The Kevin Sheehan Show - Suter's Film Answer To Kurt Warner's JD "Regression"

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Kevin opened with his reaction to Kurt Warner's critical video analysis of Jayden Daniels' game Sunday night against the Seahawks. Then it was Steve Suter back for another "film breakdown" of the Commanders' loss to Seattle on Sunday night including his own analysis and grade on Jayden's performance. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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You can go to Window Nation.com as well. Mention my name. I know the Window Nation people very well have been doing this for them. For the last 15 years, they love when they get customers from my radio show or from the podcast. I promise you they'll take really good care of you. Steve Souter's film breakdown on the show today of the Seattle game. We'll get to that in about 15 minutes or so. A very interesting Steve Suter film breakdown today for many of you

because of a certain Hall of Fame quarterback's criticism of Jaden Daniels' game Sunday night against Seattle. This from Aiden in Chicago. Aden writes Kevin, big skins fan out here in the Midwest. I've been a listener and have never called or written until today. I think you got way ahead of your skis on our brittle quarterback. He might be better than the QB here in Chicago, but not some of the others that were taken in the same draft. Have you heard about Hall of Fame quarterback Kurt Warner's criticism of Daniel's second season. You should listen to it. I thought all along you had gone a bit too far in your praise after one season.

Looks like you did. Thank you for that, Aidan. This from Gary. Gary writes, watch this Kev, and he links to the Kurt Warner video analysis of Jaden's Sunday night against Seattle. I told you this. He's a running QB can't win long term with the. guys. He was lucky last year, never really processed it, never really saw it like Warner said,

just made plays off platform all season long. They made a big mistake. Another one from Wayne. Wayne writes, are you going to argue with one of your favorite QBs, Kurt Warner? I know you loved him as a player. Well, he doesn't like your quarterback very much. Watch his video, breakdown of Daniels. So for those that didn't see it, and maybe haven't even heard about it, Kurt Warner, yes, the Kurt Warner, who is Wayne, yes, one of my all-time favorite quarterbacks, always was. I loved Kurt Warner and the way he played the position. And I remember during those years in which he had just retired the debate about whether or not he was a Hall of Famer, and I'm like, of course he's a Hall of Famer. And some of the pushfamer, and some of the push

back on Warner was if he had just won one more Super Bowl. You know, he was in three, two with the Rams, the one they lost to the Patriots, the one they beat Tennessee, excuse me, and then the one they lost to the Patriots, and then with the Cardinals, when they lost to the Steelers. Yeah, I was a big Kurt Warner fan and always thought that he was an absolute Hall of Famer, which, of course, he is. Well, Kurt's been very active, you know, over the last couple of years. on social media, doing analysis of players and games and teams.

I think he's also, right, an analyst on Westwood One's coverage of the NFL, maybe even on NFL Network. I think he's on NFL Network as well. He's very good. Now, I have noticed on social media in particular, some pushback on some of his takes from other players, quarterbacks, et cetera. But I like his analysis. and when I see it on social media, I typically watch it, in part because I just thought he was one of the smartest, fastest processing, quickest releases of all time.

So yeah, his video analysis of Jaden's game against Seattle, I did watch it. And the message was essentially this. Jaden has regressed in his second season. So a few takeaways from the video and also kind of in response to some of these emails and tweets that I've gotten. So first of all, for those of you who didn't see it, it was just the Seattle game, you know, not the season as a whole. He took, you know, a few plays from the Seattle game and talked about those plays. Secondly, he never said what Gary, you said he said, that he got lucky last year and that he didn't process it and didn't see it and just made off-platform plays all year.

He never said that. In fact, he made the point to say the opposite of that, insisting that the things he was about to be critical of, Jaden did very well last year, so he knows he can do it. I mean, why would he be doing a video about regression if there was nothing to regress from? Come on, Gary, a little common sense applied, please. And for you, Wayne, he never said he. He doesn't like Jaden Daniels when you said he doesn't like your quarterback much.

He says how great and how on point he was last year and how much he really does like Jaden Daniels, which is why he's a bit surprised that he's not executing it the way that he thinks he should. Thirdly, he had several plays that he used to kind of cite missed opportunities where Jaden should have thrown the football. he mentioned that there is a lot of context to everything that he's talking about and that there were probably reasons for why he wasn't doing some of the things that he thought he should be doing. But there's no doubt. He was very clear and he used examples where he thinks in his analysis of these plays that he's not seeing it the way he did last year.

You know, there was an occasional, you know, analysis where I think down and distance may have been a factor, and he didn't necessarily mention that. But it wasn't necessarily material or game changing to what he was describing. But on a few plays that he went through, I saw some of it for sure. You know, if all of you who emailed or tweeted this video to me thought that I was going to respond by saying, yeah, he doesn't know what he's talking about. the Hall of Famer doesn't know what he's talking about. No, I thought it was for the most part reasonable, but it was also just one game and some plays from that one game. A game in which, in my view,

there was a lot of context, which he acknowledged. There's probably a lot of context and some reasons around this. I mean, we know what the context is, you know, major receiver issues, you know, which I think's impacted his, you know, rhythm. his confidence, his trust, a pass rush on Sunday night that, for the most part, messed up a lot of the timing. You know, per next gen, it was the highest pressure rate he's ever faced in his career. I think there's some rust from being in and out of the lineup, you know, with two previous injuries and not really having a chance to kind of play his way into the season, you know, with any level of consistency. You know, part of the context is the defense is so bad that every time he steps on the field,

they have to score a touchdown or they'll be down another seven points. I didn't think Sunday night the game plan and the play calling was very good. I like Cliff Kingsbury, but I said that in my, you know, post-game recap that I did not like the overall plan. So, yeah, there's some context, but there's also evidence from some of the play. plays that Warner used, that he may have hesitated to throw the ball, to pull the trigger for the reasons that Kurt Warner mentioned that he's not seeing it as clearly as he was last year. Several of you also sent me the video, but also tied it to video analysis day here on this show with Steve Souter.

This from T82. T82 writes, can't wait to hear what Souter says about Daniels. Kurt Warner roasted him. From Yale and Bethesda. Kevin, please have Steve Suter address the Kurt Warner evaluation of Jaden Daniels. Warner's take was respectful, but also somewhat damning. So, yeah, Steve is going to do the film breakdown today, and I am very much looking forward to it as well.

I can't we we break it down into basically three segments you know he talks about the game as a whole his takeaways from the game then he does the quarterback he'll do jaden Daniels and then and that's the part i'm looking forward to today as well especially in the wake of all of this and then he gives the top three and the bottom three performers on both offense and defense so we will get to that here shortly one other quick thing on all of the these responses about the Kurt Warner video. This is not directed to the significant majority of you, but just a few of you. There's like with some of you in the wake of this video that kind of went viral in our world, like there's a certain gleeful reaction to it. Some of you seem to be thrilled, excited about Warner's evaluation. Why? Okay, well, maybe a few of you, not many of you, but maybe a few of you watched them last year and said, yeah, I don't see it. Smoke and mirrors, you know, or it was all, you know, scheme or whatever. I think there are a few of you that came away from last year, you know, feeling that way, but certainly not a lot of you.

I mean, we talked about this all off season. I did call-in segments, you know, especially when people would write, you know, in the national media. Will he or won't he have a sophomore slump season like C.J. Stroud had? I would do call-in segments. I probably did at least two of them, where we asked, have we crowned him too early? Or have we gotten carried away with Jaden Daniels after just one year? And overwhelmingly, the answer was, nope, not with this guy. That was a season you don't have if it's not real. You know, I mean, look, the injury concern, you know, because of the frame, the body type,

I get that that has been a concern from day one. It was always my number one concern and really my only concern, you know, leading into the 2024 draft. But other than that, I would say anecdotally, nine out of ten, nine out of ten fans or, you know, listeners anyway to this show and my radio show, were 100% bought in on him after last season. Now, not necessarily before he played, because there were Drake May and J.J. McCarthy fans before the draft. You know, many people thought, you know, Caleb Williams, who they weren't going to have a chance of getting.

But the mass majority of you, regardless of what you thought of him before the draft, after you saw the greatest rookie season in the history of the game, you know, and by the way, literally become the first rookie QB to lead his team, lead his team, to a conference championship game. The other rookies that did it all did it on the backs of a great defense or a great running game or a combo of both. He did it with a bad defense. He did it with, you know, very little else offensively.

I think once we, you know, the people that may have been hesitant before the draft, almost everybody was bought in. So a lot of this, like from Aden in Chicago, I sense a little bit of revisionist history on his part. And also, by the way, way too premature for any of this conversation. But anyway, I think the reaction from some of you on the Kurt Warner video is just, it's got to be PTSD. It's got to be post-traumatic Snyder syndrome. I mean, it's a real thing.

Last year had to be a fluke because good things don't last for fans of this team. I get it. You know, Tommy and I talk about it all the time. I don't feel the same way. I think this is a totally different organization than it was. I don't have post-traumatic Snyder syndrome. I have absolutely no fear, despite Kurt Warner's thoughts about one game, that Jaden Daniels isn't going to be what I think and thought he was going to be before the draft, definitely thought he was going to be after last season.

And that is a high level, elite level franchise quarterback. My one and only concern is health, you know, and keeping them upright. And it's more of a concern for sure after this year. You know, are we going to go through, you know, every year like Cincinnati has, like Baltimore has, like a lot of teams do. Most quarterbacks aren't always healthy and play every, you know, game. But it was always about kind of the frame and whatever. I mean, I thought that there was perhaps something to be concerned about. But I wasn't like concerned like you can't take him.

I mean, I was always all in on taking him. I trust in Adam Peters to put a good team around them. I still trust in Dan Quinn to be the head coach here for the next several years. I still trust in Cliff Kingsbury as the OC. I believe that this season's results so far are a result of number one and then count five spaces before you get to number two, number one, because this team has been crippled by injuries. All right, speaking of those injuries, this was Dan Quinn a little bit earlier today with an up.

With Jane, not on IR, what's the update on him, you know, with the plan for him? Yep. We are actually going through like a final medical meeting today regarding, you know, second opinions and that to put the plan together. So we should have an update for you here, you know, the next day or so. Just being thorough through the whole process, like all the guys, make sure all the opinions and then gather all the end. foe and then make the decisions from there. So another day or so until we find out how long Jaden's going to be out, I believe, based on just a few conversations that this is not going to be season ending.

It's not going to be season long. It's not a devastating injury. It's not career threatening, anything like that. I think when we hear what it is, it's going to be like a three to four, three to five, three to six week injury, something like that, you know, depending on. his rehab, et cetera. And we'll have the conversation when he's healthy enough. Hopefully that's true.

But we'll have the conversation when he's healthy enough to play whether or not we think he should play. Now, my gut on how I will feel when he is healthy enough and ready to play is that he should play, even if they're mathematically eliminated. Like, let's say it's a four-week injury. Okay, well, four weeks, he's only going to miss three games. Detroit, Madrid against the Dolphins. Then they have their buy week, and then it's Denver on the Sunday night Thanksgiving weekend.

So there would be five games left the whole month of December and the game in January, the season finale against Philadelphia. If he's healthy enough to play, I want him to play. You know, I don't want this season to be a five-and-a-half game season, which is what it would be if he doesn't play again this year. Not only five-and-a-half games, but really, no time with the team that we thought he was going to be out there with. You know, it started without Cosmi and then pretty much continued without Terry and without Noah

Brown and without Austin Eccler and, you know, et cetera. He's a second-year player. Yeah, I believe in him, and I believe that he's going to be it for the next 10 years here. You know, knock on wood on health. but I don't want him to sit, you know, an entire month and a half if he's healthy to play. I think some of you are going to push for him not to play, especially if the offense continues to be a shell of what we thought it would be. And he's going to be out there in December against Minnesota and the Giants and the Eagles twice and the Cowboys, you know, on Christmas Day without, you know, a legitimate chance to succeed. I still think he can elevate a team that is minus players.

Look, there's a lot of evidence that I'm wrong about that. I get that, especially on Sunday night. But Sunday night was also a ridiculously good opponent. And the defense was and is horrendous. But in terms of offensive productivity, I still think, you know, against Chicago, they were productive. against Dallas, it wasn't like they were totally unproductive. Against the chargers, they were very productive, obviously. You know, on Sunday night, they were not very productive.

That's for sure. But if he's back and healthy in a month, in five weeks, whatever, and there are four or five games left, I want him to play in them. I think that's how I will feel, subject to change, I guess. Dan Quinn was asked a follow-up question by John, time just about the injury riddled season and the toll that it's taking on the team. Here's the question and the answer from the coach. We've talked a lot about the physical toll of the injuries, just like guys who are missing,

what's the mental toll on this many injuries on a team when you see? I know it's next man up, but what's the mental toll like? Yeah, it's a great question, John. It is because there's continuity issues that take place first off when you have an injury of people, you know, not in sync all the time together. But the mental toll is definitely a big one. It's also for the guys that are out, you know, some that are out that will come back,

some that are out for the season. And the ones that I worry about are the ones out for the season. As far as the mental toll collectively team, like everybody goes through it, you know, and some stuff, not injuries, but I'm saying hard things and you find your way and you adapt. But it's better to acknowledge it, talk about it, and find the best plan moving forward.

And if you have the right mindset to go solve the problems, then, okay, this is what we need to go do, and this is how we need to go do it. I think just being straight about it, John is the best approach to eliminate any doubt. This is how we're going to go win, and each game is winnable, and you have to say this is how we're going to go do it for this game.

Dan Quinn on the mental toll of this injury-riddled season. He was asked actually later on, in the press conference about the hardest part of the injuries with respect to roster management. And he said the hardest part is when you get hit with multiples at the same position like they have at wide receiver and defensive end. Because essentially he said, you know, you then have to go beyond the guys that have been with you since the offseason, you know, beyond guys on the practice squad, see Traylon Burks, who they had to sign and bring in and play for. for, you know, 30 plus snaps after being there for, you know, a week or so on Sunday night.

That sort of made sense, right? Like, it's one thing if you, you know, lose a D-end, you lose a wide receiver, you lose a running back, you lose a linebacker, you lose a D.B, you lose a tackle, you lose. But when you lose your top three defensive ends and you lose, you know, at this point now, three of your top four receivers, yeah, it can be a lot more challenging to make it work. By the way, Frankie Louvre's suspension overturned upon appeal, he'll just pay a $100,000 fine. I think that makes sense. I think a suspension for the three hip drop tackles that I witnessed on video, I think at some point intention has to be a part of it. And he,

did not appear to be attempting to take somebody out. These were tackles and it just sort of fell into a hip-drop, you know, moments. So they are fining him, but they heard his appeal and overturned the suspension so he will play on Sunday against Detroit. All right, let's get to Steve Souter's film breakdown and hear what he has to say about Jaden Daniels next after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, Goldbelly is fast becoming one of my favorite websites. I've told you about it previously. We've ordered through Gold Belly now many times. It's a site where you can get the most iconic, famous foods from restaurants, legendary restaurants, across the country. They'll ship it to you anywhere you live in the United States. Have you ever had pizza from Johns of Bleaker Street in the

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I was watching most of the live, but then going into the all-22, you know, guys. worse. If Seattle plays Washington 10 times, they beat them 10 times. That was what I got out of that. Just a much better team on both sides of the ball, better prepared on both sides of the ball, and I think have better playmakers and positions where necessary on both sides of the ball. So really rough, maybe, you know, level check for Washington there from watching Seattle perform. And overall, takeaway, if I'm looking at Seattle, Sam Donald looked amazing. His timing was incredible. His accuracy was incredible. His knowledge pre-snap was right on point with his post-snap confirmation. So I was really impressed with him from the standpoint of a quarterback that's been a journeyman.

I know he played well last year. Shockingly, the Vikings let him pass after what I watched. Defensively, really sound in the back end. Seattle was much more so than Washington has been all season so you can tell they're better coached or just have smarter players in secondary. And then overall, from the standpoint on both sides of the ball from Washington, I would, I'll say I'll start with defense. I was pretty disappointed just from the personnel decision in the beginning. You don't have Jacob Martin in the game to start the game. I don't get it. He's your, in my opinion, in your top three of best players on your defense now that you sustain those injuries.

And he had a great game against the Chiefs, and he's tough against the run. And so what I think they thought they were doing is going big against Seattle to try to stop the run with Jalen Holmes, at the end or they put in the line. You said something, I just want to be clear. You were disappointed that Jacob Martin wasn't in the game to start. Correct. Yeah, okay. It sounded like you said

was in the game. Yeah, go, that's fine. Go ahead. Sorry, yeah, it wasn't. I think it's a coaching mistake. They think they're going big on big, and they want more weight on the outside to help set edge and stop the run game. But that is, that's not how you have to stop the run. You want somebody that wants

to stop the run. It wants to play hard. It wants to set the edge. And so I was very disappointed. You saw Seattle attack the edges in the very, their first possession they ran a sweep and Jalen Holmes can't set the edge. They get outside. They get a good game. Then they come back for a jet sweep to JSN. They can't set the edge again. He gets around the outside. Then they go back to Jalen again. They can't set the edge. And every time I'm watching them, like, why is Jacob Martin not the guy there? And I just think that's flawed from the beginning. Then, well, we'll get into it as specific. I'll show you to play.

They start, man, I can't wait to show you this play. You know what? Let's just go to it. You mind? No, that's fine. Watch it. Since I'm on my rant right here, right? Let's go to the first play coming out of halftime.

So go third quarter, 14, 55. Martin starts coming out of halftime, all right? Then start them in the beginning game. He started out of half time. And they're going to sweep right at him. And watch this guy just annihilate the tight end to set this edge and blow this whole play up. And so this is what I don't get up. Yeah.

Why don't you start with him? Why don't you start within him? Well, you think he can't do it. Look, he's show. Now, the reaction of Martin, he's yelling at Washington's sideline, and I'm not going to put words his mouth, but in my opinion, he's saying, that's why you can start me, dude. That's why I can do this.

You see that? Yeah, I see him. That is going right at the sideline. So to me, again, I'm making some assumptions here, but this is him being angry that they didn't start him and told him they were going to start him because they want a bigger body to set the edge. And him, he blows up the play. and he is yelling back at his sideline

saying, I told you so essentially. So I think he's on the same page I am. I don't understand that coaching decision at all, really. So we kind of got into specific there. But my overall thought, saying just outmatched Washington was, both of the, well, obviously personnel plays a big issue here. You don't have anybody playing.

Everybody's hurt. You just have personnel problems. Zach Ertz is basically a retired tight end who's starting for you. you got two retired players on defense and von Miller and Preston Smith when they come in. They're retired, but they're playing. They're retired. So you think in their own mind, they have, they're done. Well, in their own mind or just quality of play, there's got to be able to, there's got to be better players out there that you can put on the field that can give you some body production. When you put Preston Smith in, you're just chalking up a play, I don't know. I would, if I was a, if I was a,

defense, I'd call an audible, excuse me, in offense, I'd call an audible and run right at him, or I'd call a deep pass, because I'm not worried about pass rush. Von Miller, too, I can't remember last time I was seen him actually, you know, make a pressure that's significant in the ballgame. So you just, you got no bodies. And I'm not sure, I think we kind of touched on it last week, what you can do about it. I'm stunned that they didn't make a move, but maybe they didn't have any way to make a move. I would have tried to move pain.

He's one of your biggest names, I guess, fell on D. defense. He's been one of the most disappointing performance for me all season. He's had two good games. The rest I get angry watching him. I would have tried to move him for a fourth round fix something. That's what I would have done from a Roth's

perspective. I don't know. I'm not in the war room with the GM. Right. Yeah, I think people are surprised that they didn't Yeah, I think people are surprised that they didn't make any moves. I mean, for all we know, they tried and, you know, the offers back were just not worth taking. But yeah, I mean, Duran Payne and

And guys like Wiley and Allegredy on offense, you know, veteran guys that can step into it. Yeah, but they didn't move anybody. They didn't move anybody. So they just didn't have a chance to win this game at all. It was too blatantly obvious. They're just outmatched. And the scheme, too, right? So let's go offense.

They just don't, they can't get anybody open. And if they do, it's rare, maybe three or four plays, really of all the snaps I'm watching, offensively, when Jayden's trying to drop back and fast. that he's had an option to throw a solid football too. They got a lot of cover three. Seahawks showed a lot of cover four shell and cover two shell beginning, mostly rolled into cover three for the most part. That has to be their MO.

I haven't watched their games. I haven't scout them. You would imagine Washington did. I would have a bunch of cover three beaters in there. Bring in zone pressure. You got to be able to see this. You got to be able to scout it and have played to try to take advantage of. But Jaden just doesn't have that option.

And I'm getting worried that he is going to have just some mental blocks going to thrown out every game, every possession with receivers that can't get open, play schemes that are taking advantage of the defense in front of him. So he doesn't have options, then he has to start scrambling. That was evident to me watching the game. So he had 10 carries at the end of the game, only one of which was a called run, and that was the one-yard touchdown. So that's nine scrimmints.

Even the play got hurt on. It's an RPO. He's trying to get it to Debo, hopefully. with the guys in his face, so then he has to tuck the ball and run. But that was an RPO that he had a chance to throw the football and still had to scramble. So he's got eight scrambles in the game, and that's because nobody's open. And that is concerning. And I'm making notes as the game's going on, meanwhile, I was watching it alive,

and I don't want to do my own horn here. Everybody's after the fact getting on Dan Quinn because he left him in, and rightly so. It's inexcusable, and I don't want to pile on of that. but I texted Swope, our mutual friend, in the second quarter, once it was 28 Zip, and my comment with him was, Dan doesn't have the cahoonas, but I would pull out all my dominant, all my premium players right now.

Second quarter, 28-0-0, I'm calling a game, and there's just no reason to get him to be able to start. You're not coming back. You're out match here. Now, is that wrong to just point out, Dan? Probably, because no coach is going to do that. nobody has the stones in the league to make that type of cog. And I get it.

People come out to the game. They spend their money. They want to see Jayland play. You can't pull them in the second quarter. But if you're thinking outside the box, I would have done that. There's just no reason to put them through it. And it's because up to that point in San Cori's had six unscheduled runs. And you've got to say to yourself, okay, every time we drop back to pass, we're putting him in danger.

Because nobody's open. And the only way we're going to move the ball is if he uses his seat. That's just a recipe for getting hurt. So those things are just adding up. There are several times, why aren't you taking him out now? Why don't you take him out now? In the third quarter, why aren't you taking him out?

So I'm sure you've been, you know, beating that dead horse on your podcast with people chiming in on their thoughts. But I just don't see options for him down the field. There's a couple of times we can go through the play. I mean, I've marked him. He's laid on a play here. Let's go to seven.

Well, let's wait for the specifics on you. Jaden when we get to Jaden because I just want to just real quickly. So a couple of things about, you know, the idea of pulling, you know, your key players in the second quarter, including the quarterback. I don't think it has anything to do with, you know, he's worried about what the fans came out and paid to see. I just think the two things. One, you know, it was 31 to 7 at half time. Remember, he coached a Super Bowl in which he had a 28 to 3 lead over New England. So you're still thinking at 31-7, three touchdowns, three two-point conversions. By the way, the game was over. Anybody that was watching it knew it was over, but I'm just trying to put myself into his shoes.

The second part is, you know, the NFL's different. I'll probably. You're mentioning two teams in the Super Bowl. I know. Of course. Of course. Not comparable. You've got to look at your eyes and say, you're not evenly matched right now. Not to mention they had Brady and, you know, of course. But the other part of it is, you know, People will say this a lot about the NFL. Like, just pull everybody. Well, you don't have, you can't pull everybody. You only have 46 dressed on game day.

You know, 11 play on, you know, there's just not the ability to kind of pull everybody. But look. Well, that's why I said key guys. Yeah, key guys. There's no doubt. There's no doubt. You can't put anybody else in that receiver. You don't have anybody else.

There's no doubt. Play the whole game. You were on it in the first half. at the end of the third quarter, I said, this has got to be a pull Jaden situation. He faced through three quarters a 55% pressure rate, which was the highest of his career. He doesn't have receivers. The game is so far over, you've got to pull him. And so it was malpractice leaving him in the game.

And he took an absolute torching not only by local media, but by national media. and, you know, on Tuesday, on Monday afternoon, yesterday, two days ago, he apologized. He didn't apologize, but he said, I messed up. I missed it. You know, it was on me. It doesn't make it any better. Same on the staff, too. Yeah.

We're not mentioned it. Well, maybe they did. He said that that was going to be his last series. If he actually turned somebody, if Kingsbury brought him up, brought it up in the third course, said, hey, coach, you might want to think about putting in Mario Deere here, what do you think? And he said no, then shame on him. But if nobody brought it up to him and it was never a thing, shame on them. And they didn't have the, you know, the balls to do it or, you know, to contest the coaching decision for putting them back in. But so however, it's shame on somebody for

sure. Yeah. I mean, he said he said the plan was that was the last series for him and a few of the other guys, which is ridiculous because if they were, what's the point on the previous series, punted at the 50-yard line. You know, you were already punting on the game. Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree.

And then conversely, you see Sam Darnold still in the game late in the fourth quarter, but he was doing like eight-step running back handoff and running backwards. And I'm, and it's 100% what they told. Sam, go in their hand is ball off and don't be anywhere near anything. Right. And if you're going to do that, great. Keep Jane in, sure.

Right. And the ball off the bill and they make us, but that's not what you did. You dropped back. pass. You put him in an RPO, scramble situation. But it was just yeah. That's foolish. We're all in agreement there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think, you know, he

described it as, you know, we weren't going to run any read options, we weren't going to have any designed runs, but they dropped them back twice on that final drive, and then there was an RPO on the final play. At all game, when you drop Jaden back, it turned into a run. Exactly. So I don't like that response either.

Then you're not paying attention to the game. First quarter, every drop back turns into a scramble. Second quarter, every drop back basically turns into a scramble. Nothing changed. Every time they drop back to pass, it is a scramble situation because that conceptually from the route scheme, they're not getting anybody open. And then if it's man coverage or you need a receiver to win, that's not happening. So I don't know what you want him to do back there. And it worries me that he's going to take a mental step backwards from a trust standpoint of not trusting the plate, getting called into the huddle, not trusting his receipts.

to get open. So all he's expecting to do is drop back and say, all right, I've got to make it happen. I've got to add that here to a little stand lot. And that could have a compounding effect on them in the future if he doesn't get that trust back and settle down in the offense in the pocket. Moving forward, when they correct things, when they get players that can make plays outside,

and when they call confident game plans that get people open based off of scheme. Interesting. So, before we get to, the Jaden total evaluation. You've already, you know, given us some tidbits here. First of all, real quickly, as it relates to the game, one-sided, mismatch, the whole thing.

I think everybody understands that. The penalties on their first three drives, you know, they weren't going to win because they couldn't stop Seattle. Seattle could have named the number that they wanted to score in the game. But it was just so frustrating. because, you know, they got a first down.

It was a stressful first down on the opening drive. And then, you know, you got a shot again, and you get the Beattish 15-yard penalty. You're on the move. I like the penalty. I know maybe technically it is, but it's a weak penalty, in my opinion. Second drive, you've made two first downs. You're at their 40-yard line.

And then you get the 15-yard face mask penalty on a play in which Jaden has one of the real effective scrambles for a first down on a third and two. And then the one that just drove me nuts, they fumbled the kickoff, they're down 21-0 nothing now, is he goes for it from his own 29, and that looked like it was going to be a 15-to-20-yard Jaden run, and Eertz is half-assing it and false starts before the play. Even if Eertz is trying to display some type of counter move, like we're going to, everybody following me flow left with that jab step.

It's such a weak as jazz step, Phil. It's just, you hit it's all around lazy. Now, but to your point, if those moving the ball those first drives, the only pass he's completed was the ball to Ertz for five yards where he was getting groped and makes the play, right? That's the only

pass that was completely. He had another one. Oh, the Ertz one for the first down, right? Yeah, the Ertz one for the first down. No, he had the throw to baits. He had the throw to Bates. And Debo had a quick hit, didn't he? Not in those first two series that you're talking about. Anyway, point being stressful first down.

It involves Jaden scrambling for 70% of the yards and all of those things. And it's all just added up to you just don't have people to. People aren't open. I mean, you did on that first possession, he had a big chunk play. If you go to 1302, first quarter, you're talking about the first drive. could he right off of this play action boot step up into the pocket and he's going to have a big chunk but he but he drifts out hard maybe drifts out too wide on this oh is this the one to bates on the sideline that almost gets picked yeah yeah but he's got he has chris more and he's going to

have and he's going to have ben but naked here like he's going to take 20 25 yards if he maybe he had to step up sooner but lawrence is there like you see Nobody's covering Ben, nobody's covering Chris Moore. But there's immediate pressure. Right, yeah. So my point being, should he, is this a Jaden technique flaw where he needs to be ready to step up in the pocket quicker? Got it. Like he could scoot up.

He could, he could plant his foot as soon as he comes off that play fake, step up, and then he'd have time to deliver that football. But, again, I didn't dig him for this because of that. Lawrence is playing it pretty good, and he's coming and attacking hard. So that's, but like this, this play you're watching here is your biggest, almost, past play of the entire game right here. Nobody, the rest of the game has anywhere of the open area that Moore and Ben here have on this play. And you can't even get to it because of Lawrence playing it on the play action.

He, Jaden never gets to see a guy this, like this open. I see, I see what you're looking at. It's funny because, so Kurt Warner did this film breakdown and essentially came to the conclusion that Jaden's regressed from last year. You know, he was very positive. He's like, Jaden's done all these things, and this was one of the plays he pointed to. And I know what you're saying right now, right? It's an under center, which they ran a couple of undercenter bootlegs, by the way, without really running the football, but that's all right. And he comes out in what you're saying, rather than the...

the typical boot with the pressure by Demarcus Lawrence, where he gets to the edge and he looks for the underneath player, which is going to be, what, is that Bates? Immediately, he's got Senate running absolutely against cover three in the clear, and he's got to, rather than take that full bootleg, that naked bootleg out on the edge, he's got to stop plant and throw it right away. Yeah, well, not even right away. If you're watching it from the end zone, or are you watching it from the end zone? I'm watching, yeah, I'll watch it from the end zone. Yeah, yeah. So just as soon as he turns around off the play action, right? Right.

And his second step could be a plant step, and then he could just shuffle up in the pocket and wait for a send it to come open. Right. Or he still got Chris Moore coming across his body wide open. Yeah. I mean, you take your pick there. So I don't know the play design here, obviously. Is he, are they expecting Lawrence to follow this run a lot more?

and then he thinks the end is going to be crashing. So he is getting width off of his bootleg, but he's going to think he's going around, Lauren. But Lawrence doesn't care at all about the play action here. He's not invested in the run, not one big. So when he just starts his rush, he's cutting off that ability to waggle out there. So it's hard to say when they tell us stuff on tape

or they've watched this on tape before, maybe this plays worked and Lawrence has crashed. And then he thinks he needs to get width and get around. and maybe that's the case. But when he comes off the Lanham Ridge, excuse me, off the play fake, if he plans his foot steps up, then he's going to have the biggest play of the day,

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We continue with Steve Souter. Steve's been doing film breakdown for us since week two against Green Bay. He has watched every single player, every single game since week two, the game against Green Bay. for those of you hearing Steve for the first time, Steve is one of the greatest punt returners in college football history. When he left Maryland in the mid-2000s, he held every ACC punt return record and many national punt return records. He has been calling Maryland football games with, of course, the legend Johnny Holiday for several years now on the Maryland Football Radio Network. he's got two of his seasons that have really gone south here. The Washington season and the Terps season,

but Steve's been doing a phenomenal job. Many of you have basically called him Cooley number two, and there are a lot of similarities in the way they view the game and the way they break down the game. You've been excellent all year. So I'm going to tell you, this is an anticipated discussion about Jaden Daniels because Kurt Warner, The Hall of Famer.

By the way, one of my favorite quarterbacks of all time, as an aside, he does a lot of analysis on social media, and he did a 30-minute video in which he said, look, I'm a big Jaden Daniels fan. I know he can make all these reads, make all these throws, but the bottom line, and he took four or five plays from the Seattle game, he said he believes that he has regressed. He said, look, there's a lot of context.

There are a lot of reasons why. He was very hesitant to just really bury him because there is a lot of context and he knew a lot of people would be pushing back on him. But whatever, people started sending me this video late yesterday and last night. And they're like, can't wait to hear what Steve thinks. He's been watching the team all year. So let's talk about Jaden Daniels. What did you see? Interesting.

Interesting point. Now, I don't have context of watching Jane in all of last year, so I don't have tape to compare to say whether there is a regression in my opinion or not. I will say, from watching the Seattle game,

maybe there's a handful of plays that maybe he could have performed better, but other than that, he just doesn't have the personnel and his play calls are not there. I have three, let's see, I got one, two, three plays that maybe

he could have delivered a football when he didn't, and that's it. And it starts on the first play. Let's jump. Look at the first play. The first play in the, okay, 1455. Yeah, first play of the game. So if you're telling me he's not reading this right, I could say, okay, maybe you're right. This is a pre-snap cover two, maybe two man, that's how I would read it, right?

He got press corners here, two deep safeties, clear cover two, unless they do something for the snap of the ball. They don't. So you do have a clear-out route going at that far safety, and you have Debo running a corner in between, and you got a flat route. So you're flooding a cover two zone there with this play action. This is a good play call against this coverage. But I'll tell you what, Debo breaks his route at eight yards. I know he shouldn't do that in cover two. He's got to get at least a 10. So you provide some type of separation from that corner and the flat route. Otherwise, the picture is going to be too tight for Jayden to see. so he's now into his depth. And then the guy is that, who is that?

That's, that's, Lane. Oh, yeah, no, number seven, no, the DN, right? Oh, number seven. He's really, yeah, the guy, Nahuasso. He's really good. Yeah. So if you want to step up here,

I mean, he's got to plan his foot in the ground, ignore this D& barreling down on him, and then maybe he can deliver this ball to D-Bel. That's a maybe. But it's going to have to be anticipated. it. I just don't see the time to get that separation. By the time he, if he was going to throw this ball without getting sacked, I'm like clicking on my mouth right when he would have to throw it. And Debo's kind of open, kind of. The safety, or excuse me, the corner still hasn't made

his mind up yet. If he's going to take the flatter, he's going to sink on Debo. So that's a borderline play. This is one of Warner's place. This is one of his plays. Yeah, I don't, yeah, I can't agree with that. I just, if you're going to say this is a regression play, when he's got a DM coming down in space, I don't see regression here. So I would disagree with that. And you say Debo runs the route too shallow? I'm assuming you would.

If this is a true, you're flooding this, you want a flat route, you want to high-low this corner. Okay, with Zach Ertz and Debo, you're getting what you want, you get covered to, you get Chris Moore running straight at the safety to keep him deep, and then you need to high-low the corner with Ertz and Debo. well, they're not doing a great job of that because I think Debo breaks it short. But even if Debo goes to 10 yards, now the D&'s even closer to Jaden.

So it's just not going to work from a timing perspective. Okay. So I don't know what they thought pre-snap in their pre-game analysis that they thought these D-Ns would be more aggressive on these play action boots. But they weren't all game. They did it to the other side and DeMarcus Lawrence plays it well. they slow play these things, and then they just attack Jaylen. So I don't, or Jay Don't, I don't see anything wrong with his play. Okay.

He would have to anticipate, come right off the play fake, and turn and square up and have no boot at all. Like no boot action, just turn it square up as soon as you do it, it's in the pocket. All right, so that's... Maybe that is a fundamental flaw that he's not supposed to be rolling out after the play fake and he's supposed to be staying in the middle of... On the other one you showed, that was a true boot where you're always, you know, rolling, rather than setting up, right? Right.

So, Kurt doesn't know that either. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not putting his blame on Jayden. Sure, maybe he could have made that play, but that's not, that's not on dating. So this was one of the three that you said, you know, is debatable as to whether or not he could have fired it. And I'll say this, too. Let's go to 1255, right? In the second core, let's go to his pick.

Let's go to his interception. Yep. So the stuff that I'm worried about here, it's not post-step at all. it's pre-snap because they set themselves up for failure here. I know it's 3rd and 17, but they're running all 17-yard route. So they're anticipating, A, not to get pressure here because you can't run a 17-yard curl with pressure, or they're identifying the pressure wrong in the beginning, which they do. They slide the line left here.

Pre-snap, they think pressure's coming from the left. So they mark 13 as the mic here, that's evident, which is Ernest Jones. but he doesn't blitz. He drops out, and so does the Marcus, excuse me, yeah, the Marcus Lawrence, they both drop. And the blitz actually comes up top from the corner. Now, pre-snap, I wouldn't think that corner up there is Blitzin,

who's present on lane either, because the safety behind him is pretty deep. And so that doesn't appear like a corner bridge pre-snap look. But do the Sealks show this on tape, and they're not prepared for it, and they should have slid the line to the right instead of to the left? Because they slide it right, they're picked up, and then they can run these 17-yard routes.

But Seattle drops into a zone blitz, cover four. They got everything covered, and you don't have any time to run 17-yard curl routes unless you think you're picking up the protection. So this is a pre-snap issue. So I'm not sure if Jaden's responsible for calling the mic here, and he's the one that plants and protection or it's Beiotic, sometimes the centers do it.

But they can't win this play. This play is toast. This should be max protection if you're running these DHS. of route and you've got to get the protection right. You got to call it right. But they don't. So yeah, there's no chance for it. Now, Jaden is trying to throw this ball away. He's not trying to complete this curl to a corner that's already running the curl route four lanes. Right. He just can't get enough into it and the guy makes the pick. But that was set up from the beginning. Like, you lost the play before the play started. Now, is that on Jaden? I don't know. That's, I got to be in the

huddle. I got to understand the protection that they're calling, that Kingsbury's calling in, and who's responsible for going to the mic and that sort of thing. So that's a tough one. That's a good play by Seattle, right? It's a good disguise. You wouldn't think that corner on top is blitzing, and he does, you get caught off guard.

Let's go to 754. I mean, on this play, though, on the pick, just to emphasize, he is, it's very clear. He's trying to throw it away. He's not actually trying to complete a pass, but they're literally in his lap and he can't get enough on it.

I don't understand on 3rd and 17, why you're not max protecting with running three verticals to the sticks. That's crazy. Yes. And they almost are max protecting. They just get it wrong. They keep McNichols in the block, right?

So you got... Where's the checkdown? Debo? Debo. But they don't anticipate Lawrence dropping. That's a D.N. It drops out in the flats. Right. So James' toast here.

I mean, he has nothing. There is no outlet. There is. is no hot route. There's no sight of judge. And that also makes me think that they didn't anticipate blitz here. Maybe Seattle shows the tendency on third and long long that they drop, maybe only rush three and drop seven. They check what they do. And they trick them here. So he calls the plays and throw the dice that we're not going to get pressure. We're only going to get a three-man rush. And I'm going to have a chance to maybe complete a 15-yard comeback. But they get fooled. So that's

that's either starts from the coaching play call. He's looking at his sheet. He's saying, oh look at this third and 15 plus Seattle 23% of the time only rushes three or whatever his number is and then he's got a play call for it so he dialed it up calls it in and he gets tricked that's that's where I would start and if the play comes in and where it's an option and jaden has it maybe king says hey you'll learn pressure here from whichever side and they don't call the right side then that's on jaden or that's on beyond i would start with it's third and 17 you don't have anybody that can get open. You're playing an excellent defense. We're going to throw a bubble screen and try to get 10, and then we'll decide if we'll go for it on 4th and 7.

Oh, yeah. There's no way I'm calling this route against a 3rd and 17. And no, I totally agree. It's a bad play call. Even if they get it blocked, now add 3, add 2, well, excuse me, because they're only rushing 1-2, they only end up rushing five guys. So you have to have to, Add another body. Add another defender back there. Okay. Now where are you going to go? They're already covered with the six out of the seventh.

There's just no option. So you've got no options there. Go to 754th. This is the third down to Hertz. So now look, look, my first note of this is Washington could never run this defense. That was my first note in my note. From a secondary perspective, the communication of Seattle is perfect. Okay, so now they're going to, Debo comes in motion.

Now, do you watch, watch the corners. They don't even talk to each other here when Debo comes in motion. They already know how their responsibility changed. And now what they're going to do is they're playing four over three. Okay, so you're going to get a safety, you're going to get these two corners, and you're going to get the linebacker is going to start, is going to come over and wall them off too. So it's four Seattle defenders that are going to cover three Washington guys.

But Seattle doesn't communicate after the motion. they communicate three yards into the play, okay? Three yards into the play. You see Devin Witherspoon, 21. He's yelling over to the safety, and I can't determine who it is, telling him you're getting Divo. He already sees Zach Ertz's out route,

and that's the pass off. So not only did they not communicate in the beginning because they knew what they were doing, that door in the route, they're able to successfully pass off to your receivers, and then Whitherspoon breaks on Earth to stop them to get the first. down. So I dinged Jaden a little bit here, but I can understand how you can't read this. You got

four over three. There's so many ways that Seattle could play this. They could play a hard corner here that would kill Erd. They could play the banjo like they're doing now. They could play straight man coverage and not switch. So Jada needs to read this on the fly, which is extremely hard to do. Again, they got four over three and they can mix this up. So what they do is they end up giving up the Earth's four or five yard out, and Jaden's called it a quarter of a second late in delivering it. If he's a quarter second faster, Earth has it in his hands, and he can probably take that contact and get a yard up and get the first down.

I mean, that's a tough play to read, dude. And Seattle's playing it perfect. Communication is perfect. They pass off the guy's perfect. Witherspoon's really aggressive once he knows his guy's picking up Debo to break on this football. And all right, big deal. In their head, they want to go off the field for sure, but if they give up the five yard out,

they give up the five yard out, and they didn't give up a blown coverage, Devo's 30-yard corner route. So good job by them. Now I'll go 1144, 1144, third quarter. And so this is the other, this is the one where I wrote down,

and in my notes it says, I'm worried now that this stuff is getting to his head because he has lane here early. This is pitching, catch. And Seattle's been showing this. I think we already touched on it. Cover four, cover two shell pre-snaps, and then roll on the cover three. They do the same thing here. Well, if you roll a cover three, your corners aren't responsible for the flat. That's coming from inside the box, the linebackers. So he has, he has lane right away. You just take it five yard out,

your second and six, you're going to get the first down. That should be catch, hit, and throw. As soon as he sees that safety on his left come downhill, or it doesn't look like he's looking at it. And even like pump fakes it. Yeah. So that... What is he pump faking for? He pumps it to Jalen Lane. Doesn't throw it. And I think he wants... I think he thinks it's going to open Debo back up. Or he's pumping the earth. He's either pumping the earth or he's pumping the lane.

And I think he's moving... thinks he's moving the middle line back of there, Tyrese Knight, and then he's going to snap back and hit Debo, which he still could have. So I dinged him on this because you either take Lane right away, get the first down, or if your mentality was the maneuver that middle linebacker night off his line so you can come back to Devo, then come back to Deva. And he doesn't do either. And then he ends up having to scramble. So this was the play.

So now you've gone two and a half, we'll call it two and a half quarters of nobody being open. Your play's not working. And you have to scramble. You don't trust anything that's going on. And then this is where it piles up to this play right here where I go, oh, no. He might be in trouble mentally in the pocket. I see exactly what you're talking about. God, people, if you have the access to the all 22, go to the 1144 mark, second and six, third quarter, Washington's on Seattle's 45-yard line. And this is where, like, anybody that says that they think that he can't do this, this was pitch and catch last year all the time. The ball was out immediately. And if he's going to come back to Debo, he's going to throw a strike to Debo. And Debo's going to catch it, you know, on the run, and then it's going to be the safety that's going to be between him and the end zone.

And he doesn't... You got action. You know, remember we said there was a play in the Dallas game where he could have pulled the trigger, and he didn't. So you think it's the buildup of nobody being open, nobody being open, pressure, pressure, and he's got a, he's, it's now built up on this play. He's human. I mean, he's human. if that's happening to you for 30 plays prior then all you're saying is and you can lose a little trust in yourself too

I'm sure there's a couple of plays he went to signlight and maybe if you looked at the iPad and said oh yeah maybe he probably got talked into it you probably go to this yeah sure but I mean this is this is it this is the play yeah Warner had this one too Warner had this one too okay yeah yeah so this was and this was on my list too yeah and you but you expect a guy that scrambles 10 out of

12 past plays because nobody's open to then forget about them all and come back to your basic? Yeah, maybe you do. Maybe that's an NFL quarterback and that's what they do and he just wasn't able snap out of it. But, you know, that this is, this was the most alarming play because he has the

easy first down up top. So he's either not reading the role into cover three. It doesn't understand the shell or what they've been doing all game. But this is, this play was actually called to win. It is interesting to watch them.

You've said this from the beginning, but it's like they show cover two pre-snap and they roll into cover three on every single play you've shown me. Yeah, right. That was, so you should know that, right? If I get cover two or cover four shell from Seattle at pre-snap, I should expect it not to be that on the snap. So what's your plan? Pre-snap cover four, where am I going?

Pre-snap roll to cover three, where am I going? But in that scenario, it's probably the same spot. Because flat defenders are coming from inside the box. The corners aren't responsible. So even if you think this is going to go to cover four, stay cover four, or roll to cover three, I'm still looking lane first. And if in my head I've already just said, hey, man, I'm going to manipulate this linebacker night.

I'm going to pump to earth on this quick curl. And then I'm going to move him and I'm coming right back to Debo. Because either if it's cover four, cover two, or cover three, they're not covering Debo on that move. So it seems like he thought about doing that and then didn't do it. So that's kind of alarm. Here's something else about this play you haven't mentioned. He's got great feel as a runner, vision, the whole thing. He steps right into the traffic.

He's really kind of discombobulated on this one. It's 31-7 at this point. Yeah. You can speed on. All right. What's next? So there you go. Let's go.

10-59 play later or a few plays later. Yeah. Next play. Next play. Yeah. So there, here, you're, you're already beat here pre-snap 2 from protection standpoint. So you can't win here either. Third and 13.

They're blocking this like cover 0, which this isn't, like, you're not getting a pre-snap cover 0 read at all. You're getting five defensive backs. Maybe they've ran this play before Seattle and they have five defensive backs like this on 3rd and 13, and they stay at this depth, they don't backpedal, they blitz everybody up front,

and they expect you to throw hot or side adjusts real quick, and they come up and make the play, and you're still punting, because you didn't get 3rd and 13 yards. So maybe that's what's been seen on film. Well, so they block this, like cover zero. They slide the entire line to the right, but McNichols is chipping and going out into pass cover, so he's not max protecting.

So either Tunsel is wrong here, because they just leave the D-end unblocked, which you would do in cover zero because you leave the furthest guy away from the line scrimmage unblocked so you don't let pressure come up your A&B gap and blow your quarterback up. Well, they get, Trice night, he bails,

so he doesn't blitz, and all you're getting is a five-man rush, and you're leaving a guy unblocked on the end. So it looks like it catches the chain up guard, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah. But then he just snaps, he throws off his back foot, and he throws the out route to the devout. If he's anticipating cover zero, if he's on the same line of communication that the line is,

then he should know that D.N. is unblocked on his left. And this should be catch, hit and throw to the outrout of the diva. He doesn't do that. He's not anticipating that. So either Tunsel's wrong here, and this should be picked up. But what it does, it looks like he's waiting to see if night blitz is 48, because if he does, then Tunsel's going to take him and leave the widest guy. Yeah, I see it.

So that's what Just left a free rusher. And they just leave a free rusher. So you're beat pre-snap here. You play his toes. You can't win this because you're wrong pre-snap. You're going to leave everybody, an unblocked guy,

and your only route that's even ready to catch a football is a dump to McNichols or a dump to Debo and they got a break attack on get 13 yards. But he's caught off guard, Jaden is. So that plays toast. You can't get a first down there? Now, is that on Jaden? Again, I'm not sure.

Is he calling that protection there? If he's sliding it the wrong way, the line of scrimmage, is it beyond doing it? Is it coming in from Kingsbury wrong? If he's calling a play right here and says trips left, or excuse me, this would be like spread left, slide right, and then whatever your route combination is, and they come up to the line of scrimmage and they run slide right? I don't know.

How is that getting called in general? Yeah, the point is, is this is, you know, another play that you basically say pre-snap, dead beat, you know, it's over. They're wrong against it, and he's got no shot. Yep. They do it again, 723 third quarter. Got it. You're beat.

You're already beat here. You didn't get the protection, right? If you slide left, you picked up, but you don't. So you're already beat. Pre-snap. Who's making these calls? Where are they coming from? Is it Kingsbury?

Is it Jada? Is it Biotic? Right? But they don't, they slide right. and they leave a DN unblocked again. You can't win. I mean, the DN looks surprised. Right?

Yeah, Hall, 58, who looked really good coming into the game. Well, he's getting a little chip, right? You get his little chip from Rodriguez. He don't care. So they're blocking this again, almost like covers zero. You don't leave D&'s unblocked, almost ever, unless you're in a cover zero, slide protection, and then Jaden would know that. So here, Jaden's already moving right off the snap of the football base,

takes one snap. So this makes me think he's on the same page that the protection is called slide right, or whatever they call it, Razor, it doesn't matter. He knows the lines going right, and he knows he's probably going to have an unblocked defender on his left. So he starts sliding right. Then could he hit Devo there? No, that's a tough one. What about Jaylen Lane?

What about Jaylen Lane? Ah, yeah, I mean, that's the, this is the play, this is the play that Ake, that Collinsworth pointed out. Because Collinsworth all nights, like, nobody's open, he's getting pressured. And then on this play, he said, this is the one where he's got to let it loose to Jalen Lane.

Do you agree or not? Sure. You could let it lose? Absolutely, he could do that. He's throwing his hand up. He's probably open, but he already took his eyes off of him. He's flying right. I mean, would you blame him if he looked down the field

and said it was Saul was Lane and in his head said that might be a waste of a question? bro, he's going to drop it. Would you blame him? I wouldn't. Is he going to make that play? Is that what he's supposed to do on the play? But I know that they...

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, no, no, no. It certainly could be. They could be on the same page here. We're going to slide right, and he's going to roll out of pocket, and he's still got a flood concept here, so it is a decent route combination. He's got a somewhat...

He's going to have to be real touchy to get it to Debo, but he could probably do it because the line of streamage is, what, the 42? Yeah, 41, yeah. And by then it does break up. So he could float this with Devo short and he could throw it to lane. Now the more than I watch this,

he had time to do that. Yeah, this is the, like I'm watching this one, this is the one where I'm actually surprised you didn't say he's got to throw that to lane. Yeah, yeah, so where I probably got all caught up is in the protection because I've seen this a couple of times and I keep saying, damn,

why they keep sliding themselves into pressure? because they get it wrong, right? It's only a four-man rush. Yep. And so you can't leave a, in my opinion, like, damn, you really got screwed pre-stap on this play because it's only a four-man rush and you leave one unblocked on purpose. Right, right. So that's where I, I mean, I probably just kept rewatching this

and trying to find a way to make sure that I wasn't getting a protection wrong. Like, why are they doing this? What are they seeing? Why do they think they need to slide right? are they getting pressure here at first in 10 you're up 31 7 I wouldn't anticipate pressure

why you know why aren't just calling base protection and let him sit in the pocket and deliver boring or he wants but yeah now as I watch it once he gets out of the pocket he still got six yards

to figure out who he wants to throw to and both of those guys are open lane and divot so I agree all right what's next oh man let's see here I think that's probably a good play to end on for Jaden what did he do well

his quality in his game is the same as the last one he played his ability to move the sticks and gain yards when nobody's open which is his gift and his curse now which will could be becoming his gift and his curse that he's been able to move the sticks and make something to have him when nobody's open

and he's getting away with it and then now we might be seeing that it is might maybe biting him a little bit and it's just a culmination that we've already talked about again this plays after the other play where I said I'm a little worried that he's not doing what he's supposed to do in the pocket because of the trust issues and play calling issues. So here's a play after that play. Has his brain corrected itself?

Probably not. He's still in his panic mode. Nobody's going to be open. I'm going to have to run again. This is a game around 10-15 carry. So you have to be what he did well. He extended plays when he didn't have anybody open. And that's his gift and his curse right now.

And that's the best I can say about it. You've mentioned many times already or implied play calling. Was this a rough game for Cliff Kingsbury? I think so. Correct. Again, I need to be able to, I'm not going to watch nine weeks of Seahawks footage before I watch this game and break down their defensive percentages. They better be doing it. I'm not going to do it, right?

So what are they seeing in their scouting that they're not taking advantage of? and when you see what looks like, say you're not calling a good game in the first quarter or first quarter in the second half, where's your adjustments? If we're getting these rolled coverages all the time, look, this is another example.

This is cover two pre-snap if you're on the same play and they've rolled a cover three. What are they doing different? They're not doing anything else. But this play actually takes advantage of cover three. Right. So maybe things right, it took them into the third quarter

to start figuring it out and calling in plays that can take advantage of the coverage they were getting. So I just think it took too long to get to this point. You should have, the biggest way to combat

if you don't know what you're doing as a play caller is A, you rely on your quarterback to make the right read, but you call in a play that could beat two coverages, one side, a strong side and a weak side.

So you call in a route combination that could help you in cover to your right, and then you call the backside combination that'll help you in, and cover three to your weak side. And so if you get cover three, then the quarterback should be looking weak.

If you get covered two, you should stay strong side. You don't see a whole lot of that. Now, maybe some of these rock combinations are supposed to take advantage of that, and Jaden is not looking the right way. But again, I mean, we've gone over and I've watched every play. He doesn't have many guys open. And it's kind of foolish, I think, to not watch an entire game or watch an entire game and pull out three or four plays, that this one is the only one that,

This one and the other short cover, three one to lane, right? So two plays out of the game, we could say fall solely on Jaden. Who have two plays of all the dropback. I don't think you can make enough of an accusation to say regression on that. Now again, I haven't watched them last year. Right. Actually, that was a suggestion from one of the emailers. He's like, is there any chance, Steve, like, as this season deteriorates

that he cannot do the current game but go back and do some of last year's games? I'm like, I don't know about that. But, yeah. I can send out my vent, bro. So what about just the idea of, like, where was quick game early? So one of the things you probably didn't know is going into the game, Seattle was the number one rush defense in the NFL. They called nine pass plays on the first 10, you know, plays from scrimmage.

I was going to say, you know, my note is, don't pump. out in the beginning of the game and already tell you already told them they're better at you at stopping and run than you are running the ball you're three number three in the league yeah but not recently yeah don't show me that fear yeah okay not reason i won't come then you so now you're telling me that you have no confidence of what you've gone into the room to correct you correct it man up man my strength for your strength let's see who's better i didn't look i didn't like that that was a no this this shows me nothing but fear here Right.

I didn't like that just from a philosophy. And given the fact that you've got receivers that are going to have a difficult time, where's more of the screens? Where's more of the quick stuff? Dude, I don't know, man. I would have liked to see them start with screens, but if they're a big zone team, like it looks like I'm watching, then it's not really going to work that well.

And you can tell anytime Devo does any, anytime Devo is in a slot or all of them, are saying, you know, alert screen, alert bubble, alert stream, alert bubble. You can clearly see, because when Debo does run a little bubble or a screen, and secondary guys break on it so hard, and it's because they are just keying on it. So maybe you take this out, that's fine. But yeah, quick game, if, from what I saw from Seattle,

you got a lot of cover three, rolled up coverage, you need to have quick hitters. Little five-yard chunks, five here, five there, five there, quick ones. Yeah. And you can manipulate zones. flood a zone, but you didn't see any, I didn't see one route combination where all three guys didn't go 10 yards down the field. I know I didn't see that. So essentially you got routes that are dead because you're not getting time to let guys go 15 and 20 yards down the field in their

route. You couldn't run a three-man triangle zone beater and everybody's between five and eight yards and they're just, you know, triangulating the two defenders and then Jaden picks the right one, but we didn't get any of that either. Are any of these receivers capable of being like, you know? No. No. I think Debo might still be battling a heel. He doesn't look like the Debo, the last first three games I watch.

But again, this goes back to Debo can't be your number one guy. He's a gimmick guy. He's a good after their catch. guy. He's his own coverage guy. He's not a B-Man coverage guy. And you need to have things going on down the field successfully so then you can run those screens. And you can run a bubble because you got D.Bs that aren't on their toes. They can't wait to blow up laying on a block or Chris Moore or Earth and just blow them up and blow the playoff and get a highlight. They can't wait for that. Nobody's scared of being beat deep. Do you see Traylin Burks out there from much of the

game? 13? And you know what? He fit in. That's the problem. Oh, boy. He fit in with the rest of them. Jalen Lane's not an NFL receiver right now, right? No. No, not at all. He should not be on the field at receiver. Can he get better? Sure. I hope he does. But he can't be your guy on the field right now in an NFL football game and be one of your three first three reads. And it can't be Jalen Birx. Traylin Berks has just showed up on your team. and at one point you had Lane,

Moore, and Berks on the field. These three are all on practice squad, or should be, I'm sorry, Lane was on practice squad, the other two were. But he's still a rookie that you drafted as a returner, and now he's your third receiver. You just don't have the guys right now. You just don't have them,

and you're not going to get them, and you're going to have to suffer through the rest of the season, and you might as well start talking about draft picks. Can we at least watch a few more games? Because this is fun to listen to you do it. You can watch it, but don't I mean, I told you a couple weeks ago, you did.

You did. I'm not going to hold anybody under 25 points for the rest of the year. And I'm two for two. Yeah. I don't see it stop it. No. I mean, yeah.

You can't stop anybody. We didn't even start the defense, even on offense all the time, but we didn't get on deep. It's, you should, and you've got the issues there. Yeah, this team's in deep trouble, isn't it?

No, deep trouble, dude. Yeah. The injuries are crazy. So, I mean, I feel for you there. injuries are bad. It's not, you know, you just got this injury-plagued season. What can you do? You got to chalk it up.

You lost. So, like, right, Armstrong, he's in your top three. All right, I'll make the list a little longer, right? Armstrong was you top five guy. He lost him. Top five on the team. You had him as their best defensive player. Yeah.

You can't. And, oh, man, you just, you guys got beat up. He lost Wise, right? If you had a wise, Armstrong, and Jacob Martin, and let Jacob Martin rotate in on those two guys, that would be awesome. You had Armstrong, Wise. And you let Martin give each one of those guys a blow when they were tired. So you just had three D-Ns that could rush the passer, set the edge, and they were fresh every play. You'd be sitting really good.

And yet Kinlo on the middle, who's a dog, I've loved every game he's played. This one wasn't the best, but that's because they're playing them out of position. at the end, and you had him, and then you rotated somebody in, and maybe you've got a good play out of pain every once in a while, your D-line would be really good, and it would make your secondary that much better, but you lost the strength of your defense, and so the weaknesses of your defense just get exacerbated,

and now it's just snowballing. You got your snowball is so big right now, you can't even carry it. I mean, it looks like Terry's not back for another couple weeks either. as down as you were on watching Terry's few games, he would be a help, though, a major help. He's an improvement for sure. I was down the Packard game,

and then I started coming along, and I think it was him coming along too with his leg. He clearly makes plays when the ball is in the air, so you've got to have somebody like that. Nobody else is doing that. A 50-50 ball, who seems like he's got a knack for that, there's something to say about being good at 50-50 balls to sure. He's not a downgrade,

I'll tell you that. Yeah, no. Yeah, you can throw the ball to him. I want to do some. Actually, oh, yeah, go to a, let me help defense. Go to second quarter, right, 846. And this is the play against Amos where they score the touchdown, right? But they don't throw it on Amos.

And then your boy Chris has that funny thing of going over and saying he was wider opener. Right, yeah. So, and I saw this release move on my TikTok seat, them, I do y'all, all week of people just saying how awesome the release is and dog and Amos, right? Yeah. And now I get it. The release is really good. But the release gets helped by really good because they're doubling JSN right here.

Juan Martin's safety, he is doubling. So Amos is going to be more aggressive on any inside underneath move because he doesn't have help there. He has helped deep because they are doubling him. So pre-snap, Sam Darnold already sees this. I mean, look at Cawarman. He's three yards off the hash, and there's only one receiver over there. And it's JSN. They are doubling him on this play.

So Sam Donald Pre-snap says, done deal. I'm taking my tight head on the seam, no doubt. So he hikes the football. He takes a look at the safety to keep him over there, and then he just come back and drill the seam. But Amos jumps that inside move because he has safety help over the top. So it just made it look really bad. Right.

But Collinsworth doesn't see this. because he's watching a real time. I guess he doesn't see a pre-snap how far the stage he's ever, which I think he should. And he's clearly running a double on JSN here. And it's a good job by Donald, right? Snap of the ball. He wants to keep Kwan Martin over to the right.

You stay over there, Kwan. Yeah. You stay over there, and I'm coming back to this. I mean, he gave. You know what? I used to ask Kooley this. Because everybody understands quarterbacks try to manipulate safeties with their eyes and where they look.

Right. Like, why do you fall for? for it. Why don't you, once he looks in that direction, go to the other side because you know he's not throwing there. Well, in this case, maybe an extreme, but if Kwan just started sprinting towards the middle of the field, it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter. James Ed. He'd just get out of himbo's right here on the release.

Yeah, and he's going to throw it to him. All right. But I thought like I, now, sell, what do you feel about the Mamos situation? Because that bugged me. Him coming up lame, acting like he has a soft tissue injury, and then he's full speed? I've never met a human being. If you tweak a groin or a handie or a hip flex or whatever it was. Yeah.

That doesn't heal in 30 minutes. No, it's the basketball. You're the toughest guy. You're the toughest guy on the team. Yeah. Or you're soft. Well, it's the guy that misses the breakaway layup and then starts hobbling back down court, you know?

You don't usually see that in football guys, though. Yeah. All right. Let's get to your top three, bottom three offense defense. We'll do that to finish up the show right after. these words from a few of our sponsors. If you get a chance and you haven't done it already and you don't mind doing it, rate and review this podcast.

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We do offense. I'm looking at it. All right. Offense. Top three performers. Top three go to Beiotich, Devo, and then it was Jaylon Daniels until we went over that play live where I was too focused on the blitz. And I stand correct. He should have had an opportunity at Debo or Lane there. So with that being, he was, shockingly, with the negative score,

still in my top three, that's how bad the scores were on offense this week. So taking in that live scoring into play, he gets bumped out of the top three, and Rodriguez goes into the top three. Yeah, Rodriguez. He played well. Yeah. Yeah, deal what he was supposed to do when he was hand the ball, made run, didn't make any mistakes. So he has a level grade. He didn't do anything above, but he didn't do anything below, and he comes out level.

And that's how bad the grades were on offense, where a zero technically, right, a neutral grade is in your top three. So it's not a great game for anybody on offense. I mean, I like Rodriguez, do you? I don't mind what we talked about. And he had kind of just, I don't know, not about joke, but he had a little three-headed thing going on here. Yeah. Decent back, I still probably take me Nichols over him overall,

and maybe Bill is two running, and I can see why they hand the ball off the bill and they bring McNiggles in a third down. I can clearly see it. And then Rodriguez is the one kind of left holding the clipboard, as they say. but he came in and he's effective, but it's Seattle's backups. They don't really care about stopping the run. So you got to take that a consideration, but I still graded the play as he played

and played neutral for me. So that's better than 75% of the offense. Not a good night for the offensive unit, for sure. Not at all. Bottom three performers offensively. bottom three go to Bates again back-to-back weeks he shows up on my board then shockingly to me Chris Paul and Cosme not their best games on offense Chris was laid off the ball a couple of times it cost some runs not found in protection as he has been I mean it's barely a negative score

but it's still negative so those those run out my top three offensive line let them down everybody, let everybody down, really, honestly. I mean, there's, like Chris Moore, negative grade, Becker's, negative grade, Connolly, negative grade, Connerley, negative grade, Cosmy, right?

We already mentioned Paul. And then highlighted is the Jalen Lane, right? He would be in the top three again for worst grade, but that's if you factor the fumble and the kickoff return and whether or not you want to do that or not.

So offensively, not in the bottom phase, but that turnover is as big as any turnover. you can ever have. So was Bates once again, did he struggle as a run blocker? Yeah, he did. He missed a lot again? He is banged up.

Maybe he's banged up. He is banged up. I have three plays, right? So he's not in a lot, and then three of the plays that he's counted on to be the league blocker or won the main blocker, it's his guy making the tackle and blowing up the play. So back-to-back weeks, not great for him from a blocking standpoint.

A friend of mine, because before you came on. I asked him to send me just, I was curious what the PFF grade was on Jaden because I knew we would be doing a lot. I was expecting it to be much lower. It was tied for fourth. Croski, Merit, Debo, Beaudish, I think were the top three, he told me. So you've got, yeah, you had Biotish and Samuel is one, two. And I don't pay much attention to PFF because I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I, yeah, I don't either. I don't either. I'm not in there, in the huddle.

Yeah, so. Yeah, no, it's your, well, I remember week two, week two when I had Reeves is one of my best, maybe the best guy on defense, and I remember you telling me maybe off the air, we talked, you said PFF had Reeves the worst player on the defense. I said, well, that is the shittiest system ever. Yeah, well, that game. Yeah, a lot of people. And you say Rees isn't the best player.

Yeah, a lot of people feel that way. Cooley always kind of felt that way. I mean, and they do acknowledge that, you know, they don't know what. but the responsibility of every player. Yeah, exactly. I have that. You got to have to take that consideration too. All right.

Defensively, top three performers. Oh, boy. Defensively, top three go to Frankie, Louisville, then Bobby Wagner and Jordan McGee. And for Bobby Wagner, it's like, wow, look at that. A game where you don't get involved in the passing game. It can grade out pretty well. Run the ball.

Don't get manipulated in the passing game. There you are. Wow. Those are my top three because Frankie, Frankie's Frankie, man. He's a joy to watch. Even if he's not getting it done because he's outmatch going up against tackles and stuff now, the effort is always there. And he's playing his whistle.

Was Jacob Martin close because you love him? Yeah, I'd like him. He's a positive grade and he's, I mean, if you want to take all the plays in the consideration, if we did average per play, then maybe technically he's a higher grade than McGee. but McGee flashed when he was on there made a couple plays. Okay. So he felt positive grade.

What about bottom three defensively? Bottom three go to Amos, Kwan Martin, and Doran Payne. And Payne is tied with painted tied with Latimore, tied with Tyler Owens. So I could,

technically, maybe I don't have to signal pain out there, but he's just the one that's frustrating me the most. Go to the, look at this. Go to the first play, man. This drives me a great. 11-11. I know we're almost done here. Sorry, first play for offense for Seattle is 11-11.

Okay. First quarter. Yep. Got it. They're running the ball to his tackle side. I know he's playing tackle. Okay. But they're running the ball to his... Who are we looking at? Duran? Pain. Yeah, look at him here. Yeah, okay. So he is playing tackle

on this play. Yep. Yeah, this... And this is his first snap. Yeah. So don't tell me you're tired. Don't tell me that shit. Okay? You're guarded by... You're getting blocked by one guy. And now when this plays over, the guy's to his right, okay, further away from the ball, are Goldman and Kinlaw. Kinlaw is playing the opposite defensive end.

Yeah, I see. Now, when this plays over, Payne is going to be the furthest delimement away from the ball. Goldman beats him across. Kinlo is going to 20-yard sprint in case this thing breaks to cut it off. And Payne shuts it down, and he's the left. he's the furthest interior defensive player to this tackle. Yeah, I see that. I mean, does that not frustrate you?

Yeah, I mean, is it possible that he's just supposed, I mean, it's not like he's sucking up a double team here. No, he's not. He's a single block. Right. So rip, swim, get off of it. It's a clear toss here. This is a sweep.

You don't have to, you're not playing cutback. Even if you were playing cutback, you're not getting him. Get off the single block. and gets off it and beats you across. Kinloh gets off it, and he's playing pursuit. Kinlo is at the 22-yard line. That's hustle, man. I didn't even get Kinlo a bonus for this.

I knew coming into this game, they were not so successful coming into the game, Seattle, rushing the football. They had been very good throwing the football. But in that zone-shanahan-style scheme, that outside zone stuff, I knew they were going to attack it because we've got no edge-setters. First play.

Right. So that's, it's, like Jalen Holmes should not be in it. That needs to be Martin. Yeah. Why is he in?

Just because he's bigger and weighs more. Okay, well, a tight end right there. That tight end handles him. He reaches him,

handles him, turns him. He turns him. So you got reached and they, he ain't said no edge. Right. But again,

it's just like, come on, pain, man. You're the furthest from the football. Amos. The other guys are given ever. Kwan. and Duran.

Yep. But Amos was the worst. You gave me the worst to the third worst, correct? Great. Yeah, he was tough. He wasn't not good in coverage, right? I mean, he got smoked from the touchdown, off the play action, where he comes up lame, he's lipping.

Is he hurt? If he's hurt, then maybe I shouldn't be sorry. But then you're not, if you're in the game, you're in the game, man. You ought to make the, don't go in the game if you're hurt and play with 10 men. What did you say at the very beginning? of this. You said there are some retired players playing for the team. You have retired guys on your roster.

You have one that starts on offense and tight end. He's retired. And you got two on defense, whatever, in the game of Preston and Von Miller. Two retired guys. You have three retired guys on your roster. You don't consider Wagner that, because he's actually other than in coverage, he does everything

else well. Yeah. Yes, he's not retired. He's a, he should get reps. He should play for short. He shouldn't play every play. But he should play. Right. All right. Well, I don't get that. They play the Lions

this week. Detroit lost to Minnesota. And they're pretty explosive offensively, but apparently they're very banged up along their offensive line. Well, you're more banged up on your D-line. Yeah, I know. So this

should be, I mean, what did you so your, there's no your statement a few weeks ago is they can't hold anybody at under 28, right? Was it 28? I said 25, probably just to be conservative, so I didn't put my foot in my mouth. But sure, if you want to take that 28, go ahead. Yeah, yeah. It's not going to be pretty. You don't got a shot to be them. I hate saying that because you say any given Sunday, but.

Any given Sunday. They need the other team to really mess up, though. That's for sure. All right. Absolutely. Great job. Appreciate it. As always, we'll talk next week. Thanks, man. Steve Souter, everybody. Great. All right, back tomorrow with Tommy.