The Kevin Sheehan Show - Sports Fix Roots + Name Talk

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

Kevin and Thom today with an unexpected trip down memory lane to discuss how their Team 980 Show, "The Sports Fix", got started. Some "name" talk on the show today after Thom was surprised by an encounter with a fan and then followed up with a much-discussed column yesterday on how repulsed people are by "Commanders". The boys talked some NFL and Kevin had two movie recommendations to finish up the show. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it, you don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show, here's Kevin. Tommy's here, I am here. The show's presenting sponsor is always Window Nation, 86690 Nation, Windonation.com. Our last show together in 2025, and we got this Tommy from Ron and Christine. Ron and Christine, right, Kevin and Tom. My wife and I have been listeners to both of you going back to the sports fix days on 980. We just wanted to wish you both a happy new year and say a huge thank you for all the entertaining and thoughtful conversation during the year.

We rarely miss a show and appreciate you guys, exclamation point, exclamation point, Ron and Christine. They also sent their last name. I don't know if they want me to read their last name. But thank you, Ron and Christine, and happy New Year back to you. It's very nice. That's a very nice holiday gift right there. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm always interested because, you know, we have these fans that we know very well, John and Courtney, who have visited the podcast a couple of times. And I'm always interested in the dynamic of the husband-wife as both listeners. I mean, that's kind of rare. So I'm always happy when I hear something like that We've gotten that before We've definitely gotten that before I've also gotten several times in the past

Mother and Son Listening to the show Really? Yes But what's interesting to you about that dynamic Because Go ahead Because

Well because we're generally a male show, two men talking about manly things. Well, not all the time. And we must do it entertaining enough to tickle the fancy, so to speak of some females. Well, that was a little bit kind of weird the way you put it. I'm just glad that our audience crosses over occasionally.

I would certainly wager that 80% minimum of the audience is male. I also, I mean, I know a little bit about the audience. You know, that's information we've gotten over the years about our radio show and about the radio shows I've been involved even without you. And it's, yes, it's a large percentage of men. And in our case, you know, it's a large percentage. of what they call the 35 to 54 male demo. And, you know, some of the shows on our station for many years skewed even older than our show. Our show never was the oldest show on the station.

When the station was, you know, in the morning we would run Mike and Mike, and then it was Tony, and then you and I came on, and then it was coach, Doc, and Brian. And then in the afternoons, it was Andy and Steve. we were not the oldest show of the shows. Tony's was, I think, the oldest of the demos, age demos. And I think Andy and Steve skewed very old as well. We were kind of in the middle of the age thing. I remember that was important to so many of the program directors.

And I remember saying to one of our program directors, if you want the station to skew to a younger audience, you may want to think about FM radio, not AM radio. Because I don't know anybody under the age of 75 that listens to AM radio. Because AM radio has for many, many years now skewed exceptionally old. But yeah, it's always, I mean, sports talk radio in general. You know, the reason it's been successful, if anybody's interested, in not just our market, but lots of other markets.

And it's been a format that's hung in there in sort of this era of radio dying off, certainly music radio dying off, is because it appeals to a very attractive demo, men 25 to 54, is the money demo, as they say, in radio and TV, and sports talk radio appeals to it more than anything else. so yeah anyway Ron and Christine thank you very much and happy New Year to you and I'm wondering I'm wondering if

the appeal you know for the wives and other women who listen is because I'm a sex symbol oh I don't think

there's any doubt about that I didn't want to say it because I didn't want you to get full of yourself you tend to take you know a small compliment and run with it, but there's no doubt that the female audience that we have is here because of you. There's no question about that. Yeah, I don't, I don't mean to. They love your voice.

Some of it's here for you, too, you know? No, not. Maybe one or two, but that's it. And they're, they probably know me from somewhere. The, the female audience that listens to this show, they love themselves some Tom Leverro. There's no. No doubt about it in my mind. No doubt about it. From the voice to the overall disposition, to the brain, to the sense of humor, to not necessarily the politics will leave that aside. The religion stuff will leave that to the side. But they just love everything about Tommy.

They can't get enough of you. You know, you're dancing, you're singing. There you go. There you go. It's the singing. A lot of them like the singing. A lot of I like the Tommy Purify persona. Yeah, it's very, very attractive.

In fact, you know what? I want to end today's show with a Tommy Purify song. Will you send me something? I might be able to find it somewhere, but maybe you can help me out and send me a link to one of your shows down in Florida. By the way, you're heading to Florida. Yes, yes.

We're heading to Florida. We're leaving the Marr, and we'll get into Cocoa Beach. Cocoa Beach. Yes. What do you mean Cocoa Beach? What about the panhandle? What about the... No.

What? When we got four inches of snow in Miramar Beach last year, I said, that's it. Really? That's... Yes, I'm not coming back here. You're going east, young man. You're going east. So we're going more south than east.

I mean, it is east, but the reason we're going farther south is because that doesn't happen in Cocoa Beach. Well, yeah, but you're also going very much east as well. You're going very south-east, yes. And there's so far from what I can see. Generally, on most days, a 10-degree difference between Cocoa Beach and Miramar. Wow. I mean, when we get down there, it's in the mid-70s, many, many of the days looking forward. I would never have guessed that the climate would have been.

that much different. I would have guessed that the difference between Cocoa Beach and Jacksonville was significantly different because Jacksonville is really almost South Georgia, but I would never have guessed that much of a difference. But you're, I'm pulling up a map now. I want to see how far south. I mean, Jacksonville is pretty much parallel. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's Route 10 all the way. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And Cocoa Beach, I'm familiar with because I spent many spring trainings down there. That's where the nationals train at Cocoa Beach. So it's familiar territory, but I've never spent two months down there.

Actually, I wound up spending a month there on the paper because of something. They hired another beat writer to cover the team, a second writer in the early days. but he couldn't start at a certain time and I had been down there already two weeks and I was going to go home and they asked me to stay another two weeks to kind of like fill in and do what this guy was going to do

so I said sure so that means for a month I was at the Marriott courtyard on the beach and Cocoa Beach driving my Mustang convertible and pounded down beers every night on the company, and that is the first five-figure expense account the paper has ever gotten in sports.

Five figures? That's the only five-figure expense report? In sports. Oh, in sports. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess typically the, you know, the length of stay isn't the same for sports. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember what the amount was?

Do you remember with the five-figure? A little over $10,000. Okay. Just a little over $10,000. I used to send in my expense accounts, but I felt compelled to deliver that one in person just to see their reaction. By the way, the sports section shut down nine months later. It did?

Yes, it did. What year was that? 2009. 2009 was the year? my God. Well, of course. I, of course I remember when it shut down. The reason Tommy and I actually connected to do a show, and there's a certain program director who I really would rather not mention, takes credit for putting you and I together still to this day. It's kind of absurd. But the Washington Times did a deal with the radio station, the Washington Times sports

section, and part of the deal was to put Tommy on a show full-time. He had been doing the appearances with Andy and Steve on the sports reporters. And Tommy and I knew each other. We liked each other, but we got together. I'll never forget, we got together at that barbecue place out in Rockville. Yes. Urban barbecue. We had lunch.

And I was very, like they said, because I was doing the show solo at the time, Doc had decided to leave to go do the show with coach. Coach Thompson wanted Doc to be with him on the show. And Doc said, you know, I'm going to go do the show with Coach. And I'm like, that's fine. Totally understand. And I was doing the show solo with Mark Stern producing for about four months. And I was fine with that.

You know, it was only two hours a day back then. And they, the program director said, we're doing this deal with the Washington Times. What do you think of Tom Leverro? And I said, I love Tommy. You know, I have Tommy on the show as a guest every once in a while. He's great. He's great with the sports reporters. Well, they want to find a permanent home for him.

And would you be interested? So at the time, I'll tell you this, if I've never told you this, I'm telling you this then for the first time. But they had decided after wanting me to partner with somebody, they had decided, you know what, Kevin doesn't actually need a partner if he doesn't want one. I actually did want one. You know me. I've always preferred doing a show with somebody rather than solo like I do on radio right now. But the person that I talked to first about doing the show as a co-host with me was Chris Naki. And I love Naki. And I was very interested in that. And then the Washington Times thing came up. You and I got together. And I said, I'd love to do the show with Tommy. And I think, I don't know about you. I

remember thinking right from the jump, this will work. I always felt like it would work, because I listened to you enough, and I knew that it would be, it would be a good fit. Chemistry is not something you ever plan on. You know, it's either there or it isn't, so I'm not sure how I felt about that, but I remember thinking I can definitely do a show with Tom Libero. You know, what happened was we started in August of 2009 and then in December and in December of

2000 now the deal was to really go inside baseball the Times would pay half myself exactly I do remember radio station paid half but in 2009 in December the Washington Times decided to close their

sports section and just be a political paper right okay so so the half the salary stopped. But at that point, the radio station had felt that we had started some momentum, and they agreed to step in and fill the void. But they didn't have to. I could have been, you know, on the ounce.

Yeah, I do remember that. And I remember, so, I mean, I remember that the show did very well right from the jump. and I think that was convincing to them it's like it's doing well and there were a lot of reasons it did well I'd like to think that we did a good show for starters

but we also benefited no doubt from the day part you know there really was no competition in that particular day part in fact the other station didn't even exist and then when it did exist the show that they had on

was not real competition all due respect right uh but uh i mean we we we we slated in the ratings for about five years until a m radio started to to lose some some steam um but yes i do remember the salary thing and i do remember i'm like well you know we got we got to figure out we got to figure this out because it's going well and they're like we're going to figure it out and they stepped in and took it over but you didn't answer the question and that is when we got together that first time time. Did you want to do the show with me? Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. I remember we both

I remember we both walked away from that and I was like, I feel good about this. You know, you don't always feel good about it. We've both had stories where, you know, they've wanted to put us with various people and we've been like, no thank you. That's not a good idea. But that one was like a no-brainer for me. And you know, plus, you know, you also, I knew how it would work, but you had done radio long enough where it wasn't, that wasn't going to be any part of the adjustment. You would become as much all due respect to your career as a columnist, but I think you've even said this. You became as much known for being a part of the radio station as you had been for the column. Yeah, I had been doing, uh, on the sports.

reporters for about nine years at that point. Right. Yeah. And I mean, I even went, when the sports reporters, when Zabe would create those boondoggle trips to Vegas, they even took me with them. I know. Well, I think you continued to go on with Andy and Steve once a week, even when we were doing the show together.

I don't think so. No? Okay. I don't think so. so there it is everybody there is the origins of the sports fix right there that's a little new year's present for everybody yeah and it's just so funny because the program director takes credit for putting it together and it actually had nothing to do with him it was the deal that the radio the powers that be at the radio station above the program director said we're going to take this money from the

Washington Times, figure out a spot for Laverro, the columnist there. And that's when they were throwing ideas. And I said, yeah, let Tommy and I sit down. We'll talk about it and see if that's a fit. I think it might be. And I'm so glad that it turned out that way. And thank God it happened when it did because six months later it wouldn't have been available. No. It would not have been available. And here we are. Here we are 16 years later. and we're still working together. 16 years later. Is Cocoa Beach, I dream of Jeannie?

It is, right? Yes, it is. Yeah. Yes, it is. And there's even a street, a small little street named, I think I dream of Jeannie Court, right near the beach. Barbara Eden or Elizabeth Montgomery? Oh, this is Elizabeth Montgomery for me. Me too.

I had this argument with somebody the other night. It's funny just Barry because I was talking about Cocoa Beach with somebody, and they were Barbara Eden all the way. Oh, no, I'm definitely Elizabeth Montgomery. We've had this conversation before. Yes. We've had this conversation before. Yes. Because I'm looking up her, because it occurred to me that she died, you know, a long time ago.

And at a relatively young age, and she was also the daughter of Robert Montgomery. Robert Montgomery, an actor. Yeah, the actor. Well, meanwhile, I think Barbara Eden is still alive. She might be. I'll check on that. Yeah, I think she is. Yes, she is.

And you couldn't go wrong. She's 94 years old. Wow. 94. Look, I don't personally think it's even close. I think Elizabeth Montgomery was a straight, you know, stone cold, you know, hotty back in the day. I mean, even now, if that show were to pop up, she, she would be attractive to day in 2025.

She was very pretty. So she died at 62 years old. Yeah. Wow. Too bad. And there were multiple multiple husbands. Darren,

Dick York and Dick Sargent. Very good. Yeah. Excellent work. Well, I'd like to take credit for it, but I'm looking at the Wikipedia page for the show right now. Okay, okay. But I would have remembered that it would have been

if you had said Dick York, Dick Sargent, I would have said, Darren Bewitched, but I wouldn't have been able to pull the names from nothing. So. Dick York was in a famous movie that I recommend

if you haven't seen it before, I'd recommend it to everybody. He was in Inherit the Wind with Spencer Tracy. Okay. Dick York played the school teacher. It's about the Scopes Trials, where the schoolteacher in Kansas

was arrested for teaching evolution. Got it. And it's based on a true story, and Spencer Tracy plays Clarence Darrow. And Gene Kelly plays H.L. Mencken who covered

the trials for the Baltimore Sun. Anyway, inherit the wind is always timely, and it's a great movie. And Dick York, plays a school teacher. Have you watched any movies recently? You know what we're doing? This shows you out behind the times I can be sometimes.

We're just watching Mad Men. I've never watched it either, but it's certainly got to be. It's on the list for sure. It's on HBO right now. Yeah. I watched two movies over last week with everybody home. There were two movies that one, that I did not know about, that is new, and one that is about a year old now, I guess.

I'll tell you about them in the final segment of the show today, but I like them both. One of them was a major, you know, sort of box office debut eight, nine months ago. But I did finally get to that movie, and I'll tell you about it in the final segment. Let me just mention to everybody, no smell test picks today. I did tweet it out before the first kickoff today. And like I said on yesterday's show, because many of you are interested, you should be, this year. This year, I got a lot of people riding me, Tommy. A lot of people riding me.

And I don't, and I don't, I don't. And I don't mind all the questions and all the suggestions. Now, some of you have gotten awfully chasty. In fact, and I mentioned this on the podcast yesterday, you, several people, People said, you don't have the Falcons in the smell test? And I said, let me do my own work. Thank you very much. But I did not put the Falcons in the smell test.

I liked Atlanta last night and said that it is an anti-public play, but the sharp money was very mixed. The game went off at seven and a half. If it had gone off at six and a half yesterday, seven, I would have given it out. And Atlanta was impressive last night. My God, Bijon Robinson, we should actually have a conversation about this running back. I mean, he is truly unique. I mean, I've been a massive fan for a few years, but last night was an otherworldly performance and show he put on. But anyway, no smell test picks on any of the bowl games today or tonight.

Follow me on Twitter at Kevin Shee in D.C. I'll tweet everything out before the first kick. on each day. I would lean a little bit TCU tonight against USC in the Alamo Bowl, I believe it is, but it's not an official play.

All right, Tommy wrote a column that got a lot of feedback and detention. Tommy wrote about the name. We'll talk about it next after these words from a few of our sponsors. I'm over the whole

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You're the market leader for name talk and hardcore name honesty. But Devin is right about some in local sports media carrying the bag for ownership on the name issue. Thanks and don't change. Love what you do and love Tuesdays and Thursdays on your podcast with Tommy. By the way, Tommy's not going to be here on Thursday, and I won't be here on Thursday because it's New Year's Day. I will have a show tomorrow and I will have a show on Friday and then Tommy will be back with me during his winter stay in the lovely warm climbs of South Florida starting next week. So Tommy, I got a bunch of emails and tweets because on Friday, after the Netflix broadcast of the game, I just had a major problem with the Netflix broadcast pushing the rivalry during the game. game. And I get it, like, they didn't have a game of note because it didn't mean anything in

the standings, but they referred multiple times during the course of the game to the storied rivalry, Cowboys, Commanders. And I just said, can't we stop this? Like, why are we doing this? Why do we have to rewrite the past? And maybe they're not doing it intentionally. But I'm like, it's inaccurate and it's annoying and it's nails on a chalkboard for a lot of people. like me. So I talked about that on Friday show, and I got a lot of follow-up yesterday, and I read this one email from Devin who wrote, where is Devin's email? Here it is. When will the local sports media stop slurping new ownership and start talking about changing the name? It's so frustrating. Do you work for the team? And I just said, I can't imagine Devin doesn't, you know, actually listens to this show.

because obviously we've been talking about the name and I've been a strong advocate for a change of the name for a long period of time back to something even though I don't think it'll ever be the Redskins. So that's what Mark and Rockville was responding to and Tommy wrote about the name the other day in his Washington Times column and it was, you know,

I knew you were going to write something because when we last talked, which was last Tuesday, I guess, right before Christmas. Yes. You had said to me, and I was a bit surprised, you said you had talked to somebody who immediately came up to you and said, what did they say? It was the only thing they said to me.

They said, I'll never call them the commanders. They'll always be the Redskins to me. Yeah. And I said, how is it that you haven't heard that over and, over again. I don't know one person in my life that likes commanders, and most people even have a hard time even saying commanders. Most of my friends, we just say the skins or the redskins. I mean, that's the way it's been. Let me use the Godfather 2 to explain this to you.

Okay. There's a scene in Godfather 2 where Michael Corleone is in Cuba, and he's riding in a car, And he sees on the street a soldier, a couple of soldiers with their guns on a rebel. This is during the revolution, the Castro Revolution. And he watches as the rebel sets off a grenade and kills them, him and the soldier. Sure. You know? Yep.

And Michael went back to, I think, to Hyman Ross and said something to the effect, you know, the soldiers getting paid to die. The rebel isn't getting paid at all. And then he said, that tells me the rebels can win. Now, he knew about the revolution. Right. knew all about it. I mean, it was in the news. It was dominating everything in Cuba at that point. So he wasn't unaware of the revolution, but it was a moment that hit him that the rebels could actually win now. When this guy, I'm aware of the dissatisfaction with the name and the frustration and the sadness over the loss of the Redskins name. I've been aware of that, okay, but it almost became noise, you know, after a while. And then part of me knows that it's not going to be changed back to Redskins, no matter how upset these people are.

So I think that's me, and I think a lot of media, just kind of treated as background noise. But this guy was a fan of mine. He's a fan of the podcast and my work in the paper. and this was his first time ever talking to me walked up and talked to me and this was the only thing he had to say to me of all the things he could have said to me this was his one thing

and that hit me at saying this was the most important thing for this guy to talk about with me and that just like just reinforced to me how deep how deep the wounds are about the team

and that's what I wrote about that you know, that, and it was like, you know, you're hoping that, you know, a couple years of winning will kind of, you know, ease that, but they didn't get that. They got one year of winning, and now they're back to, you know, the familiar spot of a lost season, and those feelings are still raw. So I wrote about that. Okay. Now, let me make it clear to everybody.

Okay, because there's a lot of back and forth. with people, not from me, but with people back and forth on social media, I don't care what they're called. They could be called the Washington perverts for all I care. I have no stake in this. That said, I was stunned that, I'm not stunned, but surprised that this still runs so deep. And it presents, to me, it presents a huge problem for the owners, where I don't see an answer other than stringing together enough years of success that nobody

wants to be left out anymore. That's my thing. Right. So, I mean, I think it's interesting that that was kind of a moment for you. I think that for me, I've said this many times in the past. without question it's the number one discussion when people approach me out and about like you know if we ever do an event for the radio station last year I think it was I would say 50 to 60 percent of the conversation was about the name coming up do you think they'll ever

change it what do you think what about this what about that now during the season on mondays after a game, Tuesdays after a game, that's probably the number one topic. But I think the name is for me. And sometimes I do question whether or not I'm in this, you know, bubble of everybody understands that I don't feel like I'm as much of a fan as I once was. I just don't feel it like I used to. I've been very honest about that over the last several years. And it actually started even before the name change. The Snyder era wore me down, you know, as a fan. It got to the point where it got pretty bleak.

It's not that my fandom died, and it's never died, but it definitely waned. But the name change and then the way it was handled was an absolute shit show. And I knew I would feel, you know, the Washington football team couple of, you know, the year or whatever it was, 2020, 2021, two years of Washington football team. It didn't feel as final as 2-2-22 did, especially with the clown show of those that were actually participants

in putting together the new name and the new branding and the new uniforms. Like, it just was insult to injury, insult to real hurt. And it was like, you know, we let these outsiders come in and handle this. It's like, what are we doing? But that was the state of the organization. And it's funny how people will say it's the last vestiges of Snyder. I don't think Snyder had anything to do with the new name. I think he was long checked out.

He knew what he knew what was going to happen or he certainly felt like that was probably coming, an eventual sale. And it was Jason Wright and the other guy, you know, the L.A. Australian guy, um, whose name escapes me right now, that were the ringleaders on this whole thing. And just like they did with everything else they touched, they butchered it, you know, just absolutely butchered it. Um, so, um, yeah, I, I, I, so, anyway, I think that this has always been and it's not going to die away after one successful season. And we saw that with, you know, know, TV ratings this year and ticket sales. You know, they didn't sell out the entire season before it started with one of the

smallest capacity stadiums in the year. They, in the league, excuse me, they did end up, they did end up selling out, I think, every home game this year. I think they did. Yeah, I think they did, too. But remember when they announced the alt uniforms, the throwback championship alt uniforms and I said to you, look at the number of views of the tweets from the team versus like Josh Connerley being the drafted number first round pick. It dwarfed everything

the team had put out on social media, including free agent signings and draft news and schedule news. Like it was by far and away the biggest, the largest number of impressions of anything they had had since the NFC championship weekend against Philadelphia and I said for anybody that actually believes this is you know a small

group that's just loud you just at every turn there's more data that refutes that there's more information that just shoots that down and and and I agree and those people

are actually the small small minority that are loud, the people that tell you to shut up and move on. They're the small, loud group. But anyway, yeah. Now, this is what I ended my calm with. This is kind of what I, because I wrote about, you know, how they struggle this year.

I wrote about how lousy the stadium was, even though they put, you know, money in it. And then I ended with the parties over. Anger over the lost name remains raw. A fractured fan base hates your stadium, your name, and now, with an unfortunately familiar lost season, your product. Oh, boy. Happy holiday.

Oh, boy. Happy holiday. That's right. I did read it at the end, Happy Holiday. Yeah. Oh, man. I mean, I was, you know, because, I mean, that's the way it fits. It seems like that.

And I'm not blaming Josh Harrison Company for really most of the, any of this, I'm just saying they've been handed a very difficult hand to play out here. Okay, no one's going to have to hold a bake sale for them, and they are going to move into nearly a $4 billion stadium in 2030. But between now and 2030, it's going to be pretty rough. Oh, it's the issue that won't go away. And I think they knew that when they bought the team. They knew the challenge. They also felt like as long as Snyder was gone, there was going to be a big increase in interest.

And there was. And then they, you know, they not only had the, you know, renewed interest because Snyder was gone, they hit a home run in the first, you know, legitimate full season with their decisions at general manager, head coach, et cetera. But it's, look, this is beating. a dead horse for me at this point.

I don't think Redskins is ever coming back. I want it to come back. I would feel, I'd be, I can't imagine I wouldn't be all back in and feeling the way I used to feel. I guess there's a chance that that's gone for good, but it just, that's the opportunity to get me all back in and get people like me all back in. But I don't think Redskins is coming back. I just don't think the league will allow it.

the league's biggest revenue-generating corporate partners will allow it. Now, I do think that despite what Josh Harris said last off-season about how inside that building the name's really caught on for whatever that's worth, I actually think that that was not a brilliant thing to say. The people inside your building aren't your customers. Those are the people you should be concerned about as the owner of the team. But I think that, you know, despite the position he took at the end of last season, I do think it's something that they have from day one, it's always been a topic.

It's always been a conversation. I think that they took the path of least resistance because of a 12 and 5 regular season and two playoff road wins and an NFC title game appearance. And they had the opportunity to kind of just let it. it slide. They felt like, you know what, we didn't just win in the first year here with new, you know, front office, new head coach. We nearly got to the Super Bowl. We'll ride commanders out now and see how, you know, it plays. And they didn't follow up last year with a very good season. And I think they're finding out that last season isn't necessarily or

wasn't the elixir. It wasn't the, you know, winning cures all. You know, the other side, you know, the minimal other side would say, all you got to do is win and the name won't be an issue. Well, that's not true, as we found out. And I do think there's a chance that they could look into changing the name. The uniform thing, I do think we'll become permanent, we'll see. And that was a good step in the right direction. Bringing back the old logo and slapping it on the helmet would be a great step as well. And I think the only answer is Washington football team and everybody calls them,

skins. I've said that for, you know, five years now. And I think that would be the least polarizing, but I think that changing it is in play. I still think the odds are probably stacked against it after their statement last year, even though I thought there was a better chance that it would happen before last year started than not happen. But I still don't think Redskins is going to happen. I think that that is not going to happen. I hope I'm wrong. do you think Josh Harris I'm assuming

and I shouldn't assume but do you think Josh Harris will have a post your press conference yeah the owner don't you I would think Adam Peters

next week and Josh Harris shortly thereafter Adam Peters has to yeah the owner doesn't have to he did last year I would bet he does it this year what's your bet on that

don't you he seems to be a guy that will you know I mean it's not always the smoothest of press conferences, but I don't

think he fears it, and I think he'll do it. Look, I think he's pretty good in the press conferences myself, but it was easy to do last year, after last season. He was probably chomping at the bit to get up there and, you know, and strut his stuff after what they did

last year. It's going to be a hard press conference this year. Well, it should be, at least. But it would be a bad look if Harry didn't meet with reporters this year in a press conference. That said, the name should come up as one of the topics presented to the owner. It should definitely be on the agenda of questions, right?

Yeah, definitely. I think it should be on the agenda for every single time annually when he speaks. You know, I think finding out about sort of the business of the team, is an interesting, you know, path to that. I mean, you can just obviously be very direct and say, you know, are you guys sticking with commanders or have you considered the possibility of changing the team name? But, you know, what are the reasons they would stick with it?

And what would be the reasons they would consider a change? Because it's been problematic for them from the jump. This has not been something where they're just, you know, with the others that believe this way, don't worry about it. If we win, this won't even be an issue. They've understood from the jump that this was forever going to be an issue. The issue is, do they care enough? Does their business approach, their strategy, say that they need the old fans that have left them back?

or are they saying we think we can replace that old group with new fans that are younger and have greater lifetime value to us? That's what I don't know, but if they said that that's their business strategy, their customers, you know, a growth strategy, I would, I would understand that to a certain degree. I mean, one of the questions, I think, and I won't be there, because I'll be here in Florida. So, already, so if you're going to complain about me not being there, that's too bad. But one of the questions I think should be asked was, what do you say to these fans who refuse to root for this team anymore unless they're called the Redskins? I mean, how do you counter that? What do you say to those people? Well, they have to answer that every day in their lives.

I guarantee you people bring that up with Mark Eind and with Mitchell Rails and with Josh Harris all the time. So glad Dan isn't back. So glad Dan is gone. You guys are doing a great job. What about the name? I hate it. And I want it back to the way it used to be. Yeah, you're probably right.

So you said that you're... column created a shitstorm. What did you mean by that? Well, there was a lot of, I mean, it really reinforced how deeply this issue runs because there was so much attention upon it back and forth for people who thanked me for mentioning the name in my column because, you know, they said none of the other media whoever discuss it or bring it up. I don't know if that's the case or not, but I got a lot of that.

and I got a lot of, you know, move on. People said they don't know if other media will bring it up. See, that's the email I got from this guy, Devin. Like, that's hysterical. Like, of course that's not true. I don't listen to every other show, so I can't speak to the other shows. Obviously, we've done a lot of name talk to the point where we've heard more often than not, you know, from the loud minority, stop already.

And I'm like, no, we won't stop. We'll stop during the season when there are games to talk about. But, yeah, no, I mean, every single time we do a name conversation, whether it's a show or a part of a show, the reaction is, it's the number two reaction in this fan base. Number one is the day after a game. number one is in terms of volume of conversation, you know, responses, social media, email, et cetera, number one is day after a game. Number two is name. At least for me, I can only speak to my personal, you know, experience.

But I've talked to enough people in town and they're friends of mine and friends of yours. And they have the same, you know, sort of reaction. It's like game follow-up, name conversation. I think that one thing that I am sure of, I know some have gotten upset with me because I keep saying Redskins isn't coming back. It's not that I don't want it to come back. I do want it to come back.

I just don't think it will. I've been told that multiple times from people in the note that that's just a non-starter for Roger Goodell and the League and its top 10 sponsors. Just, you know, the old uniforms and the discussion of the logo being back into the mix, even in the building, you know, was a conversation with the top 10 corporate sponsors of the league. And the logo is not offensive to anybody, you know, to Native Americans and nobody else. That's never been an issue with the logo.

But the name, certainly, as we know, has been an issue for some, not Native Americans necessarily, but, you know, a lot of other people who feel offended by it, who are non-Native American for a long period of time. And that's, you know, that's unfortunately something I don't think the league will fight. I think they'd fight it if the name still existed, but since it doesn't, I don't think they will. But maybe we'll get something at some point. I said this in a column. This has been an issue for, this was an issue for 60 years, okay, not among the fan base, but outside of Washington. Right. Okay.

And once they got it behind them, the league, they're not going to go back to it. I mean, you know, they finally passed it in their eyes, you know, they're not going to go back. That's right. And hear even more protests and even more outrage, even if it is, Mr. guided and outrage and somewhat phony sometimes. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. Look, what's interesting about the, you know, chronology of the issue is that for all those years, it was an issue, but I think very much a fringe issue.

And then it got louder and louder as we got into this century. And certainly louder and louder as we got into the Snyder era. And Snyder had to say, never, never, never. I mean, he was antagonistic on it, which was not helpful for the cause. But the 2016 Washington Post poll 90-10, as those of us who are against the name ever being changed to begin with, would refer to that story. The 90-10, 90% of Native Americans have no issue with the name. all, that from the Washington Post of all places, that was a show-stopping mic-drop moment. The issue in the two or three years that followed nearly went away.

You didn't hear from any of the regulars on that issue. I mean, it was as clear in the rear view. You could barely see it in the rear view. it had gone away until the summer of 2020. And Snyder, you know, the timing up of the summer of 2020 with Snyder being incredibly dishonest with his minority shareholders. And Fred Smith took that opportunity to shut down the name. Thank you, Fred.

What else on this? I got a couple things for you to finish up the show. including talking a little bit about the running back last night. You said something before the show about NFL pass reception yardage averages. We'll get to that and more after these words from a few of our sponsors. Tommy, tell us about Shelley's. Well, you know, I'm heading for Cocoa Beach tomorrow. and the one thing I'll miss more than anything

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and on all three of those areas. And I'm going to miss going to Shelly's, but you don't have to, okay? You know, I can enjoy Shelly's by proxy, you know? You go down to Shelly's and tell me how great it was, and I'll tell everybody else how great it was. You can find out more at shelley's backroom.com. So last night, I watched Monday Night Football. I watched Atlanta beat the Rams.

The NFL is just crazy right now. I mean, I thought the Rams two weeks ago were the best team in the league. I thought they'd win the Super Bowl. Even after losing to Seattle in that crazy game a week ago last Thursday, I thought the Rams were the best team, and I thought they would represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. And now they've lost, you know, two games in a row, including at Atlanta last night on Monday night football.

A game that featured, I honestly, for me, fine Bijon Robinson to be the most exciting back in the league to watch. And the performance last night was all time for him. He rushed for 195 yards. He also had 34 yards on five receptions. He had a 93-yard touchdown run in the game, longest in Falcons franchise history. The 229 total yards from scrimmage last night gives him

2,255 for the year. Now, that is currently with one game remaining still about 254 yards away from the single season record for yards from scrimmage. So he'd have to have an unbelievable day in the season finale against the Saints to catch Chris Johnson's all-time record of 2,509 yards. But listen to this, Tommy. Robinson now has 5,000. 605 yards from scrimmage for his career, which is the most any player has ever had an NFL history before the age of 24. His production in the first few years of his career has been all time great. What makes him so interesting, and I really started to notice it last year when I watched the Falcons a little bit because my boy Kirk was an Atlanta Falcons, so I was paying attention

to the Falcons. And I'm like, God, do people realize how great this Bejean Robinson is? And it's his style. It is Barry Sanders in terms of his stop, start, in the vision, and the way he makes people miss. But it's more straightforward. He does it moving forward, where Barry Sanders would run backwards a lot. Remember, you know, Barry Sanders had some of the greatest two-yard runs in the history. of the NFL. Bejohn Robinson is much more straightforward, but the way he cuts, the way he, Jay Gruden said it earlier in the season, the way he deadlegs people and gets people to completely whiff

in small confined spaces in between the tackles is unique. The way he contorts his body to avoid direct shots, he's just so, so great. I think he's the best back in the NFL. And there are some really good backs. You know, Derek Henry's performance the other day was just incredible. I was going to bring that up.

I felt the same way watching Derek Henry in that Green Bay game. I mean, it was such a pleasure to watch him run. Derek Henry's had at least 10 games during his career where I have said that was sensational to watch. Jonathan Taylor, Jemir Gibbs, Devon A. Chan in Miami is special. Nobody in terms of all around can claim what Christian McCaffrey's been in the league during his career. But in terms of style, Bejohn's my favorite to watch. And he was unbelievable. He put on an absolute show last night.

And it's interesting that you mentioned Derek Henry, because I said on the show yesterday, if you watched what Baltimore did and watched what Derek Henry did, I don't know how if you're an NFL fan, you didn't sit back and just say, wow, that was incredible to watch. And last night, I felt the same way. So we had two of those performances in the same weekend. But Bejohn's my favorite. Before they played Washington this year, I said, look, not all of you have paid a lot of attention to Bejon.

He's been kind of on the periphery of the great backs in the game, but I think he is one of the great backs in the game. And he's having himself a season. Just, you know, this is year three for this guy, year three. And he is, it's not going to be the MVP, probably not going to be the offensive player of the year. I think, you know, Jonathan Taylor's got a good shot at that. But what a performance, and man, the Rams losing again, I don't know what to make of the playoffs. These playoffs, Tommy, are going to be so unpredictable. I mean, who the hell knows what's going to happen here?

There's no Mahomes. I know. I mean, I feel like in the AFC, the team, I wouldn't want to face in the playoffs or to Houston, Texas? Well, I've been talking about them for two months. Two months. I put a 30-to-one wager on them when they beat Buffalo on Thursday night football to win the AFC championship, and I've been talking about the Texans for a while.

I think they're the best defensive team of a lot of very good defensive teams in the league. In fact, I mentioned this Tommy yesterday, I think, on the show, radio or podcast I can't remember. and I actually did a little bit of homework on this. You know, I think we're seeing a bit of a change in the NFL for, you know, 15, 20 years, great offense trumped great defense. Last year's Philadelphia Super Bowl was defensive lead and it was, you know, it was incredible. By the way, their defense with Jalen Carter, I mean, it's in Super Bowl form again. But what you have this year, and it's a chance.

change from recent years, is that the best defenses in the league are also among the best teams in the league. Last year, Tommy, just traditional yards allowed number, the number two defense was Tennessee didn't make the playoffs. Number three defense was the Jets didn't make the playoffs. The number four defense was Miami didn't make the playoffs. And if you go back for the last few years. Very often, three out of the top five best defenses were not good teams. They were losing record teams. This year, your top five defenses. You're ready? Per DVOA, I'll go DVOA. Seattle's one. They've got the best record in the NFC. Houston's two, they haven't lost in two months. The Rams are three. They have 11 wins. And then interestingly, you go Minnesota,

and Cleveland, neither one of those two teams is going to make the playoffs, even though Minnesota is actually playing pretty well now. And then it's Philly, Jacksonville, Denver. So six of your top eight teams defensively are also playoff teams and really, really good football teams. Last year, different. The year before that, different. So you've had years, you know, years.

in recent vintage of your best defense is not being playoff teams or being legitimate Super Bowl contenders until last year, Philadelphia, and now this year, you know, several teams. So I don't know. Maybe we have, we're in the era of great defense again, and you've got to have a great defense. And part of bringing this up is just to remind everybody that Washington's defense is horrible. I mean, and just one of the worst. we've seen, for me, ever in franchise history. And I gave this stat that Bill Barnwell gave out yesterday. They basically since week seven, and that was the week, by the way, they lost

Dorrance Armstrong. They've been by far and away the worst defense in the league over the final 10 weeks of the season. They better fix it because, you know, now we'll see. The 49ers, great offense, terrible defense. They could be the one seed if they beat Seattle Saturday night. So the one seed in the NFC could be a great offensive team, a terrible defensive team. I mean, the 49ers are horrendous defensively.

Chicago turns people over, but it's not a great defense. In the AFC, almost everybody in the hunts, at least pretty good defensively. There's not a bad defense like the 49ers defenses in the NFC. So, I don't know, maybe a little bit of a changing of the guard. Defense-led championship football. It seems like we're seeing right now. I wouldn't bet against Philadelphia, no matter how bad their offense is. I agree.

God, there are going to be some interesting matchups. Let me just tell you the game I'd love to see. In the NFC, I'd love to see Philly, San Francisco. I'd love to see that game. I'd like to see I think that right now the best defense in the NFC it's close with the Seahawks

but I'd like to see the best defense against maybe the best offense with the 49ers in a playoff game and then in the AFC I'd love to see Houston against New England I'd like to see that game those would be right now

New England is really really good offensively you had some question about reception yardage or something that you were going to ask me about? Well, you know, maybe this wasn't a revelation to you, but it was to me. I don't know why, but I was looking for somebody's all-time.

I was looking at, you know, yards per reception, what their career mark was. So I went to the all-time list for the NFL record holders. And what struck me was you have to go all the way down to number 74, Marquez Valdez Scantling. MvS. To find someone today who is on this list. On the list of just explain again, the average yards per reception all time.

Average yards per reception. All time. Yeah. I mean, that tells me, unless I'm missing something, that it was more of a long distance game at one point than it is now. Much more so, Tommy. West Coast offense changed everything. Yeah, but isn't that more exciting? Man, I mean, football's just much different than it was. I'm looking at this list that you reference. Homer Jones is the all-time yards per reception career leader at 22.3 yards per reception. And you're right. Let me just see. Flipper Anderson. He's 80s,

90s is number four. Your guy, Paul Warfield, is tied for fourth. Bob Hayes is fifth. Let me see. Will he call to seventh? So the first 2000s receiver I have is Debrie Henderson, who played for the Saints at 31 at 17.9 yards per reception. But that's not even this, that's, that's two decades ago. Well, he finished in 2012. So, yeah, it's, it's. You have to go to one 50 to find a Washington receiver. Well, actually, that's not true. Roy Jefferson is on there at, I think, 75. Roy Jefferson.

And Gary Clark is at 150. The counter to the yards per reception would be completion percentage. I bet you if I go to completion percentage, there's nobody that played before, you know, 2,000 that's on the list. And that goes hand in hand with yards per reception because we went to, yeah. This is the argument home runs versus the singles hitter. Yeah, no doubt.

The West Coast offense really changed it and the higher completion percentages, the defenses that, you know, especially in recent vintage with two high safeties and shell coverages where you know you're playing everything in front of you and you're not going to get beat. That's why when you do have guys that can beat you deep, you know, like the other day when Cavante Turpin on a third and 11 ran by Juan Martin for an 86 yard touchdown, like that's just terrible defense in today's day and age. You just don't see a third and 11 86 yard bomb. This wasn't, you know, a slant that was yards after catch. This was 50 yards in the air. But, yeah, we've seen obvious.

I think that the long-distance game may have been more exciting. Yeah. It was bombs away. Daryl LaMonnaica, Joe Namath. Sonny Jurgensen. Sure. Where's Charlie Taylor on this list? Is he on this list? I couldn't come. I didn't get that far to see. him. I didn't see him. John Mackey's on the list. He's he averaged almost 16 yards a catch for a tight end. That's pretty impressive.

Right. Jerry Smith is on the list too. Wow. Yeah, I mean, like I'm going now to, you know, yards per pass completion. All of those guys, you know, goes hand in hand with yards per reception. You know, but

Sid Luckman, Otto Graham, Norm Van Brocklin Eddie LeBaron, Daryl LaMonica I just mentioned him his seventh Jack Kemp Don Meredith Joe Namath I mentioned him he's 11th

Let me just see where the first Wow Jay Schrader is 22nd Jay Schrader was a bombs away quarterback No doubt about it He had a big on What a talented athlete he was He was a real talented athlete

You know I tried to get him on the show over the summer He's an athletic director or somewhere out in California or Nevada? I thought he was in Vegas. Vegas, yeah, it's in Nevada. Like I said, yeah, Nevada, it's somewhere in Nevada. But I got, he, uh, I couldn't.

I interviewed him once. Yeah. And, uh, when Donovan McNeab was about to break his record of most yards in a season. Yeah. I got him on the phone and I interviewed him. But, uh, I, I just thought it would be interesting to have a conversation with him because, you know, Jay Schrader was a tremendous. athlete took the field the night that Joe Thaisman broke his leg against the Giants on Monday night

football in 1985. And by the way, his first pass was, you know, a 40-yarder to Art Monk. And he could really throw the deep ball. But he was not the, you know, IQ quarterback that Doug Williams was, which is why, you know, Gibbs ultimately chose not to trade Doug. Doug had, Doug just had a better feel for the game, and Doug was a natural-born leader, and Jay Schrader was not that. Jay Schrader was not well-liked, you know, but he was a tremendous athlete. Tommy, he was a baseball player. Yes. Really good baseball player.

Sonny Jurgensen's 40th on this list, Mark Rippin's 58th in terms of yards per pass completion. So, yeah, it's all the game, the passing game, has changed. tremendously yeah all right I've got two movies I want to tell you about that I watched last week I think you've seen one of them we'll get to that after these words from a few of our sponsors this segment of the show is brought to you by my bookie if you want to bet on all this football this week my recommendation is to do it at my bookie go to my bookie dot com or my bookie dot a g use my promo code the promo code is D.C. Reload, D-C-R-E-L-O-A-D, and you'll get a 50% cash bonus.

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on hbo now i didn't watch it on hbo i it's on it's on hbo max oh okay maybe i did watch it on HBO Max. I don't know. My son teed it up the other day. He's like, we haven't seen this movie. We're watching it. I'm like, let's watch it. So I did, you know, when it came out and it was in theaters, there was a lot of mixed, you know, review on the movie. Some people hated it. Some people loved it. I definitely didn't hate it. I didn't love it, but I liked it a lot. DiCaprio, I think, steals the show, although Benicio del Toro's excellent, as is Sean Penn, who plays a real odd character. But it's one of those movies where there's a ton of drama, a ton of intrigue, but there's also a lot of comedy, maybe some of it even unintended. You know DiCaprio's role in Once Upon Time in Hollywood, which I think is, I don't.

think it's a top three or four Tarantino movie ever. And I love it every single time I watch it even more than the last time. The last 30 minutes of that movie, you know, the Sharon Tate would be murders that, you know, history's rewritten by Tarantino. But when Rick Dalton, who DiCaprio plays, you know, the actor, the Western actor, goes off on all the hippies. And then they come in, and Brad Pitt's there, and he's stoned out of his mind. And DiCaprio is just manic, you know, that entire final 30 minutes. Well, this is what he is in one battle after another over the final 30 plus minutes of the movie. And it's brilliant.

It's worth the whole thing, the final. I've always thought about once upon a time in Hollywood. If you don't love that movie, you just have to keep watching the final 30 to 35 minutes over and over again because it's so great. And that's this movie to a certain degree as well. But I really liked it. I thought it was really, really good. So I recommend it for those that haven't seen it, maybe had it on the list.

You know, in terms of his movies, it's not there will be blood. I mean, to me, that's the greatest Paul Thomas Anderson movie ever. I know we've talked about this. I love Boogie Nights. Boogie Nights is up there. The Master's great. But There Will Be Blood is my favorite favorite PTA movie of all time.

You love There Will Be Blood, right? Oh, yeah. I agree with you 100%. I thought I should have won the Oscars here it came out. Now, I've told you numerous times, if you like, Tomahs, Hart Eight. Heart eight. I know. It's on my list.

The gambling move. I know it's on my list. I've never forgotten you saying that because I've had other people follow up and say Tommy's right, you will love Hard 8. And I'm guessing that was probably one of... Was that his first movie?

I don't know. It was made in 96. When was Boogie Knights made? I don't know. Boogie Knights is 90s, isn't it? Maybe not. Yes, sir. So the other movie I watched, have you heard

of this movie Bugonia with Emma Stone? Yes, I've heard of it. I've heard good things about it. It's good. She's great. Man, she's good in everything, isn't she? Yeah, she's married to John Karsninski, isn't she?

No, that's Emily Blunt. Emma Stone. I don't know who, Emma Stone. No, you're right. You're right. You're right. So this is, you know, a true black comedy, you know, and it's really good. It's a kidnapping of a CEO.

she's the CEO of this company. It's really well done. And Jesse Plemons is in it. You know, he played Todd in Breaking Bad. And he played, he's so good. He was, you know, he ended up marrying Kirsten Dunst after they did Fargo together. Because I think that season of Fargo with him and Kirsten Dunst, was brilliant. That, you got me kind of into Fargo.

I don't think I was into Fargo until you and others, mentioned it. But he was great in that, and he was great in this movie. So, Bagonia, really good. One battle after another, totally worth it. I have a feeling it's going to be one of those movies that if I watch it again and again, I'll like

it more and more. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing both of those. Yeah, so you'll be able to give me your report when you do. Yeah. All right, happy New Year to you. Have a safe drive down to Cocoa Beach. Thank you. Happy New Year to you, and happy new year to everybody, all of our listeners on the podcast.

I'm hoping 2026 is a good year for everybody. That'll be the next time we talk unless you reach out to just chat about something before New Year's Day. I doubt that'll happen, but it's happened before. We'll see. I'm back tomorrow with one more show in 2025. I just saw her with my best friend. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, do you know what I mean? I just saw her yesterday.

I just saw her ask her in the way. They know what I mean. Lord, do you know what I mean? Hey! I'm bombing. We're stepping out. Her and Bobby didn't know I found out. Do you know what I mean?

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