then stop talking. And so there was like dead air for like 10 seconds. So they go to the first commercial break. And Bram says to Brandon, hey, look, your guys came over and said that this was your show. So let me just give you a little bit of advice about radio. Dead air is the worst thing that you can provide. It's better if you say something stupid than actually have dead air.

So if this is the way we're going to do it, you're going to need to talk. So the next segment, they come back. Brandon tries to do something. and after 30 seconds he's done. Well, that's not the way it works. You got 18 minutes you got to do before the next set of commercials. So after the show, Bram went to these people and said, so it's not going to work that way.

Brandon is perfect as a co-host or as the lead guest here. I have to run the show. That's what I do for a living. And they didn't want to hear it. They said, no, that's not the way we're going to do it. And Bram said, we're going to do it that way because I can tell you one thing we cannot ever have again on this show is dead air. Dead air people are on the other end thinking that they've lost the station and that happened three times tonight. It won't happen again.

Next week, I'm the lead on this show. And then, I don't know, probably Bennett Zier got involved or something or Castleberry and they told Brandon Lloyd who had like some big large group of people. It was a bad deal with the Brandon Lloyd thing here. He was very talented, but never really did much and clearly had that diva wide receiver attitude. But of course, Dan thought he looked great and had a big name. So he, you know, traded for him, ripped up his contract, which had two years left, and paid him a new five-year deal. Anyway. So.

Well, it's a good thing that doesn't happen anymore. It's a good thing that, and it's a good thing we don't fall asleep on the air. Although, you know what? We still have more years of doing this. It could happen. The good part about a podcast. The good thing about it. I wouldn't rule it out.

I wouldn't definitely not rule it out. But it would never actually make the podcast because when I finally woke up, I would have realized what would have happened and I would just call you back and say, hey, I just fell asleep. Yeah, but here's the thing. what you would do to me is you would let me snore on the air and then keep it in. I might do that. That's true.

That is 100% true. So rate us and review us if you have a chance. And the reference was to this AMSR, which I got so many. Tommy, I got so many tweets and emails about it. I can't believe how many people knew exactly what I was talking about and have experienced the same thing. Although somebody mentioned, I didn't keep these in front of me, so I'm going to paraphrase here.

Somebody mentioned to me, this was really cool for me. It really worked, and then all of the sudden it stopped working. And I went back to my green noise, brown noise, white noise, ocean sounds, because I've tried all of those as well. And you know what? I am kind of losing interest a little bit in the cooing. sweet things about haircuts and scalp massages into my ear. It's getting a little bit old now for me. So I may just go back to Ocean Sounds. Speaking of Ocean Sounds, you're not hearing those today in Frederick, are you? You're back from Florida. No, I'm not. I'm back from Florida.

I'm glad to be home. It wasn't like, you know, yesterday, Sunday was a gorgeous day here. Gorgeous. That's good as any day we had in Florida. Yeah, it was nice. Because the weather was not that great down there for two months. You know, most of the time, it was still short-sleeve weather, but cold, cool, coming with the breeze coming off the Gulf. They've had better seasons down there, but I'm glad to be home.

Well, and let's face it, Kenny Dees isn't quite the same anymore after the experience that you had this year. No, and it's not like I'll be able to pick that up again, because, part of the allure of doing it there was singing outdoors under palm trees, you know, while drinking beer. And I just don't see that happening up here. Plus, you know, Tommy Purify is dead and buried. Well, he's not dead. He's not buried. He's, he's in ICU right now. He is being tended to. We may have a miracle recovery by next spring. I think that's a possibility. Man, when you just mentioned drinking beers and sitting under palm trees, God, I could use that right now.

Yeah. I could really use that. Even on a cloudy, cool day, you could still do that down there. There was a day last week you weren't back yet. It was one of the, it was like the, it was a very mild day because we had several very mild days when you were gone. And it wasn't just mild like temperatures in the 50s. It was breezy. And it was cloudy.

But I walked out of the studio to head home. And I don't know, it was 5 o'clock, so 5.30 somewhere around there. And instead of walking to my car, I just kept walking. And there's this, the Capitol Crescent Trail is pretty close to where I work and where I used to live. I just walked down there. I walked for, it was dark. By the time I got back, it was dark. But there's nothing better than mild and breezy when there's just a warm wind.

And that's normal for, you know, different parts of the calendar. But when you've been in the middle of winter, that just feels so good. And I have not taken a trip. This is not a – you're in Florida for two months. I mean, you summer in Florida. winter in Florida, summer in Spain. Last year, I think I went to Florida in the middle of the winter. I think the year before we went somewhere else, maybe Arizona.

I didn't go anywhere this year. Nowhere. You know, taking aimless walks just for the sake of walks, listening to earbrush sounds to go to sleep, I don't know what's happening to you. Well, I definitely, I walk, well, I played golf yesterday and walked the whole 18, and that's that's 17,000 steps. I try to get somewhere between 7,500 to 10,000 steps a day,

7,500 plus and drinking a lot of water and listening to whispering into your ear as you go to bed, apparently is very healthy for you. All right, let's get to this cousins thing. What do you say? So that was Schefter earlier today. And this is now kind of a slow build on this Cousins and Washington thing. Diana Rusini, and I talked about this on the podcast, and I don't know if you saw this or not,

but Diana Rusini suggested the other day that the quarterback market all starts with Kirk Cousins. Minnesota wants to keep them, but they may have to fend off Atlanta, Denver, or possibly even Washington. Ben, as in Ben Standick, has thrown Cousins name out there and into the conversation about what Washington will do at quarterback. In a recent column, he wrote, Cousins is, quote, open to it based on conversations with league sources in recent years, closed quote, open to coming back to Washington. Ben also wrote, quote, why would Cousins return to Washington?

Yes, things have changed. but the commanders also have plenty of money to pay Cousins. Cousins is close with 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan, who has strong relationships with Adam Peters and Dan Quinn. If the commanders were indeed an option for Cousins, he'd likely hear very good things from Shanahan. So, Cousins back to D.C. I'll start with you and then I'll answer it more detail than I did the other day.

Do you consider it a legitimate possibility or not? as much as I would hope it would happen. I don't think so. Look, first of all, you know, Ben, who I have tremendous respect for as covering the team, mentioned league sources have spoken that in the past several years. What did he say? Re it back to me. Cousins would be open to it based on conversations with league sources and research.

recent years. Okay, well, what does that mean, recent years? There's only one year to count. Right. I mean, there's no way in the two previous years since, you know, the new ownership that he had conversations with anybody about saying he would be coming back to Washington, okay? So it's only the obvious has to be with the new ownership change.

You know, that changes everyone's view on everything. So I could certainly see that happening. And I just, you know, it's so funny because he, it's the only quarterback out there who would bring such tremendous amount of baggage here to Washington through no fault of his own. Right. Really? I mean, basically, but the baggage, the turmoil, the craziness, all of which I would root for, by the way. which is why I would love to see it happen. Yeah, right.

Okay. Plus, he can play quarterback, okay? Yeah. He's pretty good. But, but it's just, it doesn't fit there. I mean, we talk about process. There's no process involved in deciding the trade for Kirk Cousins. I mean, that's the impulse by, in, and while you're shopping in a way.

I mean, you may have a different plan saying, if we don't have to use our draft pick on the quarterback, we can trade down and build the rest of the team from within. I get that, but everyone knows the quarterback is, everything has to start with the quarterback, and I just don't see them making that move instead of, I don't see Cliff Kingsbury recommending that move when he can have a bright young mind to mold,

as opposed to a veteran quarterback who may have different views a position that Cliff Kingsbury has. Here's another quote I forgot to read it from Ben's story. Sources say Cousins has been very impressed with Washington's search committee. Interesting. I'm kidding. I know. That was a good one.

So there are two things. Three things. One, I would love Kirk Cousins to be in one. Washington, but not now. And not ever again. Like if you had this conversation with me a couple of years ago, of course, I don't think it's a possibility at all either. I don't care what Schefter's suggesting or Diana's suggesting. And let me explain why. First of all, Washington would have to be totally, totally convinced that the quarterbacks that are available to them in the draft at number two are not quarterbacks that they want anything to do with.

Because the opportunity to select a quarterback number two overall in the draft, a draft, by the way, that most people, whether they're right or wrong, who knows, believe it to be a solid quarterback draft at the very least, especially where Washington's selecting, they would have to walk away from their weeks and weeks of evaluation and say, nope, we don't see it with any of these guys. we'd be making a big mistake. We don't have a first round grade on anybody other than maybe Caleb Williams and Chicago is going to take him. So you start there because there's nothing that makes sense

for this organization right now to pass on a really strong prospect at quarterback and need position at number two overall to sign a quarterback that's coming off a torn Achilles will turn 36 before the season starts. And then secondly, this is the next part of this. And this is where, you know, I don't want to get started on the Ben Johnson, Dan Quinn thing. But it's like people have not listened to Peters and to, you know, Josh Harris and others when they've talked. They haven't said a lot.

But Peters and Josh Harris told you during the coaching search. Leadership, leadership, leadership. We want a big-time leader. They told you the direction they wanted to go in. And so far since Dan Quinn's been hired and Cliff Kingsbury's been hired, what have we heard over and over again about one of the key traits of the quarterback that they want? Mobility. They want mobility.

They've said it multiple times. Kingsbury in that press conference didn't say much, but he said, you saw what happened in the Super Bowl on big downs, third down, the quarterback's got to be able to move and make a play when it's not there. Kirk Cousins is not mobile. Now, he's not immobile. I think some people believe he's immobile. And he has become very good as his career is advanced at creating time. in the pocket with good feel, good footwork, et cetera.

But he does not have the mobility that they are talking about. He just doesn't. So if you're listening to them, he's not what they're looking for. Number two is why would you ever not draft a quarterback at number two that you really like for a guy that's going to turn 36 coming off a torn Achilles? oh, by the way, you're going to have to pay $40 million a year, $50 to $60 guaranteed for two years. And then lastly, Tommy, cousins, as much as I love him, I love Kirk, and I have followed his entire career since he left Washington.

He needs really good support around him. He's not Patrick Mahomes. He's not Josh Allen. He's not one of these strap it to their backs quarterbacks, and he elevates everybody. He elevates people, but not in a way where you can overcome a bad defense or a bad offensive line. Kirk has to have a solid group around him to be at his best. This team has offensive line needs. It could use another receiver, like a true game-changing wide receiver,

like the two receivers he's had in Minnesota. Diggs and Jefferson. All due respect to Terry McClure. He's not Diggs. He's not Jefferson. And by the way, he's not even what Kirk had in Washington. Jordan Reed, one of the best pass-catching tight ends in the league, Deshawn Jackson, who was a put the scare, put a scare into the defense receiver, and then guys like Garsohn, et cetera. Washington is not the right place for cousins. Cousins is not right for Washington.

It's not that I am suggesting that any of the reporting or the suggestions made by some of these reporters is wrong, but I do think, because I know this from previous years, Kirk's agent, Mike McCartney, has consistently, during these periods in which Kirk was potentially a free agent or a free agent, he's done a great job of ginning up a market with more than just a couple of suitors. You heard Adam Schaefter say very clearly that Minnesota and Atlanta are the primary contenders. I completely agree with that. And I think teams like Washington and Denver and others are being put out there as a way to really get the market heated up on Kirk. Would Kirk have a problem coming back here? I agree with Ben.

And, you know, I've texted back and forth with Kirk over the years. They loved D.C. Loved it. And the people who were here that they didn't love are gone. So coming back here, I don't think would be an issue

for him. I just don't think it's the right thing for him. It wouldn't be the right situation because of what he would have around him. And it would also say a lot about where Josh Harris is right now. If they went out and signed Kirk Cousins, Josh Harris has basically said, I want to win now, because it's a two-year deal. And I don't see that happening. So I don't see Washington having

any interest in Cousins. It would be cool to see him back, but I just, nothing about it makes any sense to me at all. I agree with a lot of what you said. And here's the other thing. Most teams, well, most good teams, would salivate at the opportunity to have a quality quarterback on a rookie contract. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So, I mean, for the next four or five years, you're not plowing all your money into that

position. So that's another thing. I mean, like you said, they're going to have to pay Kirk over $40 million a year. No, it doesn't add up But God, I wish it would happen. I mean, look, they have the cap space. You know, they're one of the teams that has the cap space that could do it, and they could still go out and add some big pieces.

And then, you know, look, the argument would be this, all right, from those that aren't even thinking about number two. Like they don't want a quarterback. You know, the got to trade back people, which, you know, I understand. I'm not criticizing the trade back people. if you believe that none of the quarterbacks make any sense to you. Okay, if that's your position, you don't like any of the quarterbacks that could be there at number two for Washington.

You're not a Daniels fan. You're not a May fan. You're not a McCarthy fan. Like, none of these guys make any sense. And you'd rather do something else. And I think a lot of those people, some of them, want to see it run back with Sam Hal. I have no interest in seeing that at all. I want Sam Hal here as a backup potentially.

I'd be fine with that, but they got to do better than Sam Hal. But I think that I don't even know what I was about to say there. I lost my train of thought. Just the idea that you're unconvinced and, you know, you trade back and you accumulate lots of picks and you make another. That's what I think some people would be like, no, sign Kirk. trade back, more picks, maybe pick somebody like Pennix Jr. to sit behind him for two years in the second round or Bo Nix or somebody like that or Rattler, you know, but let's go build around him and let's try to win 10 games next year and the year after.

I don't see that happening. I just don't. I don't see that happening either. And, you know, the thought I've entered, my mind that they would like to, ideally, you'd like to hit the ground running when you open a new stadium with a team that's ready to compete for a championship. That's the best of both worlds. But they may be so far away from opening a new stadium. Right? That you can't wait. That's not going to come into play. Yeah. We're talking about 2029 or maybe 2030 at this point. Yeah. They better be hoping to win before then.

I know that. Yeah. Yes. So, I mean... I don't think it's going to happen, but I'd be rooting for it. It would be wild, man. It would be really wild. I just don't think...

It would be. And let me be clear that I don't... As much as I love Kirk and the idea of him in his skin's uniform again, there would be, I would be pumped about it. I just don't think it's the right. thing. I don't want to see them do that. I want to see them draft Jaden Daniels. That's what I want to see. Or Drake May or Caleb Williams. I think that there's going to be a quarterback at number two that is absolutely worth the swing. And so you don't know when you're going to be back in that position.

So take the swing right now. Yeah. Anyway. All right. We got other things to get to. Ben actually in his column this morning in the athletic had some news related to what Washington is thinking about the quarterback position. We'll get to that more right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelley's. Okay, well, Shelley's back room is first and foremost a cigar bar. A cigar bar that has so many other things going for it, sometimes we forget that it is primarily a cigar bar. I mean, they have a great food menu, remarkable drink selection. It's a great location, you know, lots of comfortable chairs and couches and TVs to watch sporting events.

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That would be cool. I don't know. All of a sudden it just popped in my head. You know, Suddy Herceton. No one thing's just pop in your head. Yes, the S.J.9. The SJ.9. Yeah.

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Washington's decision makers returned home without a definitive outcome, according to internal sources. I mean, they shouldn't have a definitive outcome at this point. Look at what the opinions are from the so-called experts on all these guys. They're all over the place. They just met with these guys for the first time, and it was 15 minutes. It's going to take some time.

I know you hate to hear this. I mean, I guess all Josh should do is pick up the phone and call Mike Shanahan and ask him, although actually that would be some good advice. That would be good advice as it relates to the quarterback. But this is going to take time. There are pro days. Here's what's interesting, though, just about the timeline on this. So we are essentially a week away from the tampering period and free agency beginning and then, you know, I don't know, 12 days away.

Not even, 11 days away from free agency beginning. And so we're going to learn a bit about where they are, not in terms of who they're leaning towards. but in terms of what they're leaning towards doing, because if they don't like any of the quarterbacks, and they should have enough of an opinion about whether or not any of these guys on tape would work for them. My guess is the reason they don't have a definitive opinion at this point is because there's some guys there that they like, but they got to figure out which of the two, say May and Daniels, who knows, maybe McCarthy, which of the three they're going to make a move towards.

But what if at the beginning of free agency they made a move for Justin Fields? Like it got reported Washington offered a little bit less than Pittsburgh offered, and the Bears traded Fields to the Steelers. Or what if they actually were interested in Kirk Cousins and made a move towards Cousins? That would tell us a lot. I'm not predicting that there's going to be any activity next week or any reporting about Washington making a move for anything other than maybe a veteran backup quarterback, which also would be a bit telling as well. But we could know in about 12 or 13 days what their real intentions are on the quarterback. Oh, yeah, obviously.

In terms of what they're going to do. If there's legitimate, if there's legitimate, credible information out there that they made it move to try to get Justin Fields, then you know they've got doubts about who's available at number two. I just don't see that happening. I just don't see that happening at all at this point. Here's the other thing, that they don't have their opinions formed yet after coming back from the, the combine. You know, they haven't been together that long as a group. Right.

Right. They really haven't. You know, so, I mean, so it's, it would, I mean, you know, if they're really into the process and process takes time, and they have to do it together as a group, and there's lots of voices to be heard. So that's going to take some time. So it doesn't surprise me either that they would come back.

unless somebody blew them away, and I don't think anyone had the opportunity to do unless they blew them away in the interview. Yeah. I guess we'd have to ask Josh Harris about that. I think it's going to be interesting to see if they make a move on a veteran backup. You know, I think actually what we'll learn more next week or the next couple of weeks is whether or not they view Sam, is at least a backup quarterback for this team on a rookie deal, a rookie fifth round deal. Because if they try to re-sign Jacoby Burset, or if they go out and try to sign Tyrod Taylor, or, you know, Gardner Minshew.

Or an Andy Dalton or something like that. Yeah, well, yeah, there are a couple of guys here that you wouldn't necessarily, like if they went out and signed Andy Dalton or Ryan Tannahill, then I'd start thinking, Dalton even a free agent? I don't even know if Dalton's a free agent. But if they went out and signed Ryan Tannahill as an example, all right? You'd have to think, or even a Sam Darnold, you'd have to think, well, they view them as a potential starter. They might be bringing those guys in to compete with Sam Hal and like a second round quarterback that they take. But if they went after an absolute backup like Jacoby

Brissette, who I've been reading definitely will have a market in New England because Alex Van Pelt, who was in Cleveland as the offensive coordinator under Kevin Stifansky, really liked Brissette apparently. So Van Peltz with Mayo is the head coach, Van Peltz, the offensive coordinator in New England. And there's been a lot of discussion about both Flacco and Brissette to New England to mentor whomever they take at number three and potentially start. You know, Flacco being in Cleveland was with Van Pelt this year, et cetera. But if they don't go out and they don't have to do it right away. You know, this could be one of those things where they wait and they wait for the market to soften a little bit on a guy that they want, you know, I don't know, a Josh Dobbs or I'm just looking through the list of free agent where, you know, Tyler Huntley, not Tyler Huntley, but a Tyrod Taylor, you know, a true backup that they'd be bringing in.

If they make a move early in free agency on a veteran backup, then they're telling you that they're going to draft somebody at number two, which I think they're going to do, and that Sam Howell may not be back, and maybe they'll trade Sam Howell to somebody that's interested in a young backup backing up a veteran quarterback somewhere, like in Aaron Rogers, as an example in New York. Yeah, I don't see. I mean, it's traditional thinking, but I think it makes sense.

I don't see having another young quarterback as a backup quarterback to a young quarterback. I know it's formula for you. I know that's the formula, the veteran backup with the young quarterback, but there's a reason that that's a formula. I mean, because you want to teach, you want to set a tone in the quarterback room. a professional NFL tone in a quarterback room. Okay, and you want a veteran to be able to do that. If they don't have that with Kingsbury, with Tevita Pritchard,

with David Blow, with Brian Johnson, I mean, they got a hell of an offensive. It's got to be a player sometime. Yeah, but, you know, like a Brissette is going to cost, you know, some real money. Like, he was the top of the market, you know, back up last year. And he's the top of the market back up this year. Well, they got money.

And Brissette may have a better chance, you know, somewhere else at actually starting. That's true. That's true. But, yeah, I think, you know, next week starts the period in which action can actually be taken. Now, you can sign your own like Tampa did with Mike Evans today. And, you know, Minnesota could wrap up a deal. with Cousins before he hits the open market or, you know, Tampa with Baker Mayfield, et cetera. But we're going to start learning more at the beginning of the NFL, you know,

annual calendar with the beginning of free agency. And I would, I don't know what to expect. I honestly am not predicting anything other than they take a quarterback at number two. Like if I were an odds maker, that would be a massive favorite that they take a quarterback. quarterback at number two overall. And so with that, then I think it'll be interesting to just see what they decide to do at backup quarterback. The other benefit, of course, of taking a veteran, you know, is that, I mean, let's face it,

Jacoby Brissette stepped in and played very well with the same offensive line, with the same offensive coordinator, et cetera. So there was something different about Jacoby Brissette running the offense than Sam Howell at the end of the year. Yes. You know, all of the talk about Sam and what, you know, the opportunity wasn't fair and they had a terrible offensive line. I've reminded you guys of this a few times.

And the analytics say that the offensive line was middle of the pack. Now, I didn't think it was a very good offensive line either. My eyes told me this is not a good offensive line. But they were 14th in pass block win rate per next gen. they were in that general area for pretty much the entire year. I think what happens with offensive line discussion, Tommy, is that there aren't a lot of good offensive lines in the league. There are a lot of teams that have really subpar offensive lines.

So you're getting ranked compared to the rest of the league. So there are lots of teams with offensive line issues. And so Washington, though, I think, you know, I think ultimately the combination, of some of these advanced numbers on the O line and then just watching with our own eyes what Jacoby Berset came in and did with the same group

tells you that a big part of the problem last year was Sam Howell. And I think that this new group will see a lot of that, which leads me to probably lean in the direction of they may try to go out and get a veteran backup. That if they have to start somebody at the beginning of 2024 and play that somebody for three or four games, they've got a better chance of being competitive.

I would guess that. I would guess that. I don't know who it would be. I mean, Berset would be awesome, but Berset may have better opportunities. Tyrod Taylor's always been a player that I've liked and thought was better than, you know, his standing. What would be an angry or fan base?

Not drafting a quarterback at number two or trading for Kirk Corp? citing Kirk Cousins. And, oh, they're not drafting a quarterback or, and then trading for Cousins. Well, those... Not signing a quarterback, not signing a quarterback number two. Not drafting one. Not drafting one. And then signing Cousins.

You can't do one without the other. I'm trying to compare which one would make, but they're both connected. Yeah, I put out a poll the other day. I'm pulling it up right now. on Friday on radio, I put out the following poll. What would your reaction be if Washington decided to pass

on a quarterback at number two and instead traded back for picks and selected a non-QB? And I gave three answers. You'd be disgusted. You'd be upset, but you'd trust in Adam Peters. You know, that's the benefit of the

doubt mode. Or you'd be thrilled thinking it was the right move. Well, the winner was you'd be upset, but you'd trust in Peters at 51.2%. Of course. The other two were almost dead even, although a slight nod to people being thrilled, they think they should trade back. That was at 25.8%. I know I've beat this to death, but you cannot pass on a quarterback at number two if you

really like one. You just can't. There's no, that's the way you, that's the tried and true way to create a sustained winner in today's football is to land on one of those top seven, eight quarterbacks in the league, top five quarterbacks, somebody special. And they don't have anybody special. And I know that this sounds, you know, just repetitive as hell, but there's no quarterback store to go to in three years when you've got a really good roster. This is your chance if you like one. Now, if they say we don't like any of them, you don't know what we know about Jaden, Daniels, Drake May, J.J. McCarthy, Pennix, Jr. and Bo Nix. But trust me, if you knew what we know, you wouldn't want them either. So we didn't have a choice. We had to take Marvin

Harrison, or we had to take a tackle, or we had to trade back. That's the only way that it would be acceptable to me. Now, if they traded back but still took the quarterback that they love the most, or took a quarterback that was dead even. Let's just say McCarthy has the same grade that they've got on May and Daniels. And they can trade back and get McCarthy at six with the Giants or, you know, at 12 with Denver. Well, then that's smart. I would applaud that. But if they...

How did J.C. McCarthy become such a hot ticket? everybody predicted that once he started to interview that he would blow people away with the intangibles and he was a really good college quarterback a winning college quarterback a you know a national championship college quarterback i just never ever saw it i just never really understood why people were projecting him at one point at one point McCarthy was way ahead head of Daniels. You know, it was really, before this season started, it was much more about Williams and May.

You know, Caleb was the absolute number one and then May. Right. But there's a lot we don't know, obviously. I mean, he measured in, I think, a little bit shorter than most people thought, but it's still fine. It's six, two and a half. And when they really needed him in some of those games this year against Alabama and the national semi-final game, he came up big.

He came up really big. I thought he was terrible to start that semifinal game, though. Through that ball that should have been picked and did throw a pick, I think. But people, all the NFL experts said, once McCarthy got in front of coaches and evaluators, they were going to love him. And he may be, look, we didn't get to see J.J. McCarthy. Many of you, by the way, have sent me this thing about McCarthy having more

past attempts than Jaden Daniels. Yeah, because LSU scored so quickly. And by the way, a lot of times they scored because Daniels ran. Like they were the, I talked about this on the podcast the other day, Tommy.

Just some of the context around some of the so-called advanced negatives on Daniels and even May. They face the fewest third downs of any team in college football. They were so explosive. They just kept scoring and scoring on first or second down over and over again.

I mean, they rarely got stopped. So he just didn't have to, you know, these were short drives. Michigan different, plotting, longer drive, you know, dominate time of possession. LSU had the fewest third downs in the country and were the number one third down conversion team. I've told you guys this a million times. It's the best offense that I've seen in college football in years. If their defense hadn't have been so terrible, I think they would have won the national championship this year.

I don't think anybody would have stopped them. But their defense was horrendous. It was all-time bad. All right. Well, next week is the beginning of what should be, we actually may have something definitive that we're learning about their position on the quarterbacks. Yeah. You know, March 11th through 13th.

The 11th is that, you know, tampering period, and then 13th, which is two days, a week from Wednesday, starts the beginning of free agency. I mean, we'll have a lot of news on Monday and Tuesday next week for sure. All right. There's a few other things we wanted to get to to finish up the show, and we will do that right after these. words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show brought to you by Window Nation. March is a critical time to check your home's windows. If yours are cracked, leaking, won't open or stay open.

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with the second overall pick. He basically said, defensive coaches go nuts for quarterbacks that can make play off schedule and that Daniels is clearly the best at that in this class. He mentions May being mobile but says he's not, and it's true, he's not Jaden Daniels off schedule. I think, well, first of all, remember, Dan Quinn told the junkies in that word association thing about Daniels, game changer. But you know what? I totally hear Charles Davis on defensive coaches. I mean, no offense to the Mannings and the Brady's and the Cousins.

They all recognize how great those guys are. Don't get me wrong, Manning and Brady, not necessarily Cousins. I didn't mean to lump Cousins with Manning and Brady. But defensive coaches will tell you there's just nothing that is more worrisome than game planning for a guy that just can kill you off schedule. Well, yeah. Yeah, they spend all day, Sunday afternoons chasing those guys. Yeah.

Absolutely. So when Quinn said about May, he said athletic, about Daniels, he said, game changer. That was the first thing that popped into the mind of a defensive coordinator. You know, like, I wouldn't want a game plan against these guys when they get good. But anyway, that was another, look, these opinions are coming in from everything. I looked up to see if there was any kind of link between Davis and Quinn to see if it was actually coming from Quinn, which I don't think it would be. But Davis did call Falcons preseason games when Quinn was there, I think one of the years. But that's it.

I wanted, before we get to the thing that you were going to get to on, what do they call that thing that you, what's it called? Tragedy chanting. Tragedy chanting. We're going to talk tragedy chanting. We're going to talk tragedy chanting on the show here in a bit. I just wanted to talk real quickly about Maryland, who lost yesterday to Indiana at home. You actually texted me during the game. Yeah, I was watching it.

Oh, you were watching. I was excited in the first half because they had so many points in the paint. They had so many points in the paint. Yeah, that's what you tweeted. They also had more threes than they've had in a long time, too. And the points that they scored in the game, they had 43 at halftime. Most of their games are typically, you know, 27, 25 at how, 38, you know, 34, 33 or something like that. So a couple of things for you, Terp fans, that were disgusted with a blown 16 point second half lead. Yeah, they were up by 16, and then they couldn't guard Indiana the rest of the way. They were up 51 to 35. They lost the game 83 to 78.

actually went from down 16 to down 11 at one point. So there was a 27 point swing in the game. So that was the last home game of the year. Maryland is 15 and 15. They are 7 and 12 in the Big 10. And this has been a very disappointing season, Tommy. Even though I have actually really respected the effort defensively that they've given and even the coaching behind that, yesterday it all kind of, they kind of ran out of gas. I was talking to somebody early this morning before the radio show started about it. And we just talked about how it just appeared as if they had defended so hard night in and night out.

And they actually started to score a little bit in the first half. So they let down their guard defensively and then they just couldn't get it back. I mean, they got scored on at will. They gave up 50 in the second half to an Indiana. a team that isn't even that good. I mean, keep in mind, nobody has even scored more than 70, like three or four times against them in the entire season. They held Rutgers last week to 46 for the game, and they gave up 50 to Indian in the second

half. But here's what I wanted to talk about. So I've gotten a lot of correspondence, tweets, emails, et cetera, not only after yesterday's game against Indiana, but really for the last four to six weeks, maybe a little bit longer, from very passionate Maryland basketball fans like I am, suggesting that they've seen enough and that it's time to move on from Kevin Willard as the head coach. So I'll get to that in a moment, but I do understand the frustration, the emotions of this particular season. This was supposed to be a team that contended in the top echelon of the Big Ten. They were picked

as high as third before the season began. They were just barely outside the top 25 rankings when the season began. They were supposed to be an easy tournament team come March, which we're in now. And the season just hasn't gone that way for a number of reasons. They had a player in Ian Martinez that jumped into the portal last spring when they thought he was coming back and would be a big part of team. They had a shooter that they got from Loyola, Marymount, Chance Stevens, who was injured all year. The freshmen didn't play as well or took them longer to become impactful than Kevin thought. And the season's been very disappointing. This program hasn't had but one losing season in 31 years. And that was the Danny Manning interim season when he took over for Turg in early

December and they went 15 and 17 in 2021, 2022. Other than that season, which is kind of an outlier because of this situation of having an interim coach, they have not had a losing season since 1992-93. That was the first year off of probation. The next year, Gary, went 18 and 12. They went to the tournament and they went on a major run that culminated in a national championship in 2002. And basically, if you take out the probation years and you take out, you know, a year or two from Bob Wade and the Danny Manning year, Maryland, for the better part of 50-plus years in men's basketball, has either been really good, good, or pretty good, decent.

almost all years for 50-something-plus years, Maryland has certainly been a team you thought might be able to contend for an NCAA tournament bid. I mean, the years that you knew that they couldn't are so few and far between. And even those years, they didn't end up with a losing record. And this year, they may end up with a losing record. In fact, it's likely at this point that they'll end up with a losing record. And so I understand the frustration. I understand the disappointment over this year.

But two things on Kevin Willard. There is no chance that Maryland is going to fire Kevin Willard. He is in the second year of a seven-year deal that for the most part is almost completely guaranteed. All right. So that ain't happening. Maryland is not a school that can afford to fire a coach with five years left on his deal. That's not going to happen.

But more importantly, it shouldn't happen. I mean, are you people serious? You're the same people that screamed at me for being a turgeon, apologist when Mark had gone to the tournament six out of seven years. They had been ranked six out of seven years, four of those years in the top 15, three of those years in the top 10. They had finished pretty much top five regular.

in the Big Ten. He had won more games in the Big Ten in his time there, except for Izo and Painter. And you guys kept calling me an apologist, and I said, be careful. Be careful what you wish for. I understand it's not as good in March as it was with Gary. You know, I'd like to advance to the Sweet 16 more than once in seven years also. I get that, and I think Maryland basketball is certainly capable of more. The March results had gotten a little stale, and it's unfortunate that his 2020 team, which was his best team, couldn't play an NCAA tournament because I think that team had a long run in it. But Mark Turgeon was a good coach. And trust me, Kevin Willard is a good coach. Kevin Willard also has a challenge in coaching in this era

that TURG didn't have, Gary didn't have, Lefty didn't have, and that is Transfer Portal and NIL. It's a completely different ballgame. And so when you, every year, you are re-recruiting your own players, you are constructing for all intents and purposes almost a brand new roster. So last year was not a great job by Kevin. I will grant you that.

but he had the feeling that he had two players that would be significant contributors and didn't have either one of them. And I have to say that, you know, I watched every single game this year start to finish. That was a very good coaching job on the floor what he and that staff got out of this group. One of the worst offensive teams in Maryland basketball history, maybe the worst offensive teams. team and yet every single game for two months plus they've been in and had a chance to win. They just didn't get the ball to fall a couple of times more in each game. And that would have been the difference between a team that would look like an overachieving tournament team versus an overachieving defensively anyway, but underachieving based on expectations season.

he's not going anywhere, nor should he go anywhere. Man, this is like, and real quickly, Tommy, I'm part of it because this is my passion. You know, it's been the skins and turps hoops pretty much 1-1A for my entire life, all right? And this actually really does matter. I get into these games. I want it to be good. I want them to be relevant.

And it's, you know, I know what our fan base is. I've been a part of it for my entire life. It's a bitchy fan base at times, man. Every time we lose, it's the refs fault. And every time there is just a slightly less than expected season, it's time to fire the coach. We're not that program anymore. I used to remember Tommy talk about how I would say Maryland is,

you know, maybe not a top 10 program, but it's a top 10 to top 15 job. when it comes available for a number of reasons. You know, facilities, conference, tradition, history, recruiting area, et cetera. The fan base being super passionate. The fan base is becoming more bandwagony than it's ever been. You see it in the crowds. You know, you just never typically see students in February when they're back, not post at the levels that they've posted, not posted at.

Yesterday it looked better, but I heard it wasn't great. And it's the passion is less than it used to be. It's much harder now because you've got to have big, you know, NIL capability. Maryland doesn't have some of the capability that some of the teams they are competing with have. And you just can't, you know, after a disappointing season, start screaming, it's the coach's fault. because where are you going to turn next? Where are you going to go? Like it's not the top 15 job it used to be.

It's probably more like a top 25 job now, you know, because NIL is so crucial to anybody that's here. I guarantee you that had Kevin known that transfer portal NIL, and this was going to become a massive part of the game, and Maryland would not have sort of the same capability, He'd still have taken the job because it was a great deal that Marilyn offered Kevin Willard. But they're not firing him, and they shouldn't fire him. Turg was a good coach.

Willard's a good coach. We'll see what happens. Will I feel this way with two more seasons like this one? Probably not. But they got a five-star commitment in Derek Queen. Let's see what comes off of that. They're going to lose some players. I got a bunch of seniors.

You saw that yesterday. But you can't fire him. You shouldn't fire him. He's a damn good coach. This is a guy that's won a shitload of games everywhere he's been. All right. He's, you know, he won at Iona in his final year, won at Seton Hall. You know, took that team to the tournament four or five times.

You know, in the last six, seven years he was coaching there. In fact, his resume is very similar in his. his last six or seven years at Seton Hall, as Turgis was here at Maryland. But I actually, you know, I liked Mark. I like Kevin a lot, too. It's not just because I know them. It's not because, you know, I'm trying to kiss up as a media member. No, if I didn't like them as a coach, if I didn't think they could coach,

you'd hear me talking about it. I mean, there are some, you know, late game fouling situations that have been head scratchers for me. I think they should have fouled a lot earlier in a couple of these games. But, man, he got a lot out of this team, a team that could not score. They were in every single game. Yesterday was a disappointing end to the home part of the regular season. And yeah, they're going to end up with a losing record. That's not what we're used to at all. Understood. All right. Anyway, Tommy. I understand. Look, I drift in and out of this thing. You know, so I'm not committed to watching them.

I haven't seen them much this year. I did watch yesterday. And I understand if you're talking about a reaction like that you that you've experienced in the past 24 hours, I sort of understand that

because, I mean, it was a bad look yesterday. It really was. I mean, getting stripped of the ball on the inbound pass, you know, they just, they look like, a team that was lost. They melted down. They melted down.

It's the first time it's happened this year in a while. I could understand that reaction. Yeah, I got it. I mean, if I was a Maryland fan and watched the second half of that game, I'd say fire everybody too. I know you can't do that,

but I understand based on what I saw yesterday reaction. You know, when I said this will be their first losing season in over 30 years, not counting the interim season with Danny Manning. That's amazing. Like, they've never sucked. And this year, they're just not a good team. They fought hard. Fought really hard, but they're just not a good team. So anyway.

Speaking of Gary Williams, happy birthday, Gary. Today's his birthday. Well, happy birthday, Gary, Hall of Famer. Let's look this up. He's 79. years old. Wow. Yeah. Gary always looks 20 years younger than he is. Yes. He's a pretty good coach. We've had a couple of really good ones. We've had two Hall of Famers, and Terge was a good coach, and Kevin's a good coach. So leave him alone. All right. What did you want to finish with?

Well, I read this story in The Athletic based on a soccer game between Manchester City and Manchester United. A fan has been arrested on suspicion of mocking the Munich Air disaster during the game. The Munich Air disaster was a plane accident involving Manchester United, which killed 23 people. It's a very sad chapter in the history of the club. And there was a video that showed a man in the home section. I guess they played at Manchester City, basically like pretending to be an airplane, you know, which they took as a reference to this accident.

And then he was kicked out of the stadium and then arrested on suspicion of tragedy. chanting. I mean, first of all, sick. Sick people. But I had never heard the term tragedy chanting. I'm assuming you had neither. Neither have I. Tragedy chanting, according to the story, is when fans engage in deeply offensive songs

that reference fatal accidents or stadium disasters that involve players, fans, or officials. of rival clubs. And according to the law that exists, a Public Order Act of 1986 provides for situations where threatening or abusive language can meet the threshold for arrest and prosecution. So this guy was arrested for really off-color cheering at a sporting event. What's the punishment?

It doesn't say. I don't know. I'm reading about this accident because there's a Wikipedia page on plane crashes involving sports teams. You know, there were a lot many, many years ago, like through the 50s you've got, or through the 70s, you have most of them, actually. But the 58 Manchester United accident, eight players, three club staff members killed when their plane failed to take off on. its third attempt. And it was a British European Airways Airspeed AS 57. I don't even know what kind of plane that is. Happened in Munich.

That's awful. But as you scroll down on this Wikipedia page, here are the U.S. ones. Of course, we all know the Marshall. We are Marshall, which was 75 killed 46 team members. total 75 killed. But you know, before that, the month before that, the Wichita State University football team plane crashed and 31 died. Did you know that? That one month before the Marshall crash? I did not know that. Wichita State's football team in Cherry Creek, Colorado, 14 players

and coach Ben Wilson killed. 31 total. on board, dead? This is, and then I remember this one. I remember Evansville basketball team in 1977. The entire team except for one player coaching staff, members of the press, boosters, plane crew all killed in a crash shortly after takeoff from Evansville heading to Middle Tennessee State.

The sole team member who did not board the plane died in a car crash two weeks later. What? What? Holy mackerel Oh my God So when it reads The entire team save one player

Died I was thinking the one player survived the plane crash No the one player Didn't board the plane And then died two weeks later in a car crash Jesus 1970 Holy shit That is terrible

Um I remember this, 2001, Oklahoma State's men's basketball team, charter flight, 10 killed two players, some team staff in media. Oklahoma State also had a plane crash for their women's basketball team. Yeah. You know, have you ever thought, I mean, knock on wood, why are we having this conversation? But can you imagine?

No, you're going down a pass. That has people shutting off the podcast right and left. I don't know. I think a lot of people are into that show air disasters. I watch it all the time. Oh, my God. Can you imagine? How do you have the time to watch a show about air disasters?

You know, our very good friend, Steve Buck Hans, is a pilot. And Buck was the one that I sort of, in my first, you know, and my first job ever was working for Buck at Channel 5. And there was the plane crash in Iowa, in Sioux City, Iowa. It was the DC-10, and there's video of that crash. I think it's Flight 232. And Buck was glued to the TV, and I was right there next to him, and we were just sitting there watching the whole thing unfold.

and whenever plane crashes happen, Buck and I end up having all these conversations about it. He's fascinated with it. A lot of people are fascinated with plane crashes. You didn't know that? Maybe the same people that are interested in having... Yeah, are fascinated with ear brushing to go to sleep. But can you imagine... Can you imagine...

You're fascinated with plane crashes. Can you imagine if a pro team in any of the major sports? I think every league has a contingency plan to basically create a new team if that happens. They do? I think so. Hold on. Tell me what you know. This is interesting.

So in like the teams have some sort of commitment to like, replace everybody as quickly as possible? I think so. Business goes on? Baseball does. Yeah. I'm looking at NFL in-season disaster contingency plan. Is that a good Google search? Let's see if anybody's...

In a disaster, 15 or more lost players, the NFL's commissioner would decide. whether or not to continue the team's season. If it were to continue, the near-disaster plan would go into effect. If not, a restocking draft would take place in the off-season. In addition, the team would get the number one pick in the upcoming draft. Well, at least it's not the number two pick. Yeah, in baseball, if the commissioner decides that the club can continue to play,

the commissioner may hold a restocking draft to allow this to. stable club to select as many players that they lost. I'm thinking that I don't think that would happen quickly. If it happened during a season, I don't see how you could pick up and feel the team. The NFL has two contingency plans. They call one of them the disaster plan, which is what I just read, in which 15 or more players are killed or lost for the season. What does that mean?

I mean, 15 or more players lost for the season. We probably had close to that before. The commissioner decides whether the team will continue its season if it does the near disaster plan. Okay, so the near disaster plan is in which fewer than 15 players are killed or lost for the season. Teams would be required to play out the season, but would receive priority on all waiver claims. Oh, my God.

NBA, if a disaster occurs in which five or more players die or are dismembered, the league will hold a disaster draft to replace the individuals who are lost. Teams unaffected by the disaster, each would be allowed to protect five players. There we have it. There's a whole long one for hockey. It says Major League Baseball doesn't have a lot. plan or declines to release their plan, their contingency plan. Yeah.

Well. I think they're worried it would upset people. This was, you know, like this conversation. This was a nice upbeat way to end the show today. Just a little bit of tragedy podcasting here. This was, we were definitely in the mode of, of chanting, tragedy chanting. We weren't really chanting it. We were just describing it.

No. We were. All right. I think it was an informative show there at the end. I'm sure. Oh, look, if you watch air disaster shows, I'm sure you do. I think it was informative. I bet you a lot of people listening had no idea what these league's contingency plans were for a major disaster.

And I'm thinking they could have gotten their whole lives without ever knowing. You know what? I hope we all go the rest of our lives without ever. ever knowing or having to hear this again because it's actually being implemented. That would be awful. But I have thought about that before. I mean, I've thought about, can you imagine like if, you know, something happened en route to the Super Bowl one year?

I mean, it would just be devastating. By the way, it would be economically devastating. Yes, it would. We're done for the day. I'll be back tomorrow. Thanks, Tom. Please.