The Kevin Sheehan Show - Simmering Situations in Ashburn?

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Kevin and Thom today with some Ryder Cup and Commanders to open up the show. The boys think there may be a pair of simmering situations in Commander Land and they discussed both. Bear-feeding season, Maryland Football's freshman QB Malik Washington, and 50 years ago tomorrow, the "Thrilla in Manila". For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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86690 Nation and Window Nation. Dot com if you need new windows. This from BP Heavenbound. BP Heavenbound writes, Kev, I'm so proud of the personal growth in our dear friend Tom. The new regime has taken away his sacred place for the traditional pregame cigar,

and I am so proud of the way he's handling it. After losing his safe space at former Ghost Town Field, it now seems like the only safe places for Tom are Shelley's back room, 1331F Street in the district, and quartermasters in Frederick. Well, I'd like to add my back deck in Winchester, Virginia, whenever, Tom needs it. Limited availability

an hour's subject to change, he writes. Anyway, there was a time when Tommy Purify wore a younger man's clothes. He would not have let this issue go away so quietly. This guy took on the New Jersey mob, Sammy Panama, and in the panhandle, not to mention multiple airlines and hotel chains over the years. With Tommy's history of taking care of

business, the spineless, Pansy security guard at Ghost Town Field is lucky. He didn't wake up in his bed one morning with a dead turtle next to him. Anyway, proud of our guy. Personal positive growth is always a good thing. Tommy, you do you. We love it. Also, show is great as always five stars as always.

Go commanders, your loyal listener, B.P. Heavenbound. You've taken on. way? Yes. You've taken on so many, you know, big-time, you know, adversaries, like scary adversaries. And you let this security guard and you let this team rush you and push you out of what has been a happy, I don't know if it's a safe space. It's been a happy space for you for 20 years. Well, I don't see my options. I mean, I didn't see my options. You didn't go down swinging. I think I would say you didn't go down swinging like usual. What if I sat there with a cigar in my mouth and didn't light it before every game?

That would be good. That would make a statement. Well, it certainly would be sarcastic and it would be funny. I don't know. It sounds like there's not much of a sense of humor with the group that you're dealing with. No, but I remember Sonny used to sit before games and have a single. cigar in his mouth. Just chew on it.

Yep, just chew on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't tend to like, I don't like to do that. But I would do that just to make them, make both of us look like idiots, me and them. Right. By the way, it wasn't the New Jersey mob.

It was the Pennsylvania mob. Right? It was the... Yes, but I think he's thinking of the whole issue with Sammy Panama. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right. In Florida.

That may be, but it was not the New Jersey box. Sammy. It wasn't even that you took on Sammy Panama. Sammy Panama, he tried to dupe you. And he nearly did. He nearly pulled it off because of your dream to become a labeled, recorded singer. It just didn't happen. karaoke singer.

It was a karaoke project. Yeah, I understand that. Well, that was the whole recording thing. He was recording karaoke up and down the, you know, the panhandle area. Yeah, doing your comedy. But, yeah, he basically, thank goodness the feds, you know, scarf that guy up and took him off the map. And I don't know where he is these days. Right.

This from Joseph really upset that you didn't talk Rider Cup on the show yesterday. Joseph, I did have Steve Sands on the radio show today. He was great. Steve was on the call all weekend long, so you can go listen to that at the team 980.com. And I'll probably try to sneak in somebody on the show tomorrow to go back and talk about it because it was really good. This from Jeff. Jeff wrote, and this, by the way, this is going to rile up Tommy because he's not going to understand it. And plus, he'll put it together with some sort of elitist talk when it's.

comes to golf. Jeff writes, Kevin, it won't matter anyway, but how can the point be split when a player has to drop out for injury? He's talking about Victor Hovlin had to drop out of the singles competition on Sunday with a neck injury. And what they do, Tommy, when somebody drops out, is they take that point and they give a half point to Europe and a half point to the U.S. It's almost like goldfish and juice boxes for little leaguers. You know, like, hey, everybody wins here. Everybody's happy. And it was the European player that was injured.

Jeff continues, if that's the case, anytime a team is at eight and a half headed into singles, they should all fake an injury. Yeah, we thought about that too. They would never do that. And Jeff writes, I understand that that would never happen. But how can this be the rule very odd?

Yes, Steve and I talked about it on the show. for those that don't understand, in the Ryder Cup, if there's an injury before the singles competition, then each team splits the point that was going to be competed for. So Europe gets a half point and the U.S. gets a half point. That is like saying, you know, in a tennis match, hey, this player got hurt. Let's replay the event when they're better. rather than calling it a walkover or a default. It's an absurd rule.

It's been around forever, and it's just not in the spirit of normal competition. If the injury happens to one team, that one team has to suffer the consequences of that injury. We don't get to say with Jaden Daniels out last week against Atlanta, hey, we just want to, you know, call this game a tie and move on. We don't get to do that in sports. They need to fix that 100%. Steve agrees and says that it will get changed. I think it happened in the 1948 Ryder Cup with Duff Pacheco.

I think that's when they created that rule. It's been around for a long time. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So. I can't tell you how much I, from afar, how much I, enjoyed this rider cuff.

It was so much fun. From afar? Well, you didn't watch any of it. No way. No, I didn't watch it. Yeah. But I didn't have to. Why? I got the sense of what a disaster it was. It was great.

So much fun. The U.S. just for some reason doesn't do this kind of an event, a team event, nearly as well as the Europeans do. I think it's odd, personally. but there's a lot of, you know, camaraderie, there's a lot of the team captain being, you know, an older experienced team captain.

Kegan Bradley still appear of all of these players. They got Tommy in the first two days, and I watched a lot of it this weekend, even with the football. It was on the other screen and I was watching it. They got their ass kicked. They really got their ass kicked. And until Sunday, when it looked like for about an hour, or so, maybe even a little bit longer, like the greatest comeback in the history of the event. And really in the history of a lot of events was on the verge of happening until a good old

young Irishman named Shane Lowry, not so young anymore. He is about as clutch as it gets. When he teed off on 18, I said to my boys, I'm like, there's no way they win this event. Shane Lowry is going to go ahead and win it right here. And he did. It was actually, I have to say, and you'll disagree. agree, but they should move this event to sometime where it doesn't compete with football season. That's a big problem because I do think it's one of these events that actually would draw the casual sports fan.

And it would be a much bigger event to non-golf fans than it is right now. But football, you know, buries it. And it's always in the fall. It's always, you know, late September when the event takes place. And so it makes it hard for a lot of football fans to – football and golf fans to consume the whole thing. But it was good. It was fun. I mean, you love the sport. One of these days, we're going to get out there and you're going to see what a working man blue-collar sport it really is.

Yeah. You know? It's a prep boy. the Ryder Cup is a prep boys convention. A prep boys convention. Yeah, right. The activities that included basically drinking beer and smoking cigars and riding around in a cart, which is Taylor made for you.

But it's your move to be antagonistic with anything you don't know and defaulted as elitist or elitism. All right. What do you want to talk about? You want to talk about the game? Yes. All right. Let's talk about the game of football that was played between the Washington commanders and the Atlanta Falcons. We both had pretty much the correct margin of victory for Atlanta.

You predicted Atlanta if Jaden didn't play, and he didn't play. You had it 25 to 17. I actually went 24 to 17 Atlanta. I did two shows on this game already, so I will give the floor to you for your thoughts on the lost Sunday in Atlanta. Well, we both figured that the Falcons would be hurting after their debacle against Carolina, taking that 30-0 defeat, and that this would be a bigger game for them, probably that it would be for the commanders.

Right. And we also figured that, you know, maybe a Marcus Marriota with a full complement of weapons available could possibly win this game. But a Marcus Marius, your backup quarterback with your backup wide receivers was probably too much to ask. And all that pretty much came true. What I didn't really expect, and I guess I should have, because they've been pretty erratic, you know, at times this year. But I really didn't expect that poor of a defensive performance. I mean, the tackleing, I mean, the tackling was like I saw last night in the Jets game by the Jets.

That's how bad the tackling was. Boy, those games last night were horrible. Oh, horrible. Terrible. Aaron Glenn, he just got there and they're a train wreck. But I was disappointed. I'd be disappointed and surprised at how poorly the commanders responded defensively in that game. I mean, that's basically the big takeaway for me.

Yeah, I think, you know, I've spent a lot of time the last two shows talking about the defensive performance and where we are through four games. You know, I talked about on the podcast yesterday and did it on radio today and took calls on it. You know, we are almost at the quarter pole. We've got four games of the 17 in the rear view now. And, you know, what do we think? You know, what's the outlook? I mean, it's kind of hard with our team because two games were played without the team's best player.

And one game was played without the team's best player and debatably the team's second best player. And they lost that game. I actually do believe that if Jaden had played on Sunday and if Jaden and Terry had played. And if Jaden, Terry, and John Bates, and Noah Brown had played, I think Washington certainly could have and probably would have won that game. They kicked four field goals. I bet you they, on two of those drives, they end up scoring touchdowns. And we end up with a game that looked like the games last year, where Jaden's got the ball in his hands at the end in a, you know, in a 31 to 27 game with a chance to win it. But I think, you know, for me, I'm still optimistic

about this team because it hasn't played at full strength. It's won the two games that they were favored to win. It's lost the two games that they were underdogs in. You know, one and one without Jaden Daniels, O and one without Jaden and Terry. Injuries are a reality, and if they continue at an alarming rate, all bets are off. But if Jaden comes back and Terry comes back and they end up playing, you know,

the majority or all of the remaining games, I still think this is going to be a playoff team. and I think it's going to be offensive led, and I think it's going to look similar to last year. That's what I was going to ask you. Do you think that they can get through a whole season again basically outscoring the other teams every weekend? Yeah, I do. I think he's that good, and I think Kingsbury's good, even though I had a problem with them not running the football. I actually like their running back situation better than I did last year.

I think they've got real potential with Rodriguez and Bill and Jacori Kroski Merritt. You know, they certainly have bigger play potential out of the backfield. I mean, Rodriguez had a 48-yard run. We've already seen Bill rip off a couple of big chunk runs. Brian Robinson, Jr., had a couple of chunk runs, but I like their situation in the backfield. The receiver situation is a problem if they're going to be hurt there, as is the tight-end situation, the blocking tight end situation. But yeah, I still think they are capable

with Jaden Daniels of, you know, being in games in which the offense is good enough to overcome the deficiencies of the defense and win more games than they lose and win double-digit games and end up in the postseason with a chance to do some damage. You know, look, we both picked them to go to the Super Bowl a month ago or three and a half weeks ago.

I think that part of my Super Bowl prediction was just hoping the defense would be improved and thinking, well, it couldn't be worse than last year. Well, right now there's a chance that it will be just as bad as it was last year. Maybe in a slightly different way, because I do think they're better against the run than they were last year. And I think that might continue. but they got some real issues defensively, and it's going to be interesting to see, you know, what happens if they continue. Will there be personnel changes? Will Latimore get benched?

Will Sanra still move back outside? Will they take Bobby Wagner off the field if they can for a few plays? So he's not in coverage. It's really hard. See, Tommy, last year they played a lot of nickel as almost their base defense, and they got run on. This year, Wagner and Louvo are on the field for basically every single play. And they've got four down linemen in a lot of those situations as well. And they, you know, they've been better at stopping the run, but they are horrible right now on the back end.

They are not good in coverage. And, you know, Smute was on with me yesterday, and he kind of talked about this being, you know, a coaching issue, but all. also a personnel issue. It's somewhere in between. But he talked about some of the things they're doing from a coverage standpoint don't make sense, so much so that he thinks everything needs to get simplified on defense in the back end. But yeah, I mean, if they continue to be a bad defensive team, which they've been against the two decent offensive opponents they've faced, then I think they're going to have to do what they did last year. And I do think it's possible that they could do that nine or ten or eleven times this

year in the regular season and make it to the postseason. I might not be as enthusiastic about you, about that as you are, but I'm not going to dismiss it. You know, I still think it is possible as well. But I don't know. I mean, it seems like their defensive problems go a little bit deeper. Mikey Sanders still talked about his quote after the game. I think it's very easy to beat a defense that you know isn't out there focused at communicating the right way. Yeah.

That's not what you want one of your players to be saying after the game. And it's clear, I think, from Dan Quinn's comments since then, that they think there's a communication issue. Yeah, you know, Quinn said, which I think goes a little bit deeper than just the defense that's not very good. Yeah, I agree with that. I think I kind of sense that something, like there are two things kind of simmering right now, all right?

The thing you just mentioned, even Quinn yesterday, said that, you know, thought we could have stunted more up front. You know, last week he said, or after the Green Bay game, thought maybe we got away from the run a little bit and what happened in the Raiders game. So I do think there could be something simmering. You know, Marshawn Latimore took a veiled shot after the Green Bay game about the way they were playing some of the motions in man coverage. So now you get this San Ristol thing.

And I think the other thing that's simmering is the Terry situation still. And what I mean by that is, let's face it, this was not a comfortable deal over the summer. And the way it ended, it was not kumbaya. You know, Terry and his agent didn't get anywhere near what they wanted. And I think they felt slighted. And I think they were hurt all along, Terry was. and I think he's still not happy and he's hurt by the whole thing. And then last week we get this injury, this quad injury,

and we can't get anything from this organization about anything related to an injury. And last week we had, you know, he has seen multiple, you know, experts outside of the organization, including this doctor who's a renowned world expert on core muscle injuries or sports hernias, And, you know, we got more from Quinn on, you know, Terry's status. Now, all we got yesterday was it's looking better. The arrows pointed upward. He'll have more information on Wednesday. But I think those are the two simmering situations.

The players, and who knows, maybe even the head coach with Joe Whit Jr. And the Terry situation. I don't think I'm missing any, but we didn't have any. simmering situations last year. Last year was, you know, everybody's thrilled with what a great culture this team has now. And, oh, by the way, look at us, we are winning on the field. Yeah. It became such a surprise, and it was like, you know, it was that, oh, my God, we're not getting,

not only are we not getting hit on the head with a hammer anymore. We're getting our hairstyle. You know? We're getting hugged by everybody. Yeah, it's true. But, you know, the whole thing about Terry, I mean, I haven't followed it maybe as close as you have, but I think the beat writers have gone out of their way to say that what he has been doing is pretty normal in terms of seeking second opinions.

Yes, and Quinn pointed that out too. Yes, that's true. But Quinn had to respond to that, right? Like, all of that information was already out there. And we couldn't even find out what the knee injury was with Jaden Daniels. That's true, yeah. And I think that... They think that they act like they're a hockey team when it comes to injury.

Yeah, lower body or upper body or whatever it's called. Yeah, and I think, you know, back to Witt Jr., which I think is the more important one, because I still have faith that Terry is a really good player who's a pro and everything, you know, will come together when Jaden gets back and they start to get on the same page. You know, I hope we don't get every single time Terry catches a football in a home game or a road game like this Sunday in L.A. I don't think we need the Terry chance every time he catches a football and with him kind of directing the Terry chance. I don't have a problem with that. Yeah, I mean, any kind of response to get from this band base.

Let's focus on the team. I understand, but this is part of the whole situation, right? He's out, you know, for the first couple of days as a hold in and then as a hold out even signing, you know, autographs and really trying to emphasize for those that his agent was negotiating with. Look at how important I am. to the fan base. They love me.

They know how important I am. You know, and you guys don't seem to feel the same way. And then now it's carried over into the Raiders game. Like, at some point, it's not about you. It's about the team. That's my point. And I bet you the team's probably ready for it to be about them. Because I'll say this for the 30th time.

The team did not have to offer him anything. in the form of a contract extension. And they've given him $45 million of guaranteed money when they didn't have to do that. And they see it completely differently than he and his agent do. And that was always the disconnect.

We don't have to do this. We're doing this because we do like you and we do want you to be a part of this. And they said, yeah, but... You really got a blind spot here with Terry, I think. I don't think I do. I'm pretty sure it's clear vision. The things that he's doing,

even if they are, the motivation behind them is, you know, self-serving? Yeah. Self-serving. There's still positive things. Signing autographs for fans is a positive thing. Getting the fan base to cheer any player is a positive thing.

These are good things. You know what? No matter what its motivation is. You're right. On the surface, these are good things. And to have been there for maybe a day to sign a lot of autographs and to make it about him to have all that attention was great. And he's been great with the fans. To do it as many times as he did it, three times, three or four times showing up and doing it during a contract holdout, I thought was a bit strange.

And I think that, of course, you can't stop the fans for. chanting Terry. They love them. And a lot of these fans, they don't really follow the details of this. They just know that one of their favorite players and one of their best players hasn't been signed by the team yet. But I think that the reaction to it is a continuation of him saying and pointing up to, you know, the owner's booth and the general manager's box, see, you guys should have treated me the way they would have treated me. And I think there's a time for that to kind of run its course and can't stop the fans doing it, but you can't be a part of it saying, you know, leading the chant, which is essentially what he did after the touchdown that wasn't called a touchdown

and ended up being the play that he was heard on. I don't have a problem with what he's doing. Yeah, I don't have a problem. with him feeling that way. I have a problem now that we're into the regular season game if he's going to be the ringleader of this every single time it happens. Like it's about the team now. It's about the team.

And it's about him, by the way, getting healthy and being the significant contributor to the team that they're going to need him to be if they're going to end up winning 10, 11 games and being in the postseason. He doubt he's trying to do that. I don't. I don't. I just said that I think that this thing is still at least simmering. You know, it's gone from, you know, boiling hot to still simmering. Whereas Joe Witt's situation, the flame was off. Now it's on, and it's on at a very low flame, but it's got the ability to get heated up pretty quickly.

You know, the thing about the defense is there were two things that Quinn wanted to see. improved. And they emphasized these during the summer. And he was on with me and talked about these things right before the regular season began. And that was they wanted to be a better tackling team, and they wanted to take the ball away. And through four games, you know, they also wanted to be a better run-stopping team. And I'll give him credit. I think the addition of Kinlaw was a good addition. He's better than John Allen. And they are good in that area of the D-Line. And I I think Dorrance Armstrong's played well, and I think they've done a decent job of being an improved run-stopping team because they were terrible last year. But they were horrible Sunday tackling, and in four games, they have one takeaway, one.

And if they continue to either lose games or be close to losing games because of the defense, you know, they're going to look to make some changes. I'm not saying it's all on Witt Jr. I don't think it is all on Witt Jr. You know, Bobby Wagner is 36 years old. I said this the other day, Tommy, and you'll remember this. We used to say this about London Fletcher at the end. Love him. He's tough. He's an iron man. He's out there. He's smart. He's still a good run stopper. But you can't have him covering anybody at 35, 36 years old. But Joe Witt Jr. doesn't have a choice but to keep Bobby Wagner on the feet. field because they're a better run-stopping team with him on the field. He's the coach on the field.

He's a good blitzer, too. And occasionally, he's going to have to cover, and they're going to, teams are going to target that like they did on Sunday. But, you know, one takeaway, bad tackling, and I think it would not shock me. Like, we didn't know about the guard changes until, you know, until kickoff right before kickoff and sun, before the Raiders game. We didn't know that Brandon Coleman was going to be inactive. We didn't know Allegretti was going to be benched.

And I wouldn't be surprised if starting on Sunday there's at least a personnel change of sorts. You know, I don't know if it'll be Latimore getting benched. But it wouldn't surprise me if we see personnel changes. Maybe it's getting Jordan McGee into the game for, you know, plays. Yeah, to spell Bobby Wagner a little bit, give him an, and I, opportunity to come off the field. He has not come off the field yet this year. He's played every snap

defensively. And they need him out there. I know they do. Do you think in a situation where Joe Witt is the defense coordinator? He's Dan Quinn's guy. They were together in Dallas. Yes. You know, Quinn brought him here.

Right. But do you think that his job is harder because Quinn is a defensive guy? I don't know. I mean, it could go either way. If your boss did your job before you, that could be an asset,

but I think more times than not, it's a burden for you to deal with. You know, you just made me think of something, and I know it's not the first time I thought of it, because I think we talked about it briefly last week. What if the big change was Dan Quinn said, I'm taking over play calling on defense, something he's done his whole career until here. Yeah. Well, that would certainly immediately identify what he believes the problem is.

If we get some personnel changes, then that's either the problem or it's step one to identifying the problem. Joe Witt Jr. was always going to be on at least a warm seat heading into this season. defensive coordinator in his first year as a defensive coordinator having a bad defense goes into his second year almost by default on a somewhat warm to hot seat. Now, he's so close to Quinn, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. You know, I listened to Joe Witt going back to his first press conferences when he got here. you know, he's entertaining and he is forceful in his language and his beliefs as to what's going on.

Even before the season, there was some self-awareness there about being a little bit less hands-on and letting his coaches do more. Yeah, I don't know. I doubt we see any sort of in-season, you know, firing. I think if we saw any in-season issue or an event with Joe Witt, Jr., it might be Quinn taking over play-calling responsibilities. But, man, once you cross that line as a head coach, I mean, you've got your D.C. Dead Man Walking. You're looking for your next defensive coordinator.

But the players are going to. the players either through better execution or by complaining are going to either keep him in that job or potentially force him to, you know, to a different role. By the way, I haven't heard anything with respect to this. In fact, everybody I've talked to is essentially in that camp of there are a lot of things, a ton of things going on right now defensively. Like, it's a lot of things.

It's not one thing. So, yeah. I think they're going to win Sunday. I said it yesterday on the show if you missed it, but I'll say it with Tommy. I think they're going to beat the Chargers on Sunday. I don't see that happening. The Chargers are really banged up, but most importantly.

I know. They're missing their top offensive linemen. Well, their best offensive line. Lyman was lost before the season started, Roshan Slater. He's one of the best left tackles in the game. And then they lost Joe Walt on Sunday. Justin Herbert was the most pressured quarterback in the NFL on Sunday. Now, it's really important if you're getting excited about that possibility. The Giants are much better than Washington defensively, like much better. Like we don't have an Abdul Carter or a Brian Burns or a Kavanaugh or a Dexter Lawrence. The Giants are legit, really good and talented on defense.

And Justin Herbert was the most pressured quarterback on Sunday. And by the way, I read this too. He's been the most pressured quarterback in the league over the last two weeks per true media sports. I'm sorry. The second most. No, the most. Joe Flacco is the second most pressured. You know, they can run the football, though.

The rookie broke out. Hampton broke out with a good game on Sunday against the Giants. And they turned the ball over, too. It was kind of a self-inflicted loss. But no, I like Washington because the line is two and a half. And the betting public will be all over the L.A. Chargers. Sunday. Just like the betting public was all over Washington in Atlanta on Sunday. So I will definitely, Atlanta in the smell test Friday, I can almost guarantee you I will have Washington

in the smell test on Friday. And I think they win the game outright, especially with Jaden back. Anything else football-wise? Not related to the game, no. Okay. I want to get your baseball playoffs predictions. They are underway. The Cleveland Detroit game is a really good game so far as we're sitting here recording the show. We've got three more game ones today in the wild card round, but we'll get Tommy's thoughts and predictions on the baseball playoffs

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They are at home in this best of three first round series. all of the games played at the higher-seated teams field. All these games in Cleveland, they are facing one of the best pitchers who they've actually beaten in Scoob Bowl. And as we speak here, they are down 2 to 1 in the 8th inning. Who did you like before this particular series started? I like the Guardians. I mean, I like the momentum that they had coming into the postseason,

I think they have very good pitching, which will hold up well, particularly the bullpen in the post-game series. So I like the Guardians, not just to have beaten the tigers, but to move on all the way. Really? In the American League, you like them more than Seattle, more than Toronto, more than Boston, more than New York? Yes. Is that who you're picking to represent the American League?

League in the World Series? Well, if I'm going to be honest about it, you know, if they lose today, I mean, you're going to be in a hole. Yeah. But yes, I would say the Guardians, before the playoffs started, I thought my pick would have been the Guardian. All right. We get a rivalry first-round wild card series between Boston and New York. God, the Yankees, like Cleveland, were red-hot down the stretch.

Who do you like in that series? I like the Yankees in that series. I like the Yankees as well in that series. Look, my picks for this, we'll continue through this. No, go ahead. You do it the way you want to do it. I want to hear, give me what you've got planned to talk about. My picks for this would be, you know, network TV nightmare.

I've got the Guardians against the Padres in the world. Cleveland New New and Diego Oh Cleveland San Diego

Well it would be for me Well there are a couple of possibilities for terrible television you know matches having a Canadian team having Toronto up against let's just say

the Padres or the Brewers wouldn't be a compelling world series They want They want to see Phillies Dodge They want to see Dodgers Yankees again

Or at least Phillies Right Yes. Yeah. Yes. Any of those would work. But again, I like the Padres pitching.

They may have the best bullpen in the whole postseason, and I think that carries a lot of weight coming into this. I kind of like Detroit to beat Cleveland, and they're up two to one in the eighth. I understand that, so this looks completely bogus. But I think everybody kind of liked Cleveland with the way they overcame that deficit and with how hot they've been and how they've owned the tigers

and how the tigers basically choked like dogs down the stretch. But I bet you, like the Major League Baseball playoffs are so good because like the NFL every Sunday, it's completely unpredictable more times than not. These short series, especially the three and the five game series, I mean, these things are total crapshoot coin flips. Every great team during the course of it, the season has a two, three, four game losing skid, or loses two out of three, or three out of five, or four out of seven.

So I guess, you know, you're going with pitching, it sounds like. Yes, I generally do in the postseason. One of the things that's interesting about this postseason is it's a real mixture of big and small market teams, big spenders and small spenders. The American League playoff teams are ranked third, fifth, twelfth, 15th, and 25th in payroll. That's a good thing, right? That's a good thing. The National League, first, fourth, ninth, 11th, 22nd, and 23rd in payroll. And then a real good mixture.

You know, for all the crying about, you know, the big spenders and the Mets, you know, the second biggest spender in baseball didn't wind up making the playoffs. Baseball can argue, and they've had so many different teams win the World Series over the past 20 years that the way they're set up with the division

playoffs and broken up in divisions, that small market teams do have a chance and every postseason that gets proven. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Speaking of small market cheap teams.

Your Washington National have a press conference tomorrow, Wednesday, to announce their new president of baseball operations, Paul Tabani, who came from the Red Sox organization. The press conference is at 9 in the morning. I said to the PR people, I said, what is this guy a farmer? You've got to get up at 9 in a, have a press conference at 9 in the morning, but they're doing it for two reasons.

Yeah, the playoff games. Yes, and two, they want to get this under the way before everyone goes out to commander's practice. Oh, yeah, from a media standpoint, right, because tomorrow's Wednesday and the coach, yeah, I mean, look, there are other people in town for these various outlets that can cover the press conference while their football people are at the commander's practice. I think it makes more sense to hold this press conference before the playoffs start again, because all of the today's lineup is exactly tomorrow's line. lineup, you know, one through four, Detroit, Cleveland, Padres, Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Reds, Dodgers. So, yeah, I, I, um, we talked about Paul Tabani last weekend. And hopefully he took this gig with some sort of understanding that they're not going to behave like a small market franchise. But we'll see, because even those promises with this ownership group can sometimes be,

not necessarily firm. All right. Let me just tell you what I want to say. I was not, I watched the, I flipped on the end of the Marlins' Mets game. They were down four nothing. They lost two or three to the Marlins to blow their playoff chances. All they had to do because the Reds lost on Sunday was beat the Marlins on Sunday and they couldn't do it. You know, Juan Soto for the year that he had and he had a great, great season, he did not

play well over the weekend. He didn't hit well anyway. They needed more from him over the weekend. I looked at this earlier today. And in the game they had to have on Sunday, he was 0 for three. He was 0 for three on Saturday. Now, he did walk twice on Saturday. Friday night, he was two for four, but he did not have an RBI or a home run. And in fact, in their last eight games, just one home run and two RBIs for Soto. There was an 0 for 5 performance last week that was in a win. I wanted to see the Mets get in. I like watching Juan Soto in those big games.

It's entertaining, and I'm rooting for him. I root for Bryce Harper. I've told you that before. I know a lot of Nats fans hate it when people say that they root for Bryce Harper. don't blame him for leaving when he left. And I think he's a great player and one of the best clutch players in sports. So I was kind of hoping that we would get, you know, a Soto versus Harper. That would have been a second round series because the Mets would have been the six seed and would have faced the Dodgers. But I'm rooting for Harper. I want to see Harper come up big. When they

made it to the World Series a few years ago, how many clutch hits did he have in that postseason run before they got beat in the World Series? But yeah, you know, Milwaukee had the best record, Tommy, this year, and it seems like nobody's picking them. That's the way I, I think people like the Phillies, Dodgers, Mariners, and Yankees. That seems to be the group of teams that, you know, I've read a lot of the pundits, predictions and those seem to be the teams that most believe can get there. And people are discounting the two onesets. No one's picking the guardians and the Padres. I think people like the Padres chances because of their strong bullpen, right?

It's their strong bullpen? Yeah. But that should be a hell of a series. That is, tell me if I'm right about this, that's a rematch of the National League Championship series in 1984. four because the Tigers ended up playing the Padres in the World Series

and the Padres beat the Cubs and everybody was hoping that the Cubs would finally get through and they didn't. Would that have been Tony Gwynn in the Padres? 84, yeah. Yeah. I love this time of year. It's great. I mean, especially like in this first game,

we get into the ninth inning and it's every pitch that ends up being pretty damn dramatic. All right, we got a little bit more show to go. So your pick is Cleveland, San Diego, and who wins it? I didn't say who wins it. Cleveland. Cleveland. Finally.

Cleveland over San Diego. Their first World Series win since 1954, I think. No, no, since 1948. Sorry. Yeah, it's 48. They had that chance against the Marlins. until the bottom of the ninth of game seven. Yeah.

Right. I was there for that. All right. We've got more show after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelley's. Well, right now, Shelley's back room, I think they're going to change the name to baseball Shelley's back room, because it's baseball time at Shelley's back room.

If you walk into Shelley's... Got hot dogs going? 31? No, they are better than hot dogs, okay? If they had hot dogs, it would be with their own special blend. Of course it would be. Yeah. All beef, you know, because that's how we did.

All kind of sauces and probably some sauces you wouldn't like, I'm guessing. Well, I just have to pick out those. Yeah. That's all. Right. Just pick those out. Do you like avocados? No, we've been through this.

We just threw this last week. I don't like avocado. A friend of front of those. a friend of mine came up to me about a week ago and said, hey, Kevin, do you like avocados? And he just started laughing. He goes, Laverro's the best during the Shelley's commercials. All right, continue.

Well, it's baseball shelley's today. Yeah. If you walk in pretty much any time of day, they'll be baseball on. Okay. And they have these eight high-definition TVs where you can sit in comfortable, leather chairs, beautiful, comfortable couches, and enjoy watching the game. And here's the best part, which you can't do anyplace else

with that level of comfort. You can smoke while you're watching the game. You can puff on your favorite cigar or a cigar that you want to try. Shelly's has the great selection of cigars. Cigar Fissionado Magazine, the top 25 cigars every year. showies always have those cigars in their selection. You know, the first time I went to Fenway Park was in 1993,

and they sold cigars in the concession stand. Yeah. They actually sold cigars. Yeah. So you know where they're not selling them? They're not selling them at FedEx Field right outside the press area. They're not doing that. Yes.

Yes, they're not. they're not, but they're going to pay for that sooner or later. They should. I mean, in the old days, you look at old newsreels of baseball games. There's guys in suits and ties with hats, smoking cigars. Okay? Right. You can kind of reenact that when you go to Shell.

You can leave the suit and tie at home wherever casual you want to wear and puff on a smoke while your favorite pitcher is striking out, you know, the opposing better. It'll be baseball shelley's for the next three days. You know, there's something about the baseball playoffs that just bring up memories

for me, like coming home from school a weekday afternoon, and there's a game on. You know, if you're actually a working stiff somewhere downtown, that's the way Tommy refers to you people that walk by him in, you know, dress clothes, going to your next meeting

as he's sitting outside at Shelley. smoking on a cigar, drinking a beer, and popping in, popping his head in for a conversation or two. I can only imagine on a beautiful fall day, and we've got some beautiful fall days this week, the weather gorgeous, how nice it would be to be, you know, afternoon baseball at Shelleys. Yeah. Yes. For sure. Absolutely.

Absolutely. It's a dream come true, baby. Dream come true. Yes. I wanted to read this because I do think it's something that you, based on where you live in Frederick, should be aware of if you're not already. It comes from the Maryland Department of Natural Resources. They are reminding residents in Garrett County, Maryland, Allegheny County, Maryland, Washington County, Maryland, and Frederick County, Maryland. that this is the beginning of black bear feeding season.

Their feeding activity, black bears, in preparation for hibernation, increases. As the leaves change and the weather cools, bears will travel across roads more frequently. They can also become more attracted to human-provided food sources and lose their natural fear of people which can be dangerous for both.

people and the bears. Have you, do you get these notices living in Frederick County about the ever-growing black bear population in the western part of Maryland? No. No, I don't. What am I supposed to feed the bears when they come to my house? You know, I actually think the bears would be quite friendly to you, because you'd have, you'd have something.

I mean, I would assume, you know, meat would be a good starter. You know, they're getting ready to go into hibernation. Custom blend. Yeah, Shelly's custom blend burger, probably, if you want to bring a couple of those home. You know, make sure there's no avocados or salsa on them because I don't think the bears want that. Absolutely. You know, where I lived in the Poconos, bears are very common. Right.

Like my sister-in-law, they live, they live. They live like on a small, on the back mountain road. They see bears all the time. But I've never seen a bear. I have. By the way, some of these bears make it down to Montgomery County and even into the city occasionally. I remember last year, I think it was. There was a black bear actually spotted in, I think, southwest or northwest D.C.

There are, by the way, now wolves in D.C. we had one in our neighborhood a few months back. But when we used to go out to Deep Creek Lake, you know, a couple of times a year and loved it in the fall and in the winter. And my brother-in-law and sister-in-law had a house out there on the lake for several years. And we ended up using it a lot and loved it out there. But you would, I mean, you had to protect and, you know, you had to basically lock your trash cans. and I saw a couple over the years, especially around trash cans,

you know, in the fall and in the spring. They're beautiful animals, but you don't want to mess with them. You know, they're probably, I think it's true, and I shouldn't be giving this as advice. I think as long as you don't act afraid, black bears more likely than not aren't going to bother you,

and maybe they'll end up being afraid. You know, it's the polar bears, you're dead. You know, if you see a polar bear, you're basically dead. Brown bears are more aggressive. But I think black bears, which is the kind of bear that exists on the East Coast in our neck of the woods, I think that, you know, the number of incidents with humans far less than if you had to deal with polar bears in Alaska. I think bear hunting season is about to start. It's literally, I remember this from, I don't know if it's still the same, but it's almost like, it's like a three-day hunt, and that's it.

In October. Yeah, exactly. It's sometime during the fall. Yeah, there's like, and it is limited to the counties that you mentioned. Oh, do they have a black bear hunt in Frederick? Because I would have thought it would have been just way out in Garrett County. No. Frederick County, Garrett, Washington, and Allegheny.

is where bear hunting is limited. Yeah, it's six days. Six days October 24th through October 20th. Oh, this was 2022, my fault. But yeah, it's a very short season. And, well, here, September 3rd, this was written September 3rd, 2025. I guess once you get to a certain number of black bears, it ends. And if you don't get to it after six days, it's over.

Six-day bear hunting season. Uh-huh. Yeah. I'm just, you got to apply for, through a lottery to get. A lottery. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lottery.

It's a whole big thing. Right. I never went hunting when I was a kid. You know, it's funny for me, moving from New York City to the Poconos was a bit of a culture shock. Yeah. Because a lot of my friends then, you know, they went hunting and they went fishing. and they went fishing

and I didn't do either of those things I tried to go fishing I wasn't very good I wasn't an accomplished fisherman like you are I didn't say that I actually was

I mean I grew up trapped fishing as a fly fisherman I know I know yeah I'm paying tribute to you well you don't have to pay tribute to me I've been fly fishing

one time in like the last 15 years and that was with Cooley out in Wyoming And it was a blast. By the way... Do you ever hunt? No. So I think I've talked about this before. My father hunted never got me into hunting.

My oldest son, who by the way, Casey, happy birthday. It's his birthday today. He is hunted a lot. He hunted with my father-in-law and brother-in-law from like age 12 through 18. and then when he went to TCU, I mean, you know, a lot of his friends had, you know, places where they went hunting on the weekends. I have never shot a gun at an animal. I have gone skeet shooting and I find that to be fun. I've done that a number of times, but I've never hunted.

Fished, never hunted. I actually bet it would be peaceful, but I think I would be the hunter that would sit, you know, in a deer stand. and, you know, basically ignore what's going on around me. I know a guy who does that, and he bow and arrow hunts. Uh-huh. And he sits up in a, you know, like a tree stand. Yeah. And he wears diapers.

So he doesn't have to take a bathroom break. Oh, God. That sounds lovely. That sounds so great. That hunting, baby. You didn't see that on Wild Kingdom. No, you didn't. All right, two more things to get to before we finish up for the date.

The first is this. ESPN came out with their first month of 2025 college football season rankings of freshman players in America. The number one freshman player in college football so far is Maryland quarterback Malik Washington. Going while he's here. Washington currently ranks. among the nation's top 25 in both passing yards and touchdowns through four games. Two other Maryland players are on this list. Zahir Mathis and Sidney Stewart.

Sidney Stewart, number 29 for the Terps, is an NFL player, and he's a freshman. And Mathis is really good, too. Maryland's defense is actually, I think, going to be their calling card. the rest of the season, even more so than Malik Washington. But congrats. I mean, no one has ever disputed Mike Loxley's ability to recruit. And they play Washington this weekend. They are a six-point underdog right now at home against Washington who just lost to Ohio State in Seattle.

So I think, you know, I think this is a bowl season with the way Maryland started this season. I'm still skeptical as to whether or not this is a good team. Wisconsin had a terrible quarterback situation, and their first three games were against Florida, Atlantic, Northern Illinois, and Towson. So the next two games, Washington Saturday at home, and then Nebraska, a week from Saturday at home, I think they're winnable. Both of those games are winnable.

And I think, you know, you got to win one of those. if you're going to go be an eight, you know, nine-win type of team this year. And if they do win both of them, Tommy, they play UCLA on the road after that, and UCLA is truly terrible this year. They could be 7-0 with a top 10 team, Indiana, heading to College Park on November 1st. Indiana is legit good. Now, they play Oregon after their by week this week,

so they may not be undefeated then, but that'll be a huge game. but the Terps would be ranked at that point too. I mean, I do this every year, and so many of you call me out court, where it's like Marilyn's 3 and 0 or 4 and I'm like, Tommy, they might be good. This might, if they can get through these couple of games, and then you find out that they really weren't that once they started the heart of the Big Ten schedule. But they don't play Ohio State. They don't play Penn State this year.

And they don't play Oregon. They don't play three of the four best Big Ten teams. They do play Indiana. They do play Michigan. But we'll see. I'm rooting for them. I hope they get a good crowd on Saturday. I'm not going Saturday.

I am going the following Saturday against Nebraska. So looking forward to that. All right. I know you wanted to finish up the show with something of an anniversary of one of the most incredible fights in the history of boxing. We'll get to that after these words from a few of our sponsors. That was the biggest round of the fight for anybody. Prezier was within a bunch or two of going down. The doctor comes up and looks at Frazier.

I think it's going to be over. It's all over. That was the call from Don Dunphy. 50 years ago tomorrow, the end of the Thrilla in Manila. Joe Frazier does not come out for the 15th round. and in the third of three incredible fights, Muhammad Ali won the fight, but perhaps that was the beginning of the end of his career.

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and they've got everything you could want for the baseball playoffs, prop bets, same thing for all of the football coming up this weekend. Again, go to the kevin shiann show.com slash my bookie. All right, Tommy, 50 years ago tomorrow, the thrilla in Manila. Was I right that that was basically it for Ali that that fight took so much out of him that he was never the same afterwards. Yeah, he fought a few steps after that. And actually, he wound up losing to Leon Spink. Right. And regained. A couple years later, who had only had nine professional fights. Ali came back to beat Spinks in a rematch. But yeah, I mean, Manila took a lot out of both those fighters. That was the end of both their careers.

And what's interesting is, you know, you had three Ali Fraser fights, the middle one, neither one was the champion. It was not for a title, and it was pretty ugly fight that Ali won. But the two in between the first one and the third one are maybe the top two greatest heavyweight fights, championship fights of all time. And I point out in a column I'm writing for the Mars paper, what are the big differences is the first one, it was a great fight, but the hype leading up to the fight was maybe even greater. Tom, the most hyped sporting event, March of 1971, the first Ali Frazier fight,

that was the most hyped sporting event of the 20th century, right? Was there anything more hyped than that? maybe the Joe Lewis Max Schmelling like 96 when we're on the brink of World War II not 96 yeah in 36 I mean 36 but uh 38 I mean

38 yeah so uh yeah but the difference is you're right it was so hyped and the fight lived up to the hype but the third fight was not nearly as hyped you know I mean a lot of people thought Fraser was washed up by that point.

And that's one of the reasons that Ali took the fight because he thought it would be a relatively easy payday against Fraser. And it was just the opposite. I mean, after 10 rounds, Fraser was winning the fight. Yeah. You know, and Eddie Futch told me in an interview years later, Fraser, Frasier's Cornerman,

trainer, yep. Yeah. He said at the end of the 10th round, Ali was ready to come out. He said Ali was ready to quit. Ansel Dundee pushed him back in. He was ready to quit after 10 rounds, according to Futch. And that's when Ali started to come on, and that's when the swelling started around Fraser's eyes.

And with each round, he saw less and less of the punches. And Ali was dominating the last five rounds until by the time the 14th round came around, that he just wasn't seeing the punches anymore. Right. He was fighting like a blind man. And actually it turned out years later, Joe Fraser was blind in one eye, legally blinded in one eye. Yeah, Futch. No one knew it.

Futch was never, correct me if I'm wrong. Futch, I mean, this, okay, it's not as hyped. Nothing could have been hyped as much as, you know, that first fight in March of 71. But it was still Frazier Ali. It was the final leg of this incredible trilogy. and Ali, by the way, was the reigning champion because he had beaten George Foreman in Zaire. And so he had a few fights, I think, before then,

because the Foreman fight was in 74. And the Fraser fight. He had a couple of fights. I think he fought Joe Buckner, maybe somebody else before he fought Fraser. But they really did not think that Fraser would give them the fight that Joe wound up giving them. I was going to say is Futch was never really criticized for throwing the talon for Frazier.

He was praised because essentially he saved his fighter from not only a lost eye potentially, but something much worse because Frazier could not see at that point. Yes. This is what Eddie told me. Joe Fraser had a very lovely family. I saw how much time, how much of himself he put into his family. he and his kids were very close. I just couldn't see myself letting this man possibly wind up a vegetable or be injured fatally,

not when he had so much to live for. So yeah, Eddie Futch, look, Eddie Futch is one of my heroes. I mean, I got to know him when he trained Riddick Bo. And this is what a stand-up guy Eddie Futch was. He trained Michael Spinks, and he trained Larry Holmes. Yeah. Okay. Now, when Michael Spinks fought Larry Holmes for the heavyweight title, Eddie Futch had to make a choice.

And, you know, a trainer in a big heavyweight fight like that back then, a trainer would get a quarter of a million dollars of a payday in a fight like that. Eddie didn't train either one for that fight. He sat to fight out. He said he couldn't pick one of his fighters over the other. So he turned down probably a $200,000 pay date because he just couldn't bring himself to pick one of his fighters over the other. That's what a stand-up guy Eddie Futch was. The setting of this fight in Manila, they fought at 10 a.m. local time because of the time differences in the U.S. in this massive worldwide closed circuit television audience, but really so that it would,

be convenient for people in the U.S. And Ferdy Pacheco, Ali's ring doctor, ring physician, said, quote, at 10 a.m., the stickiness of the night was still there, but cooked by the sun. So what you got is boiling water for atmosphere. The conditions inside the aluminum-roofed Philippine Coliseum were so intensely hot. I've never before felt heat like that in my life. Not a breath of air, nothing, and it was just sitting there. Can you imagine being in the ring?

I don't know how they did it. The estimates were that in that building, when you included the lights for TV, the temperature was 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Oh, my God. That's amazing. It was a 15 rounds Fight 15 rounds

I mean A 14 rounds I mean A 15 rounds A 15 round fight Ali said it was the closest to death He's ever He's ever been When when

Fraser didn't come out Allie collapsed In the corner Collapsed Yes Yeah It is one It's one of those

Yeah You get a chance To watch it on YouTube Yeah Take your opportunity to do that It is incredible It is two warriors literally fighting to their near death. And it was, I mean, I've seen that fight so many times.

Ali was 33, Frazier was 31 at the time. And yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I think a lot of people kind of believe that that is the fight that kind of did Ali in, and he should have retired after that fight. Of course, he didn't. he went on to fight for another six or seven years. The Holmes fight was 1980, right? Yeah.

And then he went on to fight a couple more times after that. All right, 50 years ago. Wow. Amazing. The fights in the 70s, the heavyweights in the 70s, and then the 80s, I don't think boxing's ever been better in my lifetime. I'm not saying that prior to the 70s, there weren't great boxing decades.

but the heavyweights in the 70s and then those middleweight divisions in particular in the 80s were so special. And boxing was a much bigger deal than it is now. And you could read my column in tomorrow's Boston Time. All right. Anything else? I got nothing else for you today, boss. All right, we'll talk on Thursday and we'll get your prediction on Thursday for the game Sunday in L.A. the Chargers. I'm back tomorrow. Steve Suter will have another film breakdown. Definitely interested to see what he says about two things. The secondary, the defense in particular,

and then whether or not Cliff should have run the football more. We'll do that tomorrow. Muhammad, I'd like to ask you about the fight. Just a question. Did you have any doubt about winning at any time? I'm surprised Joe had so much stamina, as surprise he wasn't shape he was, and if I didn't have the condition, I know I would have to walk, so it was too much pressure. I think he deserved a lot of people.

He is the greatest fighter of all times next to me. Except for you.