The Kevin Sheehan Show - Terry Out + Suter Film

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

Kevin opened with good news/bad news with Jayden Daniels looking good for Sunday against Seattle but Terry McLaurin being ruled out already. Kevin also responded to an emailer who's ready to be a "sel...ler" at next week's trade deadline. Steve Suter jumped on with an extensive and mostly positive "film breakdown" of the Chiefs game. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:20 86690 Nation or Window Nation.com if you need new windows. A good news, bad news day from Ashburn, the park. Bad news first. Terry McClaren out for Sunday night's game against Seattle. He re-injured his quad in the game Monday night against the Chiefs, and Dan Quinn ruled him out quickly this week. He did say he does not think that this will be a long-term loss. We'll see on that. The good news, Jaden Daniels is a full go today and is expected to be a full go all week leading into what is now a very likely. return to action Sunday night against the Seahawks, which leads me to this from Dave in Sacramento. Dave writes a lot, and I appreciate you listening, Dave. He writes, Kevin, it's time to face the reality of the season. They're three and five and would realistically have to go seven and two the rest of the way, including games against the Seahawks, Lions, Broncos, and Eagles twice. Those five games opponents have a collective record of 28 and 10.
Starting point is 00:01:33 We need to win at least three of those games, plus sweep the dolphins, Vikings, giants, and cowboys, hardly a gimmy. It's time to seriously consider becoming sellers at the trade deadline. Bobby Wagner is still playing at a high level in many aspects, and a team like the 49ers may be willing to part with a fifth or a sixth-round pick. There may also be a market for Earths, probably less so. These players are not going to be a part of a championship run for Washington, so it's
Starting point is 00:02:05 time to get what we can, look to the future, and get McGee, Jordan McGee, and Ben Sinit some more playing time to see if they are real pieces to rely upon. It's a tough pill to swallow with such high expectations this year, but they should start gauging the trade market and be prepared to move if the price is right or if they lose again to Seattle. Thanks, love the show. Thank you for that, Dave. So look, Dave, I'm not there yet. I'm just not. I could get there, I guess, if they lose Sunday night to the Seahawks and Jaden were to get hurt again and be in doubt for, you know, the following game or games. If they That happens on Sunday night. Check back with me on Monday morning because I think at that point,
Starting point is 00:02:56 you are staring three and seven square in the face, and that would be a very difficult mountain to climb above. But in this moment right now, because Jaden is most likely going to be on the field Sunday night, wearing, by the way, their championship throwback uniforms for the first time, can't wait to see that. But as long as he's playing, they have a chance. They've got a chance. to get back into this thing as long as he's playing. You laid it out. I've talked about three of the next four, but Seahawks, Lions, Broncos, Eagles twice.
Starting point is 00:03:32 That's five games. They need probably three of those and then to sweep dolphins, Vikings, giants, and cowboys. And that would get them to seven more wins, 10 and 7 overall. And that would certainly put them in the hunt for, you know, the division, maybe even the seventh seed as a wild card. You know, right now the 49ers are the seventh seed in the NFC.
Starting point is 00:04:00 They're five and three, and that's a banged up football team as well. But as long as Jaden is playing, I think they can win football games and several of them. So I'm not giving up on this season, not yet. Look, it also really sucks that Terry is out again. And real quickly on that, I don't have a hard, you know, unmovable opinion on whether or not his holdout and his missing camp is why he's injured. I don't know how anybody could. It's possible that he's got a soft tissue injury because he didn't get into, you know, tremendous football shape over the summer. but there's no way to prove it.
Starting point is 00:04:51 It just stinks that he and Jaden have played a total of two games together this year. That's it. And as far as the blame game goes on that, we spent an entire summer and we've spent other days since the season began talking about it. That is a hard, unmovable opinion for me. To me, the blame for Terry not being in camp for at least some of it falls mostly on Terry and his agent. There are plenty of players who play final years of contracts and don't get offers and don't hold out. I'm not saying that if the team didn't go to him with a negotiation to extend him, that he wouldn't have held out anyway and demanded a contract extension,
Starting point is 00:05:46 because I understand the position he was in. This was going to be his last real opportunity to cash in. But like I said, all summer, all spring and summer, but really when we got into the summer and really when it started with him holding in and then holding out and then demanding a trade, I think that he and his agent were delusional as to what they thought Terry was worth. And I thought the team, and this is not tongue in cheek, was being incredibly generous by going to Terry and saying, we like you enough, we want you back enough, we appreciate you enough that we're going to offer you a contract extension before your contract is up. And we're going to offer you, you know, I thought it would be in the 50 million guaranteed, came in a little bit lower than that at 45 million guaranteed.
Starting point is 00:06:36 but we're going to offer you, you know, lifetime generational money for the second time and really the last time that you'd have access to this. And we're going to give that to you because we think that you can help us now. And we think that you can help us maybe even beyond this year and next. And if it ends up being three years or four years that you end up contributing in a major way, you'll end up making what you wanted to make from this deal. You know, they have an upside built in if Terry ends up performing beyond it. But you're not going to get me to move off of that one.
Starting point is 00:07:14 I put most of the blame for him not reporting to camp and not being a part of the summer on him and his agent, more so than on the team. I do know this, by the way, you know, while I don't know if his missing camp is the reason for his quad injury. I do know this. And to those of you that would say, you know, no excuses, next man up, the injuries are not an excuse. Their injuries are the number one reason for their current record. They're not excuses. They are reasons. It's not an excuse. It's a reason. The number one reason. I mean, if you're, you know, one of those knuckle-draggers that grunts and mumbles about excuses when people like me talk about injuries, I can't help you. You know, this must be your first time watching the NFL this year. It's all about injuries in the NFL year and in year out.
Starting point is 00:08:20 The number one determining factor in winning seasons is quarterback. Do you have a great quarterback? Number two is injuries. How healthy were you? Those are the two top determining factors on wins and losses, records. And as of right now, eight games into this season, for this team, injuries are the number one reason why the team isn't better than three and five. It's not just that they've had a ton of injuries, it's who's been injured. Okay, the starting quarterback, he's missed three games already, their best player. The number one wide receiver and arguably the team's second best player is going to miss his fifth game this Sunday night, Terry McClure. Your best defensive player this season, Dorrance Armstrong, has basically missed two games already because he got hurt very early in the Dallas game and he's going to miss the rest of the season. So you're going to be missing the guy that was playing the best of.
Starting point is 00:09:27 on defense for practically 11 games. Your best offensive linemen, you know, at least in the offseason, Sam Cosmy has already missed six games. Your other starting defensive end, by the way, will miss 14 Dietrich Wise when all is said and done. Your next best two receivers, Debo's already missed a game, played injured in another one. Noah Brown has missed seven already with at least one game more that he will miss. Your most value. Your most value, running back, you know, before the season started, was Austin Echler, you know, the versatility, et cetera. He's missed almost every game. Your most valuable run-blocking tight end, John Bates, a starter, has already missed, what, two games, three games maybe. And the guy that you brought in
Starting point is 00:10:16 in free agency to start to replace a valuable player last year, Will Harris, he's done for the year after playing just a few games. And now, by the way, Tunsel could miss a game. He was out at practice today. I just gave you, if you count Tunsel missing a game, 12 starters, guys that you relied on as massive, massive huge contributors that have missed games and in some cases are done for the year. That is an absolute factor, the number one factor for where they are. It's not that they just lost a lot of backups and a lot of reserves or one guy was nicked up here and missed a game and, you know, you lost two special teamers. No, 11 to 12 starters and heavily relied upon contributors.
Starting point is 00:11:12 I didn't even mention, you know, the four or five or six other players that, you know, contributed something that have missed games. Not starters necessarily, but contributors. The point is it's not. just been a run of injuries. It's been a run of injuries to their most valuable players. They're three and five because of that more than anything else. But back to the good news, their very best player is back for Sunday night, it would appear. So I'm not bailing on the season yet. I'm not willing to think about selling by Tuesday at 4 p.m. Also, you know, realistically, you know, Dave, you threw out the Wagner thing for a fifth or a sixth.
Starting point is 00:11:58 I don't know. Duran Payne actually would be the guy with a year left on his deal, but really needs to be renegotiated. You know, it doesn't have to be, but, you know, could he bring back a fourth? I mean, you don't have a Montez sweat kind of a situation. You know, Wiley, Allegretti, Von Miller, Wagner, Duran, Ertz, you're just not in a position to get a haul. If you want to say, you know, if they ended up coming to the conclusion, let's say after Sunday night,
Starting point is 00:12:29 let's say they got hammered and Jaden got banged up again, you know what? It's just not our year and we're going to be missing the starting quarterback for another game or two against Detroit the next game. That's more likely than not three and seven and not mathematically eliminated, but for all intents and purposes, practically eliminated. You know, let's see if we can accumulate some, you know, two or three late. round picks. Okay, fine. But I'm not there yet. Sunday night is big.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Sunday night is, feels like code red, feels like must win, but, you know, three of the next four are the key. Somehow getting three of the next four. The problem with losing Sunday night is your next game is against Detroit.
Starting point is 00:13:15 You know, I was looking at some updated, you know, now that we're eight games into the season, some of the advanced numbers, and I love the DVOA number. I think it's the all-encompassing evaluation of teams and teams units, offense, defense, special teams. Washington, Seattle's the number two team in the league per DVOA, and Detroit's number three, and that is their next two games.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Indies number one, Seattle's two, Detroit is three. Believe it or not, and this is, you know, one of these DVOA, things that don't make a lot of sense. Believe it or not, Washington is 11, an overall DVOA. Now, I'll tell you this, right now, Washington's the second best special teams ranking in the league, Seattle's number one, and their offensive DVOA is 16th. So I don't know how they end up at 11th, but, you know, the more important thing about looking at DVOA is that Seattle's number two and Detroit's number three on this list. And by the way,
Starting point is 00:14:29 Denver's number eight. So they play three of the top eight teams in the league in the next four games. And I'm telling you that they have to win at least two of those three and get the one against Miami in Madrid. All right. I was going to talk about the Wizards game last night. They blew it, 16-point lead going into the fourth quarter. It actually grew to seven. team. I was kind of watching it just to see. I think Alex Sar has shown a lot. I think Kaishan George is shown a lot. I think Trey Johnson's shown a lot. But man, they just don't have defenders. That is for sure. They blew a 10-point lead in the final two and a half minutes. And yeah, that's all I got on the Wizards. All right. Baseball game tonight, 2-2, Game 5 after
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Starting point is 00:20:09 It's film breakdown time. Steve Souter is back. Once again, turning it around very quickly after a Monday night game against the Chiefs. For those of you just tuning in, Steve, one of the greatest punt returners in the history of college football. He calls all Maryland football games with Johnny Holliday on the Maryland Football Radio Network. The Terps, by the way, welcome number two and undefeated Indiana to College Park on Saturday. and Steve just started doing these film breakdowns for us after week two, the Packers game, and he's phenomenal. I've sent you some of the emails and some of the tweets I've gotten.
Starting point is 00:20:53 Here's another one from Devin. Devin writes, Sheen, you've never read any of my emails, but since everyone's so into the new film guy, I'll try again. The new Terps film guy is better than Cooley. keep it up. Thank you for that, Devin. Look, as much as I love Steve, and this has been incredible, Coolie's the goat.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Sorry, Steve. He's the goat when it comes to film breakdown. But I have to start with this. The first week you did it against the Packers, you said, there's just no way Brandon Coleman and Nick Allegretti can play, man. They got to do something there. The next week, both of them were benched. Last week you said, you know, with Dorrance Armstrong gone,
Starting point is 00:21:41 and I broke the news to you when you were devastated. A lot of people loved that reaction, by the way, because it was in real time, and you just said, oh, no, not him, because you loved Dorrance Armstrong. And then you just said, well, 55, Jacob Martin now is their best pass rusher. And on Monday night, he's got two sacks and multiple pressures. And by the way, they're raving about Jacob Martin out there, a guy that literally nobody had heard of two or three weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:22:11 But anyway, Steve's back after a tough loss. But that's what we do here. Steve gives us his overview of the game. Then we do the quarterback breakdown. This week it will be Mario-Ota. And then he gives us the top three and bottom three offense and defensive grades. And then he empties out the notebook, whatever is in his notebook that he hasn't gotten to. or I haven't asked about.
Starting point is 00:22:37 So let's start with the game. Well, let me start actually by saying I haven't done this yet in all the weeks. You've been very nice to read those emails to me. And obviously it makes me feel good that people are enjoying this. But I haven't thanked anybody after you've read this email. So for everybody that is tweeting you, sending you DMs and whatnot, I really appreciate the positive feedback. One of the reasons I agreed to do this is because I enjoyed listening to you and Cooley.
Starting point is 00:23:05 and it was for the reasons of I'm a guy who plays football, played it, and understands the game. So I really enjoyed listening to Cooley talk football language. And I wasn't even following the team then, but I would join it just to hear a football conversation. So when you approached me, I thought to myself, why I listened just because I liked listening to Cooley and talk football? So why not give some other people the same chance to have that opportunity?
Starting point is 00:23:31 So let me just get that away by saying thanks. Well, look, I mean, this is an amount of preparation and devotion to doing this that I don't think a lot of people recognize. Look, I'm not going to bore everybody, but this is hours upon hours, and Steve has like a real job. And so this is really, you know, dedication and it's much appreciated, you know, coming back to you. And this was an interesting game, right? I thought they played pretty well. Like I was more encouraged coming out of this game than I was after the Dallas game. What did you think?
Starting point is 00:24:12 Right. Yeah, so this might, I had, I was thinking, what's my opening line that I have to plan for? I usually like this to be organic, but there was just this vibe when I was watching the game. And I'm going through the all 22. And it's like you're watching it and you're thinking, man, averable performance defensively. didn't make a whole lot of blunders like they've been doing guys, like you mentioned Martin, that I mentioned, that I really liked him in the Giants game.
Starting point is 00:24:38 He kind of went away because they were moving different passers. But he is the best passhresser now that Armstrong is gone. I mean, you saw how hard he was playing. Other guys were trying to step up, it seemed. And so it felt like the game could have been closer. Maybe there was other opportunities to make the game close. Maybe he had a deep chance. But then my gut said, you never had a chance.
Starting point is 00:24:58 and it's weird to watch a game and have those same feelings, but it was watching a Chief's team take advantage of when Washington would make a small mistake on defense. They would take advantage of it. They were the team that was always going to make the big play on third down. Washington wasn't. So from that aspect, you've never really had a chance. The defense is, but I'll start there, right? Played outrably, had some good plays.
Starting point is 00:25:24 For a team that gave up 28 points, I don't have that. many, like, failing grades on plays. There's a couple obviously sprinkled in here for obvious reasons, but it's not what you would think. So guys are playing standard football, professional B-level football, just not being able to make that better play on a given play on a big third down to cause him to punt. Right? So that's evident. She's probably other than Lattimore's interception, which is a hell of a play in his best play of the season, it's hard to pick off a back shoulder fade like he did, really good reactions with his eyes and then reflexes with his hands to get you handle that football and make it play. Other than that, the Chiefs really should
Starting point is 00:26:10 have scored every possession. They were moving the ball and that's evident they don't punt until the fourth quarter with four minutes left. With the game over. Yeah. Right, with the game over. And then I guess you can say their next best possession defensively was 58 seconds left in their first half. Right. And they don't allow them to get into field range. So other than those two possessions, chiefs are just moving the ball and they're not doing it in these crazy big chunk plays. Yeah, they got a couple, the Cooley one where he leaks out. We can get into
Starting point is 00:26:38 that later specifically, but it was more of, we're going to take six yards here, we're going to take four yards here, and then Mahomes kind of... The Kelsey one, the Kelsey one you were to say. That's what you meant. Yeah, the Calci one, yeah, what was like a 37-yard. Right, yeah, right. You said Cooley. You said Cooley. You know, let me just
Starting point is 00:26:56 Let me just insert real quickly. Kelsey, about two or three months ago, Cooley calls me and he says, yeah, just spent the weekend with Travis Kelsey. He came out here and fished with me for a few days. And I said, well, was Taylor Swift there? He goes, no, she was nowhere to be found. But Kelsey, and I guess one of his best friends went out and hung out with Cooley for a weekend in Wyoming and fish. But anyway, yeah, you had Cooley on the mind. You were talking about Kelsey, but continue. you. Yeah. Yeah. So Kelsey, when he leaks out, they're a max protection on that play. They are taking a shot. They only had two receivers going out on the route, and they're trying to take a steam ball to the worthy and the CEDE if he could out run the defense. But Reeves, who is playing free safety on the play. Plays it well. He stays on top of worthy. They can't get it. Mahomes reads it. But they're max protection. There's only two people that are going out for route. And then Wagner, technically in man coverage on Kelsey there, he gets lost. He shuffles around and try to cover. juju comes out of the line of streamers because juju is blocking he's in there as a blocker they're trying to just match protect and take a shot and then they just get lost in the shuffle
Starting point is 00:28:03 the plays take it too long because the pass rush isn't there on that play you got some guys taken off i'm sure you can guess which one i'm talking about and then Kelsey just leaks out and gets the 37 yards but to get back to the overall view defensively they just they just couldn't make that play i didn't i didn't have a problem schematically what they were doing. They switched up man coverage. They played some zone too. They locked down man coverage. You and I have had a lot of conversations about their communication and when teams put them in motion. Can they pass off guys and how well they do that? Well, they did it adequately. And we have some clips to get into where they still blow the coverage. I want you to see. But for the most part,
Starting point is 00:28:46 held up to who they were supposed to cover, just couldn't always cover them. And then when the chiefs figured out they were going to do that lock man coverage, then they started to just going up plays where they'd get little picks. They'd have a guy that would cross the curve over two guys. So we're going to make sure you're passing off right or you're locking. But if you're locking, you're going to be trailing the receiver. And that's when you were seeing Rice catch a ball for like eight. And were they catching a ball for six?
Starting point is 00:29:11 And they weren't, you know, they're not gashed them, but they're just slowly just taking advantage of what you're going to play. And they were just smarter about it offensively from a play call standpoint. And so you were just never in the game defensively, even though it looked like you were in the game. You got the gift of Kelsey dropping the ball right in the waggers' hands. So you got that gift. Well, you traded that gift offensively on your first possession with Debo when he dropped that pass.
Starting point is 00:29:36 So it's funny. I didn't watch the first possession live on TV. I just wasn't ready to sit down and watch again. And so I'm watching, and I never actually saw what happened on that possession. Now I'm breaking down the film and I'm watching the first drive. And watching looks fantastic. There's six yards here, seven yards here. then Mario to drop us back.
Starting point is 00:29:54 You take it. You take it to look deep. Doesn't have it. He's checking down, and they're just having no problem move the ball down the field. And in my brain, I said, how the hell do they not score this possession? And then I see the divo play. I'm like, oh, my gosh, it's bounce off his face. And they get a pick out of it. So that was frustrating. I could only imagine as you were watched it live. They were marching the football down the field.
Starting point is 00:30:16 And so I'll just transition from there to all fence. offense. I had no issues really with scheme. I had no issues with play calling. I thought what they were trying to do against the Chiefs was working and it was sprinkling run. I'd like the call runs with Marriota. I thought they were timely and they should have worked. However, it was a position or two that were letting down their blocking responsibilities and those should have gone for six or seven yards and they end up going for one or two. And that happened periodically throughout the game. I'll tell you one thing that was really glaring for me was the tight end position for Washington as a whole
Starting point is 00:30:54 and Ertz, Bates, and Sinat. Is that right? Sinat. Yeah, it's fine. Cinnett. All right, sit it. So they struggled as a position blocking, and it was shocking because Bates has been really good for most of all the games that I've watched. He had an offer against the Chiefs.
Starting point is 00:31:15 A lot of the blocks that he was responsible for were maybe the most important block on the play. You're trying to run an off tackle. You're trying to run a sweep. He's the guy who's got to seal the edge, and he was just whiffin. So a lot of those runs that got blown up, and you're like, why can't we run the ball? The tight end position really let the offensive scheme down in the run game.
Starting point is 00:31:35 For sure, it was shocking how many bad raids I had to give them because it seemed uncharacteristics from the games I've watched. But offensively, no problem with the game plan. and they just couldn't make the play when they needed to. I thought, and you would know better than me, you're on the fourth down to Earths. I saw it in passing. It looked like a first down to me. I didn't watch all the replays.
Starting point is 00:31:58 I'm sure you did. I thought it was a bad spot, but I learned something this week, and that is that fourth down, unsuccessful fourth downs are automatically booth reviewed, like turnovers and touchdowns. And so that was booth reviewed, and they didn't change the spot. It's not like Quinn had the option to challenge it. But yeah, in real time and then on the replay, I thought it looked like he had, you know, gotten to the line, you know, to the first down marker. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:27 Yeah, I agree. I was on the same phase there. I thought that should have been a first down. So I like the call going for it there. I like the next call going for a fourth down too. That's one of Mariotta's bad plays in my book where I dinged him on it. He made a mistake there. He thinks he should have saw that it was getting covered zero.
Starting point is 00:32:45 he got cover zero. And he's got Ertz running a slam right across the field. That, to me, on the fourth and once that's been in your first look. And instead, he's not on the same page of what Terry's doing. Terry's running a little tight corner route, a little bench route to the sideline. And it certainly seemed like Mariotta's on the same page. And then he gets caught and he just throws it away. So that was a flaw for Mariotta that I marked down.
Starting point is 00:33:08 You've got to be more aware of that situation. Cover Zero. You take Ertz right off the jump. I'm not saying you don't go aggressive. I'm a fan of going for deep on fourth and one. But if you're going deep on fourth and one, you better be on the same page as your receiver. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:22 And so for me, I think that's a Mario de Mistick. Maybe Terry has run the wrong route there. I doubt it. I don't think he's going to run the wrong route there on a cover zero when he's running a corner. Maybe that's something they've talked on practice that I'm not on the same page. So that was a net for Marcus there.
Starting point is 00:33:39 But only coaching issue I really had was towards the end of the game. down 21, right? 287 with six minutes ago, you let the punt. After Ertz drops the third down pass. Right. And then you punt. I don't understand punting there. Down 21 with six minutes to go.
Starting point is 00:33:55 You got to go for the win there and keep the ball in your possession. That's just my philosophy. Because if you're not going to go for the win with six minutes and 28 seconds left, down 21, then why are you going for the win with a minute left after you get the ball back down 21? and you're in hurry up two-minute offense.
Starting point is 00:34:15 That doesn't make any. You're getting to a point in the game that I think, you know, I think everybody understood that it was over down three touchdowns, but it's so interesting that you said that because I actually said, you know, I understand you're down 28-7. Terry got injured. Ken Laugh got injured. Terry, by the way, is out for the upcoming game.
Starting point is 00:34:38 He re-injured his quad. And so I was like, Like, you know, for me, it's like I'm going to at least burn through all three of my timeouts. I want the ball back. Who the hell knows? I mean, you get a quick one and you get an onside kick. And then, I mean, it's not going to happen. And maybe they just wanted to get the hell out of Dodge at that point and not get anybody else, you know, hurt.
Starting point is 00:35:01 And they kind of approached it that way, you know, with with punning the football on that drive. And then, you know, why are you in two minutes when you get it back with a minute to go? that then that's where I that contradictions you want to get out of there that's fair that's fair that's fair that's totally fair you're going two minutes and you're going to hurry up and what do you oh so you couldn't score
Starting point is 00:35:24 21 you couldn't get eight yards on a fourth and eight to try to score 21 with six minutes left but you're willing to try to score 21 with a minute left I don't I don't agree with that what's the what's the point of losing 287 versus 357
Starting point is 00:35:39 no point no point No, you just made the best point. Yeah. They're punting from their own 36-yard line down 28 to 7, and then they get the ball back again with two minutes to go, and they're going hurry up. So if they really wanted to get the hell out of Dodge and not get anybody else injured, they wouldn't have been throwing the football,
Starting point is 00:36:02 and they would have been huddling up, you know, and legitimately running the clock out, and they didn't do that. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's just a mask, right? You're just masking that you don't want to show. that we're giving up. So let's have to go two-minute here for public appearance.
Starting point is 00:36:15 But in my opinion, you already told me you gave up with six minutes to go. Yeah. So that's how I read that situation. Yeah. You know. So that was the only frustrating part from a coaching standpoint. That's on Dan Quinn. He's the one making a call there a go or no go.
Starting point is 00:36:29 But offensively, from the coordinator standpoint, I thought Kingsbury was calling a good game. He just didn't get the execution that he wanted sometimes on offense. I mean, I'll dive in to Marriott. I thought Marriota was really good. He had another one of those solid starter games that you count from from your backup. I have very few plays that he is negatively graded, and one of them is what we talked about, the fourth of one. I gave him a negative grade on that.
Starting point is 00:36:58 He should have been more prepared on that fourth and one. I gave him a negative grade. He threw a really bad ball on third, excuse me, De Debedo way over his head on an overrout. Should have been at least given him an opportunity to make a play. then he has a couple other ones. Let's see here. He misses a reed to Debo late in the game for, let's see here.
Starting point is 00:37:18 I think it's fourth quarter or third quarter. He had a chance to give it to Debo on a corner route. He decided to check it down to McNichols. McNichols doesn't get any yards after the catch, but I can understand him going to McNichols there, but still I thought he could fit it into Debo. And then two other negative plays. He's got to take, let's see, Marriich.
Starting point is 00:37:39 He gets cover zero. again and he doesn't read it. Oh, I got it. Remember, so he reads, he thinks he's getting cover zero. This is in the fourth quarter. And I can go to the play. Yeah, let's go to the play. Let's go to the play.
Starting point is 00:37:53 Have we moved on from the overview from the game and we're now doing Mario-Ota? Yeah, I'm ready to dive in. Okay. Okay, fine. Where in the fourth quarter? So go to a 50 seconds, 57 seconds. I'm sorry, it might be third quarter. 57 seconds.
Starting point is 00:38:08 Wait, left in the game? No, that third quarter, sorry, third quarter, 50. Got it, got it. Okay. Yep. Yeah. So he, this is just a pre-snap. He gets tricked here.
Starting point is 00:38:19 He thinks he's getting cover zero. He comes up to the line of scrimmage and he makes his cover zero check, which is this wire screver screen to McCaffrey, which could really gut a cover zero. But he gets tricked here. It's not cover zero. They drop back into two man. So this play is dead. Nearly picked off.
Starting point is 00:38:39 Yeah. But, yeah, this play's dead because now not only does this corner not care about McCaffrey going deep because he's got covered two safety behind him, but he's in two men. So now he's pressed on him. This play has no chance of working. And this is all, that's just a matter of a bad pre-snap read. But, I mean, credit the chiefs, right? I mean, they look, if you go back to that pre-snap, they look like they're in cover zero for short.
Starting point is 00:39:01 No safety. Everybody's up on the line of scrimmage. And you probably, I can't see the playcock here, but once he makes the audible and, he sends McCaffrey out here to run this wire receiver screen probably doesn't have time to realize like, oh shit, I made the wrong call here. The safety is deep. This ain't going to work. So that was another one of his negative plays.
Starting point is 00:39:21 What about the next play? I was going to ask you about the next play, which is the third and 11 sacks, since you're right there. Yeah. Because there's a, you know, there was a bit of a debate. Is it Connerly or Cosme? I actually think I know what the answer is, but. I'm going to let an expert answer. So go ahead.
Starting point is 00:39:43 Because that's not on Marioota, correct? No, this is not a Mariota. And if you take your eye off the sack, right, take your eye off this sack. Don't even pay attention to that. Because I know that's where you should go, and that's where I would go. And the play dies because you stack. But he's got nowhere to go with the football anyway. He's probably got to check this down the Debo.
Starting point is 00:40:03 Right. And you're going to get four or five yards. But, yes, it's still a big play. And you have to. So I did watch this several times. because without being in the huddle, it's very hard to determine where the past protection should go. But my common sense says and my years of experience say this is on Cosme, because you do not leave two down linemen unblocked. And he's, he is leaving a three technique on block when there's also a five technique.
Starting point is 00:40:30 Because you don't have Debo into block. He chips him, but he's not responsible for part of protection. So Connerly, if Connerley goes left here and ships left and they all slide left, who's going to block the D.N? Nobody. So it's going to be a free run on Marcus, and he's going to get it blown up. Connerly has to be blocked in the end. And so the only person here who could be blocking that three technique is Cosme. So they must have called their protection to Beiotich goes left in case they bring three from that side, and Cosme has to take that three technique.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Interesting. I saw four guys slide left and one slide right and assumed that it was Connerley. Yeah, but then that would mean you're leaving Debo to block this D.N. 1-on-1, which you would never do. Or what you don't see is McNichols, the running back, say you did that and say you want to slide all five linemen left, then McNichols has to come across the formation and pick up the team. Yeah, good point. And he doesn't do that either. Yep. So this one's definitely Cosby.
Starting point is 00:41:36 And then when I was watching it, and I even watched, when I was watching this in real time, and I'm not saying you need to change his philosophy, but if you have Cosme, he's the one that keeps looking back at Marcus to tell the audits were ready to hike the ball.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Yeah, I saw that. It puts them in it, I would think it puts you in a little bit of a disadvantage as the linemen because you're not staring at the defense. And then maybe, I don't know, just an added element that gets some, confused because you're just like, how do you get this wrong? You know, you can't just,
Starting point is 00:42:07 you can't get this wrong. Right. And he does. And you can tell, you know, Marcus is pissed because you never get sacked by a free, deep tackle. Yeah. I mean, I, I was dead wrong. And, and I, on radio today, I said to me, because people were like, whose fault was it? And then I went back and I, you watch it from the end zone view and you see the line sliding left and Connerly sliding right. But to your point, If that's the case, then McNichols has to be on the right side of Mariotta, not on the side in which they're sliding. And you always try to put pass protect, if you went big on big. So most of the foundation of your path protections are linemen on linemen.
Starting point is 00:42:51 If a running back's got to be involved, you're picking up a linebacker. And so that too is just another foundation. You're never going to leave a guy in a three-point stance, meaning. 56 here, George, Georgia, Corlopis here, you're not going to leave him on block. And you're not going to tell Debo, your chip better be good enough. Now, Debo's chip is fantastic. He knocks him on his ass. Right.
Starting point is 00:43:16 So it's a really good chip. But that's not in the past protection scheme. So this is on COB. By the way, on 3rd and 11, they're probably going to take that check down just to get into 4th down and makeable. You know, they're probably thinking two downs there because they're down 21. seven. They're probably not going to kick a field goal. They haven't kicked a field goal all night. They've got the backup, you know, the practice squad kicker. I don't even know if you knew that. I did not. Yeah. So, interesting. Okay. Continue.
Starting point is 00:43:47 You are going to have to hit that checkdown. Because they're running zone routes here. You got McCaffrey, just running a little curl. You got Urch just curling over the ball. But they're manned up, so none of them are open. But yes, you're going to take that dump and you're going to go for him fourth down. Right. And it's a shame that Cosby blows a protection there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:44:06 What's next with Mariotta? Let's see here. Well, I say what was good. So I'm trying to point out his flaws there. He already talked about a couple of those. Before you get to the positives, if you don't have another, you know, flaw, I want to ask you about one play.
Starting point is 00:44:21 But do you have other plays that he didn't do well on? Let's see. I mean, we could check out the Devo. We could check out the Devo go to 243 in the third quarter. Okay. And I think he misses an opportunity here for a first down, 243. Yeah. I mean, he's got a strong enough arm here.
Starting point is 00:44:40 He can fit this in. It's covered two, and you're high, low in that corner over there. You got, you got McNichols going out to the flats, and they're going to try to high-low. It's Dibeau, right? He's got to hit Debo there. Yeah. I mean, that's just grip and rip.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Yeah. And for whatever reason, that corner is making him uncomfortable, which that looks, that's, That's open in the NFL for sure. Oh, yeah. That's more than... But you're going to take that at the first down and you're moving to change. So I took him down on that one.
Starting point is 00:45:14 The bad ball, we don't have to see. Everybody remembers him throwing it over his head. Yeah. But that's it. But that's it. Like, he didn't do much wrong from a quarterback running the position. I thought his read options, he made all the right reads on his read option. He really only had one or two, in my opinion, true read options.
Starting point is 00:45:33 options or RPO's. I think the others were called designed quarterback run, but the ones that were Reed, I thought he made the right call. He looks a lot better running that quarterback counter than Jaden does. It's just because of his overall build. You don't feel like he's going to get mangled.
Starting point is 00:45:51 And it's just, well, it starts from the brain. I think he makes the right read. So his instincts make the right read and then he's not getting chased from that guy that they're reading as much as you see J-Libb because he's not Jadian because he's not making the necessarily right decision. Yeah, I'm talking about the third and three.
Starting point is 00:46:08 I'm talking about the third and three QB counter, where it's the designed run where he gets seven yards. I mean, there's no option there. It's, he's running. No, no, that's the ball run. That's what I like those. It could have done more of those. Yeah, interesting.
Starting point is 00:46:21 But you had some plays like, let's let's go to the tight end. Go to 436. 436 in the second quarter. Yep, I'm there. 436 second quarter. You're not going to have to talk on the side on how you get there so quick. I just look at the timestamps on the quarter and go right there. When you give me the timestamp, I'm right there.
Starting point is 00:46:50 Yeah, I must be on the wrong browser or something. So look, you've got two tight ends that are very critical here on this block. Bates and Ertz. and they just they don't touch anybody to watch it from the end zone oh yeah see this is an example of this
Starting point is 00:47:09 this is a suite they're trying to run baits and urge have to set the edge you're the most important block here if you don't set the edge and the pulling guard and the pulling tackle you're pulling two line and you're pulling sorry you're pulling two
Starting point is 00:47:23 guards but if you don't set this edge they can't get around right bait just falls on his face and whiffs yeah and then urge doesn't help them He just owe Lays 56. Well, he's not interested. We already decided that he's not interested.
Starting point is 00:47:38 He's not interested in blogging the box. So they just, that plays shot right there. Yeah. And technically, that should be a double team and they don't even get us. They don't move him off the ball at all. Right. Yeah. And that's second quarter and it's seven nothing and you're, you know, you're driving again.
Starting point is 00:47:57 You know, they end up scoring on this drive. But yeah. No, I get it. These are plays. So go to 231. This is the same drive. Second quarter. Yep.
Starting point is 00:48:09 Yep. Yep. Okay. Yep. Yep. You're going to watch. You're going to watch Bates with again. See Bates goes in motion?
Starting point is 00:48:18 Yep. This is one of the called runs here. This is going to be a pretty decent play. If he just can handle that corner, this is a corner. Oh, God. Yeah. Come on, Bates. You're going out on a corner, and you got actually.
Starting point is 00:48:32 here. So like I call, I like the called run. I like Zach Gertz bypassing the read option guy. He's going to pick up the linebacker, which he does a decent job of, but based this with and on a corner. Oh, and that's if he clears that corner out, Marihota takes it right through, you know, inside the, inside the block. Yeah. Yeah. What, what, um, do you think, you know, this, this is where I, I, I don't know. This looks like zone read, but you've got Ertz. leading the way on the pull. So do you think it's more designed that he's going to pull it regardless, or is he reading the edge?
Starting point is 00:49:14 This one is design run for me. Yeah. This one is designed run. And you see the reason being look at the blocking. So I pay attention to the block and the left side. So you have, I believe that's more. So you have more on top of the formation. he's running a crack.
Starting point is 00:49:34 He's not trying to, if this was a true, like true zone read, he'd be trying to get in and square up that safety because he doesn't know where the ball is going. It could either go inside
Starting point is 00:49:45 or outside. And if that's prepared, you square up a safety, and then if he starts going inside, then you just got to push and wash him. If he tries to beat you outside, then you know Mario to pulled it and you've got to do your best to push and wash him.
Starting point is 00:49:56 But he's running a crack. He's cracking a linebacker inside on purpose. Yeah. So that means, That to me means this is a pool all the way because they're trying to seal that edge. And Bates is kicking out, but he just whiff. And then now go to 154. Same drive.
Starting point is 00:50:15 And guess who it is your boy Bates again. This is three running plays on this drive where he just, he costs the play. Whiff on 56 gets tossed out of the way and he makes the tackle. And you've got guys coming around. this could have action too. But one guy just gets chucked. So Mario has got to go outside when he doesn't want to. What he has to do is 56 right in his face.
Starting point is 00:50:42 Because Cosmi, instead of trying to peel off on 56 because he feels it a little bit, it's just all blowing the shit. Yeah. I mean, that's three out of five plays or bates. He wasn't alone. Ben was missing blocks too, or he was missing blocks. But that was my note, man.
Starting point is 00:50:58 The tight end position for Washington in the run game. really cost them. Well, cost Mario Yoda a lot of yards. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And it's just, I mean, it makes it more difficult. I mean, luckily, like you said, they went on the score that series. But he just, Bates wants this tape erased.
Starting point is 00:51:18 He doesn't want to watch this game. I want to. Those are 203. Yeah, because he's been such a good, you know, blocker. Yeah, he's been good. I mean, it's like an outlier. But he just, he didn't have his best stuff. Before we get to his best plays, Marioada, so the fourth and one, I'm with you.
Starting point is 00:51:37 Yeah, you got to go for it, right? You're not going to, you're not kicking field goals against the Chiefs unless you have to. And I did, I think even, you know, just a fan like me can identify the zero coverage blitz. And it's clearly Ertz, who he's got to go to. Why didn't he see it? I think he did see it. He predetermined I'm taking a shot. On fourth and one?
Starting point is 00:52:04 On fourth and one you're going to take a shot because Terry, the other thing you see is Terry doesn't get a lot of separation that gives you confidence early, right? And another reason I wouldn't do a pre-snap too, because Terry's the one who has the biggest cushion. Erch is second, but this is even more reason he should have gone to Earth. you're going to look here I see cover zero
Starting point is 00:52:27 I think I'm going to okay so let's say he doesn't even think it's cover zero here maybe he doesn't because the safeties are playing I would call that cover four depth they're a little shot little lighter than cover four depth but you got man pressed on the outside
Starting point is 00:52:42 so I would take cover four out of there because it's cover four you're not going to get pressed man on the outside so once you see both middle linebackers and he has to he's got enough experience to feel it. He's got to see that and feel that pressure. He's hot. So whoever they identified as the mic, let's say it's not cover zero in Mario's eyes, but he's hot, for sure.
Starting point is 00:53:05 Because whoever they mark, say he marked 32 or say they mark 23, it doesn't matter because they both blitz. So you're hot. And I just don't think the built-in hot route is going to be Terry. No way. 17-yard corner. No, from the slot, too. Not even, yeah. Your eyes got to come right to Earth, both these little linebackers blitz,
Starting point is 00:53:26 your eyes got to go right to Earth. You see Earth break this off. I bet you this is not, watch Earth. Yeah. That's a two-step slant. I bet you he's breaking it off because he's reading the inside linebacker's blitz. He knows his cover zero.
Starting point is 00:53:39 So he's breaking his route off to beat the hot or sight adjust however you want to call that they're both similar to things. And he's like, he's right, he snap his head around, right for the ball. So he's expecting it to come his way. That's a big miss. That's such an important play because you've already had the Debo interception.
Starting point is 00:54:00 You've already, you know, you've dealt with the fourth and six that maybe got misspotted, although the booth review didn't think so. It's still nothing to nothing. I mean, you've got to score on this drive, have to. But the worst part about the play, though, is if you're going to decide to go to Terry, give him a ball that he can catch. yet you need to know what route he's running. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:26 What is he running? At first I thought it was a double move, but it's not from that position. I mean, like, Parmi wants to say Mario is not this dumb, and maybe it is a double move,
Starting point is 00:54:39 but Terry's not running this like a double move. That's not a double move. If this is a double move, once he plants, you go plant and he go one, two, plant, and he's taking seven steps. He has no desire to come back in a double move.
Starting point is 00:54:53 don't think it's a don't move. Does he not now, this could also be Terry could be the hot route or the site adjust here. And he didn't see it? He doesn't see the blitz and the adjustment route is a go ball. That could very well
Starting point is 00:55:09 be the case here. And so Mario's reading, Hope and Terry's reading it and we're taking a shot. But you factor everything out, fourth and one, the plays the Earth's. You could see Earth's clearly snapped his head around. He thinks he's getting the football. he should be getting the football.
Starting point is 00:55:25 Both middle linebackers blitz. I'm not taking the Terry deep shot here on fourth and one. I agree with you, but I think you just nailed it. Where Mario daisy is throwing that football, he's expecting a go route against zero coverage. It might be why he double pumps it
Starting point is 00:55:43 because he sees him break, but like he double clutches it. Mario dauda does. Yeah. And maybe because he's like, damn, Terry's not going deep. but now he's like, I'm already screwed. I'm not to get decleted. I got to chuck it.
Starting point is 00:55:58 But if you're going to do that, at least throw it back to Terry, you give him a chance. Right. I mean, it might even get picked off, but it doesn't matter. You getting it picked off, save you 12 yards. Perhaps. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:11 That was just, I mean, that play right there that we're going over is my biggest negative play. I have one other one that I want to ask you about, but just sticking with this fourth and one. Against zero coverage, do you ever just, you know, do you have a built, do you have a built in bubble on something like this? Because that's going to work, obviously. You could. So you could do that.
Starting point is 00:56:38 And sometimes you see it where all out blitzes come, the running back doesn't stay in the block. And that's your way of countering it. You're like, all right, you're going to bring seven and I got six to block. we're going to have one extra, you're going to have the better of me. But what if I only block five and I let that running back drift out? Right. Then you see that work.
Starting point is 00:57:00 But I'm talking about it. I'm talking about it just a straight bubble screen. To who? Who you're on the bubble too? Well, I'm not talking about this play in general, but you'll see a lot of times. Well, first of all, against zero coverage, any kind of screen can work, right? It can be the killer to that, to that, to that blitz. You saw Mario, the previous.
Starting point is 00:57:22 play. He thought he was getting zero, so he checked to his screen. Right. And he just, he just got out, you know, chess match there at pre-snap. But if you're going to run a, if you're going to try to be sneaky and you don't know the screen has come, or excuse me, you don't have a screen called. Yeah. He could have a check here to tell Bay Nichols, man, hey, say free release, don't even worry about this blitz. And he could just come right to the flat, because if he does, say, say, say, me, Nichols. Oh, yeah, to the flat. Yeah, to the flat. Yeah. Just come swing out here and I'm a dumb it to you. Nobody's covering you. But what
Starting point is 00:57:56 the chiefs are probably coached on, somebody's going to be responsible for me, Nichols. We're bringing cover zero, but if he free releases, you peel off your blitz and you go cover him. That's definitely what is being coached there. So, you've got to either hope the guy's not paying attention and it doesn't
Starting point is 00:58:12 do his rule, because if he does that, then you're back to where you were or you need somebody to win a man coverage. One more play before you get to Mario's best. The fourth and six, the play before the fourth and six where he gets sacked. Okay, it's 146 of the first quarter. This is, you know, it's third and three, and this play sets up the fourth and six
Starting point is 00:58:37 because he gets dropped for a three-yard loss on the sack. I think there are a couple of things here that happened, and I don't know that any of them are Marioita's fault, even though the first time I looked at it, I thought it should have been out immediately to Debo. But I actually think they're running a little bit of a pick for Terry and Connerley gets crushed and gets...
Starting point is 00:59:01 Is that what it is? Yeah, so this is... They're calling this play. We call this double cross. You got two crossers and you got a solo crosser coming across. So Kingsbury thought he was getting manned coverage here. This is a man-coverage leader.
Starting point is 00:59:15 This is why you call this play. He thinks he's getting man coverage here. He doesn't. Chiefs are in the zone. So Mario does, he sees that they don't run with him. I don't think he has a, I don't think he can hit D with her that quick. Okay. Processing.
Starting point is 00:59:31 He's getting zone here. And then it's just Connerly, just not holding up on the block. Yeah, it's Connerly not holding up. He could potentially still get it out to Terry. He could. By the way, he could if he stepped up and, yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, so you're seeing what I'm seeing too, but I don't, and I don't know who this guy is.
Starting point is 00:59:51 I want to say he's, that might be Bolton, but the guy that Terry's running towards. Yes. He's pinching in because he sees Marioo in trouble. If Mario is not in trouble and he stepped on the pocket, Bolton is just going to step in front of this Terry. I got you. I see. But yeah, it is Bolton.
Starting point is 01:00:08 It's Bolton on the outside. He's not going to have Terry there. By the way, talk about something real quickly because I talk to, I've got a couple of coaches that occasionally will tweet, will text me during the show. You know, one coach pointed out to me, he said, you know, everybody thinks these rubrouts and these picks are exclusively man-beaters. But just like in basketball, Sheehan, you can pick the top of a zone. You can still screen against zone defense.
Starting point is 01:00:37 That's true in football too, correct? Yeah, for sure. The problem is you need, so they just, like, if we're looking at this play, for example, we would have plays where we're going to run this crossers but if it's in zone then you got to sit here you got to sit here you got to sit here right but nobody in Washington is sitting no the only one is thinking about doing it looks like urch is thinking about doing it it looked like he presented himself early because he saw that it wasn't in coverage
Starting point is 01:01:09 you see how he looks like he looks like in mariotta here it looks like he's like hey I'm here if you want it right now because it's not man so he is probably in my book the only one being a little savvy on this play. Right. Give him the quick out. And then if he doesn't want it, he continues on to try to pick for Terry. But nobody else is on the same page. So he's got to wait. And Terry's sit down might not be to the other numbers.
Starting point is 01:01:33 So he's not even at the spot where he's supposed to sit down yet because it's not made. And Debo didn't think about sitting down in that hole. No. No, he's just clearing out too. Yeah. All right. So they just either don't have the reps on his play or they haven't been schemed it to where this. I mean, this could be a don't sit-down play. They're going to run it regardless and maybe try to hit Terry on the other side
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Starting point is 01:07:06 you with Steve. Steve will finish up with Marioada's best plays, Marioada's grade, and then we'll get to top three bottom three offense and defense. So what we've gone through some of Mario's negatives, what about his positives? Positive, I just thought he made a lot of good decisions. Now comparatively the ones that he didn't make cost them on big plays, but he's very consistent mentally. I thought he was poised in the pocket it and when protection broke down, he made plays, whether it was a three-yard scramble
Starting point is 01:07:40 or a four-yard scramble. He ad-lib, kind of like Daniels does. He's a similar type of quarterback, and he utilized that feature. I don't think he left the pocket early ever when he should have, when he had a guy. I mean, we went over a couple where he maybe had options and didn't make the right read, but he wasn't predetermining and leaving the pocket when he shouldn't have. there's not many highlight plays other than the ball to Terry that was cover zero when Terry made the crazy diving catch and got his knee in. I mean, that's his only option.
Starting point is 01:08:10 That's cover zero. It's his only option. He has no other route that's open and he has to just make a prediction ball. I'm going to float this to Terry and hopefully he gets on top because when he throws that ball, Terry's not, he hasn't won yet. So this is just a route. You've got to trust him. It's his only option and he just throws a perfect pass. Right.
Starting point is 01:08:27 So that's, you know, that's a big-time ball and a big-time situation. His first touchdown, I thought, was really good. I gave you credit for that. The ball there was a really good ball. What do you think about that ball? I mean, it brought rain. It was so high. It was crazy.
Starting point is 01:08:45 Yeah. It had to have that touch because Terry's got two guys trailed him. Yeah. But he keeps the pocket alive. I mean, I'll have to go over. They replay the blade 30 times. But it's just staying poised in the pocket, slide outside the pocket
Starting point is 01:08:57 and then you have to throw a perfect touch pass and it's a really it's just a really good athletic play a smaller play I'm going to have smaller plays where I'm like this is a good decision I can go to three minutes 16 seconds in the second quarter this is just
Starting point is 01:09:12 another example of being poisoned in the pocket let me know when you get there third and five is this a little is this a little dump over the line of scrimmage to McNick yeah yeah yeah yeah so he I mean, he wants this front side, obviously. McCaffrey gets jammed as shit off the line of scrimmage,
Starting point is 01:09:30 blows his whole play up. I don't even understand it. Like, watch, like, Earth's route here is, I don't know what he's trying to. He's trying to trick him. Like, he's walking off the line of scrimmage. Like, he's not running a route, and then he tries to show some type of burst.
Starting point is 01:09:45 But it doesn't work. I think he's waiting. He's waiting for McCaffrey to get in front of him to use him as a pick. But McCaffrey is getting locked up. So this plays dead. They want Urch to pick off of McCaffrey's butt. That's dead. Dibo's running a little out.
Starting point is 01:10:01 He's dead because he's not getting open against his coverage. And so all the Marriota can do is by time. And then his brain kicks in and says, oh, yeah, I got McNickles. Excuse me, I got McNickles. It's going to come out here late on my checkdown after he helps. Yeah. So this is just a good poised play. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:19 He doesn't panic. Because he had, I mean, look at him when he slides left, he could run. Yeah, he could run there. Yeah. But he does and he says, oh yeah, I got the check down, let him go get it. So I'd just, I'd like the veteran play there. In watching this play, I'm going to just get to a question right now I have for you
Starting point is 01:10:38 because I watched a lot of these plays in this game. Man, there's just not a lot of separation with their receivers in this game. No, and there hasn't been all year. I'm a broken record on saying I don't think your perimeter guys can't beat man coverage. And the only guy that can get remotely close to it is, in my opinion, is Debo, but it has to be a gimmick. It has to be, he came out of the backfield, or he's in motion, and then he runs an angle, or he does this or does that. But straight man coverage, he struggles, too, unless he's getting the benefit of running an overrout where you don't really have to
Starting point is 01:11:12 show some shake. You just got to get off the ball quick and start going across the field. You're going to struggle that all year. And Terry's included. He just, I know my first game, I was really hard on him watching the Packer game, but he just consistently doesn't show me separation and coverage. I don't think DB's fear him. And he makes plays because he can make a play contested and credit for him for doing that. But it's not a guy where you line up over the ball and you're thinking, oh, no, is he going to run by me?
Starting point is 01:11:41 Or, oh, no, is he going to cut me up on a post corner? Or, oh, no, is he just going to be able to beat me on a 10-yard comeback? Because I think he's going to outrun me. I don't think anybody respects their speed on the outside. So if I'm a DB, my heels are really firm in the ground around 10 yards. And I'm going to say, go ahead, see, you can beat me deep when I'm flat-footed because I don't think you can. And I'm going to be able to break on all your intermediate routes because I'm already anticipating that. And if I'm wrong, I think I have enough speed to catch up to you.
Starting point is 01:12:10 And that's how I would approach playing the commanders all season. I think that's what the DBs are doing. And it makes it even harder. If you're a receiver that can't threaten somebody deep and you already should, struggle to get off press or you already struggled to win me in coverage. And now they're not scared of you doing anything behind them. It makes it even harder. So it just compounds the problem. Yeah, I don't know how... I would say just offensively because I wanted to get this point out, though. You didn't hear or see or there was no signs of Chris Jones. So
Starting point is 01:12:40 you credit the offensive line. I mean, they neutralize the hell out of him all game. He was not a factor. I don't even remember having a pressure. So interiorly, in the interior, line did a really good job. When they moved them outside, they did a good job. And then I would also like to know Coleman. I thought he, we talked about how he wasn't good at guard. I thought he played great coming in for tonsill at tackle. There was really no issues. I didn't have any plays, maybe one where he didn't give Mario enough time. So Averbald step in there. It wasn't much of a drop off. So that was a positive too, just not enough to get the win. Yeah. The, uh, In fact, on this play to McNichols that you showed, I mean, Coleman does a great job on Jones on that play.
Starting point is 01:13:28 It's a long, long, long, sustainable block. I just think that in watching this game and really, you know, what you've said in recent weeks, last week, obviously against the Cowboys without Debo and Terry, but what you described, if you can't threaten a team and you can't make people back up a little bit because they're fearful you're going to run by them or they're not fearful you're going to be able to break them off on on you know a to get separation on a on a medium route it's hard you know last year they had diami brown who was good on bubbles but was also good deep and and there was some respect and terry you know terry ran a four three coming out and we've seen him with some
Starting point is 01:14:14 good vertical speed over the years but i i don't know if it's the fact that you're that, you know, he was coming off this injury, if he missed camp. But Marioota, just like Jaden even against the Chargers, not a lot of options. Not a lot of people, not a lot of people getting open. Look yourself in the scouting department. You're scouting in Washington and that you're going to give a scout report to the DBs next week, whatever team you are. It doesn't matter. You're not one of your scout reports of any of those guys on the perimeter are going to say,
Starting point is 01:14:48 watch out this guy can get you deep. Watch out, this guy can break you off for a 50 yard. Watch out, this guy can take you on a post. That's not going to be any of the biographies of any of these receivers. It's going to be play aggressive, trust your instincts, lock them up. They're not going to get behind you. And if they do, you'll catch them. And you just haven't seen an example of anybody proving up me wrong or anybody wrong from that standpoint.
Starting point is 01:15:13 I mean, Terry, that's a crazy catch on a perfect pass. and he has to dive and the guy's on him. But it's, I mean, it's a really good play. He's a great contested catch guy, and he also really has a great feel for getting, you know, feet down and whatever it needs to get down. Yeah, it was outstanding play, for sure. But you don't have enough of those.
Starting point is 01:15:36 You can't do that consistently throughout the game. It's just not threatening. That's the biggest thing. It's not threatening outside. All right. So what was Mario's grade? Mario is still my highest grade on the team offensively. He led the way I'm not giving him credit for either interception.
Starting point is 01:15:54 It's all on Debo on the first one, and the last one is pointless. Why are we even throwing the football? And Zachard doesn't come back to the ball. That's on him either. So I don't knock him from either of those. Meyer missed cues on the throw. We've already harped on his big negative play. But other than that, I thought he played solid well enough to win for sure.
Starting point is 01:16:14 next on the list was Terry because there's two big players. So what did you? So you had, you had Mario-Ota is the highest-rated player offensively. Offensively. Okay. All right. So let's get to your next two on the offensive top three, as long as we're getting into that.
Starting point is 01:16:32 Yeah, next one goes to Terry. The two big plays you made were just were really big plays. The touchdown was really impressive, getting the feet down. We mentioned it. So he just had two big highlights that just boosted him up into the top. And then I mentioned him, Coleman. I thought Coleman was solid coming in. He was my third highest rated guy.
Starting point is 01:16:50 And no real, I don't think I have maybe one play. I just, I said he didn't perform like he should have. Other than that, a really solid game from him. Those are my top three guys. How close was McNichles to your top three? McNigles was a, he's not. He's actually Chris Paul, Beiotich, Ben Nichols. Okay.
Starting point is 01:17:13 All right. Just see, because I know how much you love McNichols. I like him. One of my notes is I need more McNichols. I really like him. He, he, I don't, obviously, I'm not watching every team like I'm watching Washington right now. Right. So I don't know who to compare him to, but wouldn't shock me if he's one of the best third down backs in the league. And the way he picks up pass blocking and his blitz pick up is phenomenal. And you see he can catch the ball out of the back field and he can shake guys one-on-one and extend plays. he, in my opinion, is exactly what you want a third downback to be. So, yeah, I'm a big fan of him.
Starting point is 01:17:48 So over the last few weeks, we have not talked much about Kroski Merritt. You know, our fan base had him as the NFL rookie of the year on offense a few weeks ago. And now, you know, he hasn't really done much. Just what are you seeing with him? Like, would you, you did say, two weeks ago, after the, Chargers game. When he went for 111, you said, I'm still not handing the keys over to Kroski Merritt. McNichols, to me, is, you know, you said maybe the better all-around player and more reliable. I hope that game doesn't limit McNeckles touches. Right. Because I didn't, yeah,
Starting point is 01:18:30 agree. I don't want to do my own horn here, and maybe Bill is still going to be good, but it's just something about him that, now this game, not so much, I can't really judge him too much. He didn't have much in my lane. And the tight ends were, they were screwing them all day. So hard to, to knock them. And I didn't. He didn't have a negative grade for me, but he didn't have an above average rate either. And to me, he just, right now lacks the ability to make guys miss on the second and third level when you need them to. When an offense is fortunate enough to block the play correctly because it's very hard to do, and you do, you need that run it back to be special and be able to make.
Starting point is 01:19:11 make a guy miss and extend it for another 20 or 30. I just don't think he has that in him right now because I think he's too eager when he runs the football. And that's a really weird thing to say. It's just a feeling that I have. He is very concerned with running hard, which is awesome. You know, it's hard for you to say that as a negative. It's awesome to want to run hard.
Starting point is 01:19:33 It's awesome to want to run break tackles. But I don't think his brain has slowed down enough yet to where he can do all three. You can run the ball hard, but you can be patient doing it, and you can be poised when you get to the second, third level, to then dip in your bag of tricks and make guys miss. And so right now I just don't think he's there yet, and it's because he's young.
Starting point is 01:19:54 I think that'll come. But hard to teach a guy from, hard to teach a guy to have the ability and the inside nature to want to run hard. So he has that. Now you just got to tame it a little bit. and I'm not saying don't play the guy my concern was that everybody was going to get all bent out of shape because of that the amount of yards he had win
Starting point is 01:20:17 I think you probably could have plugged in 10 or 12 other backs in the same plays and the same results would happen and then there would have been three or four of guys that would have turned those 12 and 12 yarders into 30 and 50 yeah yeah well that's where I was just like yeah ready to crown him as the best running back in the league Well, you said that the big disappointment and the concern is that basically he's untouched to the second level, third level, and he's not making the safety the last guy standing.
Starting point is 01:20:48 He's not making him miss and taking it to the house or taking it for 40 or 50. And that's that's, you know, this separation between a lot of guys that can make that 12-yard run and the real, you know, superstar guys that turn that into a house call. All right. What about the bottom three on offense? Bottom three, Bates leads the way we already highlight his plays. He was down there. Then I have Ertz. He's down there. Well, dropped two passes on third down and was not a blocking, effective blocking partner either in the run game. So those are my bottom two. Now, next goes to Devo because that pick, well, I'll let you pick between these two. I got Debo and Lane because I have not been grading stuff.
Starting point is 01:21:35 special teams, I don't even really pay attention to him. I let that play fly by unless there's a big impactful play. Him dropping the ball on the kickoff return on the two-yard line is a huge mistake. So if you want to take, if you want to include that play, he's in my bottom three. Don't. Then Debo's in my bottom three. That pick on the start of the series, excuse me, the first drive of the game was just so enormous to stop that drive. You were going to get points there. If you're probably getting seven the way they were rolling, if not three. And then he didn't make any plays throughout the game to dig himself out at all. So you find himself at my bottom three. On the lane, you know, so yes, he botches that. They start from the one and a half
Starting point is 01:22:16 yard line. They actually pushed it out to the 28, you know, to, they, five of the first six drives of the game were into Kansas City territory. This is the one that they didn't get there on. But on the third down in five, it's the 825 mark. Did you, did you call this a, a Jalen Lane drop? Yes. Okay. What you're talking about? Yep, 100%.
Starting point is 01:22:40 It's him right in his hands. You got to make the... After you just dropped that kickoff return, too? Yeah, it's a few plays later. You better catch his football to dig yourself out of that hole. And then he dropped it. I have little faith in him right now as a receiver. I mean, he's a rookie.
Starting point is 01:22:56 He's going to have to grow, but I don't see much upside for him right now in the games I've watched from a receiver standpoint. It's not his fault. They probably don't even have him in there wanting him to be a receiver, but they're just downed body. He is a return guy. He should be returning puns and sparing guys on offense when they're tired and they need a blow. Other than that, he should be on the sideline for offense. You know, this is a play, too.
Starting point is 01:23:24 It's a big play. It's 14 to 7. It's third and five. And you know who's not on the field? Terry's not on the field. Not on the field. And nobody comes by bariota. No, I'm watching it from the end zone.
Starting point is 01:23:38 It's a good ball, and nobody gets, it's not like he has anywhere to go with this. Correct. This is ad lib, and he just steals, and Lane, I guess they must have made on contact, or he's like, I'm going to throw him open, and he does. So it's a really good ad lib by Marcus and Lane lets him down. All right. You got to come up with that. All right.
Starting point is 01:23:57 We'll finish up with Steve on the other side of the break with top three, bottom three on defense, and whatever else he hasn't mentioned, we'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, we finish up with Steve's top three, bottom three on defense, and then I've got a question or two and anything else he wants to add to it. So your top three on defense. All right, top three on defense go to Jacob Martin, number one. Yep.
Starting point is 01:24:30 Really good game. Just plays hard. He looks like he's playing hard and everybody on the field. But he's kind of in the Louvo territory, because Louvo is always trying to play hard too. But just effort, but his pass rushing skills are now, like you mentioned, at the beginning of this, the best on the team.
Starting point is 01:24:45 I saw it coming in. And one of my notes is, if you only had Armstrong this game, you probably had a real legit chance of winning. And you don't want to put it all in one player. But if you combined Armstrong's pass rush with what Martin did, then I think Mahomes would have been under duress for most of the night. it would have been a really fun watch watching those two guys trying to get after him.
Starting point is 01:25:09 And I really think he could have impacted the outcome of the game. But, you know, that's more on a bridge. It's not possible. He's not going to be there. But you're really feeling the effects of that, like you're going to feel the effects all season. So then I got three, and then I have three guys tied next. And it goes to Kinlaw, doing what Kinlo does, playing hard. I don't love him at D.N.
Starting point is 01:25:29 They did it up to him a couple times. He doesn't look good, doesn't look natural. one of the plays on his rushes, it's his fault that Mahomes gets outside of the pocket and extends a play, and I think it was like a second in 17, and he finds Rice opening the zone, and it's because Kinlaul
Starting point is 01:25:45 is on the right side defensive end and he rushes inside because he's used to trying to, they double team him, so he gets double team from the tackle and the guard, and he's used to try to split those while he's a detackle. Well, you can't split those as a defensive end, because then you just get pushed in and lose contained.
Starting point is 01:26:01 So, they're going to probably We still have to try to put him out there a couple of times, but I just don't love it. He just looks uncomfortable and maybe it'll get better. But right now, keep him inside. They did the same to pain. I'm sorry, I'm going on for Tanger here. But Paine is, he looks terrible on the outside too, and it's mainly because he has no pass rush. So if I have pain on the outside and I'm a right tackle, all I am doing is setting up for a bull rush.
Starting point is 01:26:25 That's all pain is going to give me. I'm going to just buckle down, stick my hip, stop your bull rush, and then pain's out of the play. So I know I understand why they're doing it because they're trying to find different lineups to make up three injuries, but he's useless outside too. So sorry, go back. Martin number one, 10 loss tie for two along with Latimore because that pick was so good and he didn't get picked on the rest of the game and he didn't blow coverages and he was in position.
Starting point is 01:26:52 So his best game this season. And then Reeves tied for with those two. made good plays, impactful plays on defense, finds himself in the right position again, so he's back in my top three. But let's, let me run you through a couple plays. Okay. And we can call quits, but it just, we've talked about these plays before, and they keep running them, and they keep doing them wrong, and it's just stuns that they keep calling it.
Starting point is 01:27:19 So let's go third quarter, five minutes, 19 seconds, and this is a coverage that we've talked about before where they are in some sort of cover three match. So it's a zone coverage with man principles. And when somebody goes underneath or goes over the top, they pass it off to Bobby. Right. Remember we talked about that? Yes. So you see Latimore does this again.
Starting point is 01:27:44 He passes this off to Bobby. He passes Rice. He's running a crosser off to Bobby, but Bobby doesn't see it. Bobby doesn't address it. like Rice is going to be coming wide open here if Mahomes doesn't throw this ball quick to the flats. Right. This is another, this is blowing the coverage again because whatever their principles are here, they have not done it correctly.
Starting point is 01:28:08 And I think a lot of it probably comes down to Bobby, but it's probably hard. I mean, it's hard for him to see this and hear Latimore Yale Crosser, and he's got to pick that up. So I know it doesn't look like this is going to be a big play, but that's going to be a big play to Rice if they want it. Right. I see that. Now, that's the play. He throws to worthy for, you know, a yard or two. That's it. Yeah. He throws for a yard, so you get bailed out there. You mess that one up. You get bailed out. Let's go to 432 now.
Starting point is 01:28:36 In the third? Yep, 432 in the third? Sorry, sorry, 434. 34. Got it. Got it. Yep. Okay. So now look, Washington's shown cover zero here. And now I think they see that Mahomes was the call something or he sees that he likes it. They do a check to their inverted cover two. So you got Martin down here 101 with the check-o. Okay, this is man coverage. This is cover zero written all over it.
Starting point is 01:29:05 Well, Mahomes call something or says something they don't like. And Bobby checks this to the inverted cover two here. And so Lattimore, who was already on the other side line of scrimmages, now technically this safety closest to you. But he does. So inverted cover two, they're going to, they're going to, they're going to, they're going to, because they're in you say they're going to drop
Starting point is 01:29:26 to cover two off the snap or they're going to, okay, because they're not in cover two with the snap. No, no. They look, they're trying to show zero and I think their intent was to go zero. Right. And then Bob, you see Bobby Wagner, he's, you know, he's helmet and everybody passes the signal.
Starting point is 01:29:43 So they audible, Mahomes is audible. And they say, all right, we showed you zero, you audible, now we're going to catch you and drop to a cover two and try to get a pick or something. But that means Latimore is the near side safety, but him and Sanders still go play the same safety. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And now watch Kwan Martin. He leaves Pacheco because now he's a
Starting point is 01:30:01 hardcover two corner. So they just leave him because that was on the wrong side of the field. Yeah. So could I technically ding Latimer here? I could and I did, but lightly. I think this is more a Bobby knowing this situation. You can't call this check here because you don't have guys anywhere in position. Well, you do. The only guy out of position is Latimore, but he's going to have to sprint all the way across to this near hash. Right.
Starting point is 01:30:28 And he doesn't do that. He drops in the cover two from his side of field. And so the same. So they're playing cover two from the same spot. That doesn't usually work. No. Yeah. So you got nothing here.
Starting point is 01:30:38 So they blow that. Okay? Now let's go to 759 in the fourth quarter. Uh, I got it. Yeah, yeah, this is the touchdown to rice. Yeah, so this is a touchdown to rice. but this is almost a take-your-pick situation because this is the coverage that we just went over with Lattimore, passing it off to Bobby.
Starting point is 01:30:58 Except Trey, now, Amos is passing to Bobby, okay? It's the same cover as just the opposite side. So now Trey yells to Bobby, hey, you've got the crosser, but then Amos leaves the tight end, so the seams wide open. They would have hit the swing if they wanted it too early. Nobody's checking him early. Nobody's got Pacheco. touchdown.
Starting point is 01:31:21 Yeah, nobody's got him. And then Bobby doesn't even pick up Bryce when he's getting yelled that he got a crosser. So this is the same principle coverage that they keep running. And I'm telling you, I haven't seen them do it correctly in any game I've watched. Now, maybe they are doing it once or a while correctly, and I don't notice it because it's run correctly. But it usually involves passing off and underneath route to Bobby, which is really obvious.
Starting point is 01:31:47 I can see that every time. and it's just, it's almost never worked. And in my note says, throw this covered down. Stop running it. You haven't ran it effectively six weeks. Get rid of it. What about the fourth and goal two touchdown where, I mean, you know, before I get to that, how great is Mahomes off schedule?
Starting point is 01:32:10 So that's, I haven't broken down the home's film ever. I didn't know what I was going to get into watching it. I also wasn't, like on the broadcast, right? I get a feel for what they're doing when I'm watching broadcast, but I only get to see what everybody else sees. I don't always know the coverage in the back end left, I get to see a replay. Anyway, I go a long way to say, I was excited to see
Starting point is 01:32:30 what I was going to see from him. And what I gathered is he didn't pick Washington apart, not that he'd made any missed reads, but this is what getting Mahomes feels like. And it wasn't, it was like, right? It's the third and five where he sends the pocket and then he realized he's got a late gray who's, you know, or Kelsey who was blocking,
Starting point is 01:32:54 now he dumps off. Those extensions of those plays in his ad lib of third and five and third and seven is the key to sticks movement is what made him so good in this game. I mean, it was, it was like on clockwork. You got a third of seven. Washington called the right defense in the secondary. He's got nowhere to go. But at the same time, lack of pass rush allowed Mahalms to extend the play.
Starting point is 01:33:18 he's poised in the pocket. He's staying strong. He doesn't mind if he buys around him, finds the dump off and extends the plays. And those were all the big chunks. I mean, they have one design play to Kelsey. They're in cover. Washington is in cover three.
Starting point is 01:33:33 The chiefs called the play. It's earlier. It was early in the game. It might have been the first drive. They hit Kelsey down crossing out. But that's the only like design chunk that they took. It was cover three. They got the coverage they wanted.
Starting point is 01:33:44 And the only reason it worked is because you didn't have a pass rush because you don't have armed. strong in the game. So he had a full four and a half seconds to let the play develop. They took advantage. Other than that, his main plays were the avid ones. I used the same verb. I said they got Mahomes. I mean, because, and on the, many Mahomes they got. Yeah, on the fourth and goal touchdown, you know, there's some blame that people put on Bobby for getting picked and not passing it off, but it's just, it's an off schedule play. I mean,
Starting point is 01:34:19 somebody's got to run after Mahomes because if not, he'll just he'll run into the end zone for a touchdown and then they just lose hunt. Yeah, so, I mean, I watched that play several times too. And yes, that's all wags.
Starting point is 01:34:35 He's got to run with him, but it's McGee there too, and it just seems like Bobby he probably wasn't communicating. It was probably nonverbal, and he was probably just hoping that McGee and him, we're going to do an in-play switch, and he was going to take Hunt,
Starting point is 01:34:52 and Wagner was going to sit there on Kelsey. And that was probably just nonverbal. He was hoping that he was on the same page with him, and he wasn't. Maybe he did say switch, switch, switch, switch. But like McGee's in the middle of the play, he'd all switch, switch, switch after I'm guarding Kelsey, and he's standing over the goal line.
Starting point is 01:35:06 I'm not leaving him either. So that's just, I mean, my grade was Bobby, Bobby's mistake. All right, your bottom three defensively. Bottom three defensively. Let's scroll over here. So I got Kwan Martin leading away. Okay.
Starting point is 01:35:25 Then Bobby Wagner just affected too much in the past game to give up big plays. And then Duran Payne. Just another game of just watching him not give effort. That's your biggest issue with him. You just see... Man, he corrects me. Oh, man. He just wouldn't be on my team next year.
Starting point is 01:35:45 It'd be that simple. As many plays as I've watched, not doing it. Now, he came into this game banged up a little bit. And I got to say that, too. If I'm giving a guy a hard time, like, as I have been, and he's... No, no, no, no, no. I mean, he's deserved it, but this week, he actually was on the injury report all week and was almost ruled out and then ended up playing.
Starting point is 01:36:10 I mean, what was his snap count in this game? It was a hell of a lot. He played... He played 45-7. snaps in the game. So he played, you know, two-thirds of the snaps. What is his injury? It was a toe injury. I know that can affect your burst a little bit.
Starting point is 01:36:29 What is what was Kwan Martin's problem? Quan Martin had some bad run fit for me. And that just, that came into some longstanding runs. And then the big mistake you had, hmm, let me see here. to penalty. Penalty, but, oh, yeah, penalty was big. Y'all, that gave him extended drive. Then I have him down.
Starting point is 01:36:53 I didn't like, oh, so we went over that Inver cover two. Yeah. If he's playing cover two there, that swing shouldn't get nine yards. So he's, but he's a safety not playing corner there. So I dinged him on that because you're not playing cover two right there. You should get a jam on Pacheco, and then you should be sitting there. You shouldn't get nine yards on cover two. That should never happen.
Starting point is 01:37:10 Right. So ding him there for not being there. And then the other things are a run fits, just not taking the proper gas. I mean, he only got, I only knocked them on two or three plays, but it kind of goes back to the beginning point I made. Nobody on defense was glaringly bad. Yeah, no, and you said that from the beginning. Yeah, they all played average football and one or two guys flash.
Starting point is 01:37:34 I don't have many, you know, so Marshael-Latimer, huge pick there. I got Bobby Wagner had a big play on a screen, I think. He identified. Then I got Kinlo on a really big rush at safe points before. a half because they had rice he was he was probably going to catch a 25 year a ball if kin law didn't provide pressure so he gets a good score there amos had a pb u so these are like the higher highlight plays but everybody else just kind of played b-level football all right and he had to play there other than kwan martin who or excuse me jacob martin who had the had the most impact on the
Starting point is 01:38:08 game with the two-sats so they they played a new guy a lot of snaps uh number 18 Tyler Owens. What did you observe with him? Yeah, nothing. He wasn't glaringly in the wrong position anytime. So literally his scorecard for me is empty. And that's kind of how I scored. If you do what you're supposed to do on a play, how you should do it, no better, no worse, then I just don't give you a score. And at the end of this, he has a flat score. So he just has a B. He had no negative plays, and then he had no impactful plays. He just did his job, every play, and a non, I don't want to say non-issue. He just wasn't a factor negatively or positive. He's just doing his job, so he gets a flat score. We've talked about this guy before and how he's just
Starting point is 01:38:57 flashed with his speed and athleticism. He got a career snap high. I mean, they played three linebackers pretty much, you know, the entire game. What did you think of Jordan McGee, 58? Yeah, yeah, finally. Same. he ended up with a normal score for me, which he has one, two, so he had one play where I thought he did above what he should do and made an impact, and he had one play that was a bad run fit.
Starting point is 01:39:24 He tried to go around a line man, a kidding, remember exactly, but he clearly had a gap that he did not fill, and then it cost him like eight-year-yard run. So I think he deserved more playtime for sure. I mean, I get what they were trying to do. We talked about last week of switching up the line, the line's assignment. You even mentioned
Starting point is 01:39:42 putting Lovu trying out of defensive end. You mentioned Triampaign and Kinla, and they did all of those things. I think Louvoo did well for the most part up there on the line, but eventually is going to get worn down, taking on tackles over and over again. There's so much so much you can do there.
Starting point is 01:39:58 But they were admirable up front trying to do that, and McGee plays a part because it allows Louvo to stay up there if they think he's their second best pass rusher now. So you need to keep him on the field, not entirely, but I mean, why can't we switch it up with Wagner? I don't understand why they don't ever sit Wagner.
Starting point is 01:40:16 I don't know either. I don't get it. My last question deals with defense, too, because, I mean, I wrote down during the game, and I haven't gone back and really looked at this specifically, and I'm wondering how much of it you noticed. So you already mentioned, you know, they had Kin Law and they had pain playing outside at times at defensive end.
Starting point is 01:40:36 They had so many different alignments in the game. You know, I wrote down at the beginning, I'm looking at my notes right now. They basically opened in what looked like a 3-4 with Goldman at Nose Tackle. There were other plays in which Payne or Kinlaw was the only defensive lineman in a three-point stance. Everybody else was, you know, in a two-point stance. I wrote down on one, they had Kinlawn Payne, and then they had, it was basically, I don't know if it's the, you know, the college 3-5 that everybody plays. but I wrote down it was 2-5-4. Like they just, they seemed like they were trying so many different things,
Starting point is 01:41:17 and I give them credit for it. But the alignments defensively, they were all over the place. Did you notice that? Yeah, and I am all about it. And I think we touched on it last week. When you're down all these players, you've got to start scheming people, and you've got to do gimmicks,
Starting point is 01:41:34 and you've got to figure out a way, how can you get the matchup back in your favor? and I don't think they know that yet. Of course they don't know that yet, because they haven't tried these things. I think this is a game of let's throw all this out here, and then we're going to chart it ourselves and see which ones were effective, which ones weren't, and then we'll institute more of those looks next week and the week after that, and maybe we can do some things off of that.
Starting point is 01:41:57 I mentioned once, I said, and I can't remember the player, I won't be able to find it, but I mentioned, oh, look at this. They did a creative, they did a creative Inverted Cover 2. They ran the inverted cover two, but they blitzed Wagner, the middle linebacker. So that's a different look. And they dropped Martin, who was on the end, and he filled in for Wagner and became that linebacker. Right.
Starting point is 01:42:19 But I just wrote down, oh, look at this, a creative zone blitz look. They didn't, I haven't seen that all year. So they got to try stuff. You have to try to do things. You've got to try to make gambles if you're trying to compensate for just not having the talent on the field. So I'm all about it. If you go to 830,
Starting point is 01:42:36 all right, Kansas City's first drive, it's their first third and 10. Duran Payne is the only true defensive linemen on the field. I guess Jacob Martin would be. Everybody else is a linebacker or a DB. I mean, what is this? What am I looking at here? I mean, this is just confused.
Starting point is 01:43:01 This is all you're trying to do is confuse a defense. in an offensive line. And can I get you, like, who do you decide to point to as the mic here? And that is an issue. Right. Got to have a feel here. Because normally you would point to Bobby Wagner, right? Normally he's the mic. Normally, you would point here.
Starting point is 01:43:18 And if they do, if they point to Bobby on this play, then they're going to be hot because Louvue is blitzing on the left. Right. And so maybe you disrupt past protection there. So this is just, I mean, we call it just jicky jacket line of scrimmage and you see this kind of muddle stuff up front and it's all about just confusion. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:39 In basketball, we call it like just playing junk defenses. Like, we're going to just throw a lot of stuff so that they don't know if they're looking at zone. They don't know if they're looking at man. They don't know if they're looking at matchup zone. They don't know what you're doing. And that's essentially what they did a lot of the game here, right? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:43:59 Yeah. And then what do you get? You got my homes here. You get Mahomes here Yeah You get Mahomes here They probably did it right The coverage is working
Starting point is 01:44:08 Everybody's covered Yeah So it worked It worked You just didn't get pressure And Mahomes gets Ten on the scramble For first down
Starting point is 01:44:16 It was for 10 Jesus And who's got the least amount of pressure Your boy Well but he's playing Nose tackle here Right I know but it's just
Starting point is 01:44:27 I mean He is my boy I mean, you've missed some of his dominant games. Like, he's had some games in his career where you're like, well, that dude needs to get paid. And they did. They paid him in 2022. But, you know, it almost looks as I look at this from the end zone that they're being charged with basically playing contain. Like they don't want him to scramble.
Starting point is 01:44:56 He does. So I see that a lot. And I just, it doesn't make sense to me. and I've asked this of myself when I'm watching. Am I being too critical of his effort here, or is there a chance that they're having him spy? Yeah. But I've seen it with too many quarterbacks now that I've watched and some that can't run. And it's the same look.
Starting point is 01:45:15 Fair. Fair. But he's not trying to rush here. Why? Why is he not? I don't know. I mean, they're stunting with Louvo here, right? A little bit of a stunt with Louvo.
Starting point is 01:45:26 And then he's basically, you know, playing like I'm, I can't. Let him scramble up the end gap? It's not happening. Yeah, so let me, no, no. Louvoo is giving himself up here to try and free up pain. Okay. Louvoo is the one that's running into these guys to give himself up to pick the guys off of pain.
Starting point is 01:45:46 And so what he does is he takes away a double team from pain and he gives him a single. And then pain does that. And another reason why you wouldn't spy pain is because he's not fast. No. So if any of these quarterbacks scramble, he's worthless as a spy. So for me, there's nothing here but effort. I mean, I got to tell you seriously, in watching just this play again, and they get Mahomes done this play, and this is in the first half,
Starting point is 01:46:11 but Wagner, I'm just sending, if Wagner's on the field on third down and 10, he's going after the quarterback for me, period. That's it. Yeah, I was, yeah, I'm fine with that, but Louvo's a better pass, right? True. So are you just running Bobby into a body, and nothing's going to happen, then you're still going to have all day? I mean, you're asking questions that your D-Corinator is struggling with right now.
Starting point is 01:46:36 How do I figure out this puzzle now that I've lost some pieces? Yeah. And who can help me out of here? And I'm shit. I'm in the bind, too. I don't know. You've got to do all this stuff. That's why you pointed out.
Starting point is 01:46:48 This looks crazy. Why are they doing that? The answer is because they're trying to figure it out. Trying to figure out a way. Well, they get. Now you don't have guys right now that are dogs that are in a couple of. My kin-law, in my opinion, is a dog. Martin is a dog.
Starting point is 01:47:03 Louvo is a dog up front, but they can't get a sack every play. I'll tell you who. You had him in your tide for the top three. How about the effort Jeremy Reeves gives as a tackler, too? He's a dog. I meant the guys up front, but he's a dog in my opinion, too. I don't even know how long he's been to the league.
Starting point is 01:47:23 I have it right here somewhere, but six years. So he's sick. That's a safety that's been in the league six years, and he's only been playing on special teams, that's mind-blown. Well, he was the pro-bowler. He was a pro-bowler on special teams a few years ago. Right. Well, yeah, because the guy is a good football player.
Starting point is 01:47:41 So that doesn't shock me that he's a pro-bo guy. What shocks me is that he hasn't been on starting safety for somebody. Yeah. I mean, he rarely messes up, and then he makes effort plays, and he's in the right position. What else do you want? Yeah. I mean, they've got Savage out there a lot now.
Starting point is 01:47:57 You thought that he was, you know, you've liked what. But, oh, here was the other thing. I can't believe I've forgotten this. I mean, you basically also called Preston Smith, you know, that shot. He barely played in the game. Yeah. Barely played when they have a massive need for a D-end. And he barely played in the game.
Starting point is 01:48:19 He's not playing when he's playing. Yeah. Yeah, you said that last week in the week before you're like, I mean, I think you said at one point, He's even worse than just a guy, especially in the run game. Like, you can't, yeah. You can't allow him to do anything. No, he shouldn't be seen in the field.
Starting point is 01:48:37 He shouldn't be on the field. And he barely was. All right. But you can't, like, you don't have another guy? There's not a practice player that's better than that? That blows my mind. There's not, there is somebody on the practice squad amongst these 32 teams that can give you better than Preston Smith.
Starting point is 01:48:52 Yeah. Now, go find them. Who's your recruiting department? Your GMs. Yeah. more now. You can't be putting that on the field. All right. What else? Anything else that we haven't mentioned or you haven't mentioned?
Starting point is 01:49:03 I haven't asked you about it. I think we hit it. I think we hit it good, brother. Great job. They got Seattle on Sunday night. Jaden is supposed to play, but no Terry. Terry's already been ruled out with the quad re-injury. What was, give me an update on Kinlaw. Is he good? I think Kinlaw is going to be okay. Yeah, I mean, Apparently, Kinlaw was ready to come back into the game, but at 287, they didn't put him back in the game. Okay.
Starting point is 01:49:32 And then what about Tunsel? Tunsel is a little bit iffy. He was a hamstring, and I think we'll find out more tomorrow as in Wednesday. But, you know, they, to make a run back. Coleman was good, though. Coleman was good. Well, Coleman played left tackle a lot last year as a rookie. Okay.
Starting point is 01:49:53 Yeah, that makes sense. So, all right. great job. We'll talk next week. Thank you for doing this. Thanks, guys. You bet. Another excellent film breakdown from Steve. Back tomorrow, everybody, with Tommy.

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