The Kevin Sheehan Show - The Duel In The District

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

Kevin and Thom today opened with the Duke-Michigan showdown Saturday night at Capital One Arena in Chinatown, a game dubbed, "The Duel In The District". Who knew. The guys discussed Jayden Daniels' praising of Philadelphia Eagles fans in a recent interview. The boys also got to Adam Silver's displeasure with NBA tanking while Mark Cuban is okay with it. Also on the show, the passing of legend Robert Duvall. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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It's always. Window Nation. 86690 Nation for Window Nation. com if you need new windows. I got this from Ben. Ben writes, Kevin. Why is Duke playing Michigan this weekend in D.C.? Uh, you know,

I didn't even realize that Michigan is playing Duke at Capitol One Arena on Saturday evening at 630, ESPN broadcast. ESPN Game Day is actually going to be here in D.C. for Michigan versus Duke on Saturday night. I didn't realize it until, I think, earlier this week and somebody else mentioned it to me. Ben, my answer is that over the years, Duke has tried to schedule games during their regular season against non-conference opponents in places in which they might end up playing in the NCAA tournament regional. Washington is the East Regional site this year. That means two Sweet 16 games in late March, followed by an elite eight game two days later. Duke's done it before.

They've played Madison Square Garden when the East Regional's played. I think the last time Capital One had the East Regional, which Duke played Tommy in that East Regional final against Michigan State. it was a hell of a game. I was there. This is five, six years ago, seven years ago now. And that particular year, I'm pretty sure Duke played Georgetown at Capital One Arena. Duke has played teams at Madison Square Garden. They've played games in other East Regional sites over the years if they can schedule it

because they want to get some experience playing in the building that they think they might end up playing in come the NCAA tournament. That's my only answer. That's some forward thinking there, buddy. Would you say? That's some forward thinking there. Coach K did it many times. Yeah.

I guess I could have looked up why Duke Michigan is in D.C. Before trying to answer it on my own. And maybe somebody's written about this. But I'm pretty sure Coach K. to do this all the time. Here's one thing Duke used to do all the time scheduling-wise. They used to schedule a big non-conference game in the middle of their conference season. This game, by the way, is called the Capitol Showcase, and it's, it doesn't say why it's Duke

versus Michigan. I'll tell you this, though, Tommy, college game day being in D.C., at Capital One Arena, for a game involving anybody but a local team, Maryland or Georgetown in particular, is terrible for Maryland and Georgetown and other local teams. On the other hand, if you're monumental sports and you have the vision that Ted Leones says claims that they have, you think they'd be promoting this left and right? Yes. That this would be, wouldn't you think that this would be a big deal this week?

I'll just say. It's not like they're promoting their own basketball team. Nobody goes to be them. I feel like this is a repeat of us knocking their ability to promote and market things. I feel like we've had this conversation before about something else that we didn't know about. Not with monumental. I think it was monumental. Really?

I mean, the nationals are horrible at it. But, I mean, Ted is usually one not to miss an opportunity to, you know, to let people know about his product. And the arena is his product. And this huge event, this big game. You know, like you said, college game day come in the town. This is a big deal. I can tell you this.

Michigan and Duke have a. tremendous number of alums in the DMV. Michigan, I mean, because it's a bigger school, would probably have more than Duke, but I would bet you in the list of alumni groups living in the DMV after Maryland, I know George Mason's way up there

because of the size of the school, Virginia Tech, Penn State are way up on the list. I bet you Michigan's high up on the list and Duke is as well. But I can't, can't find anything that says specifically other than this is called the Capitol Showcase. And we're getting the first matchup between Michigan and Duke in 13 years. And for those of you that don't know, and if I haven't said it already, Michigan's number one in the country. Duke is number three. This is one of the biggest regular season games

of the season. Neutral site here. I don't think, I mean, And it's almost like, you know, they're coming here to play a game. And by the way, the tickets are outrageous right now. I'm looking at the tickets. It's a sold-out game. I mean, you're going to have to pay a thousand bucks just to get in the arena if you want to go. That tells you just how many alums are here from those schools. But, I mean, it's almost like, you know, they're acting as if, like, hey, we're going to introduce college basketball to the nation's capital.

Get out of here. I know it's probably great for monumental, great for Capital One. This game should be Maryland versus Duke at Capital One, but Duke will never play Maryland in the non-conference. I mean, or make it Georgetown versus Duke. They've played before. Duke's played Georgetown before. And with Shoshchevsky is kind of like Coach Thompson was over the

Georgetown program. You know, he's still the, you know, he's still the godfather. So John Shire is not going to schedule a non-conference game. By the way, I'm glad Maryland's not playing in this game this year because they stink.

But John Shire, I don't think, will play Maryland as long as Coach Kay's alive. And I don't see any reason that he's not going to be for many, many years, you know, head. Here is a release, and it's kind of from monumental sports. Here's a release from monumental sports. Apparently, Duke and Michigan, we're going to hold

open practices, according to this release. Yeah, for all the... Now, the good news is the WCAC tournament will be going on this weekend, so there will be a major focus, high school basketball-wise, on the Catholic League. Quarterfinals are Saturday, semifinals, or Sunday at A.U. I'll be there Sunday as long as it doesn't snow a lot but I'll still be there because it's walking distance from my house. But continue.

The practices for Duke and Michigan from 10 to noon are this Saturday are open. Open practices. Okay. This is called the Edward Jones Capital Showcase and it's presented by Bad Boy Motors.

They've got some sponsors. Yes. And Rees-Dave and Jay Billis is going to be here and Seth Greenberg and Jay Williams. I reached out to Jay Billis just a little while ago to ask him if he'd come on the show Friday. And hopefully I'll have Mon because I saw the college game day was going to be here. Yeah. And admission is free.

Doors open at 9 a.m. Fans will still need to claim a ticket on Ticketmaster, open seating. So Monumental did announce something about this. And the Gazelle group are the ones sponsoring it. They're producing it. They produce college basketball games. That's what they do. Well, I would imagine, this is, Duke's always played these tough non-conference games.

I can remember over the years, man. Carolina did it for a while. You know who used to do it? Actually, Gary did it for a while. Um, Lefty did it all the time. Lefty had a series with Notre Dame in the 70s and the 80s, Tommy, where they had a home and home where, you know, they played at Notre Dame one year back in college park the next. And those games were always in January or February. Typically they were like right in the middle of the conference schedule. Um, Maryland once played, listen to this. This is, this is true. I'm almost 100% positive.

I'm going to have to go. It would have been 1985 Maryland basketball. I think they played Notre Dame and Villanova on back-to-back days. On a Saturday against Notre Dame in College Park and against Villanova on a Sunday at Coalfield House. I'm almost positive that I'm right about that. I want to just check the 84-85 Terps. How about this one? How about this one? Saturday, January 26th, 1985, they played Notre Dame at Cole. They beat him 77 to 65. The next day, Sunday, January 27th, they played Villanova at home and beat Villanova 77 to 74. That team would later play Villanova in the Sweet 16. in Birmingham, and they lost.

That's the 85 Villanova team that won it all. Maryland played him twice. They played him in the regular season at home and beat them, and then they played him in the Sweet 16. I've referenced this game often. It's the worst game of Len Bias' career. He was two for 15 in the game from the field, and they lost by the final score of, here it is,

46 to 43. I'm sorry, bias was 4 of 13 and finished with eight points. Eight points he finished with. Wow. It was the worst game of his career. In the Sweet 16, Villanova went on to beat Carolina in the elite eight, beat Memphis and then beat Georgetown. We're not talking about marijuana, Ben. I know.

We're not talking about marijuana. They're not playing in this game. They're not playing in this game. That's correct. Right. This game was announced in June of last year. I was just telling you, a lot of teams do not schedule heavyweight matchups in the middle of conference play. Those are relegated to November and December. But Duke's done it. They've done it over the years and they're doing it now.

But DC, there's still no, like, other than big sponsors and maybe some big money for these teams to play each other in a made-for-TV match. I don't know. I would assume so. But I know that Duke's got a history of trying to schedule a game in a place in which they might be playing an NCAA tournament game. This thing is being called dual in the district. She even has a name. Well, that's dumb. Doesn't need a name. Okay. Let me pose this question to you.

five years from now, if they're going to have dual in the district, where is it going to be held? Five years from now, if they're going to have a duel in the district college basketball game, where is it going to be held? Yeah. Capital One Arena. I don't know what you're getting at. Why wouldn't it be held in the new commander's stadium? Oh, five years from now. I see what you're saying.

Yes. Well, I mean, because why would you, I mean, it's not a Final Four game, it's not a regional game. You know, college basketball has kind of gotten away from holding some of those Sweet 16 regionals in stadiums. They've gone back to arenas. That's true. That's true. You're right. Especially since they're putting all that money into that arena down there, yeah, I guess they'd come back.

I guess my overarching theme here is, if you're Maryland and Georgetown, you don't want this. You don't want Duke in Michigan playing number one versus number three, Capitol one arena and a heavyweight national matchup with game day being there all day long and neither one of your two teams is involved. Recruiting-wise, it's certainly not going to hurt them. Although money talks now in recruiting, and they got plenty of money both of those teams. I mean, Michigan really paid big for the team they've got this year.

Big, big money for their team. They're loaded. Number one versus number three. You want to go? You know, I'd like to, but I'll be sitting in 72-degree weather by the pool in Cocoa Beach. I mean, the tickets for this thing, wow. there is demand for this. It's, you know, college basketball is having a pretty good season.

And I'm just starting to pay attention, but it's not, you know, captured me because my team stinks. When your own team stinks in a niche sport, it's hard to get into it. And college basketball has become, you know, very sort of, if you got a team great, if not, it's not, it's not. It's kind of niche, don't you think? I don't think so. College football. You follow it closer than I do, so you would know. I think it's become pretty much a March sport for the most part.

Wow. Yeah. Ben, thanks for the reminder. Yes, the biggest college basketball game of the season between two teams from outside the area will be played in the area, a Capital One arena. The dual? The duel in the district. Big duel in the district. Tommy doesn't think they're promoting it very well.

Well, I could, you know, I see a release, and I could just be, you know, that's because I didn't see it, doesn't mean they weren't promoting it. I'll take that back for now. There have been, there has been information put out there about it. Yeah. And they are having open practices. That's a pretty, that's a pretty cool thing.

That's a pretty good promotion, even though they don't have to. You know, because every ticket would probably be sold by then. I've told you the story about Jim Calhoun at the New York Athletic Club, Big East Tournament. Yes. Yes. Yeah. But tell it again. Well, so Karen and I were up in New York hanging out with friends for the weekend.

It was the weekend of the Big East tournament in New York. We were staying at the New York Athletic Club and on Saturday morning, my buddy Jimmy and I got up and we went to the gym and we were playing pickup basketball. And, you know, after a few games, it's getting to be about, I don't know, 10, 30, 11 in the morning and we see a bunch of very tall individuals start walking in to the gym, followed by, you know, a large group of people that appeared to be part of a contingent of some sort.

Well, it turns out it was the Yukon basketball team. And here comes Jim Calhoun. He walks in. And I guess it was their PR guy walked over, and literally walks out onto the court as our games going on. And he said, you guys got to wrap it up. We're here to practice for the Yukon basketball team. And I said, give us, you know, three minutes.

you know, I think we were playing 21 ones and twos and it was like 18 to 15 or something. I don't know what it was. There was something like that. And he goes, no, you got to go now. And Jim Calhoun heard the exchange and he walks over and he said, what are you guys playing to? And I said, you know, 21, what's the score?

I said it's 18, 17. He goes, you guys finish up. No problem. So we finished up And as we were wrapping it up, walking off the floor, he said, if any of you guys want to stay and watch this practice, you're more than welcome. It wasn't publicized as a duel in D.C. open practice or, you know, a duel in NYC open practice.

But, you know, most of the guys took off. And I said, yeah, I'd love to, coach. Thank you so much. And I sat there and watched them practice. And I'll never forget what they practiced. It was a walkthrough. I mean, this was day three or whatever for them in the big east. Actually, wait a minute.

This was the year that what's his face had the big run. Campbell Walker. Campbell Walker had the big run over like four or five days. I'd have to pull it up to see exactly how many games they played. But they were playing Louisville and Rick Petino, who was coaching Louisville in the final. and Louisville was a full court pressure team, start to finish. And I remember all they did for 20 minutes and then it got boring and my buddy Jimmy and I left. All they did was walk through their press break over and over and over again.

Yes, Campbell Walker, oh my God, five, five nights. They played five games to win. the Big East tournament. Campbell Walker had an unbelievable run through that tournament. Yeah. So I've been to an open practice before, Tommy. I've been there, done that. I'm not interested in Saturdays.

So when Jim Calhoun got a look at you in the pickup game, he didn't say, boy, she and I wish I'd seen you at high school. I don't think that's... You didn't say that? No, I don't think he said that. No. But I do remember saying to him, that's a really nice offer. I'm going to stay and watch.

And because I said, we're going to stay watch, my buddy Jimmy and I. And we stayed and watched. And, you know, Calhoun had a very kind of rough exterior persona, but he couldn't have been nicer that day. Yeah. Yeah. You know, not every coach was fond of Calhoun. You know, those that competed against him, those that recruited.

against him because there were shenanigans going on with Yukon's recruiting going all the way back to his early days. But I mean, look at how Yukon, Yukons, I don't consider Yukon a blue blood, but a lot of people do. I mean, they have, is it five titles between Calhoun and Hurley? Is it because they're a latecomer? Maybe. That's probably it? So it's not old money. It's new money. It's new money.

Yeah. Because I consider the Blue Blood still to be Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas. I think those are the Bulls. That's old money. That's old money. But, you know, we're doing a lot of college hoops here at the beginning. Thank you, Ben, for starting us off on this. You gave me something to watch on Saturday. I'll watch the game on Saturday. I'm probably going to watch it too. All right, we went too long on this, but the actual thing that I want to get to today on the show is something that Jaden Daniels said about Eagles fans. We'll get to that after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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even though I've just seen this video now. S-I-Now, Sports Illustrated now, I guess, did interviews with players. Jaden made the rounds, you know, on Radio Row or wherever they had media at the Super Bowl a week and a half ago. And he made the following comment about Eagles fans. I don't know what the context is. I've only read the quote. but he was talking about the Philadelphia Eagles fans, praising Eagles fans,

saying that the environment in Philadelphia is the closest thing to college football in the NFL and said, quote, I love Eagles fans. They embody what Philly is. They bring it. Closed quote. You know, there was another superstar in town back in 20, 18, 2017, that was pretty fond of Philadelphia fans as well and made his way to Philadelphia

and has played there ever since. Bryce Harper. Yes. Yes. Who is actually making his own noise these days. Yeah. Since during the winter, the team's president, Dave Dombrowski, said Harper did not have an elite year. Right. He didn't. He was hurt a lot. And he didn't. Yeah. and Harper took that personally, and it's become a big issue now in spring training. So I guess those of you that are listening are, you know, reacting to it in your own way.

I'll share with you my reaction after reading this. You know what? He played in one of the most unbelievable environments in sports in college. I've been to Death Valley at night for a game. And it's a top five sporting event that I've ever been to in terms of just the feel, the electricity of that building. You know, there are 98,000 inside it and another 300,000 outside of it. I've told this story many times, but went down there for an Alabama LSU night game in Death Valley, my first experience with Death Valley.

And actually it's not. It was my second experience with Death Valley. I went to a game many, many years ago, but it was not an Alabama LSU game. But it felt we got there at 2 o'clock for a 6 o'clock kickoff, and it felt like we were three days too late for the party. And the loud, just raucous, unbelievable environment, he's not had that.

You know, bless every. everybody's hearts for the effort that they, you know, gave as fans during the 2024 season, because it was certainly better than it's been out in Landover in many, many years. That Atlanta game, that playoff clinching game was insane. The Hail Mary was insane. But in terms of a true, crazed atmosphere, he played in it. And in the NFL, I don't know if Lincoln Financial is what the vet was. Philly fans will tell you it's not, just like Redskin fans will tell you, you know,

Landover's never been what RFK was. But a guy who played in Death Valley for two seasons knows, knows what a great environment for a football game is. And he's telling you that his one game in Philadelphia, he played on a Thursday night in Philadelphia. that was his one game because remember if you didn't remember this, they sat him for the last five games this year and he missed both Philadelphia

games, home and road. But you know what? Part of me is like, yeah, he's right. He's right. Of course he's right. I mean, look, I've covered games at Lincoln Financial Field. It's raucous.

Yeah. Okay. I mean, you know, I mean, and FedEx, actually, what's it called now? Northwest Field, I believe it is. Northwest. Northwest Bank or Northwest Stadium Field or whatever. Anyway, it's not like that, and it hasn't been like that. And that doesn't mean you have to say it, though.

Right. Yeah. You know what? So that was not part of my first. reaction. And I think it's because I don't think he can do any wrong in my book. Um, uh, but you know what? Yeah, he probably shouldn't have said it. You know, he, yeah, one of the other things he said during Super Bowl week was, you know, he kind of injected himself into the Brandon Ayuk thing. And I said, you and I talked about this. And I said, you know, probably best not to weigh in on something like

that right now. You're not the GM. You don't people to perceive you thinking you're playing GM or perceive that you have a significant input into personnel. You don't want that. And you don't want the perception to be or worse, reality to be. If they don't get Brandon I, you're going to be unhappy. Or if they do get them, it was because of you. It's not really what the front office wanted. But, you know, that was a small knit to pick. This would be a very tiny knit to pick. I'd have to hear the question leading into it. Did, you know, but because, yeah. I mean, it's not a big deal.

It's not a big deal. And I don't think it's part of a pattern, an emerging pattern of behavior. I think he was just, you know, maybe, you know, he's still pretty young in terms of media savvy and just, you know, hasn't, look, his whole generation is like this, just because of thought is in your head, doesn't mean you have to say it. Their whole generation is that way.

Is that what you said? Really? Yeah. It really is. Well, I mean, you know, everything I think is important, therefore I have to say it. Well, we do that a lot in our format here.

Yeah, but we're getting paid. This is our business. Uh-huh. Well, he's getting paid. too, but not to talk about Philly fans being great fans. No. Point taken. Probably one of those

things where, yeah, we got great fans, but we got great fans too. That should have been part of the answer. They've got great fans. It's really an incredible environment, but we've got really great fans too. He didn't say that

from what I can tell. And let me just tell you, he played in 2024. And that season, as far as fans go in Landover, probably the best, you know, crowd situation, fan situation, you know, we've had in years.

And still, you know, when Philly played here, there were a lot of Philly fans. When Pittsburgh played here, there were a lot of Pittsburgh fans. So that's the other part of it. He's not used to that. You know, opposing fans don't invade Death Valley for a night game.

you know, they've got their own little tiny section in the upper deck. We have not had a true home field advantage for our football team in a long, long time. I'm not saying that there weren't moments in 24 in that Atlanta game. Atlanta fans don't really travel, and that was a great crowd and a great, very exciting football game. and a lot of stadiums get invaded by opponents fans. That now is a regular occurrence. But I'll tell you what, we were kind of by ourselves there early on in the movement. Because they were available.

Anyway. People say winning, we'll change that. And it's not just simply winning. It's winning consistently. it's letting people know that yeah something special is happening here and it will continue to happen and you want to be part of it jaden if you want 2026 to be an environment close to philly's environment tell your owner to change the name back to redskins that'll help a lot that would that be a sound bite Yeah, that would be quite the soundbite

And it would be a soundbite That would make him the most popular man in Washington Anyway, small knit to pick He probably just should have mentioned that his fan base is a terrific one As well We don't know, like you said, we don't know If we're getting the whole statement

We don't know We got a show today There's a theme today A theme We're taking just a little bit of information and running with it. We didn't know much about the duel in D.C. We didn't know much about this quote

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plus a free $60 gift. That's thrivemarket.com slash sheen. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelly's. Shelly's backroom at 1331 F Street Northwest in the district. I tell you what, you've got two powerhouse college basketball teams playing right down the street. So I suspect there'll be a lot of Duke and Michigan fans lighten up before the game and only one set of them. A lot of pretension at Shelly's.

A lot of pretension at Shelly's this weekend. Okay. Okay. I mean. Okay. Well, I tell you why, if that's the case, then it's your job as a loyal D.C. sports supporter out there to show up at Shelly's and represent. Okay.

There's going to be a lot of pretension there. You need to show them the real deal what a Shelly's customer is really like. And you can do that at Shelly's back room. find out more, go to shelley's backroom.com. All right. You wrote a column about the NBA and Adam Silver, so tell everybody what the column is about, and then we can discuss.

Well, it's kind of a disaster, a mini-disaster for the NBA, is on its All-Star weekend, you had the commissioner of the NBA stand up there and basically declare that, yeah, teams are trying to lose. and we can't do anything to stop it. Yeah. That's not what you want.

The fining, you don't think the fining will work? They fine the jazz and the Pacers? The cost of doing business. Right, right, yeah. That's almost always what a fine is. Right. The cost of doing business. You know?

I mean, the draft pick is much more important to them than the fine. So it's like it should be for the win. too. He didn't mention the wizards probably because he forgot they were in the league. That's what Tommy wrote in this column. He didn't mention the wizards because maybe Adam Silver forgot that the wizards were in the league. Man, you keep getting closer and closer to, you know, that parking spot being given back to you and they garage at Capital One. And then you do something like this and they're like, nope, pull it. He can't park here. He's going have to pay for it three blocks away.

You know, I'm old, and I can't learn my lessons very well, I guess. That's what the problem. I mean, we had a nice lunch with Ted last year down at Capital One. Yes, we did. Did we talk about that on the show? Have we ever talked about that? I think we did. We talked about it.

Tommy and I had lunch with Ted down at his office. Let's see how honest you are. What was the gist at a lunch? the gist of the lunch was I mean I think I think Ted how great Ted is well I think Ted no I think Ted's new PR

agency he had a new PR agency I think that because Ted you know the debacle of sort of the communication during the you know potential move to Virginia and all of that so he got you know a new PR agency and I think they felt like he should get to know people in the media a little bit better.

I know what that. Well, that's what you asked me. What was the purpose? No, I asked you, what did you come away? What was our conversation about? A lot of what Ted likes to do and talk about, his art, his galleries, his different things. It was a nice lunch. It was a nice lunch.

Let's leave it at that. It was a nice lunch. And we got a bag of swag to take with it, too. Yeah, we did. What was the swag for? I can't remember what it was. Capitals, capitals. Capital stuff.

Capital stuff. I actually auctioned all that. Oh, no, you did? Oh, God. At the Starz and Curveballs event. Oh, my God. I actually. All that swag off.

You know, I'm not a big swag person to begin with, and I bet you that, because he did give us a lot of stuff, I would bet you that. that I have it somewhere in the house. Because it was a big bag, right? Didn't he give us a big bag? Yes, it was. I felt like one of these girls who used to sleep with Derek Cheetah and got a gift bag when they left.

Oh, my God. Well, I mean, now we get into the cigars. Did he light one up after we left? So I do think I got a hat out of that because I wear this Capitol's hat all the time. it's one of these hats that just fits my head perfectly, and I have this hat. I've got about six or seven hats in my rotation of baseball hats. And I hope that D.C. Gray's hat is in that rotation.

I have a D.C. Gray's hat in that rotation. But I have a Capitol's hat in that rotation, and I am assuming that I got it from the bag of swag that Ted gave us. Was that last, that wasn't this past fall. was a year ago? A year ago, please. Yeah, a year ago. It was, I know it was like, yeah.

My column is about how, what a bad look it is to have the NBA basically say, you know, yes, some nights were unwatchable. I think we can assume that if a team's trying to lose, that's, that's unwatchable, which is what I've been saying all along. and I suggested in the column that instead of finding or disciplining teams, maybe what they should do is because Adam Silver said, you know, we need to look out for the fans. Well, if you're looking out for the fans,

then have a ticket rebate for tanking teams. So if the league determines that you're a tanking team, then 25% comes off the price of your tickets. You get a ticket rebate right from the start of your team is tanking. you can't stop them, then don't charge so much because if you're not, you're putting out a fraudulent product. I'll tell you what, honestly, if you're one of these tanking teams like the Wizards, you don't even have to offer a ticket rebate.

I mean, the tickets are basically free anyway. I mean, you know, I read this thing from Cuban yesterday. I don't know if you saw his comments about this. He said that the NBA basically should embrace. tanking. This is a contrarian view for you. He writes, the NBA's been misguided, thinking that fans want to see their teams compete every night with a chance to win. It's never been that way. When I got into the NBA, they thought they were in the basketball business. They aren't. They are in the business of creating experiences for fans. Few can remember the score from the last game they saw or went to.

They can't remember the dunks or shots. What they remember is who they were with, the family, friends, a date. That's what makes the experience special. Fans know their team can't win every game. They know only one team can win a ring. What fan that cares about their team's record, what they want is hope. And then he writes, the NBA should worry more about the fan experience than tanking. It should worry more about pricing fans out of games than tanking. Tanking isn't the issue. Affordability and quality of the game presentation. Let me just tell you. something, it's very affordable to go to Wizards games. I mean, literally, I'm looking at Stubhub right now. But that's not what they intend. That's not by on purpose. But that's the result of a team tanking. So the Wizards are a tanking team, and right now on Stubhub, you can get amazing seats.

This is how they're described on Stubhub, for $12 to the Pacers game, I guess, tomorrow night. However, however, if you were. foolish enough to buy a season ticket. Right. Your team? Why would you do that? Why would you buy season tickets for wizard? Let me just say some.

I decided, for business purposes. I decided many years ago, I will never buy season tickets to any of these teams again because it's so easy to get the best seat or one of the best seats for the big games that you want to go to. and you end up paying a lot less than what you would plunk down for season tickets. Now, I have thought about in recent years, you know, once again getting Maryland season tickets, but I can go to any game that I want to go to. And if I can't get tickets to a game, I can, you know, for a big game, I can get them on Stubhub.

Like the aftermarket, if you play it right, you're going to spend a lot less and you're going to go to the games that you really want to go to. And then you're not going to have to worry about, you know, oh, my God, we've got all these tickets for these upcoming games that we can't get to, you know, and worry about, you know, I've got to send an email out to all these people to see who wants them, or I've got to send it out to the company. And for the Wizards, you can't give them away. You can't give them away anyway. I think Cubans wrong about this. So do I. I don't think that. I think he's way off base.

I think he's off base. He's right about the fan experience. And actually, Ted has done that with this big halo section that they just unveiled. You know, it's a very high profile, very expensive, I think, section for fans that concentrates on the game experience more than the game. Okay. So you disagree with Mark Cuban. I was about to say, I don't think Cubans, I think he's got it wrong on the value proposition for tanking teams.

I think for a tanking team, the value proposition is pretty good. I mean, now, not if you own season tickets, that's true. But for a one-off here or there, I mean, you can have a night of it. If you want to go to a Wizards game the rest of the year, you can really, I mean, you can invite the whole group and probably, you know, find a section that. you can all sit in together for not a lot of money. But this is why he has no, he's so distant from what a real fan experience. I know he wears his t-shirts and thinks he's in everyday Joe. But let me tell you something, most fans who don't see the game, who go to maybe four or five games a year, if they're lucky,

they know who won or who lost those games. Not only that, not only that, they know who played in those games. and to me, if you're going to embrace tanking, you're going to embrace, you're embracing giving the customer an inferior product because you think what they want is the Halo experience, or you think they want to be able to, you know, easily bet on the game, or you think the kids want the designated kid play area

where they can play games and stuff. I know that that's a big deal for baseball games. 81 of those, and they've got 41 of these in the basketball season. But when your superstars, you know, you've paid to see the best players play, either for your team or for the opponent, and they're not playing because the team's tanking, you recognize the inferiority of that product. And the other thing, too, Tommy, and this probably is definitely a reflection of, you know, my age. I mean, this isn't true when I go to a baseball game necessarily or a hockey game.

It's definitely not true when I go to a hockey game. And I can't tell you the last time I went to a hockey game. I didn't go to a game last year. I haven't been to a game this year. But I used to go to two or three hockey games a year, you know, whether they were friends or tickets from somebody. And I enjoy being at a hockey game and couldn't care less who won the game because I'm not a Caps fan. but when I'm at a wizard's game, I want the wizards to win. I'm there to watch them win the game.

The Nats with 162 and 81 at home, I mean, you realize that they're going to lose games and it's not a big deal. But pretty much most of my going to sporting events is because I have a rooting interest in the team. And I want them to win the game. And Cubans essentially saying nobody cares about that anymore. Well, again, he comes across us as everyday Joe, and he's been so far removed from that life for decades now. Well, here's the thing that I don't think that there's an easy answer to, and that is what Adam Silver suggested over the weekend, which is tweaking the draft. And there's even been some talk about completely doing away with the draft. well then how do you get players? Is every player a free agent coming out? I mean, then that really...

I think that would be it. And then you basically have, you know, the richest teams. Haves and have nots. Yeah. Yeah. Now, it's not exactly baseball for a couple of reasons. You know, basketball does have luxury tax. They've got aprons. They've got also much smaller rosters. but yeah I mean for the for the most part you'd end up with you know a large group of halves and have not see the irony of everything about the NBA here recently is that we are in the midst of seven different champions in seven consecutive years after having this sport dominated by dynasties you know or or big market or big premium marquee teams.

I mean, Oklahoma City and Milwaukee have won titles in the last three or four years. Oklahoma City actually... Oklahoma City played Indiana. And they played Indiana in the finals last year. Yes. I mean, never has the NBA offered up the opportunity for the have-nots, if there really are have-nots, and I think there have been over the years, to, you know, have a chance.

But to have a legitimate chance, You've got to have a top five player and then a really strong supporting cast. And this is where the Wizards, and I know that you don't necessarily agree, but what they've been doing here for the last two and a half years is the only way for a team like the Wizards to pull it off. There's no guarantee they will, but it's the only way that gives them a chance to pull it off. But for every acknowledgement of that should follow that. We shouldn't have had to go through this pain. Well, the last two and a half years or the last 47?

Well, in other words, because of the last 47, you can understand why they're going through it now, but there should be recriminations on a daily basis. Well, I mean, they don't draw very well, do they? Let's not pat them on the back saying, oh, they're doing a great job. this may be the only way to do it, but it sucks that they have to do it this way. And the organization, Ted and A before him,

is responsible for that. Okay. They're doing a good job, though, with what they're doing. I know that, but still, it's bullshit until they get the key player. I'll say it again.

And of course, it's contingent on, you know, Anthony Ouchie Davis. I've got an ouchy. I'm out for four weeks. But if he plays and if he's healthy, they are going to have a team next year that I think could finish in the top four in the east, top five in the east. Well, I don't know about that.

Maybe. That may be. They will be a very competitive team if you've got Anthony Davis out there for what? 60. 65 games? 65, yeah, 65, give or take 20. I'd say, yeah, I say 55, you know? You know?

And him and Trey Young out there with that group? Yeah, okay. But then they're gone. They're gone after that. I don't know. We might be getting extensions. Anthony Davis, if you're lucky enough to make the playoffs next year, it'll be 34 when those playoffs start.

Okay. I understand. I'm not saying that you're starting a dynasty with Anthony Davis and Trey Young, but 34 years old is not, you know, super old other than, you know. He had a 34-year-old body to second year and the week. Other than if you've got, you know, a lot of wear and tear. And I, you know, he certainly has a long list of things that should be wear and tear. Some of those things really weren't necessarily things, I don't think.

Those two players are here because of Halo Because Ted is about to ask a lot of people To spend a lot of money on tickets for his team And you can't put out there to kiddie core When you're selling the high-priced ticket That is fair The other part of it though Which is what

What Dawkins said And I had him on the show last week And he said something that I said to you last week When we were having this conversation or two weeks ago now. And that is we don't think that, you know, another season of playing a lot of these kinds of games is good for development. Our young players need to play meaningful games. That's one of the reasons you do this, because you want to be developing these young players.

When teams come in, they actually are trying because they know they have to try to win the game. You know, you're looking at standing. Those are significant. You know what we didn't talk about last week? It just occurred to me is if next year is the year that they're going to start trying to win. I wonder if they will make a coaching change in the offseason. I talked to Josh Robbins about this, but I haven't talked to you about this when I had Josh on the show, the day of the trade. Because Brian Keefe, you know, by all accounts, he is going.

good at the development process, the teaching process. We don't know if he's good at the X's and O's process. Listen, last year, the athletic did one of these anonymous player polls, anonymous polls, and Brian Keefe was rated at the worst coach in the league. Because they were on the worst team, one of the worst teams. Okay. How do you even evaluate a coach when your team's not trying to win? That's a tough evaluation.

But you're telling you, you present reasons they should keep them. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not saying that. I'm saying it'll be interesting to see if, because A, he's cheap, relatively speaking. B, he's been here for the two and a half year tanking. And, you know, does he coach the team coming out of the tank? Brett Brown did for a year or two or three in Philadelphia, I think it was.

I don't know enough about Brian Keefe because it's not like you're sitting there watching them night in, night out, rooting for them to win when you know that they don't want to win. It is hard to, 100% hard to root for a team that isn't trying to win, even though I feel like what they're doing is the right thing. That's why I'm a little bit enthused or rejuvenated about next year because I think we're going to enter a season in which, you know, preseason picks are going to have the Wizards as a playoff team in the East and a team that might win 45 games.

So I wonder if they'll change the coach. They know more. I don't know enough about Brian Keefe, have no idea. All right. Robert Duval passed away. We'll talk about his life as much as we can next after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, it's time to start banking much smarter than the way we're doing it. I've been telling you about Chime.

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By the way, I was just about to close out Stubhub, and actually the lowest ticket price for the Pacers, Wizards game, is $8. I said 12, it's actually $8. So you can get in for $8. That's a pretty good deal to go to an NBA game for $8. bucks. All right. Robert Duvall passed away the other day. I know you've got a lot on a guy that you were a massive fan of. I enjoyed him as well. Go ahead. Well, I was a huge fan of Robert Duvall. He made every project he was in better. Even the great projects that didn't need help. Like the

Godfather movies, there's so much, so many great performances in the Godfather movies. And his is right up there at the top. So good. You know, Network. One of the great movies of all time. Network.

He's great in that as the ruthless network executive. You know, but I post on social media, let's be clear that while there's a lot of great movie performances, everything is second to Lonesome Dove. the miniseries, everything.

I didn't watch it. Oh, oh. It was his favorite role. It was? He came out and said. Yeah, it was his favorite role. I mean, and, and, uh, it's just, I mean, you know, I've watched Lonesome Dove three times over the years.

Now, the initial time I watched it, and I read the book after that, uh, by Larry McMurtry. Uh, and, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, an amazing piece of work. I mean, Tommy Lee Jones is in it. I'd really recommend it. But he, and, you know, one of the things he did, this has kind of been blown up to be bigger than it really is. But, you know, Robert Duval grew up a Redskins fan.

Well, he, I think he was in the area. Yeah. Well, he's lived in Middleburg for years now. I know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, in the horse country there. Right.

But he had a chance. A friend of his told him, before Lonesome Dove, you should go meet Sammy Baugh, you know, down in Texas. So he did. He spent the afternoon with Sammy Ball, and he said part of the character of Gus, some of his mannerisms, Gus McCray, the character he plays at Lonesome Dove,

he borrowed from Sammy Ball, spending that afternoon with him, talking to him. You know, so, I mean, I just, but to me, the best movie performance he ever did was a movie called The Apostle. The Apostle. Yeah. Yeah.

I actually thought you were going to say because you love The Natural, right? I mean, he's got a, he plays the reporter. But it's not in my top five. Yeah, right. But I thought you were going to say that. No, the Apostle is just a breathtaking performance. Just, I mean, and I think he was the producer of it, of the movie as well as the lead actor. and again, I recommend it to anyone.

I would put the Apostle as number one. Network is number two. The great Santini, very powerful performance. As number three, the paper, he plays a great editor. The paper, he was great in. He was great in the paper. Yeah, he was. Yeah.

That's where one of his reporters who complains all the time, you know, Robert Duval, they're having a staff meeting, and he's smoking, and he's smoking. the smoke is pouring out of him like a chimney. And the reporter says, Jesus, Bernie, stop with the smoke. You know, last time I went to the doctor, he said I'd have nicotine in my bloodstream.

And then Robert DeValle says, well, keep your dick out of my ashtray. And then I put the godfathers, both one and two. One and two, both. At number five. Yeah, I put that together. So that would be my list. He was in apocalypse now.

like for briefly, he's one of the most memorable figures in Apocalypse now. You know, so he's, he made everything better. Well, I did not come prepared with a rankings, keeping with the theme of not being prepared for today's show. But obviously the two godfathers, true grit, the original one, not the one from, what, 15 years ago, something like that with Bridges, Jeff Bridges. you know what I thought he was really good in and I always enjoyed this movie and whenever it's on I'll watch it

I thought he was good in Days of Thunder with Cruz I don't think that movie won awards or anything but I always thought that his chemistry with Cruz in that movie was great the only Oscar I mean the only time he won Oscar for Best Actor was in Tender Mercy's where he played

a country Western singer movie that came out in the 80s. I thought he was really good in that, but it's far from my favorite, The Apostle. But Tender Mercies is a great performance, which he won his Oscar for, his best actor, Oscar for. By the way, I'm reading right now that he actually spent much of his childhood in Annapolis, so that's probably why he was a Redskins fan. His interviews, and he did a few of them over the years with Stern. I haven't listened to Stern in a long time now, but they were.

they were great interviews and talked about some of the people that he worked with, but it was when he was with wife, I think he's been married like five or six times. Like the last time he was on Stern, it was like, I think it was like marriage number five and

she was much younger. He was 95 when he passed away. Yeah, he was married to some woman, I think, from Argentina. Yeah. And he was a big tango guy. Tango, do you said Tango? tango the dance

Yeah, she's Argentinian. I just looked it up. And she's 54. So she was 41 years younger than he was. But they got married in 2005. So in 2005, she was basically 34 years old, and he was 75. Not bad for a 75-year-old. And by the way, she's a looker.

But it looks like it was marriage number four for him. And he loved Middleburg. I mean, I think he lived there for a long time. Yeah. He'll be missed. He had a great body of work. Great body of work. I got something else I want to talk about real quick.

Okay. I don't want you to cut it out of the podcast. Okay. Okay? I won't. All right? Yeah. Did you see the video I sent you yesterday?

Yes. I did see the video. Okay. What was the video of? Tell me about it. You were on some sort of river cruise. Yes. The video was full of all these alligators, right?

Yeah, they were a bunch of alligators. Big alligators. So tell me about it. I went on an airport ride. An airboat ride. Yes. One of those things that flat boats with the big band in the back. Yeah.

And it's going really fast. So were you in the Everglades? Well, not in the Everquets, but in sort of like, you know, swamp land out here on the St. John's River. Right. You know, we saw Armadillo, we saw all kinds of different birds, we saw wild cattle, we saw a wild boar, and we saw lots of alligators. Yeah, I'm looking at your video right now. Those are some big gators. 30 or 40, yeah.

They're outside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the ride is just so great. I mean, you know, the wind is just knocking you back in this. And it's flying down the river, and it's hitting the water, you know,

because it's a flat boat. Right. You know? So that's what I did yesterday. That was a two days. You're enjoying life these days, aren't you? You got things planned every day. When's the next launch that you're going to?

Actually, tomorrow at 5 o'clock is the next launch. I went to Kennedy Space Center yesterday. You mentioned that, yeah. How was that? That was fun. Yeah? That was fun. Was there proof about the moon landing anywhere in the Kennedy Space Center?

It was a little bit. A little bit. You know, they had a phony exhibit, you know, with phony astronauts talking about the phony landing. What? Tell me this. I always ask this question about visits like that. Is it a one-dayer? Is it a half-dayer? Or is it one of those where you can't do it all in a day?

Oh, you can do it in a day. Okay. And look, we actually, we didn't get to see it. There were some things we didn't get a chance to see because you had to wait online initially to take a bus. Mm-hmm. You know, there was a long line. That took up a lot of the initial time. After that, it was okay in terms of waiting.

But, you know, there were some things we just said, okay, we've been here. Let me see. We were there for about three and a half hours, four hours. And then we've seen enough. But we did leave some things behind that I would have liked to have seen. One of the cool things we saw, we were very close to Artemis, the rocket that they're going to send out next month. Right. to orbit around it back of the moon.

Okay. So it was pretty, I'd recommend the Kennedy Center if you're down here looking for something to do. You're just, you're at that point in life. It's all about what are we going to do today that's fun. I can't wait for those days because the only alligators I've seen in recent years have been on golf courses. All right. What else? Anything else?

that's it boss you're going to be back you're going to be back with me again this week aren't you are you planning on that since you missed yesterday by the way I missed yesterday too I you know you weren't going to be there so I decided

not to do a show what was the point you're right I can't say you're wrong we'll figure it out either tomorrow or Friday based on your availability well I'm available either day boss okay you know

I'm just looking just because I always pull up, you know, like some quick websites to make sure we didn't miss like a major story. And I did want to just mention something. And I had forgotten to sort of write it down. But another, a basketball coach, this is basketball conversation, but Doug Moe passed away. Doug Moe was the coach of the Denver Nuggets in the 80s. He was also the coach of the San Antonio Spurs in the 70s when they were in the Eastern conference and played the bullets in their last two very successful seasons, 47 and 48 years ago. That's how long it was.

47 years ago, 79, they were in the title. 48 years ago, they won the title. In both of those seasons, they beat Doug Moe's San Antonio Spurs on the way to the NBA finals. In fact, in 79, Doug Moe, he told the story for many years about how they got robbed in game seven in Washington. There was, the bullets were down by 10, and there was a power outage at the Capitol Center. There was about a 15-minute delay, and when they came back, the bullets were all fired up and refreshed, and they won the game.

But the reason that I mentioned it wasn't what wasn't for that. It was for this ABA documentary, Tommy, that is available right now on, where did I watch it? I watched the first two episodes over the weekend. On Prime. I think it's Amazon Prime. I was about to say Netflix, but I don't think it is Netflix. On Amazon Prime, and I, well, you don't have Amazon Prime. Yes, I do. Oh, you do? Okay. I have Amazon Prime. So I think I think I'll watch it. I don't know if I'll watch it for our next, if I don't think I'll watch it between today and tomorrow, but I'm going to watch it in the next couple of days.

So let me just tell you, the first two episodes are the real early days of the ABA. man, that league, Rick Barry was everything. I mean, the stories about Rick Barry and could he or couldn't he play for it and the contracts with the Warriors, you know, San Francisco Warriors at that point. And then the Oakland Oaks wanted him

and his father-in-law who coached him at the University of Miami. You probably knew this. Became the head coach of the Oakland Oaks in the ABA. Rick Barry is, man, he was a great player, but he's been a, he was a difficult guy during the course of his career. Yeah. We had him, we both, when we were doing the show, we had him on the show once or twice. I know we had him on at least once, and I think maybe I had him on at some point.

And he's an excellent guest, excellent guest. I'd love to figure out how to get him on. great shooter, great score, and shot his free throws underhanded, people. Yeah. Underhanded and was the best free throw shooter, one of the greatest ever. Yeah, him and Calvin Murphy. I think we're the two best free throw shooters of that era. I think Calvin Murphy has like 12 kids from like 11 different women.

I think he's the one that kind of holds the record for that. Might be Sean Kelly. Too many free throws there from Calvin Murphy. Yeah. expensive free throws. Yes. I think. Who knows?

All right, I'll talk to you either tomorrow or Friday. Regardless, we're going to have a show tomorrow and Friday, whether Tommy's there or not. All right, I'll talk to you later. See you. All right. See you.