The Kevin Sheehan Show - Snyder vs Schar?

Episode Date: August 11, 2020

Kevin and Thom today on many things including the story about Dan Snyder's lawsuit against those involved in a misinformation campaign against him last month. Is it possible that minority owner Dwight Schar's family underwrote the campaign? The boys discuss this story in detail. Also on the show, Derrius Guice, the Nats, the Caps, and the state of College Football. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Yep, a Sports Fix Tuesday. Tommy by phone, I'm in studio. Lots to get to today, Tommy, including this story involving the owner of the Washington

football team and one of the minority owners, potentially, of the Washington Football Team. We're going to get into that in great detail here coming up. Lots of other things to get to as well. But how you doing? I know you've got a visitor in town with you. I'm doing great. You know, yesterday, you know, my granddaughter is visiting us. I know she is.

As you ready for your beach trip next week. Yes, she's visiting us. And that's been quite easy, period. Is it tiring? Well, you know, they have this age group called preteen, you know? Well, she's pre-Taliban. Okay. Come on.

I mean, an attitude, a six-foot attitude. Well, you know what? That's good. She's confident. And she probably got that a little bit from her granddad. Maybe. Maybe. But yesterday, we met some friends up near Carlisle at a state park, Pine Grove Furn at State Park. And they went kayaking in this lake at the state park. So we took her up there and she went kayaking with them. Did you get into the kayak?

No. No, I did not. You watched from the shore? However, I have canoed many times. Okay. When was the last time you canoed? Probably about 10 years ago. Really?

I mean, I used to be in a canoe race every year up in a Poconos, which was kind of funny. but so, but no, I didn't get, I've never been in a kayak. I didn't get in this, but, so we had a nice day yesterday, and that's the, that's the, yesterday was the biggest social interactions we've had since March. Wow. But it was outdoors. It was outdoors, all outdoors. Right.

So are you, are you enjoying, like, do you get up with her in the morning? or does Liz get up? How does this work? Do you make breakfast? Get up with her. At 11 o'clock, I have to go in and shake her out of the bed. Ah, that's even better, actually. Get up with her.

I have to go in and threaten to do horrible things to get her up. That's funny. God, wouldn't it be... I mean, there are occasions at home when... One of my three, you know, it'll be one o'clock in the afternoon on a Saturday or Sunday, and he's still sound asleep. Now, he didn't get in until 4.35 a.m. the morning of the morning of. And your kids, your kids are grown up. Yeah, I know. Yeah. You know, they're not kids. Right. I mean, they're making their own decisions. Right. So, and I can certainly appreciate that, but.

What's your biggest influence over her? What does she look to, what does she call you? Grandpa Tom. Grandpa Tom. What is, what is she, what are you trying to teach her? What are you trying, where's your influence right now? Oh, absolutely nothing. I'm not trying to teach you.

I'm just trying to survive. Just get in and get out. But are you, do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy being a grandfather? I don't enjoy it as much as other people. That's so great how honest you are. That is really great. I don't enjoy it as much as other people do.

I've been through this one. I'm not particularly, I wasn't looking to do it again, you know, but I'll go along for the ride. Do you think that part of that, and I'm being serious here, I know you pretty well, do you think that part of that is you,

you know, you portray go along, get along. But really, you are very much entrenched in your ways, in your routine, and anything that gets in the way of sort of breaking that routine up and influencing that, that's a problem for you. Yeah, but you see, this is what you don't know about me. I can reverse that as long as I am mentally prepared to do so. Like, for the three weeks she's here, I mean, even before she's, came. I was mentally committed to whatever I wanted to do, whatever my routine is, is secondary to her. Right.

So I'm fine with that because I knew it was coming. I'm mentally prepared for it. It's not a surprise. So I can put aside the quirky little things that I may do. You know, like we watched Flash last night. Right. This series about the Super... We got in that big argument the first. He was here, who was a better superhero, the Hulk or Flash. So, you know, I wouldn't normally watch that. I'd be probably watching Blue Bloods or Law and Order or something like that. So I'm mentally accommodated to basically making her time, I mean, to, you know, accommodating her time here.

So I can be, I can be selfless when there's a gun put in my head. Okay. Very good. I would assume that your wife is enjoying being a grandmother more than you're enjoying being a grandfather. Yes, absolutely. She's a bit more normal than you are. Yeah. Okay. Boy, we've got some stuff to get to today, including this wild story involving the owner of the Washington football team. There are a couple of things first before we get to this, because this is going to take some time to unravel. or really unfurl and diagnosed. But you sent me something the other day with a video, a YouTube video from 1982.

It's a questioning and a trial of Russell Buffolino. It's a hearing. It's a hearing. Famous Mobster. Pennsylvania Crime Commission hearing. Famous mobster. As we know, if you saw the Irishman, I thought it was a great movie. and you had Russell Buffolino and you had Ed Sharon, who was the hit man, the paid hit man.

Frank Sharon. Frank Sharon. I'm sorry, Frank Sharon. Ed Sharon would be the singer. And that hearing, which he's being asked questions about how long he's known, Shearren and how long he's known, there were a couple of other people he was asking, he was getting questions asked about. there you are in 1982 front row right just to the back right side of Buffaloino as he's being asked questions. That was awesome.

Fully bearded. He could have reached out in touch with me. That's how close we were. You were, so you were writing for at that point, was that Straussberg? That was the Eastern Pennsylvania Express, the Eastern Express I was writing. That was. And I had kind of carved out my own beat covering organized crime at the paper while I was there. Yeah, well, I mean, you stole the seating chart at that mob get together, which included, you know, Russell Buffalino.

Yes, yes, which was for Russell Buffalino and whose name on the seating chart included Frank Shearant. Right. Jimmy so one of the the questions that that it actually I think where he was answering or not answering questions was all about his relationship more so with with Jimmy Hoffa than Frank Sharon I think in watching that but there was a quick glimpse of Tommy. Tommy fully bearded in a suit slimmed down and looking good in 1982 young, young, you know, eager reporter. covering a mob hearing. That was outstanding. Had you stolen the list yet at that point? The seating chart?

I had stolen the seating chart by that point. I'd have to double-check the dates. That was great. I think I had already done that at that point. And, I mean, you know, those guys, except for a couple of agents, never didn't really know I had that, not that it would have made any difference one way or the other. Although it might have made different.

You know, this might have made it different years later. Years later, when they were putting casinos in Pennsylvania, they put one, you ever hear of Mount Airy Lodge? In where? In Maryland? No, Mount Airy Lodge was a big resort in the Poconos. No. And they used to advertise on the New York stations all the time. Okay.

It's a huge resort. And it was turned into a casino. It was bought by this guy named Luzon-Aple, who, was, who owned a huge auto graveyards up in Scranton, you know, used auto parts and stuff like that. And, you know, there were always questions about his relationship with organized crime figures, and particularly Russell Buffolino. And there were hearings about, you know, whether or not they should give him a license for the casino. And they denied, I mean, they downplayed or denied his relationship with Buffolino.

Well, on that seating chart, written in one of the tables is Lewis to name. Yeah, right. That's funny. That had to be a fun time for you. Were you at any point in covering some of that stuff? were you i mean you've discussed some various incidents you know that you were you know uh involved in but did you ever fear for your safety in covering any of these stories not then i mean not ever uh not with those not not with those situations i've been in dicey situations that had nothing

to do with mobsters before you know you get some angry people right uh you know and and and And, you know, nobody likes to be questioned in a bar. Let me just tell you that. Nobody likes a reporter walking around a bar asking questions no matter where you are. But, no, I never felt that because, for the most part, I mean, look back. You know, you don't have a lot of instances of reporters being attacked by mobsters. I mean, for one thing, they don't think reporters have that much power. and the other thing, some of them like seeing their names in the paper.

Yeah, right. You've told me that before. Yeah. Yeah. All right. A couple of things real quickly before we get to the Snyder story. Did you see Redskins or Washington football team social media announced that they had hashtagged 1932 as their official hashtag to replace HTTR? Did you see that over the weekend? Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. That was Nat and all, like. It was Natnall's like.

It was the hashtag 1932. Apparently Twitter doesn't allow you to hashtag numbers. And they put out essentially, for all intents and purposes, a borderline press release announcing that the Washington football team's new hashtag instead of HTTR would be 1932, which is the year in which the football team was established in Boston, not here. And they were quickly told that you can't. can't hashtag numbers.

Now that was a valuable moment for Washington football fans. Just a little jolt, just a little jolt, a little reminder for everyone all caught up into sleeping changes, that nothing really changed. You know, there is the, you know, the London Flector and the, you know, putting Thysman and Doug Williams on the wrong sides of the Super Bowls they won on tickets. There's an attention to detail that the best companies, the best organizations tend to have. And this one's never had it. And I think right now, they're still in React mode to losing the team name

and having to scramble here to put everything together. But I thought that was pretty typical. The other thing, too, is that they retweeted the other day, A message from a fan about the team's new nickname next year if they ever get to that. And this seemed to be an indication to a lot of fans that they are going in the direction of Red Wolves. The Washington football team on its Twitter account yesterday put out a letter from Sarah and Herndon who wrote, once I saw it, I fell in love. I really love the idea of the Washington Red Wolves.

I've been a fan of this team since I was born. So that is over 26 years. And my dad's been a season ticket holder for a while. Can't wait for what's next, exclamation point. Well, one of my sons and all of the younger fans in particular went wild because, you know, Red Wolves is the favorite of Twitter. There's no doubt that people want the younger demographic and the people who are communicating primarily in life via social media.

they want Red Wolves. I personally think it sounds like a kid's youth basketball team, but I don't care really either. I don't really care how they end up where this ends up. I'd prefer that they just continue to brand Washington, but however it plays out is fine. But this was a big, big thing yesterday on social media. My son told me that people,

the fans that want Red Wolves are going nuts because this was an indication that the team, team was acknowledging that they hear them, that they hear that Red Wolves is the name that they really, really want. So we'll see. We're a year away from that. Darius Geis happened since we last did a show. So I think we should start there and then we'll get to the Snyder story. So Darius Geis, most of you now know that Darius Geis, was arrested on Friday, and the team immediately released him after he was arrested on four different counts. One was a felony count for strangulation. TMZ really broke down the charges

pretty well yesterday, actually, describing everything that had happened with his girlfriend in three different incidents. I was totally, when I first saw the Geiss arrest on him, first thing I thought of was they're going to cut him. But in part because I have said for a couple of months that he's got a lot to prove because this is a culture change. And I'm not so sure he's Ron Rivera's type of guy, that he's a very immature guy. And I'd heard a lot of stories, not about this stuff, about what he was arrested for. But I think 100% they did the right thing by cutting him loose right now, even though there is a presumption. of innocence in this country, even though it's very possible that charges could be dropped or

it could go to court and he could be found innocent. This franchise, in this league, by the way, this was an absolute given that they had to cut their ties with him immediately. You agree, right? Yes. Look, like I've always said, the most important question, the owner of a football team or any sports franchise should ask themselves that every day is what's the most important thing for the franchise? What's the most important thing for the organization? And the most important thing for this

franchise, when it came to this, was the cut ties with Darius Geist. In the larger picture, that's the only move you could really make. You know, Darius Geis might wind up through some circumstances, you know, being innocent of charges,

and, you know, basically, you know, being, you know, I hate to use the word victim, but being a casualty of this, but you can't let that come in the play anymore. You know, you're not running a country. You're running a football. You're running a business. We're running a business here, you know? Yeah.

And, you know, I mean, you know, I mean, some guys, you know, constitutional rights for somebody who hasn't earned any goodwill. No, it's like you could come off. Let's say you had a guy who'd been with the organization five or six years. Well, to take Ryan Carrigan, 10 years. Right. Yeah. I mean, that guy has earned so much goodwill. He's going to get the benefit of every doubt.

You know, but you have to build that up. You know, and he had no reservoir of that whatsoever. And I think beyond that there was actually, you know, I think that there were with this new group with Ron Rivera's group, a feeling of he had a lot to prove to them between now and September anyway. I think that there were immaturity issues. Some of what's been reported since Friday, Carolina took him off their draft board. He was not a draftable player for the Panthers when Ron Rivera was in Carolina. Now, Rivera wasn't the GM. I think Marty Herney was. I don't think it was Gettelman that year. But the geist was probably off many boards because of questions about

many things, injury history, maturity, et cetera. I've been hearing for several months about maturity. We know that he's only played in five games over two years and really only significant time in a couple of them because of his injury history. So if you just wanted to take the path of, let's not talk about personality or how he fits in with a culture, this is a guy. that couldn't stay on the field and was never available, so there was going to be a concern about that going in. But going back several months, I did a call segment on the radio show back in June or May or June

about a player who would shock, you know, would surprise most people if he's not on the roster. And I said it would be a surprise, but watch the relationship with Geis, because Geis's maturity, along with his injury history, may be a problem with a guy that wants to change a culture. Now, again, I couldn't see this coming, didn't hear anything about this, even though there were these incidents dating back to February 14th.

The first incident was February 14th. The second was March 13th, 2020, which is where the accuser says that he strangled her until she was unconscious. By the way, I was reading something about strangulation or attempted strangulation that in the cases of domestic violence, there's no, there's, it's one of the biggest indicators of being capable of murder is an attempt to strangle.

Um, and so this was a, you know, this may have been this specific charge, which is a felony. He could face five years in prison if he's proven, if he's proven, uh,

to have done this. You know, that kind of thing in, in getting to the bottom of the report with maybe a Beth Wilkins and helping out may have also accelerated their decision. But I think that they were predisposed to, this guy's got a lot to prove before he's absolutely going to be a part of our franchise moving forward. But as a standalone event, just this, they did the right thing.

This organization, after that story in the Post, after what they've been as an organization, in a league where domestic violence has been a problem for the league, now is an emphasis to address it and to address it appropriately, they did the right thing. And somebody may pick them up like Kareem Hunt got picked up. But it wasn't for this team to wait it out. It wasn't for this team to wait it out. I would agree. So now, and you correct me if I'm wrong here, the team has one running back who has carried the ball in an NFL game, right? No, Peyton Barbers. They signed Peyton Barber. So it's Adrian Pied. Peterson and Peyton Barber. And they've got J.D. McKissick, too, is more of a third downback.

I'm very excited about Bryce Love. I have been since they drafted him. I just have no idea at all whether or not he is, he's recovered health-wise to where he was as a college player. I know what he was as a college player at Stanford. Whether or not he's gotten, he's been cleared, but whether or not he is back to that level after that injury, I don't know. obviously excited about Antonio Gibson, who could play a number of positions. But right now, I would say, you know, it's Adrian Peterson and Peyton Barber as your first down backs. And maybe Bryce Love emerges as the surprise guy. So that would be the way I think the depth chart would shake out. But Geis, you know, again, there, of course there's a presumption of innocence in this country still. I think there is. But I think there were a lot. of issues with this young man, even prior to this, that had raised concerns among the new group that came in in January. Probably not the old group. Let's not forget. This is a guy that Jay Gruden benched and made inactive Adrian Peterson to give Darius Geis a chance. And Geis's

talent was unmistakable. I mean, that game he had at Carolina to end Ron Rivera's career as the Panthers head coach was a phenomenal display. Ten carries 129 yards. He really is talented. There's no doubt about that. But for an organization that's trying to change a culture, certainly this doesn't work what happened on Friday. And I'm not so sure they felt it was going to be a great fit anyway. All right, I want to get to this Snyder story. First, though, let me tell you about manscaped.com. Guys, are you prepared or have you been prepared to unveil that summer bod of yours? Tommy, you're getting ready to go to the beach next week.

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let me give you sort of the chronological events of this. Dan Snyder last week sued a company called M-E-A-W-W. That company is Media Entertainment Arts Worldwide. They are an India-based company, and Snyder filed last week in an Indian court a lawsuit, against this company for publishing articles linking Dan Snyder to Jeffrey Epstein. This all goes back to the week lead-up to the post story about a month ago now that indicated that 15 women stepped forward and alleged sexual harassment and verbal harassment by the Redskins organization. The week leading up to it, as most recall, included all of these wild rumors on the internet.

One included a story that this media entertainment arts worldwide printed that Snyder had been linked to Jeffrey Epstein. Now, this group put out a statement saying that they acknowledged that in some of their public statements that there were, factual problems with their stories, but they denied that outsiders paid for their placement. I'll get to that part in a moment. Snyder's lawyers said that media entertainment arts worldwide intentionally sowed disinformation at the behest of undisclosed clients, including governments and intelligence services, and they're often hired by clients that are cloaked behind several layers of anonymous corporate entities. This is what Snyder's lawyers allege that they do. And then they alleged that they

were involved in spreading stories and internet information that included Snyder being tied to Jeffrey Epstein. Now, the follow-up to that, Tommy, came yesterday. When Dan Snyder accused a former team employee in a federal court of taking part in an internet misinterested. information campaign against him, falsely linking him to convicted sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein and using Twitter bots that spread unfounded rumors about Snyder abusing drugs, holding sex parties, and bribing NFL referees. Remember, those were some of the stories we heard leading up to the post story. Here's the detail of the filing yesterday. The filing, a request for discovery in the federal district court in Alexandria, Virginia, accuses Mary Ellen Blair,

a former executive assistant to Snyder, of acting as an intermediary for unnamed adversaries Snyder thinks paid an India-based online news company to publish false stories linking him to Epstein. That would be the company that I just spoke of, the media entertainment arts worldwide company. This is his lawyer speaking. Joe Tocopina. Quote, we know someone's behind these slanderous and quite frankly

despicable articles that were published. We need to understand who's behind this with certainty. We want our proof. Now, Mary Ellen Blair, the former executive assistant to Snyder, through her attorney, the attorney said that

that her client denied that her, I'm sorry, denied that her client had involvement with the Epstein stories and accused Snyder of seeking to quote, humiliate and intimidate his former employee. The filings in obvious and inappropriate attempt to silence Ms. Blair and others who may wish to communicate with legitimate news organizations about the culture of sexism, harassment, and abuse that has existed at the highest levels of the Washington football team. decades. Bullying and baselessly disparaging former employees who provide truthful information about their experience with Dan Snyder and his organization will do nothing to repair the reputation he claims in this filing to care so deeply about. Now here's the real intriguing part. Let me, before I get to this, just make sure everybody's clear. Snyder sues this media company in India for falsely putting out a story that he had tied.

with Jeffrey Epstein. Then yesterday in a court filing for discovery, he accuses his former executive assistant of acting as an intermediary for this India-based online news company and providing information to them. Now here, Tommy, is really, I think, the part that is going to become very interesting and makes it a must-follow story. Snyder's filing yesterday in court, documents from Mary Ellen Blair, his former executive assistant, as well as from Comstock holding companies, a Virginia real estate company that owns rental properties where Blair, Mary Ellen Blair, his former executive assistant, has lived. The filing alleges that Blair received discounted rent for years, while working for the same unidentified people who funded would Snyder

believes was an orchestrated fake news internet campaign against him. Monday's filing appears to mark an intensification between Snyder and the three minority owners of the football team over the franchise's direction. That would be, remember, Fred Smith, Bob Rothman, and Dwight Schar own roughly 40% of the organization. While his name is not mentioned in the filing, Dwight Schar, one of those minority owners seeking to sell his share of the team is the father-in-law of Comstock chief executive Christopher Clement. Schar's daughter, Tracy Schar, is a senior VP at Comstock and sits on the company's board of directors. Comstock, again, being the company and the real estate company that owns rental properties that gave this Mary Ellen Blair, who worked for Snyder,

who Snyder's accusing of providing disinformation, to this company in India, discounted rent for years. Dwight Schar could not be reached a comment. Tracy Schar released a statement denying Snyder's allegations and said Blair paid the market rate for apartments that she's lived in at two Comstock properties since 2015. Quote, any insinuation that Ms. Blair receives special treatment for any reason is patently false. Any allegations or disparagement of Comstock is just spinning. designed to deflect from public reports of extremely disturbing behavior overseen by Mr. Snyder

in his tenure as the majority owner of the Washington football team. Close quote. So Snyder believes Tommy that the source of all of these internet stories was not only Mary Ellen Blair, but connect the dots as you. always say. Dwight Schar, one of the minority owners. That's stunning. That's absolutely stunning. My impression is, and maybe you know something different, that Dwight Schar, very good friend is Joe Gibbs. Yes, I think, for many years.

Yeah. Much closer than Joe Gibbs and Dan Snyder. From my understanding. Yeah, I think you're right about that. I think you're 100% right about that. So this is potentially huge divisive development, possibly with the relationship between Gibbs and Snyder. That's another dot connected. I mean, sticking with the dots that are in this story, even if Dwight Schar and Comstock weren't involved. Just the quote from his daughter where she says, the spokesperson for

Dwight Schar's daughter, says any allegations or disparagement of Comstocks just been designed to deflect from the public reports of extremely disturbing behavior overseen by Mr. Snyder in his tenure as the majority owner of the Washington football team. Like even if Comstock has nothing to do with Mary Ellen Blair or any of these internet stories. You can tell based on the daughter, the statement from the daughter, from the daughter's spokeswoman, that they don't like, the Shars don't like Dan or anything that's happened here recently. No. No. It shows how ugly, how ugly this fallout has become. And, you know, again, look, if you are, Again, this is a different dot.

I'm going to let you take me down your path. But again, we discussed this last week. If Ron Rivera has no regret about taking this job, then he's an idiot. I mean, I'm not even thinking about that part now because this is so, this is so intriguing because it speaks to the conflict between, the minority owners and the majority owner. It speaks to an unbelievable accusation by the majority owner that essentially leads to one of his minority owners

and that relationship. I mean, Ron Rivera right now, I mean, after reading, could he have read this story, you know, when it was the Post did a good job, Will Dobson did, and I'm sure others did, and say to his wife, this morning over coffee. Good God, does this ever end with this guy? It's very possible. But at the same time, you know, Dwayne Haskins had a conference call this morning and they've got,

they're in training camp, and they've got, you know, he's into football mode right now. Tommy. Yeah, I know, but ownership, ownership signs his check. This goes to, this goes to when owners are squabling and you're the coach, you've got a big problem. No, no, I know that, but he's getting paid. The checks are going to clear. I know that. I just, look, of course, you know, whatever, however you want to describe his, this is the perfect job for me and I have no regrets.

That's fine. I mean, it's too late now. You know, and most of those people that are built and constructed like Ron Rivera, you know, may say, all right, I fucked up. We shouldn't have taken this gig, but we're here. And oh, by the way, I got some defensive talent. And this Chase Young's going to be dominant the way we're going to use them. So let's get ready to play some football.

But Tommy, the whole minority owner piece of the last two months of stories has been the biggest, you know, unknown. It's been the biggest question mark. You know, what is the relationship between these three minority owners and Dan? We've heard that, you know, the, you know, the, The league doesn't want Dan to own the team. The minority owners are sick of what Dan's been as an owner. And probably, and I think you said this, and it's certainly a logical extension, is that they saw this post story coming, and maybe they see more stories coming on all this stuff,

on the culture, and they didn't want to be any part of it. At the same time, maybe, you know, this disinformation campaign was also an attempt to really get the league to say, this guy just, can't own the team anymore, and so that the three of them could jump in and buy the majority owner out. You know, and maybe at a discount, just like Mary Ellen Blair may have gotten a discount on a rental property. I mean, the whole thing is, you're talking now, I mean, the filing in court for this discovery

to find out where Mary Ellen Blair was funded in this effort. first of all, she hasn't been convicted of anything. She's just been accused. And then to find out where, you know, who she was acting as an intermediary for. You know, if she was acting as an intermediary for the Shars or for the minority ownership of this franchise and this India company that, I guess, has expertise in putting out disinformation campaign, but hiding the source of that information, this would be just incredible. I mean, not to mention the fact that, you know, that post story that came out still to me,

it's amazing to me. And I wonder whether or not the minority owners feel the same way. When that story came out, there was a feeling in Ashburn of, well, that wasn't that bad. there really was. I read to you. I read to you the letter that I had three people, three friends of mine who were clients of the team. Their businesses are clients of the team. And I read to you the Lewis Shrek letter, right? Didn't I read that to you or not? Yes. Yes, you did. I mean, it's amazing. They actually attach the post article and said, you know, there's wild stuff flying around the internet and on social media, that stuff isn't true. What is true is the attack. post story, as if to say, you know, all that stuff about Epstein and paying off referees and, you know, sex trafficking, that wasn't true. The 15 women that accused us of sexual harassment, that's true. Like, like it was a badge of honor. Like, they really, like they dodged a bullet,

you know, which of course is not true. Um, but it wasn't enough for Dan to be forced to sell the team because he wasn't, you know, implicated directly. He's pissed right now about the, look, the bottom line is the wild rumors that were going on that week. Here's the irony, Tommy. The irony is this. The wild internet speculation about Jeffrey Epstein in drugs and sex parties and bribing NFL referees actually helped Snyder and his team because it set this expectation level. level so high of what the post story was going to be about, that the post story, regardless of how damaging it really is as a standalone entity, it ended up falling short of what everybody thought it was. And so the team, and Snyder in particular, because he wasn't implicated directly,

actually benefited from all of this misinformation that set it up. But now he wants to go after the people that created that misinformation that actually ended up helping him probably that week. You know, you're right. This whole bizarre media event, for lack of a better word, the way

it unfolded, is that the story that for most organizations would have been something they would have run from, for this organization, that post story was protection. It was their field.

I know. That's so bizarre. So bizarre. Now, you know, there's a whole other part of this. There's a lot going on with this lawsuit, not the least of which is the lawyer for Snyder. Have you ever heard of Joe Taka Pena? Well, I hadn't heard of them, but obviously I read about the people that he's represented, including, you know, rapper Meek Mill and all the issues he had, you know, several years back.

And who were some of the other big clients? Well, he is the very definition of high profile. Right. You know, the New York Post has the paid six, all the celebrities. Sure. He's a regular on page six. Okay. He's represented, he represented A-Rod in his dispute with Major League Baseball over his suspension.

He was called by the Post New York's most hated attorney at one point. Uh, he actually, he's a Brooklyn-born guy, real, real Italian guy. In a profile, I read once of him, uh, a private detective who worked for him, said he's something out of the godfather. He's traditional Italian. He likes his black coffee, and he likes his kids around him. And actually, early in his career, he used to represent the mafia. Oh, really? Yeah. So this is, this, Joe Tacapina makes this a whole, another level of interesting.

Oh, I just, I totally recognize him. I just pulled up the picture of him. Yeah. I've seen him on TV a bunch. Oh, yeah. He does a lot of TV. Yeah. This is, this is a high-profile lawyer, and it's an interesting choice by Dan Snyder. I don't know how effective he's going to be, but he's considered to be a very good lawyer. in addition to being a very outspoken and flamboyant lawyer. He was a college hockey player who dabbled about 10 years ago

in representing hockey players as an agent and got into a real pissing match with the Capitals. Over a hockey player, he represented for the Caps named Eric Bellinger, when the Caps pulled out their last-minute offer, pulled it off the table, and he got into the pissing match with Ted, and the capitals about this. Interesting. He's an interesting character.

And at one point, he owns a soccer team, Tommy, an Italian soccer team. Yes. Venet CFC. In Italy, absolutely. He's a knight, apparently. He's a member of the Knights of San Marco.

And where is the other thing? I can't find it right now. Well, I bet this is a, you know, a yacht friend of his from the Amalfi Coast, probably. Yes, yes. Although he lives in Connecticut. Yeah. He has sued the Daily News before over articles that they've written about him,

sued them for defamation. And actually, according to one story, when they were in court over Alex Rodriguez, He has his steroid charges, and the lawyer for the dealer who dealt A-Rod, you know, they were in court against each other. This guy, Julio Ayala, who was one of the guys who fed A-Rod, his drugs, and then they had a falling out. Right. So Taka Pina had to be stopped from brawing with the lawyer in court. So this, I'm sure Snyder loves this guy.

I mean, because he's a brawler. And Julio Ayala was not the right name. I forget who it was, but it was somebody else. But Joe Takapeen is going to make this more interesting than Beth Wilkinson. How's that? Yeah. I'm sure. That's really interesting.

I mean, I knew that he was, I hadn't heard him. I recognize him by face. I didn't know the name. but this is, I think, a new lawyer for Snyder. I don't think this guy was involved in suing season ticket holders or small newspapers like the city paper. I don't, I haven't seen him come across the wire before, but it will, I tell you what, this is going to be a lot of fun to watch on phone.

And here's, look, here's the downside when even if Snyder may have a leg to stand on and may feel like he's empowered to do this. When you do this, you expose yourself to the discovery and the counterclaims that the other side can bring up. You really open yourself up. Right. You know, I mean, basically, they could turn around and say, well, he may not be this bad guy, but he's this bad guy, you know?

and basically create a situation where you can't possibly damage this guy's reputation because it's so damaged. I had heard that Fred Smith had zero interest in owning the football team. I had heard that in terms of recently, it's possible that a year ago or two years ago, but with his son Arthur Smith being the O.C. in Tennessee, he would have been more interested in purchasing the Titans than a majority stake in the Washington football team, at least recently. At one point perhaps. At one point perhaps, yes. Now, that leaves two other owners, Bob Rothman and Dwight Schar. Well, Schar, I believe, is worth a lot more than Rothman.

Snyder's move here may be to convince the league that this guy doesn't deserve to own a football team either. If it's Char that's coming for the team and hoping that Snyder is, you know, gets in trouble or is found, you know, that the league owners decide to finally vote them out, which, you know, can't happen based on that first post story as a standalone. I think I'm right about Dwight Sharr. I'm looking that up because I think that that NV, that NVR home's thing is worth a fortune. So his net worth appears to be in the hundreds of millions. Robert Rothman net worth. I mean, this is Google, and it is usually not very accurate. I don't know. I can't find his.

Anyway, I don't know what the purpose of this is. It could be just for the press release so that Snyder looks like he's so angry. at what happened, and it may be a scare tactic for people not to do it in the future. You know, again, the irony is it probably helped them out that particular week, you know, all of these stories, and the fact that they weren't true and they weren't included in the post story. But... I don't see TACAPAina waste in his time with just a publicity thing.

So I think this will move forward. And like I said, the danger moving forward is the other side. It's going to do everything again to reveal the negative about Dan Snyder. Right. And it's always the caution when you sue is the word discovery. You better make sure your house is clean. Yeah. Interesting story, though, don't you think?

I mean, without the job, without the job. Dwight Sharr piece, it almost looks like, dude, why are you wasting your time? You know, like a city paper thing. Why are you wasting your time going, you know, going after some India-based company that, you know, put out some bots and put out some false stories about you? It's the fact that those stories, the source of those stories could trace back to one of his minority owners that is really, makes it very interesting. So we'll see how obviously that plays out.

We'll get to college football and the Nats and the Caps. Talk about that briefly here in a moment. But first, a quick word from Indochino. All right, let's finish up with some Caps, Nats, and a little bit of college football. Start with the Caps, Tommy, who are the three seed in the Eastern Conference. And tomorrow they've got the first game of a best of seven against the Islanders and Barry Trots. I had Joe B on the show this morning, Joe Beninotti,

and we talked about the series and we previewed the series. But I think that the big storyline here, right, is Trots against his former team. Trots who won a series last year in the postseason when they took out the penguins in four games before losing in the second round. And Todd Reardon, who lost his only playoff series last year in the first round to Carol. and now is in a matchup with Barry Trots. I asked Joe, is there a lot of pressure on Reardon to beat Trots? And basically what he said is there's probably a lot of pressure on Reardon just to win a

playoff series. But it is an odd setting for a playoff series. It doesn't feel like it necessarily. But this is an interesting storyline, maybe the biggest storyline in the quarterfinal round in the Eastern Conference, Barry Trots, the Stanley Cup, winning coach in Washington against his former team? This is a big deal. Barry Trott, his success and departure will hang over this team until Todd Reardon has a track

record of playoff success. Not only did they lose in the first round of Carolina last year, they looked bad doing it. Yeah. He was out-coached, and they just looked terrible, do you? You don't know that he was out-coached. Yes, I do. I do know he was out-coached. If I know he was out-coached, then he was really out-coached.

What do you think he should have done, you know, to not be out-coached? How about not having his star player all coached up? Well, that's, I don't think he did that on purpose. Old Coosie did that on his own. No, but basically for Trots, I think that, yeah, I think that this would go a long way, even though in this kind of bizarre truncated season, and now we're in the playoffs, I think a win over Barry Trott would be much more, would be very valuable for Todd Reard moving forward, both in the locker room and outside within the Capp's fan base.

Do you think Ted would fire him if he loses? No. No, I think this. Look, anyone who gets fired this year coming off what happens this year, I agree. Seems kind of foolish. I agree with that. I mean, it's hard to make judgments on people basically what we're going through now

and trying to adjust to that. I mean, basically, I think what you need to do is any success you get out of this is gravy and any failures you chalk up to the coronavirus era, and you move on to the next season. So I don't think his job is jeopardy, but I think he would quiet a lot of fears if his team could beat Barry Trott's team. Yeah, I think that's true.

You know, I was thinking about something, and I sort of came to it during my conversation with Joe Beninati this morning, and it was this, you know, the caps just played this round-robin format, you know, to determine seating, which really is not very important because there's no home ice advantage in Toronto in the bubble city. And, you know, Joe essentially, you know, implied that they were going at like 70 percent. Like they haven't ramped up, you know, it wasn't taken as seriously as obviously the postseason will be now. Right. And at the same time, the Islanders were playing a play-in best of five series against Florida.

They won that three games to one. And I was thinking, you know, there's, gambling-wise, if you take the team that played in the first four in recent years in the NCAA tournament, you know, played on Tuesday or Thursday night, Tuesday or Wednesday night and then played Thursday, Friday, and they had the intensity of a winner go-home game, you know, on that Tuesday or Wednesday. talking about the 16 seeds. I'm talking about in recent years, where as part of the first four, we've gotten, you know, two 12 seeds to advance, you know, to face a five seed, or two 13s to

face a four, or two 11s to face a six. Anyway, the point is that the team that just played this high intense, you know, winner go home has really gotten into the feel and the intensity and the pressure of these games. And the team that they're playing, even though that team had rest in his higher seated, it takes a while for that team to adjust to win or go home and the pressure of it. The other team just got to win. And that we've seen a lot of upsets with that team that played on Tuesday or Wednesday night in recent years. Again, not the 16 seeds.

I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the other teams. And, you know, the wild card teams in the NFL, you know, not only pull off big wins, but many times are really competitive and have a chance to win on the run. road against the team that had the first round by. That's not unusual either. My point is, is that the caps, you know, basically just coasted at 70%, not very serious, not really caring about the results. I mean, Ovechkin didn't even put a point up in any of these games. Carlson didn't play. They need to get him back. And they're going to play the Islanders who just came off an

intense five-game series. Actually, it went four. They went three games to one. And for me, I think that means tomorrow afternoon, shortly before 3 p.m. Maybe not in a series, because this isn't a one and done. It's a best of seven. But I may have a nice little wager on the Islanders in game one to get off to a better start because they've played in meaningful games. And the caps, it's been since, I mean, really almost since March since they played in a meaningful game. Yes.

Yes, it had. So something to keep it on. And I think that that does come into play with hockey. George McPhee talked about the momentum. I asked George McPhee once. I thought that the, I think it was 2012, the Dale Hunter team, had their best chance of making it to the Stanley Cup finals of all his team. But he said the first one that made it to the Stanley Cups with Ovescans.

that took the flyers to seven games. Yeah, right. That was the one that Bruce Boudreau took over in November, and they went on a tremendous tear the rest of the year going into the postseason. He said he thought that team, if they had gotten past the flyers, had a chance to go on and win the Stanley Cup, and it was because of the momentum they had. Because of how they were playing in their momentum.

They didn't win that series, though. And then the next year they lost to the penguins in games. and it took until old Trotsie got here for them to win the whole thing. And then they said goodbye to Trotsey. I think I mentioned this to you last week. I've actually enjoyed the hockey that I've watched. I found it to be much more realistic. Now, I think I pointed this out that these are meaningful games,

some of these playoff games. I watched some of the Penguins Canadian series. and it felt very intense. Like, you know, a couple of the games here that have been on NBC Sports Network or on NBC have gone to overtime. And hockey playoff overtime is so thrilling. And even though there aren't fans there, you can still feel the intensity in watching it. So I'm actually looking forward to seeing this NHL postseason now into its final eight teams each conference, best of sevens, in a bubble city where they've had, you know, it's worked.

I mean, the Toronto-Edmonton thing's worked and the NBA thing in Orlando has worked. So, you know, it's not going to surprise me if we get a Stanley Cup champion. And if we get an NBA champion here over the next couple of months, I mean, these playoffs and these sports, we know take forever. You know, they take, you know, two months to play out. but you're going to have nothing but in the NHL and starting next week in the NBA, nothing but real meaningful playoff games. In baseball, you haven't seen that.

And then in baseball, you've also had the issue, obviously, with the Cardinals and the Marlins in particular of all of these interruptions and postponements, etc. Speaking of that, did you see the shot Soto hit last night? Yeah. Oh, my God. There's a quote from him in the post game interview where he says, you know, he likes to watch his home run, but running the basis gets in the way. That, the 463-foot estimated, according to stat cast, I think stats cast, is the longest home run of his very short career.

He crushed that. And then the professional hitter is Droobel Cabrero, who went four-for-four-four-four-war. with two doubles and two homers against his former team. That guy flat out just gets hits. I'm pulling it up now. I want to see what he's actually hitting so far in, what is it, 12 games? I think they're 5 and 7. Cabrera's hitting 357 right now through 12 games.

He played first base for just the fifth time in his career. They had a crazy infield. I don't know if you saw that. You know, they had Cabrera at first. Castro was at second. DeFo, I mean, Turner was it short, and then they had Key Boom at third. So Cabrera was in there, but playing first base, which, I don't know, is that the first time he's done it with the Nats?

It said in the game story that it's only the fifth time in his career that he's played first. But they need his bat and lineup. Yes, they do. They absolutely need him to get in there. They needed to win that game. Yeah, I mean, they're on the... After getting pumbled by the Orioles and then having that... that TARP

canceling their final game with the Orioles in that series. They needed that game last night. Well, more likely than not, the Orioles are going to come, and they're up five to two with two runners on and one out in the sixth inning, up five to two. When they finish that game at Camden Yards on Friday night,

that's probably going to be a loss for the Nats. I mean, it might not be. Yes. And so really they're five and seven right now, but they're more likely than not five and eight. And, you know, even with the expanded playoff format, which by the way, Major League Baseball is considering bubble cities for that. I don't know if you saw that story for the postseason. Two to three cities in particular. But, you know, the Nats, I mean, it's odd.

Like the Cardinals have not played now for, I think, over a week. they've only got five games in total played, and some teams have as many as 18 games played. So, you know, there's no way the Cardinals are going to be able to make up all of these games. I don't know what the solution is. Now, the Nationals make up games with the Marlins because they are playing the Marlins in their division are going to be easy to get, you know, seven-inning double-headers with several of their scheduled nine- inning games. and that's what the plan is to make up those games lost. But I don't know how the Cardinals make up these games.

I don't know how either. I think they're just going to say, oops, you know. Look, I just read something very, very, very depressing about what's coming, particularly starting in October. Oh, boy. So, you know, I mean, I still think. No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want to, I don't want to discuss it now.

But, uh, what? Tell me. It's the wave two. It's a wave two story. Yeah. Just tell me. I mean, but I, I'd have to find it, you know. Just to say it was, it was not encouraging news from a credible news source, you know.

So, uh, I still think the calendar is working against. You and I have difference of opinion on credible news sources. Yeah, I know that. You wouldn't, you're not too. I'm sure sometimes of what a credible news source is. You're damn right. I am. I don't believe many of them anymore from either side.

You know, this college football thing, Tommy, is, and we're sitting here because I was thinking that by the time we did the podcast, and it's 1130 now, we started it a little bit later. I was thinking we would have some college football news. The Big Ten was supposedly meeting this morning. I did have Mark Schlebe on the show this morning, and he wrote a very interesting story about yesterday, about the heart condition that they're discovering from people who have tested positive for the virus, and that this was a major alarm for college football yesterday. It's myocarditis, which is an inflammation of the heart muscle. it creates an enlarged heart muscle. And there were, I think, five big 10 athletes that it was found in.

And these were potentially athletes that had tested positive for COVID-19. To make a long story short, the possibility that you can test positive and be asymptomatic or even be symptomatic but not get sick and then have a condition off of that infection that puts you at significant risk, like a heart attack, really scared college football the last 48 hours. And what we saw was a crazy day yesterday where there were moments in which you thought college football was just going to be completely shut down.

And then the players rallied together with a lot of coaches and went on a social media crusade to try to convince school presidents and ADs that they wanted. to play and that they'll be safer in an environment where they're tested all the time and they've got more easy access to medical attention than they would at home. And so you had leagues sort of rethinking their position yesterday, especially when you got into the Schlebeau story on the myocarditis, this is a condition that's caused by a lot of different viral infections.

You know, the common cold can cause that. Mono can cause it. H1N1 influenza can cause it. And it is a left undiagnosed and untreated. It can be a very serious thing. It can cause heart damage. It can cause sudden cardiac arrest. But what's ironic, and I talked to Mark about this, is the testing for COVID-19 is revealing

this, whereas it may have been there because they had a cold last year or they had the flu last year, but it's the COVID-19 positive test that's actually revealing that they've got this underlying condition, which now they can be treated for and kept out of, you know, heavy exercise, which is a risk when you have it. I don't know what the answer is here. I have no idea what the answer is here. My guess is the SEC is going to try to play football this year, and that the Big 12 and maybe even the ACC are going to try to play football. But that the Big 10 and the Pac-12 in particular of the Power 5 are going to end up with a decision, and it hasn't come out. They're meeting this morning.

I bet that they delay this thing until the end of September and then come back to it in early September to determine whether or not they're going to have a season. It's not going to look better at the end of September. It's not going to look better then. Well, what you would have potentially is a couple of weeks of other conferences playing. Right. to learn from. You would have more of the end,

you'd have a couple of weeks of the NFL. What happens in September is not going to be what happens in November. I understand that time. We think it won't be. We don't know for sure. Cold and flu season. Where outdoor freedom wind up becoming diminished and people have to, if they want to congregate,

wind up going back indoors as the weather gets colder. Well, only you retreat indoors when the weather gets colder. I enjoy the cold. I like being out in the cold. But, you know, I'm being sarcastic there. But I think we're not sure about any of this shit right now. I mean, I read this story two weeks ago, and maybe it's been updated, and this could be completely an outdated thing,

that the flu season in the southern hemisphere has been insignificant compared to recent years for some reason. and that that would be a help here if we don't have nearly as much of a regular influenza season. And at the same time, by the time we get into the winter, who knows, we might have more meds or we might have vaccines. Vaccines plural. I talked to my CDC neighbor Sunday morning. He was walking the dog. I was out in the front yard. And he thinks there are going to be multiple vaccine opportunities by early next year.

You know, whether or not they'll all be home runs. but there are going to be several options there. Well, I read. I mean, Foutsy said, you know, even if there's a 50% success rate, they're going to be out there. Yeah, because, of course, a 50% success rate in the vaccine would make 50% of the people who were vulnerable to infection to not being vulnerable to infection. Yeah, I mean, we know the flu vaccine. Sure. It's not, I mean, I've gotten the flu when I've had the flu vaccine.

Right. So it happened. Yeah. But, I mean, you know, but yeah, I'd like it to be a little bit more than 50%, but even if it's 50%, it'll be out there. Heather Dinnich, who, you know, covers college football for ESPN, still reporting here as of moments ago that the Big Ten still meeting and that what they're considering is either a postponement of the season until spring or a pushing back the start of the season to September 20th. I did find it very interesting yesterday about how the players really came together with some coaches and said, no, we want to play because we think it's safer for us to be in an environment in college with testing and with access. Think about a lot of these college football players. Being at home

may be more of a risk than being at college. And certainly the access to medical attention for many of these young people is the access is much greater on a college campus where all of their medicals taken care of than potentially at home where they live. Well, you know, I can't tell you how good that makes me feel as my weight from my 11th day to get my test for COVID. I'm so glad that college football players would have such great access to testing. You know, it makes me so happy. The other thing real quickly, Tommy, that Schlebeau was explaining, he's like, you know, the impact on college sports from this will be so significant and potentially so irreversible.

You know, football carries the freight for everything. Football is so critical to so many universities around this country. And it's not just athletic departments, but it's also the industry. entirety of the school in terms of the revenue that it generates. Now, I read Sally's column the other day. I don't know if you did it or not. I think she did a really good job of steering clear of like making the case that players should be paid and focusing much more on what should be focused on now. Before you ever get to paying players, you've got to cut out the cost excesses.

You know, the assistant coach is being paid $3 million a year. the ridiculous, you know, luxurious locker rooms and training facilities and trips that they get to go on, all of the excess of college sports, which can easily be cut out without impacting the product. Because once you shave that away, then you've got a real cost number, and now you can really figure out whether or not you can actually afford to pay players, which I'm telling you, mentioned this many times over the years. Most schools, you can't, because most schools don't. make money in their athletic department. Now, a lot do. He actually pointed something out that I did not know. He said, Barry Alvarez, the athletic director, former football coach at the University of

Wisconsin, runs the best athletic department in the country, and that they have the biggest surplus of any school, and there's no school better prepared for a rainy day like we're in right now than the University of Wisconsin. Now, I know they're a Big Ten school, but, but But I would have guessed Texas or Ohio State, you know, or Alabama. You know, Wisconsin's a powerful football program. Don't get me wrong. But he said he's done such a great job at managing costs. And that's why he's lost some coaches, including Brett Bielma, who left there for Arkansas, if you recall,

because Alvarez wouldn't pay him what the going rate was. But I like the Sally article because it focused on, you've got to get all this excess out. And then we can look at everything else. But anyway, back to what. what Schlebeaut told me this morning. He's like, look, a lot of these sports in colleges where kids get scholarships or partial scholarships, a lot of Title IX stuff, you know,

you're just, you're not, it's going to be gone for good. Now, the Title IX stuff is going to be really interesting, right? Because it's law. And if you do play football and you two play men's basketball, you're going to have to play, you know, women's basketball, more likely than not. but what football generates for 90% of the big-time sports schools and 10% of them are basketball first schools. And he said, you know, other than the Dukes and the Maryland's and the true basketball first schools, football just it pays the way for everything.

And it's just going to, it's going to impact not only schools and athletic departments and so many of these sports will no longer exist, which means, means there won't be scholarship opportunities for kids that play, you know, non-revenue generating sports. Not to mention, as he and I talked about, the impact economically on so many of these college towns that literally rely on and live on six to seven home weekends a year. Oh, yeah. Well, look, I mean, the haircut, everyone is taking an enormous haircut and and the hair may not grow back. I mean, really? I mean, I'm just stunning.

How many, I mean, you know, if and when things do are safe enough to go back to normal, will there be a tremendous race, a tremendous surge, or will there have been so much damage that it will be a slow return? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But college sports, as we once knew them, could be altered forever.

Really could. And, you know, college football time is a $4.2 billion top line business. 4.2 billion. Now, college sports in total, you know, and obviously the NCAA tournament has a lot to do with this, is like, you know, 10 to 12 billion somewhere in that area. But football's 4.2 billion. But that doesn't even factor in the economic benefits for, all of these college towns that live on people booking hotel rooms for weekends at ridiculous

rates for weekends of home games and the restaurants and the bars and everything. But yeah, I don't know. There's a lot at stake here, but, you know, there's a lot at stake health-wise, too. I just don't know. I don't know what the answer is. I don't know how anybody can definitively know what the answer is. There is something that makes sense to me about college students and college football players, perhaps having a better chance to stay healthy in a college bubble environment if they could create one.

But I don't know how you do that and then also play games. Anyway. Yeah. What else you got? That's all I got today, boss. All right. Tomorrow I will be here. We're going to talk a little bit about Dwayne Haskins on tomorrow's show.

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