The Kevin Sheehan Show - Six Bold Draft Predictions

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

Kevin opened with "Six Bold NFL Draft Predictions". Three of which were Washington-related; three of which were NFL-related. He also had a quick review of the wide receivers in the draft. Al Galdi jumped on to talk Commanders draft, Caps, and Nats. Doc Walker joined Kevin to talk about the NFL Draft as well.  Go to zbiotics.com/SHEEHAN and use SHEEHAN at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.Goldbelly.com, code sheehan, for free shipping and 20% off your first order of food from around the US.  Go To WindowNation.com. Buy 4 windows, get 4 free!Betting on sports? Go to www.mybookie.ag. Use code KEVINDC for a bonus! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Doc Walker, Al Galdi, both on the show with me today. A show presented, as always, by Window Nation, 86690 Nation or Window Nation.com, if you need new windows. I have a favor to ask here at the beginning of the show. Many of you have done this already, but most of you have not. I know that because I know. know how many ratings and reviews we've gotten, and I know how many people listen to the show on average. And it's a small percentage of the audience that's actually rated and reviewed the show. I know it's something that you probably don't think of, but if you have a minute to spare, if you could rate and review the show, especially on Apple, it's huge for us. The ratings are by stars, up to five stars. If you see fit, obviously that would be the

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Not all of them are, but I'm going to share those with you momentarily. And then I'll get to the receivers. I did running backs on Monday. I did defensive ends, edges yesterday. I'll probably do corners tomorrow. I'm not going to do offensive line. We've talked about this before. I mean, there are people that, you know, truly understand offensive line play

and can analyze, you know, a college offensive line. By the way, it's hard to evaluate offensive linemen in college these days because, you know, there's so much spread. It's just different in college in a lot of situations. But I'll leave that up to the, you know, coolies. Logan Paulsons of the world. Logan, by the way, was on radio with me today. He's so good.

He evaluated like 175 players and has an actual big board. I mean, Doc and I joke about big boards, but he actually has a big board. So he was on radio with me today in the second hour of the show, if you want to listen to it at the team 980.com. All right. Oh, this is what I wanted to start with. because I saw this right after the radio show today, and it didn't make any sense to me at all. And then I investigated it.

It still doesn't make that much sense, but it's college sports-related, college basketball-related. Just hear me out. I'll get through it quickly. So I saw this story this morning after the radio show, early this afternoon after the radio show. Julian Reese, Maryland's center for the last four seasons, is entering the transfer portal.

I'm like, well, how can he do that? He has no eligibility remaining. The last game he played was the Sweet 16 game against Florida. How can Julian Reese enter the transfer portal? He doesn't have any remaining eligibility. Well, apparently he might, and many other players may actually have more eligibility left than they thought. And this is not COVID-related.

You know, this isn't the craziness of, you know, people getting a year or an extra two years because of COVID. This is, you know, the rule has always been, take the COVID years out, and it still is, as of now, you've got five years to play four. You know, so there's a redshirt possibility in there if you're injured or if you're not ready to play. But you only have four full seasons to play. So I saw this story and basically here's the deal. There's a looming house versus NCAA antitrust settlement that is coming, a decision that's coming. And part of that may change the NCAA eligibility rules. Right now you've got five to play four, five years to play four.

But five years to play five may be coming to a theater near you soon. Yes, who knew? I didn't. The transfer portal is crazy enough. It's unrestricted free agency twice a year in football. Once a year in basketball, it happened during the NCAA tournament, which is also kind of stupid. And, you know, players are just jumping from one school to the next, whoever's got the most money in a lot of cases. But this is different. This is five years of college eligibility. So freshman year, sophomore year, junior year, senior year, and second senior year. This isn't, you know, a fifth year grad student transfer. So players that have used up eligibility who may regain a year of eligibility are putting their names into the transfer portal and Juju Reese was one of those guys. Now, I don't know if that means if they pass this, if there's actually a fifth year of eligibility that Reese will transfer from Maryland. He might, but he's got to put his name into the portal to be eligible to play next year

if they actually retroactively give him a fifth year. Lots of, you know, expiring senior players are doing that right now, or just did it at the deadline of the portal, I guess it was. College sports, man, it's hard to kind of follow what's going on. You know, I thought it was potentially going to ruin. the interest in it. For me, once the games started in college football last year, once the game started in college basketball this year,

I was into it. I mean, you figured it out. You know, the thing about college sports, and it's always been true, the value in these, in football and basketball, all due respect to the players, is the brand is not the players. The brand is the uniform.

The brand in many cases is the coach. who's been there forever. But the brand is the uniform. The players are leveraging the brand. It's not vice versa. I know this is an argument starter for many of you. Look, they're getting paid now. Okay, so you got what you wanted.

But I always felt like the value equation wasn't as lopsided as many thought. I thought the marketing platform alone was worth millions in some cases to players. they needed college sports to raise their profile, not only so that they could get drafted and earn a lot more money in their first contract, but from an endorsement standpoint, once they got to the NFL or got to the NBA. And they weren't going to do that without the long history of the uniforms in which they played in. And the profile that they had in the fall playing, you know, SEC big-time college games or in March Madness.

All right, let's get to some draft talk. I know that's what you want. All right, I've got three. I'm going to start with three NFL draft predictions. I think they're bold. I think they're actually bold predictions. Number one is this. Only one quarterback goes in the first round.

The over under, by the way, at my bookie is two and a half on quarterbacks taken in the first round. I'm going one quarterback. There's only one quarterback to me that looks like the real deal. And that's Cam Ward. I like Cam Ward. I think there's some tape and there's some games that you watched, if you watch college football this year, where he tries to play some hero ball, which, by the way, was the same thing said about Caleb Williams at USC.

Same thing said at times about Jaden Daniels at LSU. Ironically, the three quarterbacks that I just mentioned, Caleb, Jaden, and then Cam Ward, they all had one thing in common. They all three played on teams that had terrible defenses, and they needed to play hero ball at times to keep their teams in games. Miami was terrible defensively this year. I like Cam Ward. He's, you know, the size at six one and a half is a bit of a concern, but he's not Kyler Murray. But I love his quick release. I love his processing.

I think he throws with anticipation. He's a playmaker off schedule. I think he's going to be a really good quarterback. Somebody asked me, and let me see where it is. Hold on. This came from Will. Will wrote Kevin. I know there's no need to review the quarterbacks in the draft for obvious reasons.

But you've said you really like Cam Ward. Where do you think he would have been drafted last year? I think you would have been drafted after Jaden. after Caleb Williams, after Drake May, after Michael Pennix Jr. I actually liked the Pennix Jr. behind Caleb and Jaden. I liked him more than Drake May. But I think he would have been picked ahead of Knicks for sure, and probably J.J. McCarthy, although, God, man, a lot of people like J.J. McCarthy last year.

Anyway, the prediction number one for the NFL draft is one quarterback goes in the first round. That's bold with the over-under. two and a half. I just don't see it with the other guys personally. I've talked during the course of the year. I don't see it with Shadur Sanders. I mean, I just think he holds it too long. I don't think he sees it. And I don't think he's, you know, he's certainly not a big time athlete like his father. He's, you know, his arm is okay. You know, he has got a cool and a poise to him, no doubt. But I think that's going to be the story of tomorrow night is where does he go? If he doesn't go to, he doesn't go to in New Orleans at 9 or Pittsburgh at 21.

He's not going in the first round. Tyler Shook, I don't see as a first round guy. He's probably the guy that looks the part the most at 6'5, but he's 25 going to be 26 years old. He's been playing forever. I'm not a Jackson Dart guy. I think that's mostly scheme with Lane Kiffin. By the way, Tyler Shook at Louisville scheme with Jeff Brom to a certain extent.

He's the one that really looks the part after Cam Ward. Dart, he looks like a lot. a backup to me. This kind of feels like the 2022 draft, where Kenny Pickett was the only player picked in the first round. Now, big difference between Cam Ward and Kenny Pickett. Cam Ward is a legit upper tier prospect. I have no problem with Tennessee taking him at number one. So, bold NFL prediction number one, only one QB goes in the first round.

Number two, the first wide receiver taken in the draft will not be the consensus favorite to be the first receiver taken in the draft. And that would be Ted McMillan from Arizona. He's currently minus 290 to be the first receiver taken at mybooky.orgie.org. promo code Kevin D.C. for a cash bonus. I think another receiver goes before him. Matt Golden, Luther Burden. It's not a great first round wide receiver draft.

And I don't see it with him. He's not Mike Evans. I'll have more on that when I get to the receiver. So bold prediction number two, the consensus first receiver taken, Ted McMillan from Arizona, is not the first receiver taken in the draft. And then NFL prediction number three, the Bengals at 17 will take a pass rusher, maybe Mike Green from Marshall, and then they will trade Trey Hendrickson to, drumroll, New England. not Washington. New England's got a lot of draft picks. They've got two third rounders. They have a lot of cap space.

Trey Hendrickson, after the Bengals take a pass rusher in the first round, will be traded to New England for a second and a third rounder. The price will drop. That's what teams have been waiting for. New England's got two third rounders. They've got their second rounder. They've got cap space. The Bengals take a pass rusher at 17 and then trade Trey Hendrickson. bold prediction number three. All right. Three, not necessarily all bold Washington draft predictions, but I think the final two are. The first one I don't think is bold. Washington's not going to trade back. I just said that one quarterback goes in the first round, which, you know, again, the over under is two and a half, so that's pretty bold. But if just one quarterback goes in the first round, there's not a lot of people looking to trade into the back half of the first round for a quarterback. So I think Washington ends up picking at 29. That's Washington draft prediction number one. Number two and number three are kind of tied together. Number two is this. I think the only edge

pass rusher that they'll take at 29. You know, and this, by the way, considers the group that could be available at 29. Obviously, Abdul Carter is not going to be available. I don't think Mike Green's going to be available. I think Donovan Azaruko from Boston College would be the only edge defensive end at 29 that they would take, of the players that might be available at 29 at that position. I talked about him yesterday. He's an exceptional pass rusher. He would probably be a guy they would view as a guy that would have the potential to replace the 10.5. half sacks from Fowler Jr. He's not an all-down defensive end, not as a rookie, I don't think,

not at 245, 250, but he is a real good pass rusher. And I think they like him, and I think that he would be the highest player rated on their board at 29 if he's there. All right? So bold prediction for Washington number two after number one, they're not going to trade back, is that the only edge rusher in the first round they will take at 29 is Donovan Azaruko from Boston College. And again, that considers the edge defensive ends that would likely or could be there at 29. And that dovetails into prediction number three for Washington. And that is that Donovan Azaruko isn't there. And so Washington does not take a defensive end, an edge rusher,

with their first round pick. So the pick will either be a corner or an offensive lineman. I don't think he's going to be there at 29. He's too good of a pass rusher. And there are too many teams that are going to be looking for a pure pass rusher. I think he's gone by 29. If he's there, they take him. That's the prediction.

If he's there, they absolutely take him. If he's not there, they pass on the others that would be there, and they take another position. Corner or offensive lineman more likely than, say, a running back. You know, I don't see a running back other than Genty being selected in the first round. I did say the other day that Trayvion Henderson, if he were taken in the first round, I would get it because he's got the biggest kind of home run, you know, on any given. play potential. And I think Washington will like the player because not only would he look great next

to Jaden Daniels, apparently he's an incredible kid and does everything, including, you know, pass block. And look, they're not going to have any backs, you know, after this year under contract. They're going to draft a running back. And the draft is so deep, they're going to be able to get a good one on night two or maybe even day three. But the prediction number three is that Azaruko won't be there at 29, and therefore they're not going to take an edge defensive end at 29.

By the way, I wouldn't discount a tight end like Mason Taylor. I mean, I think there's a chance he could sneak his way into the first round. He played with Jaden at LSU. I love him as a player. Warren and Loveland will be gone. I think that... I'm saying corner or offensive linemen because that would be to me the best player available if Ezraaku is not there. But, you know, I'm not discounting other positions there.

Igbuka to me is just a good number two. I don't see him going in the first round to Washington. I think Washington feels like receiver-wise, they're good. We'll see. Let me just say this. Like if they had a first round grade designation and he was their best player available, I don't think he would be, but I'm just saying if J.T. Tui Moloowal from Ohio State was there and they took him, I'd be thrilled because I think he's going to go much higher than people think.

I see him end a first round early second round. You know, a Landon Jackson from Arkansas, I would kind of feel the same way. Nick Scorton, maybe not as much from Texas A&M, but I, Again, the prediction is if it's not as a Raku, they don't go defensive end at 29. All right. Let me get to the receivers real quickly that I liked that I like in this draft. Again, if you missed it, I did running backs. On Monday, I did the Edge's defense events on yesterday's show.

Tomorrow I'll do corners, and again, the offensive line will leave to people much more advanced at this than me. So the receivers that I've already mentioned, Ted McMillan, he's not Mike Evans for me, okay? He's big, he's got good hands, he's long, he, you know, he's going to be a good receiver, I think. I just don't think he deserves to be top 10, top 15. I don't. The receiver that I've liked forever now, even though I said last Friday that I don't think Washington will select him, but I've just been a huge Luther Burden fan for a long time. He was great in 2023.

He was not as good in 2024. The reason I said Washington wouldn't take him, I said that they won't take Hampton because I don't think there's a running back other than Gentie worth taking in the first round. I said James Pierce Jr. has way too many red flags on his work ethic. They won't take him.

And I said they wouldn't take Luther Burden the third because there is a concern that he takes plays off. and that when it's not called in his direction, he's not necessarily the hungriest of blockers or selling that he could be the number one option on a play. And that's exactly why they traded John Dotson. And there are similarities in the two. But I love the player. I don't think he's to re-kill, but I think he's got a lot of kind of poor man's to

re-kill in him. He had a great 23, not as good of a 24. part of that is because Missouri just wasn't as good in 24 as they were in 23. And I went back and looked at this with Luther Burden. They played some pretty poor defensive teams, even in the SEC. LSU included in his 2023 season, they played much better defensive teams on their schedule in 2024. But I think he's got, I mean, he separates, he's incredible after the catch. he's just an electric receiver.

I like him a lot. He just always seemed to be running free when you watched Missouri. Open, catch, and then making people miss. But again, if there is kind of a work ethic, even if it's a pinkish flag, you know, not totally bright red, I don't think Washington will take him.

Look, I like Matthew Golden a lot. I think he's polished, even though he only played really one year at Texas. He ran 429 at the 40. You know, it was like the fastest time in a long time. He doesn't look 429 on the field. I'll just mention that. He looks fast and he looks, you know, like he's explosive.

But 429, he doesn't look like Xavier Worthy looked, you know, at Kansas City last year when he, you know, would run a reverse and you're like, oh, my God, look at how fast that dude is. He doesn't show that. as a player. I think it's possible, you know, in my bold predictions, Ted McMillan's not the first, that Golden ends up being the first. But I don't know. By the way, he is a good kickoff return guy as well. He had multiple kickoff returns, big, big kickoff returns. So you could look at that part of it too. So I don't love Ted

McMillan. I love Luther Burden. I like Matt Golden. I like Matt Golden. I like the kid from Iowa State, Jalen Noel, but there's a receiver that I really like a lot. And I don't get why he's not a projected late first at least, worst case, early second at the very least. And that is Kyle Williams from Washington State. go watch number two from Washington State.

Just watch the incredible separation he gets as a route runner. He is, I think, an elite-level route runner who also has quicks and 4-4-40 speed. He can take it 80 yards on a slant. He can beat you deep. He's 5-11. He's 190. He was Cam Ward's number one wide receiver at Washington State. when Cam Ward was there in 2023.

This guy's had some massive games. He had 14 touchdowns this year. I had somebody tell me, you got to go watch Kyle Williams, a friend of mine, say, that's the guy you're going to love. By the way, there's some Luther Burden similarities, you know, size-wise. Kyle Williams, to me, is an NFL starting wide receiver. He's versatile, too. He can play anywhere.

He has small hands. I read that about him, but you watch him, he doesn't appear to have an issue catching the football. He doesn't have super long arms. Like the athletic part of it, other than the 40 time, is not like, you know, an imposing physical. He is just incredibly quick off the line of scrimmage. Logan Paulson said to me today,

because I asked him about Kyle Williams, and he said, he's a receiver's receiver. And I said, what do you mean by that? Everything that you want to see in a receiver, a polished receiver from a route running standpoint, he does it. He loves the player. He just, he's so quick, he's so sudden,

he just gets open. He can track the ball, you know, on a deep ball. I was trying to find out more about his character and didn't see anything negative about him. Maybe he's not an elite blocker, okay? But, God, I could see him and Debo and Terry on the field, and they'd have a difficult time. He would be a very, I think he's going to be a tough cover at the NFL level.

You know, you see that too with receivers second, third round all the time. I don't even know who my comp is for him. I didn't really think about comps. He played at UNLV before he ended up at Washington State. Here's the thing about Washington State this past season, is that they weren't in the Pact 12 anymore. So they did not play a great schedule. They did play Boise, who was in the playoff.

But his 23 season with Cam Ward was exceptional. He had massive games against good opponents like Oregon and Washington, you know, Bo Nicks, Oregon, and Mike. Penex Jr., Washington, when those teams were in the top five, top ten. They played Oregon State that year when Oregon State was in the top 10, top 15. He's like, he's up there, man, among like the players that I really, really liked, that I didn't really watch that much of because I didn't really see Oregon State, I mean, Washington State this year.

I like Ty Felton. I mentioned Ty Felton before the Maryland receiver. I've watched a lot of him. He was so good this year. He was one of the best receivers in the Big Ten with not a great quarterback situation. I've seen him projected day three. He's 6-1-180 and can fly and tracks the ball well. He's also a guy that I think can play special teams.

By the way, Kyle Williams can play special teams. And not necessarily as a returner. As a cover guy, he was playing. He blocked a couple of kicks at Washington State. But I like Ty Felton from Maryland. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get drafted. I'd be surprised if he has to wait until day three to get drafted. Oh, the other guy that I like is Cam Ward's receiver at Miami,

Xavier Restrepo, who didn't necessarily test great. He didn't even run the 40. He's not a great athlete. He's 5, 10, like 200. But, God, if you watched Miami this year, that dude just gets open. You know, he is a slot receiver, a pure slot receiver. But his ability off the line of scrimmage with, you know, just quick movement to get open. I don't know.

I liked him in college. You know, there is, think of like, you know, the non-burner slot receivers that have been good, some of the New England guys over the years with Brady. He's that, I think. Restrepo from Miami. I've seen an undrafted grade on him in a lot of spots. You know, sixth, seventh round at best. But I just, we watched a lot of Miami this year. I liked him as a player. That's it. Let's get to Galdi next. All right, guys, I'm about to tell you about the most incredible, unforgettable gift you can get mom this Mother's Day. of Goldbelly. It's this amazing site that I order from now all the time where you can get the most iconic famous foods from restaurants all across the United States. And they'll ship it

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But we'll start with the draft. This is obviously so much different than last year. Do you like this more or less when you have so much more to consider than just quarterbacks? Well, last year was so monumental and so important that there was almost like an anxiety with that draft, right? Because like you knew that the team had to get this right. Quarterback needy team in a perceived to be quarterback rich draft, number two overall pick. we all debated going into the draft, who should the guy be. You know, you're looking at the strength and weaknesses of each guy,

and then the pick gets made, and then you hope, like, heck, that the right selection was made. And right now, it sure looks like the right selection was made. So, you know, you had that ultra-important last year, and I do kind of miss that. Like, there was such a build-up to that pick. It was such a significant pick. But there's so much less stress with this. I mean, if you're a fan of the team, like, you're kind of just coasting into this. you know, the team could do so many different things at 29.

I don't think there's a position that the team can address that you say, well, why are they doing that? Like, you really can go best player available. And, you know, you just have this, like, prevailing, overarching feeling of whatever happens, like we have the quarterback that is like 70 to 80 percent of the game in the NFL right now. And so you just feel good. And it just feels good to be able to say that. You haven't been in this position in so long.

I'm definitely intrigued by the draft, excited for the draft, but I recognize that what's going to happen on Thursday night is very different from what happened on the Thursday night of the first round of last year's draft. Yeah, you and I were talking about this before we actually started to record. The buildup to last year, and by the way, the debate about it, was great for all of us. and, by the way, just flat out kind of exciting for all of us.

Now, as we got closer to the actual first round, we kind of knew that it was going to be Jaden Daniels. But, man, you know, and I'm sure you've talked about this on your podcast, this is the latest Washington's ever picked with their own pick because the last time they got to an NFC championship game, there were only 28 teams in the league. That's how long it's been since they had success. And at 29, my God, the possibilities, we just haven't dealt with this.

Even when they've picked it like 16 or 17 or 11, it's been a lot easier. So I'll start by kind of asking you, what have you focused on your show? What have you talked the most about, the position that you want to see or the players that you'd like to see? A little bit of both. I mean, I focus primarily on running back and edge defenders because those are two spots that are perceived to be deep in this draft. Those are two spots that are perceived to be need for Washington. And I do find the running back conversation really interesting because you have this position that has been devalued so much over the last 20 years. Then you've had over the last few years this idea that the positional value is actually back on the rise.

And then you have this running back class in this draft that is said to be one of the best ever. Like the people who do this for a living, like the Todd McShay's, they are gushing about how good this class is. So, you know, that to me has been interesting. The ed defenders, to a lesser degree, have been interesting because there's such a variant in opinion on, like, who the top three to six guys are. You know, like people have them ranked in all different orders. and I think a lot of it is just like eye of the beholder, like, you know, what is your defense, what is your system, what do you value as a team? And so no one seems to be able to have a good command of where these edge guys are going to go.

So I think that's been interesting. But, you know, the receiver class is not viewed to be particularly good. The tight-in class is viewed to be okay, but I don't know if our team is going to be taking a tight-end over the first day or two of the draft. I think the team should be open to that, but I don't know how likely that is. cornerback has come up some, offensive line has come up some, but you know how it is with a lot of this stuff.

Like, there's only so much you can do with offensive tackle prospect. Like, we only know so much with something like that. I feel like with running back, you feel safer and having an opinion. Totally agree. Yeah, there's a fantasy aspect of it, so people get into it from that perspective. So I've enjoyed that.

I mean, personally, what I want them to do is trade down and get more draft capital. I don't know how likely that is with the way everyone keeps talking about this draft that, you know, pick 15 is the same as pick 45, that kind of thing. So I'd like to see them trade down. But in terms of the conversation, I think the running back and to a lesser degree, the edge defender talk has been the most compelling. All right. So since you started with those two position groups, what's the likelihood of them taking a running back at 29? And if they did, would you be okay with that?

Well, I think the likelihood is low. If they did it, though, if you could tell me, and look, there's the way we could be certain of this, but if you could tell me that they took a back at 29 because that was the best player on their board, I'd be okay with that. I mean, what I want Peter to do is to draft via that best player available philosophy. I'm a big believer that that's the way you do the draft. I don't like this idea that he dictate things. I think that you get in trouble that way.

I think needs are ever-changing. What you don't think is a need today can be a need tomorrow based on injury, based on underperformance. And I do think that positional value enters into, you know, best player available. So, like, you would never have the best punter rated ahead of the third best quarterback, right? Just because the guy's the best punter, like the position actually matters. But, again, this running back class, the way people are talking about it really is something like McShay, I heard him say, it was like it's the best he's ever evaluated. And so, you know, you hear that. You say, all right, well, maybe some of these backs are so good that they deserve to be in that

conversation of if you have a first round pick, a back at the point of your pick can be the best guy there. So if, say, Omari and Hampton falls to 29, and I don't expect that, nobody seems to anticipate that. But, you know, Hampton in many drafts might be the top back in the draft. If somehow he's there at 29, would I be kicking and screaming if Washington took them. No, I wouldn't. I just would be surprised if running back was the pick, especially if you look at it and you say, okay, even if Washington wants to take a back, the class is viewed to be so good and so deep, there's a really good chance you can get a really good back on day two or even day three of the dress. Yeah, I mean, I think that there, I think

Ashton Gentie really does look like the guy and that there's massive separation after after him, but that's interesting. I haven't really followed McShea, but I like McShay, and I like his opinions, and it does appear that almost everybody's, you know, got the, there's a consensus opinion that this is a deep running back draft. All right, edge rushers. What are you looking for? What type of edge rusher in? Is there a specific player that you want them to pick? Are you hopes available? Yeah, so I think you want the guy who offers the highest, upside. You want the guy who, if he hits the way that he has the potential to hit, could actually

be special or at least be really good. And the guy who seems to have that trait, those traits, and realistically could be available at 29, is Donovan Azaraku, a Boston college, who interestingly is coming up more and more in the mock for Washington. The mocks have been all over the place, but if there is a name that, at least I've noticed, coming up a good bit, especially as the weeks have gone on here. It is as a Raku. I don't know how much of that is based on Intel versus just, you know, people making educated guesses. But, you know, I've

had people on my podcast talk about, you know, he has this elite bend. People keep talking about his bend. He's viewed as a good guy. You know, you have character concerns with some of the other top edge guys with Asa Raku, you don't seem to have that. And with as A Raku, there seems to be this idea

of, again, it's, you know, beauty in the eye of the holder with these edge guys. But if as A Raku, hits the way he could hit and reaches his potential in terms of the best he can be, he could end up being really good. And you might have someone who can be, you know, a 10 to 12-sac guy per season for years to come, which obviously would be really good. I mean, I think with the edge guys, there's depth.

I don't know that anyone on the surface strikes you as being, like, extremely special. Like even Abdul Carter, clearly he's the top edge guy. But I don't see him being talked about the way that, you know, our friend Chase Young was talked about or like a Miles Garrett was talked about. He could end up being a really good player. But I think with the edge guys, it's more like, okay, you have a lot of guys who could end up being good, but there's just a real mix of opinion on these guys and who truly are the best of these guys.

Do you think that they improved enough during the off season before tomorrow night begins, before the draft begins? We've talked, I think, off the air, but I don't think we've done it on your show or on my show. What did you make of free agency, and by the way, a massive trade in the Tunsell trade? Yeah, I think they've gotten better. I think what's hard to assess is by how much.

I mean, I don't know how you look at the offensive line, though, and don't feel better about that. I mean, Tunnel is one of the best left tackles in the NFL, but the team now has that is big. You know, we'll see with Debo Samuel, but it's not like this receiving core was great last season. So if Debo can even just be close to what he was at his peak, you know,

it could be like 80% of his best self, he's 75% of his best self. You know, that's an upgrade right there. I do anticipate them taking a back at some point in the draft. So I think the running back mix, hopefully will be better. And Jaden Daniels, you know, people talk about like, could he have a sophomore slump? How about, you know, could he have a second season? that's even better than his first season.

Like maybe he takes another step forward here. So I feel really good about the offense. I think the defense is a total wildcard. You look at all the things that were done in free agency, especially with the defensive line. I don't know anyone who knows truly what to make of all that. I've asked a lot of guess, like, you know, what do you think of the defensive line?

What do you think the plan is with these defensive line? And, you know, if week one was today, who would be the starters? Nobody really knows. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. I just think that there's a lot to figure out and sort through. Clearly, they're still avoided edge that, you know, hopefully will be addressed with the draft. But I think it's tough to tell with the defensive line. And I think with the defense, look, I think so much of it comes down to Marshawn Latimore.

I think he is the key to this defense next season. What was truly behind him not playing well during his time with Washington this past season? Was it the hamstring or was it more than that? Because we all saw him struggle. Like, it was disappointing? And so you say, okay, was that just the function of a hamstring that was never quite right? I hope why text that the answer to that is yes. Or did our team trade for someone who was past his peak and who just isn't that good anymore?

And that the best of Barshon Lattimore is a distant memory. And that's the concern. But, you know, you go back to those games against A.J. Brown, you go back. to the way Tampa Bay, especially the first half of that playoff game, targeted Latimore over and over again. They did not fear him. Like, they made it a point to pick on him. That was concerning.

So I hope it was a hamstring. But if he's healthy and as good as he can be, that changes his defense. It is a big-time upgrade. If he isn't, then you've got problems. I think you have big problems if Latimore isn't what the team needs him to be. So I think that's huge. Yeah, I think that's big too. and how they really inside that building, what they're really thinking.

Like I mentioned this when the season ended. If there's actually a legitimate concern or even like the odds are stacked that they made a mistake by trading for him, they've built up enough, you know, kind of equity with fans, with media members, if they even care, they shouldn't, to move on and fix it, you know, rather than, you know, rather than, you know, we can't move on this quickly. We just made a big trade and got people excited. We got a whole off season. But my sense is, I mean, I trust Adam Peters at his word when he says,

no, we have no concerns because he was asked that when the season ended. We'll see, because you've got to be on the field for sure. All right. I wanted to switch subjects with you because the Caps in Montreal play game two tonight at Capital One Arena. you're following it very closely. I've also got a Nats question for you as well. But on the caps, I think I said this to Joe B yesterday,

or I asked Joe Beninotti the same question. Do you think there's a chance in five, ten years from now we look back on this season as the most memorable season of the Alex Ovechgenera? Yeah. Oh, I think that's possible. I mean, I think a lot of that will be dictated by what happens this postseason. Right. But if the team makes a deep run, yeah, because the Gretti chase was such a big deal.

The fact that he had such a great season in what was his age 39 season, and what was season in which he made 16 games due to a broken fibula. I mean, you think about that. It's so amazing that he did what he did. Yeah, I mean, I think at worst, it could end up being his second most memorable season behind the Stanley Cup winning season. it's nuts what he has done. And I think it is equally as nuts what the capitals have done.

The capitals have done the thing that it's so hard to do in pro sports, and that is refuel the plane in mid-flight. The team has successfully retooled. So many people thought that this team was just delaying an inevitable rebuild. You know, won the Cup in 18, had all of those first round playoff exits after that, missed the postseason two years ago, getting older. you know, there was this thought that, okay, maybe Ovechkin does break the Gretsky record, but he's going to be doing it on a bad team.

Well, he himself is a fading, declining player. And instead, what happened? This team made a bunch of moves that have worked out spectacularly. Ovechkin finds the fountain of youth, and in this season, which he breaks the Gretsky record, has himself a great season for not some bad team, but for the top team in the Eastern Conference. I just, it's remarkable to me with the caps have done. And they do seem to have avoided the Revenue.

rebuild here. Like, the team makes the playoffs last year out of nowhere, but does so with a negative goal differential. So you said to yourself, okay, is this real? Is it maybe flukeish? And then this season is the best team in the East with very much a positive goal differential, scored goals like crazy. It's nuts. There's nobody who expected this from this Capp's team. What are you expecting them to do over the next, you know, weeks, days, weeks, maybe months? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know how the Stanley Co. playoffs are. They're so unpredictable. So much of it is about goaltending. The gold tending was really good for the first half of the season,

and then the final few months of the regular season was not good. You know, it's nuts with the goaltending. The caps, each of the last two years, the guy who went into the regular season as their number one goaltender, ended up supplanting the guy, excuse me, the guy who went into as a number two, ended up supplanting the guy who was the number one. And this year it happens with Logan Thompson supplanting Charlie Lingran. Thompson gets a big money contract extension in January and then struggle and then get third, but he was really good in game one.

So hopefully he continues to be good as this postseason goes on. But it's so unpredictable. Goaltenders are like, you know, release pitchers or like kickers. They're fickle. They're year to year. You know, a lot of them are even like month to month. So if Thompson is hot, then I think this team can make a deep run. And if Thompson isn't good, then this team could be ousted in the first round.

Like we've seen it happen many times, so we don't know. But I don't think that takes away from what the team did in the regular season. Again, this team was looking like it was on a one-way street to rebuild bill, and that it seems to have avoided that is pretty impressive. All right. For somebody who hasn't paid attention to the first 23 games of the Nats season, describe them. So they're much better at hitting home runs and hitting for power in general,

which is great. That was to be the number one thing that was needed for this season. And so far, so good in that department. So that's significant. The starting pitching has been decent, if not good. Mitchell Parker has been outstanding. Mackenzie Gore has been good. And others have been good enough to where the overall body of work from the starting

pitching has been, like I said, decent if not good. The problem is the bullpen, which has been horrendous. It is legitimately the worst bullpen in the majors. We have seen the netto-bat bullpens before, think 2017. think the World Series championship season of 2019. This bullpen, at least so far, is on the level of bad of those other bullpens, might even be worse. Now, the Nats in 17 and 19 were good enough to make the playoffs those years

because of starting pitching and the offense were so good. You know, this season, the hope is that the Nats, look, do they make the playoffs? I mean, that's going to be tough. But the Nats need to take a step forward. Like, there is very much rebuild fatigue. And so what I was hoping for coming into this season was, if not, winning season, then at least a season in which the win total ends up being in the 80s, maybe the low 80s. The bullpen is right now working against that. So we'll see. So the bullpen's

the problem. But the team is better at hitting for power. You have this nucleus of young guys in James Wood and Jim and James Wood, and Jim and Cruz and J. Abrams, who looked good. You know, Cruz is starting to get going. Wood has been outstanding. Abrams has hurt before he got hurt. He was going really well. Kay Bert Ruiz, who had a bad last two years, is off to a really nice start. So I think if you're an ad fan, there's reason for optimism here. But to what degree that's going to translate to more wins this season, that remains to be seen? I mean, Wood's got seven home runs.

He's basically on track for 50 plus. I mean, he's not going to hit 50 plus. But like the over-under on him before the season started was 25-5-home runs. did you have a sense before the season started that he could end up having a big home run season or not? I thought he'd hit 35. Really? I'm a big, yeah, I'm a big believer in him. He did things last year that suggests that he's going to be a big time hit.

When a guy comes up to the majors and right away puts up the kind of walk numbers that he was putting up and even puts up the kind of just overall batting numbers he put up. He didn't hit for a ton of power last year, but it felt like he hit for no power. He profiles as someone who's going to be not just good but special, and that he's already so much better this year than he was last year and is so young. I think speaks to someone who is going to be, again, not just good but special. And that's the thing. It's not good enough for him to just be good.

For this rebuild to work, then that really do need wood to be, you know, a Bryce Harper-Wan Soto-type guy. I know that's like a lofty thing to say, but Wood has that kind of potential, and the fact that he's done as well as he's done in the majors tells you that he might end up being one of those guys. Like, it's not normal for someone to come up and be as productive as he's been over his, you know,

100 or so games at the Major League level so far. So I think James Wood is great, and, you know, I don't want to, like, completely plant the flag of victory, but I think you feel really good about him. Like I said, Dylan Cruz has been better, but it's important that Cruz ends up being a big-time hit. These two guys need to be franchise-type players for the NAD in order for this rebuild to end up working out. All right. Swing it back to the football team to end this. I'm just curious, did you listen to Adam Peters and Lance Newmark yesterday and pull much from it?

I know you do that like I do. You listen to these press conferences. It ends up being content for us. I mean, Peters doesn't say anything. No, no, he doesn't. And I mean, the thing that I always will bring up is Peter spent his formative years as an exception in New England. In New England. He learned under Belichickick. That's right. With Peters, there is very much as like this Belichickian way of answering questions.

So, no, he doesn't give you much. You know, that doesn't mean that he doesn't say some interesting things. What I think is funny, though, is this. So both he and Newmark are so guarded. so much of what they say. And yet when Jaden Daniels comes up and a reporter will ask a question with the notion of

well, you guys are set at quarterback, neither Peters nor Newmark shies away from that. Like, even they in their guarded demeanors say, yeah, we're set at quarterback. We're not taking the quarterback. Like, it's so obvious that even they are like, yeah,

what, you know, we, at Peter's back at, what was it, I guess, the owner's meeting, he said, like, we can't wait to pay Jaden. Like already talking about the contract extension for David Daniels when he's extended eligible in 2027, like that kind of a thing. So, you know, with the exception of Daniels, they tend to bail a ticket. But yet, to your question, they don't say much. You know, Quinn will give you some stuff. Quit like to know. Always. Yeah, he'll just keep talking. Yes, yes, he will. But yeah, Peter's in Newmark,

not so much. Thanks for doing this. At Al Galdi on X, of the Al Galdi podcast. You get it wherever you get podcasts. Co-host of the Natschat podcast. I'll talk to you soon. Enjoy the weekend. Yep, thank you. Al Galdi, everybody. Doc Walker next after these words from a few of our sponsors. So guys, I've talked about a product recently. It's called pre-alcohol. It's made by Z biotics. It's a surefire way to wake up feeling fresh after a night of drinks with friends. And it works. I was at a wedding recently. Denton's wedding, my producer on radio, got married a couple of weeks ago, and I made pre-alcohol my first drink of the night. I drank responsibly. Next morning, felt great. Had a tea time the next morning, which is why I wanted to make sure I felt great.

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slash Sheehan and use my code, Sheean, S-H-E-E-H-A-N at checkout for 15% off. All right now is Doc. Richard Doc Walker is with me. It's Draft Night Tomorrow Night. We won't be doing a draft show together, but that doesn't mean we don't have fond memories of being at various restaurants around town predicting the player that would come off the board next and doing it rather successfully over the years. We were pretty good at that when we did the draft show together. Yeah, we had a run, and thank God it's over because we went through a period where the team was so bad. We were always picking so high, and then it wasn't fun anymore. You know, it wasn't fun to be a joke and to always be in recovery. I have found that I'm actually bored this year at 29th, and so I've lost my lust.

I don't even register a big board for the first time and a long time because not only do we have so few picks, but I trust the people picking it, and I thought, who am I kidding? that's like looking over Martha Stewart's shoulder in the kitchen. I'm so comfortable now that we don't have those nitwits in charge. And plus I also rather focus on what I believe we need and what's available. And I know that between you, Logan, and Craig Hoffman, that I know that corner edge, running back, and O line, that's my preference. You don't want a fancy wide receiver?

No, I really don't. Only because I just think that it's not an area that we need. I think we need because of who we play. We're in the roughest, toughest, toughest conference in division in football. The world champion hangs out on our block. And so, as far as I'm concerned, they showed us. When the guy scores on you to first play the game and run, with a back.

He's showing you that they could just run over you. What he did to Kansas City was no joke, what they did. So we got to play them twice. So when I know I have six encounters, well, I've got to deal with neighbors, lamb, and brown. Corner to me becomes the one thing that I have got to try to improve upon. And if there's somebody out there at that selection, if we're still there, that I think upscrable.

that that's where my first choice is. Do you have confidence that Marciawn Latimore will end up being the player that he was in New Orleans when he was really good? Yeah, I do, and I like him a lot, but I don't trust his body at this point. I'm not willing to trust him. If I know I've got six encounters, and then repeat that, because you might not hear me.

Malique neighbors, C.D. Lamb, A.J. Brown, six times. Yeah. Even when he's not hurt, he's injured. So I think we have got to invest in that position. If the guys available there, around 4-3, that can cover, I would like to help myself there because my pass rush is average at best. And if I don't get a corner, I need edge. If I don't get a edge, I need a back.

I need a bell cow. And if I don't get a bell cow, then I need another big slob to knocker up front to protect my number one asset. and Jaden Daniels. So that's my whole vision now how I see it. Just speaking out loud to you, a guy trust, because I don't have to do this anymore because we have a competent front office. Right. But you started with, you know, the first play of the game, 26, Barclay, went the distance. So you've got to have corners that can tackle, but we talked about this towards the end of the year when they were struggling to stop the run.

and yet we had a quarterback that just overcame all of it until he couldn't in the championship game. They've got to get better at stopping the run, so you'd like to see something up front as well, right? Yes, indeed, but I say I've got to pick what's the most important. You see, I don't think other than Barclay, somebody's going to beat me on one play other than him, on that play. At receiver, I can lose in one play.

so the quickest death is a throat slit. And that can happen in one play against these three guys I just illustrated to you. You did. We play them six. I'm just saying it's too much. So with Lattimore, he's not showing me he's 16 games durable. I love him. But he got to prove to me he can play a season.

Do I trust him to do that? I haven't seen it yet. I love the kid from Michigan. Love him to death. We're just not deep enough. yet and we don't have the pass rush to compliment our cover

yeah sandrista love him what the draft shows that we did over the years I mean you every year I love you know spending time on your big board and that yeah and you did such a great job of like predicting when someone

was on the clock predicting that the player that would get picked but the time that I told you your jaw dropped when they selected Josh Doxon from TCU. And I've been telling you all night long, they're going to take Josh Doxon. That was crazy.

You caught me off guard. That talks about guard. I tell you, now, Logan Paulson, who does a spectacular job. He's great. He really is good. And believe it and not, all jokes aside, Smoot has really invested his serious gene pool into the draft. and prospects of 9 yards. He loves it.

He loves it. Nobody really is good at it. I agree. And yeah, he's good at it. And not everybody has a knack for it. And right now, because NIL, to me, it's become so much more complicated. Because now you get a preview of stupidity. Because you didn't know what they would be like with money before.

Now you get a preview. Right. So you get a chance to see some as coach would say, you get to see some foolishness now in a preview. So I think that gives you some insight and tells me some guys automatically that I just quite frankly or wouldn't be interested in, just simply on their collegiate behavior. That's just me that doesn't mean I'm right. And we've got a whole new landscape. For the first time in our lifetime, a guy just quit on his team at the time. the most important position in the game.

Yeah. And the guy that he replaced, just quit on his team to go replace it. At your alma mater. Yeah. Yeah. And as an alum, you go, I don't want to like the guy, but I have to learn that that is the new system. Right. It's like free agency, so I've got to grow up and accept it.

I don't like the fact that these guys are flashing watches and chains and doing all that, but that's not their fault. That's my fault. I have to adjust to it because it's the way it's going right now and just wait for the games to start and then really get into it. But no, I mean, it's, you know, hey, man, time's changed. Remember, I actually roll my windows down. I used to have a standard shift.

I learned how to drive with a standard shift. And so times are changed. You used to roll without your seatbelt on. I mean. Exactly. Yeah, I mean. With a convertible. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I remember the car, my father's car would be loaded up with kids and they're standing up in the back seat. Nobody's got seatbelts on sure.

Nobody. Yeah, we live through those times. Speaking of those times, what do you remember about draft day in 1977? Like how did you... The same things I tell you every year. The pranks, the pranks, the pranks that we've been. pulled on each other. Right. And so that's still the best story. But now that it's changed and now guys being asked to go to the green rooms. Yeah. And I tell you what, that takes so much courage because our disappointments or whatever

were channeled to your roommates, people that may have been around you, can you imagine what Aaron Rogers went through or what should. Should he do a Sanders, possibly. Johnny Mansell when he went through that night. Yeah. Johnny Manzell, but he should do it smart. He ain't going. Yeah, he was going to go, but now he's not.

No, boy, he ain't slim. You better stay with your father. Yeah. Stay with your father because this thing is set up. This has been, I'm so disengaged because of JD5 and that we're now where we ought to be. Where the Ravens are every year, 29th, 30th, 27th. Right. You know, we're like, we're moving on up.

We're in high, high cotton right now. We're so used to being in the slums that we got used to it. We got air conditioning. We got air conditioning. We got actually a two-car garage. I got cocky to where I don't even want to pay attention to this, but those losers that are worried about the top five bigs. But I remember what we came from.

And now it's about what do we need, what's going to fall, and we're coming in with a few selections, and I trust AP, how do we get more? I just hope somebody wants our selection, or that somebody that he wants dropped to where we are. Because if we can get a hell of a corner, we might get Ed's presence or somebody that can block the sun at 29. The air conditioning and two-car garage reference, for those of you just tuning in to Doc for the first time. Doc, if he were recruiting high school players, he would never recruit a player that had air conditioning in his house growing up or had a garage. I did not say that. It was my tiebreaker.

It was your tiebreaker. Right. It's my tiebreaker. So back to real quickly. Refresh my memory on did you get pranked or did you guys pull a prank? I forget. Pulled a prank. On who?

DeVern Reese, wide receiver. My roommate. And what did you do? Called it from the Rams. His brother was Danny Reese's play, was, you know, hell of a cornerback out of S.C. And we told him they'd been drafted, and we picked, I hate to do this.

And, you know, it's like, I'm not proud of this. But it's part of a grown-up being immature, being a numbskull, and it's like what you do in college. And it's, you know how you rate your laughs? You notice how you don't have the kind of laughter. you had in college. Well, at least I haven't.

I have not reached the levels. You hear laughter. Yeah. In college. No, even in high school, it exceeded, I mean, college laughter, because we did more stupid things, crazy things. And that was one of them, where you just start to appreciate laughter. The one thing I love about you so much is that we're never together,

we're not laughing because we have so many funny memories of things that we've done that have been crazy and slightly ignorant. But more than slightly ignorant. But you, so what did you tell him? He had been picked by the Rams. Do you remember what round it was? Third, third round. And so how did, so.

He screamed. He was screaming. Oh, my God. And then how did you break the news to him that you had pranked him? Well, he saw the news. I mean, it wasn't a stone age. We had communication. And the guy, I mean, it was it.

Yeah. Oh, my God. I think I've told you this story before. But my freshman year at Maryland in our dorm, there was this kid who was on the football team. He had walked on to the football team. And we got on, I got on a phone on the upper floor of the dorm and called down. and a friend of mine answered and said, you know, hey, it's, it sounds like it's coach Ross, Bobby Ross on the phone.

So he gets on and I just said to him, I said, look, I need you over at the facility right now. You're going to have to start on Saturday. Everybody's sick. And he, I mean, I wasn't even really impersonating Bobby Ross very well, but he jumped back to his dorm room and he hauled ass out of the thing. and he came back looking to beat the shit out of anybody who did it. And, of course, I was friends with him, and I said, oh, we got you good. And he laughed about it, but it wasn't that funny for him.

But real quickly, back to the fourth round in 1977, how did you find out that Cincinnati had picked you? Because it wasn't televised. Well, we were getting prank the whole time, so you get a call. and Boyd Dollar Packer Great wide receiver was called So here's the deal When you do this

Others, others do it to you So what was crazy was that I didn't believe it was It was Coach Johnson or Boyd And so you come off Your first impressions is that you're a jerk Because I really

You know They expect you to be pretty pumped up I'm pretty excited about it, and you're really holding back because you don't believe it's who they say it is. So in the end, the lesson for young kids is that just don't play around. Certain things you shouldn't play with it because it could backfire on you. Well, did you say, is this a prank? What did you say to Boydellar? It wasn't as enthusiastic as you would, it should have been.

And I was cautious, and they kind of knew it. It started off a little strange because I go, Coach, you know, it's like this dude, to me, that means a Packer. So, you know, that was a really big thing back in the Stone Ages. And I ended up telling him that, and he got a hell of a laugh out of it. You know, coach was a good dude because he was a player and he played for Vince. And I ended up having a great deal of respect for him. But one of those days, ever since then, everybody on draft day,

And you've got to realize it's pre-caller ID. So many things are better now because of technology. Yeah. You couldn't do that now because of, you know, caller IDs and the visuals on the phone. Although there are a lot of things, and I'm sure you told your boys the same thing I've told mine, I wouldn't trade with my kids for nothing growing up. And because I think we had it better because we had more interaction. Yeah, right.

And we were outdoors more. We just had more togetherness. Their technology kind of cut them off. It kind of shielded them from creativity. I mean, they never played hide-and-seek. And there's just certain things they didn't do where we just had no other choice, and we did it, and I wouldn't trade for nothing in the world. By the way, you know, Boy Dallor played for the Redskins, George Allen's first year.

Yeah, sure did. So that'll be it. I know you don't like talking about, you know, when you got drafted. You got the number one rated show in the country. Why would you want to kill your rating? 1977 Doc was the fifth tight end taken in that draft. But so do you remember the tight ends picked in front of you? What do you think?

I think you do. No, I don't. One of them just passed away. Don Hasselbeck just passed away. You know what? That just killed me. Yeah. Me and Donnie, we played in the East West All-Star game on a Hulu Bowl. Donnie was real good dude, man. We were together so much because we played in the East West and we just me and him,

and we had coach from Grambling. Let me tell you what. Eddie Robbins. Eddie Robbins. Is this the hardest, the worst week, hardest week of my life? and to him and Judd Doug always teases, man, that was just Coach Rob. That's normal. He didn't care.

It wasn't a bowl game to him. He was there to win it. And when you only have two people, there's nobody, you know, you, you run back from a play and you're back on the line again. There's not three to where you get at least a blow. It was me and has, me and has. And it's been on my mind because I don't know what happened. Yeah, I don't know either.

He was the father of Matt Hassel. Tim Hasselback. And a good dude. The tight end that was picked right before you, Jimmy Giles, who was Doug Williams' tight end in Tampa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

JJ, man. We're a good class, man. These guys, you know, we're in Japan, the Oolobo, Japan Bowl. Good dudes. Really good guys. Had a good time with them. And never forget that. That was good.

But again, they had some value of zero. And this is why I'm not on anymore because you always know by the parents. Who do you want them to pick tomorrow night? Do you have a player in mind or not? No, no. I have a position. I would hope that if they have the corners of the highest rated that they like or edge that they like, I would like to see them get or running back that they like because thank God the back is back in pro football.

and I love Echler to death, but he's like Lattimore. Highly skilled, very important, but I don't see a 17-game shelf life. You know, and I need a,

I need a, and now the backs of him, we're no longer discriminating. Let's get a guy like Sequin, not that he's duplicatable, but someone that gives me that opportunity

to control a game as my defense grows up, I can at least dig-taker. We've got five. So you can't just focus on whoever we get. A lot like with Detroit. Imagine Detroit with Jaden at quarterback. Yeah.

With their setup. That's the difference. That's what you want. That's what you want. That's the optimum operation. If you can, as good as Detroit is and as good as everything it was, nobody has JD-5. So if you can get what they have with JD-5, I think that's hard to beat.

We got the quarterback. Yeah, we do, my friend. Yes, we do. All right. Nice job. Are you going to Green Bay? Are you going to Green Bay? No, I'm not going to Green Bay.

I'll call you, though, during the draft tomorrow night and see what you think. I would be so honored. I would be so honored. All right, thanks. I'll talk to you tomorrow. Okay, thank you. Okay, good deal. Bye-bye.

All right, that is it for the day. Back tomorrow with Tommy. We'll have our draft Washington first round predictions on the show tomorrow.