The Kevin Sheehan Show - Super Bowl Blowout + Jayden On Aiyuk

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

Kevin opened with his recap of Seattle's blowout Super Bowl 60 win over New England. Jay Gruden jumped on with his analysis of the Seahawks rout of the Patriots. Kevin reacted to Jayden Daniels publicly stating that he wants Brandon Aiyuk with the Commanders. Kevin finished up with a mea culpa on one of his SB Trivia questions. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. And they bring pressure as well. When you're going to pressure and he'll shoot in the lawsuit. He's going the distance for a touchdown.

Seattle's defense was suffocating all night long. In New England, not only couldn't do anything about it, the Patriots actually appeared as if they chose to do nothing about it. This show's presenting sponsor, as always, Window Nation. 86690 Nation, windownation.com if you need new windows. I asked Jay Gruden to come back on the show today. Jay was with me on Friday. We both pick New England to cover and we both pick New England to win outright.

Not our best effort, that's for sure. But I wanted Jay to come back on the show today just to explain why the Patriots seeming had zero chance in that game. He'll join me in the next segment. Jaden Daniels would like Adam Peters to go out and get Brandon Ayyuk. He actually said that on Friday. I'll play it for you on the show and react. And I'm really embarrassed about something and it has nothing to do with the picks that I gave out this weekend.

New England plus the four and a half. was the smell test pick. And then on yesterday's show, I did a show yesterday on Super Bowl Sunday, I gave you two prop bets that I liked and that I had played. Drake May's under rushing total of 35 and a half yards. And Walker the 3rds receiving yards under 21 and a half. Neither one of those worked out well. I was 0 for 3, 0 for 1 on the smell test.

officially. But on the two prop bets I gave out, neither one of those worked either. So it was a rough pick weekend. But that's not what I'm embarrassed about, even though I should be. I'm embarrassed about completely wrecking one of my Super Bowl trivia questions from last week on radio, a question that I gave the answer to on the show yesterday, but several of you pointed out that it was the wrong answer and you were correct. I'll fess up to the mistake at the end of today's show. The 2025-2020s6 NFL season is now officially over. No real football now until August 29th when Bill Belichick's North Carolina Tar Heels head to Dublin to take on the TCU Hornfrogs. That's the next real football game. I don't count preseason NFL games as real

football games. Look, when we get to those preseason games in early August, we'll love that football's back on TV, but I don't really count that. And so really what we have is 29 weeks and counting until that game kicks off the college football season and what's referred to as week How about 30 and a half weeks, precisely 213 days until the NFL kicks off its next regular season, and it'll be in Seattle on Thursday night, September 10th. I think I mentioned this last week or the week before, but the following line I love, and it's become so true in sports. Colin Cowherd said it on his radio show years ago.

He said, in sports now, there's football season, and then there's waiting for football season. And we're at the very beginning, unfortunately, of that second season, which is waiting for football season. I mean, we do have free agency coming up in the draft, of course, that'll keep us interested. But there's really nothing like real games and the NFL. college football seasons. And look, the last game of this just-completed season was a beatdown. Seattle 29, New England 13, and Super Bowl 60. Seattle's second Super Bowl victory, franchise-wise.

By the way, did you know that Seattle now, in this century since 2000, has more playoff wins than any other NFC team. I would have never guessed that. I would have guessed somebody like Philadelphia or San Francisco or maybe Green Bay. Seattle's won more playoff games this century than any other NFC team. And look, they've only been in the NFC essentially for this century. The final score, 29 to 13, uh, And the stats, the final stats, did not really reflect how mismatched these two teams were. What a beat down, what a blowout this game was. Did you guys see the final yardage numbers?

They're almost identical. The Seahawks had 335 yards. The Patriots had 331 yards. The 331 yards for that Patriots offense. is so misleading. I mean, Drake May finished the game with 295 yards passing. I'm not sure a quarterback stat line has ever been more misleading than that, because he was truly awful in the football game.

This was a major blowout that was highlighted by Seattle's brilliant defensive play and New England's impotent offensive play. This was annihilation through and through, highlighted by Seattle's pass rush and New England's lack of answers for it. This was total destruction of the Patriots by the Seahawks, a game that even though it was just at halftime, nine to nothing, it felt so over. New England was shut out by Seattle through three quarters, first time that has happened. since I think 78.

But New England was shut out by Seattle through three quarters of play. And the Patriots through three quarters of play managed just 78 yards on 10 drives. 78 on 10 drives. Now, one of those drives really shouldn't count. It was the kneel down at the end of the first half. So if you throw that out, nine drives, their first nine, drives, which took them through the end of the third quarter,

79 total yards. Eight punts and one fumble. Eight punts, one fumble on their first nine drives through three quarters of the game, a game that was basically over at the end of the third quarter if it wasn't over at half time. That's what the Patriots offense was able to generate. against Seattle in three quarters. I mean, Seattle's defense was swarming.

I mean, it was great all year, with the exception, really, of the final two games that they played against the Rams, the one in Week 16 on a Thursday night, I think it was Week 16, the 38 to 37 game, and then, of course, the championship game from two weeks ago yesterday. I mean, think about this for a moment,

especially after what we watched last night. after what we watched not only last night, but against San Francisco in week 18 and the divisional round. The Seattle defensive dominance against the Patriots and the 49ers twice. But you have these other two games against the Rams in which Matt Stafford, in two games against that defense, threw for 831 yards and six touchdowns, 831.31. and six touchdowns against that defense. Plus, no picks in one sack. I mean, that's almost impossible after what we watched last night.

I think one thing's very clear about the season that is now completed. The two best teams in the league were easily the two best teams in the league, and they were Seattle one, Rams two. I'm not even sure who number three would be. It would not be New England. It might be Buffalo, Denver, Jacksonville, the way they were playing at the end of the year.

Chicago? No, come on. I mean, that's my point there, is that it's hard to even come up with who number three is. The top two, so obvious. And if not for a muffed fumble in the NFC championship game, I think the Rams would have been hoisting the Lombardi last night instead of C. Seattle. But man, that Seattle defense. And we saw it up close and personal in early November when they came to Northwest Field and absolutely pummeled Washington's offense. And there was a lot of hysteria around how bad Washington's offense was. I mean, we know two things about that game now. Number one, Seattle's defense was legit dominant. And number two, Washington didn't have enough players on the field that knew what they were doing. I mean, it was Robbie.

chosen Trey Berks in his first game. The uniforms looked great that night. That was the debut of the championship alt, which I think is going to become permanent. I did see the tweet from the team looking ahead to 2026 with the shot of the team coming out in their championship uniforms out of the tunnel with the helmet, with the W on it. And with a logo with two spears, don't ask me about the two spears. I don't know. I know the uniform thing.

I told you about that. I think before anybody else did in, you know, like October of 2024, that this is the plan. They're going to wear them as alts in 2025. And then the plan is to eventually make them permanent. Maybe it'll be permanent in 2026. I know that there were league rules. But that's where they're headed. And I'm happy about that.

But, yeah, we saw Seattle's defense in all of its glory as it was building through this regular season. and they were a complete football team. I mean, I remember before the game in November saying, why aren't they a better running football team with Kenneth Walker the 3rd and Zach Charbonnet? And they became a team that could run the football towards the end of the year. And then obviously through the postseason, Kenneth Walker, the 3rd was outstanding last night, totally deserving of the MVP. I mean, I've been a big fan of his since Michigan State.

I love the patience, the vision. I mean, he was Levyon-Bell-esque last night with some of the patience on those runs. And I think his edge runs early were massive. But that team was complete. The special teams were outstanding. Number one special teams unit in the NFL per DVOA. Actually, number two, excuse me. The Jets were one.

Seattle was two and Washington was three. But how about the game from Jason Myers last night, five for five, a Super Bowl record? and how about Michael Dixon the punter? I mean, he punted seven times the game that they won going away, which tells you something about just the nature of how both teams played it. And three of them were inside the 20, I think two of them inside the five. He was brilliant in the game. But just a complete team and a deserving Super Bowl winner.

That is for sure. So a few things about the game more specifically. First of all, let me just say this. I was not bored by the game. I thought the game was interesting from a strategic standpoint, both teams, but especially New England. And I enjoyed watching Seattle's defense. I mean, their defensive backs in particular,

I mean, it's amazing to watch them in their, you know, nickel and dime sub-packages, which are really played much more than their base because they just have five, six guys that can all run and hit and tackle. It's fun to watch. So I thought the strategy that New England employed in this game last night was interesting

because it very much mirrored what they did against Denver in the AFC championship game. They played the game not to lose. There was nothing aggressive about the game on offense. And they felt like their best way of winning last night's game was to not let their offense lose the game. Now, it worked against Denver.

Denver had a backup quarterback. They figured that Jarrett Stidham would make a mistake. He did deep in his own territory. That led to the one touchdown in the game. And they never put the ball in harm's way offensively, and they were fine, punching. you know, eight, nine, ten times, whatever it was in that championship game. And they got through it against a backup quarterback.

Well, they kind of came with the same strategy because their defense was playing very well. And they were okay with punning the football, playing field position, and waiting for Sam Darnold to do what Jared Stidham did. And that is make the killer mistake or two. And he never did. Part of the reason he never did is for that strategy to work last night. They had to stop the run. They had to stop the run like they did against Denver and legitimately put the game on Darnold

and hope that he would make the key mistake. You know, Darnold led the league quarterback-wise in overall turnover count during the regular season. He did not turn the ball over at all during the postseason. In fact, Seattle became the first team in NFL history to win the Super Bowl and not commit a turnover in the postseason. I found that to be an unbelievable stat. I would have considered the possibility of a handful of teams having done it because turnover margin and protecting the footballs become so important over the years. But the first team to ever win it all and not turn the ball over in the postseason. Well, New England clearly thought their best chance.

was with their defense to, you know, make Sam Darnold make the big mistakes, take advantage of them, and win, you know, maybe not 10 to 7, but win 16 to 13 or 17 to 12 or 14 to 13 or that's what their plan was because they couldn't have been more conservative offensively. They couldn't have been more joyous to punt the football rather than, you know, make a mistake on offense. But again, they had to start. stop the run for Darnold to feel the kind of pressure that in the past has turned him into, you know, a bit of a mistake machine. And they didn't stop the run.

You know, Kenneth Walker, 27 carries, 135 yards, five yards per carry, really got the edge over and over again, especially early in the game. And that led to some of those field goals. And you saw Seattle playing it super conservative as well. maybe like after the first drive because there were a couple of throws there by Darnold early that were near catastrophic. Like you could see New England playing aggressively.

Like if they're going to throw the football, we can actually make something happen here. And how good was Christian Gonzalez, by the way? Yes, of course I thought about Emmanuel Forbes going a pick before Christian Gonzalez. But they didn't stop the run. Darnold got past, those close calls early.

They were okay, punting the ball as well in playing field position, but when they got a couple of plays offensively from Walker, they were able to turn those into field goals. And look, the strategy for New England in many ways didn't change until, you know, the fourth quarter because the score wasn't out of hand. It was six to nothing late into the second quarter, nine to nothing at halftime. And I still think into the third quarter, Vrable was like, we can't do anything against their defense. With our offensive line issues, Will Campbell, the left side, major problem. 14 pressures Will Campbell allowed in the game.

29 for the postseason records since they started keeping pressure numbers. He was abysmal in the game. I'll get to Drake May in a moment. They still, you know, into the third quarter, very late in the third quarter, thought, okay, nine to nothing, okay, 12 to nothing. If we just can get Sam Darnold to make a mistake. And they, you know, they punted that ball well too. Seattle had some poor field position. All they needed was one mistake.

There was a sack where he dropped the ball going to the ground. That would have been, you know, the play that could have jumped started them. But just a fascinating strategy. in this day and age of got to be aggressive. Certainly when you get to the red zone, got to score touchdowns. We saw Seattle not care about touchdowns. We're okay kicking field goals

because that other team can't score against our defense. And as long as we don't commit big mistakes, we're going to win this game. And New England felt like if we don't make big mistakes, they will and we'll have a chance to win the game. Well, it turned out that I think the big difference was a couple of those big Kenneth Walker, the third runs,

led to field goals and eventually led to more field goals. And then that really killed the strategy because you never got Darnold into that, have to throw, have to make a play, never got them into that mode. I did think it was interesting that New England didn't seem to try anything new. You know, the one touchdown that they had to make it 19 to 7, and by the way, what's Rable doing? You have to go for two. It's the fourth quarter.

There are only a few possessions left in the game. You've got to be able to do that math. And he's been one of my favorites with clock management, game management, but what was he doing? I mean, I mean, 15-year-olds, 8-year-olds that play Madden. Understand down 19-0, you score, you've got to go for two to cut it to 11. There's no difference between 197 and 196. You still need two touchdowns.

There's no downside to missing the two-point-eastern. conversion. There's only upside by converting it in that spot. I didn't understand that at all. But I thought there were some things that they could have done that they didn't do. Where was the quick game? Where was the getting them out of the pocket? Where was his, you know, extending and moving quickly to extend before the pressure got there? I thought some empty set where May could see it, because there's no doubt that he struggled to see it last night. That same blitz with the slot blitz with Witherspoon. I don't know how they didn't know that that was it and throw to somebody hot.

They ran a six-man offensive line once or twice and had some success with it, but that was it. I just didn't, I understood why ultimately it took them a while to eventually just start chucking the ball all over the field. I mean, they were down 19 to nothing at that point. but why not try some quick game? Why not screens? Where were some of those things? There were a couple of bootlegs. They weren't working.

Look, I don't know if anything would have worked. Six men, O-Line, helping Will Campbell, trying to run the football, play action. They never tried anything new. You know, I was thinking, I'm going to get to Drake May in a moment. I was thinking about the Philly defense last year, because I said in the moment, I think it was the most dominant defense in the Super Bowl that I had seen since the Bears in 85 against the Patriots. And a lot of people were saying the same thing about Seattle's defensive performance last night.

I think Phillies was better last year. And I'll tell you why. Because they were playing Kansas City and Mahomes, and the Chiefs weren't trying to punt as many times as they ended up punting. They weren't conservative. They weren't playing not to lose against Philadelphia. and the Chiefs did not cross midfield until midway through the third quarter in that game. That was another game where the final statistics and the final score were not reflective of what a beat down it was. I think Philadelphia's defense was more impressive last year, but I'm not taking anything away from how dominant Seattle's was.

But New England was not, you know, the opponent that Kansas City was. And Kansas City had O-line issues too, which was part of their point. problem. And not to mention the fact that, again, Seattle's defense did give up like a lot of points and a lot of yards to the Rams twice. Philadelphia's defense at the end of last year, except in their games, with the exception of their games against Washington, which were not, you know, Rams like against Seattle, but they were just so dominant. So I'll finish up this opening segment of the show with Drake May, the New England Patriots quarterback, you may have heard of them. Around these parts, as many of you know, there's been a conversation going on for, I don't know,

two months maybe, maybe a little bit longer. Ever since, you know, Drake May entered the MVP conversation, people have suggested that Washington made a big mistake that they should have taken Drake May at number two in the 2024 draft, not Jaden Daniels. Chicago fans probably have had a similar debate, but not as much as Washington fans this year because Jaden Daniels was hurt and Drake May was on his way to potentially winning an MVP. By the way, just as an aside, really happy he didn't win the MVP. He was, you know, one vote short, one first place vote short of Matt Stafford. It's a regular season award, I understand that.

But can you imagine if he had. won the MVP and then played the way he's played during the playoffs, it would look silly. Even though it is a regular season award, it still would look pretty silly had he won it. It kind of looks silly that he was the runner-up, but again, regular season award. Look, there's no way getting around this. Drake May was objectively terrible in the Super Bowl game last night, and he had one of the worst post-season and NFL quarterback has ever had. I'm sure you've seen the numbers by now.

Here are a few of them. Just last night, 10 off-target passes career high, sacks six times tied for a career high, committed three turnovers when pressured career high. In the last 10 years, there have been 33 quarterbacks to make at least three starts in a given postseason. Drake May's playoff performance among that sample ranks dead last, according to EPA per play.

In this four-game postseason, he completed 58% of his passes. He had six passing touchdowns, four interceptions, and seven fumbles, the 11 total turnovers and NFL playoff record. He got sacked 21 times in four playoff. games, another NFL postseason record. And his EPA per dropback in the Super Bowl game itself was the sixth worst since 2000. He was terrible last night. And he wasn't the only one terrible last night. That offensive line was a train wreck. Will Campbell a train wreck. And look, I don't think Josh McDaniels, a great offensive coordinator. I think that they kind of had their marching

orders to not put the game on Drake May, not put the game on the offense, don't make any mistakes, let us hang in there, and let's wait for Darnold and Seattle to make the mistakes. But I think they could have done more to help him out. But he was dreadful, truly dreadful. And everybody knows that the Patriots played one of the easiest regular season schedules in recent history. and then played four of the very best defenses in a row in the postseason. But there's no question, right, at this point, that his excellent MVP caliber regular season was influenced by an easy schedule. We now know that to be fact,

because when he played four excellent teams and four excellent defenses, he completely soiled himself. And I think the big concern, and I'm going to get to the positive on him in a moment, I think the big concern with last night is how he didn't battle back. There wasn't any gamer in him last night. Where was the Drake May we saw during the regular season running, even in the Denver game, running, using his legs, getting outside of the pocket, trying to make something happen. I know that he was hurt and he took a pain injection, etc.

It happened at the end of the Denver game. he said it didn't bother him. That was a big thing is the pressure came and he just sat there and took it and just went down. Held it time and time again and just went down. I don't think he had a lot of places to go with the ball. You know, that's true. But, you know, we've seen him make plays off schedule. Try to make plays off schedule.

Last night had to be an off schedule game and he didn't make it an off schedule game. Just an abysmal postseason performance. from Drake May. And again, I think other than the actual abysmal performance, last night was disturbing because there didn't seem to be enough fight, you know,

enough of what we've seen him do before, like in the Denver game. It could have been in part because the game was kind of over, but whatever. Now, with all of that said, I watched him this year. So did many of you. I think he's good.

I think he's really good, and I think he'll get better. He's only played two seasons and only one season with this particular group. I'm not making judgment on his career based on this postseason. I think there will be a time that he'll have good postseason games and we'll all say remember his first time in the playoffs, how bad it was. I think he's got a lot of what it takes to be a really good quarterback. And when this debate's come up, I've said, I think they're both going to be good. I think Caleb, you can add him to the list. I think all three

of them are going to be really, really good. I'll take Jaden. I've always said that. I think Jaden does everything a little bit better than Drake, and I think he's a more dynamic athlete. Of course, health is a big deal, understood. And those that would say, I'll take Drake

May, because I think he's going to be healthier, more, I think he's going to be available more. Okay. I mean, again, Jaden's only season in his football playing career where he wasn't available was this season. This was the aberration, not the norm. Let's hope it doesn't become the norm. But I've just thought, you know, Jaden overall, I liked him more coming out. I still like him more, but I was blown away impressed with how good Drake May was this year. I knew what they were playing against, but still, big arm, big dude, can make every throw, makes throws with touch, can playoff schedule,

super mobile, super, you know, durable, I guess, even though he takes a lot of sacks and a lot of hits. I think the one thing you saw last year and this year, he does hold it too long. Sometimes he doesn't see it as quickly, but he can grow and get better at that. I think he's going to be a really good quarterback. But I also know he had an absolute horrendous, historically awful postseason. Both of those things are true. And, you know, for those of you that got into comparing Jaden's only postseason to Drake Maysnell only postseason, they're not comparable.

Jaden was a much better postseason player, his rookie year, than Drake was in year two. But I think these guys are going to have plenty of opportunities. And who knows, maybe Jaden's next postseason won't be as good as his first. but Jaden strapped the team to his back and carried them to 12 regular season wins and two playoff wins on the road against heavily favored teams on the road, or certainly the Detroit Lions were, and actually played pretty well in the NFC championship game. It was their defense and the turnovers, not by him, that hurt them more than anything else.

but Jaden was outstanding in the playoffs last year. He didn't have to play the defenses. Drake May played, but Drake May was truly horrible. He really was. There's no other way to put it. And there really was like, I was rooting for him in the Patriots last night because I had the Patriots plus four and a half. I had him on the money line.

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call them at 86690 Nation. All right, I asked Jay to come back on with me today. Friday's usually the Jay Day during football season, but we're adding another Jay Gruden Day to the show because I need somebody to explain to me whether or not there was something that Patriots could have done rather than just take the beating that they took. You and I both liked New England plus the points on the show Friday. We both picked them to win outright, not our best. The list I'm sure is long, but let's start with where did we go wrong? That's a great question. You know, I think watching New England play in the last few weeks,

I guess they did it with some smoking mirrors. They played against a backup quarterback in Denver. Their offense hasn't been playing very well, but I thought throughout the course of the year they showed clashes. I thought in the game, the Super Bowl, they lacked speed. I think, you know, you're talking about the receiving core booty and the other guys. Douglas, Hunter Henry. They didn't really have any juice.

Stevenson didn't look like he was running. some of the play designs were a little awkward. Some of the protection schemes weren't up to par. Drake May didn't have much confidence. Romando Stevenson couldn't bail them out with any big plays in a running game. So they were really strapped from start to finish. You know, you can really tell start of the game. They went three and out.

I think then they had three possessions after the half, where they got settled in at halftime, an extra long, half time to talk about what they're going to do, and they went three out, three out, three out, three now. That's hard to do when you have that much time and supposedly that goes on offense. but offensive line-wise, they were atrocious. Will Campbell was terrible.

The rookie left guard was bad. Morgan didn't play that much better. Bradbury didn't play that good either. They've got their ass-wipped all across the board. So they were overmatched, and we did not see it. We were poor pickers in that game. Yeah. It was an ass-whip.

I mean, one of the things that I talked about was, because you and I talked briefly about the Denver AFC title game, where basically the Patriots played not to lose. They put the game on their defense and on the idea that Jarrett Stidham would make a mistake, and that's all they would need in the game, and they won that way. And I thought they did the exact same thing in the game last night. They decided they were going to play it conservatively. They were going to play field position.

They weren't going to let Drake May commit any big errors. And because the game was like 6-0, 9-0, it was never out of hand really until late in the third quarter, they sort of stuck with that. I'm wondering if you thought the same thing, and then at what point do you start trying something new? Yeah, I don't know. They tried a couple of shot plays. They tried to play action Hunter Henry.

He dropped it. He threw it behind them. Drake missed a couple of other plays. He tried some deeper throws. They got stacked. Ellis came right up the middle and backed them. You know, they had the three fumbles, two interceptions and the fumble,

very close together, which put the game out of reach. So I think McDaniel, Coach McDanielsaintil was just trying to be conservative and then take a occasional shot. But really, Seattle, if you watch the film, Seattle had these guys go up. There was nowhere to go. And then Drake would have to pat his feet. And if he patted his feet for more than a second or two, he was sacked or he was running out of the pocket, scrambling for dear life. And there was really, you know, I can't find a lot of guys open on tape except like five or six seconds after the plate was over. Guys were started to let people run free.

But it was a great game planned by Seattle's defense and not so much by New York. England. So would you attribute the final result more to Seattle's defense just dominated? There was nothing that could be done about it, or New England's offense just didn't do enough, and there are things that they could have done? Yeah, a little bit of both, really. They did dominate. They took the outside lanes away. The corners, despite showing a lot of cover, too, they were latching on to the receivers. And so all the hook players were just kind of free taking deep drops, and they had protection over the top. And nobody was getting free. And, you know, like I said, they didn't really attack the middle of the field like they needed to.

And then offensive line couldn't hold up. If they did have some guys open deeper down the middle of the field, they couldn't get to them because the old line couldn't hold up for any time whatsoever. Will Campbell, like I said, was terrible. Left Guard was terrible. Bradbury was terrible. It's hard to call plays when you know you've got to check second level to defense, but you don't have time to get the receiver down to the second level.

The receivers aren't fast enough to get down there. I was surprised Kyle Williams didn't play more. He supposedly ran like a 4-2 at the combine. I didn't see them out there early at all. Booty looked like he had exercise, the shoulder pads on. He couldn't really run. Diggs was non-existent. And Hunter Henry, like I said, he had a couple of catches late, but I don't know where he was.

So very difficult to call plays. I've been in those situations with some injuries to keep people when you don't have the weapons outside and you don't have internal people to get open and your running games not working very well and your own line is not playing very well. It is a tough day, and it was a tough day for New England. What about Quick game? What about Quick game from Empty Set, where Drake May can see it a little bit more, and you've got more receivers and the ball has to come out.

Tried a couple empties, and they blips the hell out of them, and Drake had to throw it away a couple times. They tried to slant the bootie, and he missed the throw and almost killed booty on the slant to the hook player. They tried some quick game. The thing was, Seattle kind of knew they were clamping on the quick stuff. They were making them throw the ball deeper down to the second level, the daggers, the deep ends, the curl. They got to curl the booty one time. They got the go route finally to Matt Collins for touchdown late in the game. The game was out of hand.

But, I mean, they did a great job of clamping down and really no separation whatsoever. But you're right, they could have tried something else. I think they were just afraid the left tackle couldn't hold up in protection when you empty everybody out. He's getting run by like a turnstile. One of the things we've seen a lot of in the last few years, and I forget how much of this you went to when you were here. but we've seen a lot of six offensive linemen in football this year. And I thought I saw it on at least one or two plays. And I actually think one of the play action successful plays was with six

offensive linemen in the game. Is that an answer to the issues they were having up front or not? Yeah, there's a possibility. If the running game is a little bit better, then you can have some max play action three-level type throws. You take some shot, let them set of feet, man. Get away from the defense. defense align a little bit with some protection.

I mean, that would have been nice for Drake. I think every time he went back to the past, he just felt pressure at his face or around his backside or whatever it was. So, yeah, sometimes you can alleviate that with an extra tight end in there, have a six, seven-man protection, good, hard play action, fake to hold the defense alignment a little bit, and get out there and try to let some of those guys go free down the field. But they didn't really try anything like that.

After watching Seattle's defense last night, Jay, and against the 49ers. Explain to me how Matt Stafford and the Rams offense in their final two games against Seattle, including in the NFC championship game, how did Stafford throw for 831 yards, six touchdowns, and not get picked once and get sacked only once?

How did that happen? Yeah, I don't think the Rams' offensive line is that overpowery either. You know, that's the beauty of it. I think Sean did a great job of designing some plays and getting Devante free and Pooka, obviously. I think those two receivers are much better than any receivers in New England has. That's a big part of it, but they utilize the tight ends a little bit,

and obviously the running backs out in the backfield and some passes as well. There were some areas to attack Seattle defense last night. They just didn't really try. You know, they didn't try to really get the backs out there in the space to get the linebacker, Hunter Henry out there on a safety or a linebacker. I was very surprised about that because, you know, the corners were pretty much latching on playing man to Mayo Safety help over the top. It's hard, you know.

So there's some areas that work just. New England couldn't figure it out. Who's the most impressive player defensively for Seattle, or who was last night? I mean, there were a bunch of them, but did anybody stand out? What I like about Seattle's defense is they do it with a lot of different people. I mean, there's six-seven deep on the defensive line. They had guys rotating in and playing well.

The linebacker Ernest Jones played extremely well. The rookie safety is all over the place. The corner is held up extremely well. I don't think you can really put your finger on one guy, because they really play well as a team. They're well coached. They're in the right spot. They don't give up big plays.

They hustle. They tackle well. They force turnovers. And that is a group effort. That's what you have to have as far as when you have a great defense. It's got to be 11 guys doing what they're supposed to do at playing extremely hard. And that's what Seattle does play in and play out. It seems awfully hard to do it because not everybody can have this kind of personnel.

When you're in one of those sub-packages, you're a nickel or even dime, and your five or six defensive backs run and hit and tackle that well. That is an unbelievable luxury, isn't it? It is. Very similar. Texas were like that towards the end of the year. Right. With their sub packages, they could do the same thing.

You get after the quarterback and then they can hustle and hit, and that's a huge luxury to have as a play caller on defense. I mean, it's hard to throw the ball because you've got pressure, then it's hard to run the ball. They're hustling and pursuing with great angles. They can load up the box. They can play coverage. They can rush four.

They can rush five. They can rush six. I think Coach McDonald's from Seattle, I think a lot of the narrative was he plays a lot of cover too. He has a bit pressure on a whole lot. He came after New England last night early and often. Really, I think really kind of put a little bit of fear into Josh McDaniel's eyes as far as Colin plays later in a game. So you've talked a little bit about Drake May, but obviously he's a big subject coming out of this game. So what did you see?

Yeah, he struggled. I mean, there's no question about it. This is a very good defense. He didn't have a lot of help. Obviously, the offensive line struggled. A lot of guys open from a third. It wasn't like he was missing guys wide open now. There wasn't a lot of guys wide open that he was missing.

But he did not play his best game. The ball security became an issue. He had a fumble and the interception where he got hit the ball popped up. And then the other interception, he just threw a pop fly in the middle fielded into five defense backs. Yeah, so there was a lot of plays. I'm sure he wish he could have back. But you got to give him a lot of credit for being there in the first place.

But this was not Drake May's finest hour. This is low-hanging fruit, I admit it up front. But knowing what you know, and you are a good talent evaluator, according to everybody who worked with you as a head coach, you were an excellent talent evaluator. We've got two years of information on Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, and Drake May. You're on the clock back in 2024 with the number one overall pick with the two years of data that we now have. Who are you picking? I'm still taking Jaden despite his injuries.

I just think he can do everything athletically that both of them can do, except better. I think he's a better passer than both of them. I would go Jaden, then I would go Caleb, and then I would go Drake. And then maybe Bo had a Drake as well. So Bo has had a couple really good years, too. He's a physical guy and can run. But I still like Jaden, the prospect of him coming out.

As long as we can get a protected and he could stay on the field, I'd still go Jaden. I'm not saying that because I'm being a homer. I'm just saying I like Jayden's talent. What did you think of Sam Darnold last night? You know, he's good. You know, he's efficient like he always is. He protected the ball.

You know, I think the narrative on him is he turns the ball over. He protected the ball. He protected the ball. He's good things and handed the ball off to Kenneth Walker and had some good run designs and some poor run fits by New England and Kenneth Walker took advantage of some of those with some big hits. But when you're playing a game like that, you're looking across the field and you feel like the other team can't move the ball.

Your job is a quarterback who is, to make sure you protect the football, and it's okay to punt and don't force the issue. The plays will come down the stretch, and he did that. He did that all year long, and you've got to give him a lot of credit. His career has been literally a roller coaster, and he's on top right now, and he deserves it. One of your best lines multiple times this year is don't be afraid to punt, and we saw Super Bowl, especially in that first half, where nobody was afraid to punt. In fact, it looked like they were almost looking forward to punting and getting their defense back on the field.

You know, that draft, which was, you know, drawn pain for our team, you know, you've already, you know, talked about how they did the Alex Smith deal without your consultation. And you liked Alex Smith, and you liked the way it worked out and you loved coaching him. But you've watched Sam Darnold from college until now. Take me through it in terms of how you viewed him all along the way. Well, I think college, he's an interesting player. He's the top pick of a draft for a reason. He's a big kid. It was very athletic, very athletic, and he had a good arm.

I mean, he was an impressive guy, and he went high for a reason. He just got caught in a couple situations where it was hard to be successful. The team around him, the coaching staffs, and then he lost a little bit of confidence and bounced around a couple times, and then Kevin O'Connell had a chance to work with him and liked what he saw. I mean, there's always that chance. When you get a chance to get a quarterback like Sam Nardo in your building with that talent, that size, athleticism, that arm strength,

obviously he's a great kiddie smart. You've got to take a chance of them. See if you can work with them. See if you can get some confidence in them, get some players around him. You know, Kevin O'Connell had Justin Jefferson and Patterson and Hockerson and a couple good backs and really flourished. And Sam Darnel flourished under that system, which enabled him to get another job. And that's what happens.

And, you know, who knows what happened with Kirk Cousins. You know, if we don't get a chance, he might still be a backup or a third string quarterback somewhere. He got a chance finally with us, flourish. got another opportunity. He made a lot of money. Sometimes these quarterbacks just need extra opportunities to succeed with a new system, with a new staff, new players

around them, and a new voter confidence. Not knocking him at all, but there were a couple of throws because the rebound to his career, which kind of started, you know, as a backup with Kyle, and last year, as you mentioned, with Kevin O'Connell and then a great year this year. But there

were a couple of throws early in that game that were close to being early game changers. that were... Right? Yeah, the first stick row, he threw with Marcus Jones almost picked it. I was a pick six. I know.

I mean, it was like an inch away from being a pick six. That changes the whole course of the ball game right there. But yeah, you're right. And he has had tendencies to do that. Sometimes he feels like he's a, sometimes it looks like he's a slow thinker back there. It doesn't happen quick enough for him. He's a slow reactor at times.

It's only negative, I think I can point out for Sam Darnold's career, is that he stands back there and holds the ball too long, waiting for things to happen instead of anticipations. dissipating things a little quicker. But overall, he's had a couple great years back to back. All right. Last one. You know our team very well if you were still involved. It's kind of a copycat league. It's always been that way. And over the last two years, we've seen the reemergence of great defense lead teams to titles. Philly last year, Seattle this year, but really the best teams in the postseason this year were really good defensive first teams.

So what would you be thinking if you were the GM, if you were Adam Peters or you were Dan Quinn, what would you be thinking after watching this postseason without your team in it about what you need to do? We've got to attack free agency. You know, we can't rely on the draft. A lot of teams say, hey, well, wait until the draft. We don't know who's going to be out there in the draft now. Who are going to get who's going to be available. You know who's going to be out there in free agency.

You know you can target the positions of need you can attack in free agency. That way in the draft, you'll have a little bit more flexibility to take the better player. as opposed to thinking about taking a player of need, if that makes sense. So I would be very, very aggressive at free agency. They have to be. There's no doubt about it, especially on defense. I mean, just look at what New England did. We talked about what they did on defense.

Right. They added Splane. They added, they added, Woodson, the draft, Carlton Davis. They added Milton Williams. I mean, they added six or seven starters on defense. I mean, that's a huge hit for your football teams. You can add six or seven starters on defense. I think the approach I would take if I was there,

I would be ultra-aggressive, even if I have to overpay a couple people on defense, but I got to get that defense situated. So maybe I could take some superstar off at the player to help out Jade, maybe the running back from Notre Dame slips to you or somebody like that. So, yeah, that's what I would do. Adam Peters is on the spot, no doubt, in this offseason. Yeah, yeah, I think he is. You know, I think he came out.

Humming, man. I went to the NFC championship game. Everybody was tout, and deservedly so. They did great things their first year. You lose your quarterback, your team. team gets a little bit older. Your work starts to show up a little bit more. Now you've got to fix him.

And I think he has the ability to do that. And I think the other cap to do it, I know they have an owner, which is very, very important now. The owner will be willing to spend money. So I think they'll have that in their hip pocket as well. All right. Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it.

You got to thank, Kevin. Jay Gruden, everybody. Jaden Daniels wants his old friend Brandon Ayu to play with him in Washington. You'll hear the ask of Adam Peters next after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, I've talked a lot about chime over the last year. It's just a much smarter way to bank. I mean, it's a situation where you're finally going to feel like the bank is on your side.

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in this cycle, was the past game coordinator for the Rams this past season. Remember, Michael Fleur was the O.C. He got the job in Arizona. And the thought was that Schillhaus would ascend to the O.C. position. Now, with Clint Kubiak leaving Seattle to take the Raiders job, there's been some discussion that Shieldhast could end up going to Seattle. I don't know if Lafleur would allow that or not. If he did,

I guess there'd be a mini red flag on that, and that may actually give Cliff the OC job. But as of now, Cliff is an offensive assistant. Now, I am surprised, I've mentioned that before, that Cliff didn't get hired quickly as an OC at the very least in this

coaching cycle. I also believe that it's possible that Cliff could have taken a gig, if not two, but was perhaps a bit more discerning in some of the jobs that may have been available to him if he had really desired them. Remember this about Cliff Kingsbury. He is making head coaching money for one more season. Arizona still has one year left on the money they owe Cliff. So he had the ability to be a bit more discerning in terms of where to go and where not to go. With that said, I thought he'd end up with a solid OC job, you know, with the Giants or with the Ravens. I thought at the

very least it would end up like that. It didn't. He's in L.A. Very interesting, right, because it's not the offense that Cliff runs. But it's also the offense that Quinn, I think, is more partial to. And maybe Cliff understands and Sean's, you know, using the value of Cliff and what Cliff does well, and maybe that'll get incorporated a little bit into the Rams offense as well, but Cliff will end up perhaps becoming more proficient in married run game to pass game, specifically play action past game, and maybe a little bit more under center for you under center people. So Jaden Daniels made the rounds on Radio Row last. week. First of all, about David Blow. He told pro football talk. He said, obviously, you know,

I trust what the organization's doing. He acknowledged that it was tough to see Kingsbury gone after two years, but said, again, I trust that the organization knows what it's doing. And he said that he's super excited about David Blow's elevation, citing his, you know, familiarity and relationship with the coach and the time that they've spent together. But here's something that he told Yahoo's Nate Tice. This was interesting. I'm going to let you hear the whole setup to it because I do think this setup to it plays a role in the answer. But here it is. This was from either Friday or Saturday, Nate Tice, Yahoo Sports with Jaden Daniels. They're building the offense together, maybe adding new pieces. You guys added

Josh Carnally last year, Laramie at the tackle spots. Pretty exciting stuff. You had Bill at running back, just one name. You get Jane Daniels, but he just gets Bill apparently. Is there something like, is there one little thing that you might want to add on, like a player type, maybe a little message to your bosses? Like, kind of like, this is what I like to throw to. We talked last year at Arizona State and at LSU.

You got a bunch of cool receivers, but is there one type that you maybe want to add on there? There's a couple of individuals that are out there. maybe somebody from Arizona State in my past. Okay. Yeah. You know. Looks on the West Coast. Yeah.

There's most definitely, there's people like that out there. I don't want to get too much. No. When that time comes and, you know, hopefully we can sign those type of players. So first of all, Nate Tice,

with the way he asked the question, I'm not saying that there was anything wrong with it, but he kind of led Jaden into, you know, having some fun with the answer. Arizona State, LSU receivers you've played with in the past. We all know that Brandon,

Iyuk and Jaden Daniels are longtime friends going back to their days playing together at Arizona State. We know the summer of 2024 when Ayyuk was holding out and it became very contentious with the 49ers and he was demanding a trade. Washington was, you know, one of those possibilities that people were talking about. And, you know, even their relationship led to Brandon Ayyuk putting out the Washington training camp video on social. media because Jaden had sent it to him to ask him for his help and confidence. The whole summer of 2024 with IUC was really off-putting because he made it so public. And I think it turned a lot of people off. I thought he had a phenomenal 20-23 year.

And going into 2024, I really thought he was a legitimate top 10 receiver. But then he got hurt in 2024 after signing a long-term contract extension. And really, that's when things fell apart. you know, as he was rehabbing the ACL, he stopped coming into the facility. And we heard a week and a half ago, after two weeks ago, after the 49ers season ended, you know, against Seattle in the playoffs, John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan essentially saying he's not coming back to play for us. You know, they've withheld money from him because he went AWOL. He went AWOL.

He basically violated a lot of, according to the reporting, a lot of terms of the agreement of his contract. to be in their facility so they could monitor the rehab. They actually thought at one point he'd be ready to play this year. And they could have used him. But that has ended. Now, I have no idea what Ayuk's value is. I would imagine it's really down from where it was, obviously two years ago. I mean, this is a guy with character issues all over him.

I mean, there is major red flags. character-wise, and by the way, injury-wise, how healthy is he going to be? So I'll just say what I said a few weeks ago when we had the Brandon I-Uke conversation. There was a time that I was all over it. Not anymore. This is an organization that's prided, you know, that sort of prides itself on culture. Man, you better be right if you bring him in. And it better be a one-year, highly incentivized kind of a deal, you know, and with

really little to no compensation given up. I mean, his talent's great, and they need somebody at that position with talent. But I'm not a big Brandon Ike backer anymore. I'm just not, not for this organization as much as they need a receiver. Now, if stuff comes out about the, you know, why it happened the way it happened and it somewhat exonerates him, I don't think it will, but look, if they do this, they better be right. Let me just tell you what this is a very small nitpick. I'm prefacing it with I'm not really troubled by it.

But the one thing that immediately came to mind when I saw this video for the first time was, I love you, Jaden, but you don't answer that question. You answer the question by saying, I trust in Adam Peters in our front office to do the right things in this offseason. You don't push for Brandon Ayyuk. And yeah, the question kind of let him into it. And it may have been a bit tongue in cheek, but it's really not because he really would love to have Brandon Ayuk here. You know, I think he would.

I don't know that for sure. Maybe he thinks Brandon Ayuk at this point is a bit of a wing nut and has a screw loose and doesn't want him here and is just doing it so that his friend will be happy that he mentioned his name. Maybe that's part of this. But I think the right answer in that situation, and I think he's been incredibly savvy all along. even if not the most dynamic of interviews or communicators, I just think the right answer would have been, yeah, that's not my area. I'm not the GM. I'm just a player and I'm just working back to get healthy and to be ready to bounce back off of this season.

I trust in our front office to do the right things and put in the right, you know, supporting cast. Rather than push for the player, because keep in mind, If they don't sign the player now, you know, is he upset? Maybe not. If they do sign the player, was it because Jaden pushed for it? You know, none of those things may have anything to do with why they do or don't do it, but people will think that way. So to avoid that, I think the right answer, the savvy answer from Jaden Daniels would have been above my pay grade.

that's really for the front office and I totally trust in what they are going to do. All right, we'll finish up with me giving a bit of a mea culpa on something that was pretty embarrassing from yesterday's Sunday Super Bowl show. We'll do that next after these words from a few of our sponsors. Seattle was a 60 to one shot to win the Super Bowl before this season. began. Washington is 60 to 1 to win the Super Bowl next year. Maybe we get a repeat 60 to 1

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very hard. And the last level is extremely hard. And you've probably heard Tommy and I talk about it. You know, over the years, I think I've done it for like 15 years. There have been like four winners. The last two years we've had winners. We did not have a winner this year, but we didn't get to do Super Bowl trivia on radio on Friday because of the breaking sad news that Sonny Jurgensen had passed away. But anyway, there was a question that I asked this week that for whatever reason got a lot of response. People loved the question and they wanted to answer it. So they sent me emails or they tweeted what the answers were and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, and I asked it one time this week and the caller couldn't come up with the answer at all. They just

blanked. I'm going to tell you what the question is, and what I said yesterday on the show was the answer to the question. I decided yesterday, I don't know why I did this, that there was so much feedback to this particular question that I'd give the answer, and then I'd take it out of rotation for future Super Bowl trivia weeks. The question was, there have been four quarterbacks who played and started games for the Redskins, but also started in Super Bowls, started in Super Bowls for other teams. And on the show yesterday, I gave the answer. The answer being Rich Gannon started games for the Redskins, started for the Raiders in a Super Bowl. Donovan McNabb started for the Redskins, started for the Eagles in a Super Bowl. Brad Johnson started for the Redskins, started for the Buccaneers in the Super Bowl. And Rex Grossman started for the Redskins, started for the Bears in the Super Bowl.

The problem with me giving that answer to the question named four quarterbacks who played and started games for the Redskins, but also started in Super Bowls for other teams, is that many of you responded to me bringing this up on the podcast yesterday and said, you got it wrong. And what was funny about it is several people said, Stan Humphreys, didn't Stan Humphreys. didn't Stan Humphreys start a Super Bowl for the Chargers and start games for the Redskins? Yes, yes, he did. I missed that one. But I also missed another one. Jeff Hostelder, most people that wrote in said Stan Humphreys, but one person said, what about Jeff Hostelder?

And I'm like, oh my God, Jeff Hostelder started a few games for us and started. started a Super Bowl for the Giants. This is what happens when you're basically putting Super Bowl trivia together on your own without any outside professional help. This has happened before. It's imperfect. I'm embarrassed by this one, though, because, you know, I went through every starting quarterback in Super Bowl history.

You know, I went through all of them when I created this question. It takes some time. And I'm like, oh my God, yeah, Rich Gannon. Oh, Donovan McNabb, Brad Johnson, Rex Grossman. Somehow I missed Stan Humphreys and Jeff Hostelder. So, yes, thank you for all that emailed or tweeted the correct answers to the question. I missed that one. Stan Humphreys, Jeff Hostelter.

So name the six quarterbacks who played and started games for the Redskins, but also started in Super Bowls for other teams. All right, that's it for the day. Back tomorrow with Tommy. We'll do more Super Bowl and like Super Bowl halftime, Bad Bunny, the whole thing. I'll save that for Tommy tomorrow.