The Kevin Sheehan Show - The Center Plan?

Episode Date: April 23, 2026

Kevin opened with the wide array of predictions for tomorrow night's first round of the NFL Draft including at least seven different players who have been mocked to Washington at #7 overall. Cole Cubelic/SEC Network, was a guest on Kevin's radio show and may have revealed the Commanders plan at center. Logan Paulsen joined the show with his Top 100 Big Board along with his Washington wish list.   For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match   Right now, buy one prescription pair and get 20% off any additional prescription pairs at WarbyParker.com/[Sheehan   Chime is not just smarter banking, it is the most rewarding way to bank. Head to www.Chime.com/SHEEHAN. It only takes a few minutes to sign up.   So if you are looking to make Mother’s Day perfect, or just want to impress your friends and family with an epic meal next time you host, go to www.GOLDBELLY.com and get free shipping and 20% off your first order with promo code sheehan.   Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Go to www.Quince.com/SHEEHAN for free shipping and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. He is Kevin. Logan Paulson's going to join me on today's show. He has been prepping for this draft since January. So it will be good to get his insight on what we will see beginning tomorrow night.

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literally nobody knows anything. The mock drafters, and I'll add to that, the reporters that cover the NFL, they're all over the place. Nobody has a clue on what's going to happen after Fernando Mendoza goes number one overall to the Raiders. So Matt Miller, ESPN, he just came out with, I am guessing, his final mock draft. Number seven, Washington, Sunny Stiles, linebacker, Ohio State. ESPN's Peter Schrager yesterday with his mock draft, Carnell Tate, wide receiver, Ohio State, to Washington at number seven. ESPN's Jordan Reed from a few days ago.

Washington selects Notre Dame running back, Jeremiah Love at number seven overall. CBSSports.com's Ryan Wilson yesterday, his latest mock. Washington takes Ruben Bain, Edge, Miami. Todd McShay with his mock draft 5.0, I think it's his final one. Todd writes for the ringer now. Washington at number seven, LSU Corner, Mansor, Delane. Dane Brugler, the athletic, Washington selects David Bailey, Edge, pass rusher, Texas Tech. And then Yahoo Sports, the most recent mock, and they have several of them, Washington selects Ohio State Safety, Caleb Downs, at number seven. That is a list of seven different players that I have found mocked to Washington within a week of the draft.

I also found a few tradebacks where Washington selects Jordan Tyson, wide receiver, and Mackay Lemon, wide receiver. So I've got two other players, but that's after tradebacks to, I think 11 and 16, where the two spots. But in their own spot at number seven, seven different players mock to Washington. Yes, if you go and check all of the mock drafts out there, you're going to find some repeats. There are a lot of Jeremiah Love repeats. There are a lot of Carnell Tate repeats. Caleb Downs, Sonny Stiles. I think those are the four you see the most. David Bailey is the one that you see the least. Ruben Bain, you don't see a lot. Mansour Delane now, you're seeing a lot of Mansour Delanes to Washington. But seven different players within a week of the draft just defines

the uncertainty around this draft at the beginning of it. You know, when it comes to really everything after Mendoza. And it's rare when you see, you know, NFL reporters, NFL mock drafters, not really have a handle on the early portion of the draft. There's never a handle really on the middle to latter portion of the draft, but we're talking about nobody having a really good feel for number two on down. It's just unusual to have that level of uncertainty, you know, to start the draft. And it'll last for a while. it's going to make tomorrow night a fun ride and an excellent television show.

By the way, I was thinking about this. In recent years, and I'm sure you guys have done the same thing, if you're following the draft on social media and watching it simultaneously, you get the picks on social media before the commissioner gives you the pick on television. I think I'm going to not look at social media. maybe right after the skins pick, but I want to sit back and enjoy this roller coaster of a ride and the entertaining television show that it's going to be on ESPN, on the NFL network.

I guess it's on ABC too. I mean, ESPN puts out two different draft shows. But I'd like to have the commissioner tell me in dramatic fashion, with no inkling of what he's going to say, tell me who these teams are picking. I'm going to try to do that. I'm going to try to sit back and enjoy it rather than get it first on social media. All right. The odds makers on this draft, I don't know if they have a handle on it, but there are odds. And the odds would indicate the favorites to be selected for these various spots. Look, sometimes, especially when

it comes to games themselves. The boys in the desert have it figured out before anybody else does. So I mentioned the other day that Jeremiah Love and Carnell Tate, I believe, or maybe it was Love and Stiles, were co-favorites at My Bucky.

I think it was Love and Tate. Well, the odds have changed today. Here is my Bookie's current odds for the seventh overall pick. Carnell Tate now, a solid favorite at plus 224. All right.

So if you bet 100 on Carnell Tate, you'd win $224. So it's just, you know, slightly above two to one odds. Carnell Tate is the favorite right now to be selected number seven overall. The second favorite is Jeremiah Love, but at plus 420. So almost double the number that Carnal Tate is, Tate is right now. And then it's Sunny Stiles at plus $450. So Love and Stiles are very, very close.

But Carnell Tate now, here we are 30 hours before the draft at My Bookie is the favorite to go at number seven. Now, that's not Washington picking seven the way that my bookie or any odds maker puts out the odds. They may have odds on Washington's pick. I'm giving you the seventh overall pick. That could be, you know, the team that trades with Washington picking at number seven. But Carnell Tate right now, plus 224, the favorite at MyBooky.

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So Downs is at 9 to 1. The next player mentioned is David Bailey at 22 to 1 right now, plus 2,200. Again, for all of your prop betting draft needs, go to mybooky.orgie.orgie.com and use my promo code, DC reload. So on radio today, I had one of my favorite guests, Cole Kublich. He's been on the podcast before. Cole calls a lot of games for the SEC Network and DSPN. He's got a radio show with Greg McElroy in Birmingham, Alabama. He actually played at Auburn.

He's a very good analyst during games. And really, every year, is super into this draft. And I had him on radio today. And somehow the conversation veered towards centers. It was Cole who actually veered the conversation towards centers because he essentially said there's going to be a run on certain positions, you know, wide receiver at some point because there are a lot of them in this draft. And then he said there's going to be a run on centers at some point. I'm going to play a few minutes of this conversation that I had with Cole Kublich. because I think it's a huge reveal as to why Washington may have moved on from Tyler Beaudish.

That's been the biggest mystery of the offseason. Why did they move away from their starting center when he still had a year left on his contract with apparently no obvious replacement? Now, I do think that Tyler Linderbaum was part of the plan, but the money got sideways on Linderbom, and they, you know, they bailed on that. But plan B, more likely than not, is this weekend. Because Cole thinks there are a ton of starting centers, day one starting centers in the draft. Here it is.

I think there might be seven. Hell, there might be eight NFL starting centers in this draft. And none of them are probably going to get taken in the first two rounds, first, I don't know, 60, 70 picks. because you can nitpick them all and everybody's going to look at Jake Slaughter and say, okay, cool, we'll go get Parker Breltsford later or we're going to get Logan Jones later. Like there's so many to choose from

that are not that dissimilar from one another. It's going to push them all back a little bit. There's not like a Dermani Dawson in there compared to everybody else. So I think you're going to be able to wait and get a great center. But we're talking about five to seven starting centers in the NFL in this class.

There's not a lot of other positions like that in this draft. So Cole Kublich introduces this center discussion, which I did not have on my list of questions for him. I was not anticipating a conversation and a preview of the center position for the 2026 NFL draft. But he introduced this idea that the centers are deep, that there are plenty of them out there and day one starters out there in the draft. And so I explained to him what this situation was here. And I said that the starting center of the last two seasons is gone. They released him. Now, they may have had a plan in free agency, but right now the starting center is a guy that played some guard, played some center, but nobody seems super thrilled about it.

And I said, and by the way, wait till you hear him preview the centers that are out there. like he goes through all of them. You've never heard a center draft preview like the one Cole's about to give you. But I said, is it possible that while we've been sort of mystified and a bit confused at what's been happening with the center position in the off season, that the general manager in the front office have had in the back of their pocket all along this draft, that they've known all along that they've known all along that their, starting center may exist in the 2026 draft. Here's what Cole said.

100%. I think Jake Slaughter out of Florida is a day one starter. I think Logan Jones out of Iowa is a day one starter. They both play a ton of college football, so I think they'll be ready for it. Parker Brailsford is a little bit undersized. If you are in a West Coast-ish offense, if you're running outside zone, if you've got a lot of good quick game that's happening, he's someone who has an elite skill set inside. Now he's going to be playing at, you know, right at 300, maybe 295-ish. So if you're a team that's running a lot of inside zone duo, he might not be your guy. Right. He's a guy that you want out on the perimeter and you need him moving, you need him pulling a little bit, and you need him working different spots in pass pro. I think he's elite.

There was a large portion of the season. I thought he was Alabama's best football player last year. And I believe that with all of my heart. Connor Lou from Auburn hasn't played as much football, had an injury last year. You're concerned about that, but he absolutely has the skill set to be an NFL starter, just like I think Sam Hacked out of Kansas State does. So you can go down to Pat Coogan for Indiana last year. He's played Guard and Center.

Jagger Burton at Kentucky has played Guard and Center. He's a little more stiff, not quite as athletic, as some of the others that we've mentioned. But I think those two guys, Coogan and Burton out of Kentucky, you're drafted then to take two roster spots. You might not take them as a starter, That can be a center guard backup that you carry on your roster for a long period of time. So, I mean, hell, Connor Tolson, I don't know if he's an NFL starter,

but I wouldn't be surprised if he made a team just because he played so much football in Missouri. And if he gets into an outside zone scheme team where he's done it probably a thousand times in game, then he's going to be somebody that can bring value to one of those spots. Trey Zune at A&M, he's a little more powerful. If you need somebody with that omp, a little bit of a bigger-sized guy inside, he might be your guy out of Texas A&M who come in and push for a starting spot. We just got the best center breakdown pre-draft we've ever gotten. But the first guy you mentioned or the guy that you emphasized for, you know, a team that may be running more outside zone.

And they, you know, they elevated this guy, David Bloud, offensive coordinator, Cole. He was with Ben Johnson in Detroit. He was with Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota. And we're going to see Jaden Daniels under center a lot more. and there will be some inside and outside zone and some boot off of that. So Parker Brailsford, Alabama, who Cole just said at times may have been Alabama's best player, could be somebody they're targeting because the way you've described it, we've been wondering about this position.

You know, they've got a guy that played some guard for them that's played some center before penciled in right now. They let a pretty solid guy go in the offseason. they must be targeting this particular draft for maybe even their starting center week one next year. If you were to grab Parker Brailsford, let's just say after the fourth, late fourth, and I was a Washington fan, I would be thrilled. Let's go to the under center part that you just mentioned. Go watch Mike Pennix at Washington when he was throwing to, you know,

a Dunezay and those guys. Yeah. That was a lot of that was under center, and that was Parker Brailsford. He was on a Joe Moore Award winning offensive line there. Go watch a couple of the big third down conversions specifically for Alabama last year. Ty Simpson under center. Parker Brailsford was at center last year. He was playing on an almost broken ankle for the last quarter of the season last year.

And that's why that tape might not look as good. But I'm telling you, this kid is he has elite lateral agility. His hands are elite. The only thing he does not have is girth. That's it. And he got a little bit up over 300. I think the strength coach at Alabama told me last year that staff said he may have got a 301, 302 and didn't lose a lot of quickness.

He's not going to be a mauler because he doesn't have the size and the lower body strength for it. But he is an amazing teammate. He knows the ins and outs of multiple systems. And I would be absolutely thrilled if my team drafted him as a potential starter that late because you would be getting extreme value. I can't remember ever. getting an NFL draft preview of the center position like the one Cole Kublich just gave us. I did not anticipate the show would have this much discussion about the center position.

But guess what? I've got more. Because after my conversation with Cole on radio, I went and looked up the relative athletic score for one Parker Brailsford, the player he was just talking about. The player he thinks would be a terrific addition to any team, especially a team that's going to have their quarterback under center and is going to rely more on a zone run scheme, outside zone run scheme, that requires a more nimble, a more athletic center. Well, we know how much Adam Peters and his team love rass scores, high rass scores.

So Parker Brailsford, center from Alabama, was the center at Washington when Michael Pennix Jr. was the quarterback there. His relative athletic score, based on the 2026 Indy Combined testing, was 8.65 out of 10. That places him in the top 10% all time for centers. his 8.65 out of 10 is a top 10% Rass score all time for the center position. So make a mental note, people. Parker Brailsford, if he's there in the third round, if he's there in the fifth round, somebody like him may get picked and it may be him. He kind of matches everything that they may be looking at.

for, especially if he is what Cole said he is, and that is a day one NFL starter. Parker Brailsford, he might be the starting center on opening day 2026. All right, we're going to get to Logan here momentarily. I did want to mention a few things real quickly before we get to Logan. Number one is this. The Nationals, as of last night, lead the major leagues in runs scored. No one has scored more runs before today and tonight's games than the Washington Nationals. That is a true statement. 136 runs on the season.

Atlanta's got 135 and the Dodgers have 134. Now, the Dodgers have only played 233 games, but Atlanta's played the same number, Washington. played, which is 24. The Nats beat the Braves last night. They are 11 and 13 in one of the best offensive teams in baseball so far this year. The NBA playoff games last night saw two double-digit underdogs win outright. Outright. A 14-point underdog, Philadelphia 76ers, went in and beat the Celtics in Boston, 11 to 97. By the way, the rookie from Baylor, VJ Edgecombe, had 30 points and 10 rebounds. That's the youngest player in NBA postseason history to have 30 points or more, 10 rebounds or more ever.

The closest was Magic Johnson. He was also the same age, but just. slightly older by about 20 days than VJ Edgecombe is at 20 years old. Magic, of course, had 30 plus and 10 plus in game six of the 1980 finals at the spectrum in Philadelphia. 42 points, 15 rebounds, eight assists with no Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Kareem was hurt in that game. And then the other big underdog to win last night, Portland against San Antonio. with Wemby going down with concussion symptoms.

We'll see whether or not he can play in game three. But Portland as a 10-and-a-half-point underdog, they beat San Antonio, 106 to 103. And then the Lakers were an underdog last night, not double-digit, but they were a five-and-a-half-point dog against Houston, and they took a two-nothing series lead, and Kevin Durant played. I got to tell you, man, I watched that game last night, and Udoka, the coach of Houston, got outwitted start to finish by J.J. Reddick.

I don't understand why teams play that much ISO ball, and then in their ISO attack, can't handle a double team. They doubled Kevin Durant last night. He had nine turnovers by himself. I'm sorry, but that's not on the player. When a player has, has nine turnovers, and there are other options in terms of ball handlers, that's on the coach. That's not on Kevin Durant. NBA playoffs, getting pretty good right now. All right. I will have all of my thoughts specific to the players that I like, the players that I want to see.

Of course, we've been talking about this for months and certainly the last few weeks, but I will have my official draft, not board. I don't do a big board. But the players that I really like in round one, the players that I really like on day two and day three of the draft, and who I'd love to see Washington select in those spots. I'll have that on the show tomorrow with Tommy. And we'll try to get the show out early because I know many of you will be tuned in, certainly at 8 o'clock. tomorrow night for the NFL draft. All right, let's get to Logan Paulson. We'll do that after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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Just go to the Washington Commander's YouTube channel. They put out a show earlier today. It's him and Santana and Smoot talking draft. And that's what we're going to do with Logan. And I just said to you before we started to record, look at you with a top 100 big board. I mean, you said you did one last year. I don't remember you doing one last year. But I mean, I know that you've been working on this, and you've done it the last few years, really preparing for the draft. So how much work went in to putting together a top 100 big board? I mean, it's like, it's a lot of work, man. So I think about it.

Like, so everyone says, oh, you know, you put the big board together a couple weeks before, start watching guys. Like, pretty much the last day of the NFL season, I start watching guys for the Shrine Bowl. And then we try to get about 50 guys done for that. Then we start watching guys for the senior role. Then we go to the combine, try to get about 100 guys watch for that. Then we do our positional rankings, right? And then once we've done our positional rankings on the drive to the draft show,

then I kind of go back and aggregate all the information that I looked at and be like, now who are the top 100 players? Like, how do I see it? How do other people that I've spoken to in the league and in the draft community see it? And just try to get this thing together. And this year, I felt was much harder than last. year personally. I think last year, the board kind of did itself in a lot of ways. This year, it was a lot of like, well, this guy's not very productive, this guy's not very productive, but

this guy's got better traits. And so that guy's going to be higher. So it was a little bit of kind of beauty in the eye to beholder this year, but it does take a lot of work. It does take a lot of time. So do you agree with basically every draft analyst out there that this is a draft week on blue chip players? So just that kind of language, I think it's interesting because I don't know if it's weak on blue chip players. I think it's weak at positions of traditional values. So I think it's pretty weak at quarterback. I think it's pretty weak at receiver.

I think it's weak at running back. I think if you want an offensive guard in the top five, I think there's a guy that I would take in the top five at offensive guard. But you don't take guards in the top five, right? There's a running back who's pretty gosh darn good, right? There's a lineback who's pretty good. There's a safety that's pretty good. It's just those guys are not positions of traditional. So it does feel very weak. There's no, there's not these three offensive tackles that we saw last year that are going to go on the top then, right? There's not the six quarterbacks we saw Jane Daniels here, right? It's just those positions really inform and characterize the draft. I think these are some good football players I just mentioned, but I don't think there's that, you know, kind of that, that creme de la creme of offensive prospect that really gets people excited and really shapes the first round landscape traditionally. So I've heard, you know, a lot of conversation about this,

being a year where you just throw positional value out the window. You don't worry about running back, tight end, you know, linebacker. You take the best player available because, as you just described, the best player available may be at one of those positions that in the past or recent past, you've tried to steer clear of, you know, super high in the first round. Do you agree with that? that positional value means less this year than it has in recent years? I do think so. I think it has to. I think when you look at, you know, just for me anyway, and I can't speak for everybody.

But like when I look at my top players, like it's Jeremiah Love at Sunny Stiles, those are positions of nontraditional value, right? And you get down to David Bailey, obviously, an edge. But Caleb Downs, Arvel Reese, you know, Mansour Delane, like, they're defensive players. Obviously, there's two edges in a corner. but of those three other positions, like their positions of non-traditional values. So what am I not going to take

one of the best players in the draft because financially it doesn't really work out? I want players that are going to be on my roster for the length of the rookie contract that I have to pay a second contract to. And the way I rank it is in terms of confidence. And I look at Sonny Styles, I've got a pretty high confidence he's going to figure it out.

Jeremy, I love pretty high confidence he's going to figure it out. Caleb Downs, pretty high confidence. And so that's why those guys are so high up on my board personally. And I think that's kind of how teams have to look at it. Ultimately, you want ball players that you can build around and that shape your culture. And I think those guys do that. I want to get to your big board and your thoughts in some of these players. But let's fast forward to tomorrow night.

And the first question I have about our team is, who do you think will be on the board? You know, Mendoza is not going to be on the board? Is it fair that we exclude Mendoza, Reese, and Bailey? from the conversation of the players that will likely be on the board or could be among the players on the board at seven. Is it fair to take those three and put him to the side and say, none of those three are going to be there at seven? So obviously, I think Mendoza get him out of here. No way he's going to be there at seven. But I do think there is a world and a space where one of those edges fall.

Now, it's very specific and it has to hit in a certain way. But if you just go Mendoza at one, you go, Arval Reese or Bailey, for this conversation, let's say Arval Reese, the Jets. Fine. You say, Jeremiah, I love to the Cardinals, right? Then you say Sunny Stiles to the Titans. You say Caleb Downs to the Giants. And then all of a sudden, let's say, and I don't think they'll do this,

but hypothetically, let's say the Browns take Mansour Delane or Cardinal Tate, then you're sitting and looking at David Bailey, look at you in the face. They're at 7. I do think there is a verbal that happens, but I am more aligned with you, Kevin. I think in the sense that, like, I don't, if I'm betting, I'm not betting that those guys are going to get there. I think there's an opportunity for them to get there that is realistic and in some cases likely, but again, I'm not betting on that chance, I don't think.

Okay, I mean, I can see that scenario and it can't be completely discounted. If I told you that one of those two, Reese Bailey, one of those two, arrived unpicked at seven, which one would you want it to be if you were Adam Peters? Yeah, this has been kind of the talk of the day, in my opinion, like everyone's talking about Arval Reeves, who's more bus proof, and I'm going to go with the player that I have liked since the very beginning, and that's David Bailey. One of the things about the defensive end and edgebrusher position

is you have to affect the quarterback, and nobody did it better than him. And is he a perfect prospect? No, but does he have a skill that is very, very relevant to the NFL game, and does he do it against top-level competition? Like, he did it versus Caleb Lomo. He did it versus Spencer Fano. He did it versus players that will be drafted on day one of the NFL draft and made them look totally out fast. So I think that's what I'd say is like I'm going to bet on a guy who I've seen to it, did it at the highest of levels.

And I think if you want as a coaching staff, you understand what he is. I think he's going to be in a good spot. So I'd go David Bailey there at seven if both those guys are available. All right. So let's assume for a moment that neither one is along with Mendoza. You know, and let's look at love styles, Tate, downs, and Delane, all right? And actually, Bain. Let's throw those six in there. Of those six, I mean, based on your big board, you probably would want Jeremiah Love to be there at seven for Adam Peters to

select. Yeah, I think that's exactly, I think that's exactly how I see it. I think he's the most consistent player in this draft. Like he ran well, he measured well, his tapes good, not just for one year, but for two years. He's got good tape versus bad runs, good tape's not well-blocked runs, his vision's fine. He catches the ball well. He catches the football belt well,

but he runs routes well. So to me, he feels like he's a running back, but offensive playmaker with not a lot of blemishes on the resume. And to me, I'm very confident he would be an impact player in the NFL. So I would probably end up taking him. And then obviously styles are kind of in the same tier for me.

So, you know, they kind of, you know, love or style. at that spot, I think I would be very happy with. Who do you think will be available and who do you think they'll take? Yeah, so at 7, you know, I was a big, I was kind of had my fingers crossed that, you know, Francis Now I know would go to Arizona and then Cleveland would reach on an offensive lineman or something like that. You'd end up with like Sunny Stiles and some, you know, Caleb Downs,

Manthor-Dlane there as the pick. But as we get closer, I mean, you're probably hearing the same things like I'm not sure study styles makes it to seven and so you know of I was hoping that would happen so to me I think of those kind of top guys I think you're probably looking at mansor Delane Ruben Bain and probably Caleb Downs although I'm not going to you know bet the farm on that but those are the three that I think will probably be there at seven for Washington so who do they take give me your prediction on who they're going to take tomorrow at seven yeah so obviously if it's based If it's based on my rankings, I would probably take Caleb Downs. But I do think there is a legit argument that if you look at like Adam Peters's draft history

and where it comes from speaking about Denver specifically, like I do think that corner might be a better value there. And I think Mansour Delane's an excellent prospect. And so Caleb Downs, Mansort Elaine, are in the same tier for me. So if you were really adamant or the defensive coordinator is really adamant talking to me about, hey, like, I really need the corner for this or I think he's a better football player, I could be easily swayed, especially because the dollars and the sense of it line up. really well. So even though I think

I probably lean ever so slightly to Caleb Downs, I think the pick is probably going to be Mansor Delane. All right, we'll get back to him in a moment. Are there players, or maybe it's just one, outside of Mendoza, Reese and Bailey,

let's assume that they don't make it there of that next group that if they are there, you would not consider a tradeback, like a solid tradeback opportunity, that nets, let's just say, a second rounder and a fourth rounder, you know, to move back to 11 with Miami or to move back to 16 with the Jets.

Is there a player or players where you say, sorry, I'm not trading back, I'm picking these players? So, yeah, obviously if Sonny Stiles or Jeremiah, I love are there, I would probably stick and pick, to be totally frank. But I would definitely hear, I would listen to the trade offer, but I would be leaning very hard towards sticking and picking. So styles and love you're sticking and picking everybody else you're trading back if there's a good opportunity. Yeah, I mean, I think I definitely have to consider that conversation. And not necessarily because I don't think the players are good, but if we can pick up a late first round pick or if we can pick up a second round pick, I do think there are needs offensively and defensively that need to be addressed and that can be addressed through the depth of the receiver class specifically in the second round. So I would definitely kick the tires on any type of tradeback and kind of see where we'd be picking, you know.

So like that, that's a little far to 16, but maybe to 12. That would be an interesting kind of conversation to take a look at. But I don't think there's anybody that I would for sure, for sure stick and pick because, again, I think if you wanted to go to 12, I think Dillon Thedam is a good player if you wanted to go Caleb Downs. I do think there's a pretty big difference between Mansour Delane and Rod McCoy in terms of cornerback depth. so maybe you could say there's a big tail here. There's a big drop-off in terms of cornerback play. If you want an edge rusher, like Rubin Bayne,

I know a lot of people like him quite a bit. I'm a big fan of Keldrick Falk and Akeem Messador, and I think you can pick both those players at 12. All right. I want to look at your big board with you, because it'll eventually get us to 71 in the rest of the draft, and I want to know who some of those players are that you really like and are hoping to see there.

But your number one player is Jeremiah Love in this draft watch. Like I said before, man, there's just not a lot. Like when you watch the tape, you're like, you run hard, you're physical, you catch football well, you're good in pass protection, you're explosive, you've got good contact balance. Like, there's just not a lot of questions about him as a prospect. And, you know, he can hit the home run, which is becoming a bigger characteristic of the running back position. So I love the prospect. He's incredibly safe to me. He's done it for two years in a row.

He's been relatively healthy. Like, there's just not a lot of questions with him. So, yeah, heck of a prospect. and he's got this explosive element to his game, which I love. Who's his comp? Who's a pro comp for him, for you? You know, it's funny. Like, everyone kind of gives you something different.

I get a little bit, just a touch of, like, Adrian Peterson to him because he kind of has this, like, kind of pseudo-upright running style with like this big D-D drive. And he does kind of, like, does this explode, like he explodes into contact in a way that reminds me a lot of AP. Obviously, there's some differences in their game from a past protection standpoint. I don't think anybody runs quite as hard as AP, but when I watch them, I get shades of that type of player. And obviously the ability to go and run with that kind of power running style, I think it's pretty special.

So like that, that corollary works for me. That's a pretty damn good cop. If he's Adrian Peterson, obviously you take them. So the people that are listening to this are going to want me to share with you how I feel to get your reaction. I like Jeremiah Love a lot. But for me, I'm not taking a running back at seven unless I know he's truly going to be special. Christian McCaffrey, you know, Bijon, who I actually have come to think, Logan, and I know that you and I've talked about him before. I actually think in many ways he is almost in his own category at this point.

He's singular. There's no style like his, and there's really no production. I mean, McCaffrey, to a certain extent, you know, when he's, fully healthy. But to me, Bejohn's number one in the NFL. And if I'm not getting that or something comparable to that, I'm not taking him at seven. I love Jeremiah Love as a prospect, and I think he's going to be a really good NFL back, but I don't see him at that level. But it certainly sounds like with an Adrian Peterson comp, you do. I mean, that's the thing with comps. There are shades that remind me of him as a player. And I do think the funny thing about

Love. I think, you know, Beacon Robinson is his own kind of route runner, but I do think there is some crossover in terms of utilization. Like I think, I forget if it's the Indiana game, like he's running like choices underneath or I forget, it might be Minnesota. But like choices underneath, he catches this beautiful rail versus A&M. Like he's got some suddenness to him versus Miami. He runs like a corner. And I thought he was the slot receiver the first time I watched it, right? He has some very special route running ability that is unique, unique to a running back. unique for receivers, too, in some cases. So I do think that that's something that has helped me kind of reconcile him at this position, because I do think he can impact the game in multiple ways.

Now, he's still going to line up as a running back that's still going to be his primary home. But I also think, like, one of the things that drives offensive production at such a high level is explosive play rate. And when you watch Jeremiah Love, like, he is an explosive play waiting to happen. So, like, one of the best example I can think of is the Cincinnati Bengals are one of the worst offenses in the NFL. They signed Jemar Chase, Jemar Chase, and their explosive play rate goes from the, I think it was the 27th in the league to second in the league, and their offense goes from 30th, I think to five that year, right?

So I think if you can, if he can bring some of that explosiveness to the offense, talk about insulating your young quarterback, like that's where I start to get really excited about what Jeremiah Love can be. Now, to your point, I think there are other backs that bring. similar levels of explosiveness to an offense are not as good as him, but like Mike Washington from Arkansas is a really interesting example. You probably get him in the second, early third round. Singleton from Penn State is an explosive player.

The visions will up and down. But there are players that have that home run ability. It's just not as consistent as Jeremy. I love. So I'm not saying you can't find a running back that can do that. I just think he's uniquely qualified because of the two years of production to get that done. Now, to your point about you would trade out of the pick at the back, was there, I think that's totally

1,000% reasonable, depending on what you're getting. So, for example, if you get a second this year and a second the following year and you pick swap the first round, like I'm thinking that's difference making franchise changing stuff, especially getting the second pick next year. So obviously the package for the player,

I think, would be informative and kind of making that decision as well. Yeah, let me just say to, like, the idea of Jeremiah Love in the backfield with Jaden Daniels is exciting. And if they ended up taking him, it seven, and I don't think he'll be there at seven, but if they took them, I'd be pumped up and excited because they would have added a tremendous playmaker. I just think it's too high for me,

but I think most people agree with you. Now, I want to get to a player right now that obviously we're not in the market for, but I'm curious because, I mean, two years ago, it was all about quarterbacks, and you watched them all, and you graded them all out. do you like Mendoza as a starting quarterback in the NFL and at what level? So yeah, this is a really interesting journey for me because I don't really care about quarterbacks because Jane Daniels here. So it's really hard for me to sit down and watch them with the same verb that I did a couple years ago. So I kind of put it off.

And eventually my producer was like, we have to do a quarterback show, so watch them. So I kind of gunned at my head, sat down and watch the quarterbacks. And I, this is not, I'm not being hyperbolic. I was quite honestly like blown away by Fernando Mendoza. Like in terms of the arm talent, the ball velocity, the ball accuracy, the anticipation on throws. Like I saw a lot more NFL stuff, specifically the accuracy than I was. Yes. And so again, the accuracy.

Like is very, very high. And the offense at Indiana is pretty simple, right? And it's, you know, it's a lot of RPO or throwing a lot of ball. outside the numbers. But in the red zone, he did some really good stuff. Again, throwing guys open, finding these tight windows. He's not afraid to rip it in there. And so, you know, I had to do this for this other thing, this other show, I was doing like, where would he rank in terms of Jane Daniels year at quarterback? And I'd probably slot him in, probably right above JJ McCarthy. That was kind of how I thought that was very high in JJ McCarthy that year. Like I was, you know, it was Caleb Williams,

Jane Daniels, Drake May. And JJ was like my fourth guy. And that draft. And so, like, I would kind of slot him in right there, kind of just above maybe Cam Ward, too. So I think he's a very talented player. Now, there is a projection to his game because, you know, the offense at Indiana wasn't a true NFL offense. And it's one of the reasons why people say Tyson's a better NFL comp or fit for the NFL. But I think there's a lot there to be excited about from a armed talent accuracy standpoint with him. Yeah, I think the accuracy is unbelievable. some of the back shoulder throws he made, you know, during the recent playoff run.

And he's big. And I think he's much more athletic than maybe people give him credit for being. I don't, the issue with me is, you know, I don't know how much time you spent watching him get interviewed. He's an odd guy. He's just, he's really, like, I don't know what that means in terms of what due diligence is, uncovered about his personality and how that will translate to a locker room, et cetera. But he's just, you know, he's a different cat for sure. Why do you have Ruben Bain at 10?

What don't you like about him other than, I guess, the short arms? So, you know, he's at 10. I like Ruben Bain. I think he's a good player. He's kind of the second. He's the third tier for me. Yeah, one, two, three. He's a third tier for me.

So in the same tier as like Francis Niroina, Alova, Bevegione, excuse me, and then Dylan Theatim and Colonel Tate, Fenterfano, and Jerome McCoy. And so I like him, but I kind of feel like that's where he's going to go between 18 and 15. And the reason I feel that way is because, like, he's a really good player, really good college player, fund-to-wash, Scott Good Ben, good power, uses his hands well, even though he's got short arms, which I think people often overlook in kind of the analysis of him, plays the game like an absolute psychopath, which I love. But I think the thing is,

when you talk to defensive line coaches, the arm length is a thing. I think back to when I played, and the hardest matchups for me were guys with short arms. Lerner was long arm. Like I think about DeMarcus worry, they're like 34 inches, you know, Alden Smith over 34 inches.

JPP up in New York was like 35-inch arms. And they could just dominate a game because, like, I couldn't reach them. I had to develop my own techniques and methodologies to battle and beat arm lengths. And even Dennell Hunter when I played on, he was his second year or his rookie year when I was in Chicago, like he didn't know what he was, he had no idea what he was doing, but he was so hard to block because of the lengths. And so you bring a guy in who is not a plus athlete, doesn't have the longest arms, and people sleep on, I think, how athletic and long these offensive linemen are in the league

and how they can handle people with this type of physical disadvantage. That doesn't mean I don't think he's going to be a good pro. I just think he's going to be a five to seven-sac guy in the league. And where do you value that type of player? And that's the question that I was kind of like, I like him. They'll love him. And that's why he kind of settles in in that kind of third tier for me. You were right, though, when you said he plays like a psychopath.

Like that motor is nonstop. Yeah. Tell me about... He's physical. Like, there's a lot to love. All right, let's take a quick break. And when we come back with Logan, we'll get. his thoughts on the receivers in this draft and then get kind of his favorite player list

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So tune in to that tomorrow night and throughout the week. I wanted to get to the wide receivers because Carnell Tate has certainly been mocked to Washington a ton over the last few weeks. How do you see the receivers in this draft? Yeah, I mean, I think you're probably pretty locked on this, but like the Jordan Tyson thing, it's kind of really interesting to me at this point because obviously he's definitely the most talented player receiver in this draft class, but it's just how comfortable are you with the medical stuff? And so, you know, I've got him down because I'm not very comfortable with the medical from what I heard about 24.

But obviously the talent is intoxicating. Teams are going to fall in love with him. He runs routes really well. So, you know, just wherever you feel about that, that's me. He's the wild card in the top kind of three or four guys. It's like because he is so skilled because he does run routes so well, because he attacks the football so well in the air, like, where does he end up going? The kind of the guy that I have is my number one receiver in terms of grade right now is

Carnal Tate. And I think Colonel Tate is, I have a very high. confidence is he's going to be a very good two in the league. I just don't know if he's got more in the tank than that. He's a young player, so the runway's there for him to develop. I see a good route runner. I see a solid athlete. I see a guy who catches the ball. That's like his elite trade is the way he catches the ball and tracks the football. But we've seen guys like that in the league before. And I was having a conversation with someone today. It's like, what's the difference between that guy and, you know, Deshaun Stribling or that guy and Jeremy Bernard?

and those are all second round players. And I think that he's, you know, obviously he's, there is a difference, but he's proving a point, right? Like in a draft class with a lot of tail to the receiver class, like, how do you feel about taking that guy in the top ten? And, you know, obviously I have him at 12, so I like the player a lot. I think he could go as high as eight, maybe seven at Washington. But it is something that I've thought about is like, where do you take a guy that isn't necessarily like an elite, Jamar Chase, Julio Jones level playmaker at the

NFL level. You know, the 40 time that he ran was not super impressive at the combine. He did not run on his pro day. So the time was 455 or 457, whatever it was. But do you see a guy that lacks speed in a football uniform and a football game? I don't. And I guess that 40 time is always so deulous. Like I was walking to the airport after a combine and someone from a different team was like, oh yeah, we had him at a 4-4-5. you know, like we had them at a very reasonable number. And I think that that's the thing about these 40 times is they are subjective. The teams tend to use the hand times because the hand time travels.

The scout travels to the pro day. He travels to the combine. So I think that's something to be considered here. A lot of teams don't think he's got an issue with it. When I watch them on the field, I think the thing that comes out with regards to running speed is like, he does run good routes. He does get open down the field. But also, like, I think there's so much gravity to that as a receiver at Ohio,

state that he gets good matchups. And so like, what does he do with the matchups a little bit better here? So I'm not really concerned about the athlete necessarily. It's not a plus athlete, but it's a fine receiver athlete. I mean, Pooka and Okua ran like a 4-6 or something like that. So, like, there's obviously

apps and ways for those guys to be successful. It's just, I don't know, you know, if he does draw better matchups, like, what are we looking at here? Jerry Rice ran a 4-6, just FYI. Omar Cooper.

Omar Cooper Jr. is the second receiver on your big board. Tell me why you like him and tell me if you think he's only a slot receiver. Yeah, so him and Mackay Lemon are kind of in the same grouping for me. And I think Omar Cooper, he just is a little bit bigger. He's a little bit faster. I think he's a little bit better after the catch. I think there's a little bit more inside, outside flexibility. I think in 2024, his average up the target was legit.

Like, I think it was 19 and a half yards, so basically 20 yards. down the field. He showed an explosive element to his game. And so I just think he brings more flexibility to the position. Like, Mackay Lemon is, I have a lot of doubts about his ability to play the perimeter. Now, I still like Mackay Lemon. I think he's a good football player. I think he's competitive. I think he's tough. I think he's track the football well in the air. I think he can win underneath. It's just, I don't know, to his route running skill and style wins on the perimeter. So that's where I feel. I just felt like Omar Cooper Jr. was just a little bit physically better in kind of all those areas I just mentioned.

also showed that he could play a little bit on the perimeter. So just kind of, again, check more boxes, eliminate it down, and that's why he's the second guy on my list. You have a guy ranked pretty high compared to most boards, and I love him too, and the issue is his age. But if Akeem Mezzador were 21 instead of 25 years old, don't you think he would be like a top six, seven pick in this draft? I do.

You know, maybe not six, but yeah, he'd be sure in the top ten conversation, I think. And because, again, when you watch Miami, like, everyone talks about Bain, but, like, there are games, like the Texas A&M game that comes to mind where he is the Mesdor is the more explosive player. He's affecting the quarterback better. He's winning on the interior more quickly. Like, there's more diversity to his pass rush bag. And so when I see him, again, the age is a concern because he's kind of like people, him and Telzerick Falk kind of traveled throughout my pre-draft process because they're both at the other ends of the spectrum. I'm like, you know, Achim Esidore is this older, really productive, really refined kind of final version of the project. And then Caldric Falk is like this young, raw, green, Tracy player.

And as a coach, I think to myself, like, which is, which one would I want here? And the guy that I kept coming back to was like Caldric Falk or Bailey or Reese because of the age of Akeem Mettor. Back to Delane for a moment. I didn't know this until earlier today. He's got essentially, he and Pons, the kid DeAngelo Pons, have the two shortest arm lengths of any of the projected, you know, first two-day corners in the draft. Quinn, by the way, has had a preference for longer armed corners throughout his career as a coordinator and as a head coach. Does it bother you that Delane's arms are short? It is something to be considered, but I don't think it bothers me.

I think, you know, like, this applies to offensive linemen, but basically, like, if you see lengths and feet, you're okay. If you see lengths in love of the game or feet in love of the game, you're okay. And I kind of apply that to corners because in some ways there's a lot of transfer there in terms of, like, what they're asked to do. They're basically playing, like, defense, like, in terms of backing up away from the guy they're supposed to be covering or pass protecting against. And so with the lane, I think the instincts, the feel, like, are just,

so high level. Like there's certain times you're like, oh, this guy needs his arm length. You know, like, Decario Davis, for example, from UW. He's 6'4, he's got 34 inch arms, basically. He's 200 pounds. Like, he needs his lengths to recover because his feet aren't as good.

When you watch the lane, for example, like he's able to recover, he's never in a bad spot. He's never stressed. And I think one of the things that I've learned covering or evaluating DBs of the last couple years of doing this is like if they're never stressed, they see it well and they've got the feet to get it done.

And so he's the type of player. I think that the length doesn't concern me because he doesn't need it because of how well he does the other things associated with the position. All right. Let's go to the rest of the drafts or sort of beyond the projected first rounders because I know there are some players that I'm sure you really fell in love with and that you think you've got a beat on maybe even more so than a lot of other people that are looking at this thing.

and we'll look at it in terms of where Washington can add in the third round and beyond. But give me some of those night two and day three favorite Logan Paulson players. Yeah, I mean, there's a couple of them. I mean, we'll start with a guy that's maybe one of my favorite players that I'm so high on, and I can't find anybody else who's eye on him, but I'm just going to throw his name out here. Is Robert Spears Jennings from Oklahoma. He's like a safety kind of nickel-diam linebacker hybrid player. He ran a 4-3 at the Combine, and he's,

He's got long arms, got 33-inch arms. He's 6'1.5. He's 210, 215 pounds. And I just love his, like, edge. You know what I mean? Like, he can play the run. He's, like, throwing offensive linemen off of him. He's in on every tackle. He can run with, like, box safeties and, like, are on box fades with, like, receivers

and things like that. I just see an athlete who's competitive, smart and tough. And that gets me really excited. I have him at 56. That's probably a touch high for where he'll actually go. Probably way high, actually, if I'm being honest. But I can't get enough of him. The other guy is the other receiver from Indiana is Elijah Surratt, and I think he was so pigeonholed in the offense there.

It's kind of running a hitch and fades and comebacks. And then when you watch him at the combine, when you go through every one of his routes and you see him kind of work some stuff from the slot, you see his releases, you see his physicality, you see how he runs through the catch. I think there's a really competitively tough football there that gets me super juiced up and excited. Another one that I'm way higher on, I think, is Tanner Colesol from Houston. He's 6-7. He's like 250-ish, 255 pounds. He's got 34-inch arms kind of this basketball fluidity to him. He's got a great game against LSU if you want to kind of see what he can be.

He's a tight end for those that don't know. Tight end, yeah. Oh, sorry, yes. Sorry, yeah. It's a red zone weapon. So, like, I love, love those guys there. And, yeah, I mean, there's lots of good football. like Josiah Trotter from Missouri, the linebacker, like, one of the most instinctive players to run fits that I've ever watched.

You know, and people don't really talk about him. And there's a, I think he's kind of a subpar athlete, which is why he's 78 of my board. But an absolute baller. You know, Jake Slaughter, the Florida Center, is a guy with great feel, understands positioning, takes great angles to the second level. Like, there's a bunch of guys. Caleb Proctor at 80, man. I'm just looking down the list, man, is one of my favorite interior defensive ass rushers. right? And people say, well, Logomizey 80, there's other guys that are maybe better interior

rushers like Grayson Houlton from Oklahoma as a defensive tackle. I think Caleb Proctor could play stand-up defensive end. I think you play five technique. I think you play three technique. I think you play true nose, right? He's like six, two and a half, two hundred and ninety pounds, but he's got long arms, he's got the burst. So like, in this defense here in Washington, I think he'd be a great fit. You know, there's a guy on your list that would be just outside the first round. He's at 35. He's been one of my favorite players. He was one of my favorite players all season long. And you keep talking about guys that just can play. You know, you're not mentioning measurable. You're not mentioning Indy Combine.

But Jacob Rodriguez, to me, was one of the smartest and one of the most instinctive football players at any position all season long. He played with David Bailey at, at, at, at, at, at Texas Tech. And they were loaded defensively. Like, if you watch that Oregon, playoff game. They didn't lose the game because of their defense. They just could not move the football offensively. So what, I think you like Rodriguez, too, you've got them higher than I think most people have them. Yeah. Well, when you go through the linebackers and you just start watching defensive players, you're like, this dude's a stud, man. He's got great feel for the position. He's got great instincts. He's got a great feel for producing the football with interceptions and

punching the ball out. Like, and again, like, watching him decisively. run to the football. Like I mentioned Josiah Trotter, like great instincts, right? But I think when you look at Jacob Rodriguez, you see a guy who could play the modern iteration of a linebacker position, right? He can cover, he can run, he can tackle, he takes on blocks decent in the weather all times

when he gets eaten up because it's a little bit of a smaller guy, 6-1, 230-ish, 235 pounds. But, you know, had a great combine, tested way better than people thought. So he's a plus athlete with plus instincts. To me, there's not a whole lot to dislike here. I think it's just the total size and length. Give me a slight pause, but I think he's awesome. I think he's my second rated

linebacker on the whole class, I'm not mistaken, so I really like him. All right, you have a couple of centers in your top 100, and I want to ask you about them because I think this team probably has a need at the position. We'll get to that with Logan next after these words from a few of our sponsors. If you don't mind rating and reviewing this podcast, and you haven't done it, it takes maybe 30, seconds to do it and it is really important for us advertisers really look at ratings and reviews it's kind of a top three thing for them when they're considering podcasts to advertise on and the more we get the better off we are and so many of you have rated and reviewed the show and I appreciate it so much and many of you who listen to the show on a regular basis haven't done it I know it's annoying when I

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five, six, seven of them that he thinks will be starting centers in the NFL. I noticed you have a few on your big board in the top 100. Tell me what you think about this center class, because I think they're going to be looking for a center, don't you? Yeah, I think so. I think they're looking for a center or someone to just kind of provide some type of competition there for Allegretti. But I think that was something. Maybe they're maybe not on day one or day two, but like definitely something that they'll target at some point in the draft, I would assume. So do you see starting centers in this draft? He thinks early on, like day one, centers?

Yeah, I mean, day one starting, oh, like guys, it'll start day one. Not guys, it'll be drafted. Right. Right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I think Jake Slaughter from Florida, I just mentioned him, center, like, I think he's got a great feel. He's a little undersized.

You know, he's like 6'5, but he's 305-ish pounds. But just like when you watch, when I watch centers, I'm like, can you reach a nose? Are you quick enough to reach a nose? Yes. Like, how do you handle power? He handles power very well. And then how do you take angles and how do you pull in the space? He does all those things at a very high level.

To me, he's just very, very solid. I look at Sam Hecht from Kansas State, and I didn't really have a lot of file on them. And I started watching him, and I was like, man, you do those things well. You're competitive, you're tough, you're physical. And you've got decent body size. He's like 315 pounds. He's, you know, about 6, 4 and a half. And then Logan Jones is a smaller guy from Iowa, but, man, is so technical.

You know, he's under 300 pounds, but he's so, technical. Great, nice, tight hands. His hands are very strong. His hats are always in the right spot. He does a really good job traveling into space, I think, at the second level, like so, like on screens, pulls, outside zones. He's always in the right side. And I think the other guy that I just want to mention here is he didn't make my top 100, but I think he's a really good football player is Tray Zune from Texas A&M. He played left tackle there. He's probably going to bump inside. You saw him snap a little bit at the senior ball. I think he's got five-position flexibility. I think is forever home because of some play strength concerns and some length concerns were probably

be center. But he was a four-year starter at A&M. He won, I think it was the offensive lineman of the year for that contrast over guys like, you know, Caleb Proctor and things like that. So really good football player, but again, left tackle that's converting. And I think there's a couple other guys like that that are, that play tackle that will convert to center, excuse me, that I think kind of flush out that kind of starting caliber center role that your friend was talking about. Last one. If the wide receiver comes on night two in the third round, because they're in the market for a wide receiver, and it might be Brandon Iuk, it might be Brandon Iuk, and somebody they select over the next few days. But if they don't pick, you know, Carnell Tate or a receiver at seven, and even if they trade back, they don't get a receiver like, you know, Cooper Jr., who would you want it to be at 71 if I told you,

the receiver was picked there. Yeah, so obviously, like, there's names like Jeremy Bernard from Alabama, there's Deshaun Shribling from Old Miss, there's Ted Hurst. I personally think those guys probably go in the second round. Okay. But if one of those guys were to take a little bit of the slide for whatever reason, I'd probably kick the tires on that. The film on Chris Brazel is awesome.

You know, he's 6'5, he's 105 pounds. Round of 4'3. There are some, I've heard some, like, you know, character stuff. that may push them down boards, but very, very physically gifted. And then you kind of get into that the guys that will be there, I think, in the third round, and you get into your Zachariah branches, your Malachi Fields from Notre Dame, Antonio Williams, it's a true slot, is a special mover. We already talked about Elijah Sherrod.

And then I think Chris Bell, like that. Some people have him going higher than this from Louisville. But I, because of the ACL, I think he might slip, but he looks like AJ Brown when I watch him. So I look at those five names I just mentioned, and I think, you know, Bryce Lance is another name. Or Brennan Thompson, I might also throw in there from Mississippi State. I might throw those guys in there as well. I think all those guys could be a legit two receiver at the NFL, given the right growth opportunity. Now, Antonio Williams, Zacharii Branch, I think are both guys that are pure slot guys.

But Malachi Fields is, you know, 6-5. Elijah Sarad is 6-2. Chris Bell is 6-2 and a half. Bryce Lance is six three and a half. There are some big body guys that have some down the field route running nuance to them, which I think is pretty exciting. The big guy

that I like is Boston. Obviously he's not going to be there at 71. That's wishful thinking, Kevin. Yeah, I know it is. But Branch, you mentioned Branch. And I've talked about him and I've compared him and nobody is Taree Hill.

But he plays like Tareek Hill. And I know that almost every past caught was at the last scrimmage. But he looks like, to me, a player that we could be talking about as NFL fans for years to come is just an absolute slot screen-catching playmaker. And he might be there at 71.

I think that's very realistic. And I think the thing about Zachari Branch, which I think is interesting, is like when you watch his downfield routes, I think he's open. Now, the question I have is, like, can you finish those routes? Can you catch that football? Can you track the football in the air?

Because, like you said, so much of his target volume was at near and around the line of scrimmage, where he is dynamic and special. And there is, I think the Tyree Kill thing is awesome because very rarely do you see a player that can accelerate as quickly as Zachari Branch or Tyree Kill and then get the top speed, like, in two steps. And so you see him outrunning angles. You see him making explosive plays off these screens. You say and make people miss in the phone booth.

That's incredibly exciting as like a satellite player. But can you actually play receiver? It would be my question. And I think that's one of the reasons why he's so low. But if he's in a different offense, you probably feel differently about him. I'll tell you, in two years, the kid from Miami, Malachi, Tony, is going to be Tyree Kill. That guy looks like Tyree Kill. And I love watch.

I just thought Branch. and he played big in all of their big games too, including that playoff game, the one that they lost to Ole Miss. Always great. Love doing this with you. Enjoy the next few days. We'll talk down the road.

Thanks, Kevin. Appreciate it, buddy. Logan Paulson, everybody. Always so good. All right, that's it until tomorrow. See you.