The Kevin Sheehan Show - Team Terry Or Team Front Office?

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Kevin and Thom went offered up a buffet of topic choices on today's show. They opened with Thom stating that the Trump/Redskins/RFK thing could possibly "engulf the entire franchise". Plenty on the breaking news of the day reported by NBC-4 that the DC City Council has reached a revised agreement with Commanders on the RFK deal which will lead to a Council vote as soon as next week. The boys discussed Terry McLaurin in two different ways. First, whose side are you on...are you Team Terry or Team Front Office? Secondly, what would the team look like without him. They reacted to Stephen A. Smith's suggestion that Baltimore and Washington share a football stadium. Additionally, Kevin talked about the Netflix show "Mindhunter" and the guys responded to Maryland Football Coach Mike Locksley's comments about why he "lost the locker room" last season. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Window Nation, 86690 Nation, Window Nation.com if you need new windows. I was just telling Tommy before we started to record, man, the name and anything having to do with the name, at least in my world generates a lot of email and a lot of social media interaction. But I did pick this one off the top of the list. This comes from Martin, and this is a bit of a change of pace on the name. Martin writes Tommy, Kevin, I'm like you.

Grew up a huge Redskins fan, went to games with my dad and brothers at RFK, lifelong die hard. But I have to admit, I'm now name agnostic. I'm the only one in my family and among my friends that feels this way, but the game changer for me was Jaden Daniels. The winning season was great, but Jaden Daniels has made me lukewarm about the name.

I enjoy watching him more than caring about Red So. Skins coming back. Until last year, I never thought I would feel the same way about the team unless it went back to Redskins. I was wrong. But don't get me wrong. I want the old name back and I hate commanders, but watching our city's team reped by the greatest rookie quarterback of all time pulled me back in.

Martin, congratulations. I'm glad you feel that way. And Martin, you are probably the ideal Washington commanders fan for Josh Harrison Company. You're the guy that they wish every fan was like. Right. Look, this is someone that I totally am fine with. Like, he feels differently, but he's felt it. He knows.

this way. He's been surrounded by this. He didn't feel this way until recently. I think the most interesting part of that is, because I read it a couple of times just to make sure that I got it, is that he says the winning was great, but it's Jaden that made him lukewarm about the name. And I thought about the winning season last year. What if somehow they had, um, You know, they drafted Jaden, but he wasn't ready yet. And Marcus Marietta led a 12-and-5 season with two playoff wins. Would it have been received the same way? Would the excitement have been, you know, the same?

No. No. Think back to Mark Brunel when they were good. The one year he was good and that they made the playoffs. No, I think a lot of people would think that with Marcus Marriota, it was like maybe a one and done or maybe a brief interlude over an up and down career. I don't think the promise of a new day would be there. I tend to agree with you, but I don't know that it's the way I would feel.

You know, I never cared about who was on the field. winning games. I cared about the team. I cared about, you know, the team winning. I didn't care who the quarterback was. Look, I had favored players along the way, no doubt. To your point, by the way, no way was the Mark Brunel playoff season or the Kirk Cousins playoff season here, anywhere near what the RG3 playoff season was in terms of excitement. And so it does make a big difference for many people, having that star player, in this case, you know, even better as star quarterback. Not just a star player, but a future. Yeah, right.

You know, a bright future as opposed to a brief moment of pleasure. I think, you know, it's like I have a lot of people in my life that are like Martin. like me grew up with this. It was an unbelievable part of our lives. And, you know, the significant majority feel the way I feel or even more distanced from the team. I mean, I do have people in my life who have, they checked out years ago and they have not checked back in. You know, last year didn't necessarily matter.

and the name is a major driving force in terms of keeping them from coming back. But it's people like Martin that I totally respect. Like he's lived it, he's felt it, and this is the way he feels now. You know, I would never, you know, lecture somebody like Martin, like I get lectured by certain people who think that it's a waste of time to be impacted by the loss of the name. and the uniforms and, et cetera. Like Martin's family. Martin's part of the whole thing.

And he's not the only one. We saw that last year. There were plenty of people that came back and really embraced the team. But I also think, you know, what he says about the city's team repped by the greatest rookie quarterback of all time. There were moments last year, and I talked about this, you know, after the Tampa win in particular, after the Detroit win for sure in the postseason, where I felt like it was just nice and I could feel it like Washington,

like our football franchise was relevant again. After all of those years of basically being irrelevant, I didn't like it as much as I would have if it said Washington Redskins, 45 Detroit Lions 31. But I did feel the pride of my team and my city being repped that way. And Jaden obviously was a big part of it. And, you know, for me too last year, because I was all in on Jaden, you know, there was the rooting to be right part of it as well.

But yeah, good for you, Martin. I like if I ended up feeling that way I would be honest about it if I ended up you know going back to the way I used to feel about the team you know if it kept commanders um I would and all the sudden I felt differently I would I would share that with you I don't I'm last year was fun last year was good for for for what I do last year was you know at moments it felt really nice because because it was so different, but it's still not the same passion that I would have had, you know, pre-2020 or not even pre-2020, pre-2015 or 2010, you know, before we knew that Snyder was horrible and we would never win. But anyway, I thought that that was interesting and that was one of the first five or six team name emails. I read because there are a lot of them. But you are right. You are right. And people who didn't understand this, they underestimated the passion of this story. You may think these people are nuts, but that doesn't chase the impact of the story. It's the biggest thing right now among this fan base.

And you covered its team, which includes the fan base. It's a huge story. I talked about this the other day because I you know the Trump stuff which you haven't weighed in on because you didn't do a show with me yesterday. I did. I wait in on some of it. I'm not. No way, that's right. I did not.

That's right. I didn't. Yeah. Okay. But there was, you know, I picked out of, you know, a group of several emails. This guy, and I'm looking for this guy, KP. Um, this, this, this is not, you know, uh, this is not unusual on days like Monday, you know, after the name became the focal point once again. And K.P. wrote, you know, I, I talked about this

on Monday show, but you haven't heard it. He wrote, oh, Jesus, I can only imagine what tomorrow will bring. I don't know if I can take three hours of you on the name again. You are such a loser on this topic. You're going to do a whole show on the stupid name that nobody cares about anymore after last season, and you're going to do it on the eve of training camp. And then he, you know, then he lectured me with a very stern warning. Let me warn you. Names and uniforms are loser topics for you. Talk about Von Miller, Terry McClorn, Joe Whit Jr.'s Big upcoming second season. Anything about the name is tune out content. I'm sure you'll kill me on this, but you know I'm right.

Of course I killed him on this. Because he's not right. And I could care less about the name. Right. And that's not right. Oh, my God. It's like it's embarrassingly wrong. Like you know.

And I said on Monday show in answering this, I said like you don't understand how wrong you are. A day like Monday, and I was off of radio, the phone lines are lit when you walk in and they stay lit the entire three hours or four hours or however long your show is. It's the easiest layup of shows that you have other than the day after a game. This is just so embarrassingly off and terrible advice to not talk about the name on Monday. It's the only thing anybody should have been talking about on Monday. And yeah, a program director for DC radio or podcasting, KP would not be very good at. But, you know, beyond that, like I've said many times, it's kind of a lecturing tone.

I just, and the thing that really, I think, irks me more than anything else is this idea that if you care about the name, if you're talking about the name, that somehow you also can't talk about Jaden Daniels or training camp or Joe Witts defense or Von Miller. Like, I can do more than one thing at a time. I've been doing it for the last five years. Sometimes you could do more than one thing at a time. And you see that all the time. That's the most social media when it comes to the name is so divisive with fans. and I think the number one thing that you hear is why would you ever care about this when they went 12 and 5

or now that we've got a Terry McCorn contract to talk about? Well, I don't know. I guess it's because I can. I can care about all those things at the same time and talk about them because you know what? We can do as much as we want on this podcast. We can cover everything. Anyway This is a very, very unique story

Not like any other in sports Okay I mean Terry McCorme contract holdouts happen all the time Yeah This is this is a this is a A remarkably unique story That involves the president of the United States Are you insane?

This is this is a story That goes beyond the sports pages And you don't think you should cover it Talk about it. Yeah. Idiot. I wrote about it at the beginning of the week, and actually you retweeted my column without me even prompting. I did.

I did? Yes, you did. I think I do that more than you know. Okay, well. And then I wrote about it again today for tomorrow. Uh-huh. With the opening a training camp. Right.

You know, saying that, you know, that Adam Peters, when Adam Peters gave his answer to the question, to the question, and the only question that came up yesterday, I would have asked more than one about the whole name thing and the stadium. Right. And Adam Peters gave an answer. That was reasonable, but it rang eerily similar to the Ron Rivera answers from the congressional hearing days. You know, it was like, we have no control over that.

We're just concentrating on what's happening on the field. Right. And that's the right answer. Yes. But I think that he's going to have to learn that verbatim because this isn't going to go away and there's going to be more questions. And I think this has the potential. I could be wrong.

This has the potential to engulf the entire franchise. You know, when you say things like that, there was a time many, many years ago, where I would roll my eyes and ignore you. But you have been right a lot of times when you've been very emphatic about something that maybe a lot of other people don't believe. You know, I think your greatest win, and you've had several wins and a lot of losses over the years as well. But your greatest win was when you said, there's not going to be an NCAA tournament.

What are you talking about in 2020? 20. I'm like, you know, Big Ten tournament this weekend. And I think they can be a, Maryland can be a two or a three seed. And you just said, and this was like early in the week before the whole world shut down. It was probably, you know, on a Tuesday and the whole world shut down on like a Thursday with the Rudy Gobert thing. You just, you said, what are you talking about? There's not going to be an NCAA tournament. And I said, what are you talking about? Of course there's going to be an NCAA tournament. And you're like, no, there is. You're like, no, there is. isn't. Everything's going to be shut down by the time we get to the NCAA tournament. That was one of your bigger wins, even though all of the other conversations about COVID and the vaccine were big losses for you. But we're not going to go into that. That was an all-time win. So when you just said, you just said this story has the potential to engulf the whole franchise. What do you mean? Well, in other words, it really depends on the president.

If he chops down on this and thinks that he can carry this a long way, I mean, you're dealing with a lot of conflict here. People are assuming that, you know, because Josh Harris is quiet and has said anything, that he's happy about this. I don't necessarily, look, I know he grew up rooting for the Redskins. I know probably a long time maybe when he bought the team he just as soon have been buying the Redskins

instead of the commanders but now I don't think he's happy about I don't think the NFL is particularly happy about the idea of a president buoying one of their owners to change the name with the team

you know so I think it sets up a war with the NFL possibly I just think that if he's if he's going because he wants no matter what happens with the stadium he has said i don't you know he has not said well if the stadium gets approved i'll drop it he hasn't said anything like that so if the stadium he hasn't said anything since sunday period i think i think i think i think levit said something um she did uh but that's been it unless i've missed something look

We all understand, forget political persuasion here. We're all observers of him. Just as quickly as that thought came into his head and he tweeted it out on truth social, it could have vanished. Now, I don't think it vanished because he has spoken to it and about it before. But I want to cut to the chase here with you because I do not know what you think. I said the other day, number one, I couldn't. care less who brought me my name back, my team's name back. I hope it happens and I would cheer it on. With that said, I have not changed my mind at all. I don't think it's ever coming back.

I just, I think it's over. I hope this is one in which I am the absolute worst wrong I've ever been in my life because I would love it to come back. But I don't think it is. So where are you after Sunday? I don't think it is either, but I mean, I don't know if we can underestimate how determined he can be sometime once he gets an issue. Look, and this isn't what I wrote about in the column tomorrow, too. When Trump went to war with the NFL in his first term over the national anthem, that was a winning issue for him.

Right. Okay. That won for him. did very well with that. Colin Kaepard. This is not that. This is not that. Okay, because I got to tell you, you know, this is going to be crushing to a lot of

Washington football fans, but outside of your area, nobody cares that you like this name. Most of the country who aren't familiar with the issue, who aren't familiar with the polls that, where Native Americans came out nine out of ten, not having an issue. with the name. Most of the country will look at this and say, why would you allow a racist slur for a name? I don't think I agree with you when it comes to sports fans and football fans in particular. I think restoring Redskins, again, I don't think it'll happen. I think restoring Redskins to the Washington NFL franchise would be a huge winning issue for him among NFL fans. If you're talking about

the whole country and people who don't follow the NFL or don't care that much about the NFL or aren't up to speed on what's been going on with this name and with the Indians and everything else probably because they're the easiest to sway. They're not really paying attention. But I think it would absolutely be a winning issue for him with NFL fans. I'm not sure it would. And plus with the national anthem, everybody has. had an opinion on it. Okay. That cut across, you didn't have to be a football fan to have an opinion on the national anthem.

Right. I just think that this would not have the legs that the anthem did. And if he was getting advice about this that he was listening to, I'm not sure this would be a fight worth carrying for him at this point. Make them very popular with Washington football fans, but I don't think it would go much beyond that. I have to disagree with you. Plus, it absolutely wrecks havoc with the stadium.

Yeah, and we're going to get to the breaking news of the day as it relates to the stadium here in a moment. Yeah, I'm completely on the other side of that. I think NFL fans, I read an email or DM from Tim, who's been a big fan of the show for years. He lives in Indianapolis. I think I've met Tim before. I don't know if you've met Tim.

And he just said, you haven't touched on how much this issue also impacts just NFL fans. He's like, it's the number one thing I get asked by fans of other teams is, are you guys going to ever get your name back? And I get that from cowboy fans, eagle fans, and giant fans all the time. Like that, you know, I'm not saying that they felt it the way we felt it, obviously not. But, you know, if you're a cowboy fan, you haven't loved playing the commanders in these cranberry and white uniforms over the last.

couple of years. Like we wouldn't want to play, you know, the Dallas, you know, roadrunners in some new, you know, fangled brand. I think, I don't think it's going to happen. God, I hope I'm wrong, but I disagree with you. I think NFL fans, by the way, mostly male, probably lean more conservatively as a group sports fans in general, male sports fans in general, male sports fans in general do. I think it would be a winning issue if he restored Redskins to Washington if he was the facilitator

of returning the name for NFL fans. Overall, the country as a whole, yeah, just like, you know, the people who were active, you know, active on this issue on getting the team to get rid of it, there were a lot of people not paying attention to this that were kind of easy marks. Oh, it's dictionary defined.

well, of course, you've got to get rid of it. Not understanding how much complexity there was to the overall, you know, subject. But, yeah, I would disagree with you on that. I think. And back to Adam Peters. I don't think it makes sense to even, like, of course you're going to ask him with every big news item that comes up. Like if he says something else Trump does or if Josh Harris says something about it, you're going to ask, you know, Dan, Quinn. Adam Peters, by the way, is probably done for, you know, I don't know the next time we'll hear from him.

But why would you ask Quinn? He's not going to be, he probably knows what's going on, but this isn't his area of responsibility. Like after a while. I know that. Yeah. I know that. And that is different from Rivera in the sense that was the top personnel as well. He had a bigger role in the organization. Yes. So that is on difference. But according to Josh Harris, the name commanders has taken hold in the locker rooms. That players are proud of the named commanders. Right. You know?

So if they're proud of being a commander, I think it's legitimate to ask the coach, are the players upset that the team that they're proud to play for, they might be done away with it? Well, that would be a good question if this continues. down that path. Yeah. I, you know, to Josh Harris for a moment, you know, there are people that believe

that Josh Harris and Rails and Ayn are sitting back there, you know, kind of urging the president on. Like, take it out of our hands, you know, force it, you know, and because it's probably what they want. By the way, it would be hugely beneficial for them to go back to the red

from a business standpoint. I think we can all agree on that. The issue is the league's corporate partners and sponsors, those that spend $26 billion on the league annually. That's the problem. And I think the logos in play for next year and beyond on the helmet, I don't know, but somewhere maybe prominently. we'll see. But I don't think with those largest sponsors, the FedEx's and the

Amazons and the Anheuser bushes and the Pepsi's and the Bank of Americas, I don't see them, you know, wanting to put that horse back into the barn. Even if they understand the complexity and understand that it's justifiable, what you said is true. There are too many people, including too many of their customers and share. holders that aren't paying attention and can't be convinced that it's okay to do that. And here's the other thing, too. If you're the NFL and you allow this to happen, what's to prevent the next, another president with different political leanings down the line?

Because this is still a federal land lease. to the city. What's to prevent another president to try to force the name back again? Because if you do this, the voices that used to be there following this team every week, okay, protesting for 50 years,

they'll be louder next time, and there'll be more of them. Yeah. I think, I don't know if there will be more of them or not, but I'm not saying that you're wrong on that. I do think that Snyder inspired more to join the cause over his ownership era. He was not, you know, there was no finesse with him, you know, all caps, it'll never change.

Like, he just was so stupid in the way he approached it for all of those years that he inspired a lot more. Listen to me, though. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. let's cut to another chase here. Yeah. If you were starting this team from scratch,

is there any new A you would ever name this team the Redskins? No, but that's just not a, it's not. My point is that there's a lot of people that will look at this and think you're nuts for changing the name back. Yeah, but the Redskins, you're out of your mind. Okay, but that would be. always part of the pitch from the, you know, Peter Kings and the Bob Costas and the Mike Wises of the world, would you ever start a team and name it the Redskins? No. The answer is obviously no. Why would you ever start something with a name and a brand that's controversial?

But that wasn't the situation. They weren't starting something from scratch. It was 83 years of a built-up brand. Well, because there's still major, because there's still major attachment to that brand. Massive attachment and loyalty to that brand. So it's still not a startup idea. From a business viewpoint, I get that. As a political issue, I think it's a loser. Look, I don't think it'll happen because I think that their biggest, you know, their biggest sponsors, their biggest revenue generators believe that it's an issue that they're going to have to start dealing with again and they don't want to. So I'm with you. I don't think it's ever coming back. I just think that if it did, it would be a huge home run for the franchise and even the league from a league fan standpoint. It doesn't,

But the problem is that their biggest partners are networks and companies who have lots of shareholders and lots of customers themselves. And they had to deal with it. Goodell probably doesn't want to have to deal with this. No. Of course not. Yeah. If it came back, I think it would be much more positive in terms of the results business-wise. and I think it would

you know Trump no pun intended the downside of bringing back all of these activists and all of the anti-name people who would drive corporate sponsors and the league itself nuts and I think that's why they don't want to do it

but I still think it would ultimately be a net win if they went back to the old name for everybody I don't think so unless the Bank of America's and Anheuser-Bushes said, yeah, you bring that back, we're out. We're canceling our deals.

And that's essentially what happened in 2020 with FedEx. But the reason that Fred Smith gave the ultimatum was not because he was getting pressured or he finally succumbed to the pressure of his customers and shareholders. It was because Dan Snyder stiffed him. Right. You know, when you said, the one thing that Josh Harris has said since he, took over the team now two years ago. It was two years ago to the day on Monday. That I just can't stand every time it's brought up is the day that he said, we're sticking with commanders.

It's become really popular in, you know, among our players and in our building out here. Like, that is so irrelevant. And he missed the mark on that one. It's, the building and his players are not his customers. You have to address what your customers want, which is what he said from day one, which is we'll certainly listen to the fans on this topic. Well, he didn't in that particular instance. But I don't blame him because Redskins not being an option

means every other option is polarizing, and there's no easy answer. Other than for me, it would be Washington football team. And look, they've taken the step of going back to at least looking like the team that we all rooted for, and we'll get that three times next year and hopefully, you know, 17 times the next year. Look at how much name we've done here in the open, and we weren't even planning on doing it. The breaking news of the day has to do with the stadium, and it does not involve the president of the United States. It does involve the D.C. City Council. We'll get to that and more after these words from a few of our sponsors. It can be hard for men to deal with hair loss, even though it's common.

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com. So Mark Seagraves from Channel 4 broke this news earlier today. The news is that Chairman Phil Mendelsohn of the City Council is close to announcing a deal with the team that will change some of the financial terms that Mayor Bowser negotiated in the original deal, which was announced back in April, and it will open the door for the city council to vote basically next week or the week after, just a couple of days after the public hearings are held. And Tommy, I believe those are on the 28th and 29th of next week. So there you go. We've heard that the city council and the team have been talking.

So Mendelssohn and the city council were apparently able to, change some of the financial terms. Seagraves does not give any detail in terms of what they were able to negotiate in terms of a better deal for taxpaying residents of the city. But it looks like the city council has gotten what they need, and they will vote on this, and we will have a deal for the team to return to RFK, barring any federal interference in the lease. Yes. Yes. I think I expect it all along that a deal would be approved by the city council.

And I think there was a lot of room in various parts of the existing agreement that they made with the mayor wiggle room for a couple of bones to be thrown to the city. Yeah. And I think that's what this is probably going to amount to just a couple of bones. The big meal is going to be for the team. Okay. The city will get some phones out of it. But again, they were never walking away from this deal with the city because it's too lucrative for the team. They were never going to – I mean, Virginia, they might as will be talking about El Salvador as Maryland.

That's timely. You know, which I always thought was the path of least resistance. Yes, you did. I know that. I agree. I was wrong on that, but that was before I realized how lucrative the land deal was going to be for the city in the district. So I think I always thought a deal was going to get done. You know, I'm curious, I know Mayor Bowser is your girl, okay?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You are speaking out of school here. Let me finish here. I've had her on the show multiple times over the last year, and we've had some nice conversations. That's all. Okay. Okay.

I know you're an admirer of Mayor. I'm an admirer of her communication ability. Okay. Yes. Okay. You know, I thought in a way this smelled like the deal that happened in Virginia between Ted and. And what's the governor's name? Yonkin.

Yonkin. Where they basically held a press. There are similarities. Yes, there were. Yes, there were. Yeah. But there are similarities where they held a press conference. They celebrated this deal that was done.

And, you know, the governor nor Ted never consulted anyone from the state legislature in terms of the specifics of the deal. Now, it may not have made any difference. politically. They still might have faced the same political fight, but I think, you know, Mendelso could make the case that he was kind of frozen out of the whole discussions. And then they had this big press conference where they announced there with this deal, and they were ready to go. And it kind of smelled like, you know, what happened in Virginia with Ted a little bit. It did, except for, you know, the difference is,

you know, these teams were, Ted's teams were leaving the city. Yeah. And to build a whole new complex where, as this is just a horrible piece of land that's desperately needed something like this for years, which leads me to this. Because you have really sort of emphasized in recent conversations what a phenomenal deal this is for the team. and almost, you know, almost implying that it is, it's very one-sided. And so, you know, and maybe Mendelsohn felt the same way. But you're forgetting what the 2031 Women's World Cup will bring to the city. Because by passing this now, they're going to be able to get the Women's World Cup in 2013.

No, in all seriousness, though, that's where, you know, you almost, I asked the mayor of this. I asked her, you know, what does a women's, you know, a women's World Cup in 2031 mean to the city in terms of revenue? That's what the city, you know, the untold story is how the city will benefit by having these big events, including, by the way, a Super Bowl, you know, probably within 10 years. I know that. Yeah. But this one event, and let's say, the money they. attached to all these things. It's a bit fictional. Okay. No one's

to dying. It won't bring in a lot of revenue. But, I mean, these are like fictional numbers. You know, a hundred million dollars. I don't know enough about it. Well, I mean, my experience is that they're always inflated. I mean, that's what I would do.

If I was trying to get people to like my project, you know, 80 million, well, let's make it 100 million. It's easier to say, you know. Yeah, well, on the cost side, it's usually underdone. Yes, yes, it is. Yes, it is. But I always thought, if the deal gets done, I always thought that would be inevitably what would happen.

And I thought it was only fair that Phil Mendelsohn got to, you know, to basically, you know, raise some of your questions about it. and, you know, say, put the brakes on a little bit. I don't think that was unreasonable. Did you hear Mendelssohn say on 1067 the fan yesterday, Grant and Danny, and also the mayor answered this question the same way, that if the name got changed back, would you have a problem with the team coming back to RFK?

the mayor said no and Chairman Mendelsohn said no on the Grant and Danny show yesterday. And then he went further and said, you know, essentially said it wasn't really the name all of those years. It was the owner. Now, I, you know, the name was an issue for the city. Yes. Yes. Look, here's what I say, and I could be wrong. I don't want to, you know, come across saying, like, I think this is an absolute.

But what would be the benefit to them to say at this point, yeah, the name would have been an issue? What good would they have done that? Oh, it was the right answer. I mean, the right answer. It was the right answer from a business standpoint and from a political standpoint. Yes. Yes, exactly. It would have done them no good to say, oh, no, then we wouldn't have anything to do with it at this point.

Because I don't think they believe it's not going to be an issue. I don't think they think they're going to actually have to deal with the name. I agree. Okay. I agree with it. So it's not something that they're going to have to face. So why not say, sure? No problem.

That's my opinion. All right. So we're heading towards it looks like a city council vote. They're not going to vote unless they have the seven votes. And, you know, I've talked to a few people, including on this podcast with Eric Flack from Channel 9 on Monday and he thinks it'll be like 11-2 or 10-2 or whatever it would be. Well, once they go it's a done deal, then everybody will want to jump on the bandwagon. Right.

Yeah, because they want to get tickets. What's what I voted for? Yeah, they want to get tickets. Well, look, it's been, it's amazing that the polling has been, you know, majority of D.C. residents want this and are okay with coming up with a billion dollars to sort of, support it. That is very unusual. You taught me that many years ago. You know, using taxpayer dollars to fund billionaire owners, you know, stadium developments is never popular. And it is in this city. A poll and a ballot question would be two different things.

True. This is always a loser as a ballot question. That's what you've told me before, but I bet it would be a lot closer than it would be in other places. It may. You're right. It may. You know. Let's sweep it back. There was something I wanted to mention about the name again. Okay. And it's tied to the stadium. You know, I was amazed at the amount of fans who let it be known to me on social media,

if it was between the name and the stadium, give them the name. Oh, I totally agree with that. I've said that for a few years. I've said, you know, winning or Snyder in the name is different. You know, would you take Snyder back for the name? That's completely different. The stadium's always been third behind winning in the name. If you gave me the choice of we get Redskins back, we get our team back the way we had it,

but you're going to have to play in a new stadium in Landover, I would choose that. and most people I know certainly that are near my age would absolutely choose that. And I think that's in part because the majority of the fans don't go to the stadium to see the team play. Well, it's more than that, Tommy. If they don't, if the name's not back, they don't feel like they're as much of a fan of the team anymore. So who the hell pairs where they play? I know that, but the people who say it's not really costing them to say name or the stadium. Well, I would pick the name.

That's fair. They don't probably go to the stadium. That's fair. But for me, I think the stadium's going to be great for the city that I live in. So there's that part of it, too. But, yeah, no, if you gave me the choice of you get Redskins back, but you're not going to get RFK. you're going to get a new stadium on the current site in Landover. I would say, sign me up.

Sign me up for that. All right. Let's get to Terry McCorn, who did not report yesterday. He officially is a camp holdout. Did not report today for the first day of practice. He is on the reserve, did not report list. They also put Sam Cosmi, by the way, on the Pup list. Although Dan Quinn said today that there's a chance for Cosmy in the opening.

Now, that would not match up to the normal time frame from when he suffered the torn ACL against Detroit. It would be more like late September, early October. But you never know with these things, I guess. Terry, McLaurin, I spent a lot of time on yesterday's show talking about this. What do you think? Well, again, I don't know. they don't have a plan B. You know?

I mean, if they want to make a of of Jane Daniel's second season on their contract, they need Terry McClure. You know, I mean, look, look at their running back room for a minute. It's not a very impressive running back room. Okay. I mean, you know, they don't still don't have that many weapons that they can afford Ford to have an unhappy Terry McClure. Now, do people tell, I don't think he's going to hold out.

I think he would just, you know, come back and then play under his existing contract and play it out at one year. And people, you know, maybe the team is counting on McLaur because he had such a strong work ethic and is considered such a stand-up guy that he wouldn't let it affect him. But I think it would affect him. I think it would affect other players in that locker room as well. I think it would be a piss-poor way to start the season. I think the culture would be curdled a little bit.

If Terry McCorn doesn't have a deal, he's happy with going into the season. On that, I really think people will get over it. I really do. And I'm not just talking about fans. I think the locker room and everybody in the organization, if they aren't able to come to a long-term contract extension, and he ends up playing on the final year of his deal, when the game start, man, everybody is focused on that,

and everybody moves on. And he'll still be playing, and we know he's a pro's pro. So even if he's still pissed that he didn't get the deal that he wanted, you know, he's going to be working towards that next deal. And I think, I honestly don't think there would be lingering effects. That's just me. I did a lot of phones today on Terry, and I put out a Twitter poll, which, and I was really interested in terms of what the results were. I did something a few weeks ago. I said, if we get to the beginning of training camp and he's not signed and he holds out,

will you be Team Terry or Team Front Office? So I did it again today. And, you know, an hour plus of calls. We could have gone longer. But I put the Twitter poll out, whose side are you on? Are you more Team Terry or Team Front Office? As I'm looking at this right now, about 1,800 votes in,

it's basically dead even. 50.4% say Team Terry, 49.6% say they would side with the front office. Does that surprise you? You know what? I give credit, look, I think most, it's my experience with fans is that they buy the jerseys of the players, they root for the players, but whenever there's a contract, they always back the team because they all think that players make too much money. That's not what a lot of people have been saying leading up to this. A lot of people have been saying the team's really going to take a hit for this.

the team's really going to look bad. Terry's the most popular player of the last, you know, many years. When push comes to shove, people think players make too much money and they'll side with management in this case. So if anything, the fact that Terry got 50% I think speaks to his popularity. Oh, I thought that this was going to be a 70-30. Terry 70 front office 30.

Now he's holding out. Now he's holding out. Now the guy's saying, I'm not coming to work unless I'm getting paid. That doesn't sit well with working class people. Okay, that's fair. But his situation has been different all along. I was wrong,

and it sounds like you were right in terms of how you would have predicted it would have come out. I have just felt this ground swell. of support for Terry in this contractual, you know, negotiation. And look, it's not a standoff. It's not a, you know, we're not at that, you know, point in which it's stalemate impasse until training camp starts. None of the other, you know, periods matter.

You know, Terry's 35-minute press conference, mandatory mini-camp in June. Once training camp starts, it's the. real deal. So to your point, maybe that's why the voting's much closer, but I still thought more people were going to support Terry on this. And I, you know, God, every time I go down this path, I know that people are like, God, you think Terry McLaren stinks. You hate Terry McClellan. No, I don't. I just don't get why some people already have them like in art monk territory. or Charlie Taylor territory. The dude's never caught 90 passes in a season.

I get it. He hasn't had a great quarterback until last year. He's not an elite takeover the game kind of receiver. Big Tony was listening to radio this morning, and he sent me something, and I've never said it this way, and this is going to piss people off. He's the fourth best receiver in the division. A.J. Brown, C.D. Land.

Malik Neighbors. Hell, you could throw in George Pickens and Devante Smith if you wanted to. I wouldn't. I would put him at fourth. I would put it in order. Brown Neighbors, Lamb, Terry. You know, he's really good. But, and he's been such a great guy, a stand-up guy, the class act during all of these horrible years.

But sometimes I just, when we get into these. situations and these conversations, it's like, I want to say to some of these people, man, God, I wish you had been a part of the glory days. And you knew what winning franchises and big time players really looked like. I mean, no offense to Terry. He's not Art Monk. He's not Charlie Taylor. He's not Gary Clark, okay, in terms of our own players. In terms of being a great guy, we've had a lot of great guys in the organization over the years. I get it. His was this outlier situation because he really played in some difficult circumstances.

Terrible organization, major drama off the field, and on the field it was a terrible product with terrible quarterbacks. but if I'm siding with the team on this, I'm trusting the team on this, and I want him back. I want him back on a long-term deal. I do, but I don't want the team to pay way over market value. Pay a slight premium because he's been such a good guy and he will be a good guy in the locker room. And he's a really good player that you need. But, yeah, I don't know.

he's been elevated by this fan base to a level that I'm not comfortable with. Not everybody, but I've heard too much of it over the last few years. He's a really good player, period, and a really good guy, second period. Would they win without him? Guess what? They probably would. You know why? He's not number five. Baltimore, Kansas City, and Buffalo didn't have anything at wide receiver last year. They were all in the championship games. Okay, Baltimore had Derek Lewis at running back.

Derek Lewis was one hell of a shot blocker for the University of Maryland back in the day. I know. He was on my mind because he was a coach for the Frederick flying out. Oh, right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Derek Henry.

Derek Henry. Yeah. Derek Henry. I mean, that's not a fair comparison. Well, Mahomes didn't. Mahomes' supporting cast was depleted. Josh Allen did not have a great supporting cast. I like Cook.

I liked, you know, some of the things. But the point is elite quarterbacks elevate everybody around them. If they don't have Jaden, they're winning five games. If they don't have Terry but they have Jaden for 17, they still have a chance to win 10 games and be in the playoffs. Noah Brown, Luke McCaffrey. That's not 12 games. No, I don't think they do.

I do. I don't think they do. I still think they'd be very good. I don't think they'd be a Super Bowl threat. I want Terry back because he... I don't even think they make the playoffs. Oh, I do. Oh, come on.

Come on. Seriously. Seriously. Have you forgotten that Jaden is the sun and everything revolves around him and everything looks so pretty around him? I know that. But what would be revolving around him then would be burnt up asteroids, not planning. Okay. Well, Buffalo won, what, 13, 14 games last year with not. a lot around Josh Allen. Kansas

City not only started this season without enough, but they were decimated with injuries. They won 15 games and ended up in the Super Bowl. And that's because they have Patrick Mahomes. And I'm not saying that Jaden's Patrick Mahomes yet, but he ain't that far away.

No Terry McLorn. This is still a good football team. However, I do think that they would take a major hit in the and in the division in their ability to, you know, become a Super Bowl participant out of the NFC. They would certainly fall in terms of, you know, the odds favorite to win the NFC. But as long as five is the quarterback, they're going to move the football and they're going to score points.

Let me point out that the Kansas City Chief had the fourth-rank defense last year, and the bills had the 11th drink. Yes. Good points. Very good points. They were also Buffalo in particular, incredibly dynamic offensively, during the course of the year. And they had, you know, the guy Shakir,

they had the rookie from Florida State, Coleman. You know, they didn't, they had Amari Cooper, but he's still out there, by the way, as a free agent. agent. He's just not been anywhere near what he was those couple of years in Dallas or even where did he start? He started with the Raiders, right? The Raiders. I thought he started with the Jain. No, no, no. Amari Cooper started with the Raiders. Okay. Okay. All right. Anything else on Terry? No, that's it, boss. I want him, people, I want the team and Terry to, to,

come to an agreement on a deal that's fair for him, acknowledges the player he is and the person he is moving forward, and it's also good for the team, and they will be a much better team with him than without him. But what I just said, I believe that if they didn't have them, this would still be a good football team this year and still be a playoff contending team without Terry McLorn. All right, we'll finish it up with a couple of things, including something Mike Loxley said today about his Maryland football program.

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Well, with all this stadium talk, thinking about the future here in D.C., about people going to the new stadium at the old RFK site, look at one of the issues that has come up is the lack of availability of tailgating, like you did do in the existing Northwest Stadium. Right. Okay? that's going to be limited those opportunities. Now, there'll be places to go eventually around the stadium to go, but I'm going to suggest that you want to do your tailgating like a pro. You do it at Shelley's back room at 1331 S Street, Northwest, in the district.

A place where, like on a cold November day on a Sunday, you can go there and have, you know, basically, you know, a great lunch, a great cigar, a nice couple of drinks to warm you up. And then the metro is right there. The metro is right down the road from Shellies. You hop on the metro. You get off. You'll be able to walk right out to the stadium and walk right in the door.

Okay. And on the way back, after you've celebrated, the commanders win. You'll be able to do the same thing as well. You know, if parking is an issue, there's plenty of parking garages. Up by Shelly's, you'll be able to go to, and you'll be able to celebrate coming and going at Shelly's backroom. And you will be alone. The place will be filled with commanders' fans, like it's filled with Capitals fans when there's a Capitals game. I'd say it's filled with Wizards fans, but there's not enough Wizards fans to fill Shelly's Backroom.

Find out more at shelley's backroom.com. He sent me something the other day about it was a whole summer league breakdown by one of the fan wizards blog sites. What did you send me? Hold on. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what? I don't want to mention it because I like this kid.

He's a nice kid. And I've had him on. Why? You know what? Here's the thing about a lot of these fan sites that, you know, get even the month. minimal of traction. Most of them are really young at a college, wanting to get into sports media and sports content. And social media and a lot of these, you know, formats allow them to do that without getting

hired by somebody. And if it's their passion... I get that. Oh, yeah, I know. But you're mocking it all the time with me. Well, because, because it's my business. it's my business, you know? I mean, there's nobody, like when I came into the newspaper business,

there were people above you that basically taught you, sometimes roughly, but taught you how to be critical about the information you were receiving, how to process the information properly, and how to report it with a skeptical eye, not a cynical eye, a skeptical eye. okay and to really get to the heart of of of the information you were being given be able to break it down and that's a loss that's lost that's gone that doesn't exist anymore not even newspapers that does that exist well it exists with you you're handling it for everybody i know that

okay but you know i've got no i've got no mentee okay i've got nobody who i'm passing this information Is that plural? You're mentoring the mentee? But I have no mentee. I'm not passing this information on to anyone. Okay. All right. Nobody knows what we're talking about, and I'm not going to name the person,

but I'll just tell you that the tweet had to do with kind of the biggest takeaways from the Wizards 2025 Summer League. and you just sent it to me and just, you know. You know, actually, a team like the Wizards that right now has such a minimal following, but that creates the opportunity because not a lot of people are covering the team. Not a lot of people are caring about the team. And so, you know, if that's what your passion is, go for it. actually really can't wait to watch the Wizards this year. It's not a hobby. It's not supposed to be a hobby.

This generation, it's all about hobbies. Yeah. So, what was I going to say? Oh, real quickly before I forget, I do have a new show for everybody. I've not gotten to Mob Land. Did Landman loved it? Did your friends and neighbors loved it? did the documentary on Jane Mansfield, did you watch it yet? Yes, I did. Oh, okay. So? I wasn't as hopped up for it as you were.

Okay, tell me why. Because I was. I just didn't think it was that interesting. I just didn't think it was that particularly interesting. Really? What about the twist with receipts? with respect to Mariska Hargaday's family situation. Well, you know what?

You know, walk down the street, and probably every 10 feet, there's a similar family twist somewhere. That one was interesting. I didn't, look, I'm not criticizing it, and I'm not criticizing you for liking it. It just didn't strike the same note with me. Oh, man.

I found it to be really. I thought the subjects themselves were awkward at times, but I thought the story was great. And when you got to the end, I thought it was pretty moving. Not every day. You can't walk 10 feet and bump into somebody who was in a vehicle and a car crash that killed the mother, but you were a three-year-old sibling with your other siblings in the back and you survived. And as it turned out that was your mother, but who you, oh, I can't, I'm not going to give it away. No, you can't do that.

Here's a new. Here's what it did do for me, though. What? You know, in two weeks is Bumstock. Okay, and Bumstock is a stone throw away from Penn Argyle. Is that where? It's buried. That's where she's buried?

Yeah. So you're going to go to the grave? I'm thinking I might go visit the grave. Okay. Were you a fan of Jane Mansfield? No, I mean, I wasn't a fan of Jane Mansfield. Okay. Kind of before my time.

I, the last two nights I found something else. It was recommended to me by my mother, actually. She said, I think you're going to really like this. It's called Mind Hunter. It's on Netflix. It came out back in 2017. I'd never heard of it. It is, you know, kind of a psychological thriller, maybe, would be the description.

It is the story, and it's a true story, about the FBI's development of a team started by these two individuals who were FBI agents who started an entire group that studied the behavior for predictive. purposes and for solving crime purposes of serial killers. And it started, this program started in the 70s in Quantico. And, you know, famous serial killers from back in the day, like the BTK killer, Dennis Raider, Jerry Brutos, Edmund Kemper. They're all part of this true story. I think it's excellent. Really good.

The people in it I'm totally unfamiliar with, all people that I've never seen before, never watched before. But they're all pretty good. And you said to me when I mentioned this to you, go ahead. Well, I'm not interested in watching shows about serial killers, whether they're fictional or real. Okay. I have no interest. Why not? You know?

Because it's... Too dark? I'm, I, if you, if you, if you follow the news like I do, not like a lunatic, but, you know, like trying to be an informed reader, there's a lot of poison out there in the world. You know, I don't need to introduce extra poison. Well, yeah. Yeah, depending on where you're getting the news and I don't even know what you can believe anymore, but yeah, there's a, there's a lot of darkness out there, no doubt.

Yeah, so I don't, I don't need to seek it out. Okay. Look, look, I don't know for the life of me, Kevin. You sit there and say, you know, I'll get to this show, I'll get to that show. I give you recommendations and you ignore them. I've told you multiple times to watch Louder Milk. You will love this show. You will think it's one of the funniest shows you've ever seen.

There's nothing dark about it except the humor. All right. who's in it again nobody's in it of any note let me see what's it I think it's on Amazon Prime I wish I didn't have Amazon Prime why because then I could say I don't have it

I can't watch it because that's essentially your answer to everything I give you um louder milk all right and the other one was sneaky Pete I know but the ultimate

you would love but the ultimate you know in our relationship is the wire. That, I know I have to watch. I know I have to eventually get to the wire. But that's a big commitment. And I think some of the things that you've given to me before are like massive commitments of multiple seasons. Now, Louder Milk is, Louder Milk and Sneaky Pete, I think, about three-season commitments. Okay. All right. I don't think that's true, though. I think I have watched things you've recommended. I think many, many more times you haven't watched things that I've recommended.

And when you... But you recommend lousy stuff. Not, not according to everybody that listens to this show more times than not, just you. And I think that's actually your, you're, you're, you're, you go in thinking, God, I hope I hate this. So I can say that I didn't like it on the podcast. All right. I want to get to something Mike Loxley said and something Stephen A. Smith said this week. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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button, whichever one exists on Apple and Spotify. That helps us out a lot as well. All right, two things to finish up on quickly. Stephen A. Smith the other day on his show, I think it was on his show, talking about Washington Stadium stuff. This was in the wake of the Trump stuff and the stadium talk. And this was Stephen A. Smith's big idea on what Washington and Baltimore can do together. Here it is. I've always wanted a stadium in the state of Maryland that the Ravens and the Washington commanders could share with a lot of employment emanating from D.C. but still be able to, because again, you wouldn't have to worry about stuff like this. That's just my personal opinion. That was the idea that I throughout last year that the Ravens and the commanders should actually share stadium.

You got a minimum of 17 to 18 weeks where you got games there plus playoff games and all of that stuff plus events in the offseason. And you know what? And it's the state of Maryland that you have to deal with instead of this kind of nonsense. That's ESPN's $100 million man. I think the contract he signed on me was like five years, $100 million, like $20 million a year. I mean, I'm not one of those people that bashes Stephen. all the time. I actually really respect

the grind, the work ethic, how much he's accomplished. I'm not the biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination. But that's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. Literally, there isn't one fan of either team that

you could find that would say, yeah, we want to share a stadium with Washington fans or Ravens fans if your skins fans. Like, sometimes Sometimes I think it's so interesting how, and he knows the area. He's spent time here.

But, you know, it was Bill Walton who, you know, thought the DMV was, what, the district, Delaware, Maryland, in Virginia, I think he said, about how people just think that Baltimore and Washington are like one big area. Terrible idea would never happen. Baltimore's got a great stadium, Stephen A. T Bank is an incredible stadium. What would they want to share a stadium with us for? And they just got $600 million from the state to fix it up even

more. Right. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, it's you know, it's funny because in baseball, before Camden Yards, Edward Bennett Williams, who had owned the team, was thinking of putting a baseball stadium in between Baltimore and Washington,

and in Howard County to really serve as the one team for both cities. And if that had happened, there never would be a team in D.C. Because, you know, a team would be in Laurel somewhere. So, I mean,

this has been thought of before by other entrepreneurs and people, but, no, it's a terrible idea. Was the Capitol Center built in Landover. Abe Poland built it there

when he moved the bullets to Washington so that it was very accessible for Baltimore fans. I would assume so, but I don't know that I know the story about why he chose, you know, what they called back then Largo and then it became Landover. But I'm assuming it's so that it was as

accessible for Baltimore fans. When did that open? 1973. Okay. I was drunk in Miami then. I have no idea why he built, what he built, and when he built it, and for what? So I don't know. Okay. Yeah, the Capitol Center, yeah, 1973, opened up in December of 1973. You know, that first year they were called the Capitol Bullets, and then they were changed to the Washington Bullets. but they played early season games in Cole Fieldhouse because Capitol Center wasn't ready yet.

All right. Mike Loxley, I think this was at sort of Big Ten football day out in Las Vegas, actually is where they held it. He said something that made major headlines today in college football circles anyway. He said that he lost the locker

room in 2024 last year over essentially money, which players to pay and which players not to pay. Maryland had gone three straight seasons of winning seven or more games, going to bowl games, and they won all three bowl games in 21, 22, and 23. Last year, without Liatunga Vailoa, their quarterback, they fell to four and eight, and I would say that that's the biggest reason that they dropped to just four wins last year. And they're predicted, by the way, in the Big Ten media poll to finish next to last or maybe 16th out of 18 teams. I think it's 16th out of 18 teams. But he said the following.

He said, I own the fact that I lost my locker room. And this is, and he's speaking in third person here, and this is Coach Locke's. the locker room king telling you this landscape, I had to choose between paying young players who were coming in or reward the older players that had been through the fire, three bowl wins, and I tried to do both with limited resources, and that's what you get,

a locker room with halves and have-nots. He said, now, he's learned his lesson, and he said, you go outside my locker room now, and I have a sign that says leave your Louis belts that would be Louis Vuitton I believe belts leave your financial statements in your car keys outside of this locker room

because in here we're all going to pay the same price for success or failure if I've got to put my desk in that locker room I will a valuable lesson learned closed quote now that'll fix it well things are different now because of the salary cap and the 20.5 million that will get divvied up 70%, 75% to football,

and now players are going to get actual salaries. But that's going to be a challenge to decide on which players get paid what. And then there's NIL on top of that. But I can only imagine, man, the challenges for coaches that have been around for a while with what you've got to deal with now. And at Maryland, here's the thing. He is a great recruiter. But they don't have the resources and they haven't had the resources. And there are just better environments to go play in.

I hate saying that because I want Maryland football to be great. I love Maryland football. But he ends up, you know, killing it and recruiting and then losing a lot of those players eventually. But, yeah. lost his locker room last year. He also lost the quarterback that was really good for four years, the three years that preceded it. That had a little bit to do with four and eight. I hope they're better this year. It doesn't appear that they will be. They've got an incoming freshman who is, you know, was one of ESPN's top quarterbacks, Malik Washington, but I don't know if he'll play

as a true freshman. We'll see. Anything else? I got nothing else for you, boss. Okay. I will talk to you on Friday. Good luck with everything tomorrow. Absolutely. Thank you.