The Kevin Sheehan Show - Tate Expected To Be A Commander

Episode Date: June 12, 2026

Kevin and Thom today with World Cup talk to start. The boys caught up on the incredible Knicks Game 4 comeback before reacting to WR Carnell Tate saying that he expected to go to Washington in April's NFL Draft. Some Nats, historical New York sports moments, and more as well.   For all your betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match   Get 20% off your first order at www.FastGrowingTrees.com with code [Sheehan].   Refresh your everyday with luxury you'll actually use. Head to www.quince.com/SHEEHAN for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too.   Chime is not just smarter banking, it is the most rewarding way to bank. Head to www.Chime.com/SHEEHAN. It only takes a few minutes to sign up. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Window Nation, 86690 Nation, Window Nation.com. Dave writes, Tommy. Kevin, I love the show, but your Ripkin Iron Man persona is fading. You just took five vacation days, and then you made. missed today, meaning yesterday, because you didn't have a voice?

Question mark, question mark. Your consistency has been a badge of honor. You need some work to get it back. Thank you for that, Dave. I do it. I have to work. I got to work on getting it back. Let me just tell you, I'm drugged up today, brother.

I'm all steroided up. Feeling good. You're nothing like steroids, baby. I tell you why, your public is very demanding of you. A little bit too much. Don't you think, considering that we're usually here delivering? Yes. Yeah.

And it's not like you're taking money out of their pocket or something like that. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm glad that somebody missed the show. I'm glad at least one person missed the show yesterday. Yeah, I woke up. I had no voice. Now, I will tell you, part of it was in full disclosure, I was playing golf on Wednesday.

It rained after about six or seven holes, and all of us went back into the men's grill for about two hours, which was a bit of a mistake. And then we went back out on the golf course, finished and then hung out a little bit longer. But I just woke up, and I was shot, and I literally could barely speak. But...

Well, let me tell you something, buddy. Thanks to the wonders of books. You're getting a preview of what's a head. head. Really? No, not. You think so? Yes, you are.

Because now, and, you know, I'm a lot older than you, but still now, I notice a normal, well, I mean, a day out of drinking, and for me it's not what it used to be, but. I really didn't drink that much. That's the ironic part. I mean, it just, because it was over a long period of time, too. So it wasn't, it really wasn't that, I don't think. But go ahead. Your recovery after drinking is a little bit slower.

It needs a full day. Yeah. To recover. I hear you on that. I notice. You know, I don't know if I should say this or not. Whatever. I have, when we bought this new house, my wife asked me, she said,

do you want to put a steam into the shower? I'm like, yes, we're going to do that. We are definitely going to do that. because I love taking steams, whether it's at the place where I play golf or I used to be a member at a health club and I would always steam not only after a workout or after, say, playing basketball, it became a pre-workout regimen for me where I'll go in and I will stretch especially before playing basketball back in the day. and I do it quite often before playing golf. I will actually go into the steam and stretch before I go out. It's very helpful. Anyway, we put this steam into the shower.

And yesterday when I woke up, that was the first thing I did. I'm like, I can't talk. So I got some hot tea. I got into the steam and tried to sweat out whatever. whatever it was, and it didn't work. But can I just tell you that, you know, steams and saunas are very, very good for you. Apparently, saunas even better than steam, but they're anti-inflammatories, basically. You're getting anti-influensual.

I thought jumping in a bucket full of ice cream. That's good for you, too. That's very anti-inflammatory. Oh, this is all bullshit. No, it isn't, Tommy. It's not. No, it isn't. It is not. Oh, it is too. I've not done the ice plunges. I have friends that do ice plunges. Oh, it's all bull. No, it is not. It's, it's true. Why?

Let me tell you. By the way, I mean, you'd be the guy. If I was happy to be in the steam and there was a guy in there stretching while he's in the steam, I'd be grown in Jesus. Look at this guy. Well, wait a minute. I go in there and stretch. before I play golf now, I go in fully clothed, so I'm not stretching naked in front of you. I actually go in, I throw a towel down, and I do two minutes of just stretches just to loosen up. It's better than going out cold, much better than going out cold. No, heat and heat, extreme heat, extreme cold are natural anti-inflammatories. Whatever you say, but that's... They're a finally tuned athlete like you.

No, I'm not a finally tuned athlete, which you. is precisely why I have to do things like that. That's the point, is that I'm always sore. And you know, I have a back issue. I've had multiple surgeries on my lower back. And that's a big part of it. My concern every time I go out to do anything is I don't want to end up being, you know, for the next three or four weeks, not being able to do anything. And, no, inflammation is I mean there are people listening

that are much more astute when it comes to the medical benefits of a steam, a sauna or ice plunges or you know the freezing things that people jump into for 30 seconds or 60 seconds

ice therapy what do they call that cryotherapy cryotherapy people swear by I've never done done that, although I almost did it about two years ago. But no, inflammation is the source of so many things that aren't good for you. So I would recommend to you, I think you'd do best in an ice plunge.

I'd love to see you jump into an ice plunge. But no, can I also just mention that when I go into the steam to stretch before, let's just say playing golf, if somebody's in there, the first thing I do is apologize. guys. First thing I do is I'm sorry because you don't want somebody standing up here as you're taking a nice steam. I'm going to be out of here in two minutes.

And I'm not, and I don't do it fully naked. Because I think that's what you were saying, right? If some dude walked in fully naked doing stretches, yes, that would be a problem. Yes.

Yeah. You know what? We might have a good conversation if you were the one in the steam. and I came in there. We might be able to do some of the show in there. Let's do the show from steam one day. Saunas apparently are even better for you. Because that's even hotter heat.

But I'll tell you what, there's something that psychologically, like after a long night getting into the steam and sweating those toxins out, even if it's not real, it feels like it's real. And you're rejuvenated. How are you? How are you? doing? I'm doing okay. I'm doing okay. Yeah. Boy, that was not an enthusiastic I'm doing okay.

Well, you know, generally in the morning, it's not my good time. We are recording in the morning here on Friday, June 12th. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. Thanks for disclosing that to everybody. But we are... Come on. You blurt it. You have blurted it out. Oh, no, no, no. I... Yeah, usually, usually when it's very possible, that something that we're doing early could get dated quickly by some sort of an event. And the only thing going on to daytime is your favorite, the World Cup. I know. Which got underway yesterday.

I watched some of it yesterday. No, you didn't. Yes, I had to. I was at the cigar store up in Frederick and they added on. Which game? The Mexico game? The Mexico versus South Africa. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Our conversation the other day about Chechia or Chechia, several people emailed. I'd have to find what they are, but they're like, they were very condescending that we didn't immediately recognize Chechia as the former Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic. We did recognize it. We did get to it. We did get to it. We got to it.

We understood what it was. Once you looked up the... Once you looked up the Capitol, we both nailed it. Once we figured out that Prague was the Capitol, they lost to South Korea last night. And tonight... Oh, my gosh. Tonight we...

What does that mean? Are the South Koreans terrible in soccer? I have no idea. Then why was it a no-my-gosh? Was it a condescending sarcastic? I'm just trying to obtain interest. Oh. Tonight, you know, the USA plays Paraguay, and the game is not sold out in SoFi.

Really? Yep. How many people you think there are in Paraguay? Country, let me see. Well, let me, I'll just take a guess, and I will say, 8 million. 7 million. Pretty good guess. Hey, that's not a bad guess. Right.

And they can play... Seven million people. And they're probably better in soccer than we are. Is that what you're about to say? Yeah. Yeah. They probably are. Well, their best athletes play soccer.

Ours don't. Yes. Ours don't. Yeah. Ours play football. Soccer camp, baby. It's that time of year. Go ahead.

Say it. Yes, it is. What would happen if the Seahawks spent two weeks at soccer camp? No, three weeks. Got to do three weeks. Okay, three weeks at soccer. camp if the Seahawks were there. Three weeks at soccer camp, they'd do better than the U.S. team.

Four weeks, and they'd win the World Cup outright. I think the first time you ever said it was the funniest. It's kind of now. I don't know. It's still funny. It's still good. When people hear it for the first time, they laugh pretty hard. And you know what?

It's not true. But if we took our absolute best athletes from, let's just say, the four-man major sports and sent them to soccer camp for just say a year, they'd probably do pretty well in the World Cup. Yes. Yes, they would. You know, I'm all in favor. I talked about this years ago, that the United States should break away from FIFA and the

World Cup and start their own Super Bowl of soccer. For all the countries that don't make the World Cup, although there's, there's, Now it's up to 48 countries, so it's harder, harder to do. Look at you know in the size of the field. First time at 48 teams. I know. I know. So, and they break away from that, and they hold their old world tournament, you know?

Because we're the United States. We can do stuff like that. We can do whatever we want. And we call it the Super Bowl of soccer. Yes. And then when we win that, because we set it up for us to win, then we challenge the winner of the world. Cup to a one-time game.

I don't think we would win that, no matter how much we set it up. Did you know Italy's not in the World Cup? They didn't qualify. And Italy, didn't they win the World Cup like three World Cups ago? I think so. Good for them. I'm glad they're out. Bastards wouldn't take me as a citizen.

I'm looking at my bookie right now for the odds for the actual overall World Cup. France and Spain are both the favorites at plus 450. England is at plus 700. Portugal's at plus 750. Brazil at plus 850. In Argentina, it plus 9.10. You want to know what the United States odds of winning the World Cup are? Yes, I do, sir.

Plus 6,400. So they are 64 to 1 to win the World Cup. There are much longer shots than New Zealand right now is the longest shot to win the World Cup. So nobody expecting much from them. Paraguay basically has, oh, they have lesser odds than the U.S. You see? Yeah.

I see what? What are their odds? Hold on, I just had it, and I just closed it out. That's okay. Don't worry about it. None of this is important. It's not important at all. They're 160 to 1. The U.S. is at 64 to 1.

So the U.S. could be able to handle these guys. He should be able to, right? Well, what's interesting, though, is that the game tonight, it would appear as if, yeah, the U.S. is the favorite tonight to win against Paraguay. And I'm looking at, this is one of the funny things about the World Cup, almost every single World Cup I notice this. The over-under on goals for basically, every game is between two and three.

It's two, two and a half, or three. Let me see if I can find one over under higher than three. No. Ah, yes, I found one. Oh, wow. We have Germany and, well, well, hold on, that's three. Spain and Cape Verde, three and a half.

is the total. There you go. So I would think they would consider that a route for Spain in a game like that. Well, that they're going to score themselves like five goals, yes. That's probably why it is. The other team they're not predicting. Let's see what they do have goal lines. Yeah, to your point, Tommy, Spain is a two and a half goal favorite on the spread line.

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They've got everything you need. They've got all the prop bets. You can bet the tournament right now. You can bet the groups and the, you know, they're, well, they're 48 teams. Tommy, that would probably make it 12 groups of four. And then what do they do? They go to 32. If 12 groups of four, the top two would produce 24.

That's not a clean knockout number. So they probably have another eight teams that end up in third place in their groups. that qualify based on, I don't know, uniform color. Probably it has something to do with goals scored or goal differential, I'm guessing. What else could it be? Because that's the only thing that happens. Not a lot of it, but scoring. But yeah.

You know, what? I learned about soccer when I was a little kid from reading the cartoon Andy Kat. You remember the cartoon Andy Kat? I know. I was not a big cartoon reader. Sorry. Okay. But tell me about it. Tell me about it. Andy Cap. And it was this guy, this British guy, who wore cap, like a British kind of cap, a newsboy kind of hat, if you will. And all he did was smoke and drink and bet and not work. And he was my hero growing up. I mean, when I was like eight, nine years old.

Right. That was your hero. And he would bet on soccer. He would go down to the book bookie and bet on soccer. And that's how I learned about soccer from reading Andy Cap. You get a free $500 bet at MyBooky, which means no matter what happens, you're going to get your 500 bucks back. Go to mybooky.com or mybooky.orgie.orgia. And use my promo code, DC Reload, or Kevin, D.C.

I'm actually looking at the World Cup Golden Boot Award odds. The Golden Boot Award, I would certainly assume, is the MVP of the entire tournament. And Mbapé is the favorite to win that. And then it's Harry Kane. He's English, correct? I think he is. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Ask me.

Yeah, and then, you know, the names, I know the name Mbapé. Do you? No. Oh, yeah, he's a big world star. And then the two biggest stars are Messi and Ronaldo. But I think they're both. I know those guys. They're older.

I mean, I think Ronaldo's like 40 right now. They've got the fifth and sixth best odds for the Golden Boot Award. Do you think that Messi and or Ronaldo is the most recognizable athlete on planet Earth right now? One of those two or would be somebody else? No, I think it's one of those two. You do? Yeah. Should I ask you which of the two is more recognizable?

Sure. Why don't you ask me that? You don't think it's somebody like Jordan? No, no. No, it's Ronaldo. Okay. I wonder if there's like a list. Yeah, I'm pulling up just to see if anybody's got like a list of...

Ask your staff to check? This is ESPN. They did this. I don't know what you. year this was. Well, they don't know shit ESPN. World fame, the most famous 100 athletes. Rinaldo was one, LeBron James was two, Messi was three. Namar, this has to be old. I would still, by the way, I would still consider that Muhammad Ali might be the most recognizable face in terms of athletes in the world even today.

that may be I'd like to think that yeah by the way here's the list that was just put out Ronaldo Michael Jordan Usain Bolt messy

that's the list it's one of these yard barker things whatever yeah so it's some guy making the list I guess it's some guy guy.

Yeah. Yeah. Some guy saying, I'm going to be a sports writer. You love those guys. I wonder what about like tennis players. Why isn't Nadal or Jokovic or Federer on a list like this? Okay. Here's, no, this is another fan site.

Sorry. But at least it's more recent. And they've got as the number one, ooh, it's messy. Rinaldo Jordan. Those are the top three. Okay. This has been scintillating conversation to get us started because I didn't do a... Let me just finish.

Yes, please. Let me just finish with this scintillating soccer conversation. All this does not apply to the women. Okay. Because women's soccer was a relatively new sport in the 20th century. and the Americans are on an even playing field with the rest of the country in that case. So therefore, they have the best athletes to the women's team. That's why they do so well, I think, compared to the men.

And we'll have a chance maybe to see that when that big event comes to D.C., perhaps maybe at the new stadium. When it's 2031? Well, the stadium. Is that what we're all waiting for? We're all waiting for the 2031 Women's World Cup, and I would imagine that the new stadium will be a site for that. Yes. I mean, it was a big part of the push to get this thing through when they got it through.

Oh, it was a deal breaker. It was a major deal. By the way, excellent observation, and I'm really glad you got that in because it is true. Our women don't... Now, how many World Cups have our women won? You don't even know the answer to that. But we know they've won at least one. And have the men ever won a World Cup?

Didn't they win like in the 20s or 30s or something like that? I thought maybe they won in 1950, or maybe not. Okay. I don't know. World Cup titles for the women, all right? In 91, 99, 2015, and 2019. So they've clearly been among the best teams in the world. And to your point, it's because many of our female great athletes in this country play soccer.

And yeah. Actually, in 1950, Uruguay won the World Cup. Okay. And that was only the fourth World Cup ever. The fourth World FIFA, FIFA, the fourth one. That was only the fourth one. thought this thing's been going on for 200 years. No?

I don't think so. Oh. The United States men's national soccer team has never won the FIFA Men's World Cup. The team's best ever performance was a third place finish in the inaugural 1930 tournament held in Uruguay. Third place. Okay. So you know what?

We're almost 100 years in and we haven't won. Let's just, let's bag it, okay? Let's bag the World Cup. A hundred years, you know. I mean, I think you're trying to tell you something. How about this, Tommy? In 1950, this is perhaps what you were thinking of. In 1950...

Yeah, there was something that happened with the United States team in 50. The 1950 U.S. Men's World Cup team pulled off one of the biggest shocks in the history of the tournament, defeating England won nothing in the group state. So, can you imagine how angry they were? Oh, I bet the coach should have been fired after that game, whoever the coach was. Nigel something. What? Andy Cap would not have been happy.

No, no. I'm just looking, does anybody give the U.S. men a chance to, like, at least get into the knockout stage? Yeah, it does look like it goes from 48 to 30. And then you start the knockout stage. You know, this thing lasts like five weeks. I know. And it will end. You're going to the title game.

My brother's already sent me all of the relevant information for the July 19th World Cup final in East Rutherford, New Jersey. The Meadowlands, I will be there. Unless somehow, I'm trying to get him to send me my ticket in advance. So maybe I can see what I could get for it. No, I'm kidding. He did say, he said, based on what they're telling all ticket holders for that game, you basically have to try to leave about three hours before the game begins

because transportation will not be easy and security will be very, very tight. Well, most people, you say, I know you're not normal anymore. Most people leave three hours before the event. No, they don't. Yes, they do because they anticipate there'll be big crowds. Oh, God. Okay. You know what?

that might be hard on you might have to take a steam before you go to that game I'm going to steam and the game starts at three and I'm going to tell them I'll meet him at the train at 215 all right let's talk about the game from the other night because I have a couple of takes that I have no idea if they've already been put out there but one in particular I feel pretty strongly about we'll get to it next after these words from a few of our sponsors I'll be honest. At first, I was skeptical about ordering plants online, like, is this thing actually going to show up alive? But that's what surprised me most about fast-growing trees. They don't just ship plants. They've built a whole system to protect them until they arrive at your door.

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Got no go of the tip of it. It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. With 1.2 remaining, Knicks take the lead. OG Ananobe, and it's 107, 106. That Ananobe put back gave the Knicks the lead. They survived the last possession. Actually, Carl Anthony Towns did a really good job on the inbound's defense of that final San Antonio play, and the Knicks completed the largest comeback in NBA finals. history 107-106 winners over San Antonio in game four. We've got a lot on that in this segment coming up.

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Today, I do want to ask you because you, you know New York sports history, and man, is this Ananobe putback already being called one of the most incredible moments in New York sports history? I think they should go on to win the title if it's going to be considered that. But I have two big takeaways from this game, and there are a lot of, you know, smaller takeaways. Number one is this. Dearen Fox was terrible in this game, but the criticism of him shooting with about 13 seconds to go on that ball that he chased down, yes, the preference would have been with a one-point lead to gather the ball somehow, to dribble around and dribble

more clock out, get fouled, go to the free throw line, knock both down, and have a three-point lead. And he's, he was terrible in the second half in particular, and he cost them on a number of possessions, including the throwaway that Josh Hart went down and then missed the layup that would have given the next their first lead. But I, I don't, I don't think that Deerrin Fox had the opportunity that everybody thinks he so easily had. His forward momentum, Tommy, is he was chasing that ball down to try to beat New York Knicks to the ball. It literally, you know, continued as he touched the ball for the first time at the rim

itself. And the natural thing, I think, for a basketball player, and it was the one sport that I played, you know, at a decent level. through the high school level anyway. I feel like when you're chasing a ball down like that and you get to it and you're right at the rim, you just feel like it's a layup. And it wouldn't have been difficult to gather the ball stop. But if he had stopped, he would have been fouled immediately.

There wouldn't have been a lot of clock that would have run off the, that would have run off. I don't think. I mean, maybe the Nick defender runs right. by him and anobie. I just think that that criticism was incredibly over the top. And I didn't feel in the moment watching it live or even afterwards that that was the worst of his mistakes. Sure, you'd rather not shoot that.

But he thought he had an easy layup for a three-point lead. And it was part of his ability, best ability in the moment because of the forward momentum him he had at the rim in chasing that ball down. Some of you may agree. I think some of you that have chased a ball down even in a pickup game and you're near that basket, you're just going to naturally lay it in and it was a great play by Ananobe. That play was as important as his tip on the other end, just as important.

Although the Knicks would have been down three and would have had a chance had he not blocked it. But I didn't think that that was the worst mistake by Deerrin Fox. And I I didn't, I thought of it in the moment, but I also kind of understood why once he got it and was right at the rim, he went up and tried to score. So that was number one. Most of you I know will disagree. I speak to that? Yes, please. He's your point guard, right? Yes, and he's your veteran. He's the one that's older than all the other guys. So he has to know, and this

speaks to a bigger problem for the Spurs the whole second half. He has to know that his opponent are not the Knicks. His opponent is the clock. That's got to be in his mind almost all the time in the second half, and particularly

in the last minute of the game. That the opponent is the clock. That's who you're playing again. Or your friend your is the clock. However you want to look at it, but I understand what you're saying. However you want to do it, that's what's in front of you right now. And I would hope that my point card would have the presence of mine in the heat of that moment to recognize that. So I think that's a big failing on his part. Most people do. You're 100% with the massive majority based on reading and watching a lot of the post game yesterday. I just, you know, you

Usually, you know me, you know, with the clock management and the whole thing, in the moment, it wasn't the first thing that popped into my mind because I kind of looked at, you know, his dead sprint to the ball, and where he caught it, it was right at the rim. And by the way, probably because he was in a dead sprint, he didn't have a chance to even see the clock. And if he had seen the clock, there's still a lot of time left. Do you want the easy two or do you want to burn two or three seconds and then have to make two free throws? Now, D'Aren Fox is a pretty good free throw shooter. Look, it would have been preferable for him to catch the ball and try to dribble six or seven seconds off the clock,

which I don't think he would have been able to do and then go to the free throw line. And now the Knicks have to make a three. I think he would have come close. I don't think it would have been that much. I don't think Knicks were in pursuit. Obviously Ananobe was in pursuit. So I understand the pushback and the preference obviously would have been for him to do what you wanted him to do. I just think I'm trying to understand why he did what he did and I think that there is some level of explanation for it. The second part for me is that, and this is going to continue the theme of the series for me, which is, you know,

Well, Wambayama is just a bit much right now for me. I'm just, I said the other day, he's a dirty player. And by the way, you notice that they did not call that a flagrant after the fact, because it would have, had they called it a flagrant too, he would have been suspended for the game, for game four. So, because that would have been a two-point flagrant. So, you know, he got the third flagrant. He's now one flagrant away from being suspended for the next.

game. By the way, I thought the flagrant the other night that was called, I actually thought that was borderline inadvertent. The one against Brunson in game three was malicious and intentional, in my opinion. But, you know,

the first half that he had and the first half that the Spurs had and he's taunting. I mean, he is taunting Mitchell Robinson. You know, he's like I'm in everybody's head. And you know what? That was And, you know, the announcers did a terrible job, by the way.

Uh-oh. I'm sorry. I know your boy. You're the best. What are you going to say? I know, but they did a terrible. They did a terrible try. They didn't focus on it.

They're on Fox thing. Darren Fox? Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, on that, on you talk about Robinson and Wembe Yamma, uh, before Robinson shoved him, you know, knocked him down, you know, knocked him down, warmed him. Right.

Like, you could see they were, he was talking to it. Robinson the whole way down the court. He provoked that. He's a yapper, man. He is a trash talker. You could see that coming. Yeah. I mean, he was in his face talking to him the whole way down the court. And then Robinson had enough of it and shoved him down. Yeah.

So he basically provoked that. Not a word from the announces on that. I really thought it was a very poor effort. Well, let me just tell you that I did not watch the first half with sound. I was with a bunch of people watching the first half. then went home and got the second half. So I missed that part of it. But I did catch that they didn't. Look, I just told you that my first reaction on the Deeran Fox play wasn't to kill him for shooting it.

It wasn't how I felt immediately. And maybe it's not the way Legler and Jefferson felt immediately. But Wembe Nama, look, I have to, of course, preface this with, he's incredible. He's really, really unbelievably skilled and talented for somebody his size and even for somebody smaller.

Like he's really good, but God, the I'm in your head stuff. And then, where was he in the second half? Now, I mean... You know where he was? He was over in the right corner of the court. Yeah.

For somebody to throw him the ball. That's where he was. Yeah, because he thinks he is, is their maybe not point guard, but he certainly thinks he's the two guard, you know, on the team. And, you know, he was invisible down the stretch after yapping with the big lead the entire time. So I mean, he should be your machine to basically when you got that lead, that like the spurs have, what you do, you feed the big man, the ball inside. You slow the game down.

You send him to the foul line. That's what should have been the process. 100%. He went one for four from the free throw line and missed those two crucial free throws. I know. Oh, I know. And he's usually a good free throw. He's a great free throw shooter.

It was a lot of yapping and not much backing it up when they needed him to stop the bleeding. Now. So that was my. other big takeaway. There are a couple of others, but I, he's like he's 20, he's 22 years old. I know. He really is young. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of growth here, but that was not his best moment. But I'm also going to defend him from this standpoint. It just was a terrible job by San Antonio coaching wise. Just a terrible job. He played 44 minutes in a game. I don't think he was cowering at the end. I don't think he was doing what LeBron James did against Dallas in his first

finals with the heat. I think he was gas. I think he thought this was their style. I thought this is what he, I thought he thought he was being aggressive by waiting for the ball in the corner. Well, I think he was gassed too. You could see it defensively. Like he was, and he was gassed because with the big lead, Mitch Johnson never took him, didn't really take him out of the game enough. He should have been resting a lot more with the 29-point lead, the 19-point lead. There were plenty of opportunities. He played in a game in which they led 27 at halftime, 29 third quarter. He played 44 of the 48 minutes. We've already seen this guy. He can get gassed. I've seen it multiple times in the postseason.

But, yeah, I mean, I hated that Carl Anthony Towns got those two quick fouls. I thought that that was a big part of why San Antonio was able to really crunch them in the first half because of how much he had to sit. And by the way, bad decision by Carl Anthony Towns on that drive where they first called Wembeenjama. That was a really ballsy challenge by Johnson because it was so. super early in the game, but it was the right challenge. Very ballsy. Absolutely. I was shocked when they came back. Yeah. And they said that the call had been changed.

On this, either with you on Wednesday or with Scott on Wednesday, and I forget who it was, but we were talking about some of the other players that had played well for the Knicks, and I said, I really liked the way they play with Alvarado in the game. Because the ball sticks with Brunson. And by the way, they were much better the other night than they were in game three, even as they were getting behind. But Alvarado, they play much differently when he's in there for Brunson. And I said the other day, I'd try playing them together. It wasn't you.

It was Scott. Because Scott said, well, how are you going to guard anybody on defense? I'm like, that would be a problem. I understand that. But I bet you it'll be better offensively. It'll be harder at times to guard. And Mike Brown put those two together. And it was a big difference maker in game four.

I really like Alvarado. I also think he's got big you know what's. And he hit a big three. He is not afraid of anybody. He's the one that's probably other than Kat in this series. When he's been in there, he's probably taken it at Wembeñama more than anybody at six feet. but I loved that idea because I thought it would be better for them offensively. And sure, it should have been, it should have been worse for them defensively.

But when you're going to shoot eight three-pointers in a row on eight straight possessions with a big lead, and Tommy, the average time of shot clock left during that stretch in the third quarter when they shot and missed eight straight threes was 11. seconds still left on the shot clock. That is a terrible job by the spurs of managing the big lead. I know how hot they were in the first half, but once they started missing all those shots and kept putting them up, I mean, this is a team that shot 43-3s in a game in which they had a 29-point lead. That's embarrassing. That's not analytics. If it is, I mean, piss on those analytics.

Because you could have easily milked that game away. Poorly managed, poor we coached. Yeah. And then Dylan Harper, where is he in Crunchtime? He wasn't in the game in Crunch Time in Game 1. How do you not have him in the game in Crunch Time? He is, I mean, he and Castle have been just as good as Wembeeniamen this. series.

Yeah. All right. We'll finish it up. I want to find out from you, you know, much more of a New York sports historian than anybody probably listening, where that moment sort of ranks the Ananobe

tip and the comeback overall. And there was some information that was interesting about a player that was convinced that Washington was going to take him at number seven in the draft. That's next. Hey, guys, it's great.

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and I guarantee you at any given time this weekend, there's going to be World Cup soccer. There's going to be NBA playoffs. There's always baseball on. And it will be interesting, because, you know, Because in D.C. this weekend, they're having the UFC fight at the White House. Yeah, yeah, saw the setup. Okay. Right.

So there'll be a lot of UFC fans because they are cigar smoking fans. They will be at Shelley's backroom this weekend, making it ground central for sports this weekend in D.C. You can find out more by going to shelley's backroom.com. Carnell Tate, the wide receiver at Ohio State, was on Amon Rob St. Brown's podcast and said this. My first question is, did you know you were going to go that early? No, I didn't know I was going to go that early. We thought my dress started at, we said we started at four and then four to 15, but realistically, I thought I was going to go like six or seven or eight.

Did you have other teams? You felt like they were targeting you that wanted you? I thought Cleveland. I thought they weren't going to pass up on me. And then also commanders. So I think I was locked down with the commanders. And then they were like saying, oh, the chief, so they're not going to get past them. If you're there and not, they're going to take you.

But I thought I was going to commanders. So Carnell Tate thought that he was going to be selected by Washington at seven. It could have been Cleveland at six, but Washington at seven. Now here's what I don't know. I thought there was a chance it could be Tate as well. I thought that there was some interest in Tate for sure. But what we don't know is if Stiles had been on the board at the same time as Tate, what would they have done with Stiles and Tate as options at the same time?

Now, that would have required, say, you know, Jordan Tyson or Caleb Downs or somebody like that to get picked in the spot that Tate got picked or somebody else, because, you know, you can't, the math doesn't work if you say both of them are available without putting somebody else into that spot. But my question to you is because you've been critical of Adam Peters, you're not the only one, and what they've done at wide receiver in this off season. I, you know, we've talked about how they were interested in Pierce. They were interested in Dobbs and free agency.

They made offers on both. Didn't get either one. they drafted a receiver in the third round, but does this change your mind at all about the effort and the importance of wide receiver to Adam Peters-Lance Newmark and company during this off-season? Well, I guess it would in the sense that I would have hoped that they would have realized that, look,

nobody knows anything about whether these players are going to be great NFL players. But that said, Carnell Tate seems like the closest thing you were going to get to a guarantee that he would be a quality NFL receiver. And it seemed to me a no-brainer that if he was available

when you were drafting and given the need that we've all obsessed with us, we all can't be this stupid to think that they need a wide receiver while they're sitting over there laughing at it saying, we don't need no stinking wide receiver. Yeah.

You know, we like our wide receivers Bullshit. They need help. Of course they think they need help. They've been trying to get help. And they finally, you know, defaulted on Diami Brown and Van Jefferson as the help and drafting a receiver in the third round. Look, they could have taken Jordan Tyson. I think Jordan Tyson was risky because of the injuries in college personally. Yeah, I agree.

And they're big into the analytics for injuries. We found that out last summer with Terry. So a lot of the analytics say that if you're injured in college as a wide receiver, high probability of being injured as a pro. So Tyson was on the board, and he is a talent, but maybe he wasn't on their board. I liked Carnell Tate a lot more than maybe some who were listening did, and I think he's going to be a very good receiver, and I would have been fine had they taken Tate at 7. I'm fine with Stiles.

But I don't know what, you know, a Stiles Tate option at 7, what would they have done? I don't know. I've seen the video of Adam Peters and Josh Harrison Quinn and Durante Jones and Lance Newmark when Stiles was on the board. That just came out, you know, the draft videos that everybody likes sharing with everybody in the call to the player. But, yeah, Tate was shocked that he went forth to Tennessee. really thought that Washington would be the likely destination. And just because you want to upgrade the position doesn't mean that it is definitely going to happen. You know, in free agency, you need buy-in from the players.

Yes. All right. Tell me where the Ananobe tip. And by the way, I didn't even mention, you know, I was okay with them doubling doubling Brunson in that spot. There are 5.7 seconds left. If he's got to give up the ball,

you're going to get not the best shot, and it's not going to be him shooting it. I also didn't have a problem with Brunson taking that shot because it was open for him. He's capable of knocking that down, and the inbounds is at 5.7. It's not like you might get something so much better.

But just tell me, New York sports, you know, certainly knowledge. People are talking about this as if it's one of the greatest moments in New York sports history. Scott was there the other night. He called me afterwards.

He said it was the most incredible scene down this stretch he's ever witnessed at a sporting event. He said, all-time memorable. What do you say? I can believe that. Look, and you acknowledge this earlier in the show, if the Knicks go on to lose the series,

it's a memory for Nick fans, but it gets lost among the other heroic efforts and losing causes. Okay. Yeah. You got to win the series, right? You got to have a title for this. Yeah. Yeah. And you got to win the series, and the next are going to win the series because I think what happened in game four was soul-sucking for the spurs.

But anyway, this right, this is probably the greatest thing. play in the history of the New York Knicks. I'm asking for the moment. And to me, the comeback's just as much a moment as the Ananoby Tip. I'll give you the top two, I think. The top two, and this is old school stuff, Bobby Thompson's home run in the 1951 playoffs between the Dodgers and the Giants. Right.

Dodgers won the penalty. In a way, that was the comeback. because the Dodgers had like at one point of 14-game lead in the National League. The Giants wound up coming back to tie it. They had a three-game series, which Bobby Thompson hit one with a home run. The famous Giants win the pennant, Giants, win the pennant, Giants when the pennant, right. I would put Mookie Wilson's dribbler in game of the Red Sox Mets that scored Ray Knight in the winning run. In that comeback, that was.

That was the comeback of all comeback. Yes. You know, because they had the champagne in the Red Sox locker room. I mean, I think it's the number one worst moment in Boston sports history, Bill Buckner, right? I think it is, yeah. So I think those two are tops. Then you have the David Tyree catch in the Super Bowl drive. But I think this goes ahead of that.

I can't believe you haven't mentioned. something. What, the Willis Reed game? Yes. I know that, but that wasn't a shot. I said a moment. I said a moment. Okay.

Okay. The Willis Reed Game 7, when he walked out of the dressing room, took the warm-ups, the Lakers, and watched him, and then he hit his first two shots. What are we doing? When I said to you before the show, I'm going to ask you about the, comeback Ananoi, you know, tip where it ranks.

All I kept thinking was he's just going to laugh at the notion. It's going to be great. He's going to laugh. He's going to hit his highest pitch falsetto possible. And it's going to be all about Willis Reed in game seven. I mean, come on, man. How did I have to remind you with that? I got to tell you, if they win and there may be greater moments.

I mean, I don't want to be blinded by my passions. You have to recognize that this is the greatest moment, I think, if they win. What about Aaron Boone? What about Aaron Boone? Games in. Well, they went on to lose the World Series. Oh, they did. Who did they lose to?

Florida? No. The Marlins. Yeah, they did lose. Of all teams. Yeah. Yeah. And that's still an iconic moment.

Yeah. which I was there for, by the way. Speaking of blown leads, how about the Nats had a chance to sweep San Francisco the other day? I mean, they were up nine to one, and we were in the eighth inning. How do you blow an eight-run lead in two innings? That was painful.

But listen, I mean, I think Nats fans should be pretty optimistic. There were some people that thought this would be the rule, not the exception. I know. And it's been the exception so far. Still, they had a remarkable West Coast road trip. I think they were four and two on the West Coast. They're home tonight. I'll be at the game.

They played a Mariners tonight at home. I still got to think you've got to be basking in the glow of what they've done so far. You have to be. You have to be. You know, after they won the second game against San Francisco, they were in the third spot, in the third one. wild card spot. Now, after that game the other day, they're a game back. But this is going to be, I really want this to be part of the conversation as we approach the trade deadline to see what

and how the learners will handle it. If they're sitting there, like, And not just the learners, but so Bonnie. Okay. I know, but he's not, if he wants to be a buyer and the learners say no. I just, it would be, like, they're 35 and 34 right now. So how many games, probably another, what, 30 games until the trade deadline? More than that. Maybe another 40 games. More than that.

Let's just say they go 500 and they're 65 and, you know, if they're like 65 and 64, a game over 500 at that point, and they're sitting there a half game or a game out of the third wild card spot. Oh, you got to go for it. You have to. Yes, you have. to. You have fans that are literally, I mean, they lost a lot since 2019.

I know, and that's not even the reason. The reason is you're never guaranteed of being close. Right. You're close. Take advantage of it. And I would assume that pitching would be

the, you know, the goal at the trade deadline. You would think so. but their offense has no problem scoring it seems no hockey talk on this show today kind of a shame because I did pay attention a little bit last night was watching a little bit

this series has been some say one of the highest quality Stanley Cup finals in years every single game super close and Caroline's on the version of winning me I watch one of the games I'm rooting for Vegas because George McPhee is the president there Yeah, absolutely. McPhee was always first-rate when he was here. All right, go USA tonight against Paraguay.

Talk to you on Tuesday. Have a great weekend, everybody. I'll be back on Monday. See you, Tommy. See you, boss.