The Kevin Sheehan Show - Super Bowl Stories

Episode Date: January 30, 2020

Kevin and Thom opened the show with stories of Super Bowl trips together. They discussed Kyle Shanahan's comments about Patrick Mahomes and Kirk Cousins. Sports fans never got to see Kobe vs LeBron in the NBA Finals....what tops the list of other sports matchups we never got to see? The boys discussed the ramifications and had ideas about the NFL moving to a 17-game schedule. They finished up with Dusty Baker to Houston and Thom's Super Bowl pick. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Yep, Tommy's here. I'm here.

Aaron's here. Did you beat up any Chinese kids on the way to the show today? Oh, come on. Come on. I deserve that. Did you? I deserve it. Oh, my God.

I deserve whatever punishment and criticism I get. Last night, I was at Tommy Joe's for the Coaches podcast. Right. Zave did a show there. And then Gary Williams, Chris Nocky, Ed Tapp, Scott, and the guys Jimmy Patsos were there for the coaches podcast. And had a lot of people that were fans of our show and listened to the podcast when you're on. And at least three or four people came up to me and said, oh, my God, the story that Tommy told the other day about what he did after JFK was assassinated, that's terrible. It was terrible.

Nobody knows it was more terrible than I did. And I said he regrets it. You know, and how about how honest he was about it. Yeah, I deserve all the criticism I get for that. Absolutely. So it's Super Bowl week. And one of the people who was there last night, Neil and Rockville just started, you know, he said, remember when you and Tommy were in Miami?

Remember when you and Tommy were in Dallas? And I'm like, oh, yeah. And then I thought, well, these are things we have to talk about today. Because I'm trying to think, how many Super Bowls were we together for? Only two. Miami and Dallas. Really? Yeah, because I went to Indianapolis by myself.

Right. Because you didn't want to go. And Indianapolis turned out pretty good, by the way. And I went to New Orleans. And then I went to New York and Arizona. Right. And then we weren't together for San Francisco. Right.

Yeah. So, yeah, I'm looking at the list of Super Bowls. We went, that's right. We went to, we were in Miami for the Super Bowl that ended up being the Saints and the Colts. and then the following year the Super Bowl was in Dallas. God, it seemed like more. No. I mean, we packed a lot in.

Let's face it. You know what? We were doing shows together during Super Bowl week. But as you pointed out, for Indianapolis and New Orleans, you were there and I wasn't. We were still doing shows together. Yes. And then in New York, I was, you were back here. And I was in New York.

And then in Arizona, I was out there and you were back here. Yes, that's how it worked. You didn't go to Arizona? No, I didn't go to Arizona. Okay. But the first one, Miami, is memorable for a lot of reasons, but the return is what's memorable. Before we get to the return, you know, early in the week, you know, we're heading out. First of all, Tommy is very much like, you know, a quarter horse, you know.

He is out of the gates fast. He's a frontrunner. He's out of the gates fast. He is ready to party. And then all of a sudden, he's done. And sometimes being done means like at 9.30. Oh, no. This is not true. This is not true.

Like 2.30 maybe. Just as some of us are getting ready. Come on. Where are we going next time? He's like, oh, I'm done. I'm done. But Tommy was very familiar with many of the establishments in, you know, sort of the date in Broward County areas. With the Orioles having spring training down there, I made many friends. There were a couple of establishments that we walked into early that week. I remember one specifically in Fort Lauderdale.

bunnies, I think it was called, something like that. And we walked in and whoever the hostess was, Tom, it's been so long. And Tommy was recognized in a few of the waitresses that also doubled as dancers. They came right over to the table and said, Tommy, where are you been? Very familiar with those places. I'm a patron of the arts. Yes, you are a patron of the arts. You are.

Yes, absolutely. Look, I was pretty much the social district. director that week, and I think I did a pretty good job. You did a good job. I mean, I organized the field trip to the dog track, remember? Yes. For a lot of those guys, that was the first time they were ever out of track. True.

You and I were pretty familiar with it with the Greyhounds. Yes, but so I mean, so I organized the field trip to the dog track. I organized the field trip to the, to these arts establishments that we went to. We saw a couple of very good shows. Yes. Yes, we did. And you remember, you remember our old program director. Dennis.

He took us to dinner at the Hard Rock and spent a fortune. A fortune on us. Do you remember that? I don't remember it being a fortune. I just remember. It was a lot of money. I just remember whatever he was involved in typically turned into a pretty big train wreck. Yeah.

Well, he spent, I mean, he picked up the whole tab, spent a fortune on us, for this dinner. I think we were in a private room or something like that. I thought that was in Vegas. In Vegas we had, for one of the fights we were out there for, we had a massive dinner. Was that Dennis or Chuck? Chuck took us out to a huge dinner, and that was a fortune. It was the steakhouse in the MGM, which one of them. The name escapes me right now. Yeah, but I think the promoter paid for that. Perhaps. Yeah. Well, I know we didn't. pay for. No, we didn't pay for it. And that was, that was a lot of us were out there for that

particular fight. I don't even remember what fight it was. I don't remember what it was. I just remember a huge, massive tab, food and drink, you know, drink driven primarily. Don't you remember that night? We were there for a while. Yeah. Doc was there. Was coach? I don't think coach was there. Doc was there. Zabe was there. Andy was there. You and I were there. I forget. Look, this, this scenario that you painted that I was a quick finisher, you You know, it's based on one night when it's 2.30 in the morning and we're on our second arts establishment of the evening. Right.

And then from there, you wanted to go to the casino. I was ready to roll. At 2.30 in the morning. I was done by that. I don't think it was 2.30. It was, oh, I remember. It was 2.30 in the morning. We were on our second stop.

Okay. That may be true. I do remember this, though. The next night, you could not rally. No, I could. You couldn't rally. next night. I couldn't.

Because we're like, come on, we're going. And you're like, I'm not going out tonight. I mean, last night was too late. Yeah. I couldn't. You know, that's the one thing. You'll find out. It'll happen to you that, you know, you can't run with the first team anymore every night.

Well, look, I'm past my first team days, too, but that was 10 years ago. That was a fun trip. And yeah, you mentioned the return. So that was the winter of 2009, 2010, which, if you recall, in this area, basically if you lived you know in the city and north and west of the city you ended up with 80 to 90 inches of snow that winter and there were two snowstorms back to back well so there was the big storm in December that that put down two feet and then in February we had the back to back and the first of that back to back was going to come during the Super Bowl weekend and I had

suggested to our fearless program director at the time Dennis that I said, look, you know, Monday's a big day. You need a lot of shows. Post Super Bowl, yeah. You need to make sure you're on the air. And I said, if I switch my flight, I can leave right after the show ends and make sure that at least somebody's back in the event that you guys don't get any stop. And he said, what are you talking about?

I said, the air is going to get hit with another blizzard. You know, they're calling for somewhere in the neighborhood of two feet of snow. We know what happened in December. You know, you couldn't even get people in two days after. you know the storm and I said now we're down to Florida and all of us were down there nobody was back every single show every single person yeah from every show was down there and so I said you know I'll switch the flight there's a minor cost to switching the flight I'll leave right after the show because I think our flights were scheduled to come back Saturday morning the original flights were

Saturday morning and I said you're not going to get back Saturday morning that's true you're not going to have a chance to get back Saturday morning and um and you're not going to have anybody in the And so he said, no. Remember, I mean, you know, and I just did it myself anyway. I remember, I had to, right after the show was over, I had to drive like Mario Andretti to get me to the airport. To get to the airport on time for you to get your flight. So one of the, look, part of it was very selfish. Part of it was very selfish.

I love massive snowstorms and I didn't want to miss it. I wanted to be back for it. And so it started that Friday afternoon, Friday night. I got onto a flight. flights into DCA were already canceled, but I got a flight into Richmond. And I paid the difference. The company wouldn't pick up the difference in the flight,

if you recall. And I'm like, I'm telling you, they're going to be sorry if nobody gets back there on Monday when Radio Rose shut down and they're running national programming all day Monday after the Super Bowl. So I, the flight went into Richmond. And I'm like, all right, I'll fly into Richmond

and then I'll run a car and get home. And drive. And drive home. So landed in Richmond. I'll never forget. Like Friday night, it's, you know, it's sleeting in Richmond, sleeting and raining. You know, it's far enough south. So the snow's started up in D.C., but it's just sleet and rain there. Get, you know, like a four-wheel SUV rented, started to drive, heading up 95, everything's fine, and then right when I got to the Beltway, right when I got from 95 on to 495 in Virginia, it turned to a blinding snowstorm. And Tommy, by the time I got to my exit, the river road exit headed towards Bethesda,

there was already like 8, 10 inches had fallen. Wow. And it was like getting up the ramp to get off the exit. I just gunned it. I barely made it home, but I did make it home. And if you recall, that Monday, no one was back. Nobody could get back. You guys were trying to get flights out of there to get back on Monday.

And I did every single show until you got back. Yes. You were the only one that got back because I don't remember why you were back and Andy and Zay. Well, I think Andy got back later. Later when we were on the air doing their show. Yes. Which was the-you were on the air longer to me, but I think I was on the air for about five hours. Yes.

Yeah, you got back at a reasonable time. I think I basically was on, well, on from 10 to 7. Yeah. And you got back at like one or two and joined me. No one else was back. Remember, he didn't want to pay for a cab to take me from the airport to the radio. And I remember saying, are you, are you serious? I've been doing three hours already.

Tommy's back. He needs to get into a cab. No, you know, he's got to get back, you know. Too expensive. Too expensive. Yeah. It was unbelievable. But you got back anyway.

Yes. And then we had that call where Andy, you know, at like 6 o'clock and we're doing Andy and Zab show because they're not back. And Andy arrives at BWI and calls us from the parking lot searching for his vehicle. Couldn't find it. then eventually found it, right, and found a guy to help him shovel the vehicle out. The funny part was, while he was down in Florida, this is Andy being prepared. He bought a beach shovel to help him dig out.

A plastic pink bead shovel. To help him dig out his car when he got back. That was brilliant. And he was on the phone with us when he was searching for his car. I know. On the air. It's hysterical. And then all of a sudden you hear an, oh, my God.

Yeah. He finally got himself dug out. That was funny. And I remember, you know, like Zabe and Andy playing back the audio of Andy in that parking lot looking for his car. And at this point, just keep in mind. Like that was a two-foot storm. And then that Wednesday of that week, we had another foot in the back-to-back storms. But like by Monday, it was still hard to get into D.C., Baltimore and drive. You were dry. I remember because you drove me home. from the radio station. Yeah. Yeah, and everything around us was like a wall of snow. It was like driving through a tunnel. Right. Except it was just walls of snow to get home.

The brilliant vision of our management team. They didn't, I'll never forget that. I called him up and I said, are you serious? I said, you're going to pay for this cab ride back. Are you out of your mind? I'm like, first of all, we'd have no programming if I had listened, if I didn't, if I had listened to you on Friday. He was simple.

He wasn't prepared, was he? He was a little bit limited. Do you know that this is sort of inside baseball? You know what? He meant well. He was not from the East Coast. Wasn't a D.C. guy. He was the wrong hire for the job.

And he was a very nice guy. On the other hand. No, no, no, no. If you're going to say what he says. No. Go ahead. He takes credit for putting you and me together. Really?

Yes. He takes total credit. credit for that. And that's really not true at all. The reason Tommy and I became partners on radio, I was doing a show with Doc. Doc went with coach, and I was doing a show for six months by myself. And the Washington Times wanted to do a deal with the radio station. And Tommy was a regular contributor to Zabe and Andy's show, the sports reporters. And Tommy and I knew each other, and I loved listening to Tommy on that show. And they came to me and they said, hey, what do you think about a partner and I said here a couple of people and I mentioned your name and they said well that's interesting

the Washington Times just reached out and said they want to do a deal with the station and part of that would be for Tommy to be a more significant you know regular contributor and then you and I went and had lunch and I just said this is what we should do do do you remember that yeah and I said this is what we should do and then you know and he he has many times sent me like in note so glad you know you and Tommy are doing so well. I'm glad I came up with the idea to put you guys together. And I never say anything other than, hey, great idea. You know what happened? Six months later, the time shut down their sports section. I know. And the money dried up with it. The money dried up and then they then the station had to pay you. But this show was going well. The show was going well. So they decided to,

you know, to pay me to full amount. Exactly. So. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And that was Bruce. That was Bruce. Bruce was, Bruce was, look, Bruce in terms of, Bruce now runs Westwood one. Bruce, in terms of our fearless CEOs at that radio station, was so head and shoulders above the rest of them. Like, it's not even worth comparing. It's hard to believe it's the same business sometimes. I know. I know.

So, anyway, the following year was Dallas. Oh, my God. Dallas. And that Super Bowl, that was the Packers Steelers Super Bowl, the Jerry World Super Bowl. And we got in on a Sunday night, went to bed, weather was fine, And I'll never forget, like, in the middle of the night, being woken up to the sound of, you know, sleep pellets hitting the hotel that, the motel that we were staying in.

Yes, the motel. Because you remember, the next morning went on the air and said, now I know what it's like to do time. Exactly. Because we stayed in a place where the doors open up to the street. Opened up to a main highway, in fact. It was really, I never understood some of that. It's like spend an extra 20 bucks a night and put us near Radio Row and you save on the transportation costs. And, oh, by the way, if you're going to send your own people out, you know, for a week,

if you're sending somebody out for one night, you know, let's save a lot. For a week, I mean, we were working. You know, we're working that week. And I'll tell you that, the accommodations were not very good. Oh, no. I wasn't kidding what I said about doing time. But we woke up that next morning. I opened the door in everything.

is glazed over in an inch at least of ice in Dallas, in the metroplex, Dallas, Fort Worth. And we're every bit of a half an hour drive from Radio Row. Yeah. And in Dallas, they did not have the ability to handle it. They had no removal equipment. They had 30 trucks. Total for the whole city? Yes, with dirt.

Right. There was dirt everywhere on that ice. No salt. No plows. No. Just dirt. Yeah. And so the temperatures.

I remember, went from, you know, we arrived and it's 50 degrees. We wake up the next morning, it's 15 with a glaze of ice in the temperature, not once for that entire week. We were there got above freezing. It was frozen the whole week. The whole entire week. Remember, you used to have to drop me off. Of course, I remember. Because I wasn't as nimble as I am now.

Oh, yeah, like you're nimble now. You know? And, I mean, I couldn't risk walking on that ice like a block or two from the parking lot to get to, get to where we were doing a broadcast. So you'd always have to drop me off in front of the broadcast and go park the car. I did. Tommy was like, you got to bring the car up next to my motel door, which emptied right out into the street pretty much.

And then I would drop you off at Radio Row and then park about a half mile from Radio Row. And then hoof it myself to get there. But it was a brutal week because all of the, you know, we basically ended up, you know, I think we went. The main highways they got cleared to a certain degree by Tuesday or Wednesday, but if you had to get off of an exit and go somewhere, it was impossible. Remember we had to go to a client's party? Yeah, way up, um, 45 minutes away.

And that was like everything was a nightmare drive to get up there. Didn't we also maybe, I forget who it was, maybe was Chuck got tickets because the wizards were playing the Mavericks and we all ended up going to that? I didn't do that. I didn't want to do that. Because, well, we went to dinner on Sunday night with Buck because the Wizards were, we went to this real nice steakhouse. Oh, with Buck. Sunday night. That's why we went because Buck said, come over and then we'll go out to dinner or whatever.

Yeah, exactly. We had a real nice dinner. It was the highlight of the week. Buck is an expert in local, you know, dining for all of these major NBA cities anyway. But that week was just a really difficult week. It was a, the combinations, I remember Radio Road, like they had it set up perfectly. But you also, I remember the day, the media day in getting, you know, remember Radio Road was basically in an area far from where, you know, the stadium was. If you know anything about Dallas and Fort Worth, Fort Worth, basically Jerry World is on that major, you know, interstate almost in between the two, not exactly in between the two.

But we were, we were downtown. We were downtown Dallas. Is that the Brooklyn Decker week? I think that was. I think that was the Brooklyn Decker Super Bowl. God, I'm so glad you reminded me of that. And I'm going to tell the story because you tell it very inaccurate. No, this isn't true.

I'm going to tell you the truth. Kevin's going to tell you what he liked to avoid. No, I know what happened. I was there. And you were in no condition to remember what was happening at all. You were so flummoxed. Okay. So Brooklyn Decker, who was the Sports Illustrated swimsuit cover that February.

But she was in a movie. She was also in that movie with Adam. Sandler. She was there to promote the movie. Yeah. She was in the, what was that movie with Adam Sandler and Jennifer Aniston? I try to forget all Adam Sandler movies, so I don't remember. But anyway, you know, Brooklyn Decker's in that movie and a bikini for much of the movie. Anyway. Just go with that.

Just go with it. So she's making the rounds. And that was a typical thing on Radio Road during Super Bowl Week for the Sports Illustrated swimsuit cover girl to make the rounds on Radio Row and sit down. and do interviews to promote, you know, the magazine. So Brooklyn Decker is on, she's sort of on her way over and we're in a break. And she was gorgeous. I mean, you see people in person that are truly beautiful and you're like, oh, she's really beautiful.

This one, though, she was a 15 on a scale of 1 to 10. Yeah, she was. She was gorgeous. And she's on her way over. And I look at Tommy and he's, he's wide-eyed already. and she sits down, and Tommy and I always had this practice with interviews. I would ask the first two questions, and he'd asked two, then I'd ask to. That's essentially how we did almost any interview, unless somebody got on a roll and you'd put your hand up

and say, I got another one here. And so I asked Brooklyn Decker a couple questions. I forget one of them actually, Maryland, she was a North Carolina girl, was a huge Tar Heel fan, and I think during one of the updates, Maryland had played Duke or was going to play Duke. and I mentioned something about, you know, and she said, oh, you hate Duke too or something. I forget what it was. And she and I got into this back and forth. It was very playful. She was flirting with me.

You see, and this is the way Kevin, that gives you an idea of the way of Kevin's few of things. That's not true. But there was a back and forth between. There was a connection. There was a connection there on the hating Duke thing. They bonded. So anyway, we bonded in 24 seconds. 24.

That's a week of 24. So I asked the two questions, and then Tommy's, you know, it's Tommy's turn to go and I look over at him, and he's waving me off. He can't speak. He's so, he's so enamored with her beauty sitting right in front of him. Sweat is pouring off his forehead, and he waves me off. And so I just continued the questioning. And then finally, at the very end of the interview, as she's getting ready to get up, and to leave, Tommy says, I got something to say. I mean, stuttering, I mean, to the point where it's

really hard to even decipher what it was you were saying, but you asked some question about some director or something, and she didn't have any idea what you were talking about, and then she got up and left. That's the story. Now, go ahead and give your version. I'm going to give the true version, okay? The one where Kevin and Brooklyn Decker don't get a room, okay? I'm going to give this story. Okay, she sits down and she's there to promote this movie. That's why she's there. Well, Sports Illustrated thing too.

But she's there to promote the movie. And she mentions that the, and I remembered in the advertisements for the movie, the director was Dennis Dugan. Dennis Dugan, who played Richie Brockleman on the Rockford Files and then eventually got his own show. But I'm trying to say, okay, you know, it's a. Rockford file saying, and I'm running, what was that guy's name? What was the director's name? So I'm trying to remember the director's name from her movie so I can impress her with my Richie Brockleman information.

But I couldn't. I just couldn't remember his name. I kept drawing a blank. So that's why, I mean, I was so obsessed with that, I couldn't, I didn't have a question ready. Right. You know? And finally at the end, I said, you know, Dennis Dugan is the director.

I know him from Richie Brockman on the Rockford Files. and she was very impressed and slipped me her phone number. But because of the ice, we couldn't get together. Well, it's amazing because usually a couple of clicks, Google, and you've got the information, but I conducted 99.7% of that interview until your little Dennis Dugan mentioned at the end as she was getting up to leave.

And I'll tell you, it had you so perplexed trying to come up with that name that, man, were you sweating? You had sweat pouring all. I just couldn't believe I couldn't come up with that. I had something. Right. I had something to offer. Tommy used to tell me, this is something about Tom that I'll never forget.

Tom used to tell me that his girl was Carly Simon. Like, Carly Simon was, most of you probably don't even know who Carly Simon was. She was a singer in big in the 1970s. You're so vain had a lot of hits. You remember Carly Simon much more than I. Just Google the album cover, No Secrets. You'll know what I'm talking about. Which, you know, she looks like, she's a smoke show from the 1970s.

And Tommy always said to me, you know, if I were on a plane and Carly Simon sat down. Actually, it's a train. Or a train. If I were on a train and Carly Simon sat down next to me, by the end of that train ride, she'd want to hang out with me. She'd want to go out with me, hang out with me. And there he was with Brooklyn Decker, a foot and a half away from him. He couldn't even speak. You know what? You wouldn't have forgotten the No secret's album cover.

Well, but it's funny you say this. I'm going to veer off for a second. Okay. Because a couple years ago, Carly Simon had a book. And she did a book signing down down in D.C. Right. And this is my chance. Politics and pros, wasn't it? No, it was some kind of...

I remember you telling this story. It wasn't politics and pros. And I said, this is my chance to meet Carly Simon. So I show up and it's 300 women, including your wife, who recognized me and saw me there. That's right. Yes. But why was she there? I think she went with some friends or whatever.

Whatever. It's 300 women blubbering as they meet, as they wait in line to meet Carly Simon. Did you look around at any point and decide not to get out of life? No, no. I was going to stick it out. I was going to stick it out. But I wasn't going to be crying when I got in front of it. Like every other woman was who was there.

So I'm waiting in line and it's my turn and I said something to her and it wasn't even English. It wasn't even English. I have no idea what I said. She signed the book, handed it to me and I was God. And that was it. That was my moment. You know what? It needed to be on a train.

It needed to be a longer opportunity because you are an acquired day. You know, in short. Like a stanza. Exactly. In short, you know, doses, kind of hard. I know. Now, now, uh, you missed out on, on, you missed out on, you missed out, two things on Indianapolis and, and New Orleans.

First of all, oh, the Notre Dame football story. The Indianapolis thing was wild because I wasn't there for that. Chuck and Doc, uh, convinced this, this, this couple, uh, just off the cuff that I had played football at Notre Dame in the early 70s and blew out my knee. And that had messed up my career. Well, we're telling this story, and it turns out they're from South Bend, you know? I mean, and then. Well, what are the chances?

You're in Indianapolis. I mean, come on. There was a chance at least. And it just kept going like that. They bought us drinks and stuff. And, you know, Doc, it's still perpetuating this myth. Did they remember your day? as a player?

No, they didn't remember, but they bought it. Like I said, they bought his drinks all night. And then New Orleans, there was one night that easily could have been a 30 for 30 on ESPN. I bet. I mean, where basically Doc and Chuck had convinced these ladies in an arts center we went to that I was a millionaire who had started a foundation to scrub oil off dolphins, to save dolphins. She was happy about that?

Oh, well, actually, the whole group was happy about that. But that was a night where... The shenanigans when you're on the road. I started, the show was over at two. It was, I was at Pat O'Brien's by three. And dinner was at seven. So by the time I got to dinner, I was, I was already died. You know what the best road trip story of all time was,

and I will leave his name out of this for the purposes of not embarrassing him because I don't think when we've told this story before we've ever used his name. It was one of those Vegas trips. You know what I'm about? I think so. One of those Vegas trips.

And it was after the show and we're all sitting there, we're gambling, hanging out, having a good time. And this particular person who was a part of our group, part of our station, said,

I'm not into gambling. I'm going to go. I'm going to head out and I'll meet up with you guys for dinner. And so we didn't see him at dinner. We didn't see him at night. We didn't see him the next day. We didn't see him the day after that. He was missing, if you recall.

It was a hangover thing. He was missing. It was a total hangover. Movie thing. And I mean, he was basically, no, he wasn't at Helms. And he wasn't Bradley Cooper. Who was the, in the first hangover, the, the guy who was missing? The guy who was going to get married.

Yeah, the guy who was going to get married. I don't remember the actor's name. Well, anyway, this particular person is missing. We're actually becoming concerned now. Now, he set off to, you know, head to one of those establishments. An art center. Where there were dancers. And, you know, many of you have experience with this. Tommy and I really don't.

But you can get roped into, you know, the champagne. pain lounge and a couple of credit cards and maxing out of a couple credit cards. And all of a sudden, you're like, I've spent this much money and this is all I've gotten in return? Yes. I mean, the world of being an art benefactor could be a very rocky world. So we fly home. We've called every hospital.

We've called the police department. And a particular person who also hosted a show at the station, I remember him calling me, saying, where is this person? Yeah. because this person was involved in that particular show as well. And I said, we don't know. We don't know. And then finally, he called either me or somebody and said, I'm good.

I'm fine. I'm getting on a flight today. I'll be back for all the Tuesday stuff. Missed the Monday, that thing. And he basically got roped into one particular performer. And a few maxed out credit cards later. he was trying to get out of there and come home. All the blood was God by then.

All the blood was... The blood was God. Drained. Yes. Drained. Oh, my God. That was terrible. Anyway.

We made the most of our times then. Yeah, we did. Although, to be honest with you, when I heard we weren't going to the Super Bowl this year, even though the destination is one of the best. Yeah. You know, Miami. I didn't care as much. I mean, because it was going to be a limited sort of

that may have gone down anyway. And plus, doing mornings, you really don't get guests, you know, in the morning shows. We were right in the wheelhouse. We were in the wheelhouse. Yeah, for getting guests. You know, do you know what's, remember when Floyd and Mayweather sat down with us? Yes. And I pissed him off. Do you remember that? It didn't take much to piss me off. He, and somebody, I looked for this a couple of years ago. It was on YouTube these, because somebody had been videotaping it, maybe somebody from the station at time. And I basically, said, you got to fight Pachial. This is bullshit. You know, you've got to fight Pachio. And he said, I don't have to do anything. I said, the public wants it. This is the only fight. Why are you not fighting him?

You know, and he went off. And he got really worked up, and it was really, it was good radio. And somebody had posted that to YouTube. And I went and looked for it maybe, I think I mentioned it last year on the podcast, Super Bowl Week, and I was talking about various stories from Radio Row. And I went and looked for it and I couldn't find it. But I remember looking at that. You could see he was not happy with me. No, he wasn't. Two last things about interviews we did. We always used to do Steve Young, and he always brought me a Van Uze and Ty.

And he remembered that he had brought me in Van Uzen Ty every year. And it was always great talking to him because he's such a smart guy. And we had Deacon Jones once. And this time I didn't freeze. Deacon Jones was in a odd couple episode, and he was absolutely great. So I asked him about that. And he lit up and he loved talking about that odd couple episode and Jack Klugman and Tony Randall.

I mean, he was so happy to talk about that. I just remembered that in particular, that moment. I mean, we had a lot of, I mean, here's the, that Radio Road thing was so hit and miss because they would have a lot of players or coaches or whatever basically making the rounds to promote a product. And a lot of those interviews were interviews. you didn't want. Like, you know, you just,

um, at some, you were, you were much tougher on that than I was. Because I, because I really had a sense for what, you know, or at least I thought I did.

I, I think a lot of those people, our listeners couldn't have cared less about, you know, and so, but you had to take some of those people to get a chance at the release, the interview you want.

Yeah, because the people who would be handling multiple clients. Right. Would say, you got to take, you got such and such. Right. Like,

I'm like going blank right. now on the various, you know, mainstays on Radio Row every single year. Did we do Elway? We may have done Elway. I'll tell you. We did Kurt Warner. We did Kurt Warner. We had Kurt Warner on a couple times.

I was always a big Kurt Warner fan. Michael Haynes came through every year, and to me, he's the greatest corner back in NFL history, and is an interesting guy. I remember how good he was. I don't know. We had a lot of people. A lot of people would come through. By the way, tomorrow, if you want to listen, 8 a.m. on the radio show, Mike Shanahan is going to be a guest previewing the 49ers and the Super Bowl on Sunday.

So tune in for that. Okay, over under the amount of times they show Mike Shanahan on TV Sunday. There is a prop bet for that, right, Aaron? I believe there is. There's a prop bet for how many times Mike Shanahan gets cut away on. Yeah, I want to say one and a half is the number, if I remember correctly? Well, I'd go over on that. I'd go over on that.

I mean, if you count the post game, maybe if the 49ers win, the postgame celebration, that would. It doesn't count. It would be from kickoff to final whistle. I still think that's low. Yeah. I mean, during the NFC championship game, there had to have been at least three to four cutaways of him, his wife, and their grandkids there and Kyle's wife. Yeah. Yeah, over under one and a half, minus 1.30 on the over.

Wow. The minus 1.30, you got to pay on the over? Yep. So they're true. You know, a lot of those prop bets, just for those of you, and we're going to do some of this on the podcast tomorrow. Aaron and I will go through a lot of them. You're limited, you know, especially those where information can get out like, you know, how long the anthem's going to be. Is Demi Lovato singing the anthem? Yes. So there will be an over under on the time. And, you know, what basically happens. Two minutes, three seconds. Yeah, they're not going to let you, you know, bring in a truck full of cash into a Vegas casino and put it on that. because you paid off the security guard who was watching the rehearsal with a stopwatch. You know, that's not going to happen. Those things are all controlled with limits. In the minute, they start getting a lot of, you know, high-end, the limit action going to multiple casinos at the same time.

They may take it off the board because they think that the information's been compromised. I'm not a big prop better. Did you ask me this yesterday or did someone else? Yeah, I did. I'm not a big prop better. I do like the under in this game, and I think I'll have that on the smell test. Not that anybody should care after the smell test this year. But, I mean, we'll go through the prop bets tomorrow.

I just heard about the Shanahan one, the cutaways to him. I mean, isn't the Super Bowl seen as your last chance to get right? Well, for the people that just bet football, it is. But, you know, college basketball, for me, has always been a big thing. better. Yes. That's why. That's why.

And it's stupid because it's probably the best, sharpest line to create, you know, action both sides that you get. Like, it's not, look, you don't have an advantage at any point, all right? But the Super Bowl game, you really, I mean, it's not like you're taking advantage of a bad number. There really aren't anything. There's no such thing as a bad number anymore on an NFL game. But if you, if it's come down to the,

the Super Bowl just like during the week. If it comes down to Monday night football, you're in a heap of trouble. Where are you going to watch the Super Bowl? At home. The boys, except for my youngest of Penn State, everybody's planning on being home. Oh, that's cool. Hey, you know what? You just reminded me something.

Keep your thought, write it down because you'll forget it. No, I will forget it. So have I told you about the issue that I've been having with the big TV in my house? Not getting full-fledged HD through. You vaguely touched on it, but I tried to like more. I've mentioned it on the podcast. I am asking for somebody to give me advice on this. So got a brand new 65 inch Sony, then a Samsung. I've gone through four TVs because I'm not getting full high definition through. I've had the cable company out multiple times. I actually tried and had direct TV installed briefly to see if that was the problem.

There's no answer. It's a mystery. It's a complete mystery. Why? Different TV? The TV that I had in that spot before I decided to get a new one was perfect. Perfect. And you'll say, well, why did you get rid of it? I got rid of it because there was one of those white spots, which, you know, is something in the... I don't even know how to explain it. But basically, it was the beginning of the end of the TV.

It was four or five years old already. And it was the beginning of the end. And it was a 4K. It was one of the first 4K TVs. And by the way, I understand that I'm not getting 4K most of the time. except for 4K programming. I'm getting 1080P on most sports events. But it was clear-cut, beautiful, high-definition.

And then every TV we've put in there since, every cable box, every HDMI cord, everything we've tried, nothing has brought it back. There's like there's blurriness. It's not, it's terrible. It's a terrible picture on the biggest TV we have in the house in our family room. And I haven't even been watching it recently. It can't.

Especially with broadcast TV, in sports with lots of motion. So somebody tried to explain to me a refresh rate, and you got the wrong refresh. I've tried every refresh rate. 120, 60, those that say that it's 240 or whatever on the refresh rate, which apparently it isn't, nothing's working.

So if anybody has any ideas, because the cable company doesn't have any ideas, Best Buy doesn't have any ideas anymore, nobody seems to know what it was. We've changed out the electrical, we've tried it in different, you know, nothing works. So there you go. I've asked for help.

tweet me at Kevin Sheen, D.C. If you've experienced a similar thing and you know what the answer is, I don't think that there's an obvious answer. I think the room is cursed, actually. I think somehow the spot is cursed, or because we went from 60 to 65 in that room, and I haven't gone back and tried 60, something with the additional size screen in that room made it,

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for you real quickly. You know, I'll tell you my story. Oh, but... Go ahead. Tell your story. I forgot it. You didn't write it down? I tell you, I would... I was so crushed by your tail of whoa that I just forgot. I mean, it seemed in consequence.

It seems in consequence. No, I don't, I don't, how can I follow that? Well, it was a very important thing to most people listening. So, so I can't top that. You shouldn't try. All right. What was it that you wanted to say? I don't remember.

You really don't remember? Are you being serious? I'm being serious. I told you to write it down. I know. And you didn't write it down. The minute you told me to write it down, I knew I wouldn't remember. The problem is, if I had waited,

I would have forgotten if I'd let you go first. All right, well, maybe you'll think about it at some point. Kyle Shanahan, the head coach of the San Francisco 49ers, was asked on Tuesday about why in the 2017 draft, when they held the number two overall pick, why they didn't consider Patrick Mahomes. Here's what he said. I didn't look into him obviously as much as I should have.

I think it was, I mean, we definitely looked into him, studied all his tape, was just a freak. I could make any throw, had the ability to do anything. I thought it was a little bit different situation for us. We had the second pick in the draft, did not feel like from all the intel you get and stuff that he was going to go that high. And it was a little different situation for us just because I think it's pretty well documented of just the relationship I had with Kirk and being in Washington and everything. and I felt very confident that he wasn't going to stay there. So anytime you go into season knowing that a franchise quarterback can be available the next year, it made me a lot more picky with what we were looking at.

And you saw a bunch of talented guys in that draft. But it's very tough when you watch college systems and stuff. You don't really know until you get someone in the building. I mean, you can see ability, you can see talent. But how is the mind? How do they play in the pocket? How do they process? And that's not just an IQ score.

That's some stuff. that I don't think you can totally test. You got to go through that with them. And so there is always a risk with that when you spend a first round pick on a quarterback. And with the situation we were in, we were in, didn't want to be that risky, especially with the second pick in the draft. So that is hard. Obviously, it ended up being one of the best players in the league,

along with a couple other quarterbacks that year. But he was extremely talented. Look, the 49ers weren't the only team to not draft Mahomes or Deshawn Watson. But that is an interesting admission. about Kirk there. Well, he's admitted that before. I know. That story's come out, and Mike has told me before that they were willing to, that Kirk was the plan. And I've been told by multiple people that they were willing to give up number two overall for Kirk Cousins, you know, before the 2017 draft. So I want to come back to

that portion of it, which involves the Redskins in a moment. You did hear him say something that I've always heard Mike Shanahan talk about Kyle Shanahan. A lot of these offensive guys. Like, you know, when you draft a quarterback, there's a lot you don't know. There's a lot you can't judge based off of workouts, based off of college system play, based off of, you know, IQ scores, you know, any of those tests that they're given. And it's the thing that you heard him say there about sort of the mind and processing. And it's pre-snap and post-snap. And that's why Kirk Cousins has been so valuable to football people, why they appreciate him, is because what he may lack in some areas. He is as good as anybody pre-snap and what happens post-snap and sort of being

able to identify where to go and get the ball out quickly and the whole thing. And that's what Kyle wanted in his system. He was dead set on Kirk Cousins becoming the quarterback there for those reasons. I mean, we know how fond of Kirk, Mike and Kyle and, you know, Matt LaFleur and other people were in the organization at the time. But you really, once again, you know, you have to come back to this. what in God's name were the Redskins thinking? And why did Dan Snyder allow Bruce Allen to manage this situation? It was managed so poorly. This isn't about whether or not you like Kirk or love Kirk,

whether or not you think Kirk's an elite quarterback or not a starter, whether or not you think you can win or not. It's about managing your roster in a smart way that doesn't have as part of the default, pettiness. part of the reason that the 49ers and Redskins didn't make a deal before that 2017 draft is Bruce and Dan Bruce didn't want to deal with Kyle Shanahan. They hated Kyle more than they hated Mike, and they didn't want to trade Kirk to Kyle Shanahan for a first round pick number two overall.

You know, there's so many people out there that, I mean, that are convinced that Kirk wouldn't have brought anything back more than a third round pick. Oh, well, they're wrong. I know they're wrong. Now, I think there's some debate as to whether or not it would have been number two or their later first round pick that year. But it would have been a first round pick. I've heard they were willing to part with number two overall.

But, you know, remember, they traded with the Bears one spot, and the Bears took Mitch Trubisky in number two when Deshawn Watson and Patrick Mahomes were still on the board. And they took Solomon Thomas, and Solomon Thomas has been a good player, not their best defensive players. That's not the way they thought. But, you know, this is the thing. It's like they were, they operated from, first of all, a position of having no vision, having no ability to sort of evaluate personnel and project what players at key positions would be

and decide, you know, early on, are we going to pay this guy now, or are we going to, you know, risk it and end up being very costly later? And with Kirk, remember, they decided to not. They low-balled them. Kirk didn't accept it. Kirk would have accepted when Sean McVeigh was there after the 2015 season, a deal that, you know, somewhere in the 45 to 50 guaranteed, you know, which would have ended up two years later being like 15th on the, you know, contract rankings for quarterbacks. But once you decided that, you know, he wasn't necessarily the guy and you went down that franchise path, after 2016, you had a responsibility

to move on from him. Absolutely. And this is where a lot of you get confused with my position. Tommy isn't, you know, Aaron, those of you that have limited listening and comprehension ability, I wanted them to sign him early. I wanted them to trade him before 2017 because it was going to be too costly and more likely than not they were going to lose him anyway because they had gotten into that franchise path. They weren't going to franchise him for a third time, which means he was going to make it to make it to free agency. And I knew there would be a market for him.

and the Redskins weren't going to match that market. He weren't going to play for them. So trade him before 2017. I agree. And they had a chance to. They had a chance to trade him to San Francisco and Rukupa first. And instead, because they're petty, because they lack vision. I would also throw in fairly that they thought there was a chance they could win something in 2017.

And they wanted him because they thought their chances of winning in 2017 were much better with him than somebody than Colt McCoy. And that maybe at the end of that year, if they had won, maybe he would have. chosen to stay and sign a team-friendly deal? You know, there was a lot of that internally going on in Ashburn. They're like, yeah, we're going to pay him 24 million second franchise tag. But if we win a division and we win a playoff game, maybe he'll want to stay. But that was delusional too. Yes.

You got a compensatory pick for him. And then you had to trade assets, which included players and picks, to get his replacement the following year, and then pay that guy. You know, who now may never play. football again, Alex Smith. Look, I've always said that the most, and it seems so simple, but it's a problem for some people. The most important question an owner has to face every single day of ownership is what's the best thing for the franchise?

It seems so simple, but it's something that Dan Snyder was unable to answer until he had the barrel of a gun sticking him in the face at the end of this year. with his franchise seemingly on the verge of collapse, and he made two decisions that were based on the best interests of the franchise, getting rid of Bruce Allen and bringing in Ron Rivera. But look what it took for that to happen. That should be the modus up. In other words, an owner should not base his decisions on who he likes

and who he doesn't like. What's the best thing for the franchise? every decision should be based on that. It's really remarkable when you think about just the number of mistakes made, led by a guy who did have some power in the organization, who for 10 years couldn't produce and kept his job. You know, Peter King, we played the sound yesterday. He slipped up and called him the Washington Redskins in an interview with J.P. Finley and Brian Mitchell.

But, you know, he said, you know, there are some people, and he said, me included, who like Bruce. And, you know, we've heard that from Adam Schaefter, you know, among others, that they like him. But there in anybody that would ever be able to explain or just be able to fathom. To justify it. That, you know, this guy stayed around after four years of his production, let alone 10. Yes. 10 years. And, you know, in recent years, some real damage.

Kirk Cousins, not trading him, damage done. an opportunity to really help the franchise, the Trent Williams stuff, not trading him, damage done. Like he wasn't just misstepping where they missed out on an opportunity. They would miss out on an opportunity and simultaneously somehow damage themselves, you know, literally and figuratively. And certainly in the eye of their customer, their fan, they just continually, not only, lost and didn't produce, but they looked

dumber and dumber and meaner and meaner and pettier and pettier throughout the... It's really... It's amazing. Thank God we don't have to do another year of that. Thank God. Yes. Because I am excited about next year's team. Look, if I was a Redskins fan,

I would be very excited about the Ron Rivera era. I mean, there's nothing that's happened so far to make you think that you shouldn't be excited. Right. I mean, so, yeah, I mean, And believe me, nobody more than me understands the owner issue hanging over here. But there is a path.

Like I've said before, there is a path where Ron Rivera can keep the owner at bay. And that's quick early success. I know. You're a big believer in that. And I think there's some truth to that. You know, if somehow they struggle next year and they're four and 12, you know, You know, you can think what you want about this owner, that somehow he had the epiphany and he got so desperate and he's going to take the true step back that we've always wanted him to take and stay the hell out of it. But if you go four and 12 in that first year and there's any sort of drama, I mean, it's, it's always a possibility of him getting in and mucking it up and making it even worse.

Let's remember something. Jerry Jones, Snyder's, you know, role model had a super. Two-time Super Bowl winning coach in Jimmy Johnson. Yeah. And fired him because he couldn't stand the fact that Jimmy was getting credit and Jerry wasn't. Right. So that came into play with Tori and Steinbrenner in baseball. And so it's always a possibility, even if he does have success,

that Snyder being as petty a guy as he is, could turn around and say, oh, everyone's talking about Ron Rivera. or what about me? Right. All right. A couple of other topics. Real quickly, though, Stamps.com.

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morning that, you know, they're moving closer and that negotiations for the NFL players association and the owners as on a new collective bargaining agreement are progressing, you know, without great, you know, confrontation or great, you know, risk to any sort of lockout or holdout or anything in 2021. One of the big things on the table is a 17-game regular season. And it looks like they're making progress towards that. They should be. You take a, couple of preseason games out of the equation, and you add a regular season weekend, and you add potentially two more postseason games wild card weekend with an expanded playoff field, and you're talking about much more money, a bigger and more lucrative television package, that the players

share it. It's not that hard. I don't know why there's resistance to this, because the whole safety issue, the whole concern over, you know, too many games, if you're shortening the preseason, and I know the starters don't play a lot in the preseason, but let's just say they play a quarter. And let's say you cut the preseason two games short. So it's two quarters less that they play during the preseason. So now you're going to add a regular season game, so they play a total of two more quarters of football.

That's really a significant injury or safety concern. The other thing is, I'm sure what will come with this is an additional buy week as a possibility and expanded roster sizes. There has to be an expanded roster size. And you know what? On that note, I thought about this this morning. I don't think I mentioned it this morning.

This 46 game day roster? When they have what? 54. 53? Why? That's ridiculous. Expand it to 60 players, all right? And let all 60 dress.

Yeah. Well, I don't understand. What's the point of it? I don't know. But they have to expand available players in the pool. So teams aren't, so players will always be reluctant to come off the field. So coaches aren't reluctant to take them off the field when they need to. This, would this push it to President's Day weekend?

Yes, so I was doing a little calendar exercise this morning. Aaron and I, we were doing that yesterday with the schedule. We were already looking ahead to the Redskins field conditions and how that would impact the schedule in 20. You would have been, I mean, honestly, you would have been captivated by the conversation. I was captivated once. So let's just say this past season had been a season with a 17-game schedule, schedule and two buy weeks. So that means that the regular season wouldn't have ended on December

29th. It would have ended on January 12th. Wildcard weekend would have been the weekend of the 18th, 19th. Divisional round would have been January 25th, 26th. We would be getting ready for the championship games this Sunday, the two championship games. And then the Super Bowl would be two weeks after that on President's Day weekend. Which is what they want. Which would be great. Then you get the Monday holiday. We wouldn't. We don't. But most people get schools and in government offices and a lot of workers get President's Day off. And it's exactly what the NFL would want, a holiday after a Sunday night, Sunday evening, Sunday night Super Bowl. And I'm going to tell you seriously, God, I don't understand why anybody with this particular product would want less of it.

And if you really think it's somehow going to dilute the product going a few weeks longer, having an extra game, I don't see that. You're not going, I think you should go to 18. But this is insignificant, I think, in the safety conversation. And I think it's very significant in what the customers, what the fans of the sport will get, and what the league will make on doing this, and what the players will ultimately benefit from through increased revenues. You know, Bloomberg had this story that I read late last night. I read a little bit of it this morning.

Basically, I'll paraphrase it, the NFL's now had two. significant back-to-back years of growth after that, you know, after sort of the, that period of some declining ratings and the Kaepernick stuff and the Trump stuff and the 16 election and all that stuff, two big years in a row. And you know, Tommy, they, this league is projecting total revenue within seven years to be a $25 billion. And that the increase on this next television deal, which is up 35% increase on the six and a half billion that. they're already collecting. Well, television doesn't exist anymore without live sports.

Yeah, without live sports. And the NFL being the king of that. So, I mean, television, lifeblood now, it's not just good programming. It's surviving programming for the networks. And there'll probably be new suitors involved in the next television bidding. You know, companies who, wherever streaming is at that point, new companies, involved. Let's just be clear, though. Television ratings are still down from what they were five or six years ago. Is it five or six years ago or now we down? Were they up to a point where now

we've got to go eight, nine years? No, five or six years ago. They're still down. I mean, they're ahead of what they were during the Kaepernick anthem. What you said before that is the only thing that's really truly applicable. And that is without live sports, which the NFL is king of, like exponentially greater in terms of audience than anything else. It's still the most important live television program you can put on because people love it. This is where advertisers want to be. That's why they're willing to pay. That's why, you know, in a way, I know you don't agree with this,

I think the NFL has a shrinking product that seems to grow in value. In the business world, can you have a product that's not growing? Yes. But is growing in value? Well, you can if you have a product that appeals to the right demographic and the right associated advertisers. But that's not what this is. This is mass appeal. The NFL is mass appeal.

And I think if you're talking about shrinking, I don't know that you're talking about a shrinking consumer audience. Because remember, television ratings, as you pointed out many times, or just part of the equation, people consume this product in so many other ways now. But if you're talking about the, prospect of fewer and fewer playing this sport at the youth level, the concern with concussion and all of that, hurting and hampering the product down the road. I don't, it certainly, it certainly impacts your field of, of, you know, possible employees. You know, your, your target list of employees may be shrinking, but there's always going to be a demographic, a less economic demographic that will take the risk and play football because

there's a lot of money. I know that. You may run out of the number of opportunities for supply, but you're not going to run out of supply in total. You're going to have enough people to play this sport. Let me ask you another business question. You have a very successful business where a chunk of the narrative is how dangerous. dangerous it is.

Isn't that, doesn't, isn't that harmful eventually? I mean, you, you know, from boxing it is. I mean, if everyone says every year that this is, this is, this is, if people are writing this is terrible, this is terrible, even though you're, you know, people are watching it, at some point, that takes a toll. Yeah, it's just ironic that what, what may hurt the actual game more is the, the decrease of physical, you know, sort of football and football plays. The legislation of some of the attractiveness of the sport, the real physical, the big hits out of the sport.

I think that hurts the sport, too, to a certain degree. I think that that does not appeal to the audience. We get into, you know, all of these things. Like, eventually the NFL is just going to have to have players sign some sort of liability waiver that says, I understand the risks. But I'm going to play anyway for a lot of money. You know, I mean, you have a lot of a lot of, a lot of. You know, that are protected, in a lot of these cases, you know, very strong unions to back them. You have a lot of professional careers that come with great risk.

Your eyes should be open at this time if you're an NFL player. This is why I think you have some players stepping away early. Because I think they're, I mean, this is not like in the 80s, the 70s, 80s, and the 90s, where the owners were accused of hiding information about the long-term damage. They're out there. Everybody knows what the damage is now. One last thing before I get to a couple of other things, including something off of Kobe Bryant's death. If they go to a 17-game schedule, I want them to expand the playoff format by one team per conference, which is what they're talking about.

So seven playoff teams, each conference, 14 in total, from where they are now, six per conference, 12 total. And then I want them to seed. I've mentioned this many times in the past. And apparently this is not, you know, on the table that the owners are against this. I don't know why they would be against this. I would cede the field one to seven so you don't have 12 and four wild card teams playing at 8 and 8 division winners. I just think it's competitively unfair. I wouldn't change the way you qualify for the playoffs for division winners.

So even if you go 6 and 10 or 7 and 9, you make the playoffs if you win the division. But you're not then you're rewarded because you won the division. you're not doubly rewarded by getting home field advantage. I just think that, you know, 12 and 4 shouldn't be playing at 8 and 8. And I disagree. I think winning the division should really be something that gets you a lot. I think the benefit of it should be you qualify for the playoffs. Well, there's nobody else in your division that has a better record.

Well, I understand that. The divisions might as well not exist. No. If you didn't make the playoffs for winning your division. Well, I'm not advocating that. I'm saying win the division you're in the playoffs. I understand that. And maintaining the structure of four divisions per conference.

The alternative with that to be no divisions at all. Yeah, I'm not for that. Okay. I'm for seven playoff teams per conference. The four division winners automatically get in and then the next best three records get in. So that determines the playoff field. So you're in a division, you win the division. You're in the postseason.

You're in the playoffs. You get that as a reward. even if you're a 7-9 team, a sub-500 team with maybe the 10th best record in the conference, you're in if you win the division. I just want once the seven teams are qualified to cede them 1-7. So you're not guaranteed of playing a home field game if you win the division. You've got to be one of the top, you know, four seeds to play a home game. I like it the way it is. I know you do.

The other thing is with a 17-game schedule, I'd play three division games against each division opponent. I'd have nine of my games be division games. Three against the Cowboys, three against the Eagles, three against the giants each year. I know that's a radical idea. But think about this. As important as the divisions are, and I'm all for the divisions, the rivalries are super important to the sport. You play a 16 game schedule right now, and only six of the 16 are against division teams. 10 are against non-division teams.

If you go to a 17 game schedule, six out of 17 are going to be division games, 11 are going to be non-division games. That's good point. So if you want to increase or enhance the rivalry games, go to three times a year playing the Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles, and play eight games against the rest of your league. And you got a better chance of filling up Ghost Town Field with visiting fans when you're playing nearby division rivals.

So last topic. Actually, I do want to hear your thoughts on Dusty. But Kobe Bryant's death on Sunday, you know, lots of different thoughts. But one of the thoughts I had was, man, we never got to see Kobe Bryant's death. Kobe versus LeBron. It was one of those matchups everybody wanted to see in the finals. We never got the Lakers against Cleveland. We never got the Lakers against Miami.

We never got the Lakers against Cleveland again with Kobe Bryant. We were close. In 2009, Orlando beat Cleveland in the Eastern Conference finals, and the Lakers ended up playing Orlando in the finals and beating them. That was the second title for Kobe without Shaq. They beat the Celtics in 2008, right? and then 2010, whatever it was. The Lakers beat the Celtics lost to the Celtics and beat Orlando.

Yeah, Celtics and then, right, exactly. Then Lakers' 9 and then Lakers beat the Celtics. So I was thinking about those sports matchups. I did this on radio this morning and took a lot of calls. People got into it about that sports matchup, whether player versus player or team versus team that we never saw that we wanted to see. Do you want me to go first? Because I bet you've got a couple of boxing.

Oh, I've got one boxing in particular. What's the first thing that jumps off your... Well, again, having covered the boxing during this error, Riddick Bow and Lennox Lewis. A caller called in with that. That would have been great. I mean, they fought each other in the Olympics and Riddick lost. They came really close a couple of times to fighting in real life.

In fact, there was a fight probably lined up, and then Lewis got knocked out by Oliver. McCall in one round basically and lost the titles. But that's a fight that should have happened. I also would have liked to have seen a couple of guys fight Tyson. Riddick fight Tyson would have been fun. George Foreman, I think, would have shocked a lot of people if he fought Mike Tyson. A 44-year-old George Foreman, I think, would have bounced Mike Tyson all over the ring.

So I had a boxing one. I've always wondered about this matchup, and I remember in the 80s thinking I'd love to see this matchup. I wanted to see Sugar Ray Leonard fight Aaron Pryor. That's a real good one. Because Aaron Pryor, for those of you that remember boxing in the 80s, when really the middle classes dominated the sport with Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hurons, Roberto Duran, Pippino Quavis, Wilfred Benitez. You can go through with the whole list of all the great fighters during that era. Aaron Pryor, who was really a light welterweight. He had legendary fights with Alexis Argueo.

Two legendary fights with Argueo, where he really hurt Argueo both times in two knockouts of Argueo. If you look at Aaron Pryor's career, now he had drug issues and he had psychological issues and he had some major issues, he had one of the most awkward fighting styles. You remember? It wasn't traditional. It wasn't polished. but there was something about the way he fought that made people afraid. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely.

The Hawk, he was called. The Hawk. Aaron the Hawk prior. And if you look at his career, he didn't fight any of those guys. None of them wanted any part of him. No, nobody wanted a part of him. And that's crazy. He didn't fight any of the big names of that era.

Now, I know he was a weight class below, but he could have moved up to the Welter weight class. You know, or in some of those cases, you know, some of those guys could have moved down, but more likely than that, Prior could have moved up into the Welterweight class and fought a Duran or fought a Hernes or fought Leonard. Maybe he was too far below somebody like Hagler, but Leonard and Pryor would have been incredible. Yes, would have been great.

Who do you think would have won that fight? Oh, I'm going with Ray. I'll go with Ray. It would have been an interesting fight. Remember, Aaron Pryor in the first Argueo fight, I think it was like the 13th round, where his trainer, Panama Lewis, basically he's banned from boxing.

You know, uh, he was, he, uh, his, his, his second in the corner gave prior a bottle to drink

water from. And, and, and Panama Lewis said, no, the other bottle. Right. You know,

and supposedly this bottle was, oh, it's dressed up with something. Yeah. And he came out like, he was crazy. Like, like a wild man.

Yeah. And basically, you know, stopped, stop, Urgoo there. Uh, so he,

he was a suspicious character, but you're right. That's a great one. Sugar Ray and Aaron Pryor. So here's the other one. It would have been awesome to have seen in the 85 season when the dolphins beat the bears for their only loss on that legendary Monday night game in December of 85. When the bears were undefeated, going for an undefeated record, and all the 72 dolphins are on the sideline, and the dolphins lit up the 85 bear defense. Nobody scored against them pretty much the entire year.

Nobody moved. And Marino and company diced. They were up 31 to 10 at halftime. They won 38 to 24. And the Dolphins played the Patriots in the AFC title game at the Orange Bowl. So we were two weeks away from the rematch, Dolphins Bears. The Patriots with Tony Easton at quarterback. With Tony Aeson.

And I looked at the box score last night. He was 10 of 12, but threw three touchdowns in 10 completions. But what they did have is they had Craig James. And they had Tony Collins, and they ran the ball. And they held it for 40 of the 60 minutes against the dolphins and the orange Bowl and beat the Dolphins, went to that Super Bowl and got absolutely obliterated. 46 to 10. That matchup would have been one of the biggest and most anticipated Super Bowl matchups

of all time. Marino and the Dolphins, the only team to have beaten the Bears during the regular season in a rematch in the Superdome in that particular Super Bowl. That's the one football matchup that I would have loved to have seen. I had a lot of people calling with various things. People said Pachial Mayweather earlier would have been better. Michael Mickelson and Tiger together paired on the final day of the Masters. I know you don't care about that, but that never happened. One Aaron that you'll remember, when Maryland won the national title in 2002,

it was assumed that Maryland and Duke were headed towards a national championship showdown that year. They were really the two best teams in the country, and they missed playing each other in that ACC tournament because Maryland got knocked off in the semis by NC State. got beat in a Sweet 16 by Indiana. Shocking upset, because Indiana was not that good, but then Indiana went on to the finals, where Maryland beat them in the finals. And a lot of people, and I felt the same way, I remember rooting for Duke. I wanted Maryland to get revenge on Duke in the final four, because it was the year before

they lost in the final four. And they were set in terms of the brackets to face each other in an NCAA title game, and that would have been pretty cool to see. A couple of people said that Duke and Carolina have never played each other in the NCAA tournament. Never. So a lot of people would like to see that at some point. They've been very close to playing each other. They've been in the same final fours together a couple of times, but didn't end up playing each other in the finals.

Yes. That's all I got, though. That's right. Other than I'd like to see Dave Martinez manage against Dusty Baker. And that's going to happen. That's going to happen a lot of times. Dusty Baker just got hired. They're having a press conference, I think, today in Houston to officially announce it.

It's a one-year deal, I think, with a club option. What do you think of that one-year deal? Well, I mean, are they going to bring Hinchback a year from now? No, I don't think so. I don't think they're going to bring Hinge back. Okay. I mean, you know, I think, you know, they had Dusty wanted in. You know, Dusty wanted in.

and was going to take pretty much any deal they offered. So that's what they did. You know, they, I mean, will it undermine him in the clubhouse? It may. It may undermine him in the clubhouse. Guys with long-term contracts can look at Dusty and say, well, I'm going to be here next year. You're not going to be here next year.

You've got no contract beyond this year. But he's the perfect choice for the Astros in terms of, look, I think most fans could care less who's managing the Astros. I think the Astros are going to be the villains of baseball throughout the year. But Dusty's so likable. But for fans, I don't think it'll matter much. I think they'll still get booed. Inside the business of baseball, it will repair a lot of bad feelings.

Inside the business of the game, there will be a little bit less animosity towards the Astros because Dusty is managing them. And February 16th, I'll be going to spring training in West Palm, beach where the nationals train in the same building with the Astros. So I'll be able to see Dusty as well as spend time with the Nationals. The first exhibition game of the year is Saturday, February 22nd, Astros and Nationals. And it was learned yesterday that because the Astros are American League champions, Dusty Baker will manage the American League team in the All-Star game against Dave Martin.

Martinez, the National League champions. A lot of unique wild stuff going on. They're also playing July 4th. That's right, here in D.C. The Astros are playing the Nationals here in D.C., Dusty v. Davy. I didn't think the Astros were on the schedule. Yeah. I didn't know that.

I thought, Aaron, we looked that up a couple of weeks ago for whatever reason and that the Astros weren't on the Nat schedule in 2020. You're sure about that? Well, he's double-checked now. I'm pretty sure that's right. Okay. Yeah, July 4th is on a Saturday and that weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, the Astros are in town. Wow. Yeah.

That's what a great July 4th game that is. I know. Oh, yeah, here it is. Yeah, so they just played three against Houston. Yeah. That series. Yeah, and her league play. Wow.

Friday, July 3rd, Saturday, July 4th, 11.05 a.m. early in the day. And then July 4th is on a weekend. Saturday this summer, and then Sunday, July 5th. You know what? I still didn't get some tickets from your event that night. You didn't? No, I never got them. Well, I mean, it's not my responsibility.

You know, I gave you the information. You're just so woeful and following up on stuff. I actually did follow up. And did you hear anything? Eventually, it took some time to get a response. Well, maybe you need to be a little bit better at it. The truth is, I couldn't have cared less. I asked for a couple of options, and he didn't have those as options.

I'm sure he will make it up to you for next year. And then what ended up happening is all that was left were the playoffs. And I said, well, what about a playoff game? He said, no for the playoffs, which is fine. I understand that. And I said, we'll just figure it out next year. He said, good. Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen.

He will make it up to you next year, I'm sure. Yes. The Nats open up the season on the road in New York. Oh, they open up with six road games. Yeah. And they opened in March. Westgate just dropped odds for opening day. Nats are underdogs in that first game.

Against the Mets, against Noah Sindegard, probably. Or DeGrom. Or DeGrom. And then their home opener as defending World Series champions comes on Thursday night, April. Thursday day, April 2nd, 105 home opener against the Mets. So there you go. God, I wish Anthony Rendon were still on the team. Yeah, I know.

That's it. That's all I got. Oh, I want a Super Bowl pick from you. Oh, I'll take the Chiefs 3530. All right, that'd be a hell of a game. Yes. All right, have a good weekend. You too, boss.

Thank you, Aaron. Enjoy the day, everybody back tomorrow with a lot of Super Bowl talk, a lot of Super Bowl betting talk. We'll have a lot of the prop bets. Aaron's responsibility is to come up with the best prop bets and pick a side and then give me the sheet and I'll pick the sides too. That's what we'll do tomorrow. I'm not a big prop bet guy. I'm relying on Aaron to come up with the most interesting prop bet opportunities.

That sounds interesting. Not as interesting as my television, though, right? Hey, just be careful on the right home going past any laundromats there. Have a great day, everybody.