The Kevin Sheehan Show - Terry McLaurin Is Jimmy Butler?

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

Kevin and Thom today with a menu of excellence featuring several delicious items. Thom is recovering from a "procedure" that has him on Day 3 of no food. A thought-provoking emailer compared Terry McLaurin to Jimmy Butler. The boys reacted to that. Some name, stadium, Nats' trade-deadline, and Hulk Hogan discussion on the show as well as a strong documentary recommendation ("What The Hell Happened To Blood, Sweat, and Tears") from Thom. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I'm here. The show's presenting sponsor is Window Nation 86690 Nation,

Window Nation.com if you need new windows. Not that you'll notice the difference because he's always a bit, you know, cranky and ornery. But Tom may be at an end. elevated level of cranky today because he hasn't eaten solid food since Tuesday. You want to tell everybody why? I don't think you should get into the detail. I think you should just talk about the procedure.

Oh, God. No, I think we need to. We're dealing with adults here. Oh, boy. And for all you, and for all you middle-aged men, I just want to give you an idea what you're No, no, don't do this. This might be as bad as the eye getting shots in your eyeball. Okay.

I had a condition that I've lived with for about a year or so through medicine and it's been controlled where my esophagus is shrinking. And one of the ways they can treat that is they stick a balloon-like device down your esophagus and they stretch it out. Oh, my God. Somebody get me a drink or a valium. Oh, I have that done. I'm squeamish on this stuff. Yesterday morning, but I couldn't eat for like 36 hours before. And I didn't know this until after the procedure.

You can't eat for 48 hours after. Oh, my God. So tomorrow morning, I can start eating soft food. What will you choose soft food-wise? Jello? Well, I already have my menu. I'm going to have a cheese omelet in the morning. All right, that's soft, right?

Yes. Okay. And I'm going to have mashed potatoes for dinner. Okay. Wait a minute. Your only soft food tomorrow, you've got breakfast and dinner. Is there anything in between? I usually don't eat lunch.

You used to eat lunch. Yeah, but I used to do a lot of things. Okay. I used to be able to swallow my food without help. Okay. The not eating and on a liquid diet isn't the part that I'm squeamish over. It's the whole thing involving the esophagus. So I hope that that's enough esophagus talk for today.

But I just want to know, did the procedure go well? It seems to have gone well. I mean, I won't know for sure until I guess I start chomping down fried chicken and stuff like that. Right. But I noticed a difference. I noticed a difference right away. So I think it well. Basically, and here's the problem.

You know, they gave me a list of things I could have. Like a lot of it is different types of broth. Right. Well, I don't do broth. Okay. I don't like any hot liquids to go down my throat. Really? None.

Yes. I'm not a big broth person either, but I like soup. No, I don't like soup. And so I basically, I've been drinking milk and water with trips at night to the ice cream place to get some soft ice cream that I can have. Okay, that's good. Yeah. What kind of ice cream are you getting when you go to the ice cream place? What would you think that I would like?

Honestly, vanilla. There you go. So I got it? Yes, you did. Yeah, of course. I'm a simple man with simple taste. All right. Well, you know what?

You sound okay, and I'm so glad the procedure went well. And look, I think one of your first hard food meals should be at Shelleys with a cigar and a drink and maybe go with one of those chopped brisket burgers. That would be phenomenal. We'll talk about that a little bit later on in the show. Okay. That's a good idea, isn't it? Yeah, it is. You're not as dumb as you sound. Exactly. This from Rubin, I've got some emails to read today.

This from Rubin. He writes, Kevin, I had a thought I wanted to share, and I know this will get you worked up because of how much you love Jimmy Butler. Is there a chance that Terry McLorn is similar to Jimmy Butler, but has not had the chance to show it because he's been on lousy teams, and it's harder to make the playoffs in the NFL than it is the NBA. I think any objective person would say that Terry is not a top five receiver 90% of the time, just like Butler is not a top five player in the NBA, 90% of the time. But in the playoffs, playoff Jimmy is an elite player.

One of the reasons fans love Terry so much is that he seems to deliver in the biggest moments. and then he gives a list. Rubin gives me a list of Terry's biggest clutch moments. He writes, the Heineke prayer in the indie game. I do remember that. Old Taylor threw one up for grabs. It was a jump ball and somehow Terry went up and caught it. That was massive.

The Heineke prayer in the Green Bay game. Geez, there were a lot of Heineke prayers. There were. And Heineke lived right, man. There's no doubt. But you know what? One of the reasons we have some Heineke plays in here is because he was fearless. He'd just throw it.

He didn't care about the consequences. The touchdown in the Cincinnati Monday night game this past season. The 80-yard, it was I think 86 yards, touchdown in the Dallas game. The Marriota fade to beat Dallas in the season finale. The fourth-down touchdown in the Tampa playoff game. the screen house call in Detroit that flipped the game postseason. The slant he took for a TD in the Philly playoff game that gave Washington a chance. Is it possible Terry is just one of those players that runs 4-540 and has a 20-inch vertical

on most plays, but when you got to have it, he runs 4-2 and has a 40-inch vert? Could he be like Brian Mitchell, where outside of a few glimpses, his run, rookie year and the 99 season, we didn't get to see his clutch factor until he went to a good team in Philadelphia. He continues to go on and on. There's more Heineke plays with Terry. By the way, Brian Mitchell didn't turn into a clutch player when he got to Philly. He was a clutch player in Washington. Big time clutch player.

Go back in the 92 playoffs and then come back in the 99 play. playoffs when he had the kickoff return for a touchdown in Tampa. But let's give this guy credit for putting in the work, right? Yes, this is a really, you know, I don't think that Terry's Jimmy Butler in the postseason. And he hasn't had as many opportunities, obviously. I got his postseason numbers in front of me to totals, not per game. Right. But in four postseason games, he's had 20 catches for three.

302 yards and scored three touchdown. Okay. That's pretty good. Yeah, because he also had a good game, didn't he, when they made it as a 7-9 team and played Tampa during COVID? Yes. Here. I'm pulling up the game log for his playoff.

So you gave me the aggregate numbers. Against Tampa, that year he had six catches, 75 yards in that game that they lost to Tom Brady and the Buccaneers. and yeah. So I actually got upset with playoff Jimmy this past season because when Steph got hurt, he did not step in and take over like he did in Miami. I thought it was really odd the whole thing. But I get the comp.

And maybe if Terry had all these playoff games, his postseason would look much different than the regular season. Jimmy Butler, though, has been a special player in the playoffs. And it has been different. than his regular season. Your point is spot on. He's never been a top five player in the NBA, but we have seen multiple post seasons

where he was easily a top five player. But thanks for that. Yeah. Terry's been clutch, I think. I think he pointed out a lot of examples of Terry coming up with some really big plays. For sure. He has.

Okay. Do you have any, you have any, date where this becomes a big problem? Say that again? Do you have any date where the McLaurid holds out becomes a big problem? No, I don't have a date. I have, well, I guess it would be a date. I think he's got to get back for that second preseason game,

which would still give him another three weeks. to get ready for the season. I don't know, Tommy. Honestly, I think Terry's such a pro. He's staying in shape. You know that. He had a year with Jaden. They developed chemistry,

especially, you know, after the early portion of the season. Now, he hasn't played with Debo Samuel. You know, he hasn't played a lot with maybe some of the other players that'll be on the field because there's no more Diami. There's no more Zekees.

There's no more Crowder. We don't know what the mix will look like at wide receiver. But I would certainly think a couple of weeks of practice and maybe one preseason quarter and were good. And if you told me, no, he held out the entire preseason and showed up the week before the giant season opener. I mean, I still wouldn't be alarmed by it.

But we have seen holdouts throughout camp need a couple of weeks to sort of get into rhythm with the team. I don't know. Is there a date for you where you think it becomes a problem? Well, I think the longer people have to ask the question, I think the bigger problem it becomes. I think the bigger the story, the longer the story lasts, the bigger the problem it becomes for the organization.

The worst signal it sends out, not to the locker room and the rest of the league. And the more frustrating it'll get to the coaching staff. We started a conversation the other day that I did actually on radio today, and that is what would life without Terry look like? You know, how many fewer games would the team win? You and I had a disagreement on this the other day. Right.

And, you know, again, this is real high. hypothetical, you know, stuff because he's going to play for Washington this year. I mean, there's just nothing that makes sense about a trade and there's nothing that makes sense about a holdout. But I mentioned to you the other day and I just put the poll out at that point, but it was much closer than I thought it would be. And I think you disagreed with this too. But it ultimately ended up, you know, around 2,500 votes on whose side are you on? Are you more team Terry or more team front office? It was 50.2% team Terry, 49.8% team front office.

I mean, that's 50-50, basically. I mean, it's basically split. I was very surprised by that. I would have thought it would have been overwhelmingly, Terry. You suggested that, no, usually when you get to the holdout, especially when the player has time left on his contract, they'll take the team's position. I thought Terry would be treated differently.

And then the conversation about what it looks like without Terry, I don't know. I just don't think that it would be as massive a loss as I think you think and maybe others think. And I'm not just talking about on the field. I'm talking about in that locker room. I'm talking about the way his teammates would view the situation. Players around the league would view how Washington handled it. I just don't think there would be a lot of, you know, long-term damage from it. Not after last year.

I just don't. Well, I think the short-term damage would be just as significant. What would the short-term damage be? Again, I don't know. I don't know if it would affect the discussions in the locker room. I don't know if it would affect your young quarterback who can't have his, you know, his most veteran, his most accomplished receiver in camp because the team doesn't want to pay him what he thinks he's worked. I think short-term is really what we should be talking about

because that's what we're talking about what the team should be concentrating on. Short-term accomplishments with a quarterback under a rookie contract. All right. Well, so let's get away from the hypothetical about what it would look like without him, because that's not going to happen. Right. I agree. The team, you know, in terms of the dollars and cents, they have all the leverage here. They have most of it. They have to pay him a base salary of $15.5 million in 2025.

He's under contract. And then they would have the option if he played well and they couldn't get a long-term deal or let's just say they didn't want a long-term deal after 2025 to franchise tax. them to the tune of 28.5 million. So that I can do that math. That's about 43 to 44 million in, you know, basically the 25 season and the 26 season versus what he, let's just say, if they settled on 30 million a year, he wants a little bit more. They probably want to pay him a little bit less, but we don't really know what that delta is. And that's part of the problem in this conversation, is we don't know if they've gone too low or he's asked too high.

But let's just say that they went 30 million on average for three years with 60 guaranteed. Well, they're in a situation for the next two years. They would only have to pay them 43 million. And oh, by the way, that's a pay-as-you-go situation. That's not coming up with $60 million in Do It, signing, and the rest of it that you'd have to put into escrow. So the financial part of this with the team not signing him to a long-term contract extension works out much better for the team.

But that's, of course, not the entire story here. You know, do you want to lock them up for more than two years? Because the franchise tag in 2027 would get very expensive and it would also be simultaneous with Jaden getting the big contract. Do you want your player to not be happy? I think his professional attitude may be working against him because they know he'll come in and be a pro's pro even if he isn't happy. This is, it's an interesting situation. It's an interesting contract negotiation and standoff, which is where we are right now.

That may be totally forgotten by the second week of the scene. Yes. But I would suggest that it'll be almost totally forgotten whether he signs a contract extension or not by the time we get to the regular season. Because then everybody's dialed in on the games. He's in uniform playing. And you're not sitting there as you're watching the team play thinking, ooh, he's playing on the last year of his deal. He didn't get a contract extension. Only if they're winning.

or only if they're playing well offensively. There's a difference. They were bad on defense last year. The first two games are against the Giants in Green Bay. Well, Green Bay is... I think everyone expects them to win that game against the Giants. Yes. I think so.

If they didn't, Terry McClure would be the number one topic of many. Well, not if he caught eight balls for 140 yards and two touchdowns, and they lost 41 to 38. That's true. It depends on how they lose. I said in answering the hypothetical, which isn't going to happen, I said, worst case, it'd be a game difference. There were callers that said three, four games less they would win.

I think at least two. There's just no, you know, war equivalent, whether it's PFF or expected points added number, advance number that would ever assign that much value to a wide receiver, just so you know. But they do assign that kind of value to the quarterback and to a dominant pass rusher. But that's, you know, that's if you believe in that stuff. I think Jaden would elevate everybody around them. And I think this would be a team if with Terry they won, we're going to win 11, that they would win 10 and still be a playoff team. But it would be much better with him. Sure. Their chances

to win the Super Bowl are less without him. That is 100% true. But I just don't see like, oh, my God, Terry McLaren's not here. They're going 7 and 10 instead of 10 and 7. I can't see that. I can see if Jaden's not here, them going 6 and 11 instead of 11 and 6. Yes. Yes, if they were 7 and 10 because Terry wasn't there, then I don't know if they could pay them enough. If they were 7 and 10 without Terry being there, it would mean that Jaden went down to. Yeah. Or somehow Jaden had a sophomore slump season, which I don't see happening. Interesting, though. I mean, we're beyond where I thought we would be.

I thought that, you know, going back to, you know, the draft and free agency, I thought we would have a contract extension before Camp started wrong. And I thought that if Camp started without a contract extension, he would be a hold in, not a hold out, wrong. He's pissed. He's hurt. He's angry. And it doesn't seem to be bothering the team right now. because Adam Peters came from a place where he's been a part of this last summer, not last summer because he wasn't there.

But Trent Williams, you know, Kittle, lots of these situations where the Bosa, where San Francisco didn't get it done until the end of August or the early portion of September. And they struggled sometimes, too. They only struggled when they had serious injuries. Other than that. And I'm trying to think if any of those serious injuries were because of players reporting late. That seems to be a concern, and I'm not pushing back on this concern of some. That is, if he doesn't get into camp soon, the risk of injury, soft tissue injury, etc., increases.

Maybe with a lot of players, but I can't believe that Terry McLaren's not taking care of himself right now. I want him to get signed to a contract extension. To me, he's got three really good years left. I mean, maybe more. And it'd be much better to have a true number one in the lineup than not having, they're going to have a true number one in the lineup, but guaranteed for next year without using the franchise tag and guaranteed for 2027 without being, you know,

in a franchise tag situation. I don't know. You said something. Let me just, I don't want to lose this thought. You said something, they didn't prepare for this. So they did sign Debo, but not the same. But if you're right and they didn't really prepare for this, then a deal is coming at some point,

even if they have to pay a premium. That would make sense. That would make sense, yeah. You know, it's possible they think that his lawyer, his agent, it's not a high-powered agent. He doesn't have any client. Right. And they may think they can just overpower this guy at some point.

Yeah, or maybe part of this is that his agent, who, for those of you who don't know, Terry is his biggest client. This will be the biggest deal that he's negotiated. Maybe they just think that the agent's giving Terry bad advice as to what he should be asking for. Or maybe you're right. Maybe they're like, we got ourselves a guy that we can really kind of push around. We can let this guy out. Right. Yeah.

All right. That wasn't the intended subject, but I'm glad we talked about it because we were going to get to Terry at some point. The stadium situation is interesting, Tommy, because what I thought it was yesterday, it actually isn't. We'll get to that and a lot more after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, we've reached that point on the sports calendar where it is all about baseball. Basketball's in the rearview mirror. Football's still a few weeks away in terms of preseason games. So let's focus on baseball.

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This one comes from Wally. Wally writes, Kevin, how many more hours are you going to spend pontificating on your love of the old team name, Washington Redskins? You've gone past the point of boring. Just devote an entire show or two solely on your love of the old name Redskins. Label it as such so listeners can choose to skip it so as to not listen to you, repeat yourself, add infinitum. Wally, guess what? There's a fast forward button on the show right now. You can fast.

I'm sure you're pleased that we read your email, but you can fast forward right through this. Because you know what, Tommy? We do offer a buffet of choices. I mean, every day is... It's a menu of excellence. It is a menu of excellence. The other day, we went from Name Talk to Terry Talk.

to stadium talk, to Tommy ripping some wizards bloggers, to serial killer talk with Mind Hunter, to Jane Mansfield. I don't even remember where we went the other day. That's just a few of the items on the buffet. You have lots of choices, Wally. You don't have to listen to the name talk. This, though, Tommy from Perry.

Perry writes, Kevin, I can't tell you how much I appreciate the way you, you and Tom discuss the name and branding of our football team. It's thoughtful, smart, and most importantly, it connects emotionally with the fan base. I'm watching the team with a different feeling than I had in the past, but I'm listening to you and Tom the same way I always have. Great show and thank you. Well, thank you, Perry.

That's very nice of you. It's very nice of you. And very right, too. Very accurate. Well, you know, I don't know about the thoughtful and smart part. But I do think when it comes to this issue that there is some emotional connection. As, you know. From you, not from me. Yeah.

And this is with the pushback I always get from P. I wrote about the name this week for the second column in a row. And, you know, people automatically assume I'm against the name. I have a personal interest against the Dave. No, you don't. And I really don't care what they're called. Yeah, I know. But you've also, I mean, you understand the emotional part of this.

Yes, I do. Because of what you do, you realize that people like Wally couldn't be further from the truth. Like, name talk days are number two on the list in terms of passion. Like I said the other day, those are layup days. They're second only to post-game shows on Monday in terms of the passion and the response that we get. Trust me, and I didn't do radio on Monday.

Everybody that did radio on Monday, it was like, we don't have to, we got our Monday when Trump put those tweets out. Anyway, there you go. That's the name talk for the day. That's it. I do want to talk about the stadium because I know you followed this. Well, maybe you didn't yesterday.

You were indisposed yesterday. Yes, I was in the hospital yesterday. Yes, you were. So yesterday, City Council Chair Phil Mendelsohn put out a tweet and then held a press conference, essentially taking a victory lap for getting a deal done with the team. I think we saw one of those back in April. Yeah. And, you know, it was interesting because I don't know if you read the tweet or watched any of it.

I mean, there's clearly some bad blood between the city council and the mayor's office. Or maybe it's just Mendelsohn because. No, there is. Yeah. There's bad blood or definitely political rivalry. Yeah, no doubt. Because, you know, he was raising his arms in a V and touting. all of this stuff and, you know, I got us the deal that really, you know, you guys should be focused on.

And maybe he did. I mean, I've seen some punchback on some of his numbers. It's like they're, you know, here's the thing. Let me just, I'll get to why it's a little bit different than I thought it was yesterday in a moment. But let me just make this point and see if you agree with me. 15 years from now, 10 years from now, five years from now when the stadium opens, one person's going to get credit for it more than anybody else when it comes to anybody not associated with the team. And that is Mayor Bowser.

I don't see 15 years from now. Sharon Pratt Kelly, her name exists because she chased Jack Kent Cook to Landover. And I don't see how Mary... Is it really fair? Because Marion Barry could have closed the stadium deal with Cook. The talk started long before Sharon Pratt Kelly became mayor. And Marion Barry didn't get a deal done either.

Right. But do you agree with me that Mayor Bowser will get credit for this? Yes. Yes, I do. Let me add. I think she deserves a lot of credit for this. And she'll deserve a lot of credit for keeping the Wizards and the Capitals and Ted Leonis in D.C. as well. But anyway, so yesterday it appeared as if this vote that will tell you.

take place on August 1st, a week from today, would be it. That's it. You know, the council's going to pass it. They're going to have their seven. I think there has to be a second vote. Yes, that's, that's what I'm getting to. Yesterday, it was sort of presented as we're done a week from Friday. I got you the deal that you guys wanted much better deal. You know, he talked about being pressured to work much faster and he felt the pressure. But, you know, he got it done. Well, I started to read something last night, and I was like, wait a minute, a second vote is required after next Friday.

That vote won't take place until mid-September. So when you have this kind of expenditure, according to, I guess, the city's, you know, bylaws or whatever you would call them, it requires two votes. and you can't vote apparently immediately after the first vote. So the timeline in which this thing will be finalized from a city council standpoint won't be until mid-September. Add to that, Tommy, and I don't know if you saw this part, it's not simple majority vote.

In this kind of tax-structured deal, it requires two-thirds of the city council, which means a week from Friday before the Ward 8 guy gets back and they're only 12 on the city council, it will require eight votes. And then when he gets back in mid-September, they'll need nine votes. Now, I think the votes aren't going to be the issue. I think most people believe that they'll have even the two-thirds versus the simple majority. but I wonder what waiting until mid-September to finalize all of this means to the team. Now, come on.

What? Come on what? Come on. It doesn't mean anything to the team. Okay, explain. A bunch of malarkey. It's not malarkey. I'm wondering.

I said I'm wondering. I didn't say it would mean something or not mean something. I'm not wondering. I'm wondering. So tell me why I shouldn't wonder. I don't think two months is going to make much. difference. Well, it was a big difference before, right? They didn't want

it to go into mid-September. Here's what they didn't want it to do. They didn't want it to last a year like in Philly, so they overreacted. Like Josh Harris' deal for an arena in Philly, it took a year or actually longer

before they finally got the arena finalized and then they backed out of it. But, I mean, look, look, Mark Klaus, the new team president told me. They were used in Philly as a blueprint for their approach here as to what not to do. So they may have overreacted as to the urgency just to hold off on this thing snowballing into something more.

That's my guess. That's not information. Do you know how many people want to put down their deposit for 2031 Women's World Cup? games? I mean, no, look, I don't, I think this is done. I think it's going to happen. I think that we're going to start seeing in the fall what the drawings look like, not the fake ones, but the real ones, and what the stadium's going to look like, what the property is going to look like. I think they're going to break ground at some point I would guess in early 2026. I just thought it was interesting that nobody really discussed.

yesterday. I mean, I read it in, I actually read it in the post story and I was like, what is this? That they, I thought next Friday is it. It's not it. There's a second vote in mid-September. And it's not simple majority. It's two-thirds. But they should have the votes. And mid-September on the second vote shouldn't kill the deal. I agree with you on that. I do. I just thought it was interesting that I don't think most people following this yesterday, understood that it wouldn't be over a week from today. Okay. One other thing on the stadium.

You know, while Phil Mendelsohn was patting himself on the back, but a great deal he did. Yes. Okay, from what I've read, they're getting $50 million from the team in a community benefits fund. Now, this is basically a payoff, okay? This is like the entry,

to come into the neighborhood. You know, we're going to be in the neighborhood, and we're going to give you guys all $50 million to spend on various programs, huge groups, blah, blah, blah, things like that. You know, community groups. Right.

Okay, they got shortchanged on that. In Philly, the 76ers, for an arena that's almost one-third the amount, they got $60 million. Now, that deal went, didn't materialize because the Sixers decided to go back to where they were and be partners with Comcast. But the deal that was passed by the city council that was agreed to by the team included $60 million in a community benefits package for a $1.3 billion facility. I think that the districts could have gotten more money

closer to $75 or $80 million at a community group. So I think they got shortchanged on. That's just the one thing that stuck out to me. One of the things that I was reading last night was whatever they got over and above the original deal was essentially a quid pro quo for this process with the city council to be expedited, for it to get done quickly so that they could move forward quickly and they wouldn't have to wait

any longer. Do you think that's right or not? Here's the thing. Here's the thing. The team wasn't going anywhere. Okay? Virginia, like I said the other day, might as well be talking about El Salvador. And in Maryland...

We know Virginia, yes. But Maryland's a legitimate option. But, but, and I've said, I hate to repeat. myself, but I need to put this in the context of what we're talking about. To be in Maryland would cost the team so much in potential real estate earnings that they were never going to walk away from this DC deal, unless it just became way too long and way too prohibitive. Because now, not only can they reap the benefits of the free land they're getting at RFK to develop, they can turn around and tear down that.

stadium in Maryland, not build another one, but on that 280 right off the beltway, they can develop that for their own purposes. Yes. This from Mark, it's a great deal for the team and they weren't going anywhere. You keep saying that, and I'm not disputing it. I just don't know, and I think if I spent a lot of time and dug into the deal with all the details, I'd have a better and stronger opinion. But you

really made it sound like this is a one-sided beat-down deal that the team is the huge beneficiary of the stadium going into D.C. Yeah, I think it is. I think it is. It's an unprecedented public-private financing deal in the NFL. No other team has ever been handed over real estate to develop and pocket the profits from. So is this a bad deal for the city? I think they could do better. That said, I think the stadium should be in the city. But I think they could do better.

This from... I think that if they had a stronger backbone, they could have stared down the team and still won. I think Trump may have unnerved them a little bit. This from Mark. Mark writes, Kevin, you said on radio this. morning that the new stadium in D.C. would clearly not exceed the city's height restriction. Actually, the height restriction in effect is a 90-foot cap for buildings on residential streets

and a 130-foot cap for buildings in commercial corridors. By comparison, Jerry World is 320 feet high. So the city council will likely make an exception to the height act, as they did for, in the 1950s for the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, which was built in 1959 and stands at 329 feet. By the way, it is myth that no building in D.C. can be higher than the Capitol Dome 288 feet. That was in the original 1890 height of buildings act, which was superseded in 1910 with the current law. I like this stuff. Couldn't find the height of RFK online. I don't know what the height was either. So the planning for the new stadium will likely include discussions about a height exception act, not sure what any of the council members or the mayor might consider

too high. And then by the way, he gets into a name conversation, which we'll just, we'll bail on here for now. But that's a smart email. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I mean, our city looks much different than most cities. That's what I was really... And Trump can use the the DC Art Commissioner or committee to somehow kill the deal too

if the stadium doesn't fit with, you know, the way the city was laid out. Right? I think so. Okay. Anything else on the stadium? No, I think that's it. All right.

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be on Monday. So I think I'm going to go down to Shelley's early next week and have a celebration of eating normal food. And not just normal food at Shelley's back room, you get the best that you're going to find in almost any bar in D.C. Shelly's backroom at 1331 F Street Northwest has a great selection of food on their menu. Their specials this week include the Tex-Mex burger, but this is the one that I would get right here. The buffalo chicken tender sandwich, deep-fried fresh chicken tenders dipped in buffalo sauce, served on the potato Kaiser roll with blue cheese dressing, I would leave off the dressing.

fries and a kosher Bill pickle. If I'm heading down to Shelly's and that special is still there, that's what I'm getting. You can look for the menu online at shelley's backroom.com. Not just for food, but for cigars and drinks as well.

And you'll find the best of all of them at Shelly's back room. Yes, you will. Do you think McKenzie Gore's going to get traded? No. I don't think they'd have the guts. What would be the downside?

When you say they don't have the guts, they're not drawn very well anyway. I mean, based on the fact that they wouldn't trade Bryce Harper, you know, even though they probably knew they had no chance to sign them, and based on the criticism, the huge amount of criticism, they received in the wake of the Martinez and Rizzo's firing for their financial commitment to the team. team. And even though everyone knows McKenzie Gore isn't going to sign here because he's a boris client, he still has two more years to go. I don't think they're going to do that.

Man, there's a lot of, there's a lot flying out there on the internet about how many teams would be lining up for McKenzie Gore. Then we are talking. Then an owner who told us we're real close to competing is telling you that, yes, we just signed a 17-year-old high school kid because we're that far away from competing. Yeah. Today in the NFL, a couple of things. Number one, apparently Caleb Williams, and it's training camp people, but there was a carryover from the spring.

Caleb Williams is not looking good for Ben Johnson's new offense. He's all over the place. He doesn't know. He's getting confused with the plays. There apparently is a real frustration building with Caleb Williams just a few days into camp. I think it should be given some time on Caleb Williams. He did apparently throw a touchdown pass in training camp to Olomidi Zakias. I didn't even know he was in Chicago, but I saw that name.

I'm like, oh, that's where he landed. But there seems to be some growing concern about Caleb Williams. Man, how is it? And let me just emphasize what I always do. It's training camp, okay? Did you see the quote from T.J. Watt? This is a good one. Yes.

Yes, I did. Hold on. I'm going to find it here in a second. But the thing that I was going to say about the Bears is it's crazy that they never interviewed Jaden Daniels. Insane. If that's true, it was reported as true. It's the JJ Watt quote. Yeah, J.J. Watt.

What did I say, T.J. Watt? Yeah. Basically, he said, training camp stats, quote, are insane and ridiculous. used to think it was always just people joking, but now seeing them seriously reported. You have no idea what the purpose of that period is, what the goals are, what the context is, etc. It could be strictly third and long blitz period where, hang on, second. I got it, where every play is skewed to the defense's advantage. Coaches could be asking the quarterback to focus specifically on one route concept.

D-line may be focusing only on bull, rushes one day or just speed rushes the next. More importantly, practicing is for practicing. You're supposed to fail. You're supposed to try new things. See what works and what doesn't work. If you only do what works, you'll never grow, adapt change. The entire point of training camp is to build and grow towards the season so that you perform your best when the real game starts.

But it's really that opening line. Training camp stats are insane and ridiculous. I used to think it was always just people joking. but now I see them seriously reporting it. Yeah, you get that all the time this time of year. But I think the Caleb Williams thing is interesting because it's carryover from spring. Yeah. I don't fault the people putting that information out.

Oh, I don't either. Oh, you don't fault. Oh, yeah, no, because there's a market for it. Yes. Yes. I mean, if you're consuming this information, without a, level of intelligence, then that's where the problem is. Yeah, I mean, Ben was on with me, he's been on with me all week, and he said something the other day about just an absolute

dime that Jaden put on Debo Samuel, and it was just incredibly well thrown. And I said, well, who was handling Micah Parsons on the rush? I mean, isn't that kind of the point? Like, give me a break. But I don't fault Ben for doing this. We say this every summer. There is definitely a market for, oh, my God, Tyler Owens just jumped a pass over the middle, intercepted it from Marcus Marietta. How do we know that part of that period

wasn't for Marcus Moriota to force stuff over the middle or for the defense to know what was, we just don't know anything? Again, how many times if I said we have information, we don't have knowledge. We don't know what we're supposed to be done. Yeah. Yes.

This time of year is so crazy. But to your point, there's a market for it. I see it. Yeah. And I don't know who started this. It's been 10 years or so because it didn't used to be. Social media. Yeah, no doubt.

Yeah. And, you know, yes. And media people realizing if I basically tweet out a couple of videos from seven on seven, people are going to go nuts and they're going to share it and they're going to do all of that. Bless their hearts. My guy Linnell, Trey Amos with a pickoff JD5 in the end zone looked like miscommunication might have been or might have been a great play by Trey Amos or a bad throw by J.D.5.

Who knows? Who knows? Because we don't know what was called or what the plan was, as J.J. Watt pointed out. All right, what's your documentary suggestion? Listen, I will, I've never been more sure of anything in my life about the fact that you will love this documentary. You'll be blown away by it. It's called, what the hell happened to blood, sweat, and tears?

Have you ever heard of you? As in the band, Blood Sweat and Tears? That's in the rock band, yeah. Okay. I'll watch it. I wasn't a big blood, sweat, and tears guy. Just like I was not a big Black Sabbath guy either. Oh, my God.

I just reminded myself, I've got to ask you about Hulk Hogan. Almost forgot. Yes. So go ahead. Tell me how good it is and why. Well, Blood Sweat and Tears, in 1970, they had the number one album in the world. They had the best-selling album. album. It was their second album. It's the one that has all their hits. They had three number

one hits off that album. And it won the Grammy for Best Album of the Year over Abby Road, which came in second. Wow. Okay. So they were huge. They had a great lead singer. Dave David, Clayton Thomas, and they were kind of like them at Chicago were the first two big horn rock and roll bass. Yeah. With a lot of horn. I loved, I really liked Chicago. Chicago. Still do. I like Chicago up until when Terry Cass accidentally shot himself. They kind of lost me to figure that. But this is the story here.

It's about how they were invited in 1970 by the State Department to go on a tour behind the Iron Curtain to Yugoslavia, Romania, and Poland on a musical tour, on a concert tour. The first band ever to go behind that to do this. And the politics that basically destroyed this band's career. Oh, really? I mean, it's a political thriller as much as it is a musical documentary, but the politics of what happened will just blow you away.

What year did they go? What year did they go in play Russia? Wow. They played Yugoslavia, Romania, and Poland. Oh, okay. Not Russia. Okay, but still. Not Russia.

Yeah, Eastern Europe behind the Soviet Union. So this is must see. As far as the political implications, at one point, after they got back from the concert, from the tour, They're giving a concert in Madison Square Garden, and somebody threw at the band, and it landed on the drummer's, one of the drummers' drums, a bag of horseshit. It's a powerful documentary, and it's a riveting documentary. And how this tour started is amazing.

Why they did this. It's just so I'm and I know you love politics. Yeah. So you'll love this. And I love the fact because I'm looking at some stuff right now. The Beach Boys and the Rolling Stones did perform in Eastern Europe during that same period. But blood, sweat, and tears is often cited as the first American rock band. Beach Boys would have been American, obviously, to venture behind the Iron Curtain.

But the Stones played in Warsaw. in 72 it looks like. Interesting. So I recommend that. It's on Amazon Prime. Oh, I don't have Amazon Prime. I don't have Amazon Prime. Don't have Amazon Prime?

I'm kidding. Get out of here. You're bullshit. I have everything. All right. I can't believe that I have, thankfully, I remembered, because I do, I said on the show yesterday, I just don't know enough to talk about Hulk Hogan. and yet I know how significant his passing was yesterday.

So I said, I'll wait until Tom's on and let him talk about Hulk Hogan. So go ahead. Look, Hulk Hogan basically was the tsunami wave that the WWE rode into what it has become. I mean, basically wrestling in the 80s and the 90s, with Hulk Hogan, as the biggest draw went far beyond what wrestling ever had been. It became a cultural phenomenon,

not just something you watched on Saturday afternoon from Washington, D.C. And its influence went far beyond the wrestling ring. People in the 80s on Saturday Night Live,

they only showed Saturday Night Live. They only showed Saturday Night live for three weeks out of the month. The fourth week, they show professional wrestling at 1130 at night instead of Saturday Night Live. Okay. And Hogan was the impetus behind this. He had a huge physique, I mean, a steroid-filled physique.

He was like 6'7, about 300 pounds. He wasn't a very good wrestler. Oh, really? I mean, in terms of, no, no, he was not a good wrestler. he had the moves to excite people, you know, the leg drop, the fifth punching, and all that, but he was not regarded as a good wrestler with wrestling moves, like some guys in the business are. But he was by far the most popular wrestler in the history of a sport at a time when the sport transcended what it had ever become, and I maintain, has been one of the biggest influences

on American culture in the past 20 years. So, Hulk Hogan, now I have a column I'm working on for next week. That's not necessarily, that's not necessarily complimentary of Hulk Hogan, but it's in the context of he's one of the, maybe the greatest heroes of the, the cheated generation. Of the cheated? Cheated? The cheated?

Yeah, the cheated generation are the ones who grew up rooting for Barry Bonds, rooting for Mark McGuire, rooting for Lance Armstrong, watching Marion Jones win gold medals at the Sydney 2000, and then Hulk Hogan. And this is a real trick, because Hulk Hogan was basically a fraud in a business that bates itself on being deceptive. Okay, the whole point of wrestling is being deceptive, but this guy turned out to be a steroid freak. You know, he had this sex tape that came out, which included all kinds of racial slurs and negative racial comments about blacks.

And he turned out to be everything he wasn't that he portrayed. Now, that's not unusual in wrestling. but you know most wrestlers aren't choir boys and they all have checkered pass but this guy had become so big so big so much bigger than just a wrestler uh you know it that the the negative stuff had a much bigger impact as well too and i think most wrestling fans particularly now they've passed on just like they do just like baseball fans try to do with bonds and clemens and, you know, Lance Armstrong fans try to do, they just put their blinders on and ignore the bad stuff.

All right. So you're going to write about them next week? Yes. Next week. It won't be pretty. Next week, we will not be together on this podcast. I am going on vacation. There will be a couple of shows available, though, next week for you to listen to.

If you missed Buzz Williams, Terp fans on yesterday's show. He was really interesting. I enjoyed it a lot. We'll get him before the season starts, but that was the first chance to talk to Buzz. Anything else, Tommy? I got nothing else for you, boss.

I wish you a good time. I wish you the best with that omelet tomorrow morning. It's going to taste great. I'm sure it will. Yes, it is. And get better. I'll talk to you next week. Okay.