The Kevin Sheehan Show - Sports Shut Down

Episode Date: March 12, 2020

Kevin and Thom opened the show talking about the changing world and it's impact on sports. They also talked about a few of the Redskins-related stories from yesterday including Rob Ryan's comments about Dwayne Haskins. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Back-to-back days of the Sports Fix V2.0 with Aaron as a part of it. Tommy's going to join us here today because today's a different kind of a day, sort of. Although you predicted a lot of what happened after we stopped doing the podcast yesterday. I had a tweet. from somebody who I'm going to read it to you right now. He said, What if one player gets it didn't just cancel out one team. It suspended the entire league. And then somebody said, Tom was crazy yesterday. And I just said, yep, but he was also spot on right. I mean, it's one thing for me to suggest that one player might forfeit an NCAA tournament team. You called off the tournament yesterday. And I think you're going to be right about that because I can't imagine that anything's going to continue here, you know, moving forward.

As fast as things were moving yesterday, they're probably going to move just as fast, if not faster, today. How are you feeling? You had to leave the house yesterday. You had to leave your fortress of solitude out in Frederick to venture into a radio station to do, you know, a radio segment or two. You could have done that from home. But are you feeling okay, or did you feel you may have picked up something along the way? No, no, I'm feeling good. I'm feeling confident in the steps I've taken.

I wore my rubber gloves out, you know, my disposable rubber gloves. I bought a couple of pairs to use, and so I didn't really, I didn't touch anything, you know, and I changed them a couple of times over the course of the time I was out. I'm just really careful right now. And, you know, I mean, it may, you know, like I said, this virus is gunning for me. You know, I mean, I'm the target demographic. You're the target. Well, you're not a target in terms of contracting it.

You're a target in terms of if you do contract it being at more risk of developing serious symptoms. Yes. I'm 66. I'm in the age group that the CDC told to stay home. Last year I had a bronchial infection. That makes me more susceptible. So, yeah. But I'm doing everything I can.

I mean, you know, we're just taking a lot of precautions. And now all we can do is not kill each other, literally, besides protecting ourselves, not kill each other, all locked up. up in the same houses for the next couple of months. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to be watching.

What? A lot of YouTube old school highlights. This is, I think, the plan. If you're doing sports programming of any sort, you have to go back and pick things that people would love to see and talk about them. You must have been listening to my radio show this morning. Okay. Well, what did I say?

Great minds think alike. Yeah. That's exactly. That's what you're going to have to do. You're going to have to go back and do the Redskins Super Bowl. Yes. The Wizards. I mean, last year's NASCAR World Series, the Caps, you know, you're just going to have to

because people are not going to want to hear the same thing about the virus every day. They're going to want something to be entertained and feel good. That means you've got to go back to the past because there is no present right now. I mean, mediocre minds really do think alike. I, yeah, this morning I said, you know, CBS and TNT for March Madness, they are gearing up to show us the Christian Leitner shot in 1992, six or seven times. But really, you know, I remember, and I mentioned this this morning, you know, in 1982 when the NFL went on strike and there were no games for, you know, seven,

eight weeks, there was no replacement players that year. This was the year of no games, no replacement players, the year that the Redskins ultimately won the Super Bowl in a nine-game regular season. But the seven, you know, or eight weeks that there was no NFL football, first the networks tried moving some CFL games. You know, they started showing CFL games. And then, you know, there were some college games moved to Sunday. And then they started showing some old games, but the thing that I'll never forget is that WMAL Radio, they were the broadcast home for the Redskins back then. They started airing fake Redskins. like this guy, I think his name Tommy was Nate Albright.

Nate Albright is the guy who did my Knicks video. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's the guy that created you into a former NBA New York Knickerbocker. He started doing fake Redskin games. Like, you know, they were scheduled on that particular Sunday to play the Cardinals or whatever. And he would call a three-hour game. Like, and make the whole thing up with fake crowd and all.

and the whole thing. But yeah, I think what we'll get from CBS TNT will be in Turner Sports is we'll get a lot of old tournament games during March Madness. You know, it's really interesting because I think there's some things that we don't know right now in terms of whether or not. First of all, the tournament hasn't been canceled yet, but I think all of us would say that the odds are it will be canceled. I'm surprised that some of these conference tournaments are going to continue as of now. They are. And you're listening to a podcast, so nobody understands more than we do about how quickly what we're talking about now could be outdated, like maybe in the next 10 minutes. But the contract for the billions of dollars that CBS and Turner paid the NCAA for this tournament. You know, in most contracts, you know, and I just remember this from my pre, you know, broadcasting days, you know, most contracts, you know, have what's called force majeure in there.

It's like a clause, Tommy, that essentially, you know, limits the liability or obligation by both sides in the event of like an act of God, you know? And so it would take CBS and Turner off the hook for paying the NCAA. the, you know, the amount of money they'd owe them for this year's tournament. If a pandemic, what I don't know is whether or not pandemics included as sort of an act of God, you know, we know like, you know, hurricanes and earthquakes and floods and, you know, all that stuff is always included. I don't know if a pandemic's included or not. Some of that's going to be really interesting because obviously this is, maybe you mentioned this to me yesterday. If you didn't, then I heard it somewhere else.

And then it got repeated last night on the D.C. Coaches podcast, which I was a part of with Gary Williams and Chris Nocky and Gordon Austin last night. But did you know, if you didn't tell me this already, that 80% of the revenue that the NCAA generates on an annual basis comes from this tournament? 80% of it. That didn't come from me. I didn't know that. So it's not surprising. It's not, well, it is surprising to me. I would have never guessed it.

I would have thought that football would have been a significant amount of the revenue that the NCAA generates on an annual basis. It's this tournament. It's March Madness. So, you know, we talked yesterday a lot about the economic impact. You know, whether your perspective is that this thing isn't going to bother you or isn't going to impact you. It doesn't matter.

The economic impact on this country is, you know, significant. And that's why these decisions can't, even though public health is the most important thing, you know, life over death or life over sickness, you know, or health over sickness is the most important thing, you know, we're talking about something that is doing irreparable damage to our country economically. You know, it really is. And the NBA thing last night was just incredible. And to think that Rudy Gobert is the only player, that would test positive if you tested every player in every sport is incredibly naive, which is why you have to think that these sports are on the verge of shutting down.

Yeah, and you know what? Maybe they wouldn't have to shut down if the tests were available to everybody here at this point. You know, maybe they could, like within three days test everybody, have an idea what's going on, but there's not that mass testing available yet. So, I mean, you know, everybody is paying the price for that. And when I'm not good. All around the world, they're dealing with the same thing, but some places seem to be more equipped than others. Like South Korea.

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, I mean, you would think that with the money at stake, these people would be, all these corporate leaders would be a little bit upset about the government response to this. because it's costing them a lot of money. Yes, I understand that. And I don't want to turn this conversation into a political one. The one thing that I would say very definitively is I would much rather have a better communicator as our leader when he sits down in the Oval Office for a 10-minute update on the situation. He's just, you know, obviously he's a limited communicator.

he's got a limited vocabulary. He's not quick on his feet. I think these are all things that even a supporter of him would have to say. You know, I know that that... But my point is... I know what your point is. I know what your point is. I just switch the point.

Right. But if you're a corporate leader, if you have money at stake in this, and you know that maybe the damage could have been diminished, if not avoided, with better preparation. I mean, you should be pretty angry about that. Yeah, I know.

And, you know, there are also some people that would say that closing the borders to China immediately before a lot of other people would have actually, you know, put us into a better position to at least get into the situation we're in now, which clearly, you know, the big takeaway, look, we don't know anything. You know, what's worrisome to me is that the people that are supposed to know that they're not even completely

sure about this thing. But the one thing we heard yesterday, the one thing that became very clear, is that this concept of social distancing is crucial right now. Like social distancing is why right now, you know, our beloved sports are shutting down. You know, I can't tell you if it's necessary or not. No, none of you listening know for sure if it's necessary or not. You have to when it comes to something like this, you've got to have, you know, trust, you know, in the people that, uh, that understand this stuff. But the social distancing, you know, is the big takeaway for me yesterday. They're trying to slow it, not stop it, but slow it. And slowing it seems to be, slowing the spread seems to be the most important thing to those that know about what's happening because it will

essentially allow our health care system to get better prepared, to potentially build more hospitals, but at a minimum, get more medicine, get more supplies, get more ventilators, get more masks, get more gloves, you know, whatever else they need. This is what's the concern, like, you know, is that our hospitals are going to be overrun, and people who are going to be in need of a ventilator, as an example, aren't going to get one and are going to get sick or seriously sick or even die unnecessarily. That seems to me to be why this thing has accelerated incredibly over the last couple of days is that there's this understanding that the math says that this thing's going to grow exponentially

in terms of the cases, that we don't even really know what the number of cases are, and that we're not going to be able to handle it from a health care standpoint. And by slowing it down through this social distancing, we'll be able to get better prepared to handle it from a health care standpoint. I agree. I think that's what I learned yesterday. I mean, I agree. That seems to be the only defense right now is people staying away from large groups. Look, Kevin, it's hard to avoid the politics that is.

I'm sorry. But everything you talk about, building temporary holidays. hospitals, you know, having enough supplies available, that should have been discussed last night. That should have come up last night, you know, like activating the National Guard, the medical unit for all the National Guard to help deal with the overflow, having temporary hospitals prepared to be set up to handle people, you know, that the regular hospitals can't, directing the supplies to the areas ordering the companies that make the Purell,

that make the masks, that make the ventilators to make sure that all those supplies are directed to the areas that are most affected right now. All that should have come up yesterday. Well, again, you're not making it political here other than you're criticizing the president, but I understand that there's been a lot of criticism of the president. And I think, you know, I think our leader, our leaders have to, there's this fine line in a situation like this.

This is just, you know, I was talking this morning, perspectives everything in this, man. I got to, I opened this show this morning, Tommy, with a tweet from this guy, Jimmy, who said, please tell me right now that your show today is not going to be a show all about the overrated media generated virus. I'd like to hear you talk about sports. And I open with that tweet just to thank him, first of all, for his outstanding programming advice. But to essentially then drill down to perspective, everybody's got, there are a lot of people with his perspective. A lot of people. Your perspective is completely different if you're super young versus super old.

Your perspective is completely different right now on last night's Oval Office address based on your political bent. Like everybody's perspective about the virus, though, is really interesting. Now, what's interesting to us yesterday being in the sports arena is that it really blended in with sports because the NBA shutting down and the NCAA tournament, you know, going to empty arenas became a big part of the, you know, COVID-19 discussion, you know, yesterday. But I don't know if it will once the game stop, sports is not going to be a big part of the conversation. anymore. It just is in the short term right now. But I think that our leaders have two responsibilities in this situation. One is to be honest and to tell us what's happening and do it specifically. But at the same time, you know, panic is a bad thing too. And you have to do it in a calm way in which you communicate that, you know, this is what we're doing. This is why we're doing it. This is what's

needed and the good news is if we do all of this things are going to get better you know like i was telling erin before the show and i'm not making this political um but you know whether it would have been obama or bush our last two presidents prior to this one both of them would have been better communicators in this situation a lot better i agree i absolutely agree i think i think I think anybody would have felt a little bit better, and again, you know, I have different views on each of those guys, but I would agree with your conclusion on both of them on that. It's important for your leader of your country to be a good communicator. And I'm not going to tell you what I like and dislike about him and tell you what my positions are necessarily. I really sort of have always viewed myself very much as a centrist and a moderate.

Unfortunately in this country, we can't nominate, you know, a GD centrist or moderate because neither party will allow it. But besides that, what is very clear to even the most ardent of supporters of President Trump, he's not a good communicator. He has a super, super limited vocabulary. All right? he's very slow on his feet. And that to me is like obvious to anybody, regardless of whether or not you are a fan and you support him

and you're going to vote for him in November or you're on the opposite side. He has got to be one of the worst communicators in public in these kinds of situations. And part of that also is because when you are so self-absorbed and you're so narcissistic, in a situation where it has to be about us and we, it just ultimately gets back to I. And that's who he is. Whether you like him or not,

whether you agree with his policies or not, whether you think the country's in a much better position up until a few days ago now than it was four years ago. I mean, I think most reasonable people would say, you know, he's self-absorbed. He's a narcissist. And because of it, it makes him a very poor communicator at times. but anyway.

Yeah. It was not a night. I mean, again, you know what? I mean, you're looking for, you're looking for somebody to make you feel confident that things are going to be okay. And look, it's a hard thing to do. It's a hard thing to speak to 300 million people who are in a panic and tell them, we're going to be fine. we'll get through this and have them believe it. I mean, it's a very small group of people who can pull that off.

And I'm not one of those. First of all, I listened to his address last night. I did the DC Coach's podcast last night with Knocking Gary and Gordon Austin, and I was driving back from Tommy Joe's, and I was listening to it in the car. And I actually, in listening to it, not watching it, was like, okay, much more serious tone, you know, not just saying everything's fine, you know, and talking about how the Democrats are blowing this, you know, there was none of that. There was none of this.

Oh, by the way, if you've got mild symptoms, you can still go to work. We didn't get that. And it was more serious tone. And I'm not going to sit there and nitpick on some of the things that he got wrong, you know, that the co-payments aren't going to cover treatment. They're just going to cover the testing. He got that wrong. And what was the other big one? There was another big one that sort of had to be corrected after the fact. Involving trade. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, the Europe travel restriction wasn't going to restrict products and goods from coming from Europe to here. They had to sort of retract that or update that. But to your point, I think there could have been a lot more in there. There could have been a lot more. But, you know, we're not here doing the CNN, Fox, MSNBC breakdown of the Oval Office address, even though we sort of just did it. I actually do have one question about this. Why is the U.K. excluded?

I've been looking for an answer as to why all of Europe can't travel here, but the U.K. can. Since they have more cases than about a dozen other European nations. I didn't even know that was true. Yes. I mean, some European nations have more, but there's like Belgium and other nations, they have far less. So what's the logic? What's the reasoning? I don't know. I mean, you know, if you want to, you know, I think, I think it's reasonable to conclude that if your base political motive in this is, you know, you feel the kinship to the, let's, let's be able to kinship to the, what, What's the movement that kicked out the European Union over there? What? Brexit?

Brexit? I think he feels, you know, an alliance with the Brexit leaders over there. He doesn't want to punish them. But what we heard last night was mostly from medical people. I mean, it seemed like for the first time he was taking the advice and not trying to play Dr. Trump. Anyway, enough about that. I get that. But, again, for everybody out there, you can't.

You can't disconnect. We're in the position we're in. And the only way we get back to normal is the response of the people in charge. Let me just do one very little political statement here. Okay. Everybody hates the government until they need it. Well, it's so funny. I just had that written down.

I just had that written down. But you finished what you were going to say. That was it. That was it. Everybody hates the government until they need the government. I just wrote down because I said it earlier this morning and I was looking for my note and so I couldn't find it so I wrote it down again. I am not one that believes more government is better than less government. I believe that less government's better than more government.

Typically, that's my overall general sort of political and personal philosophy and all. all that, but this is when you need government. A pandemic is when you absolutely not only need them, you desperately need them, and our economy desperately needs government to act here. And, you know, he laid out a couple of the things last night, but this is going to also be a Democrat-Republican Congress thing. You know, they're going to have to stimulate this economy somehow, because it's crumbling around us. Italy right now is essentially shut down. They have no economy right now. None. We can't get into that position.

I wanted to add one thing to this. We're not done talking about, you know, COVID-19. You know, COVID-19. Mr. COVID was gunning for Tommy. Mr. and Mrs. COVID has been gunning for people like Tommy. But, you know, everything's moving so quickly, very quickly. And, you know, the reaction, you know, with the leagues, the sports leagues, which, you know, touches a lot of us that are big sports fans,

but touches everybody. Like last night, the NBA shutting its season down was part of the overall a topic of the night. But does anybody else get the impression that they're not telling us everything? And maybe it's because they don't know everything, but it seems like things have accelerated so quickly that there is absolute alarm and panic among our medical people and now among our government. And I just wonder how much they know that we don't know right now. That's a reasonable concern. I mean, I think all you can do in this day and age is find the outsider who you would trust as experts. Now, that's hard to do because...

But the experts disagree. I've been listening to the so-called experts, and they all end up giving at least slightly different versions of the situation. I know that. I mean, I found a guy on Twitter, who I have been following. Twitter. Tommy's going to Twitter for pandemic information. No, there's this guy, and I recommend this to everybody. Okay. His name is Eric Siegel Ding. I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that. I've seen this guy, I think. Yeah, it's at Dr. Eric Ding. He's a, he's a, he's a A senior fellow and a scientist with Harvard and Hopkins on his background, he seems to be pretty on top of the latest information and given an accurate assessment of it.

But other than that, the good thing and the bad thing about social media is you get good information and you get bad information. and, you know, a lot of people in this country have failed to separate the two over the years, and now it's more important than ever than to separate the two and figure out what's credible and what's not. But that's a reasonable fear, Kevin, that, you know, we're not being told. The former head of the CDC came out and said, half the population in this country will wind up with the virus. Yeah, I've heard those numbers. Well, no, no, no, no, no. That half the people in this country will be exposed to the virus.

Being exposed to the virus and contracting the virus are two totally different things. There's like, Tommy, there's sort of like a chronological layering of this. It's like exposed to it, then contracting it, and then obviously the symptoms developing, because some people can contract it and get no symptoms. And then it's the severity of the symptoms. It's essentially in order exposed, whether you're not, you contract it or not, whether or not you develop symptoms, and then the level of symptoms. What were you going to say? I was going to say, speaking of exposed, Donovan Mitchell from the Jazz just tested positive for coronavirus.

Yeah, well, I mean, some of his teammates are going to test positive. And the whole thing about the NBA, like, just do the math on this, right? And this is why I threw out if one player test positive on a team, they're going to forfeit in the NCAA tournament. Well, I should have taken it where you talk. it, which is, hell with that, the whole thing's going to shut down. Because in basketball, these players are sweating profusely during these games, and they're leaning on each other, and there's lots of contact, and there's jawing back and forth with spit flying through the air. And so- I might want to point out, they're touching the same ball.

They're touching the same ball, yes. You know, and so not only, so Utah's playing, you know, Oklahoma City, and then Oklahoma City goes and plays another team, and then that team plays a bunch of teams. Like I heard somebody say very late last night that the league is essentially suggesting that the last two weeks worth of opponents for the Utah Jazz should think about self-quarantining. And I'm like, wait a minute. Those teams that they played ended up playing other teams that weren't teams that played Utah. Like it's just going to go through all the, I mean, pretty quickly you get to all 32 teams being exposed to either. directly or indirectly to Rudy Gobert.

I think they, someone, someone did a chart and said that all 32 teams were connected. Yeah. I mean, they played the Knicks recently. The Knicks just came here the other night and played the Wizards. How about, by the way, did you guys see Fred Hoyberg? Didn't you tweet this out last night, Aaron? Was that you tweeted out that let everybody know? Yeah.

Or at least in our circle of, you know, Twitter follows. follows. Did you see Fred Hoyberg, the coach in Nebraska, Tommy? Did you see that video? Yes. Yeah, I did. And they should be ashamed of themselves, even though their story is he was cleared by a doctor, that he was diagnosed with something else. Like the doctor had a coronavirus kit with him, I guess, and maybe tested them. They should be ashamed on themselves for doing that. So for those, yeah, for those that didn't see it, Nebraska was playing Indiana last night, the second game of the first round of the Big Ten tournament in Indianapolis. And Fred Hoyberg coaches Nebraska. And Fred Hoyberg's doubled over, sick as a dog, on the bench during the game.

And you're like, is this actually happening? Because this is like part of the movie. And so he went out there not feeling well, stuck it out during the course of the game, went in, got tested immediately for, he did get tested for Corona. and he tested negative for corona, positive for influenza, A. Thank God. Now, yesterday was, I mean, the whole day, right, was crazy because we went from, you know, early in the day, hey, the Warriors are going to play in front of empty arenas to, oh, my God,

the NCAA tournaments banning fans from games. And then Rudy Gober has got coronavirus to the NBA shutting down. Someone on Twitter, I can't remember who exactly it was, spelled out the whole I read something. It takes forever to read through the whole thing, but all of the events like minute by minute yesterday. It's amazing. Yeah. And it was just incredible how quickly this thing happened. Now, as of today, and we're recording this right now, it's 10.58 a.m. all right, in the morning and we're recording this. As of now, there's still nothing from the NHL, nothing from Major League Baseball, which it doesn't make any sense to me based on what you told me. And I use your line last night on the coaches podcast about, you know, at spring training games, they take attendance during the game and then after the games. Because the average age of the attendee has to be in their 60s, right? Yes. Yes, it's ridiculous that spring training.

Ridiculous. But again, given Rob Manfred as the commissioner and his pathetic response to something now is significant as the Astro's cheating scandal, it doesn't surprise me the lack of leadership. What, Aaron? Yeah, I'm just going to keep breaking it. MLS just suspended their season. I mean, you know, although those are... Nobody's going to notice.

Well, you know, the XFL, you know, it's funny because if you're starting a business, a retail business in particular, in this climate, it's just the worst of all time. And the XFL is going to... The XFL, I mean, the ratings are way down to begin with, but they're really relying on the live gate in that league, and now they're not going to have a live gate, and they're probably not going to play games. Vince McMahon's going to have a bigger problem. than the XFL.

His WWE product relies on live events. Right. Lots of people. There's one event that relies. It's funny with the way that the TV deals have worked. The WWE no longer relies on live events and in fact, live events are very small. But WrestleMania is in three weeks, which is the one event that they make a good chunk of their yearly profit on. I mean, you know.

Where is WrestleMania? Tampa. Yeah. That's not happening. No. that's not happening. What's happening? I was thinking this morning, you know, we talk about sports.

The NFL draft. The NFL draft, that's not going to happen. Well, Maskey reported today that the NFL is probably going to have an announcement later on today about what their plans are. Forget about the draft because that's still six weeks away. You know, free agency starts on Tuesday and it requires a lot of travel. And also, you've got a lot of pro days. coming up as well for the college players.

And so, you know, it's very possible the league is going to, you know, suspend all of those or push back on the calendar, a lot of those dates, which may lead to the draft being postponed and scheduled for another date. But, you know, first of all, I think we're all in agreement now, and you were ahead of this thing yesterday. I'll give you all the credit in the world per usual, all right? You said, tournament, there's not going to be. a tournament. So you're right about that. You're not right yet, but I think that's what's coming.

And Aaron, I think all these conference tournaments are going to shut down here. I mean, all it's going to take is one positive test with anybody, somebody not feeling well. I mean, it's not, social distancing is the primary focus right now from all of these health people. They're saying these large gatherings are just not going to be good for this. If they want to have any chance of having the NCAA tournament, they need to close these conference tournaments off now. Right. They've already made them so that people can't attend them. But just shut it down in general.

Why hasn't Ted shut down the Caps game tonight? There you go. There you go. I mean, Mr. Business of Happiness himself, Ted Leonces, is response to what the mayor's declaration, that no events over 1,000 people should be allowed in the city, and him thumbing his nose at that. I mean, he didn't act on the Wizards games until David Stern, until Adam Silver basically took the decision out of his hands

and said there will be no NBA. Now he's doing the same thing with the NHL waiting. I mean, really, I mean, this is ridiculous. And what about concerts? concerts. Concerts are being canceled left and right. Almost all concert venues in D.C. and as well as Capital One. Not the Capital One. Well, not up to Leonces, but a lot of the just tours in general are shutting down.

I'll tell you what, though. I bet you he's still working pretty hard to get that app for sports gambling ready so that everybody can take Vegas down. I'm sure that's coming up. Ted the Bucky. Ted's response has been embarrassing. He should be ashamed of himself if he ever claims to have any empathy for fans. Speaking of monumental sports in his teams, I actually found this tweet at 524 a.m. this morning, very, very funny. Brad Beale, all right, Bradley Beale, at 524 a.m. this morning, quote, I wish no root canal on no one, exclamation point, exclamation point, shaking my head. Hashtaguer, BS.

I wonder if Beal in the middle of the night had to go for a root canal. Or maybe he was waiting to have a root canal and now's as good a time as any. Well, maybe the medicine wore off at 5 o'clock. You know what? Maybe that's what. Maybe he was like, no, see, when the root canal's over, because remember, I've told you the story, I think, that I had, you know, two years ago now, a year and a half ago, whenever it was, I went in for a root canal, nerve pain's the worst.

and the guy that was doing the root canal took care of it, and then I got home late that night, and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm still in pain. I mean, this is ridiculous. And I went back the next day, he said, oh, you got another one and another tooth. And I just sort of felt like maybe he had done the wrong tooth. And I asked him, point blank. I said, did you do the wrong tooth yesterday? No, no, no, no.

You had one there and you got one here, too. That's why you were in so much pain when you came into me. Did he have two of them? Did he ask, did he ask Curley, Mo for advice? Well, he did sort of give me a discount on the second one, which really made me suspicious, you know? So when I read that from Beal and all of you that have had terrible, you know, tooth pain or root canal pain prior to a root canal,

root canals now are not painful. It's the pain of having, you know, your nerve impacted in a tooth that's really painful. But when I read that this morning, it's like, hey, your season just got shut down. poor guy also just had a root canal, which is too bad. So is there any, so what are we going to do? What are you going to write about? What if we have no games here to talk about, to write about for the next days, weeks, who knows, potentially months?

Remember the NBA before they shut it down yesterday? they were asking for each team to give them their arena's availability through July. Like they might be playing this season into July. Well, they already play it into June. But schools are going to shut down here. Penn State got shut down. My son's taking classes online. My son at Maryland's taking classes online.

You know, this is not, you know, these schools are shutting down. Public school systems are starting to shut down. Loudoun County did. Yeah. I mean, kids are going to be home. Yeah, I think that's inevitable. You're right. Social distancing is right now the only weapon that we all seem to have available,

and I think everyone's going to make use of it. I don't think you're going to see an opening day in Major League Baseball. I mean, these idiots who are running baseball, they're just whistling past the graveyard. I mean, the home opener for the Nationals, I think it's April 2nd. That's not going to happen. That's definitely not. So what am I going to write about? I'm going to do what we talked about at the beginning.

I'm going to go back and find stuff that's history to write about. That's all I can do, write about the past. You know, a friend of mine texted me this a little while ago, and this is something that I'm bringing up with you for the first time, because I didn't think about it this way. But he's like, you know, we celebrated back in the day Michael Jordan winning the NBA championship against Utah playing with the flu. You know, like, and there he is, you know, breathing, sweating, spitting all over people in Salt Lake City in that famous Game 6, you know, or he's guy, he's burning up with fever.

We watched Magic Johnson play with HIV when we really didn't have all the information, you know? And I know that that was a significant statement at the time. And, you know, we watched him go out there and it made people less fearful in many ways. And it probably did more of a service than a disservice. But now with this thing, it's like, you know, everybody's got to steer clear of it. The Players' Championship just decided no more fans after today. So the Players' Championship at Sawgrass, which starts today. Tommy, you probably don't know this.

It's like considered to be the fifth major, is being played in Jacksonville at Sawgrass. And after today, no fans, but they're going to continue with the event. Now, golfers are not, you know, they can see. You know what? A golf tournament, a golfer can socially distance himself essentially from another golfer and play his round. Yes. Yes, he can. And, you know. What other sports are that way? Tennis? Yes.

Golf? I don't, I mean, golf, I mean, you know, the sports that rely on TV are going to do everything they can to try to continue. but, you know, the sports that don't rely on. I just saw that the Patriot League canceled their entire spring sports schedule. Well, so did the Ivy League. Yeah. The Ivy League shut down all spring sports. These are a smart school, remember.

Yeah, Patriot League's got some really good smart schools. But now, you know. Lafayette. Lafayette. Yeah, these are a smart school. Yeah, agreed. But the other thing, too, did you see Rudy

Gobert what he did a couple of nights ago? Yeah. He's a child. He's an NBA player. He's a child. He thought he was being funny. Yeah, the reports are he was doing that in the locker room as well, messing with people's, like, teammate stuff and, you know, things like that.

Really? Yeah. Do we know that to be a factor? Is that just what people are sort of... That's what Wojj said. Hold on. Let me pull up the exact wording of the tweet. It was...

Jazz star Donovan Mitchell has tested positive for the coronavirus league sources tell ESPN jazz players privately say that Rudy Gobert had been careless in the locker room touching other players in their belongings. Now a jazz teammate has tested positive. You know what? Am I wrong to consider this to be potential criminal behavior? Well, he didn't know he had the virus. He didn't know. I mean, I look, I'm all in favor of holding people accountable. No, no, no, you're right.

You're right. If he knew he had the virus, it could be. Yeah, but he didn't know anything. What an idiot. What a freaking idiot. It's one thing to joke around with the media that day, and even that is a bit over the top. But to go around putting your hands on players and being careless in the locker room, we're over the last few days, even though they probably didn't see a shutdown coming,

They were all probably trying to practice decent personal hygiene, you know, and as much as they can when they're playing a professional sport. What a moron. Look, I mean, your expectations have to be low. We're in a town where there was almost a gunfight in a locker room between two players. We're in a town where a player took a poop in somebody's shoe. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, if there's no sport.

So there was one other thing. I want somebody to give us like a projected timeline. You know, they're putting, our lives have changed significantly. We're all hopeful that our lives are going to go back to the way they were. But over the last couple of days in particular, we are living different lives than we were a week and a half ago. You can't debate that. Everybody is. Regardless of whether your perspective is that this is, you know, overrated or we're overreacting or underreacting or you're terrified or you're disconcerted or, you know, you're

blasé about it. It doesn't matter. Your life, the way you knew it, has changed at least in the short term. And the economy's being impacted, and that obviously affects all of us as well. I would just like to hear from somebody, hey, look, your lives have been affected, they've been changed, this social distancing is very important for the foreseeable futures. We're asking you to essentially change your lives, in some cases put your lives on hold, in some cases, in many cases put your livelihood on hold. But we think that by this date, we will have reached a potential peak and things will be able to go back to normal. If you're going to ask people to do this, which by the way, it's for the good of mankind, if you're going to ask people to do this, don't you need a bit of a timeline, even if it's just a projection? And you disclaim it, you're like, of course this is a guess.

But right now, as a citizen in this country, I don't know if we're talking about days, months, or years. I have no idea. Do you? No, no, I don't. even if they don't know, would you want them just to pick a date? I would like somebody with a real grasp on how pandemics work and, you know, has been preparing their whole lives for something like this, is watching it unfold, is watching the reaction to it to say, so based on what we know today, you know, this is going to be this social distancing, this closing down of large gatherings, et cetera, you know, is going to be, you know, a thing. at least a two-month disruption. You know, more information to come.

I don't have any sense of the time involved in this. Do we not deserve to know just what they're thinking is right now? When they're sitting there in these meetings, somebody's saying, we're going to be here in March 2021, same situation. Or are they saying, you know, that the league just suspended, the NBA's got the information that they're suspending things, knowing that they might be able to resume in June or July. I just would like to know.

Well, I mean, if you're a worth-case scenario guy... When can I go back to living my normal life? Is there going to be an all-clear signal? If you're a worst-case scenario guy, the reason they're not giving you a date is because they don't want to tell you what they think. That worries me that they're not saying that this is temporary. Yeah, it could be. And, you know, all of that, I mean,

I'm assuming they're working on a coronavirus vaccine at the same time they're doing all this. Yeah, we knew that two weeks ago. Okay. And they said it would be about a year, right? I think that was the estimate. I don't know. I don't remember. I didn't remember what it was.

So, I mean, the concern is they're not telling us a date because they don't want to scare it. They don't want to scare it even more. Well, I mean, they don't want people to say, well, I'm not living like this for a year. screw this. Well, I'll give you that as the concern. The concern is if you don't start putting some, you know, some dates on this thing as to when you can go back to living normally, at some point people are just going to say to hell with it. My chances of being exposed to it, you know, are less than 50-50.

Even if I'm exposed to it, my chances of developing symptoms or contracting it or a long shot, I'm going back to living my life. I'll give you a date. July 4th. That's when it's going to end. And the president's going to declare a patriotic celebration on that ending. And it'll just be a festival for everybody. And they'll announce that the conventions are on and we're into general election countdown.

Yep. July 4th, that's when it's going to end. So what are you going to do with no sports to write about potentially over the next days, weeks, months, or years? I literally am going to go back and try to recreate and write stories. about good things that happened in Washington sports. I don't know exactly what they're going to be. Just for some relief. Yes, I think I'm going to do the same thing.

Yeah, just to give people something other than to bang the drum that they hear 24-7 for the next couple of weeks. You know, think of something good. Here's something good to remember. I mean, there's plenty to pick from. I know, you know, maybe not recently, but, you know, the sports started before the 21st century. So there's plenty of pick from, so that's what I'm going to do.

You know, and unless something more drastic happens in the world of sports, I don't know what it could be, you know, the death of a sports figure, not necessarily a young player, but let's say an older team executive or an owner. Tom Hanks and his wife have it in Australia. Entertainers. And the only reason they know they had is because they have testing readily available in Australia. All right. Quick word about my bookie.g, which right now, there are going to be some sports you can bet. And you can bet on golf. And by the way, betting on golf is fun.

They usually do it head-to-head matchups, but you can bet on a player to win the tournament. but a lot of times, as Aaron knows, it's a head-to-head match-ups. So, you know, it's Fleetwood against McElroy, and there's odds on head-to-head. They may not be playing in the same group, but you'll take that round score, you know, compared to the other round score, and somebody is a money-line favorite. So, look, March Madness isn't dead yet. It hasn't, you know, it probably will be, but you've got conference tournament games maybe this weekend. And March is, you know, March is.

a month in which you used to be able to bet games. And again, we'll see what we can bet on and what we can't bet on. Here's the thing, though, if you're going to bet, my bookie is easy to use. They pay fast when you win, and they'll let you bet on anything. I guarantee you, don't you think, Aaron, that my bookie will have some coronavirus odds? You know, I have seen odds. Maybe over under on exposures, deaths. I have seen odds on when the NBA will resume.

I have seen odds on various other things. Yeah, well, that makes sense. You know, dates over-under is on number of days you'll be without the NBA. You can bet on anything at MyBooky.com. In all honesty, they're the ones you can trust, and there are a lot of those offerings and services that you can't. Use MyBooky.orgie.orgia as your sportsbook home. Use my promo code, Kevin, D.C., and you'll get a 50% bonus when you open up an account. That's MyBooky.ag promo code.

Kevin, D.C. So there's another tweet I want to read to you, Tommy, here from John Feinstein here in a second. And, you know, we're talking about, you know, what we're going to do. You know, I love your idea about, you know, sort of going back and recovering, if you will, some of the sporting events that have happened here. And I'm going to do some of that stuff on the radio show, too, as well. But with no sports on television at night or during the days on weekends, potentially. You know, a lot of people may take this opportunity, especially if they're hunkering down at home

to get caught up on a television show or movies or, you know, a book. So John Feinstein tweeted out, you know, just about an hour ago, if you can't go to the NCAA tournament and maybe if you can't watch it, do the next best thing. Read, the backroads to March. Shameless plug, he writes, you bet it's a shameless plug, but what the heck. I hear it's a real. good book. So there you go. Well, let me take that opportunity. How many books are you going to plug?

If you're a Redskins fan and you really want to relive the glory days, I would suggest you get a copy of Hale Victory and oral history of the Washington Redskins, which has detailed interviews with Redskins players all the way back, I might want to point out, maybe the only Redskins book you'll find with interviews with Sammy Baugh. in that book. And by the way, you don't have to go into a bookstore to get it because there aren't bookstores anymore. You can order it on Amazon for it. What's it going for now, Tom? Is it less than a buck? Oh, I think it's like $50 or $60 a copy now at least. Oh, okay.

No, I'm just kidding. I think it's like a five bucks or something like that. But really, I mean, if I may say so, I think it's the best book written about the Redskins. I tell you what, Here's how good a book it was. Dan Snyder, remember his old henchman, Carl Swanson? Yeah. He contacted me about a year after the book, and I thought I was going to get sued for something.

And he said that Snyder loved it, and he wanted to send me about a dozen copies to autograph for him to give out to people. Really? You've never told me that before? Yes. So did you do it? Yes, I did.

I was just happy not to be sued for something. Yeah, exactly. So there's one show that I've been meaning to get to in particular, and that is Better Call Saul Season 3, which I haven't watched. I just caught up on all the episodes for this season. And do you recommend it? Oh, highly. I like it a lot.

All right. So I've watched... You're really seeing the development of Saul Goodman now. and you're seeing all the characters from Breaking Bad come together. And there's a lot of good stuff with Mike early on. And I might want to point out, if you want to hear a great interview with Jonathan Banks, who plays that character. He's from here.

Yes, go back to the Cigars and Curve Balls Archives, my old podcast, and you can hear my interview with Jonathan Banks. It's a great interview if I may say so myself. Um, yeah. Well, Better Call Saul. Jonathan Banks? That's his name. That's who played Mike?

Yeah. Yeah, okay, right. Yeah, I knew that. And where is he from, he's from either here or Baltimore. Am I right about that or not? He's from D.C. He's from D.C. Yeah.

So we see Gus. Now, we saw, we saw, we saw Mike in the first two seasons of Better Call Saul. At what point do we see Gus? Gus? We saw him, I think. At the end of season two? You know, they were building the meth lab that he was going

to have, and he had all those Germans. I got to go back. It's been a year and a half since I finished up that second season. Anyway, here's the other thing. I'm going to recommend everybody. And I forget if you watch this

or Aaron watched it. Maybe both you did and you recommended it to me, but I finally got to it last weekend. Uncut Gems. Did you see that, Aaron? Yeah, I watched it. Tommy, did you see it? Adam Sandler? No, I have not. I have not seen it. You've got to watch it. It was so, so good. And Adam Sandler is brilliant in this movie. And he wasn't nominated for anything. Am I right about that? Yeah, there was, people were very, well, not surprised, but people thought he should have been nominated. Tommy, this is a good movie. Because, you know, know, it really works in the incredibly culturally diverse, you know, Manhattan Diamond District with, you know, degenerate, you know, gambling, you know, junkies and athletes like Kevin Garnett's

a big part of this movie. You will love this movie. I thought it was so well done. Hated the ending, but it was a well-done movie with a brilliant performance by Adam Sandler, who, I mean, you tell me, because I'm not a big Adam Sandler fan, Aaron. has he ever had this sort of dramatic of a role? He's had a few dramatic rules. Was it punch drunk love? I didn't see it. He's had a few over the years.

He's dipped his toes, and generally he gets pretty good reviews when he does. He's just known more as a comedy guy, though. But every so often he'll dip his toes into it. Tommy, worth it. It's your kind of movie, too. I think you would love it. I loved it. Let me just throw out a movie real quick.

that I'm going to recommend only because it's not like anything you've ever seen before. And I can't say it's good, but it's something. It's called Mother. I think I've heard about this. And what's her name? Who's the female actress who was in? Somebody told me about this. Yeah.

I forget her name. It's Jennifer. What's her face? Yeah. Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah, because my wife told me about this movie. I heard it was very good. Yeah.

Lawrence, Javier Bardem, Ann Harris, Michelle Pfeiffer. I don't know if it's good, but it's an experience. Okay. And I'd highly recommend it. There are some recommendations. Uncut Gems and Mother. And, you know, a couple of givens. Like, if you've never...

I had a friend of mine tell me the other day he's never watched Breaking Bad. Oh, come on, dude. Like, that's me with the wire. Like, I know I totally have missed out on the wire, and I'm going to get to it one of these days, but you've got to get to Breaking Bad. But we've given two movie recommendations. All right, I wanted to get to some sports here for a moment.

So there were several Redskins-related stories yesterday, which were interesting. I'm going to give you the first thing that I saw yesterday. It's the shortest. Albert Breer wrote a story about the Redskins and the interest potentially in Tua. He was then on the radio station yesterday with B. Mitch in Scotland as well. But in his story, in the comment section, there were a couple of questions that he answered. And I found one of the answers very interesting.

Somebody asked Albert Breer from the NFL network, right? Albert Breer or SI? I forget now. Albert Breer is SI. S.I. My fault. I think he took over... Mike Silver's NFL network.

He took over to Peter King, MMQB. That's right. I think. Yeah. So somebody asked Breer, is Washington really considering drafting Tua rather than drafting Chase Young? And Breer's answer was as follows.

He said, he said he talked to somebody close in the... He said one person there, I'm sorry, one person there, meaning in, at Redskins Park. One person there said to me, when I asked about kicking the tires

on Tuotunga Vailoa, they said, while Dwayne Haskins is on the roster, we have to make sure we're not passing on Michael Jordan. Closed quote. I thought that was interesting because it would seem

to sort of mean, that the Tua thing might be primarily for posturing, might be primarily just to find out if somebody wants to trade up what that team really, really is trading up for. But at the same time, if they interview this guy, if they work him out on his pro day, if he's healthy and clears all the medical, and they think he's the next Michael Jordan,

they can't pass on him with Sam Bowie on their team. You know? I agree. Sam Bowie was the ultimate, you know, number two pick of the Portland Trailblazers in 1984. And then Portland takes buoy because why? Because they had Clyde Drexler on the team. And so they already had a player at that position that they thought was really, really good.

Well, the problem with that is Jordan was much better than Drexler. And oh, by the way, could have played with Drexler at the same time. But you can't pass on Michael Jordan. And hopefully they're thinking that way. Like if they're blown away by this, they absolutely should consider this as a possibility. You know, if Burroughs there at number two, which I don't think he's going to be there at number two, but they should absolutely consider that as a possibility. And then there was this story in Sports Illustrated, at s.i.com written by Kalyn Kaler.

I don't know if that's a male or female or, you know, perhaps something else. I don't know who he or she is. But this person wrote about Tua to Washington, question mark, and then wrote a story where here's the money quote. Quote, I don't think this is from somebody familiar with the organization's thinking. Quote, I don't think Washington owner Dan Snyder would want that. He wants to give Haskins the opportunity, and I think Dan is infatuated with Chase Young.

closed quote. So that came out yesterday and got a bunch of attention as well. I'll let you respond first and then I'll respond. What do you make of that quote? Okay, well, let's go back to the first thing about what Albert Breer said. The problem with that is, it's too as medical, is more Sam Bowie than Michael Jordan. Really good point. Excellent point. You know, and to me, I'm not taking a chance on a guy with that medical history, no matter how tantalizing the talent may be. Joe Burroughs is a different story. If some miracle, he would become available.

But I'm not taking a chance on this guy based on his medical history. It's a hip. That's what your body sits on. Well, he's had three surgeries in 22 months, right? Two ankles and a hip. And I mentioned this last week when you weren't on, when some of this stuff came up. You know, if you're a college football fan like Aaron and I are,

and you watched all those SEC games over the last two years, inevitably, in every Alabama game on CBS, they went to the sidelines for Tracy Wolfson, who would be updating you on Tua's latest injury. He was always hobbling around, always injured. He had three surgeries in 22 months. Even if he's cleared medically, he's not being cleared from future injury. No.

No, I don't think you take that risk there. Now, the other thing is, and I talked about this with you, and I wrote a column about this, and this is just connecting the dots. This is not based on any information. But Ron Rivera was a great linebacker in college. He was an all-American linebacker at California. He came into the NFL and played linebacker on one of the greatest defenses in the history of the league

in the Chicago Bears. He was a defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at San Diego, various Philadelphia, various stops along the way. His mentors are Buddy Ryan and Jim

Johnson, the old defensive coordinator from the Philadelphia Eagles. Here you have Chase Young. We've been told is a generational defensive talent. I don't see Ron Rivera, who basically has played, who has lived defense's entire life. I know he's a head coach, and the Panthers drafted offensive guys, although we don't know how much input Ron Rivera had in that.

I just don't see a guy who was brought up on defense, whose whole life has been defense, is passing on a defensive player who he's been told. is a once-in-a-generation defensive player. I don't see that happening. I think it's real simple. They're going to draft Chase Young. I do too. I think for a lot of those reasons and more. And so you're completely avoiding, you know, answering or commenting on, you know,

this being, you know, another example of, well, this is what Dan wants to do so it's going to be done. You know, you're saying, well, this is what Ron Rivera is going to want to do. anyway, so it doesn't really matter because they're in agreement. And this is, you know, personally, I think, like the Todd, you know, and you and I disagree on this, like the Todd McShay thing from a week ago, I guess. To me, you know, a source familiar with the organization's thinking, I just think it's, I think the default answer when you think of the Redskins and you talk about the Redskins is that the owner is in charge, that the owner makes the decisions.

and the owner trumps everybody. And I think if you're not really following the day to day, that's just what you think, and that's sort of your default. But beyond that, what you just said is sort of what I would say has already been discussed. Like Ron Rivera didn't accept this job, and Dan Snyder didn't offer this job, without having conversations about A, Dwayne Haskins and what everybody thought about him, and B, what the plan was with number two in the draft. Like, this is pretty much, now, you know, hopefully Ron said to Dan, look, I like Haskins,

I've watched all the tape, we evaluated him as a first round pick a year ago at Carolina. He's my starting quarterback next year. But you, and I really like Chase Young, and I'm almost positive he's going to be our number two pick. But you have to understand something, and you have to commit to me that if I change my mind based on new or based on evaluating somebody that just blows us completely out of the water, that I have the ability to say, no, this is better for the long term, you know, winning possibilities and potential for the organization. So despite what we talked about in November and December and early January, we're going in this direction. You know, I hope he has that ability. But I think

Haskins and number two overall have already been discussed ad nauseum. And the reason he hired Rivera, and the reason Rivera accepted the job is they were on the same page? That's part of it. I think, yeah. I think, I think here we have a situation where the owner and the coach probably think alike on this. We don't know what would happen if they think differently. We really don't. Do you think Snyder would have hired Rivera? If in the interview, Rivera said, look, I really don't know about Dwayne. I'll give him a shot. I've watched. I've watched all the tape. We evaluated him pretty well coming out. I've watched all the games. I don't know him personally. I can't give you an answer on whether or not he's going to be our starting

quarterback next year. I can't give you an answer as to whether or not I'm going to want him on the roster next year. Are you okay with that? And Dan said, absolutely I'm okay with that. I want to hire you as the coach. Do you think that happened? What do you think the chances of that happening are? I think Dan Snyder wanted to win the coaching battle in the offseason. And Ron Rivera gave him a chance to do that. I think he wanted to hire the guy that Joe Gibbs wanted him to hire, which I think was Ron Rivera. And I think if he's the great salesman that you think he is,

that Dan Snyder is probably thinking, well, that's what Ron Rivera says now. He says, wait a we get him in the building, and he'll come around him my way of thinking. Am I wrong? If the answer was what I just described, I think that I think more likely than not he wouldn't have been hired. Okay. I think more likely than not, the attempt to sell him on Dwayne would have been a process before he actually made the hire. I think Dan Snyder was probably giddy that he had a chance to hire Ron Rivera. because what would have been plan B, Kevin? Marvin Lewis.

That would have really generated a lot of excitement. Well, I mean, you know, Ron Rivera didn't generate, you know, overwhelming excitement. It did with me, but not everybody. I sat there, took calls for a whole week. Half the people think he's overrated. He had a losing, you know, had more losing seasons than winning seasons. And, you know, I disagree with those that say he isn't a good coach. I think he's a good coach.

I think they overachieved. I think they outkicked their coverage in the hiring of Rivera. I don't know that Dan looked at Rivera as the huge win. I think he looked at him as, hey, this is a really good coach. Others are going to be interested, and it would be really good for us to hire him. But I don't think he would have done it at the expense of Ron Rivera saying to Dan, Dwayne's not the guy. What would it take?

What would it take for you to operate under the, premise that whenever you're predicting Dan Snyder behavior, you would operate under the lowest common denominator. What would it take? What would he have to do? I'm already there, but how is that relevant to what we're talking about right now? I'm suggesting that if Rivera had said, I'm not sure about Haskins, that the lowest common denominator would have been, I'm passing on this great coach because he doesn't agree. agree with me. And I'm, okay, I guess, you know, we, we agree in that sense because my lowest common denominator was that he just wanted to get Ron Rivera in the building, particularly

after Gibbs gave him the stamp of approval. And it really didn't matter what Ron Rivera said in the interview process. What would it take for me to convince you that when it comes to Dan Snyder and just the operation of this whole program that they're hard to predict occasionally? drafting two with the number two pick. What would it take for me to talk you out of the position that whatever they could do that would end up hurting them long-term in the organization, they'll do? Oh, I mean, I don't know. Five years of no self-inflicted wounds?

Now let's get to the Rob Ryan stuff. Rob Ryan was on with Colin Cowherd on Colin Cowherd's TV show on Fox. Aaron? Yes, I believe it's Fox. This is Rob Ryan, the dopey linebackers coach, who predicted before the season started that he had a top five defense, or at least talented enough to be a top five defense. And it ended up being one of the worst defenses in the NFL. This is what Rob Ryan said when he was at.

asked about Dwayne Haskins. Would you move off Dwayne Haskins? I'll tell you what, now that'll be interesting because, you know, last year the Redskins, you know, were invested in Haskins. He was a little later in the first round. They picked him up. So it's not like he was the first guy taking in the draft. But there's a big investment there.

And the young man wasn't ready early. Like, he really wasn't. You saw him at practice. Oh, yeah. I saw him at practice. He's a good kid. He's got a big arm. Big arm.

A lot of talent. but definitely not ready for the rigors of the NFL. Not ready for the rigors of the NFL. Good kid, big arm, not ready for the rigors of the NFL. Here's the second part. Here's the follow-up question from Cowherd and Rob Ryan's response. As the Redskins were unraveling, as they're prone to do at the end of the year, he got slightly better.

Did he impress you? Yeah, he did. I tell you, he got a lot better from when he was thrown in the games. I remember in New York, it was awful. He wasn't ready. He threw him in the game, and it wasn't fair to the kid. He just wasn't ready. So at least each week I saw him trying to get better.

I saw him trying to meet with Tim Rete, who's a real fine coach now at Oklahoma State. He was trying to get better. Now, is he NFL ready? No, not even close. And there is really the headline part of it. Is he NFL ready? No, not even close.

do I put any stock in what Rob Ryan says about Dwayne Haskins? Go ahead, Tommy. You can actually answer that first. Well, I think, look, I don't know if he's, except for the last part, the key part, the money quotes. I think everything he said up to that point was pretty accurate. I mean, lots of people have said that when he first got there, he wasn't ready for the rigors of the NFL. That's been the storyline that, you know, they, you know, Basically, he didn't put in the work, and then he got better at it.

And then he got better as the season went on. All that seems to be accurate. So if all that is accurate, I'm going to figure that what he said at the end is probably right, even if it is Rob Ryan. Because everything you said before that, I think it's basically true. So you think he's right that he's not NFL ready, not even close? Look, I don't know that. I think if that's Rob Ryan, I think Rob Ryan is credible in saying that based in the context of almost everything else he said was, I think, probably accurate.

I think it's an interesting comment. He is, you know, far from a genius in terms of the way people view him. But he's been a longtime coach in this league. He's been a defensive coordinator, not very successful, you know, more times than not. but he has made a living, you know, evaluating offenses and preparing for offensive football teams week in and week out. And he was in the building and was out on the field for, you know, Dwayne's rookie season, start to finish. I think he probably believes that to be true. I don't know.

I mean, I sort of feel like ultimately what I watched was a guy that actually was playing the position pretty well. well at the end of last year. Hold on, Aaron's got breaking news. Big Ten tournament is canceled. Big Ten tournament canceled. There we go. God, I wanted to see Marilyn play Michigan State Saturday. Let's get back to Rob Ryan real quick. Yeah. As an aside, and you'll find this interesting,

I'm going for the Rob Ryan look. Seriously? I'm letting my hair grow out. Really? Have you ever had your hair grown out? Like, you were, you were sort of a 60s guy? Were you a hippie? I wasn't a hip.

I wasn't necessarily hippie, but my hair was pretty long in the early 70s when I was going to school in Miami. It wasn't shoulder length because my hair is real curly. But it was pretty long. I'll show you a picture sometime of me back in like 73, 74. It was pretty wild. pretty long. So what's prompting this? Why do you want to do this? The coronavirus. Actually, that might create more of an opportunity, you know, to be exposed to catch it.

No, I think my hair was... Somebody coughs in your general direction. They could miss everything, but with long hair, they might catch part of your hair. And you'll be running your fingers through your hair all the time. And you always put your fingers in your mouth. So I would keep it short and tight. I were you. Well, not me, buddy. I'm going long. I'm going to Rob Ryan.

Look. I just texted my son about the Big Ten tournament being called off, and he just hit me with, you know, an F, the F word in capital letters, and said, we can't even improve our seating now. And I'm going to text him back going saying, seating, seating, seating for what? Are you out of your mind? You know, look, I know in the scheme of things, it's not important, but of all years for this to happen, a year they were Maryland could have actually competed for a spot in the final four. I know. Of all years.

I know. But, you know, so here's a sports analogy for you. So Turgeon's had all this pressure on him and, you know, how he was going to perform in the tournament was, you know, going to sort of leave an impression one way or the other, right? If he got to the second weekend with a Big Ten regular season title, people would say, a pretty good year for Turgeon. The best one yet. If he got knocked out in the first weekend, forget about it. Now that this tournament, more likely than not, won't get played. It's Mark Mosley against the Cowboys in 1979. The ACC's called off to. It's Mark Mosley, Tommy, 1979, one of the greatest regular season games in

NFL history. The Cowboys come back from 34 to 21 down. Roger Stauback, two touchdown drives, 35, 34, final day of the season in 1979. The Redskins go from being potentially the number one seed to being out of the playoffs all together. The Cowboys win the division. The Redskins go home. And on the final play of that game, Thysman hit Don Warren over the middle to the cowboy 40-yard line, about the 41-yard line. Two seconds on the clock, they're screaming for timeout. They never give them the time out. Back then, timing was imprecise. There was no tenth of seconds. There was no replay to go back to see if time should be put on the clock. They waved it off. It was Dallas's timekeeper. The game ended.

And Mark Mosley during that whole offseason said, I would have made that kick. It would have been a 58-yarder. But if I had been on that field, if they had stopped that clock and put those two seconds back on, I would have made that kick and we would have won that game and we would have won the division and gone on to win the Super Bowl. So now Turgeon can say, God, I had my team coming off that Michigan game playing our best ball. I think we would have made a run to the final four. Look, they can't, they can't blame you for what didn't happen, can they? No. All right. What, you know, what a day. And I'm sure we got another one coming up here.

as leagues are certain to call everything off. And I would think that by the end of today, I don't know, we're still a week. Well, the first four would be Tuesday night. They may wait to cancel that for a day or two. I think they might. I think they might. You know, because what if they were to cancel it today

and it comes out over the weekend that, like, miraculously, we're seeing these cases start to peak now or something like that. That's why they're shutting down the tour. This is all a last-ditch effort to say, all right, if we send all of these teams home right now, nobody contracts it. Maybe we can try to have the tournament. I don't think it'll happen. Aaron, I don't think they're shutting down this tournament because they're trying to save next week.

I think they're shutting down the tournament because they've been told they got to shut down the tournament. You can't have, you know, and because we're just waiting now on a potential positive test. They may not cancel the NCAA tournament today, but I would. would imagine it's going to happen. Again, maybe what they're hoping for is some, you know, encouraging news from our health people. All right. Last word is about stamps.com. Look, now you definitely don't want to go to the post office, all right?

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And once we get through all of this coronavirus stuff, if the games aren't being played, we're going to talk a lot about some of those great games that were played, you know, and go back and relive some happy times. We'll certainly do some of that. You know, look, there's still going to be a draft that, you know, at some point there's going to be an NFL draft. At some point, there's going to be NFL free agency. At some point, the NBA season more likely than that will resume. At some point, you'll have an opening day. There's still going to be things

to look forward to. But as of now, stay healthy, wash your hands, drink water, and bathe. All right? Have a great day. Stay healthy. Thanks, Tommy, for jumping on today. Back tomorrow.