The Kevin Sheehan Show - Taylor's Dallas Debacle

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

Kevin and Thom today with much more on Taylor Heinicke's game against the Cowboys. Lots of follow-up on the Dallas debacle including thoughts on the 'away' crowd at home. Kevin with some Jon Allen info, Bradley Beal guesses, and Thom on his battles at home about their new purchase.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I'm here today. Just a reminder, if you haven't subscribed to the podcast, do so.

It doesn't cost you a thing. If you can rate us and review us, wherever you have that ability, specifically on Apple and Spotify. It's a big help if you rate us five stars and write a short one to two sentence review. okay Tommy your boy our boy I don't want to say your boy

our boy who's really wait a minute wait a minute before we get started yeah okay that's it we're done what does that mean

okay well you said you wanted to you wanted to make it quick oh I did I did before the show today let's make it quick I did I don't I am quick

I mean don't put it Don't put handcuffs on me before we even start the show. We've done that before where we've both said to each other, or you've said to me sometimes, hey, can we make it quicker today? And you know what typically happens? It ends up being our longest show of the week. That's what usually happens. All right, so I was going to say, I don't want to,

I think the Our Boy, Your Boy, or this Taylor Heineke thing's gotten a little bit out of control. And I really, I talked a lot about it on radio today because I got a note from a dude that I actually kind of known. He said, you gave Taylor Heineckee a D on Sunday. You were way off base. It was the offensive line all day long. He had no chance. There was no room for Gibson to run.

He dropped back. He had no time. All but maybe four to five quarterbacks would have had the day that Heineke had on Sunday. I usually agree with most of your Monday recaps. the game, but you were just wrong about Taylor Heineke. And, you know, I said, I'll tell you, I actually didn't give Taylor Heineke a D on the game. I gave him a D minus, okay? And after watching some of the game back, I'm not changing my grade. He was terrible on Sunday, as was the entire offense. I gave the entire offense an F for the game, because the offensive line wasn't very good.

Antonio Gibson wasn't very good. No one was really that. good. Anybody that wants to blame Scott Turner, I would urge you to go watch the All-22. There were people open in this game on a lot of different plays. But beyond that, I just, after reading this, I just said, like, I'm kind of, well, I shouldn't say I'm sick of it because it generates interest and people get worked up, and you know there's no better topic than the topic that is somewhat polarizing and gets everybody emotional. But on some level, it's like. especially the Washington quarterback. Let's face it, one of our greatest debates was Rex Grossman and John Beck.

Two of the most irrelevant quarterback in the history of the franchise. So true. God, we were at each other's throats. Oh, my God. And I was right about that. But I just don't think that this weekly referendum makes any sense. sense, like needing to have, you know, a definitive answer. The truth is he's, he was really good at times during that four-game stretch. He was really bad on Sunday. He should play on Sunday this coming

week. He shouldn't get benched as long as he's healthy. I think he should just play the rest of the games. I don't think Kyle Allen's going to be that much of an upgrade more likely than not. But, you know, as far as what the future goes, we can have that conversation at the end of the year. I think if anybody's objective, you would say there's a lot of things you like about him. There's a lot of limitations. And more likely than not, he's not Tony Romo or Kurt Warner. You know, he's not a true elite quarterback in this league. If you're being objective, it doesn't mean you can't win some games with him.

It doesn't mean that he doesn't do certain things that are really fun and, you know, relatively high level. But it's just amazing to me that the people that are, are so invested in him, watch that game Sunday and somehow thought that it was everybody else's fault and that he didn't contribute to any of it. He was terrible in the game.

He really was. But he was really good in the Carolina game, in the Tampa game, and in the Seattle game. He was okay against the Raiders. Not great. I mean, that's just... You can't give him credit

which he deserved for the most part for most of their victories and not absolve him of blame when they lose like they did on Sunday. You can't do that. That's ridiculous. I mean, you know, I mean, the quarterback is supposed to overcome. There may be difficult circumstances to overcome, but the really elite quarterbacks find a way for the most part to overcome. He was terrible on Sunday.

What grade would you have given him, or did you give him a grade? I give him a D. Yeah. I give him a D. He was terrible. But here's the thing. I mean, I mean, I'm not, you know, when I graduated from dismissing him to embracing him. I remember.

The embrace was a couple of weeks ago. He could be the guy, not he is the guy. Right. The embrace was he could be the guy. That's true. This is the guy. But there are people you do know that think he is the guy. Oh, I know.

And there's no reason why you can't think he's the guy and still open yourself to the possibility that if you have a chance to upgrade, you should do that. Aim higher. As far as the conversation about the future, you've got to aim higher people. Okay. Now, in the present, based on what you have, he's done a hell of a job. He's got limitations, but he's done a hell of a job.

He does certain things at a high level, but you've got to aim higher long term. This is not a guy that you're going to start 17 games a year for the next five years and win 12 games a year and be a Super Bowl contender. That should be the goal. But right now, compared to what they have, and by the way, compared to several other guys,

that are playing and starting around the league, he gives you a chance. You know, he... You know, you think about what you said, aim high, this football team, really, I mean, except for Sunny, Sammy Baugh,

Disman, Doug Williams briefly, has never achieved high. Rippet for one year. You mean at the quarterback position? Yeah. I mean, that's a concept that doesn't exist for this franchise. Well, I mean...

High-level quarterback play. I mean, you would spend... Over the course of many years. You'd spend 20 minutes on Sammy Baugh. I mentioned Baugh. Yeah. I mentioned Sonny. You're right.

But most franchises haven't had, you know, four Hall of Fame quarterbacks, three Hall of Fame. Washington's got two Hall of Fame quarterbacks? That's true That's true I mean how many franchises Seriously I'm just

I have to do the research Yeah I mean I mean in terms of The Patriots You'll only have one I mean he's not in it yet But that's the only one they'll have The bills only have one

The dolphins have two The Jets have one The Ravens don't have any The Browns The Browns have Tell me who their Hall of Fame quarterbacks are. Autogram? Right. I think that's it. Is Bernie Cozor a Hall of Famer? No, he's not a Hall of Famer. I don't think so. Cincinnati, Ken Anderson?

No, not a Hall of Famer. Maybe it should be, but it is. Pittsburgh, Bradshaw. And Bobby Lane. Okay. And Rothesburger will be. Yes. You know, the Colts have had obviously Unitas and Peyton, two different cities. Right. Jacksonville doesn't have it. You know, Kansas City, Len Dawson's a Hall of Famer, right? Yes, he is.

And Patrick Mahomes will be a Hall of Famer. Probably. I mean, you know. Okay, you made your point. Yeah, I mean, it's not that unusual, but it just seems, my, it just seems that, Packers have three.

Yeah, they do. Bart Star, Farvin, Rogers to be. Barb and Aaron. Right. Yeah. It just seems like an unachievable goal for this franchise. So, you know, I understand the idea of, well, let's go after what we can seem to get, and that will only make him better if we surround people around him.

I mean, he did not have a great amount of support on Sunday. No, he didn't, but there were people open. I mean, going back and watching... He shouldn't absolve him from blame, but he did not have a lot of support. And he didn't have a good game. Somebody said to me this morning, you know, okay, but wouldn't you say he's the best we've had since Kirk left? And I thought about it. And you know what?

I think some of the games he's played this year, it'd be hard to find games quarterbacked by Alex Smith, Dwayne Haskins. Colt McCoy, I'm talking about since, you know, starting in 2018. Alex had some good games. Alex had some good games, to be fair. Yes, he did. Yeah, he did. But, I mean, I get the point. The point is he's given them a chance to win.

And I think over these final four games, he'll probably give them a chance to win a couple of their remaining games. Right. Look, it's just like, and this is something that I'm very familiar with right now because I'm going through this process. You got a car. it's a good car. It gets you where you want to go. You like driving it and stuff like that. It functions the way you want it to,

but somebody gives you a chance to have a better one. What do you do? Yeah, do you want companionship or do you want a championship? Some caller called in and said, we're focused on companionship with Taylor Heineke. I'm looking for a championship. So I don't think The two things are mutually exclusive

You can think that Taylor Heineke Can be the guy And you can open the door to getting better Well if you think he's the guy Because you obviously aren't going to do better Okay But if you say he's the guy Because you can't do better

Well that's not being objective I mean, you're hopelessly devoted and you're not coming off of it, which is fine. I mean, the dude is a baller. He's a gamer. He's athletic. He makes plays. He's also got limitations. And we saw a lot of those on Sunday.

We saw a lot of those against Buffalo. We saw a lot of those against New Orleans. We saw a lot of those against Denver. We saw a lot of those, you know, at times, quite honestly, against the Raiders, even though they won the game. Here's the bottom line. He's one of those quarterbacks that if you're going to start him for 17 games, you better have a really good running game. You better have a really good supporting cast.

And then, and even then, you're talking about, you know, a team unless it's somehow dominant in some of those other areas that is going to be a borderline, you know, game over, game under 500 kind of a team. And that's where this team has been. Look, he's going to end up starting 16 and a half of the 17. games or playing in, you know, starting 16 and playing in a half of another game. And right now they're trending towards right around 500. And I know this supporting cast has been hit and miss because of injuries and everything else. And I know a lot of people want to blame Scott Turner. I think after watching more of the game from Sunday on the All-22,

I just wouldn't blame Scott Turner for a lot of anything. I'm going to get to something that I absolutely wish that Scott Turner would do more of here in a moment. But he's doing the best he can. And when they've been running the football and staying in good down and distance and keeping the score within reach, either up one or down one score, he's made a lot of plays this year. And he has been significantly influential in the outcome. But when they've been asked, when he's been asked to put it on his shoulders because

they fall behind, they can't run the ball, the other teams just wreaking havoc defensively. That's not what he's going to do well. And I don't think, you know, more of a sample size and more experience is going to make him a lot better than that. He's got some physical, you know, arm limitations and other things, accuracy limitations, et cetera. But whatever. You know what I want?

I want you to tell me, because we started on Heineke, I just want you to tell me what thought of the game Sunday. Okay, I thought it was a beatdown. An absolute beatdown. Like I, I, I just thought that, that it was not as close as it appeared, as the final score appeared to be. I never felt that Washington, even when they had closed the gap, was actually going to win the game. So. From a, and, you know, and like I tweeted during, during the game. I tweeted Micah Parsons had what we would call an imaginary

Chase Young kind of game. I know my son said, look at what Tom tweeted. Oh my God. That's the kind of game that we thought Chase Young was going to have. Well, he did have some of those games last year. Not this year. No, he did not have any of them this year. But he had that game in San Francisco last year. But anyway,

another another note that I got from somebody. I think this was a tweet from Brad. You were too hard on Rivera saying it was a tale of two halves. They outscored Dallas 20 to three in the second half. By definition, 24-0-0 and 20-3 is a tale of two halves. Look, this was not, as Tommy just said, and I agree with Tommy. This was not a tale of two-haves game. A tale of two halves means you got dominated in the first half and then you went out and dominated them in the second half. Washington didn't dominate Dallas in the second half. The score was 27 to 8 with six minutes to go in the game. But the teams had reserves in there. Dallas was playing it as if almost it was like a preseason

game. They were working on things. Rivera did kind of, I think, do a good job in his presser yesterday of, I think, clarifying what he meant by a tale of two halves. He said they really were flat and lacked energy in the first half and then they really were energized in the second half. Well, that's something that they're going to feel on the field. But there isn't anything that says that Washington came out, you know, and created a completely different feel to the second half than the first half. That's just not true. They got their ass kicked in this game, okay? You know, now, D'Andre Carter, if he catches that ball from Kyle Allen, you know, it's one of those crazy cowboy Washington games that when you least expected, I mean, but Prescott had to throw one of the worst balls.

and make one of the worst decisions to even make that possible. But there were a couple of things about the game that I went back and I just made a couple of notes on. Number one is this. Those that have said about Scott Turner, he's got to figure out a way to leverage Taylor Heineke's greatest strength, which is really his legs more than it is his right arm. And I agree with that.

I like Scott Turner. I think, going back to last year, I was praising Scott Turner when a lot of you thought, oh, well, he's proved he's not an offensive coordinator, and I didn't feel that way. And I think that his performance this year as a coordinator and play caller has been pretty good. I think Scott Turner's proving that, you know, even with all the injuries, like, he's scheming people open. You go back and watch the all 22 of this game. there are people open in this game, you know, and yeah, the pressure got to Heineke and the pass pro didn't hold up, but there were lots of times when the other email that I read from Mark

said there weren't four to five quarterbacks that would have had a, you know, there are only four to five quarterbacks in the game that would have had a better day. I don't believe that. I think that there were a lot of opportunities for different decisions that would have led to better result plays. But I do agree with those people who say, why doesn't he run more? I think they need to do a lot of the stuff that the Eagles do with Jalen Hertz, and we're going to see that Sunday.

I think his greatest strength is his athleticism. He's a terrific athlete. He's fast. He can slide. He's got great vision. I don't know why we don't run more read option. I know there have been some read option plays where he hasn't kept it. Ron all but told me that a couple of weeks ago about the Seattle game,

a couple of those plays where they get stopped in short yardage. He could have kept it. But just like for all of us in this fan base, because a lot of you watch this team much more than the rest of football, but going back to 2012, when you present the quarterback as part of the running game, as a potential runner, it's 11 on 11, not 10 on 11. That's what every coach will tell you. The benefit to having your quarterback in a read-option game or is a runner is you now have the quarterback with the ball in his hands and 10 blockers.

It's 11-on-11 football. When a quarterback goes and hands the ball off to the running back, it's the runner and nine blockers. It's 10-on-11 football. And, you know, Mike Shanahan was, I'll never forget what we were having a conversation. It was probably the 2013 season. And he said to me, he said, the biggest benefit of what we're doing here is it's 11 on 11. Most football is 10 on 11 when the quarterback hands the ball off in the running game. And I think why we've seen this kind of style of football hold up and not become the fad that many people predicted back in 2012 is because it's an advantage.

It's a significant advantage for the offense to have 10 people blocking and the quarterback running, playing 11 on 11 football. Heineke's greatest strength is his legs, his speed, his athleticism, his vision in the open field. I don't know why they don't do more of that. That would be the one thing that I think some of the Taylor Heineke sort of diehards have suggested that Turner isn't running them enough. I agree with that. I also think there should be more RPO in their offense. because I think it's easier. Anything you can do to make it easier for him when he is dropping back.

The great thing about presenting a quarterback as a run threat, it acts in their play action game as an even better protection scheme. Because the linebackers are in conflict. And all of a sudden you've got bigger windows and receivers that are more wide open. We saw that in 2012 with RG3. You see it every Sunday in a lot of football. You see it with Russell Wilson. You see it with Ryan Tannahill.

You see it with Jalen Hurts. You see it with all of these quarterbacks, Lamar Jackson. You see it with guys even like Baker Mayfield. You know, you're seeing it with Justin Fields. I think that that's the kind of quarterback he should be. And they haven't really made him that. I'm sorry? Why don't they think that?

I don't know. I think that they do have read option in the playbook. They do have some RPO. I don't think they do it enough. Maybe they would say, well, we had seven of the calls in the game, and he didn't keep it once, and he should have. Rivera essentially told me in the Seattle game, there were a couple of those short yardage plays that they got stopped on that he probably should have kept the ball because the Reed was the defensive end, and the defensive end had crashed down, and yet he didn't keep it. You know, he's so good, too, at sort of avoiding contact in the open field. He's really good.

He's really good at sliding. He was a baseball player. You know, I think that that would be the one thing. I wish were incorporated more. I think it would really help him. And I think it would add a new dimension to the offense. Well, you think at some point they would have pulled him aside on Sunday since he was under duress from that Dallas pass rush

and say, hey, you need to back these guys off some. You need to take off with the ball. He did on one or two occasions. Yeah. You're right. You need to do it more. Parsons isn't easy to outrun. No, you're right.

He's not. You know, like I was looking at something. I was looking at their opponent this Sunday. Philadelphia is the number one rush offense in the NFL. Jalen Hertz is their leading rusher. He's got 695 yards on 122 carries on the season. He's got eight touchdowns. he's got six runs of 20 or more yards.

He's got 50, 50 runs for first downs. Look, Hertz is, you can say whatever you want about him as a dropback. I agree. That's not where he's comfortable. And it's not really where Taylor Heineke's comfortable either. Taylor Heineke, by comparison, only has 55 rushes for 297 yards. he's only got two runs of 20 or more yards, and he's only rushed for 18 first downs.

And I know that they've got Antonio Gibson, but my God, the Eagles have Sanders and Scott and Jordan Howard. They've been running everybody. I just, that would be the one thing, like if I had a chance to sit down and talk to Scott Turner, specifically, why not more dual threat football? Doesn't have to be the whole game, but why not more, you know, we're lining him up in shotgun or pistol,

and we've got Gibson who's a downhill back, and we're going to run him, and we're going to keep them honest. By the way, it makes it easier for Gibson, just like it made it so much easier for Alfred Morris in 2012, just like it makes it so much easier for Philadelphia guys like Sanders and Scott and Howard right now. I mean, Philadelphia as a team with their key backs and quarterbacks, and quarterback are averaging 5.2 yards per carry. They are a dynamic running team. Yeah.

And by the way, just be as I mentioned it, John Allen, COVID-19, I did learn he's symptom-free. He is vaccinated for anybody that was wondering. You probably know that already. I'm sure that's been reported. I would assume that it has been. He's got to produce two negatives back-to-back within a 24-hour period. I'll tell you what, without John Allen Sunday, and I know he wasn't 100% this past game or last game.

But that's going to be a problem Sunday. You know, especially if a lot of the other defensive players are out. So the running Heineke Moore was one note I made. And the other one was this. Well, actually, a couple of others. I thought Duran Payne and Matt Ionitis were pretty damn good in the game. And I didn't mention that. I mentioned some defensive players like Curl and Fuller and even

Jackson, even though he had that penalty and Holcomb, but I thought pain and Ionitis were really good in the game. God, man, pain is one of those guys. I bet you they pull their hair out over Duran Payne. Because there are some games where it looks like he should be one of the best three or four guys at the position in the NFL. He's such a freakish athletic guy at times. and then there are other games where he kind of gets handled. I don't know why that is. I mean, we saw the best in the game last night, Aaron Donald. I mean, my God, he dominated that game.

The other thing was Antonio Gibson. I know that a lot of people are like, you can't play him. You cannot play him. He's got a fumbling problem. He's got more fumbles than any running back in the league, not quarterbacks, but of all the running backs, he's got more fumbles and more lost fumbles. He's got six and three lost, although a lot of the main statistical sites say that he's only got five fumbles total. But all of the stuff on TV said six.

But whatever. He fumbles too much. We understand that. You can't win two to three games, which it's going to require down the stretch without Antonio Gibson, in my opinion. He's just been way too significant to that four-game win streak in any game they've won this year. It's the way they have to play. They've got to try to be physical and run and be balanced, and they couldn't do that Sunday. Dallas stopped the run on the way to the quarterback.

But anybody that thinks that it's time to give Patterson or, you know, if McKissick's back, give him those carries, no. You're going to have to put up with the possibility that he might cough one up. You're going for a playoff berth, and he is one of your best five players on the team, regardless of despite the fumbling problem. You have John Allen, you've got Terry McLaren, you've got Antonio Gibson, and if you want to throw one of the offensive linemen in there, take your choice.

Leno, Sheriff, whatever. Who am I missing and who am I leaving out? Yeah, I mean, that's it right now. Like you can't. You have to have Gibson have. a major impact in these games. The lack of a Gibson running game Sunday, and give Dallas credit, they stopped the run on the way to the quarterback. But because of that, that's what really made the offense fall apart because Taylor's not a guy that you can just have sort of drop back

on third and long or second long. It's not really what he does well. But I, I, Gibson, by the way, and Heineke, in the situations this year where they've had some adversity off of big fumbles, like for Antonio, it would be the first half. We had the big fumble against the Chargers. But the fumble that he had against the Panthers in the first half, he came back best second half and best football of the year, 12 carries 78 yards in the second half as they took control and won the game.

You know, by the same token, Taylor Heineke, off of his worst game, which was probably the Buffalo game before Sunday, came back and had one of his most memorable games of the year, the game in Atlanta. So I think... He's responded in times he's been challenged. And so is Gibson. Yes. So you need, you can't, I don't think you can win without Gibson down the stretch here, without him playing well.

I mean, I think McKissett coming back is really important. and John Allen being available would be really important. And for those, by the way, the other observation real quickly, I don't want to lose this thought. Samuel was only in there for 14 snaps. I have no idea. But just so everybody knows, he didn't get touches, but he was open a couple of times.

So there were shots taking the shot to Terry McLaurin, the one that he got hurt on. Samuel's wide open, wide open, for a chain-moving pitch and catch. Also, by the way, Logan Thomas did have that torn ACL. Did you see that story from earlier this morning? Yes. I did see that.

I mean, look, the other thing is, I mean, for the most part, he didn't have McKissick and Logan Thomas when this team is right are two of the most important factors on offense. Agreed. I agree. And he really didn't have either. Yeah. And Ricky Seals Jones, who was back, dropped a ball.

Actually, I think he dropped the ball from Allen, though. But, yeah. And, you know, somebody made the point, you know, that throw to Terry McLaren, you're saying that Samuel was open, which he was. McLaurin should have caught it. Yeah, he kind of did. He concussed himself on the play on the way down. This is going to be big all week. I mean, who they have to practice, who they have available on Sunday.

Philadelphia coming off the bye week, you know, and Philadelphia is, you know, they're in the same, they're a five-point favorite. now. Okay, so those of you, again, that get caught up in this, well, they can beat Philadelphia, or they should beat Philadelphia. They can beat Philadelphia. They shouldn't. It's not a should-win game. None of these are for this team. But Philly's now a five-point favorite. And they're playing at home, and it'll be a real home game for them, unlike Washington's, you know, home game on Sunday. I mean, they packed that place, and they're Eagle fans there. Yep. This kind of ties into my column

on Monday for Tuesday for today's paper where I kind of had a little fun with Ron Rivera's whole David and Goliath story but the point being that the fairy tale, the fable part of the season is over It is. Okay? Why? It is. Well, because right now, they're playing teams that are either

that they're probably either as good as separate to cowboys when they play them again three to four games they've got left are against teams they're at least good as or better so there's no more underdog there's no more David and Goliath that's over the panther seahawks and raiders really weren't better

when they got to them but we didn't know I mean but yeah but the Seahawks the perception was they were actually they've played the raiders They've played really well since losing to us. It's like Russell Wilson's good. And the Raiders, yeah, I know. And the Raiders, the perception was that they were.

Okay. Now, you know, they got their head coach fired and all that. But there's no, you know, us against the world stuff anymore. That's done. You've got to be who's in front of you now. Okay? The teams you're playing are teams you can beat, except for maybe the Cowboys on the rematch.

And again, rematches in the NFCEs are very unpredictable. You know? So, I mean, there's the idea that, you know, that it's David throwing the stone and knocking Goliath out, that's over. They've done that. Now they've got to win. They've got to beat the town in front of them. I'm just sitting here staring at the schedule.

I think they can win any of the games they play, and I think they can lose any of the games they play. And that would include even the Giants. I mean, I just think that, boy, you said something, and it's so true. I mean, these division games and like the rematch in Dallas, I mean, I think one of the big takeaways for me from Sunday, maybe I didn't emphasize it as much yesterday, is how unimpressive Dallas was on offense.

I just didn't think they looked very good. They looked out of sync. No, they didn't. Prescott, I thought, was terrible in the game. I mean, I don't, I didn't look this up. I think I mentioned this on the pod yesterday, but Dak Prescott had a 9.9 QBR in the game. Taylor Heinekees was 4.9.

And Kyle Allen, in far fewer snaps, had a 5.8 QBR. I can't imagine that in any game this year, you've had a lower aggregate total of QBR numbers if three quarterbacks played or just take your two starters. I mean, I thought Dak Prescott looked terrible on Sunday. I thought he looked unsure of himself. I don't think he threw the ball well. I don't think he moved well. He definitely isn't himself physically still.

You could see that. He started to run on one occasion and he tripped and fell. Dallas is I mean it's funny there you go like here's an NFL season for you right early in the season well Dallas's defense sucks their offense is great

and they start off and it's like wow they are really good offensively DAC gets hurt comes back and you're like they might not even be that good as a team and now you're like wow that defense they got some playmakers on that defense offensively and maybe three weeks from now it'll be like oh that offense back in rhythm

and that defense is getting carved up. Who knows? I can tell you this, though, their defensive talent, Gregory, Parsons, Lawrence, Vanderech, Diggs is just a talent

and a playmaker. Those players are absolutely the reason, along with some of the others, that they're second in the league in takeaways. You know, that is every year, turnover margin and takeaways,

massive numbers in the league. Dallas has 27 takeaways second only to Indianapolis in the league. Their differential is fifth in the league at plus nine because they've had a bunch of turnovers on offense, but 27 takeaways this season. And it's not by accident. They have playmakers on defense.

Real playmakers. Yeah. No, you're right. Absolute playmakers on defense. I was not at the game Sunday. I was going to be at the game, but unforeseen circumstances came up, so I was not at the game. I hope everybody's okay. Everybody's fine.

I didn't experience firsthand the crowd, but I certainly got a taste of it on what was reported. Can we talk about this after we take a break? Because that was on my list of things to get to in the next segment. You know what? That's what we're going to do. want. Well, yeah, that's what we are going to do. Okay. So we will continue with the crowd. Don't ask me if you're going to do it. Just don't ask me. We'll continue with the crowd conversation right after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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I thought you were going to say ever. No, no, no. I mean, you know, the Steelers game is the historic. The Steelers' while Monday night game is the historic game or Sunday night game, whatever it was. but I mean there were reports on Twitter that the team got booed when they came out of the tunnel

Washington at the beginning of the game well I mean how is that how does that happen and I mean did anyone ask about that in the post game press conference somebody asked Ron Rivera

a question about what's a disappointing not to perform in front of you know when you had such a big crowd. And I'm thinking, what are you kidding? Most of the crowd was happy they didn't perform. Yeah. Yeah, 61,308 was the official paid,

which means that it was not a sellout. 67,017 is a sellout. So the expected sellout actually didn't sell out in terms of paid attendance. And look, I wasn't there either. I had several people reporting. and the range was anywhere from, I had one friend of mine saying, I think it was 50-50, but he was also sitting, he said, in the one area of the stadium that had the most burgundy and gold in it.

I heard that it was as high as 75, 25, maybe even 80-20. Through the TV, the two plays that if you want to know what it sounded like on TV if you were there, go back if you've got the television recording and listen to the crowd when landing Collins intercepts the ball versus when Randy Gregory knocked it up on the bubble screen and intercepted it. You would have absolutely thought that Washington was the road team and Dallas was the home team. But again, we knew this was going to happen. We've been talking about this. I was told back before the Kansas City game that the two games that had been sold were Tampa and Dallas. And at the time, Dallas was doing well. Washington hadn't even gotten close to the

four-game winning streak. So these tickets were snagged weeks and weeks ago by Dallas fans expecting their team to have a glorious season and they were going to try to go to as many road games. And there are a lot of Dallas fans in this market to begin with. It's not the first time it's happened. It won't be the last. And this was expected. And all season long, it's been, you know, 50-50 basically, even with teams you'd never expect to generate, you know, a road crowd. So it's just the way it is. I mean, I feel like we talk about this to the point where we have gotten so repetitive. Dan Snyder and Dan and Tanya now are responsible for the erosion of probably a majority of people that 15 years ago would have said they are Washington Redskin fans.

more than half the fan base is gone. It's gone. So, you know, it's going to take massive winning, sustained winning, some sort of star player, and some sort of, you know, did the Snyders go away, we don't hear from them, we don't want to hear from them, and that's it. I mean, remember, we got the big name news coming in a couple of months. Oh, I do want to mention, I do want to mention.

I do want to mention to everybody that I do think, and I'm going to suggest to you not to be annoyed by it, but I would not be surprised if the team at some point very soon has an announcement. They make an actual announcement about when they're going to announce the new name. And I hope it's not one of those making of the brand teaser annoying things. I don't think it should be. I've actually expressed that when asked, but apparently I think a lot of the marketing people say you've got to put a date out there at some point well in advance.

So you might be getting the date, the formal date of when the team's new name will be unveiled. I had a friend of mine say something the other day that made a lot of sense to me. It makes sense and it doesn't. He said they ought to do it on draft night when they bring up whoever their first round pick is and then they bring out the new helmet or they bring out the New Jersey and they announce the name. It would be an incredible, you know, sizzle to the draft. But I think they've got to get the announcement out earlier because they want a lot of time between the end of the season and next year to sell product, clearly.

They don't want to wait until April or May to do it. And then so another, that same friend of mine said, they ought to unveil it with John Allen at the Pro Bowl. Like let him wear the new helmet or whatever, the new logo, and let that be the announcement. Whatever. They're going to have an announcement at some point early in 22. If they do that, if they do that,

they might as well just announce it in the witness protection program. Well, I mean, it's lost its juice as it is. Yeah, I kind of, I certainly with older people, and I would put ourselves into that category. I don't really care that much about it. Yeah, it's lost. But, and you know the draft idea, if they could wait that long,

that would give it a big pop. Well, his point was... Nationally. Yeah, exactly. His point was they've got such a bad relationship with the league right now, and they, you know, not that the league needs any help in promoting the draft.

I mean, it does a fit. nominal, you know, audience. But it would just add another big pop to draft weekend. Yeah, I mean, the league would be against it because they want to draft and not one team to be a focus. You might be right. The league would not be happy. The Pro Bowl gets a decent number, believe it or not, but that could be added juice to the Pro Bowl because John Allen's going to be a Pro Bowler.

He might be the only one. Most people don't even know. I know that. I know it's a decent number. It's a decent number because in part we think nobody watches the game. It's the expectation going in. Yeah, but the point is, the point is. We don't know anybody who watches the game, but somebody's watching the game because it gets like a lot.

It's six, something like that. The point is that that would give you a reason to watch the game. And it would be a national thing too. What's Washington's a new name? What's the new logo? You know what? It's not our job to figure out how to clean up their mess. Well, the point is...

Even though we talk about their mess every week. Circling back to where this conversation started, it's that mess that they've created, which is why you end up with what you had on Sunday. Yes, and I don't think it's wrong to constantly discuss it, because I think if you ignore it, then people, I mean, people, you know, the few people that are left, fall into a lull that, hey, everything's okay, you know, it's no big deal. I think people need to be reminded as to how bad things are, even though things are horribly bad, and I can't imagine that anyone doesn't know that at this point.

I think some people need to be reminded. And there really isn't a better person to continue to remind people how bad things are than Tom Leverro. Follow him on Twitter at Tom Levero. No, I guess my point was it's not embarrassing anymore to me. Like I heard a lot of people say, God, it was so embarrassing. Really? What were you expecting? Like, I'm expecting that now every Sunday at home.

You know, it's funny because I haven't told you this, or maybe we talked about this on Thursday. I forget. I really did get into this a little bit leading into it. I was happy to see the attempt to revive this one-time great rivalry, something that really was, it has been a part of my fan DNA, the Dallas-Washington rivalry. The Skins Cowboys will forever have a special place for a lot of us. And so the fact that it's been so long,

or it's felt like it's been a long time, since it meant something and that there was a big game. It was kind of cool to see, not locally, nationally. It was a big story all week. Sunday, I never watched those pregame shows. I'm sitting there watching everybody's talking about the rivalry. There were a lot of quotes from cowboys and players during the week and coaches. Yeah, this is a division game.

This is a big rivalry game. We know what it's going to be like going in there. I mean, it certainly wasn't a road rivalry game. And then you had some of the, you know, some of the gamesmanship, the McCarthy thing, and then the bringing in of their own benches, et cetera. I liked that. I liked all of it until the game started and that it was a disaster. But I would love for that to come back.

But, you know, for that to come back, everything's got to come back. And, you know, we can sit here and it just isn't, it's not. embarrassing anymore. I was expecting that. You know, Scott, who just moved here a year ago, just over a year ago, and, you know, he's been kind of living vicariously over these many years living up in Connecticut working at ESPN through his friends, friends like me, and my boys in particular, with, you know, sort of the local teams and the local, you know, feelings on the teams. And, you know, like he got back and he was like, God, you know, I'm going to really get into the nationals. I'm really going to get into the skins.

I'm really going to get in because, you know, when you live away that long, you're a fan, but if your team ends up sucking like the skins have, you become a little bit more distant. And he could not believe at the beginning of this year. He's like, oh, my God, nobody's there. I'm like, I've been trying to tell you for many years now. It's, the television ratings for this will be horrendous. he is chased away more than half of us. It's not an exaggeration.

He's like, yeah, but it's the opener. They're playing. I'm like, it doesn't matter. They're not going. There are so many people that just don't care. And I think that Sunday, briefly, for a lot of those that have completely checked out, there was like this moment where it's like, yeah, this would be kind of cool if this thing mattered again. You know, this game in particular.

And, but, you know, but those tickets were bought up long before. And I don't want to hear about the cost of the tickets and the team price people out. They didn't price these tickets any higher than any other joint did for a big game. You know, should they have taken this opportunity for the, it looks like they didn't sell 6,000 tickets. To take those 6,000 tickets and really discount them at the last, you know, minute, okay, maybe they missed out on a chance to do that. But, you know, I was seeing tickets for $200, you know, not only in the upper level, but, you know, some in various other parts of the stadium. So that's what it costs now to go to a game, especially a game that matters.

If you really wanted to go to a game for dirt cheap, the last couple of years at the end of the year, you could have gotten in for like $4 on Stub. Yep. But my point, Tommy, big picture is I'm not embarrassed by this anymore. there was a time where I'm like, oh my God, the, you know, like they're showing the highlights and nobody's there or everybody's in green. You know, like remember the game against the Eagles

a couple of years ago were literally the entire 35,000 that were there. It was all green. That was the night, by the way, that Bruce and Dan went their separate ways, remember? One went out one way and one went out the other underneath the stadium. But I'm just not, I'm not embarrassed by it anymore.

I mean, I expected that on Sunday. Now, I'll tell you what will be embarrassing. If they've got a game on January 2nd at home, it's not going to be embarrassing. I just said nothing's going to embarrass me anymore. But on January 2nd at home, a Sunday after a holiday, okay, holiday weekend, and they've got a game against the Eagles with the winner basically clinching or coming near clinching a wild card berth. and you end up with all Philadelphia fans in the stadium for that one,

or majority Philadelphia fans for that one. Because this one... Why would that surprise you? Well... Especially if the Eagles went on Sunday in Philly. It's not going to surprise me. It's not going to surprise me. It's not going to embarrass me.

I'll stick with my original thing. The only thing is that I do know about this game that they haven't sold many tickets, period, for this game. So if there really was demand, Washington demand, for the game on Sunday, but they couldn't get the tickets because the cowboy fans had all the tickets because they had purchased them much earlier, there is an opportunity to go to the Philadelphia game. And I will tell you, you know, there's a better chance than not that that game's going to mean something.

It may mean that they have to win to have a chance to stay in it in the final week of the season, but there's a chance that that, a better chance than not that that game will have some meaning to it. Yeah, absolutely. And you said something earlier, I think I'd mention this, but you said, you know, the cowboy game on the road, most people think that they won't win that one.

I don't know that there's any game that, I don't know what's going to happen the rest of the way. They might lose out, they might win out. I mean, these teams aren't, the Cowboys aren't overly impressive offensively. The Eagles have issues. if they're forced to throw the football. Washington's got issues.

So my point being in the column that if they, if they, right now in front of them, it's not David versus Goliath anymore. Right. They're on a level playing field for the most part. The David versus Goliath game was the Tampa game. That's when he used it, right? Yeah. Yes, it was.

Yeah, and it was. and that was true. It was David versus Goliath. I joked in my column on Sunday. They didn't get David. They got Pinkus. David's brother that they don't talk about. That's who David's brother is?

Yeah, who couldn't hit the side of a barn with a stone if he was standing 10 feet away from him. So last night, the Rams won over the Cardinals. and Aaron Donald, like, we've, the last, well, there have been two games this past weekend, which were just basically taken over by defensive players. You know, the Dallas defensive takeover of the game on Sunday and Aaron Donald last night. Good God, is he, he's just spectacular to watch. He's like, he's truly one of the only players in recent memory that you,

You cannot block with one person, and you can barely even block with two. He had three sacks in the game. He had a deflection that turned into an interception. He just was dominant. I love watching Aaron Donald play. And they're talking about Micah Parsons. He's a lock to win the defensive rookie of the year. And there's this discussion about him potentially being the defensive player of the year,

which is what LT was as a rookie. so it would be the first time. But man, when you watch Aaron Donald play dominant. But the game was, I think, for a lot of people, a chance to watch Arizona kind of start to finish in a big spot against the Rams, you know, in a game where they would, you know, really solidify their hold on the number one seed

in the only buy in the NFC playoffs. Arizona lost the game, but in some ways I came away a little bit more respectful of them as a contender. James Conner's such a good back. I'm glad he is. Remember he had cancer coming out of pit and going to the Steelers. What a weapon they have found in Connor as a pass catcher out of the backfield. They've got a lot of weapons.

I still think Kyler Murray looks so tiny when he's pressured. But I do think Arizona's good enough if they get the one seed to win two home games. And I didn't know that I felt that way before last night. And it's ironic that I would say that after they lost. I don't really feel great about the Rams, even though they won the game. There's still something that's a little bit off with them, I think. Stafford had maybe, they're saying it was Stafford's best game of the year in the biggest spot.

It's the first winning team they've beaten since week three. But I'm still more of a believer out of that division in Arizona. Well, I'm now more of a believer in Arizona, which is contrary to what you would think I would think after the game last night. With that said, Green Bay and Tampa now, to me, are clear-cut favorites in the NFC. One of them will probably end up getting the one seed, and one of those two teams is going to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. When in doubt the quarterbacks, Brady and Rogers.

We've got a real possibility that Brady versus Belichick in the Super Bowl. Yeah, because the AFC is a moment. more wide open, even though a lot of people think, no, Kansas City's rolling, but it's weird because Kansas City has rolled recently, but offensively they've only looked good against the Raiders. They haven't looked like the Chiefs against their other teams, the other teams they've beaten, even though they've won those games. God, this Thursday night game in L.A. against the Chargers is a huge game in the NFL

season, and we'll really go a long way, perhaps, towards determining who out of the AFC goes to the Super Bowl. I did want to mention... One thing about the Rams, and I just read this, Cooper Cup has 113 catches for like 1,500 yards. Yeah.

They have four games left. I know. He's going to break... He could have 2,000 yards receiving. Yeah, he's going to break records. He's going to break Callow Johnson's records. My producer, Brendan, looked this up the other day, so I don't have it in front of me.

but Cooper Cup, the record Johnson's yardage record through the 12 games that Cup had played going into last night. He had 1420-something yards and Cup had 1,300-something yards. But it was very close. There was like a 50-yard difference roughly. So Cup, you know, in a 16-game schedule, was on pace to kind of match him, maybe fall a little bit short yardage. But with the 17th game,

he's going to set the NFL yardage mark more likely than not. Yeah. He's really good. Really good. Washington, I'm the playoff scenario, guys, so I promise to keep you updated. I think it's really simple because of their conference record, Washington right now has a five and three NFC record.

That becomes very critical in multi-team tiebreakers or in tiebreakers where there isn't a head-to-head. So if Washington gets to nine wins, they're going to have a major advantage over everybody except New Orleans in a two-team head-to-head. So against New Orleans and a two-team head-to-head, they lost to the Saints. So if the Saints got to 9 and 8, which I think is going to be really hard, I don't think the Saints are very good. And they play the Buccaneers this week. They play the dolphins who are surging. So I don't know and feel comfortable that the Saints are going to get to 9 and 8.

But I would bet you any amount of money that 9 and 8 is a lock for Washington to make the postseason. They win every tiebreaker except the head-to-head with New Orleans. They win all of the multi-team tiebreakers. The only tiebreaker that they could fail on other than the head-to-head is if it comes down to Philadelphia and Washington tied and Philly's got a better division record. And right now that isn't the case. Phillies 0 in two in the division. Washington's one in one. Remember, they beat the Giants before losing to the Cowboys.

But if Washington gets to nine wins, meaning winning three of their final four, They're in. They're going to be in the postseason. If they win two of their final four and they finish eight and nine, there's a chance. It's not like a massively remote chance either. I'd put it at like 25%. Like a one and four chance they could make it. You know, because if they're a bunch of eight and nine teams tied, they're going to still have the tiebreaker advantages over almost all of those eight and nine teams. The issue is, does somebody out of the six and sevens right now win three out of their final four get to nine, and then Washington's not in a tiebreaker? But those teams have rough schedules too. You know, Phillies got to play Washington twice. They got to play Dallas. They've got to play the Giants.

Minnesota, who is a six and seven team, has the bears twice, but the bears have been tough on them. They have to play the Rams and the Packers. So Minnesota's got a really tough road. New Orleans, I already told you, I don't think they're going to go. go nine and eight more likely than not. Who's the other team? Atlanta. Atlanta's an interesting team. I actually think Atlanta's pretty good. Atlanta plays the 49ers this week, but then they've got the Lions, Bills, and Saints. Now, the Bills will be playing for their playoff lives. But can Atlanta win two of

their final four? I think definitely the issue is can they win three? I actually like their team. I think they're capable. But Washington wins three. You can book it. They're in the postseason as the seven seed in the NFC. And then they would play. You're probably right. And then they'll play the two seed, which will more likely than not be, I think, Green Bay or Tampa, whomever doesn't get the one seed. That would be my guess on that. And then if they only win two of their final four, they're not out. They'd have a chance, but nine's a lock. All right, we've got Tommy's in the market for something new,

and I wanted to also talk about Bradley Beale and the Wizards. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. The Wizards got beat last night badly in Denver. Final score, not reflective of how badly they got beat. Tom, they've been beaten pretty badly now in like five out of their last six games. And last night, you know, I know you don't watch a lot of NBA, especially in the regular season.

But to watch Denver and to watch Yokic play and to watch him as a passer as a big man, you and I both agree, right, that Walton's the best passing big man we've ever watched? Yes. Yokic is damn close. He's really... spectacular. He's really good.

As a passer. Yes, he is. They have another player. This dude was on their team last year. This guy, Campazo. He, not the Compazo from saving Private Ryan, but the Composso that plays for the Nuggets. He's Argentinian. He had some passes

last night in the game that were ridiculous. They're fun to watch. They're well-coached, but the Wizards are bad right now. They're getting blown out almost every night on the regular. The one game they did win was against the worst team in the NBA, and they barely beat them. And I don't know what the issue with Beal is, but I'm just going to tell you this here on December 14th. I think that he is playing his last month and a half for two months in Washington.

I think he's going to get – I think he's going to get traded before the trade deadline. That's really surprising. You may be right. He's playing terrible. It's not because he's playing well. It's not because he's not playing well. I don't think he's ready to do something else. I could be wrong. And on one level, I hope I am wrong. On another level, I think it'd be really intriguing to see what Tommy Shepard could do.

Because he's really done a pretty damn good job the last couple of years. Yes, he has. Tommy does not want to trade Bradley Beal, though. Right. I know. He doesn't want to do that. And like I said, I'm wondering, how much the voice at home is in Bradley Beal's ear, particularly after Westbrook told him, you need to get out of town, is influencing Mr. Beal, who I don't think is a particularly type A personality from afar. It's so funny because when you said that last week, I know that you're right, or I have this sense from afar that you're right about it.

I'm not sure how many people know that because, you know, watching Beal, first of all, he is pretty demonstrative on the court. He complains all the time about calls. God, I wish that somebody would get with him and just say, Bradley, stop bitching after every shot you miss and you don't get a call. But, you know, he's averaging right now a career low on three-point shooting, a career low or close to a career low, on just field goal percentage, or certainly in the last five, six years. He's got a career high in turnovers per game. He's not getting up nearly the same number of shots on average as he has the last couple of years when he averaged over 30 a game. It's a different team.

I understand that. You know, I had Chris Miller on the radio show last week, and he talked about how, you know, Bradley's been a little bit frustrated and, you know, does he defer? Does he take over a game? You know, there are new players. Like, I don't think it's going as smoothly. as we would have hoped when they got off to the 10 and 3 start. And I will just tell you what I told you early in the year

when everybody was raving about their defense, that I was impressed with how they were trying on defense, but I wasn't yet convinced that they were like a great defensive team or what were going to be. And they're not. You know, they're better than they've been, and they've got a head coach where it matters. But, man, they don't move well sometimes.

sometimes they don't close out well. Denver's good. I mean, Denver's a decent team. And this is rough right now for the Wizards because they're in the midst now of this road trip. And I think they're going to come back as a sub-500 team. They got Sacramento, Phoenix, Utah, Brooklyn, and New York, you know, after last night.

And they are two games over 500. So there's a chance they're going to come back as a sub-500 team. And it's unfortunate because I, love the start to the season. I love the enthusiasm. God, that arena was, that, that was a home for advantage, you know, for them. But I think big changes are coming towards the trade deadline with Beale. That's my guess. And it'll put a lot of, a lot of interest into how Tommy Shepard handles it. All right, what else? You had something else. You're in the market for something. What are you in the market for? Well, we're looking to buy a car. Actually, we've been a one car family.

Probably since right when COVID started. Really? Yeah. And it's worked out fine because, you know, I really haven't needed a car for much of anything. You know, I mean, most of my work happens right here at home. You know, so I really didn't. And we figured out a schedule. It worked out okay.

But now, you know, at least the perception, and that could be wrong, that we'll be both more involved in doing stuff that, you know, we need a second car. So we're looking for an SUV hybrid, and we have a hybrid with the Prius, and we love it. It's been great for us, and the gas consumption has been terrific. So we're looking for an SUV hybrid. There's not that much out there in that country. category. And plus, it's not a great time because new cars are hard to come by, which is driving up the price of used cars. Right. Supply chain. Yeah, but we're still going to probably go

ahead and do it, but I got into a little bit of argument with my wife as to, I mean, she meticulously researches every car. And, you know, Consumer Reports is her Bible. Right. And I maintain that most people don't look at consumer reports when they want to buy a car. They just go to see a car. When they see one they like, they buy it. What do you think? Well, I do know a lot of people that think consumer reports is the Bible when it comes to cars. But I'm what you described.

But then again, I've had the same kind of car now seven times. basically. I'm on my seventh of the same vehicle over, you know, whatever it's been, 25 years or whatever. But, uh, look, I think that people like your wife,

um, that I wish I had more of that in me to do a lot of the research. I, but I'm, I'm much more of an impulsive purchaser. And especially, unless it's something really, really big,

I mean, car is a big thing. Don't get me wrong. I mean, I'm not going to impulsively buy a house, although I know a lot of people that do that too. But I'm not a car guy to begin with. You know that about me. So I'm not going to sit there and research. I just want a car that runs that I like that I feel good in, especially as it relates to my back, because there were several years there where I was in a vehicle that was not healthy for my lower back.

And I've been in a vehicle now in an actual SUV that has really worked, and I'm probably never going to own anything else but what I have, which is an X-5 BMW. Okay. Well, I mean, what I did was, and this is something that obviously you're very familiar with, is I just blankly shot off my mouth and said, nobody does that. You know, I said to it, nobody looks at consumer reports. And she has since started to embark on her own personal poll and sending me email. Well, I sent you all the emails after the show the other day with all those polls.

Did you get them? You never responded. No, no, no, no, no. That's nothing to do with that. I know that. But it's the same thing because you just automatically think you're right and nobody can prove you wrong. But the conversation we had the other day, which I'm now even forgetting, I ended up sending you a bunch of polls. you never responded. So anyway, so she sent you a bunch of polls about what, people who use consumer reports?

Well, no, she's taking her, she's taking her own poll. Oh, she's taking her own poll. And so how's, so what's, how's it gone so far? Oh, I'm getting my, I'm getting my head handed to me. Well, you can tell her that you pulled, you pulled the podcast, and it was overwhelmingly they don't use consumer reports. Okay. And let me point out. Why don't you do a Twitter poll? Fair. You know what? That's a good idea. I mean, I should. But because I'm afraid of finding out the results to be honest with you.

Yeah, I know. You know, I'm afraid of finding out those results. Now, to be fair, most of the responses, or she got it from her family, and she comes from a family that would exactly do consumer report research before buying a car. Right. You know? So it's kind of, it's kind of skewed. And the way she asked it, I mean, in her question, she said, Tom says no one would ever look at it.

Well, that's the way you say it. She's right. She's right. That's the way you always do it. No one does it that way. Okay. Right. You could, though. No, no. What? Go ahead. Well, I mean, because, I mean, the Twitter polls that we're able to do generate more than, you know, probably a lot of these polls have as a normal, you know, a sample. I know. So you could do a poll, you'll get a thousand plus responses

in your Twitter poll, and then you'll be able to share it with your wife. How would you... Yeah, but I'll be proven, I'll be proven wrong. I know that now. Yeah, you should drop the subject altogether. Actually, I don't... I would bet you that if you ask the question,

how many people use consumer reports, how many people reference consumer reports before they buy a vehicle? Or use, you know, consumer reports. I think it's probably 50-50. It might be. It might be.

Here's a better Twitter poll before we wrap up. What do you prefer? A salt shaker or a salt grinder? A salt shaker. Well, I love pepper grinders. This has become a pet peeve of mine. And when we go in a restaurant...

I don't care. And I want to use salt. Well, because how can you... You can't tell half the time if the salt is coming out of the grinder. When you grind it, when you turn it, you can't tell. Yes. First of all, you can't tell?

Yeah, I don't know. And what was wrong? What was wrong with a salt shaker? Well, look, with salt, sometimes you can't tell. That's why people will take it and, you know, will they take it and throw it over their left shoulder right for good luck or whatever? I don't, can I tell you something? you don't eat sweets and I don't eat salt.

I don't put salt on anything. Tommy doesn't eat anything with sugar in it, which is amazing, and I don't put salt on anything. I put pepper on everything. I don't use pepper. I don't use pepper. But it's a sad state of affairs when you can't find a salt shaker in a restaurant anymore and you've got to use a grinder and you've got to use a grinder.

and you got to say to your wife, is the salt coming out of here? I can't really tell. I hope she lies to you and says, yeah, it is when it isn't. It probably does. But my wife puts salt on everything. I don't put salt on anything. And what drives me nuts more than anything is salt on salads. She, and she does it.

Oh, I don't do that. Just to get me, she puts salt into different salads. I can't stand that. There's one thing I put salt on, actually. One thing. Egg salad sandwiches. I'll put salt on egg salad. That's it.

But I don't need it. But I think it's just something that I always grew up with that when there was egg salad, I put salt on it. I don't like salt. What else are we doing here? That's it. I got nothing else for you, boss. Okay. I've spilled my guts to you today.

You did. I mean, I think the poll, I think you're probably right. Look, why take a chance when you right now are as right as you might ever be? Yes, absolutely. And you, God, no one hates to admit they're wrong more than you do. But the Twitter poll would be the way. I used Twitter in a poll for something where my wife and I had an argument. I want to say it was in the last six months.

and I can't remember what it was. Did you win? I think I did. Oh, it was for Thanksgiving. I told you about this, didn't I? My wife has contended for years that most people eat Thanksgiving when we eat Thanksgiving, which is we eat late at like 637 o'clock. And we've always hosted and she'll say, you know, come over around five, dinner at seven, that kind of thing.

and I said, we eat way too late. I want to eat earlier. Let's get this thing done earlier. Look, I would say three to four o'clock is the typical time. Most people eat earlier. And she's like, no, they don't. And I said, yes, they do. And then this was like several years ago, and I pulled up some information.

And then here it is, I just pulled up my Twitter poll from November 24th. What time do you eat your Thanksgiving meal? I had four options, 12 to 2, 2, 2 to 4, 4 to 6, and after 6. by the way, somebody did send me something. And if you're listening, I did catch it. And you are right and I did think about it. But he said, you're not a polar, are you? Because you don't go 12 to 2 and then 2 to 4.

Because you've got two times that are the same in both answers, which is 2 o'clock. You know, and he's right. Like it should have been like 12 to 159, 2 to 3.59, something like that. But whatever. 2 to 4 was the number one answer at 46.2%. 2 to 4 Thanksgiving dinner. Yeah, that's when we eat. 4 to 6 p.m. 34.5%.

12 to 2, early in the afternoon, more of a supper, I guess you would call it, 14.7%. And my wife was dead wrong. After 6 p.m. 4.6%. Nearly 2,000 votes. So I did show it to her, and she's like, I don't, you know, I'm still not buying it. I'm like, Kara, 2,000 votes, okay? You're wrong. Most people eat Thanksgiving much earlier than we do.

It doesn't mean we have to follow the crowd, but I think I would just prefer earlier because I don't want people to be at the house really late. And that's what always happens every year is people end up leaving. They're not leaving until 10 o'clock. And you want them out. I want them out. I'm flicking the lights on and off trying to give some hints. It's time to go.

All right. I'm done. You should have put a bet on it. You should have bet on next year's Thanksgiving dinner. What time it starts? Well, we did end up doing it earlier this year. We sort of split, we split the difference, and we did, I think we did five o'clock. It was like five or five 30 that we ended up eating.

So that was much better. And then we were done, and we caught the end of the. Cowboys Raiders game. God, Thanksgiving seems like a long time ago now, doesn't it? It's December 14th already. You know, the football season at the beginning of it, we always kind of say, this is really the sprint of all professional sports seasons, you know, and it really does fly by. As great as it is, it flies by. Now, the cool thing about this year with the 17 game schedule is we still have basically a month. four more weekends of regular season football before we even get to the postseason. But it really does seem to fly by.

Like Labor Day to New Year's Day seems to fly by. It's the best time of the year, I think. Okay. Anything else? You'll have your Eagles, Washington pick on Thursday. And maybe you can update us on the car search and the consumer reports, you know, internal polling data. I'm going to try to forget about the polling. We're done for the day back tomorrow.