The Kevin Sheehan Show - Snyder's Fingerprints On Collins Deal

Episode Date: March 12, 2019

Kevin opens the show talking about the Landon Collins deal. DeAngelo Hall comes on the show to talk about the Collins deal and what's next for the Redskins. J.I. Halsell talks in detail about the Collins contract and how it was structured by the Skins. Thom called in from Florida with his thoughts on Collins and talked about the Russell Westbrook situation as well. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. All right, I'm here. Aaron's here. This show's presented by Window Nation. If you're in the market for Windows, call 86690 Nation or go to Window Nation.com and tell them that we told you to call. DeAngelo Hall will be on the show today. J.I. Hall Sell, our salary cap and contract expert, will be on the show as well. And Tom will call in from Florida, where he is once again claiming to be there for Walsell. work. All right, let's get to the headline of Landon Collins. The deal for me is not the player, it's not the contract, it's not the potential impact that Landon Collins may or may not have on this Redskins defense or team. A safety has never been the difference in a non-playoff team becoming a serious contender. The position, no matter how great the player is, isn't one that

lead you to a Super Bowl. Ed Reed, in recent vintage of great Hall of Fame type of safeties, didn't do it on his own. He had Ray Ray, he had Suggs, he had great coaching, he had a great team culture. Landon Collins is a very good player, a blue chip player, more on the blue chip in a bit. Forget what kind of safety he is, all right, in the box, out of the box. He's a baller. He can and will help. He's not, however, going to turn this team into a playoff contender on his own.

He's not going to change the way the team is owned or operated. But the headline is not Landon Collins. The headline for me is Dan Snyder back in the driver's seat, back at the wheel. Bruce Not Boring? Bruce Not Boring. Perfect timing for yesterday's show, wasn't it? Bruce is boring. I came in yesterday after weeks of being adamant that Dan Snyder would stand.

wouldn't stand pat, and was about to, you know, make a splash in the off-season that another off-season of Stephen Pius and Kendall Reyes's just wasn't going to work. And then yesterday I come on after Cooley was on on Friday, and I'm like, you know what, I'm starting to get this feeling that it's going to be another Bruce boring off-season. I'll take credit, though, for being pretty adamant during this off-season, really from the day that the Eagles game ended, that more likely than not, Dan was going to re-insert himself

in a more meaningful way than he has. I just didn't see how, with the erosion of the fan base, the true accelerated erosion of this fan base, I just didn't see how Dan would look at the business and say, hey, give me David Bruton and give me Pernell McPhee and Orlando Scandric and we'll be good to go. I just didn't see Dan putting up with that. I just didn't think there was much of a chance of it. Dan is pushing Bruce right now. Make no mistake that he is pushing Bruce and

Eric Schaefer and Doug Williams to get impact players, especially yes, in areas where they have need. But the reason that this is the headline, Dan Snyder back at the wheel, is that this hasn't been the way it's been done during the Bruce Allen era. The signing of landing Collins to a monster deal, and we can get into the details of the deal and how the Redskins have structured it in a few minutes with J.I. Hallsell. But the signing of landing Collins to a monster deal early in free agency, as in the first day of legal tampering a free agency, is new for this regime. Yes, they've made some big trades, the RG3 deal, the Alex Smith deal. And yes, the deals for Norman. and Deshawn Jackson were labeled as big deals,

but they were all different than yesterday. Yesterday was Dan Snyder pre-2010. Yesterday was splashy. Yesterday was the Redskins being at the forefront on day one of NFL free agency. The business of the Redskins reached an all-time low at the end of last year. An all-time low. Revenue, reputation, respect, all have reached all-time lows in this organization. and Dan may not be able to read a scouting report, all right?

Snyder may not be able to read a scouting report, but he can damn well read a P&L statement. And he needed something to stop the revenue decrease. He needed something he could sell. Now, we can argue as to how sellable, how marketable Landon Collins is. We can also argue as to whether or not a star player is even something the lost fan base really cares about.

anymore. But Dan only knows one move. They wanted Antonio Brown. They were in on Antonio Brown. That's Dan Snyder's fingerprints all over that, if you believe the reports, that the Redskins were one of the three teams talking to the Steelers about AB. The fact that they were in on that conversation means they wanted more splash, not minimizing Antonio Brown's talent or the impact he would have, but it would be a splash move. The reports that they've had conversations about Josh Rosen here in the offseason means Dan wants more offseason sizzle.

He wants the Redskins to be back in the business of being a player, being a franchise that's relevant. Relevant how? As a winner? Not really. He'd like that to be a part of it. But he wants to be relevant in March, in April, in the key selling portion of the season for teams in the business of being an NFL franchise.

Raise that offseason champs banner. They've got to sell more corporate sponsorships. They've got to sell more suites. They've got to sell more tickets. I don't think Landon Collins does it, but it's the only way he knows how to do it. March headlines are better than no headlines. bland Bruce would have been fine had the bland turned in to a winning organization over the last nine years, but it hasn't. Cooley once said to me that Bruce Allen was Dan's attempt to be a good owner.

And if you don't know what that means, basically at the end of 2009, they'd gotten to the point where it was another all-time low. Vinny was perceived to be a clown show, and by extension, Dan, the same thing. You know, Vinnie may have just been Dan's doer and executor of Dan ideas, but it was a total and utter clown show from the Jim Zorn coaching staff to the way the roster was managed, how they did deals with bad players that were big name players, but that weren't good anymore, that were past their prime. and Bruce was Dan's attempt to be a good owner in that Bruce was a perceived, you know, resumeed NFL executive that he would create the perception that he knew what he was doing, would stop, and really, more importantly, Bruce would stop Dan from acting on his worst impulses, which he's probably done countless numbers of times over the last decade. You know, he'd keep him from embarrassing himself publicly or in league meetings.

But nine years of losing, it was even worse than the nine years that preceded it, with Dan and Vinny presiding over the operation. But the nine years of Bruce has run its course, not to the point where he was ready to get rid of Bruce. But the headline here is he's now pushing Bruce Allen and his group to act out of character. He's pushing Bruce to go against his. frugal instincts, his preference to walk around the building like he and Eric Schaefer are the greatest negotiators of all time, all the while negotiating their way to zero success on the

field. Fans wanted Bruce out of the building. They still do. You know, hashtag fire Bruce Allen. That didn't happen. But while Dan didn't fire Bruce Allen, he's firing him up, pushing him to give the business of the Redskins a jolt, pushing him to understand that his business, Dan's business, the Redskins are hemorrhaging, and they need the bleeding to stop. It needs a transfusion. This organization does. It certainly needs oxygen. The air's been popped, the balloon's been pop, the air's been out of this franchise for a while. The Landon Collins deal and the attempts to get involved in Antonio Brown and yesterday CJ Mosley at one point, who signed with the Jets, has Dan Snyder's fingerprints all over it.

Josh Rosen or a quarterback in the first round will have Dan's fingerprints all over it. We can debate as to whether or not it's a good thing or a bad thing, but make no mistake. This offseason right now is different. It's different. The Landon Collins deal made it different. I still believe that the only answer, personally, is to start over from scratch with a new GM, senior VP of football operations, a new coaching staff, et cetera. Take all the pain with Alex Smith in 2019, the blow-it-up option, the nuclear option. I'm still in favor of that. I think that would have been the right way to go. I don't know if Dan could have found a quality person to run the organization, but I know the group they have now isn't going

to win a Super Bowl. And I would have started from scratch and I would have drafted and I would have traded players that have value for more draft choices and I would have gone in that direction. I would have looked for my quarterback of the future and maybe I would have looked for my safety, my defensive captain of the future too. I'm not saying that going in that direction would have prevented me from thinking about Landon Collins. I probably would have not thought about 84 million for six years though. I don't think they're close to anything meaningful right now. they do. With this group of a bad team president, a bad personnel group, an average coaching staff, and a depleted roster, I just think even with Landon Collins, it equals another

non-playoff season next year. I would have started it over, but that's me. They're not doing it. So we talk about what they are doing. All right? And the signing of Landing Collins, to me, more than anything else, is an indication that Dan Snyder is pushing Bruce and Eric and Doug to be more relevant here in the offseason to give the franchise a jolt. Again, we can argue as to whether or not Landing Collins is a jolt. Antonio Brown would have been a jolt. Landing Collins, in my view, not much of a jolt to the fans. Those that have checked out aren't checking back in because of landing Collins. They're not. All right. The player, Landing Collins, he's a baller. I'm not sure, and I said this the day that the Giants it was reported they weren't going to franchise him. I'm

sure why the Giants got rid of him. I'm not sure why they got rid of Olivier Vernon over the weekend. You know, Landon Collins flat out is a massive talent at the position. He's the best safety talent they've had on the roster since Sean Taylor, not debatable. In the box safety, out of the box safety, who cares? He is a blue chip player. Bruce Allen's comments last week at the Combine, week and a half ago, whatever it was, he mentioned and he used the word, or the two words together, blue chip. Just so you know, this could be a bit of a reach.

This is the way Cooley has described players, blue chips, red chips, white chips. He's had conversations with Dan Snyder about the lack of blue chip players. There just aren't many of them. On the team, Trent Williams is a blue chip player. Who else is a blue chip player on their team? on their team in recent years. John Allen might be. Duran Payne might be. But they haven't had enough

great players. Bruce Allen used that term blue chip. I think that probably came from the owner. It might be a bit of a reach. And if it came from the owner, it probably originated with one Chris Cooley. And that might be a reach. I may just be trying to give a friend more credit than he deserves. But we've never heard Bruce Allen use that comment, Blue Chip. This is what they're trying to do. They were not going to put up. Dan was not going to put up with great deals on subpar or average players anymore. He would rather overplay for a great player. It's time to get some blue chip players onto the roster. Collins is blue chip. He's a hitter. He's a tackler. He's fine in coverage. I've read all the stuff about him not being a cover safety. He's fine in coverage. Is he better

close to the line of scrimmage? Yes. But he's not terrible, as some of you have said, in He'll ask DeAngelo Hall about that. He's 25. He's durable. He's smart. He's a locker room team leader. He's an excellent talent and player. The only thing that this deal has in common with Bruce's other deals during free agency over the years is they are getting him at the perfect age. His best football should be the next three to five years. It should be. That's a good thing. They're not, They didn't pay Landon Collins the biggest safety contract in NFL history, at least based on a per year average topping Eric Barry's deal. They didn't pay him at 29 years old.

They're paying him at 25 coming off his rookie deal. There's a lot of other things about this deal. Where does it leave this team with respect to safety? I'm going to talk to DeAngelo Hall about that too, but I don't think resigning, ha-ha Clinton Dix is out of the question. By the time you hear this, it might be. Maybe they've released him. Maybe they've done something else at safety.

But I think that they think Ha Ha, ha, Clinton Dix, isn't a great tackler, which Landon Collins is, but can cover. I've been a fan of Monta Nicholson. I have no idea what his current status is. Monta Nicholson, to me, has talent. You know, I don't know if he's not coachable, bad guy, is going to get in trouble too much, what the situation at one Loudon from the fight that he got into where that is right now, but Monta Nicholson would fit with Landon Collins. The two of them, I think, would fit together. I'll ask Dee Hall about that too when he comes on. But I think that Haha Clinton Dix is still in

play. I think that that is without a question still in play. Here's another thing about this deal. It's clear that the Redskins, while they were, will claim, you know, they're great at evaluating players. And, well, we came up with that Redskins grade. We've heard that over the years. It makes me want to vomit when I hear, oh, no, no, no, no, we all talked, we all got together and we gave him a Redskins grade. Well, all that's meant over the years is six or seven wins, all right? I mean, it's just not, it's not equating to anything great. So when you, when you imply, and you stick your chest out, and you talk about this consensus building process that results in a Redskins grade,

and you're chesty about it. It'd be one thing if that Redskins grade turned into greatness and success on the field, but it hasn't. But the Alabama comfort level, the Redskins really, okay, so let's name them, all right, John Allen, Duran Payne, Ryan Anderson, Ha Ha Clinton Dix, and now you have Landon Collins defensively. Am I missing anybody? That's five on defense.

Payne, Allen, Anderson, oh, Sean Dionne Hamilton, Ha Ha, Ha, Clinton Dix, and Landon Collins. If Haja Clinton Dix remains on this roster, that's six Alabama defensive players. They tried to sign CJ Mosley. That would have been a seventh, and I would have been in favor of CJ Mosley. I like Zedarius Smith.

He ended up signing with the Packers, I think. Yes. Zadari Smith did. He was one of the players that I really thought would fit in well with this particular team. Packers also got Preston Smith. And Preston Smith has signed with the Packers if you miss that for $11 million a year. I'm sorry, $13 million a year. $13 million a year for Preston Smith, which is a hell of a deal. And the Redskins must have seen that coming. They need more than landing Collins. But the comfort with the Alabama player is not a bad default. You know, I mean, if you're not truly deep down confident, outwardly you're confident in your ability to evaluate players, but deep down you feel a little bit of insecurity about your consistent failure in evaluating players consistently. There's nothing wrong with just going the Bama route.

You know, I saw people tweeting yesterday about they're basically just teeing up the team for Nick Sabin next year. Nick Sabin isn't going to work for the Redskins. I mean, if that were to happen, I would bet so much money now, right now today that Nick Saban will never be the head coach for the Washington Redskins. If you're Nick Saban and you want to coach in the NFL, don't you think you'll have better options, better places than this organization? Come on, he's coming from Alabama. He's coming from first rate.

He's coming from first class. The only move he will make into the NFL will be another first-class situation. He's not going to work for Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen? Just because they are drafting all of these Alabama players and trying to sign and signing Alabama players doesn't mean Nick Sabin's coming here. It would be the biggest shock of all time. And if it happened, it would be a money grab. It would be because they set the new market.

They took John Gruden's own. Oakland deal and doubled it. But I can't even see that. He doesn't need the money at this point in his life. He may want the challenge of the NFL again, but if he does it, he's going to do it in a first-rate place, coming from a first-rate place. He will have that choice. It's not going to be that, oh, the Redskins are the only NFL team interested in me. That's insane. But back to the Alabama thing, you know, they've done it a little bit with Virginia Tech players, too, over the years, you know, with Bud Foster coached players. Bud Foster is one of the best defensive coordinators in the history of college football, and they, you know, they've taken, you know, settle and Stroman. And, you know, a few years ago, the sixth rounder that got hurt from Virginia Tech, whose name escapes me right now, and somebody will be screaming it right now.

Kaishan Jared. That's who it was. So stop screaming. I got it. Kaishan Jared. And then Adonis Alexander, their supplemental pick is Virginia Tech. So they've gone with, you know, Bud Foster players and Nick Saban defensive players. Not a bad strategy. I'm not knocking it. Who knows what they'll be like as pros, but so far, so good, right? I mean, Duran Payne can play. John Allen can play. The jury's still out a little bit on Ryan Anderson. I really like Sean Dionne Hamilton. I think he can play inside. You know, ha ha, Clinton Dix, we'll see what they do. with him. I think he's still in play for them. They wanted C.J. Mosley

probably because well, C.J. Mosley is a Bama player. I forgot to mention Ruben Foster, of course, who's also on the roster as well. So that would be a potential seventh Alabama player depending on his availability. So it's

not a bad way to go. And I think it does speak a little bit to perhaps a deep-seated insecurity over their own ability to evaluate. There's a comfort level with that. It's a lot easier once you start to go down that path

and you've got these players in your locker room to go to these players and get true due diligence, honest due diligence on these players. John Allen's a quality person. I can promise you that they have talked to the John Allen's and the Duran Pains of the world to ask about these players, including as they did, I think, to a certain extent, with Sean Dionne Hamilton and Ryan Anderson about Ruben Foster. Remember, you know, it was Allen and Payne that didn't have much to say about helping, you know, Dan and Bruce and the team with Rubin Foster. But the players that were in the position group with Ruben Foster, Ryan Anderson and Sean Dionne Hamilton, I think did give them some feedback on the player. It's not a terrible way to go, is my point. But I do. But I do. think it does speak on some level to a slight insecurity over their own ability to really evaluate. Look, they need a pass rusher. That's what's got to come next. I like the emphasis

on defense. I do. It wasn't a good defensive team last year at the end of the year. Let's not forget that. And remember, the injuries weren't to the defense. Quentin Dunbar was missing. Monta Nicholson missing. But Monta Nicholson wasn't going to play anyway. they made the trade for Haha Clinton Dix. I mean, most of the injuries to this team, and they were decimated by injuries, true. All right, that's a fact. But they were on the offensive side of the ball. The defense was improved last year, but it wasn't a good defense.

It can get a lot better. And I like the emphasis on defense. Again, the blow-it-up option for me is number one, but that's not in play. They're not doing that. So now we go day by day and we look at what they're doing, and I would say to you, I like the emphasis defensively. They have to get a pass rusher. And my fear is that in the draft, they will have the potential to get a pass rusher,

but they may take a player at quarterback that's lower rated on their board for the purposes of splash. If Montez Sweat is there at 15, I am all in on Montez Sweat. They need a true edge pass rusher. They need more pass rush. As good as Landon Collins is, you need pass rush first. We had this conversation the other day. That's what they need. That's where their emphasis should be.

They still have other needs. They need a guard. They need a wide receiver. They need a starting quarterback, you know, unless you're a big believer in case of Keenham or Colt McCoy. I still think they're going to move on the quarterback. I still think it's Rosen or somebody drafted in the first two rounds. I do not think they're done at quarterback.

They could still use a quarterback. a corner or two, another safety. They have a lot of needs. But Landon Collins is an exceptional talent and player. He can't hurt. He can only help no matter what the organization is like and no matter how many times in the way, way past, these things didn't turn out.

They got a young player in elite talent and the personality of the player is first rate. So on all of those fronts, it's good. I haven't mentioned the money. I'm going to get into that more with J.I. Hallsell. But I thought it was pricey. $14 million a year. I didn't see it coming.

I thought it was an $11 to $12 million deal. That's what I thought Landon Collins would get. And I suggested as part of my free agency plan, Landon Collins at 4 for 44 or 5 for 55, somewhere in the neighborhood of $11 million a year. I obviously, with my offer, would have been out. I think, I mean, I'm assuming other teams were potentially going to pay him north of 11 million. The Redskins ended up at 14 per year.

Now, you know, these deals, we've talked about this for years now. You've got to look at the guaranteed money. That's the only part of the deal that matters. And we'll get into that in more detail with J.I. Hallsell. But it was a steep price to pay for a safety. It was. I'm not going to disagree with those of you who say it was a lot of money. But you know what? I would rather personally in approaching this, if they're going to approach this,

like they're going to really try to make 2019 the best they can possibly make it, or 2020, the best they can possibly make it, and they're not going to use the blow-up option, or they're not going to consider it, I would at this point, I'd much rather give Landon Collins a few more bucks than spread it out over a bunch of average to sub-average players. I would. We've seen that game from Bruce. It doesn't work. I would rather overpay for Landon Collins at this point, given his age, given the type of person he is, and the kind of locker room guy he will be, then spread it out over a bunch of Orlando Scandricks and Pernell McPhys and Deshawn Golds and Terrence Knightens and Chris Cullivers and Stephen Pius. I would much rather

overpay for Landon Collins, then have Kendall Reyes or somebody like Kendall Reyes be the first signing we hear about. And then realize, oh, they got four or five players, but none of them are good, but they got great deals on them. So I'm more in favor of this. All right, let's get to DeAngelo Hall right after I tell you about Window Nation. Window Nation has a really good deal going right now. Buy two windows, get two free. Buy four, get four free. Buy eight, at eight free, no minimum purchase. Get a house full of windows for just $69 a month. Remember, you're not going to pay anything right now. No down payment, no payments, no interest for 12 months. Wind donation is trying to keep their installers busy right now during a slow time of the year,

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free for every two you buy with no limit, nothing down, no payments, no interest if you prefer, for 12 full months. That's 86690 Nation or windonation.com and tell them that I sent you. All right, let's bring in DeAngelo Hall on the show. And today's a perfect day to have D. Hall on the show. The Landon Collins deal, get your reaction to that. Everything else, Redskins related as well. But let's start DeAngelo with Landon Collins. What did you make of the deal?

I mean, he's extremely good. You know, at the same time, he's a great player, but at the same time, he's not going to fix every element on this football team. He's not going to be able to help him score points. their defense made plays last year at times, but they didn't make every single play. Landon Collins isn't going to come in and save the day, but he is a great player and a great pickup for the Redskins. When I interviewed for the DB job, it's funny, Landon Collins was a name that popped up when I was talking about his secondary and how to improve it moving forward. You know, obviously having lost DJ Swaringer, having Monta Nichols kind of had an up-and-down season and not really knowing.

you know, what's going on with him. Landon Collins was definitely a guy that I had mentioned to this staff, like, you know, during my interview, like, hey, this is the guy I would love to see, you know, in this locker room and a part of his roster because he is a playmaker. You know, one of the things that's come out about him in the last 24 hours after the deal is there a lot of people are saying that Landon Collins isn't in-the-box safety, that that's where he thrives, that he is not good necessarily, or he's weaker on the back end.

I mean, evaluate him, his strengths, and his weaknesses, if you can. I think that's a pretty fair assessment. You know, if you asked him what he did great, I think he would tell you, oh, I love to tackle. I think that's evident in his shoulder. With that being said, he can cover. We're not saying because he's a better box safety that he's terrible in coverage. I'm just saying he simply excels when he's in the box

and he can be instinctive and kind of play those underneath zones as a guy with his eyes on the quarterback to go make a play. You know, obviously, man-to-man, you know, every safety kind of struggles with that, every corner struggles with that in certain situations. And so, you know, obviously he's going to do better at some of the things that fits his body type and what he does well.

But like I said, he's still, you know, he's a great blitzer from his safety position. I think that's something that a lot of people don't really take notice of. But, I mean, you know, the guy's been, you know, a kid who I've watched play since his head since college. But I've been a fan of him, you know, he plays the game the right way. And, you know, especially with the departure of a guy like DJ Swinger, Landon College is going to fit right in in that locker room as a leader of men, definitely a leader in that secondary.

And, you know, he wore their captain's seat in a lot of. in New York for a long time. So, you know, being a young player, you know, I think it means that guys respect him and that he knows how to lead the right way. You open this by saying he's a really good player, but he's not going to be the answer to everything. I'm paraphrasing there.

You know, the safety position has never led anybody to a Super Bowl. I mean, Ed Reed had, you know, he had Ray Ray, and he had Suggs, and he had a pass rush, a dominant pass rush in front of him, as great of a player as he is. Speak to what you think. Go ahead. Well, Kevin, I started with that because fans love this deal. I love this deal.

You know, I have to put my G&Had on those. I love this deal for the right price. And like I said, you know, I haven't broken down the numbers. I don't, you know, I've heard it cap-friendly. I don't know how, you know, six years, 84 million could be cap-friendly, but I'm interested in what those numbers look like. But I just felt like this team wasn't a safety away. We're not a quarterback away.

You know, obviously the issues they had in the secondary last year, we all know how I felt about Josh and Omaha. I love them, but I wanted to make more plays. Dunbar was heard at the corner position. Fabian Monroe was learning a new nickel position, so I felt like you probably could have brought in another corner to kind of compete with all of those guys. you know, like I said, at safety, you're obviously limited at safety.

You bring in Landon Collins, so I thought you just could have got at a better price because the safety market last year wasn't very, you know, people, you know, they weren't paying safety. Eric Reed was a Pro Bowl caliber safety, and he sat on the, you know, obviously he had some other things going on, but, you know, he settled around forever. Trey Boston and a couple other guys, Kenny McAarwell,

there was a lot of safety that were really good. players that sat for a long time in free agency. So, you know, to spend that kind of money, obviously the Redskins thought that this was, you know, a key piece to their defense moving forward. I just feel like, you know, not knowing what Zach Brown situation is going to be because he was bent, you know, having Ruben Foster, obviously I think your front's good, but, you know, the offensive line has some concerns, you need some receipts. I just thought in free agency to spend some money, I would have tried to help.

you know, the unit who I felt like was struggling the most, and to me that was the offense. You know, it's funny the way you said that. You don't know how a six-year $84 million deal for a safety could be cap-friendly, and they'll pull off, you know, they'll figure out a way to make it work. Apparently it's $32 million in actual true guaranteed money. But, you know, there's something else at work here, and I want to get your thoughts on this. I have during the off-season here said that, given the hit to revenue, to the fan base, the erosion of the fan base, which we all admit has happened, you know, to what level everybody can debate on. But we saw it last year more than in any other year. And my impression was that for, you know, that this particular year, Dan was not going to sit

back, that we weren't going to have another offseason of Stephen Paya and Pernell McPhee and Terrell Pryor that he would, that there was going to be a splashier off season, that the business of the Redskins needed that. And, you know, Bruce's off-season, especially early in free agency, have been pretty boring, you know, compared to what it was, you know, when, before Bruce got here. Do you think that's, do you agree with any of that? Well, I wouldn't agree with it's been boring. It's been kind of what they thought they needed. You know, for the most part, it's been a sit-and-wait. That's why they were able to get D.J. We sat and waited. We didn't spend money. And D. Jack kind of came.

available with Josh. We didn't go out of spend money. We waited and later in free agency. We found, well, not late, but later in free agency, they removed a franchise tag. Right. He became available. And so, you know, I don't know if it's good or not good

to jump at the first thing you see, but if that's what you thought you needed, then absolutely you jump at it. Like I said, I didn't know if that was the position of me, per se, for that amount of money. but, you know, I sound like a hater, but I'm just, I'm a loyal fan with my GM head on trying to figure out,

man, how else can we get this team better? I'm not knocking Landon Collins because he is a hell of a player, and I damn sure want him on my team, but like I said, for the right price, if this, you know, just take, you know, Landon Collins average right now is what, about $14, $14 million,

all right, if Landon signed a deal for $6, or not $6, I'm sorry, if he signed a deal for more rounding lines of $8 million, which I thought, you know, was pretty around the number of safeties were getting. That's $6 million you can go spend on a guard, you know, a guard that you need that you don't put so much pressure on yourself in the draft process to grab a guy because we don't have anybody for that position. And so it was just about, man, we could marry two salaries a little lower and come up

with that same number and, you know, almost like moneyball. And still have a really, really good football player at that position. You know, like I said, I didn't sit into their meetings. I'm not in their front office. I don't know where they felt like, you know, they needed to make the biggest move. But obviously, I think it's shown by bringing in a guy like Landon Collins that they really felt like the state position was one.

They wanted to upgrade and what better guy than a 25-year-old three-time pro-vover. So it sounds like to me what you're saying is you love the player. He obviously does fill a need. He's not going to turn him into a Super Bowl contender, but your major issue is that the money just seems to you to be too high. Yeah, yeah. I mean, for me, I felt like the safety position was, you know, take a guy like DJ Swinds, the amount of impact you got from him last year.

And even a year before, you know, we all said he was playing at a Pro Bowl caliber level. and I want to say his cap hit was around $4 million. And so now you jump that number up, and you get similar production. Obviously, Landon Collins is a better player, but you get similar production, similar leadership. Obviously, you don't get the extra stuff in the media and things like that. But you pay this guy about $13, $12 to $14 million. And so, you know, to me I felt like you had so many other glen needs,

especially on that offensive line. that, you know, you really need two safeties. And so to go out and spend that kind of money on one position, you know, for a football team who already has, you know, 20, 25, 28 million tied up in a quarterback who's not going to play, you know, I'm interested to see how this roster kind of evolves because, you know, I felt like if you could have got Landon Collins for more of a $9, you know, $8 million range,

you still could have spent more money. on other positions because, you know, you add another $5, $6 million to that. That's a starting guard. That's a starting center, you know, moving forward. And that gets that offensive line just a little bit better for whoever the quarterback is, you know, until either Alex gets back or until they figure out long-term what they want to do. But, you know, when the Giants didn't franchise him at a little bit north of $11 million, I was actually surprised.

But I thought he would get a deal. I think the 8 to 9 would have been a reach. I thought he was going to get a deal that would have averaged around 11 or so, but 14 certainly came in high. I agree with you on that. Real quickly, on the other safety, do you think they'll try to resign Haha Clinton Dix? What did you think of his performance?

And would they play well together, given each other's strengths? You know, that's the question. Did they do this to try to lure Haha back for a little less money and say, hey, you know, team up with Landon Collins, or are they washing their hands? He played okay. I think they were expecting him to make more last plays. And sometimes at the state of position,

that's why even giving this kind of money is a little strange because sometimes it's a state of position, you can be in great position and still really not be able to make plays or impact the game. Will Landon Collins make plays because he can tackle and he'll be near the line of screaming sometimes, absolutely. He'll help out in the run game, but for the most part, the safety position doesn't afford you a lot of opportunities most of the time,

and especially in Greg Mencki's defense, it's not going to necessarily give him an opportunity to have numbers that would jump off the page, you know, kind of along the lines with DJ's foreign numbers were, which was still Pro Bowl-Calibre numbers, but you hear of DJ mentioned several times how he wanted to do. he blips a little more off the edge, or he wanted, you know, to bring his nickels off the edge. His defense really doesn't do a lot of that.

And so I'm interested to see if they will adjust because they know they have a great player in Landon-Colin and try to get him more action around the ball. But, you know, I don't think they were super impressed with Ha-ha. You know, I thought he was a good player, but he didn't come across as a great player in this system because it asked him to do a lot of different things that he wasn't used to,

and at Green Bay didn't ask him to be. In Green Bay, he got to sit in the middle of the field and make plays and diagnose things and decide as a football player where he needed to go to give help. This defense was a lot more structured and chalkboard and real wordy and a lot of checks, and it didn't allow him to just go out there and play fast and really become the playmaker that we all know he is.

They tried to replace Greg Minusky in the offseason. There's no doubt about that. I mean, Todd Bowles, Greg Williams, et cetera, were all contemplated by the ownership and the head coach here in the offseason. You think they were disappointed that Todd Bowles wasn't interested or Greg Williams wasn't interested in taking that job? You know, I don't know if they were disappointed. And, you know, I actually, when I interviewed for the DD job, I interviewed with Greg Meneski in the room. So he was the coordinator. I didn't hear a lot about some of the other names that were kind of thrown around as a coordinator or who interviewed,

but I did kind of hear a story that Mencki set in those meetings. So I don't know how much of a real interviewer was or if it was a, hey, can we pick your brain? You know, I don't know. And I don't know how that's out of the business works. But it was definitely a little strange of a situation to interview a guy who, replacing you, but you're sitting in the interview. Yeah, I think they definitely wanted to make a change. But, you know, like I said, you know, the uncertainty surrounding the second day,

the uncertainty around the quarterback position, not knowing that Jay's going to be here a long time. Right. It's hard for a real, you know, you know, I don't, I'm trying to. No, I know what you're saying. I mean. It's hard for a top. not, and I'm not saying Menzky's not a top-knock coordinator because I feel like he is,

but it's hard for a free agent top-knots coordinator. You pick up and move his family for potentially one year. That was the problem that we ran into when I was on this team, and we had Joe Barry, and we fired Joe Barry, and then we started interviewing coordinators, and no one really wanted the job because they felt like, oh, you know, is Jay a dead man walking? Is he going to be here longer than a year or two? I don't really want to move my family across the country. And, you know, the staffs fired in a year or two.

And so, you know, Manetti, who was already on the staff, was able to kind of ease in and had coordinator experience, you know, experience over the years. Him and Jay, I guess, had a relationship at some point, so they kind of knew each other and was comfortable working with each other. And so it was a tough job just for anyone to take. And so Mencki was the right guy. and even moving forward, you know, having guys like

Wade Horton on his staff who has a ton of coordinator and Zodd Ryan, who I played for in Oakland, has a ton of coordinator in Spring. Even young D.D. coach James Rowe, he's one of the smartest football minds I've been around, very similar to Aubrey Pleasant out in L.A. with the Rams and Sean McVeigh, when you talk about just understanding the game, this is the guy who played quarterback

in high school was a college baseball player, was the first on the offensive side of the ball, and then came over the defense. So they have some really, really smart coaches that I think are going to be able to put these guys in position to make a whole lot of plays. And, you know, I think landing the benefit from that, I just, as a fan of this team,

I just want to pick every hole, not just one. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, I think your point about the coaches. No, I think your point about the coaches is a good one. If you're looking for a new job, you want the feeling that there's some stability there. And right now, from the outside looking in for sure, you wouldn't say that the stability is there because you're not sure what will happen at the end of 2019. I wanted to ask you about Josh Norman and the corner situation.

Actually, real quickly, if it's not Ha Ha Clinton Dix, Montaigne-Nicholson always struck me, DeAngelo as a talent. I don't know what he is as, you know, whether or not they can count on him and if he's going to continue to get in trouble and all that, but a real rangey, you know, talent. Do you agree with that? And do you think there's still a spot for him?

And do they like him? Kevin, I totally 100% agree. If I would have got this job, Monta Nichols was going to somehow, he was going to find the way to play to me because watching the way that kid can impact the football game. It's not a lot of guys who have the ability he has.

With that being said, I don't know about some of the off-the-field stuff. I don't know kind of what transpired. I wasn't in that locker room, so I really don't know. I briefed out for him and, you know, checked up on him just more personal. But I don't know really what he's going through, but he's a heck of a player. And so, yes, I thought with my departure, he was going to jump right in and be the guy opposite to DJ, and they were going to have a great safety tandem. And so when the Ha-ha trade happened, I'm asking guys,

hey, do they act like Monti or Monse kind of hurt a little bit? And, you know, we just, you know, we want a guy a little bit more consistent. And so I didn't know what to think of that. But obviously, if you trade for a guy like Ha-ha, who's a Pro Bowl caliber player, obviously the other guy's not playing. You're not going to split time. And so maybe they're not 100% sold on Mante. But it is another safety spot open out there, and that's going to be either Monta's spot.

That's going to be the state of Everett. That's going to be, heck, I would even like love to see Adonis. Alexander maybe even see if he could possibly save the safety position because he looks a big guy. That's why I don't mind taking big corners either in draft or in free agency. Well, maybe not free agency, but definitely in the draft because even if I can't play him that corner he has to have some type of man's skill ability to go down and cover tight ends and back and I could always make him a safety if he can tackle and so I mean hey Adonis is

bigger than most safety than the lead so you know I think they have some options at that other safety position I'm just interested to see kind of what they're thinking and what they do I just thought I think Monta when he's so noticeable when he's out there with his closing speed his range and if he if he's know, if he's got his act together, you know, and he can stay healthy, he seems like he'd be the perfect safety to play with Landon Collins. Real quickly on Josh. Yeah. On Josh Norman.

You know, this is a debate the fans have had. You know, was he worth the deal? Is he a better, you know, zone corner than man corner? Would you keep Josh Norman? You know, there's a significant cap savings if you release him. It's in the $8 million range if you release him. I'm sure they've even talked potential restructure with him. Just give me a minute on Josh Norman and his future here.

Like, what do you see? I mean, I would definitely, you know, if I'm a GM here, I'm definitely trying to sit Josh down and just get him to see the big picture of what we need on this team to be successful. And I'm trying to really keep him around for his leadership. He's been a part of this organization in this community. And so, you know, he's a guy who a lot of guys now. locker room look up to and he can still play but at the same time you know I don't

know if we're getting 14 or 15 whatever that cap hit is type of production from him and with that being said just like with anybody else because I've been in this league if they feel like you aren't playing up to your uh salary they always come at before restructuring so that's definitely a conversation I would probably like to have But like I said, that's what my G-N had on. As a fan and a buddy of Josh's, man, you know, that's the contract they signed. They either got to live with it or cut the man. So, you know, I think you can help them, yes.

But like I said, you know, for the salary versus the production you're getting, you know, you would like to see more. But, you know, it's a tough subject. but, you know, as a conversation, I think they're going to have to see what they need to do to get better as an organization, what moves they need to make. If you don't bring Josh back, then what are you going to do at corner? Yeah, exactly. You have to find a guy, whether you try to find a guy in free agency, which I don't know who's available, would you try to draft the guy? But like I said, at what pick would you get them?

Are you thinking with the first round there, but then are you thinking about trying to go old linemen there? So it's so many factors. and who knows right now if the rock is going to be the same it's going to be when training can't start. You know, it's so many other variables that they're probably waiting to see kind of what's going on with this guy, that guy. Can we get a trade? Can we get a restructure?

Can we re-work this? And, you know, it's so many little things that go into some of these deals, man, that, you know, who knows what could happen or what's going to happen. I know you've got to run here. And I appreciate the time. I know this wasn't easy this morning. You got shit going on there. But have you looked at any of the college corners coming out that are potential first-rounders?

I'm just curious if you watched Greedy Williams or the kid from Georgia Baker, and if you like any of them. Because it's possible one of them will be available at 15. Yeah, yeah, I actually haven't. I feel bad about it. That's all right. I've just been doing so much other stuff. Well, what are you doing?

What are you doing? Why didn't you get the job? You interviewed for the DB's job. Why didn't you get it? Yeah, yeah. Like I said, they wanted to go with a guy with a little more coordinate these things. And I totally understood that. You know, I appreciated the opportunity.

I think those guys, because that was the first time going through that type of a process. And it is a little different. It is a little nerve-wracking and frustrating some time to time. But I had a blast. You know, at some point I will be coaching. You know, when that happens, who knows? You know, I enjoyed doing the TV thing last year. I think I'd do maybe a little bit of that nationally like I've been doing.

But, you know, I probably won't do any pre-and-post game or anything like that. I probably stayed as far away from the real scenes as possible and just kind of sit back and just watch what, you know, what kind of takes place. So I'm not so close whether, you know, when I do decide to get into that coach's well I would think you've got options you're very good on TV you're just you're a great communicator and I've mentioned that to you in the past so you've got a lot of options and I wish you the best I'm sorry it didn't work out with the Redskins but stay at it man you've got you know you've got a high IQ when it comes to this game and and you can communicate I would imagine

that you'd make a hell of a coach for somebody at some point I appreciate it thanks Kevin all right DeAngelo thanks so much talk to you soon All right. Thanks to D. Hall for jumping on with us. It wasn't the easiest thing for him. He was in the middle of doing something, but he was nice enough to give us time. Didn't have the greatest of phone connections the entire time, but that was because I needed him now, and he was nice enough to do it now rather than later on. We'll get to J.I. Hallsell here in a moment. First, a quick word about Ferris Chrysler Dodge Jeep in Fairfax. They should be on your list if you're considering something new. Go to Farish Cars.com right now. You can see their live inventory and their best deals on a very easy to navigate website, Farishcars.com. Now, if you head out to Farish and Fairfax, ask for Ralph Berkins. Ralph is a good friend of mine.

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Again, Farish Cars.com, live inventory, live pricing, best deals you can find right now by going to Farish Cars.com. If you head out to Farish, ask for Ralph. He will take good care of you. All right, let's bring in Jay I Hallsell, who is a good friend. We had him on the show last week. J.I. is a former NFL agent, worked for the Redskins, and they're salary cap, you know, group with Eric Schaefer, et cetera.

Nobody knows how to make a contract work when it's a big contract to work for a specific year with a specific team better than Jay I does because this was, and I want you to explain the Landon Collins deal in detail, but it's almost as if, you know, Eric Schaefer took a few years off from these big, massive deals and trying to work them under the cap and make it a little bit more team friendly. and now, you know, after yesterday, he's back at it. I'll start with this question before we get to the overall contract and how it's structured. Do you think Landon Collins got too much money?

Well, if he had multiple suitors, then it would seem that this is the right value for him. You know, I think everyone was kind of wondering what the safety market would look like this year, given that it didn't pay very well last year, also coupled with the fact that you had a lot of safeties on the market this year. But between Landon, between Tyler and Matthew, and you still have to see what Earl Thomas does, it seems like these guys are making money and Adrian Amos to assigns with the Packers this morning as well. So I think it's the right, I think it's the right dollar amount for Landon Collins, given what the market is dictating. Interesting. I, when we talked last week, you know,

I was thinking, you know, he'd come in right around the franchise tag deal, four for 44, 5, 55, 11 million. I thought it was higher than anticipated. But to your point, you never know until you get into this thing, and there are multiple teams potentially, you know, bidding on said player. You don't know where that money will go to. I just had DeAngelo Hall on the show, and DeAngelo felt like it was a lot of money,

like almost too much for the position. He loves the player, but thought that it was at $14 million a year on average. And we look at those averages and we look at 84 over six years. And we don't know how exactly it's structured. That's what I want to get to next. But it seems like it went higher than what it would have, especially with a crowded safety market. Now, all right.

Yeah, but real quick. Think about it, though. Like Trent Brown is the highest paid left tackle in football now. I know. It's crazy. We see this in free agency, like unrestricted free. agency is truly an auction. And when players like Trent Brown are getting $17 million per year, it goes to show that the

value of these deals isn't really based upon necessarily the talent of the player. It's really just based upon the market dynamics. And so that's how you end up with Elin Collins at $14 million. Well, Preston Smith just got $13 million a year. You know, based on the overall aggregate value of the deal of four years, $52 million. I mean, I don't know that anybody saw Preston Smith getting 13 a year. So that goes to your point. All right, break down the land in Collins' contract the way the Redskins have structured it

and why they structured it the way they did. You know, going off of what Aaron Wilson has reported in terms of kind of the details and the structure of the deal, I think many out there would be surprised to hear that a deal of this magnitude only carries a $4 million cap number in 2019. And you're like, how did they do that? And it's because in 2019, the only thing is counting against the salary cap are his $1 million base salary and $3 million of signing bonus proration, meaning he got a $15 million

signing bonus. It prorates over five years. It can't pro rate over the six years of the entirety of the deal because of CBA rules. And so when you divide $15 million, by five, you get $3 million. And so $3 million plus the $1 million of salary counts. as $4 million against your cap. And so this year, the number is really low. So it gives them flexibility to continue to, you know,

make any other potential unrestricted free agent signing. Also, they have to do their draft class. But then as we move further into the contract, the cap numbers increased significantly where, on average, over the remaining five years of the deal, the cap number is right around $15.5 million per year. So this year is really the only year they get a cap savings, if you will.

Another thing that we have to look at with these deals, and it's any of these deals, not just landing columns, is, you know, how are the guarantee structured? When can the Redskins get out of the deal? And again, just basing upon, you know, what Aaron Wilson had reported on the structuring of the deal, if the Redskins wanted to get out of this deal after 2019, what would they have paid land and college? Well, they would have to do it before the 50th day of the 2020. league year because that's when his option bonus is earned.

And so they would have paid him to $1 million this year. They would have paid him this $15 million signing bonus. And then he has $10 million next year that's already truly guaranteed. So can't really get out of that after one year because you would have paid him $26 million for one year. And then the way the rest of the guarantee is structured, he really will see $44.5 guaranteed because to cut him after year one, you're not going to pay him $26 million for one year.

After year two, you would have paid him $26 plus the $6 million option bonus that's $32 million. So theoretically you could get out after two years, and you would have paid him $16 million per year. So that's probably the first opportunity to get out of this deal before 2021 salary becomes guaranteed for a skill injury and cap. So that's how the Redskins have structured this deal. All right.

Well, you know what's always funny when I've had these conversations with you in the past or guys like Joel Corey in the past. And you guys always think about it. And I know why. I mean, because if it isn't the player you thought it was, how much pain do you have to suffer on the back end? And you always talk about, you know, when's the first opportunity to get out? You know, as you're throwing all of this money at a player that you think is

elite. I mean, clearly, you know, if Landon Collins were to be here for just two seasons and then exit, despite the ability of the team to minimize the pain on the back end, it would have been a disastrous deal, right, to bring him in for just two years. He's here for three, which basically what you're saying is guarantees him that 44 and a half to 45 million, as long as he plays here for three years. Exactly. And you see this just with three agency. When we saw the wave of players being released last week, all those guys were part of the 2016 and 2017 are restricted three agency classes, meaning all of those guys had spent two to three years with their teams before their teams terminated those contracts. Right. All right. I think

we understand that. The opportunity for this deal came with the ability for them to really minimize the 2019 cap hit. But in 2020, you're still going to have Alex Smith on the books if he's not your quarterback for, you know, somewhere in the neighborhood of, you know, it's going to be another close to $20 million cap number right in 2020 for Smith. And so that's when the Collins number starts to grow at somewhere around $15 million on your cap. What will be $14.2 in 2020? Okay, 14.2. Real quickly. Two more things, and then I'll let you run. Number one, do you think they'll be successful in trying to trade Zach Brown and or Mason Foster?

They're only, if they are successful, they're only going to get a day three pick, and it's probably a late day free pick. Again, using Deshawn Jackson as a little bit of a barometer, he went for a six-round pick, and I would say that those guys are on par, if not a little bit lower than Deshawn Jackson in terms of the importance around the league. So you're looking at probably around six, round seven pick. Lastly, they were apparently in on C.J. Mosley, who signed a deal with the Jets. You and I had this conversation last week.

You think there's a different mindset to this offseason for this organization than in recent years or not? No, I think, you know, when we talked about it last week, that was kind of what your antennas were telling you, and I would say that you were correct. The Landon Collins deal reminds us of the old pre-Brus Allen days. The cap manipulation done by Eric Schaefer reminds us of the pre-Bruce Allen days. But for all of those reasons we talked about last week in terms of a roting fan base, wanting to make a big splash, Brandon Collins does that.

Their reported pursuit of CJ Mosley confirms that to a certain degree. so yeah they're back to their old ways in some regard what's i lied i'm going to keep you for another one or two what's next what's next for them i mean we're sitting here you know as of now we're recording this so some of you are going to hear this potentially after a player um get signed or committed to being signed but right now what's your gut on what the redskins do next well first you've got to release those players that we talk about you can release them or trade them to give yourself a little more financial flexibility to maybe then go back to the Bruce Allen approach to free agency, which is let's go get somebody second tier guys after the first wave of free agency.

We made our big splash with Landon Collins, but now let's try to find a value edge player to play opposite of Ryan Kerrigan as an example. to find ourselves a value guard to help check off that need. So my sense is that they absolutely need to do the trade slash release of players, and then I think that they would go after some value on restricted free agents. Lastly, on the Antonio Brown thing, I just want to get your thoughts. I suggested yesterday that the Steelers would have been better off waiting, that to take that salary cap hell for a third and a fifth, you know, to essentially, you know, to forego this $2.5 million, you know,

costs that they were going to have a week from now, that they should have just paid that and waited until somebody was desperate. What do you think about how this whole Antonio Brown thing played out? They clearly were desperate to get rid of the distraction as soon as possible. because I think that there is, you know, rationally speaking, yeah, that approach that you just articulated makes a lot of sense. But just to have the ongoing distraction through your off-season program, they didn't want that. They obviously, any way you kind of looked at it, they were going to take on a significant dead money hit, whether it was going to be $21 million, it was going to be $23.5 million. it was going to be significant, but they just wanted to get rid of the distraction,

clearly, even if it meant just getting third and fifth in return for them. Have you ever seen a team screwed more than Antonio Brown and what happened to the Steelers here with this particular deal? To get a third and a fifth back for a $21 million accelerated salary cap hit in one season just seems brutal for the Steelers? I think there would have been a lot of teams that would have said either you're playing for us, that you're not playing for anyone unless we get the deal that we want. You can stay away from our facility during the off-season program.

We'll pay you to $2.5 million roster bonus. Yeah, I think there would have been other teams who would have kind of dug their heels in significantly more than the Steelers. To your point, they must have really gotten to the point where they just needed him out of their world. you know, just somewhere else, no distraction, because, you know, the owner sat down with them at some point. And they talked about, you know, reaching some sort of amicable, you know, conclusion. Amicable, this was, I called it yesterday, J.I., the most unique contract situation result that we've ever seen. We've never seen a team deal an elite player for hardly anything while also accepting salary cap hell. It's crazy the way it turned out.

Yeah, it was definitely very one-sided in how it turned out, and clearly the Steelers were comfortable with that. Again, I believe there would be a lot of other teams to have stuck their heels in a lot more firm than the Steelers. All right, hey, thanks for jumping on real quickly. Your explanation of the deal and all of your thoughts are always appreciated. I'll talk to you soon.

Hey, thank you again, man. All right, thanks again. to Jay for jumping on. $4 million cap hit in 2019 on the Collins deal. And then you start to get more significant numbers as it goes along 14.2 in 2020

and somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 million a year after that. And again, you know, 32 million of it's only truly guaranteed because they could get out after two years, but let's be practical about this. You know, he's not getting out they're not getting out of the Landon

Collins business in two years. You don't sign Landon Collins thinking, hey, he's going to be great force in 2019 and 2020. But when he's 27 years old, we're going to cut him loose so that we don't have to pay him another $13 million in guaranteed money. And in injury, the final year is guaranteed for injury. So for all intents and purposes, it is a deal that's guaranteeing him $44.5 million. I mean, you can, you know, you can go through all of the easy outs and the machinations of the Redskins protecting themselves on the back end if it doesn't work out, but you're not going into this kind of deal. You know, you go into a deal worrying about getting out of the back end on players that you don't, you know, that are closer to the end of their

career. If you're signing, you know, an Antonio Brown deal, you know, and restructure would have been, let's, you know, let's get all of this into the first few years, lower the cap number in the first year, make it big in year two and year three, but let's be able to get out of this without long-term pain after the third year. But Landon Collins, I mean, if you're going into the Landon Collins business, you're probably hoping, I would think, that you've got such a good player that this is the first of two deals with Landon Collins. Anyway, they aren't going to have to account for him in a major way in 2019, which is a painful year because of the Alex Smith contract for a quarterback that's not going to play for you in 2019. And in 2020, it's not going to be much easier either.

But they will be out of a couple of other businesses at that point or have the ability to get out of other contracts to lessen the cap in 2020. It's one of those. We'll worry about 2020 when we get there. We've got to fit them under 2019, and we've got to be able to sign more players here in 2019 as well. The cuts that are still to come are the ones we've always talked about, or we've been talking about. Stacey McGee, Vernon Davis, Zach Brown. They apparently are trying to trade Brown and or Foster. You know, bully on them if they get a seventh round pick or a sixth round pick back for Zach Brown or Mason Foster. You know, that would be, they've done that well in the last nine years.

Bruce is, you know, along with Mike initially, but they've done a pretty good job of getting something back that they can use for a player they don't want, that they're, you know, they're looking to take a cap savings route anyway. And if they can get the cap savings with Zach Brown and Mason Foster and get another pick or two, that would be really good work on their part. All right. I do expect, though, these cuts are coming. They're going to have to come, I think, at some point.

And the Zach Brown thing is really interesting. The fact that they were looking for C.J. Mosley, and they haven't released Mason Foster or Zach Brown yet, speaks to the fact that maybe one of them will survive here. I'd be surprised if it's Zach Brown. I have just heard that this is not a good fit for him with teammates, with coaches, etc. Personally, Zach Brown's one of the few players over the last couple of years that really flashed. You know, we've talked about over the last few years, team speed.

Clinton Portis said it yesterday. They need more team speed on their roster. And Zach Brown was team speed. Okay, he couldn't cover. But he could get after ball carriers and he could get after the quarterback. He had a legitimate speed. But apparently he's not a guy that they want in that locker room anymore. So I would be surprised if he is back.

I'd be less surprised if they keep Mason Foster. And the Foster cap savings is roughly in the $2.2 million range. So they could use it, but only if they are sure that they've got answers at inside linebacker. But pursuing CJ Mosley, if you believe the reports, is an admission that they want to move on from Brown and Foster. And they'd like their, they would have loved for their starting inside backers to be Mosley and Rubin Foster. or until Ruben Foster is ready, Mosley and Sean Dionne Hamilton is my guess. All right, real quickly, launch workplaces in Bethesda. If you're thinking about office space and you need office space because you're working from home and the kids are loud or the dogs bark too much, go to launchworkplaces.com.

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you're down there with Chad doing shows this week. Yeah, this is even less work than I normally do. I'm not even here for paper. I'm just doing radio today with Chad. All right, good. All right, your reaction to Landon Collins? You know, I don't know what to think. I mean, my impression is that this is not the kind of position that you invest a lot of money in in today's NFL.

And that would be my one caveat. It seems like they made a decent deal, at least in terms of I keep reading about the genius Eric Schaefer and the salary cap number he got for them next year is only $4 million. dollars. You know, but, you know, again, it's Redskins-like. I think he's a good player. The credentials say he's a good player. You know, he's a multi, you know, pro bowl player. But, I mean, to invest this amount of money in a safety in today's NFL, it doesn't

seem to make sense. I love the way you said that. Are people saying Eric Schaefer's a genius? No. Huh? Absolutely, absolutely genius. I mean, just... Who's saying that?

I haven't... Who is saying that? I'm just curious. Well, first of all, first of all, 1.067, the fans, Craig Hoffman. Oh, okay. I think Kine is another one. I think J.P. Finley is all the usual suspects.

Oh, my God. Look, I mean, he... And I just had J.I. on. there is, you know, there's a lot. Eric has been, with respect to needing to make a big contract work, you know, he's not as busy as he used to be, you know, 10 years ago. And he is good at that. And there are a lot of guys that are good at that. But here's what, whatever Eric Schaefer's genius is, it has not led to postseason success and not much regular season success either.

If we're going to call anybody in that organization a genius, let's just remember what their record is during that person's tenure. I know he's a bright guy. There are a lot of bright guys in this league that can handle contract stuff. The bottom line is that he, to me, Tommy, this entire deal is what I had been saying up until yesterday. I mean, yesterday's timing, I did a show yesterday where I said, you know what? I've been saying for a month and a half that Snyder was going to get back more involved. You know, the revenue hit was going to create, you know, some desperation, that he was going to push Bruce to make some splashy headlines here in the offseason.

And then yesterday, I was like, you know what, I have a feeling we might be on the verge of another boring Bruce off season. You know, with Stephen Pia and Orlando Scandrick and Deshaun Goldson is the big signings. in the off season because they didn't even make any cuts over the weekend. In fact, they still haven't, as of now, made any cuts. But I'm glad my big picture view of it. I think that this has Dan's fingerprints all over it. I think the fact that they were apparently, they were apparently in on Antonio Brown and C.J. Mosley, both of those things are indicators that there's a different mindset here in this off season. You know, I don't think it reeks of desperation because Landon Collins is a great player and he's a young player and he's a great guy according to everybody but this right now just

what they've been reported to be involved in and what they've actually executed on the Landon Collins deal this this is a different approach to this early part of free agency in the early part of the offseason yeah it is and and you know like like we've choked around before being frugal has not gotten them anywhere either right but So why not go back to the old ways? Why not go back to the big splash? At least Redskins fans are excited today. You know what?

And that's really where we should go with this. And that is how excited are they? I said in my open today that Dan's fingerprints are all over this offseason already, which is fine, you know, because they need splash. They need something they can market and sell. But what will it really produce in terms? terms of, you know, new ticket sales or new excitement or New Jersey. Like, no.

Antonio Brown would have moved the needle a little bit. I don't think Landon Collins does that. I think he's a really good player. I think he will help their team. But this, I think the erosion of the fan base and the distaste from so many in this organization, you know, a couple of big free agent signings, it's not going to change it that much. I agree 100% with you. The damage, to overcome the damage is done,

it's going to take more, a lot more, than even a terrific season of off-season acquisitions. I mean, they are long removed from one player moving the needle right now. But for now, for March, Redskins fans are excited. I don't think it'll translate to any more ticket sales, come September. Yeah, we agree on that. And I think what I'm not even sure that Dan Snyder would exaggerate the Landon Collins' impact on his business.

But to me, the fact that they were one of the three teams interested in Antonio Brown, they were in on C.J. Mosley. C.J. Mosley's not going to move the needle. But Antonio Brown would have. And you know who else would? A big-name quarterback, you know, whether it's a trade. for Josh Rosen or trade up to pick Drew Locke or Dwayne Haskins or Kyler Murray. You know, I would not be surprised if they have tried to figure out every possible way

to get into the Kyler Murray, you know, business. It probably won't happen. It probably can't happen. But it's, I think that this, these, he think, the one thing you can't say about Dan Snyder is that he thinks small. He's always thought big. while Bruce is more of a small-time thinker. Yeah, I mean, absolutely on that.

And, you know, I think that there will be, I think there's some simmering anger about that Redskin fans have temporary forgotten with the Landon-Collens deal, about the Case-Keon-Dill if there is not another component to the quarterback for the Redskins next year. If they don't draft a promising, quarterback or trade for Josh Rosen. Whatever perceived bump they would have gotten from any offseason acquisitions this year

will be just wiped out from the anger and disgust that Pace Keenham and Colt McCoy are the Redskins quarterbacks in September. All right. What else did I have for you? I did read that story on ESPN.com to sit down with Bryce Harper. Did you read that or not? Yes, I did. And here's what I can tell you.

That reporter never contacted the Nationals for their side of the story. So when... In other words, never, never called Mike Rizzo and asked him, it's what Scott Boris and Bryce Harper saying is true. Okay. Never did that. Which is, again, what he did was he, what his colleague Tom Frieducci did, what, you know, a lot of the Boris Minutes have done is just taking their story, hook, line, and sinker, and

gone with that. It's absolute truth. And it's false. It's wrong. Just so that the people who are listening understand what we're talking about, Bryce Harper in the story talked about that the Nats offer included 100 million or so in deferred money that he wouldn't have gotten until he was 65 years old. And he essentially made a gesture as to, you know, that wasn't

a deal that I could have possibly accepted. Yeah. And you're saying it's not true. You're saying it's much less than deferred money. Yes, simply not true. Okay. And again, I mean, that reporter, who I'm going to call out, what's his name? Never contacted.

Tim, I think it's Tim Kahn, just basically, you know, did the status quo that's out there and never contacted Rizzo to say, is this true? You have to do that. You can't just assume they're not going to talk to you. You have to at least make the attempt. Right. Okay.

All right, you're on today. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Did you see the Russell Westbrook video of him basically telling a fan and his wife at the Utah Jazz game? He was going to F them up. I'll F you up and I'll F up your wife as well that has gone viral and the whole world has seen. So what do you think?

Yes, I have. What do you think is going to happen? I think that Adam Silver is going to come down hard on Westbrook. I think he has to. You can't. I mean, this is a league, look, it's awfully close to malice in the palace. When you have a player threatening in the arena and full view of the public to basically F up a fan and his wife, I mean, the malice in the palace, that fan had no right to be throwing

drinks at players on the court. But that didn't justify them going in the stands and picking a fight. whatever this fan, Shane Kaisel, said to Russell Westbrook, and even if it was horrific racial stuff, you can't have that. You can't have a player do something like that. You've got to act more professional in a situation like that. You know there's remedies to deal with it. You can't have the whole world see you threaten.

You're basically physically threatening a fan and his wife. Can't have that. So for those that weren't paying attention, and I wasn't early this morning, I was on the NFL network paying attention to primarily NFL free agency. But Oklahoma City played in Salt Lake last night against Utah. One the game. During the game, actually in the second quarter of the game, Russell Westbrook was being heckled by a guy and his wife,

according to Westbrook anyway. And Westbrook basically first said to a security guard, I'm going to tell you one thing. I will F him up if he says that shit again. I promise you, Westbrook said to the security guard. And then Westbrook then looked at the guy who was heckling him. And the guy's name is Steve Keissel. Shane Keisle.

Shane Keisle. He's a 45-year-old fan of the Utah Jazz. He then looked at him and said, I promise you, you think I'm playing, I swear to God, I swear to God. I'll F you up. You and your wife. I'll F you up. I promise you on everything I love, on everything I love, and then uses the N-word, I promise you. So, apparently the fan, this guy, Shane Kaisel, and a few other fans were issued

warning cards for excessive verbal abuse, which is in violation of the NBA fan code of conduct. I'll be honest with you, I've never heard of that. I didn't know that that existed, but the card stated that any further verbal abuse would subject them to being ejected without a refund. So they got these NBA warning cards. Did you know anything about these NBA fan code of conduct warning cards? I didn't. Well, yeah, yeah. Actually, they gave them out at the Wizards game to fans the night that Andre Blas grabbed

the microphone and declared he was the captain. Right. Well, I honestly didn't know that they existed. I'd like to know more about what was said by the guy. But yeah, hold on for a second, but you didn't let me finish. But you are correct. You cannot turn around and verbally, you know, you cannot verbally threaten a fan in attendance. All of these guys, and I bet Russell Westbrook gets his share of it.

I mean, he is a polarizing figure in the NBA. There have been a lot of things that I'm sure he has heard over the course of many arenas, many years, many road games that are vulgar and would for a normal human being prompt a response. But these guys cannot, to your point, they have to ignore. They can't engage in something like that. And if they do, it has to be in a good-natured way. Like if there's a good-natured barb, you know, that's hurled at Westbrook, that's fun or fun, funny, then the player can engage the fan in a good-natured setting, but not in a threatening setting. It can't happen. At the same time, some of these fans are so out of control and so

vulgar, and they're looking for that reaction. They're hoping this guy actually said, if he wants to come up next time, I can kick his ass. I'm paraphrasing. Oh, you would have done this. That would have been your reaction. No, not with Russ, not with Westbrook, because Westbrook's straight crazy. He's crazy. But, no, you're right. But, again, if the NBA has a problem, a fan problem in Utah, they need to address it, and they need to deal with it.

But, again, like the malice in the palace, you know, that fans should not have been throwing drinks on players, but then you couldn't have players going into the stance. And to me, this is reminiscent of that. that. This is one step away from that. Do you know, as much as you would think Salt Lake City, Utah Jazz, that their fans would be the nicest, apparently they have been brutal over the years to a lot of players. A lot of players have said that, you know, the Utah fans are the most vulgar and the most disgusting and, you know, the most verbally, you know, you wouldn't think that about Salt Lake. But apparently this would not be the first player to have had an issue with the Utah fans.

Now, it may be the first player that gets involved in this. Now, Aaron had told me earlier that some stuff is coming out about this guy, about this fan, that his social media account includes a lot of racial stuff, right, and homophobic stuff. Yeah. Am I right about that? Yes. So this guy may be a bad guy to begin with. And I don't think we have the audio of him verbally berating Westbrook to start this off, do we?

Not yet. I don't think we have that. I'm not saying, Tommy, that it would help. It would help in the court of public opinion on Westbrook. But it may not help him with respect to, you know, those in the league that say, it doesn't matter what is said, you cannot threaten a fan. You can't do it, period. And we're going to slap you down for it with a two-game suspension or whatever.

I think you have to if you're Adam Silver. You can't have this perception out there that a player would physically threaten the fan. Now, again, if they have a Utah fan problem, he needs to address that as well and be fair about this. But this is just unacceptable on any level. No matter how provoked you think you were, you can't dole out street justice in an arena. I'll tell you what, man. There are a lot of players in the NBA that I wouldn't mess with, but, you know, it's the old saying,

I'll take, you know, big strong over crazy any day the week, and Russ is crazy. Like, he's the guy you don't want to take on because you don't know what he's capable of, because he does appear at times to be off, just a bit off. Yeah. But, yeah, I think you're right. I think that there, you know, that Adam Silver,

will address this. And, you know, they'll gather all of the information. And maybe there's a way to say, look, the fan, what the fan did is wrong and we have to address that to a certain degree as well. But the reaction, there's no, sorry, there's no defense for the reaction. We cannot have our players threatening fans at our games at any point in time. And that's why Russ is going to pay a two-game suspension penalty or whatever. I think that's the way to do it. I think you're right. I think he's going to get suspended.

I do. Yeah, I think he is. Now, I don't think it's going to be a big suspension, especially if they find out that he was provoked in a racial and homophobic with racial and homophobic, you know. Right. It's not going to be a Ron our test kind of suspension. But it will be a suspension that will get attention. Yes.

God, the NBA. That's all. That was my pet peeve for today. They've got drama in the NBA. every night. Oh, that's what they sell. They certainly don't sell the basketball. I know.

All right. I'll talk to you Thursday. Enjoy it. And you're on this afternoon on WJFK-1067, The Fan, with Chad, from 2 to 6, right? 2 to 6.30, buddy. 2 to 6.30. There you go. Wow.

We've done 4.5 hour. We did six hours a couple of times. Yes, we did. All right. Have fun. Have fun. Thanks. All right.

I'll see you. All right. All right. Thanks to Tommy for jumping on. real quickly, a few more things. First of all, just a free agency in general. They lost Jameson Crowder to the Jets. Crowder ended up getting somewhere in the neighborhood of $9 million a year.

Good for him. So my idea of a one or two year, three, four million dollar per year deal wasn't going to work. There was a market. There's always a bigger market for these players than you think it's amazing. And Crowder's at that perfect age. And he had an unproductive year. I still go back to the Scott McLuhan draft. It was one of those drafts where I'm like, Stefan Diggs, Stefan Diggs.

My God, you can get him in the fourth round. And they took Crowder. Crowder was a good player, Duke. He was a good player, and he was a good player for the Redskins. But it would have been nice to have Stefan Diggs, who went in the fifth round, a round later to Minnesota. In general, on free agency, a lot of defensive players in the first two days. You know, a lot of emphasis on adding defensive talent in free agency so far. It's amazing that one of the better defenses I've seen.

in the NFL in the last decade, the Baltimore defense of the last two years. I mean, they're losing players left and right. You know, Suggs is going to Arizona, C.J. Mosley to the Jets. It's interesting to see what Baltimore has done here in the offseason. I'm surprised a little bit that Teddy Bridgewater re-uped with the Saints. Apparently that is on the verge of happening. Miami apparently offered him a chance to start. It would have been better for the Redskins had Miami added Bridgewater.

Then you would have had one less team in the quarterback market in the draft. that is ahead of the Redskins. But Bridgewater back to the Saints, what does that say? Does it say that Bridgewater thinks that Drew Breeze's career is coming to an end shortly? Wouldn't you want a chance to start? But anyway, you know, overall, a lot of defensive players, foals to Jacksonville as an offensive move. Deshaun Jackson goes back to Philadelphia in a minimal trade. You know, there's some interesting things happening.

I mentioned Preston Smith. He's gone. the Jets had a lot of money. They're making big inroads inroads here in free agency. There's a lot left to come, but a lot of the, you know, the safeties, you know, weddle to the Rams and Collins to the Redskins

and Honey Badger to... Adrian Amos to the Packers, and Honey Badger to the Chiefs. That's right. Honey Badger to the Chiefs to team up with Eric Barry. That's not a bad safety tandem on a team that was bad defensively. By the way, they're cutting Justin Houston loose. We saw that yesterday.

And you mentioned Adrian Amos or Amos, however it's pronounced, is getting a decent deal, too. The safeties have really gone. Houston loses Honey Badger, but they sign Tashon Gibson, who was released by Jacksonville. Packers are really active, you know, adding Preston Smith and Zadarius Smith, and then, you know, the safety as well, Amos, as well, from the Bears.

Yeah, I mean, a lot more is going to happen between the end of this recording and tomorrow's show. But a lot of defensive players moving in free agency. You also had Joyner, Lamarcus Joyner, going to the Raiders. Where's Anthony Barr? Is Anthony Barr going to New York also? No, he was going to New York, but just now he decided he'd rather stay in Minnesota after all. Interesting. He's a good player.

I've always been a fan of his. Latavius Murray goes to New Orleans. Does that end Mark Ingram's run in New Orleans? Apparently he may be going to Baltimore is what it sounds like. They're really looking at that right now. Interesting. A team that always seems to come up with backs somehow, you know, over the years. All right.

One last thing on the show today. I just wanted to give a, you know, give a congratulations to Bruno Fernando, who was named First Team All Big Ten yesterday. Very deserving, I think it was. Anthony Cowan got second team all Big Ten. And I think Fernando was also first team all defense. And Jalen Smith, Stick Smith was the name to the all freshman team. Bruno also got a sporting news, honorable mention All-American. Okay, there you go.

I watched some hoops last night. I was really glued to a lot of the free agency stuff. But, you know, this is a big week in sports in general. my God, I mean, NFL free agency, championship week, which by the way, just as an aside, used to be a great week. It isn't anymore. I mean, it's fine. It's not the NCAA tournament first weekend of the Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. You know, it used to be when you didn't have all a conference reshuffling and you had rivalries and I don't know, maybe I'm just speaking from personal perspective right now. I'm not jacked up for the Big Ten tournament. And there was a time

where I love championship week, but it was also because my team was playing in the granddaddy of them all, which was the ACCC tournament. But anyway. In Greensboro or whatever. It's in Charlotte this year. It is in Charlotte this year. But it's so funny. I think it was Barry wrote a column about how it was tough to see Maryland playing in Chicago instead of Charlotte.

And just my back of my head, I was like, but when Maryland was in the ACC, they never played in Charlotte. It was in Greensboro. Well, it was in Greensboro more than it was anywhere else over the years. But they did play it in Charlotte. every once in a while. In Atlanta and even up here a few times. But anyway, congrats to the Maryland players, Bruno Fernando in particular, who made first team all Big Ten. Cassius Winston was your player of the year over Carson Edwards, which two weeks ago we would have never predicted. But Carson Edwards had a slow finish to the season, especially shooting

percentage-wise. The Wizards won last night. I didn't really pay much. attention to it. I turned it on a little bit, but somebody tweeted something to me about Jabari Parker. Here it is. Shan, you're right. Parker is quite an offensive talent. I didn't watch the game enough. I'm looking at the box score right now. Parker was 7 of 13 from the floor, 18 points in 24 minutes. He has really scored. He really has scored. If you just look at his shooting percentages. Last night, seven for 13, the night before that, six for nine, six for 12, 10 for 11,

nine for 13, five for 10. He's shooting in the month of March, 63% from the floor. A lot of those are dunks. I mean, he wills his way to the rim, and he's very difficult to stop. We had been standing on the show yesterday. He doesn't think that they will resign Jabari Parker,

and he thinks Parker will get a big deal next year. He's been a revelation for me. didn't pay attention enough to him when he was, you know, elsewhere. And I just, I never considered Jabari Parker to be that big, strong athletic force. I just, I, I, I, I whipped on that completely. But in watching him in Washington, my God, is he an athletic, you know, explosive physical force offensively on a floor? He is tough to stay in front of and tough to stop getting to the rim, where he dunks on people all the time. He didn't play much defense, and he turns the ball over a lot.

Those are the weaknesses of Parker. Anyway, I guess that's it for today, right? Was that enough for today? Let's get this show out. Thanks to Aaron. Real big thanks to DeAngelo Hall and J.I. Hall, Sell, and Tommy for calling in. Enjoy the day. We'll be back tomorrow with a lot more.