The Kevin Sheehan Show - Scherff Tagged

Episode Date: March 9, 2021

Kevin was joined by Doc Walker today for much of the show to discuss Brandon Scherff getting a 2nd franchise tag and much more on WFT. They discussed the Dak Prescott contract and touched on a few other NFL-related topics too.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. One of them hasn't played it down. The other one's a guard. Jay Gruden, a few years ago,

when referring to Scott McLuhan's first two first round picks in 2015 and 2016, Josh Doxon and a guard. He was not super happy about either one. You'll hear what Jay Gruden said to me a few weeks ago, if you remember, specifically about that comment. But we opened the show with the news that Washington has used the franchise tag on Brandon Sheriff once again. And then Doc Walker will be my guest after that. So Washington uses a second straight franchise tag on Brandon Sheriff, 15 plus

million last year, 18 plus million this year. Brandon Sheriff becomes the highest paid guard in the league by about $3 million over Brandon Sheriff's $20,20 deal of $15 million. Brandon Sheriff, by getting a second consecutive tag, now has very little incentive, in my view, to strike a long-term deal with the team. More importantly, for me, it means that more likely than not Brandon Sheriff will play 2021 in Washington for $18 million and then leave via unrestricted free agency

because the team will not be able to sign him to a third tag or to tag him for a third time. It's way too cost prohibitive. It's too cost prohibitive now. My opinion on this hasn't changed. I would not have tagged Brandon Sheriff. I would have tried to work out a long-term deal somewhere in the neighborhood of $15 million plus.

You know, over, you know, if you just call it four years and you call it 60, maybe you give them, you know, 50, 55% of it guaranteed. If it's over five years and it's $75 million and you can get away with 35 to 40 million guaranteed somewhere in that neighborhood. And if he didn't want it, I would have moved on. Brandon Sheriff's a really good player. He was a first team all pro player this year.

I don't know if he's a first team all pro player, but he was. I mean, he was voted that. I'm talking about in terms of ranking him against other guards in the game. He is a terrific locker room guy. He is, as Ron Rivera is referred to in the past. Our better players need to be our better workers. That's Brandon Sheriff to a team. I've mentioned this many times that if you are a fan like I am and you're trying to determine what they're going to do in this off season, use character as a key decision data point.

Like if you're trying to figure out what are they going to do in the draft, what are they going to do in free agency, are they going to make any trades? The players that you're thinking about them moving on and trading for or acquiring, you should have a handle on what kind of teammate they are, what kind of character they have, what kind of person they are. Because Brandon Sheriff and tagging Sheriff is an illustration in my view. It's reflective of Ron Rivera believing, I got to have Brandon Sheriff. I would rather have them on a long-term deal, but Brandon Sheriff represents the kind of person I want in this organization. That's why I've said before, I'd be very surprised if John Allen isn't extended before the opener in 2021. He is a favorite of Ron Rivera in that coaching staff, and he's a good player. But he's one of their better players and better workers. You can say, well, he's not as good as

ionitis or he's not as good as Duran Payne. And, you know, how are they going to sign Montez-Swet and Chase Young in pain if they also extend John Allen? John Allen is a good player. Sometimes that gets lost in that conversation. He's a really good player. He would start for almost any other team in the league and be a really good player on almost any other team in the league. He is on a young defensive front that's loaded with talent. But he's part of that. But he is a Ron Rivera guy. Brandon Sheriff is a Ron Rivera guy.

They want these kinds of people in the organization. So Kevin, why didn't they sign him to a long-term deal last year? Well, Rivera remember, said, I'm not making any big moves on anybody that I haven't gotten to know. I mean, Trent Williams was a big part of that. Quentin Dunbar, they had a sense of who Dunbar was. they were totally willing to move on from Dunbar. The opportunity was two off seasons ago to get Brandon Sheriff, to be aggressive, to extend him.

Bruce Allen made, according to, you know, the people that I've talked to, you know, the typical Bruce Allen low ball offer. And it didn't go over well with Sheriff. And even if that was just Bruce's negotiating style and he was looking for a counteroffer, the bottom line is it put the team into a position last year where Sheriff was either going to get tagged or get a really good long-term deal, and the team wasn't in position last year they didn't feel to offer them a big-time long-term deal. So they signed them to the one-year tag.

We've learned what the tag is. The tag, if you're a really good player, really more likely than not, has a chance to benefit the player more than the team. The franchise tag was designed to protect the team, to benefit the team, with the really good players that they couldn't sign that they wouldn't, you know, then lose. They could tag them to keep them. and they had to pay them an average of the top five at their position. The interesting thing about the guard position is it's combined with the tackle position.

So the average of the top five guards and tackles is what Brandon Sheriff got in the tag last year and then add 20% to that in a year two tag. 18 million bucks, a little bit over 18 million. My big problem with this is as follows. It's a lot of money for a guard. They have the space this year. but it's going to lead to them losing him next year. A tag in trade might be an idea.

I don't think that that's what's going on here. I think that they're hopeful that he'll sign some sort of long-term deal before the July 15th deadline, but he doesn't have any incentive to do it. 33 million bucks in two years, and all he's got to do is wait a year for a bidding war in free agency for his services. Now, there's risk there. you know, if he were to get injured. I don't like it.

I think it's too much money. But at the same time, I do understand what Ron Rivera's trying to do and the predicament they have. He's missed a third of his games over the last three years. 16 at a 48 regular season games he's been injured for. The position is not as important as the other positions on the offensive line, specifically any of the tackle positions, even though the position of guard has become more important

in recent years. He's a really good player, but is he truly elite? Should he have the top-level guard contract in the NFL with his recent injury history? It's a tough predicament for the team. Ron Rivera wants to continue with the number one goal of changing the culture, especially on the football side of the operation. Brandon Sheriff is a big part of that. He loves Brandon Sheriff. I had some quotes here from the Nikki Javala story in the post on this that she had, that I I'd forgotten even. And let me read some of them to you from Ron Rivera about Brandon Sheriff. Throughout the season, Rivera lauded sheriff for his resiliency and overcoming injuries,

saying he is a guy that's in it for the long haul, and he's in it for his teammates. He also praised Sheriff for his reliability amid constant change on offense. It doesn't matter, quote, it doesn't matter who he lines up next to. He's a great communicator. think that's as important as it gets. He does a great job, closed quote. Rivera loves Brandon Sheriff. He's a team guy. He wants more of these kinds of guys. He didn't want to lose him after one year. And the only choice he had because they had tagged him last year was to tag him for a second year. Once you start down that franchise tag path, if you're young and you're good,

it's going to benefit you more likely than the team. We've seen that over and over again. And we saw it with the Dak Prescott signing as well. The Cowboys did get a Mink, but my God, what they could have gotten them for three years ago if they had been aggressive and been decisive versus what they had to pay for this one. Anyway, netting it out, I don't love it. I wouldn't have done it.

I would have done my best to get a long-term deal, and if it didn't work out, I would have said goodbye. But I understand the position they're in. I understand what they're trying to do from a culture standpoint. You know, it's one of those things where I think it's a lot of money, and I think that they're going to lose them next year. But at the same time, you know, maybe they feel like with their group, with their offensive line coach John Matzko,

and if they have another good season, that maybe they can convince Brandon between now and the 15th, doubtful, but maybe from the end of next season and before the 2022 season, to stick around and sign a long-term deal then. Who knows? My prediction is he'll play on the tag at $18 million, and he will hit free agency. literally about a year from now.

And that more likely than not, they'll lose them, the history of guys that have signed a tag, a second tag, is that they lose the player after that final tag. That's the history of the tag. There are only two players that I could find earlier this morning that stuck around after multiple tags. And those players were Walter Jones in Seattle. If you recall, Walter Jones is the only player in the history.

of the league to sign three tags. He got tagged by the Seattle Seahawks three times. And Demarcus Lawrence in Dallas played under two tags and then stayed with the team. That's it. Every other player that's had multiple tags and there are at least 13 to 15 of them have ended up after that second tag going elsewhere. All right, Doc Walker, when we come back right after this word from one of our sponsors. All right, my guest today is my longtime friend from 980, Doc Walker. Doc's joining us today. I gave him plenty of time to get ready for this segment.

Actually, I didn't, and he mocked me a little bit. I texted him and I said, hey, any chance you can join me this morning at 930? And you said, I'll make time. Thanks for the heads up with a big thumbs up. But really, I only gave you 30 minutes to prepare. I didn't call you last night. I didn't let you know today. I just have been a little bit disorganized.

My fault, but I'm so glad you make the time. You know what you do? You always make time for me, and it's much appreciated. How are you? Well, you know, I sleep standing up. So when you call, I'm ready to go. You have to be an opportunistic in order to run in your circle. You sleep standing up.

You've used that line before. You are always ready to pounce on an opportunity. I don't know how much appearing on my podcast is an opportunity. A million subscribers never hurts. But I am very glad to have you on the podcast. The good thing about the podcast is many of the conversations that you and I have had together off the air have been more entertaining than the ones we've had on the air. Oh, absolutely. And we've entertained ourselves, certainly, if not others, maybe a couple of others, on the air.

One of my favorite things with Doc is over the years, you know, when my show was over and then his show was over, Doc would call, you know, we'd talk and I'd say, where are you headed? And he said, well, you know, I got a meeting with this client. I got another meeting here and I got a meeting there. And then I got a dinner plan with this person, business related. And then I'm hopeful to get home by midnight. And then he'd say, what are you doing? And I said, I'm at Chick-fil-A. eating lunch The chick-fil-A On the pike fan now, big time and spent a lot of time there in that line. The pandemic has altered a lot of our patterns.

It is also, and I think it will prove to have brought out another side of all of us that, you know, you never know what you are capable of doing until you have to do it. That's why, I mean, I'm a big,

a big fan of watching Life Below Zero by Alaska. Yeah, you love that shoot for some. I love it because it shows you what we're capable of doing impressed. I mean, if you eat what you kill. Well, you're always... You've got to go chop a tree down. I mean, you have to, if you want a shelter, you've got to build it.

So, I think it's been a great, for me, you know, as a restart, reset, and to realize that it really is a competitive feel, it's a game. You know, I've always looked at it that way, and it's just because when you grow up in sports, it's highly competitive, and that's the beauty of it. And there's, you know, not everybody can't win. There's some disappointment that goes along with it's part of the process. But I live by code, and so I'm prepared for it and really relevant. and enjoy the hell out of it because you're challenged. And, you know, as you age, you know, your options are starting to get limited.

So I'm glad to still have that burning desire, man, to succeed. In all seriousness, for a man who is much more adept, and by the way, highly productive is an indoor guy. And I'm not talking about your professional career as a football player. You play games outdoors. but you don't, I know you well enough to know that you're prepared for disaster, but if you were actually put out in the middle of the woods and asked to survive, it wouldn't be pretty. You don't like animals, you don't like the wild.

That's not true. There's a lot about the wild that would terrify you. I don't love wild animals. Yeah. No. Yeah, you would not want to be out there, you know, needing to build a lean to. try to make fire with a couple of sticks, and there are a couple of bears running loose in the woods.

That would not be something you'd like. But you would? No, I didn't say I would. Oh, okay, I'm about to say you're intimate. I don't know. I don't know. But I know you wouldn't. I'd love to be, you know, at the Reds-Carlton, you know,

looking over the Potomac. But if you have to deal with it, you've got to deal with it. And I think that's the beauty about survival, even as we look at history and just look at what, you know, our forefathers dealt with and how people who built this. I mean, seriously, we have fun with it.

We laugh about it. But I wouldn't trade errors. I mean, I love the fact that we just raced us to Mars and the moon and all this stuff and the electric cars now. There's progression. I mean, I grew up as the Jetsons kid and watching the day.

Jetsons and all the things that you watched now that are beyond reality. It's crazy. What is going on. And then it comes down to this most simple basics of human beings. Can we coexist in this environment? And this is what the challenge is now. We have people that refuse to wear a mask in the midst of a pandemic. You know what I mean? That's how ignorant some people are. And so the challenges are still here. It's still highly competitive. We lost half a million people.

And some, they were going to die. People die. It's not like they were going to live forever. And I don't trust all the numbers. I don't trust any of these people. They've proven to be unlawful, untrust. Well, you can't trust them. So they're fudging things.

A lot of people, my mother was in a nursing home. for about a year and a half. You know, older people who have problems, yeah, it's on a short list. They're vulnerable. And I don't, for one moment, believe that everybody that has passed away has been COVID-19 related. I'll never believe that.

How did we get on this? Well, because of what we do? We deal with everything. I know we do. Have you been, you're part of the culture now, so excuse me. Have you been vaccinated? Once, yeah, the second one's coming up soon. shortly by end of the month, I'll be scientifically a good to go.

Can we talk, I know we've done this before, but it came up in conversation recently with Christopher about your preparation, your winter survival kit prep. Yeah. You know, for. You laughed at it. You mocked it all the time. You mock it, but like I did tell my kids, Aaron is in Austin, Texas. Right. Oh, I know.

And he went down, yeah, pretty so you know, you have kids. But he had that bad weather, yeah. Kept telling him, had he listened, now he slept in the car for a minute, he had to go through all that. But had he listened, I said, you had your gloves? Who was your kid? And he did have some things in there. I always said, get a duffel bag. You know, we're in a duffel bag business because of all the events and games and, you coach, and I've volunteered.

So we got a lot of duffel bags. It's probably, you say, what's the one item you have? We have a lot, we have a lot of duffel bags in the house. In the, there are, there are 12 duffel bags in the mudroom. Exactly. Yeah. So I say, just pack one just in case. You got enough things that sweats and things that can protect you just in case.

Well, you know, he's a believer now. Okay. What happened? Was his life threatened because of the terrible weather in Texas? He was in Austin, Texas. He was in Austin, Texas, in a car trying to create heat. He had no water. You just...

Hold on for a second. See, there's a big difference. If you live in an area that doesn't get that kind of weather, which it's rare down there, you also know that they're ill-prepared to deal with it when it happens. Remember, we were down there during that Super Bowl week when they had the second, They had the worst weather week until the one they had, you know, a few weeks back. Right. And Tommy and I have told the story.

I mean, remember, I was basically Tommy's chauffeur. In the legendary Tom Laverro. I chauffeured him around everywhere because he could not walk on the ice. No, no. Neither could I. Well, I know, but you were a little bit more athletic even at your age. But for those that don't know what we're talking about, Doc, every single, you know, August or September. sometime in that time frame, he puts together a winter survival kit that he keeps in his car.

And I just think in an area like ours, first of all, we can get big storms and serious storms. Yeah, we can. But we are more prepared for it than Texas is, okay? And there isn't my- Well, they're dumb as bricks. So let's not cover this thing up. Those jerks tried to beat the system and got busted. I mocked.

And anybody that chooses to be a point. Part of that is on their own. I mocked you. They weren't forced to go to Texas. He went on his own. I mocked you for all of those years because I just, I know what your commute is. I know where you go. You're not driving to an area in which, if for whatever reason you got stranded,

you couldn't walk to some sort of indoor restaurant, hotel, or facility. Absolutely. So what was the point, all those years of having that? You were never going to need it. And you never will need it living here. No, you don't know that. Just water. I guarantee you, like right now, I know you have water in your car.

Yeah, but no, I don't, I don't have water in the car. I had water in the car and I brought it in with me to do the studio today to do the show, bottled water. You're embarrassing. You're embarrassing. You know, don't do this to your legion of followers. People that respect you, they think that you're above reproach. and all I'm saying is that you all look I've seen how you've treated your children you've had them in exposure in events with no protection no jackets no nothing

oh my god and I'm going I can't believe you I'd rather if you can't take it off but you can't put it on if you don't have it doc for years when we would do when we were doing the pregame show together and we would be sitting outdoors at FedEx Field yeah and especially late in the season when it got really cold. It was brisk. And I would usually bring one, sometimes two of my three boys to the pregame show. They love to hang out. They love to watch it.

They love the free food. Oh, yeah. I miss that. And on those, I missed it, I miss it too. On one of those days, probably more than one, it was cold, maybe in the 30s. It was freezing. Your wife would have you to clad your eyes out, as you know. And I told them, put the coat on.

But you know what? I'm a real big believer. And if you don't want to listen to me. me, then you'll pay the price on your own and you'll learn on your own. Yeah, hard head. My mom, old folks say, you know, a hard head makes for a soft behind. Because you're going to get your behind toe up. I get what you're saying, but it just was barbaric.

One of those days, it was cold. And one of the boys was shivering. And standing, because we had the heaters out on the stage, remember those heaters? And one of them was curled up next to the heater. and I just looked at him, and I'm like, I told you, I told you what to wear. And you're lucky. I was threatening you to call your wife and tell her what was going on. Big Al just came in town a couple days ago.

And, you know, he's got on flip-flops. Where is Al now? He's in Fort Myers. Oh, that's right. You told me that. And he came in in the middle of winter and flip-flops. He's in flip-flops. Yeah.

The dude is, I look at him, I go, seriously? You know? and go, man, I don't get you in flip-flops. It's 30. You know, I get in the car the other day and I say, hey, man, where's your jacket? And he goes, you're looking at it. I said, okay. Yeah.

Okay. I mean, hey, man, all I can do is. Remember that stage, though? It was, by the way, that stage, the heaters, more times than not, they weren't even working. Didn't work. It was just, they were props up on the stage. Yeah. And our beloved commander, Chris Tank Johnson, he sent a photo.

I forwarded it to you. It's my favorite photo. Oh, my God. That set up there with you, man, that's, and I'm so happy that he did it. He, like, emptied out his phone. It's like he dumped his, he dumped, like 15 years of his life. Right. It's almost like he just did a dump.

and that dump I cherish it I look at it I laugh because really we have nobody to blame or to be angry

nothing because what we have privy what we've done our trips I mean it just we have a lot we have a lot of memories we got a whole and let me tell you what

I was doing the garbage time podcast last night and and I was saying, man, whenever you get to do what you truly love to do for a living, you steal it. And that's what most people, you like to hope that your ambition, if you're lucky enough, in your lifetime, and you really won't appreciate it until you do something else that you really consider as work. You know, as much as we played, you never considered it.

It's never, I've never even mentioned it as work. It's never been, it's just an absolute. passion if you can follow a dream in any sort. And in all seriousness, because you've coached, I mean, it's still when that one child kid comes up, which happened to me two weeks ago, a good friend of mine owned Sprint, and he was like at an event,

tracked me to wherever a young man came up and he said he played for me on our Fairfax staff. Anybody that calls you coached. For me, it's just one of the highest honors because you can't get it, you can't buy it, you've got to put the work in, which means you're there two hours earlier. You're buying treats, you're getting water,

you're filling up ice chess, you're doing all that. You're stopping buying Mickey D's afterwards. You've got a first aid kit with you. All of these things, and it's the dialogue and the fellowship. And that young man, I was so pumped to hear from this young man

who is a champion at Fairfax. high school of Rebel and how he said it's still impacting his life on some of the things we discussed that we talked about. And you know, you tell him you do the same thing as you coach Hoops. It's not just about the basketball game. It's about the game of life. I mean, look, you've coached so much too. And there is, there really is something really cool about, you know, staying in touch with some of the kids that you can. coach. Like, there's, you know, a kid who played for me for many, many years, you know, and was, by the way, one of these kids, Doc, who was just super competitive in A&Ling.

Like, he just had, you know, he was a leader, he wanted to compete, he wanted to win. And I'm talking about from a young age, and by the way, that is something, yeah, you can tell. And, you know, I still, from him and probably, you know, close to a half dozen others will get text messages every once in a while with, you know, how you doing or this is what I'm doing? What do you think about this? And I love that. I love that. You know, and it is, but back to the station because I didn't mean to go in this route,

but Zabe was on with me last week and we talked a lot about it. We really did. Steve Zabin? Yeah, D. Steve Zabin? You had Steve Zabin on a podcast? Yeah, but we really did have something that, you know, I think while we're all in it we recognize how much fun we're having but sometimes we don't appreciate how much we have collectively as that group and by the way i include all the listeners in that as well oh yeah but i yeah

everybody bobby bobby north can let me tell you what the thing that's so cool is with technology you know have we been in the 50s or 60s i mean you know it would have been a rap but now you're never out of the game because there's no reason for you not to be able to reconnect with the listener unless you just don't want to because there's social media, which you dominate, but there's so many outfits now. Right, right. You know, they're there. I talk to toothpick at least once a week, you know.

Well, yeah, a lot of our listeners have become our friends over the years. Oh, absolutely. I mean, Clay and Neil, you know. Clay and Neil, but obviously. That, I mean, that's beyond that. That's family. But, you know, I wanted to say this before you continue and somehow you'll work your way back to COVID. I wanted to say to you what I said recently, and this is true, and most of you know, that, you know, Doc was at the station longer than anybody.

Doc, Scott, Lynn, C.J., really from the beginning, from the very beginning, pretty much. 28. Still to this day, I have three boys. Doc has three boys as well. His boys are older than mine, but my boys are getting up there as well. Still to this day, and this is the God's honest truth, whenever they ask about anybody at the radio station, the first person is, how is Doc doing? And I've said this to you before, but those of you that just have listened to Doc over the years don't understand what Doc is off the air. Doc is, first of all, a great motivator. He really is. He would have been a phenomenal coach, would have been phenomenal leader of businesses. He's a motivational speaker, by the way, by trade. But beyond that, he is phenomenal with young people.

Phenomenal. And he is and always was the big voice, the largest, you know, presence in a room. The minute he walked into it, and for young people, and we've all seen that with older people that have that kind of presence, young people gravitate towards that person and young people love Doc Walker. And the way you handle young people with your sense of humor, with your personality, you become very memorable. Still to this day, Casey more than anybody, because Casey is my oldest, was the first to get to know you because he got to know you when you and I did a show together. And Casey will still,

if he asks, you know, how's work going? He'll say, how's Doc? Have you talked to Doc recently? How's Doc doing? Still to this day. Well, you know, we were at that fundraiser. It's amazing because it's a year anniversary, maybe a couple of weeks ago, a fundraiser we were out of the gym.

Yeah, when he ran into you. Yeah. My God, did that make me, my day? It was a poker tournament. He's at a poker tournament. Good looking dude comes up to me. I see him in my eye looking at if I said, God, there's your wife.

Thank God that they didn't take after you. And I, we hug and I just, they had the second annual, obviously, it was virtual. It couldn't, obviously we couldn't do it this year. But hopefully the way, the vaccine and the way that competent leadership is pushing us towards, hopefully a finish line, we'll be able to do it next year. And so there's a lot to look forward to the kids who hang around jocks and like deep jocks. We are like not just athletes, but really radio jocks. It's a whole different ball game.

It really is. And it's the part about a brotherhood that exists because of our method of communication. And, you know, it's one of those things that you just, you do cherish it. And like I say, thank goodness for the technology that allows us all these different outlets now. So if you're not heard, it's because you don't want to be heard. By the way, that poker tournament where you ran into Casey a year ago, you know, Casey of my three boys, my oldest, I've got three boys, and he's the one that just really couldn't care less about sports. Couldn't care less about sports. He's never been into it.

You know, you've got three boys are all so different. But he called me that day. This was before he had run into you. And he's at one of the poker tables. He was their first company. And he said, hey, dad, I'm sitting next to the coach of Maryland. He's such a good dude. We're having such a great time. He says hello. And I said, who you sit next to? Turgent? He goes, the football coach. By the way, he still had, could, Casey, Casey wouldn't have known Mike Loxley if Mike Loxley, you know, walked into the place with a sign on his forehead that said, I'm the Maryland football coach, because he just couldn't care less. But it was funny because I ran into Lox, like two weeks later at a Wizards game, I think it was. I don't know, it may have been, it was something at Capital One

arena and he said, I had the best time with your son at that poker tournament. And I told him, I said, my other two boys would have peppered you with one question after another about recruiting and about the quarterback situation. Casey couldn't name one player on your team. But Locke's had a good time with him too. All right. The reason for getting you on the show wasn't necessarily this, but I'm glad we talked a lot about this. But I did want to get your, get your, your, your, opinion on Brandon Sheriff being tagged and Dack Prescott signing this long-term deal. We'll do that right after this word from one of our sponsors. One of them has a plate it down, the other one's a guard.

Yeah, you remember a guard. A guard. When Jay said that about Brandon Sheriff. You know, I don't think there was a ton of love lost between Scott McLuhan and Jay Gruden. The funny thing is McClain said about Jay. Jay's best strength was as an evaluator. Said of the coaches that Jay was great at evaluating talent. And Jay liked Brandon Sheriff.

And a little later on here in the show, I'm going to play back from Jay's appearance on the podcast a few weeks ago, what he said about those comments that he made. But they signed Brandon Sheriff to another tag. Second straight tag. He's going to make over $18 million next year. What is your reaction to that? Other than I know what part of it is, which is great for Browell. Brandon. But what is your, but what is your reaction to the team doing that? You know, I'm not opposed to it. I don't have a connection with them.

I'm looking at how they run their business and I can't be disappointed. A guy who produces, if he's healthy, he's a, he's a great factor for you. I don't necessarily think the offense fits him, but that's their business. and if they, the guy I know when you put him out on the open road, he's a steamroller. And yet I don't see that. And maybe they'll get to that, you know, and that's why I just think that, you know, you got to give to Coach Turner a shot at building his system and fitting it to his personnel. I think the offensive line coach was fantastic.

Sheriff, Big Bull, he don't surprise me. Schweitzer? Wow, what a job. Lucas, great job. So, yeah, I'm just, I'm going to be a guy that looks at it and goes, it doesn't bother me either way. And I'm hesitant to, I can't say what I would do. I'm not them.

And they got to fit their offense. Based on how they used them last year, I don't know if I would have done it. But maybe they're going to change and really utilize his strength and get him out on the open road so he can kill people the way he used to. But you don't think they're going to do that. You're going to think they're going to run a lot of shotgun and they're going to run a lot of, you know,

zone run scheme stuff. And they're going to throw a lot of sideways stuff. Yeah. To me, you want to see him line it up and ram it down people's throats using sheriff to lead the way. Yeah, also, but you know how he wasn't open, when they got him out on the flank and let him pull. Yeah.

He was unbelievable. Right. And so, but they don't. don't do it. So that just because they didn't do it doesn't mean they may not do it, is what I'm saying. I got to give them the benefit of the doubt. I have no other choice because they're all I have, you know, and it's just about winning for me. I'm not tied up into politics of it. That's their deal. They'll hang themselves by it or they'll be anointed, you know, as gods, if they do it right. But whatever they do in the offensive line, I'm never going to be mad

because that's really all I care about is both interiors. And we have got to be better because we got the ball crammed down our throat against Tampa and we couldn't bust a great moving line of scrimmage on our own. So that's it. So I got to be encouraged by the fact that they keep, you know, one of their best, if not their best. Yeah, the issue is they're paying him $18 million for one year

and then more likely than not, he's going to be a free agent next year. They're not going to sign him to a third tag. Nobody does that. And so he'll hit unrestricted free agency a year from now. I wonder why they aren't able to get a long-term deal done with him. Is it more him or is it more them? He has missed a third of the games over the last three years. He's missed 16 out of 48 games with injury.

And so I understand their hesitancy in giving him the biggest deal in the history of the league if that's what he wants. But they've now paid him or they're on the verge potentially. of paying him $33 million. He was the highest paid guy last year at $15 million on a franchise tag. He'll be the highest paid guy again this year if he plays on the franchise tag. And then they're going to lose him more likely than that. It's just like your boy. It's exactly about what's going to happen.

And we'll just have to ask him what happened. That's why in revisionist history, we go all the way back. Then 77 was that left guard. He wanted $10 million. And they told him to hit it. So he goes to Miami. luckily flowers

yeah luckily 77's flowers coach man 77's flowers and so they were able to get everybody knows if they don't know that they're not on your podcast

believe me and so Switzer played his butt off I was so proud of him and Lucas I thought the left side really that was the most encouraging part of the team to me

and that they got David Sharp to bend his knees and extend himself and if he'll get his behind in shape in the off season, he might be able to help him. They took three guys that weren't starters and had them out on the team that won the division. So whatever happens with Brandon Sheriff, you know, on that side or whatever, I'm not, I'm not

concerned about it. I think that they'll be fine. And financially, I guess they're betting on the cap or whatever. I have no idea what they're doing. I just am glad that we're going to throw money around, throwing them with the big boys. on the old line, deep line, and then I'm okay. I damn sure I'm not interested in a receiver or another running back or one of these guys.

That would make me throw up in my mouth. For someone who really does know offensive line coaches, you played for the best in Bugues, I know you weren't as close to the team this year, obviously, as you have been in years past, but what did you make of the job that Matscoe did? Fantastic. That's what I'm saying. Lucas was in Chicago, if I'm not mistaken, Sharp.

They were the other kid was in Atlanta. They were not starters. Yep. So you have to look at that at Marvel, let alone Chase Ruey, your six-round pick who just got paid. So that's another drop in the bucket where I go, their staff, they're scouting people that they much maligned. They brought them some people. Yep. They have people.

So when I look at Tim Seville, you expect pained and Allen. Yeah, but Tim Seville is playing with him. Ionitis, who was a J guy, I thought, if you asked me, you can only keep one of the three, ironitis before the injury. Yeah, you did say that. You were on him early. Listen, it's all on tape. Yeah, strongest dude on the team.

He is a monster. It's just like the guy with the highest up. side on the entire team, in my opinion, is Montes Sweat. More than pain? Yeah, man, Montes Sweat. I don't know where his ceiling is. Yeah, I love sweat, but. The dude is un, we don't even, the best is yet to come.

Yeah. Chase did, you know what, can you imagine the pressure being the second pick of the draft? He swat, he ate it up because he doesn't mind working. You know, we've had guys here who didn't love the process. This is one thing, Cool Dog, always nailed. And Cooley had a great perception and a feel. You got to determine not your 40 time, but I want to know are you a rat, Jim Rat.

Do you love the game? You've got to love it. If you don't love it, they'll be finding out, what time did you get here? That means he don't love it. It's like our kids. I used to have to tell my three boys, they were up, I say, hey, get out of the house.

And they would look at me and they say, how long do we have to be out there? That's what I knew. these guys are going to end up in the business world. Well, they had too many garages and too much air conditioning in that house. But now they ended up being highly competitive. They gave it their shot. But the bottom line is that the kid that's dribbling and it wakes you up.

Because he's banging that board off the board at 6 a.m. Right. That's the guy. Yeah. And so that has nothing to do with athleticism or ethnicity. Has nothing to do with it. Well, yeah, nothing to do with ethnicity. Sure.

It has nothing to do with it. Yeah, I don't. I didn't think it did. No, it has nothing to do. What it has to do with it. Well, it does have something. Larry Bird was in French, Lick, Indiana. Right.

Shooting a thousand a day on the side of a barn. Remember what you said about how you, one of the questions you would ask. As a recruiter. As a recruiter would be, what? How many garages did your home have? In air conditioning. And did you have air conditioning? I'd break my tie.

based on the kid who had ice. If he had ice and the other kid didn't, I'm thinking the kid that didn't. I said I would break my, it was my tiebreaker. It was the tiebreaker was, did you, did your home have air conditioning? Yeah. And by the way, what, is central air or a window unit? Well, you can put a fan. No, no, no.

A fan is not air conditioning. Okay, a fan is a fan. Yeah, fan just circulates hot air. It just circulates hot air. Yeah, live that. We never had AC. All I'm saying is that that's how I would determine my tiebreaker. Garage, garages, too.

If they had more than one garage, you were not going to sign that player. I don't want him. I don't want it. I pass. You would pass on that. I pass. I want the kid like me had no car in his family. Nobody drove.

You know, so you either had to bike it, hitchhike it, develop a relationship to get to wherever you got to go. I'm telling you, when I look at this team and the guys that I just adore, are the guys like Cameron Curl. You know, Cameron Curl, wow, what a beast. My guy, Deschazar Everett, you know, he has a room here at my house. I say, Dee, all you got to do, man, you never be homeless. But I don't know if the torn pectoral, if you're a recover.

Same thing with Matt, Matt, with the bicep. They've got Landon Collins with the Achilles. So they've got three guys that are premium players, but you don't know what will happen. So it opens up an opportunity. And what did Cameron Currell do? He snatched it. He snatched it. And so I'm going to see if Hudson is a guy at the linebacker.

We need linebacker help. I loved him on teams. Loved him on team. KPL is my dog. Let me tell you what. They've got guys. That's the one thing. I'm not worried about that.

I'm worried about, well, I ain't worried about none of it. But I am interested as to who they bring in. And if they're who the veteran, do they go? vet quarterback or root quarterback for the third guy in the competition. That's to me the one thing I'm very interested in. And if we will pick up another back and when we get a guy who's been a running back, not a receiver, but a running back, you know, that past pro steps up and tries to knock the dental work out of somebody, some linebacker coming in,

and a guy that just wants to football and doesn't have to be replaced. So we'll see. I do want your thoughts on what they should do at quarterback, and I do want to talk about Dak Prescott. We'll do that right after this word from one of our sponsors. Doc Walker hanging out with us on the podcast today. Who do you want the quarterback to be in 2021? The best guy.

I know. Who's the best guy? I don't know. I don't have any idea. They'll have to roll them out there and get them through the system if they get to have OTAs, if they get to have the kind of work that they, hopefully have. It'll be quite interesting to see Heineke and Alan, you know, Montez and

whomever the veteran or the rookie that they bring in. I'd like to see both. I'd like to see a guy that's done it before. And also if you can pick up a toddler, second day at a draft, whatever they decide. Again, that's where Mayhew, that's his response. Herney, that's their thing. Go after it. They got ample people over there. Run your process, figure it out. Joe Douglas, the GM in New York, recently said about Sam Darnold. Eight teams have reached out to the Jets about Sam Darnold. Washington has been reported to be one of them.

What do you think of Sam Darnold? Oh, I loved him as a Trojan because he's a linebacker that happens to play quarterback. Reminds me of Billy Kilmer in terms of his toughness. You got to get a guy that's tough, man. And he's tough. And I don't need a drama queen. We went through that. I don't need a drama queen.

I need a tough dude to get in there and take control of a huddle. And so, y'all like the Trojan a lot. He was thrust into the jets, which is not far from what was here. So he should be very accustomed and relieved to be in a program that's moving forward. I would think he'd be pumped. The Deshawn Watson situation in Houston, I haven't asked. I don't think we've talked about this off the air, but I'm just curious.

You know, he signed this massive deal in September, August, September, and now he wants to get dealt out of that place. If you were handling the situation as the owner or the general manager, how would you handle it? Owner or general manager of what team? Of Houston. Houston? Well, he's all you have.

So you either turn it into a Jerry Jones blue chip that alters the change of your program, the future you program or you it's chicken are you really going to sit out prove it they're going to lose either way if i'm the owner i got nothing else to lose even with him they'll be terrible they're awful they've wrecked the program um by letting a guy who i mean i have a lot of respect for his football IQ, but he's obviously a lunatic. And you don't give up the gym that they had. Bill O'Brien, you're talking about it. Yeah, Bill O'Brien. I mean, good God, am I hell of a football guy, but maybe he's not a good GM or whatever. So he's a terrible gym, yeah.

Yeah, but that's the only owner. Then the owner's a terrible owner then. Yeah, quit covering up for these people who are incompetent, who can't hire people worth a damn. They get no results, and yet they continue to have their positions. If Deshawn Watson were made available and you're Washington, would you make a run at him? You have to gut your program. Yeah. And so what do I have left? What do I have left?

I'm better than Houston. But the way this program is after one year of looking at what they had to root out, no, no, I wouldn't. I would bet on the fact that competence would. prevail. And if you get good people as they've proven that they are capable of doing on a short sample size with restrictions up to union, just look at how they handle COVID. No, you're right. This group seems to be far ahead of the groups of the past. It's still the same owner. So it could turn the other way. But that's the league. That's the league. The league's assess pool. The 32 guys in there, they're not inclusive. They don't want anybody in

their club. It doesn't look like they look or act like they look. So they get what they, this is no mystery. Yeah, but beyond, beyond you interjecting that part, which is a completely different conversation. It ain't nothing different about it. It's the same crap. This is a bad, this is a bad owner. Terrible. 21 years. Okay. So what's your record? You owe in 21. Yeah. O for 21. So I don't want to get none of that guard. And I would not get off the trail that they're on right now. Any reason that they're on it. is because they have eliminated his influence. So far.

Yeah. Right. That's the only reason that it works. By the way, real quickly, before I forget this, you know, I forget what your position was on Dwayne coming out of the draft. I didn't like him coming out of the draft. Cooley didn't, I remember forcing Cooley to watch tape of him. But when I saw him play in that preseason and the short sample size we had his rookie year,

I, you and I, I think, were in agreement. There was something there about him that we liked. He, I thought he was kind of fearless. I thought that he, you know, felt like this was not above him, which was a good sign. Like, he didn't play scared. Are you surprised ultimately that it unraveled as quickly as it did for him here? No, because if I'm willing to give a guy $20 million, dollars. Don't you think I can spend a hundred grand on somebody to get him to work on time?

See, this is where I look at how they ran, how they handle situations. And I just cringe. Oh, you're willing to give a guy 20 million, but you won't pay somebody 100 grand to make sure he's at work on time and to be there with him? To me, that's short-sightedness. This is not just football, man. This is people. do you do diligence. It's the same group that brought Albert Hainsworth here.

He's been a jackass since junior high. But yet, they brought him here and act like they were shocked that he was under-motivated. Do your due diligence. Okay, get people who understand how to communicate to people. They've had some of the worst communicators in the history of sports. Yeah. In one building.

Yep. And this is what happens. Okay, so the kids immature. Well, how the hell did Ohio State get that out of him? They had because they understand how to communicate with people. They don't give you an option. They have an environment. It's all about winning.

They're trying to win it all every year. And everybody knows that. You always have mixed signals here in the past. You don't know what the hell's going on. And so if somebody did step in to pick a guy that didn't know the guy that had picking, bingo to $20 million out the door. cost you $100,000. I had a lot of picked him up every day.

Yeah, but you've already said that if you have to invest $100,000 to keep somebody on track, you don't, that person can't be your 15th pick overall in the first round. Well, if you want to take a roll. I don't know. Dallas Cowboys prove that Calvin Hill has the job that most people don't want. He's great at it. And if the Hall of Famer that they're having,

security on, needs some help. They got him to help. And guess what? He's a Hall of Famer. And they win games with him. People have issues, man. Hold on. What are you talking about there?

I'm talking about Calvin Hill's position with the Dallas Cowboys. It has nothing to do with X's and O's. Right. What it does is have to do about humans and about getting performance. Okay. I thought you said when he was playing and I'm like, who is he? No, no, no. His position with the Dallas Cowboys right.

Right. Right now. right is exactly what was missing here but now they've kind of covered it here so who's he responsible for alden smith he's responsible for anybody that has a history that requires his presence right okay and we've had them here too and what we do we let them go to san francisco and be all pro for another team okay everything we you know it's the kirk cousins deal is the trent will people aren't perfect people have problems your job is to fix it Right. So we can't fix our problems here. So other people benefit from it. That's my point. The point is you got to look at yourself. And they've done, well, they didn't do it. The league has forced their hand now. If you think this is voluntary, then you're dumb as bricks. Okay. The league is forced their hand. As a result, now you've got people in there that are actually communicating and the job that Jason's doing. My goodness gracious. It's amazing what can happen.

And when you get people in and it's a unanimous decision to just try to win. It's all so simple. Not somebody's ego, but just when we develop and build a program. One year with a quarterback that was in it, you saw what happened. You know what's interesting about what you just said. And these are the conversations that I love having with Doc because he is motivational speaker, but more importantly, he played for championship teams and championship people, and he is a champion.

Ego's such a huge thing when it comes to team. Even if you have one, if you have somebody that's not willing to set it aside for the greater entity, the team, he can't be a part of it. You don't have to find people that don't have ego. You have to find people who are willing to set aside. that ego for the betterment of the team. You know, one of the things that Ron Rivera said to me when I had him on the radio show a couple of weeks ago that I've repeated several times because I love the way he put it because to me, he's a guy that I do think gets it when it comes to

the kind of people that you have to have. And he said, my best players have to be my best workers. And if your best players aren't your best workers, then the example being set by your best players is a bad one. And therefore, if they can get away, without being the best workers, everybody else can. So your best players have to be your best workers. And then when it comes to ego, on really good teams, it's possible you can have a guy with an ego off the charts. But he's got to be so good and so much better than anybody else

and so influential in the outcome of games and seasons. But for the most part, yeah. So real quickly, because I want to get to Prescott. Who do you think is the starting quarterback season opener 2021? Taylor Heineke, Kyle Allen, or somebody who's not on the roster right now? I have no idea because I don't know who the veteran. If they bring in a veteran, he clearly will start. The guy that they bring in because he'll be a starter in this league.

And neither one of these guys has been that. So it's clearly the veteran that they bring in is a starter. So I need a guess from you. I hate when you do this. I don't guess. That's your job. You guess. I want a prediction from you.

I don't. Okay, I want a gut feel from you on whether or not they're going to stick with the two guys they have and one of them will start. Or if they're going to continue, we know they tried for Stafford. We understand that they have made inquiries with the Jets about Darnold. There was Goff discussion, Marriota discussion. Just give me what your gut feel is right now. They will bring in a veteran. Okay.

That's all I needed. They will bring in a veteran because they tried to. Yeah. So I'm not breaking anything. Look what they're doing. They're trying to get people when Martin could not, and I don't blame the kid from Detroit, I'm going west. Stafford.

Yeah, with Stafford. Stafford is shown together. Yeah, it'll happen. The Marriota thing, that's the where, but his mobility impressed me so much. and I'd love to see our pocket move. I really would like to see our pocket move. And that's just easier to block. Right.

If we have that, like we had dash with Joe and, you know, sprint and dash. Those were intricate parts of the offense. It just moves the aiming point. You know, these defensive people, if they know where you're going to be, it's hard to protect. And for me, the game that I go over and over

is the Tampa game. They're the best. Their best player on defense didn't play, thank God. So we were able to be competitive. Devin White, yeah. If 45 is on the field, when we play them, carnage. It's carnage. Yeah. I mean, I've said this many times to the people that think that Taylor Heineke proved that he's going to be an all-pro quarterback against Tampa, that Devin White didn't play. And if you watch Devin White, he was the best player on their defense. And as Doc just said there would have been carnage. I don't know that it would have been the same offensive game from Washington had Devin White been in the game. No, you can pleasure yourself all you want. But I'm telling you right now,

Tampa ran that we could not stop the run. Your best player didn't play well in that game. I don't care what anybody else says, Chase Young did not have a good game. Yeah, well, we lost. And it wasn't even close. I mean, it wasn't embarrassing. See, this is a thing where I don't want to. It was close. They lost by eight. They had a chance. I don't want to succumb. I don't want to succumb to, oh, wow, we played well. No, we got gutted, okay?

And there's no way in the hell you're going to beat a team. You cannot run the ball against, and you cannot stop their run, okay? It toyed with us. And so I'd rather go to- 507 yards they rolled up. I'd go into my off-season, exactly like the Ohio State Buckeyes did, when they lost to Clemson. and I'd have that on that,

every place you walk in that facility, as opposed to patting yourself on the back, I'd be looking at the fact that how we failed and that we can't wait to get back and play Tampa. You got the eye of the tiger. 507 yards. I don't care what anybody says about the defense. I came in here the next day.

You and I talked about it. The defense was massively improved. You cannot be an elite defense or be called an elite defense. you give up 31 points and 5707 yards in a playoff game. And they know it too. They know it too. It's just from what they came from. Yeah,

with the quarterback situation, playing three people and one guy, and then Alex's contribution, and my goodness. It's a movie. It's a movie in the making. Unfortunately, Tampa's the champion. All right.

Dak Prescott. Jack Prescott just signed. Oh, killed me. one of the most insane deals. This is another one. Dallas didn't have enough vision early on to be aggressive in signing him a couple of years ago. This is the third off season that they've had negotiations with him. They should have wrapped him up in the first negotiation,

and his deal would look super cheap right now. And this is where these teams make the mistake. But you know what? They weren't sure on DAC three years ago. Prescott, for those of you who haven't seen it, most of you have, a four-year $160 million deal, $126 million guaranteed. His signing bonus was $66 million. That is the highest in NFL history,

and he will get paid $75 million of the $126 million guaranteed in year one. They're going to be able to do some cap magic to make it a lower number in year one. But the bottom line is Dak Prescott, and I thought this would be the case. I did not think that Prescott was going anywhere. He's going to be the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. And I believe, well, the odds makers, and you know I look at a lot of the stuff they do, the Cowboys are now a prohibitive, a heavy favorite to win the NFC East. And by the way, I think they should be.

What do you think of Prescott as a quarterback and the Cowboys with him next year? I love him. I really do. I was hoping that Jerry would continue to blow this deal to the point where he got out of there. because he's so good. And he probably makes $20 million off the field being a Dallas cowboy. Yeah. And any guy that makes what the average quarterback makes off the field, he makes it without even putting a helmet on, he was never leaving.

But they did the right thing. They did the right thing. Unfortunately, they missed the window because when their team was really good, and I mean really good, that whole line, ooh, my goodness. But unfortunately, the injuries, see, I'm not one, I don't want them hurt. I hate the fact that they had those injuries and they were decimated lay. I want them full strength. You got to beat them full strength.

And that coming back, they've got talent galore. I don't know how they stay under the cap. I mean, it's amazing. The way they do it, they have a great eye for talent. Most of the people they pick can really play. And until late December and January, they're hard to beat. Yeah. I don't know how if you're being objective, you don't look at Dallas and see a team that could potentially win 11 or 12 games next year if they're healthy. First of all, last year they weren't healthy. They lost Zeke. They lost DAC. And then their defense really got ravaged by injuries and it wasn't very good and it wasn't well coached. Look who coached. Look what they did. Yeah, Mike Nolan was there and now Dan Quinn's there. Dan Quinn can coach defense.

Yeah, Dan Quinn. And they, I always felt. watching them last year healthy, you know, with Crawford and Lawrence and, you know, Van deresh when he's out there, Jaylen Smith and in Alden Smith, they've got some speed and talent on defense. And man, do they have the playmakers on offense with Cooper and C.D. Lamb and, you know, Gallup and Zeke. And then that offensive line, when it's healthy, it's really good. It was decimated, though. I mean, they lost, you can't lose three pro bowl. No. No. It's goal. Right.

Duh, yeah, they got, but then Dac covered it up. You didn't realize it until you had a guy of other people in there that didn't have his athleticism, awareness, and they were terrible. And so I want him to come back. I'm hopeful that he's healthy, and I want to beat him with him. And then it's legit, and I'll take it every day. to just to shed Clarence, Goldsboro, Jr.

Well, I think all of them. I think all of them are, they know. If they didn't believe in DAC, they had to believe in him after he got hurt because that team was not the same team when he wasn't in there. And, you know, I've heard a lot of people say, you know, Dax's just okay. He's not worth the money. Look, is Prescott Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rogers or Josh Allen or Deshawn Watson? I don't think he is, but I think he's really good.

I do too. I think Russell Wilson's really, really, really good. Right. And I think he's a tier. He's in that second tier. And that second tier, well, the first tier, maybe has five people in it, maybe. And we play them all next year. Oh, yeah.

No, we got a great schedule. I love it. Okay. You know, when you put your mock out, I cannot. I've already said this to people. When you drop your mock this year, it's going to be the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life because it is

Forget the mock. Forget the mock. When the schedule comes out, now with the 17th game, they're going to face Patrick Mahomes. They're going to face Josh Allen. They're going to face Justin Herbert in the AFC. They're going to face Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan in the NFC.

And, oh, by the way, they're going to face Prescott twice, who is clearly the best quarter of. in the division. I had, it wasn't Paul. You didn't mention Danny Dimes? Are you off the dimes? No, no, I like Daniel Jones, but I'd take Prescott way over. I mean, Prescott's a better quarterback to Daniel Jones. Somebody called in, some favorite of ours called in and said, Prescott, you know, that there are at least two teams. He said, we've got, in the division, he said,

we've got the worst quarterback situation. And I said, what, Jalen Hertz and Daniel Jones makes Washington situation the worst? I don't think so. What is clear, though, is Dak Prescott gives the Cowboys a legitimate reason to be prohibitive favorites in the division. They are an almost even money favorite to win the division. And the only other team that's a bigger favorite to win their division next year right now are the Kansas City Chiefs. That's it in the AFC West. They look at the NFC East is weak.

They look at it as a division where three of the four teams don't have an answer or an obvious answer, a quarterback. And the Cowboys now do, and the Cowboys have all that talent on offense. Look, if they don't win 11 or 12 games and actually win a couple of playoff games this year, I don't know that they'll ever do it. And they probably won't. That happening. But yeah, I do see them. Until they prove that they can get over the hump, I don't see it.

the coordinator, you have the best back in the league and nobody know it. Yeah. You're not able to see it. That's on you. Yeah, Kellynne Moore. I mean, that's on you. I mean, I just, I don't, their problems are always with their staff, not their players.

It's true. It's always with the staff because. Well, in their front office. It sounds like a guy is trying to run the staff. And the owner, too. From the owner's box. That's my point. Yeah.

If he would let the football operation. let Stephen run it and go get on his boat and go to Europe. They'd be much better off, but that's never going to happen. That's never going to happen. Because he's got to have his hand in it, and he's the problem. All right. I know you're busy. I've kept you for a long period of time.

You have clients. You have a lot of things going on. I'm going to let you get to it. I can have a phone in here. You know how much I appreciate you coming on, and we'll do it again soon. Well, any time, not that you need, this is a hobby for you. but to be able to help the family, man. That's what I do.

All right. I'll talk to you some folks. Thank you. Bye-bye. The legend, everybody. Richard, Doc Walker. Always enjoy catching up with Doc. There's some breaking NFL news,

and I'm going to comment on that because it deals with a player that I think many Washington football fans had near or at the top of the list of players they wanted to go after in free agency. And also what Jay Gruden said on that podcast with me a few weeks ago about Brandon Sheriff and the comment that he made about the, you know, Josh Doxon and a guard. I'll get to that right after I tell you about My Bookie.

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on the go. Visit the website online or on your phone at mybooky.ag. Use my promo code, Kevin DC, to get that deposit bonus. Again, they'll match your first deposit halfway up to a thousand bucks. Bet anything, anytime, anywhere with my bookie. I remember, you know, your favorite line and we used to use this as a drop on the show because it was funny the way you delivered it. In talking about two first round picks. You said, you know, we got a guard and we got Josh. Do you remember what I'm talking about? What did you mean by that? Were you frustrated with the drafts? A little bit. You know, you want to maximize, especially when you have these top picks, you have maximize your first rounders, you know, and love Brandon. Shees, Brandon, he's been hurt.

He got hurt for us a lot, too. But Brandon was a good pick for us. We need it off. That's the line help. But I think Scott thought he was. He would beat out Morgan Moses at right tackle, and we found after one day of rookie minicamp that we had to move him to guard because he couldn't play outside. But he's been a great pick for us. He's going to be a pro bowl. He's a pro ball guard, all pro guard, and he's going to pay a lot of money. That was Jay Gruden with me a few weeks back. If you never listened to that show, it was a good one.

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But those are the things that really help. And I appreciate when you do that. So a couple of things real quickly on what Jay Gruden said about Brandon Sheriff a few weeks back. I think it's really interesting, and I think that was a reveal that Scott McLuhan drafted him to be a right tackle. We all knew that he was drafted to be a tackle, and he thought for sure that he was going to replace Morgan Moses, and Jay knew after one mini-camp day that it wasn't going to happen. So, you know, drafting a guard at five overall is a tough. thing to do. Now, the guard position is important, and it's actually become more important in recent years as teams have realized that sometimes an interior pass rusher is more impactful

than an exterior pass rusher. Aaron Donald, an obvious example of that. Keep in mind when Washington played the Rams in October, Aaron Donald, you know, feasted on Washington, had one of the best days of his career. Brandon Sheriff did not play in that game. But I, you know, my take on it isn't going to change. I just wouldn't tag a guard. I wouldn't tag Brandon Sheriff who's missed all those games. I just feel like the second tag means that he's got one year left here. He doesn't have any incentive now to sign a long-term deal.

And there's always the possibility. And I remember discussing this when we talked about Kirk Cousins, you know, with that second tag. I wanted them to trade him prior to the 2017 season. And a tag in trade, you know, is a possibility. You know, if Washington said, hey, we want more time to try to create a long-term deal with you, Brandon. And Brandon says, yeah, no, I'll take the $18 million in year two and become a free agent next year. Well, if it's more than that, and Brandon just sees himself maybe somewhere else and not in this

organization, and they can find a trade partner that will also give him a lot. long-term contract extension because nobody's going to trade for him and pay him 18 million bucks for one year. But like with Kirk prior to the 2017 year, the idea was to trade him to San Francisco. They would have given him the long-term deal, and they would have given Washington a first-round pick, number two overall, more likely than not. So what would you get for sheriff? You wouldn't get a first-rounder, not with that injury history. You wouldn't, and not for the position either. could you get a second? Possibly. He was a first team all pro.

You know, that gave him more leverage. It also potentially gives the team a little bit more leverage if this is about a tag and trade. I don't think it's about that. I think they want him to play for him next. They want him to play for them. He's a big part of what Ron Rivera wants in the culture, and they're hoping to get a long-term deal struck.

And there's always the possibility, and this is what I always said about cousins going into 2017, that somehow they have a great, great year, a great team year, and he wants to stay and be a part of it. And so that even after 20, you know, even after 2021 next year, maybe he goes into free agency, but because it was such a good year and such a great year with the team, maybe he does have interest in staying here and resigning here. But my guess is, if he plays on the tag in 2021, he's not going to be here in 22. And my guess is now he's going to play on the tag because why would he take a long-term deal

unless it was significant guaranteed money when he can get the same deal a year from now? The risk is health, understood, the risk is he gets injured and there's no big long-term deal there to be had and he has been injury-prone. But the net of it is he collects $18 million this year for one year. he bests his 15 from a year ago, which was the top paid guard in the league. And next year, you know, barring significant injury, he gets a chance to sign that long-term deal with $35, $40, $45 million of guaranteed money. That's what I think is going to happen. Anyway, the breaking news, as we are finishing up this podcast today, is that the Buccaneers are going to tag Chris Godwin.

I'm going to be very interested between now and the end of the day, and we'll have more on this tomorrow. I'm going to be interested to see how many teams tag guys. By the way, there was this thought that the tag deadline could get extended because the actual cap number hasn't been finalized, but Mike Jones did report from USA Today that the final tag number is going to be finalized here shortly today. But Chris Godwin was a target for a lot of you in terms of receivers, Alan Robinson Godwin, Gala Day. For me, maybe Corey Davis, if we're looking maybe a lower-level guy, although I think Davis after that year is going to get a big deal also.

But the Buccaneers want Godwin, and Brady wants Godwin. There's no doubt about that. I think it's interesting because Godwin is really good, but my God, did he drop balls at the end of the season? How many balls did he drop in the game, in the playoff game against Washington? I think it was four. I think there were four drops in that game. And then the following week against New Orleans in a game they won,

he had another drop or two. And he's not a drop guy career-wise, but he really did drop some balls in the postseason. In fact, I'm reading something right now, that his drop percentage is one of the lowest in the NFL over the last two years. But he had a bunch of drops in the postseason, especially here against Washington. So take Chris Godwin off the list of potential free agent targets.

He's a pure slot, no doubt. I think Curtis Samuel will be a guy they go after. I think Cadarius Tony is not out of the realm, even though it's a receiver in the first round. I think Alan Robinson, it wouldn't surprise me. If he gets tagged before the end of the day, who knows maybe it's happened already. And Kenny Goliday, if he has a choice, I'm sure he'd love to join Matt Stafford. in L.A. The big name receivers,

Robinson, Goliday, Godwin are either going to be tagged or are going to end up elsewhere. I think even a guy like Robinson, if he's not tagged, is going to choose somewhere where he thinks he can win and put up big numbers. Remember, as long as your quarterbacks are Taylor Heineke and Kyle Allen

is as bullish as you may be on either one of them right now, it doesn't mean that the league and receivers who have a choice are going to feel the exact same way. All right. Have a great day back tomorrow.