The Kevin Sheehan Show - The 'Gold Pants Trick'

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

Kevin and Thom today with a variety of items on a menu of excellence. The boys talked Commanders' "gold pants" to start before getting to Thom's vacation in Vermont and Kevin's trip to L.A. and Vegas. The guys took shots at soccer, discussed the best pass rushers in the NFL, and a lot more including the sad news on the condition of NFL great, Bernie Kosar. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code Sheehan for a first deposit match up to $100! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy is here. I am here. The show, as always, is presented by Wind Donation.

Call them at 86690 Nation or head to Windonation.com. Mention my name for a free in-home estimate. Tommy, this from Dave to kick off the show. Kevin, why did Tom, aka Bob Lane? I love that people are referring to you as one of your alter egos. Bob Lane, for whatever reason, seems to be a favorite. It's better than Tommy Purify because it's so the opposite of you. Like, why did you get, why did you accept that name?

Why didn't you say, I'm no Bob Lane? I'm Tommy Purify. I was sitting in a room full of Bob Lane. We all had the same name. Exactly. But you're no Bob Lane. Kevin, I'm from Dave. to Tom, aka Bob Lane, feel he needed to sneak around while he was in your hood.

You need to do a better job of making him feel welcome. He's got feelings and you toy with them. I think you're getting way, way too deep, Dave. But yes, he brings up a point. You were in my neighborhood. You knew you were going to be in my neighborhood. and you never told me you never reached out to say, hey, I'm going to be real close to you.

What do you say? We're going to see King's Soul right around the corner from your house. Want to meet us? Maybe get a drink before if you don't want to go to the show. But you didn't. That's true. I don't think it's anything I'm doing, Dave. I like about Dave's post is that he blamed it on you.

Yes, he blamed it on me somehow. No, I know. It was totally my fault. It was totally my faux. But he put it on you, so that's great. Yeah, I mean, look, I think over the last couple of months, there's been a lot revealed about our relationship. Tommy doesn't want to socialize with me. There's just no other way to describe the leaving me out of that, you know, award-winning night when you got inducted into the boxing, whatever, Writers Hall of Fame. that was many years ago, but we found out about it recently. And, you know, you're in my hood. You know, you said I was in your hood the other night. So it's not like you came to that area of the city

and would have been surprised that I lived near where you were. Yeah, you just don't like socializing with me. That's not true. I always kind of figure that on your social calendar, I rank pretty low. So I'm figuring you've got something going on. I never have to be on Saturday night. You're probably entertaining the Hoy-Polloy or the elite of D.C. And, you know, you don't want me dropping in.

You don't want me going to servants entrance and knocking on your door. Okay, Doc. Nice try. Nice try. The interesting part of this is whenever we've been. forced to socialize together, it usually goes pretty well. Yes, yes. When we've gone on trips, Super Bowls and boxing and stuff, yes.

Yeah, I don't, maybe I'm missing something here. Anyway, so I got this from Bobby on X on Twitter. Kevin and Tommy, this is about the gold pants. I'm assuming you saw the story about the gold pants. Oh, God, yeah. Okay, so Bobby writes, and I did something on this on the show. yesterday. Kevin, I can't believe how many people fell for the old gold pants trick. It was as obvious as what's on your nose. That's a good one. I knew you would call it out as redirection. I hope they don't

make the mistake of thinking that we're easy to manipulate. The last guy thought that and how did that work out for him? Thanks as always for calling it out. Gold pants. Ha ha. Yeah. The old gold pants trick. Remember, hey, hey, champ, what's on your nose there? And he goes to, you know, put his finger on his nose and you just smack his hand right into his face. Yeah, that was pretty obvious. Anybody that fell for that one is a bit gullible. That was a massive diversion from the actual real branding and uniform issue, which is we want a total rebrand.

the majority of the fan base wants a total rebrand. But again, Tommy, like I said yesterday, there's not an easy answer to this. But what did you think of the, oh my God, you asked for it. You've been begging for the gold pants. By the way, I asked no less than six people in a group text last night. How many of you were yearning for the gold pants? Not one person said they were. Not that it's not a feeling of yesteryear to a certain degree, but it goes with

the current uniform. That's not what people want. But anyway. Well, let me ask you this. Do you think it's possible that, you know, there's been a lot of turnover in the building? And I don't think, do you think it's possible to promote this decision as some kind of big impact thing came from somebody, you know, down the ladder from ownership? and if it did, are we looking at again another problem where people in the building have no institutional knowledge of what they're doing and the real impact of it or the lack of impact that they think they're

making this a big deal? No, I don't think this would be an example of that. I think the gold pants are a deal. It's not like they completely whiffed on, you know, they didn't, you know, say London Flector. They didn't put London Flector up on the big screen at the stadium. I know that. The gold pants for a lot of people are kind of a good, warm, uh, in nostalgic feeling. Um, you know, Bruce Allen brought those back in 2010 because those were the pants that his father's teams wore. You know, they were not the uniforms of the championship winning teams. They, they shelved the gold pants

in 1979. That was the first regular season where they did a uniform makeover and they no longer wore the gold pants. They wore white pants when they had burgundy tops and they wore burgundy pants when they had white tops. And that became the championship uniform. Interestingly, it was Gibbs in 1981 who became the first coach to wear white at home. because Allen and Pardee, and before that Lombardi and anybody else, they wore dark jerseys at home. But Gibbs in 81 decided he wanted to wear white at home, and that became the home uniform, white tops, burgundy bottoms. And they would wear the burgundy tops, white bottoms when it was called for on the road. Sometimes they were their white uniforms on the road.

But the gold pants were a George Allen relic, and then they actually had legitimate gold pants prior to that. You know, they didn't have the mustard yellow look. And Bruce remembered the Redskins that way when he came back in 2010, and I actually loved it when he brought him back in 2010, because

that was, for me, my childhood of rooting for the team. But they're not the championship uniforms, and this idea that they could just talk it into existence that this is what people have been yearning for. Oh, my

God, you asked for it, you got it. I don't know anybody. I don't know one person that's been asking for the gold pants with the current uniforms. But I think... Again, my point is to sell it like that, is that a lack of knowledge in the building? No. They know what they were doing and hoping to get over on people. No, I think, I think as we've discussed before, they have to market this team.

You know, they're not, as I've described in the past, they're not in an order-taking business. Oh, my God, somebody just dropped season tickets. What do we do? Well, we just go to the next person on the list. They'll be thrilled for us to take their order. That's not the business they're in. This is one of the few teams in the league that has to market its product because of what it had become under Snyder.

And I think they're just trying to do that. and I don't blame them for it. And again, I'm in benefit of the doubt mode. And the gold pants, I guarantee you, are a Mitch Rails-Josh Harris remembered thing, too. I mean, that's the first teams that they rooted for. You know, probably had the true gold pants, you know, from the 50s and 60s in the case of Mitch Rails, I'm guessing. But, you know, the gold pants, the mustard yellow gold of the 70s with George Allen when they first started to win, those are great uniforms. I have incredible nostalgic feelings when I see, you know, the video that

they put out of some of the teams in the 70s wearing them. And when they came back, I mean, that's the, that's the jersey that RG3 wore in one of the most memorable seasons, and actually the most memorable season of the Snyder tenure. It's the, it's the uniform that Kirk Cousins wore, one of my all-time favorite players for the franchise. So, yeah, I mean, I don't have a problem with them trying to do something like that. I just think that the idea that they could say, see, we're doing something here, we're addressing this desire to go back to the way it used to feel, the way it used to look. The gold pants are nuts, are not, don't satisfy that itch.

Don't satisfy, it's more than an itch. It's a need, you know, for them. Was there a media overreaction to it? I think a lot of people in our media all do respect because they all do a great job. Most of them do a really good job. I'm talking about the sports media. Many of those people don't have a really good sense of the team's history or really the teams. I would say the over 45 part of the fan base.

You know, the fan base that really has been... Which is really the core of the fan base. As of now. As of now, yes. Look, one of the things I have said before is if they decide, look, all due respect to the Sheans and the people that remember the championship seasons and remember what it used to feel like, because we do, to be a Redskins fan, you know, we're going to go after the young undecideds.

We're going after the independent vote here. We're going after the people that are under 30 that haven't made up their mind on which team is their favorite team, and that's who we're going to market to. Because you know what? They have a greater lifetime value to us than Sheehan and his friends do, because they're going to be around much longer. I would totally understand that as a strategy. The only issue with that is, I would imagine, the demographic with the most disposable

income and the ability to spend now on the team. is an older demographic. It's not younger. Yes. Yeah. And again, I've pointed out, I've read enough about this that I believe this, that, you know,

if you're going for that 30 and under demographic, that's a shaky investment. Because they don't like to commit to pretty much anything. Yeah, and whatever they decide to commit on, they want results right away, instantaneous results. They're not patient. They're not big into waiting, which I'm not either.

But I don't know. It's they have so many challenges. I mean, this was not the easiest team to acquire. In so many ways it was attractive because of how down it was. But they didn't get the down price. No, they didn't. They didn't pay the depressed price for the team. They paid, they overpaid for the team.

And there are some inherent challenges that they knew they were going to, you know, the stadium and the name were the two big issues that weren't, you know, on the field issues that were really, as I said yesterday on the show, they're tricky situations. They're tricky issues. The name issues more Tommy emotional, I think, for people. They've been in Landover for 30, you know, 30. plus years now. 30 years?

What did I say? 27 years or whatever it's been. 97. That emotion of not being an RFK wore off a long time ago. The name is a much more

emotional attached item for them. And it's not, and it has the most difficult solution because there's not an obvious one, because the only solution that really works isn't available to them, you know, and that is bringing back the old name and the old everything.

And that would be the win for the fan base, for their fan base. It would not go over, you know, well throughout the rest of the country. But, you know, if they were doing what was best for their fan base, they would do that. But they can't. It's not available to them. Mitch Rails has said that ship is sailed or that horse has left the barn, whichever expression he used. And that makes whatever they come up with, you know, something that won't,

it won't re-energize the entire lost part of the fan base. You got to figure out which direction re-energizes the most people. And I think that's really hard. I've acknowledged that. And when you do do that, you have to come up with a first, class well-thought-out promotional effort to introduce that name. The opposite of opening a 7-Eleven like they did with the commanders. Yeah, that wasn't even a 7-Eleven.

I mean, you would have been at least giving out free coffee on the ribbon-cutting day. I mean, we didn't get anything. So you have to, like, show, you have to convince people that you think this is important by your presentation. Free slurpees would have been a better thing for the opening of a 7-Eleven. Were you a slurpy guy? No. No, I've never a slurpy guy.

I'm not a mushy guy, a slushy guy, none of that stuff. I was Coke, through and through. I drank Coke since I could walk, and I stopped drinking Coke about six years ago. I stopped drinking all soda, and I've stuck to it, which is, considering my nature, it's pretty amazing. I wasn't a big slurpy guy either. Like if you gave me the option of ice cream or a slurpy, like if it was Baskin-Robbins or 7-Eleven, I'm going Baskin-Robbins every day of the week, ice cream.

So I wasn't much of a slurpy guy or a slushy guy either. But yeah, for you on sodas, I did this. I kind of did the same thing. Now, I will occasionally have a, Coke, but it's like once a month, and it's usually with, I'm going to tell you exactly when I add 100% I'm like, I need a Coke when we order Chinese food. Okay. That's the one month meal that I have to have a Coke with.

I fear, because I miss it still so much, I fear I would fall back. So I don't even broach one soda. I don't drink sodas really either. I mean, I drink a lot of other things, but I don't drink sodas. Speaking of drinking a lot of other things, I know you've got a trip to tell me about, and I've got to tell you about my trip, and we've got sports to talk about as well. We'll get to all of that and more right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Football season will be here before we know it, guys, but that doesn't mean we're not watching other sports,

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Tell everybody where you are. Well, I'm in Burlington, Vermont. Burlington Coat Factory. This is the Kevin Sheehan show. We're worldwide, baby. We're mobile. We do well in Vermont. Yes.

Yes, we do. Let me tell you something. the trip was generated by, I love trains. I love riding trains. And I had been read about for years the train ride from New York City to Burlington on something called the Ethan Allen Express. Everything up here is named after Ethan Allen. He was the guy who founded Vermont. He's the guy, I guess, who made all that furniture.

I don't know. but so I wanted to take this train ride for a long time and it's about almost an eight-hour train ride from New York to Burlington eight? About eight hours, a little bit less. So we took the train from BWI Rail Station, the Northeast Regional, up to New York, the Penn Station. But you pick up the Ethan Allen Express across the street at the

Moynihan train hall, which is new to me. Have you ever been there? Have I been to the new train station in Manhattan? Yeah, it's right next to Penn Station. Right across the tree, it's called the Moynihan Train Hall, named after Senator Patrick Moynihan. Yeah. It's beautiful. I don't think you remember. I don't think I've answered. Yeah. I was in Penn Station a couple of months ago. Yeah. Oh, that's pretty seedy still. Yeah. station. But Moynihan Train Hall is gorgeous. It's beautiful. I'm walking, you know, we're walking to go get something neat. And this guy stopped me. He says, hey, buddy, I turn around. And it's Bob McDonald, the National Anthem singer. Yeah. From D.C. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So I run into him at Moynihan

Train Hall. That was very cool. Did he say, hey, buddy? Or did he say Tom? Tom like, I forget what he said. I don't think he said Tom. You know. Hey, buddy, he didn't remember your name? Actually, wait, I'm leaving out the best part. What? He said he had his ear buds in. He was listening to the podcast when I walked by. Oh, he was not.

That's what he said. That's funny. Yeah. Bob, we love you. You do a great job. A moment. Yeah. Yes.

Yes, one of the DC icons. Yep. Bob McDonald. So, you know, we got on the Ethan Allen Express. And this was my deal. Okay, my wife came with me. And because I'd like trains. And I had read that this train was a very scenic train ride.

And, you know, it was. I mean, for half of the trip, you're right next to the Hudson River. I mean, like, within a stone throw of the river, the whole time, like, for half the trip for four hours. It's right there. So that was pretty cool. And the rest of it goes through some very scenic. farm plan. Hold on for a second. I want, so the Hudson goes up

through the state of New York. Right? Yeah. Where does it, where is the, I forget what the term is. What's the term for the origination point for like the river where the river starts? Whatever that is. Where does it start? Where does the Hudson start? Like Albany?

You know, it may, it may start at Lake Champlain. Well, that's Vermont, isn't it? That's where I am in Burlington, Vermont. That Lake Champlain is the big. I can look at it right now out my hotel window. Uh-huh. And, and, uh, I'm pulling up a map. The guy, we took a boat ride on Lake Champlain, and it was very cool.

And the guy said it's like 120 miles long, the lake. And it starts up at the St. Lawrence Seaway up in Canada, and it empties into the Hudson River. So I'm thinking maybe the Hudson River starts with Lake Champlain. I don't know if it does or not. I'm looking at a map. Man, I'll tell you what, your train ride, I guarantee I now see why it was beautiful, not to mention you're going through towns that are, you know, a lot of college towns along the way, right? I mean, you're in a, you know, Burlington's where UVM is, right? I've got a nephew at UVM. Yes, it is. But Poughkeepsie,

like all the way up, it's just one after another. Yes. Yes, Saratoga, great horse racing town. Yeah, of course. You know? Yeah. We have a lot of listeners from Saratoga. But wasn't a big hit with my wife.

She had like sitting in a train for the whole, actually it was 11 hours if you count post-strip. Oh, my God, 11 hours on a train. I'm with her. And I, and I like train rides, but that's a long train ride, Tommy. Well, I liked it. We were sitting right next to the cafe car, so it's not like we didn't, we didn't have beer and wine to get it through the trip. But, no, it was not a big hit with her,

but I enjoyed it. And that was the main motivation for the trip. Burlington, I had read that it was kind of a cool town, you know, kind of cool place to visit. And that was part of the trip as well. Well, they oversell Burlington because I wouldn't say it's particularly cool. Actually, it's kind of sketchy. In what way? Well, they have like a downtown market market. Well, let me get to it. They have a downtown marketplace called the Church Street Marketplace.

And I've never been accosted by more vagrants in one day than I was at the Church Street Marketplace. to the point where the last one approached me speaking Spanish, and I just, I just like waved them away. I said, you know, wave them away, get out of here. It was remarkable. There are a lot of people, you know, Hoyd Axton wrote this song called The Pusher, and he had this line called People Walking Around with Tombstones in their eyes. There's a lot of people in Burlington walking around with tombstones in the around.

That's a really good line. I don't know Hoyd Axton's work. I think I know who he is, but I don't know. That's a great line. And it doesn't surprise me that a lot of those people are in that state or in Burlington. I think the guy's just lucky you didn't turn around and swing at him like you did that other do. Who did you hit recently? It was in Barcelona, right?

No, no, it was in Ireland. I pushed a guy up a fence who tried to pick my pocket. Oh, wait, where was that again? In Ireland. In Ireland, right, right, in Ireland. Yeah. Yeah. But so, there's not much else to do here.

Now, the bow ride was very cool on Lake Champlain. We went on the spirit of Ethan Allen. Like I said, Ethan Allen is all over the place here. And one of the things they talked about is that the lake freezes in the wintertime, and it's deep. It's a deep lake. I don't think the ice goes down as deep as it is. But this lake freezes, and there's people who ice fish on it with shacks and stuff like that.

So it gets really cold here. So I can't fathom how these vagrants are still here in the wintertime. I mean, it's not like it snows, and then it melts away, I don't think. I think it's pretty much cold the whole time. So I don't know if they go south for the winter or what, but there were a lot of vagrants. walking around. I mean, look, no disrespect intended to you, but there's a lot of things to do in Burlington and in the state of Vermont. They're just not things that you like to do. It's incredibly outdoorsy. I mean, if you're into hiking and you're into, you know, during the winter,

into skiing. I can do that in Maryland. Yeah, but you're not in the scenic beauty isn't the same. Vermont's a It's right outside I remember Frederick I know Right on the doorstep of Western Maryland

True It's pretty scenic Yeah You know So it's oversold But you're not Anyone who's planning You're not about to go on a big bike trip

No No No and they do have like a nice A nice 14 mile Trail Right around the lake That would be good for For biking

So And I'm leaving out The headline though I'm burying the lead. Well, let's get to it. You know what else they have in Burlington? Breweries. Naked men walking around on the streets.

What? Yes. We got off the boat ride and we're walking up to town and we're walking through this like park along the coastline. And in front of us heading towards us is a guy all natural walking towards us all hanging. and out, the whole thing. Just strutting down the street. But was that a one-off? Are you saying that this is happening a lot?

If you Google it, it's been a thing here in Burlington. People, men walking naked in the street. As I understand it, it's legal to do in Vermont. You can't disrobe publicly. So you have to leave your house naked

in order for it to be legal. That sounds like a loophole. This guy was doing it within a public park, so he could have been arrested for that, but you can't do it in parks. But it's a thing here. Guys walking around naked, this was not a one-off thing. Okay. Did you want to add anything to the gentleman who was naked walking near you?

Did you want to describe him in detail? He had nothing. He had nothing to be. ashamed of. Okay. Okay. But yeah, so you can't disrobe in public, but you can, as long as you're not disrobing and you're already disrobed, it's legal. That sounds, that sounds like what you just said to begin the conversation, sketchy. Yes. Do you know, I mean, it's a sketchy town. Yeah. You know, I've been to Vermont, but I've not spent, I've not spent much time in Vermont. I mean, when I've been, I've not, I've never been to the ski resorts of Vermont, like Killington and

some of those places. I've been to Saratoga, New York on the way to Vermont. You know, I've never been to Lake Placid. That's in New York, too. What am I talking about? Lake Placid's New York. I had one supermarket account in Manchester, New Hampshire, and they had stores in Vermont, and that's pretty much the only time I've been to Vermont. And I spent time we did this work retreat in the, is it the Green Mountains or the White Mountains? The Green Mountains of Vermont.

Okay. Because I think there's White Mountains, too. Maybe those are in New Hampshire. That's New Hampshire. They are, okay. But I haven't spent a lot of time in that state. I mean, I had a friend or two that went to University of Vermont. As I mentioned, my nephew is there right now.

And everybody that's ever gone to that school loves it. But I don't have a lot for you on Vermont. I mean, I'm looking at your train ride. That looks like a fun train ride if it was like a two to three hour train ride. Yeah, I know, but it's not. You know, anything worth having, you've got to put in a little work. So at one point did Liz say when does this end? When do we get there?

This may be, yeah, this may be the end of the idea that we take a train across the country idea that I'd like to have. I think that's over. Yeah, I'd rather, if I were going to do the cross-country trip again, which I've done, I would want to drive it. I wouldn't want to train it. I would want to drive it again, you know, in a big, Winnebago with, I've thought about that before, about how much fun that would be, but then I think, you know, at what point would I do what I'm sure Liz was doing with you, which is, you know,

Dad, when are we going to, when are we going to be there? By the way, on train stations, don't you think Union Station is a pretty train station? In D.C.? Yeah. Oh, God, yeah, but they usually are. Look, at Philadelphia 30th Street Station. Yeah. It's beautiful.

Yeah, a lot of places that they are gorgeous old buildings. Yeah, Union Station is beautiful, and it's undergone about half a dozen different makeovers over the years, but it's still a beautiful building. I like the train. I wish we could travel by train everywhere. I don't think. In thinking about train rides, I don't mind train rides. I like train rides.

They're relaxing, especially if you get a good seat and you're in the quiet car. And you can just, like, it's a soothing noise. But Tommy, I don't think I have ever been on a train anywhere but Philly or New York or somewhere in Jersey. I don't think I've ever taken a train anywhere else. I've never taken a train to Florida. Never taken a train south anywhere. Twice. I've taken the train down to Miami.

I took a train of Chicago once and back. I think that's the only place. And I took a train at Detroit. You know, because remember after 9-11, trains became popular? The Wizards, well, the Wizards were going to play an exhibition game in Detroit, Michael Jordan's first game back. And I was going out to cover it, but I wasn't going to fly out.

You know, I was scared to death. So I took a train out at the train. Detroit. Wow. Was that as, that probably was not as pretty a train ride as the one that you just took? No. No. No, it wasn't. Okay. There was no Ethan Allen on the way to Detroit anywhere. So I went out to Los Angeles and spent Wednesday night, Thursday, Friday, most half of Saturday in L.A. My son, my oldest son lives in Los Angeles, and he moved into a new house. He's got two roommates. Great house in the Hollywood Hills.

Incredible view of downtown L.A. And Tommy, on the 4th of July, we hung out at his house and he had a bunch of his friends over. It was actually a great time. But an incredible view of the entire city. I've never in my life seen more fireworks in more lives. in more locations for hours upon hours like that night. I started to Google it to see if it was unusual, because he didn't really know.

This is the first year they've been in this house with the kind of view that they have. It was such a show with just fireworks going off everywhere for literally hours, like before the sun went down for hours upon hours, not, you know, an eight-hour tree. train ride, but at least two to three hours, that I Googled to see if anybody else found this to be unusual, because nobody seemed to be as interested in the fireworks going off from all over the city like I was. Because keep in mind, in our city on July 4th, it's one of the

country's main celebrations of Independence Day, and the fireworks go off at 915 or 920. Not that other people don't have fireworks at the same time, but that's the primary. Mary's show. So I googled if anybody found this to be interesting. And Billy Baldwin, like one of the Baldwin brothers, tweet it out. Billy Baldwin of a backdraft frame. Exactly. That was a good fire movie. Speaking of fireworks, right? Is that the movie you're talking about? The Ron Howard movie? Yeah. The Billy Baldwin, I found, I don't follow him on Twitter, but he tweeted out, Los Angeles sounds like a war zone or a massive thunderstorm with all the fireworks right now.

And he included a video in his tweet where he just scans the entire city from wherever he was watching from above, wherever he was perched, which was similar to the view that I had. And it's just amazing. I've never seen anything like it. And I felt that way when I was watching it in Perch. it was probably exactly the way our founding fathers would have wanted the 4th of July to be celebrated. Okay, I'm looking at the video he posted right now, and you're right. You see it.

You can't count them all. It's unbelievable. I'm going to tweet this video out. Maybe every city, if you were to take the over-city plane view or helicopter view, you would see this on the 4th of July, but I had never seen anything like it. You know, in the Poconos, there's a place high up on one of the mountains where you can go, where you could probably see about eight different places that have fireworks. Yeah.

Not like this. You can't even count them all. Yeah, I've never seen anything like it. I really haven't. I'll retweet that Billy Baldwin tweet with the video a little bit later on after the podcast has been out for a while. You know, Tommy, I like L.A. I didn't used to love L.A. when I used to have to go there for work a lot in the 90s, primarily early 2000s. But I like L.A. I used to love Northern California much more than Los Angeles. It was beautiful weather. You know, the closer you get to the water, the further west in the city you are towards the Pacific, the weather is just unmatched in Southern California. You know, that goes for San Diego as well. But, I mean, it was 64 degrees. with no humidity. You know, we were in Santa Monica one day, and it was just gorgeous.

You know, the further east you go away from the water, the temperature difference can be 20 degrees. It can be super hot. But I like L.A. And then we went to Vegas after that. Oh, baby. Yeah, my son, nephew, and I jumped on a plane Saturday. We did this last year, too, and we did the, you know, the 48th. hour Vegas experience, which I'm going to tell you right now, Tommy, I'm getting to the point

now where that is the max for me. It's just, it's exhausting. And I, you're at the point now where you need recovery time, right? Yeah, I like, it's not, we had a great time and it's great being, he, my, my son and my nephew love poker. I'm not a poker player. I've never been a poker player. I've never been a poker player. I mean, I know how to play poker. You know, I know what hand beats what hand, but I didn't get caught up in the poker craze. I just didn't. I think a lot of... You're not either? No. I know how to play, but it doesn't hold any interest for me. They love it. And they'll sit in that poker room, which they did at the encore, the win encore. and I'm like, look, I'd love to sit here and hang out with you,

but I'm more interested in playing Blackjack or craps. Those are the two games that I love in a casino. And, you know, it's an investment. I mean, they sat there on the first day. I think they were at, they got back at like, it was like 10 hours. They were playing poker. Wow. And my son, you know, and my nephew just, you got to sit.

You got to do it. And I'm like, okay, finally I did it on the Sunday afternoon. First of all, and I mentioned this on the podcast yesterday, Tommy. We were there on Sunday, Saturday and Sunday. I actually ended up coming back on Monday morning, so it was a little more than 48 hours. Actually, the overall experience. But I digress. I was there for the hottest day ever recorded in Las Vegas.

Sunday, it reached 120 degrees in Los Angeles. Las Vegas. You go outside? I did because I wanted to experience it. I had read like on the flight over, I'd seen that there was an expectation of potentially record-breaking heat in Las Vegas. And I looked at, you know, the extended forecast, you know, a week ago, and I saw 114, 116, 118. It hit 120. 120 degrees in Vegas is much more comfortable than what we've experienced here the last two days. You're not home. Yesterday was unbelievable heat and humidity. Today, the same thing.

DC's heat, DC's hottest and most humid days are much worse. I'm telling you, now that I've got experience with 120 degree dry heat, I would take that any day of the week over what we get here. It's terrible here right now. Awful. But it was, you know, it was a good Vegas trip. It was a profitable trip on the tables, but it was not profitable overall, given how much money we spent on everything else. Now, I am in a position. I'm not nowhere near what Doc would describe. I have a couple of friends that would be, considered to be almost whale-like gamblers in Vegas. I'm not anywhere, I'm nothing.

I mean, I'm a small, small, occasional, you know, trip to Vegas better. But it's been enough over the many years to get the hotel rooms comped. So I get that comp, and I get a few other things comped, you know, a meal here or there. But, I mean, we went to the SW Steakhouse on Saturday night, which really is one of the great steakhouses in America at the win. And I mean, there were four of us in total. It was basically when we didn't even drink wine. Everybody was drinking beer and or booze, not wine.

Thank God, because if we had ordered some of the wines on the wine list, the tab would have been outrageous. But just take a guess as to what the tab was. 1,200 bucks? Keep going. $1,900. Keep going. $25. 500 bucks. Bingo. And we didn't even order bottles of wine. I mean, that thing would have been,

that thing would have been double that more likely than not had we been drinking wine. It's a great steakhouse. Anyway, real quickly on poker. So I decided to do it on Sunday with my son and my nephew. I will say that there is a camaraderie that you can get it, that you clearly get at a dice table when the craps table is hot. I mean, that's a lot of fun, right? And you can get that at a blackjack table, too, if you're sitting there and everybody's having a good time and people are getting along. But there's something about a poker table and the different personalities and the sizing up

of the table, like there are guys there. I sat next to a guy. So we end up getting a table together. You got to wait, by the way, for poker. You put your name in, and it can be like, they waited on Saturday like two hours before they got seats at a table. I'm like, why would you want to do that? But I ended up sitting at this table. We were at different spots on the table.

My son wasn't next to me or my nephew wasn't next to me. On one side of me was a guy with headphones on watching Game of Thrones. on his phone, to which I said, at one point I said, is that, that's the last season, right? And he goes, yeah. And I said, because I had to tap him on the shoulder so he'd lift up his headphones to, to actually communicate with me. And I said, that looks like the next last episode. He goes, yeah, he goes, this thing's incredible. I'm like, yeah, it is incredible. But I'm surprised that you decided to watch it as you're sitting at a poker table playing poker. Tommy, he was, And it didn't take me long to figure it out.

I'm not a poker player. He was the best player at the table. It wasn't even close. Like he was the guy that just decided to sit down with a bunch of marks. And I was one of them that night. Because three, I was there for four hours. I sat for four hours at this poker table. Four hours.

By the end of it, when all of my stack was gone, his was the biggest at the table by far. So he was on one side of me. On the other side was this 20-something from Northern California who had earbuds in and sunglasses on. And he wasn't much into the communication business either. But everybody else at the table, there was a guy from Belarus. I mean, he was great. Like, I understand if you get at the right table with the right mix of people that it can be fun. The big difference is you're playing against each other.

You're not on the same team, I guess, playing against the dealer. You know, you're not rooting for each other necessarily. But I took a couple of big pots, you know, but I ended up losing all my chips, which wasn't a lot. Like the, I think I ended up buying in for, you know, I don't know, it was $3 or $400 or whatever. And I lost all of that. But I didn't have to re-up at least.

It got me through four hours. And at one point, I was up three or $400. bucks and then I ended up losing it all. It is fun. I could see, I can see how people can become addicted to poker, no doubt. And I tried to give my son and my nephew all of the, you know, obligatory as a, as an experienced gambling vet, all of the warnings. Like, you know, hey, everything's fine in moderation, boys. But, you know, be careful. Because Vegas. it's not for everybody. We had a good time, though.

I would actually play poker again. The next time I'm in a casino, if I'm with people that play poker, I will sit down and do it. It doesn't really interest me that much. I mean, if I do any casino game, it's usually blackjack. Like I say, when I go to Vegas,

I usually head to the sports book and play to horses. The trip was fun. I was glad to get back. We've got a couple of other trips planned this week because I'm off of radio. We're going to do a day and an overnight later this week, but we will have podcasts every day this week. So don't you worry. Let's talk some sports.

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Because here I am in Burlington, Vermont. And the plan was at one point we'd walk over to the Church Street marketplace where they have some nice stores. And my wife would go shopping, and I would sit outside on the many benches they have there. and smoke a cigar. So I got there, and they're signed everywhere. No smoking on the Church Street Marketplace. Oh, boy. Which I find laughable, because, like I said,

I must have been accosted by at least a half a dozen different vagrants, you know, walking around talking to themselves all over to Church Street Marketplace. Not to mention disrobed men walking around downtown. Yes. Yes. you know so i mean that that's and there was a cigar store there but there was no place inside to smoke so that's these are times where shelley's are very valuable when i miss them the most you know when when you think civilization exists around the world around this country but it really doesn't

right now basically the headquarters for civilization is shelley's back room and you can find out more and find out how civilized people live by going to shelley's backroom dot com Was that the breaking news for this particular segment? Because you said, I've got some breaking news for you. Oh, okay. This podcast reports news as it happens sometimes, literally in the podcast. And this will be news to my wife who's sitting a few feet from me here in the hotel room. I got a text from Amtrak.

Train 290, my train home, has been canceled. Yeah, all right. Was this good news for Liz? Because now you can fly like normal people. I guess so. You know, you can review your options and re-book travel here. It's been canceled. How did they just like wipe out a whole train ride?

I don't know. Well, how does it get just canceled? Because the train obviously didn't arrive or the train's got mechanical. Can't they replace it with another train? Can't they just move that to the... I don't know. You know, there were some delays. Mm-hmm. That day, we didn't get delayed, really.

But there were some delays the day we came up because of the heat. Apparently affects the tracks or the equipment somehow. So I don't know why it's being canceled. But, yeah, I guess maybe they heard about, I was dissent Burlington. They said, what's going to punish you? We're going to make you stay there longer. Yeah. one of the great Tommy lines about the safety that was suspended.

If they were really going to punish you, they would have made you stay when they cut him. Who was it again? Sweringer. Yeah, DJ Sweringer. Yeah, DJ Sweringer. They cut him and Tommy said if they were really going to punish him, they would have made him stay. All right. So what are you going to do?

What are you going to do? Well, I don't know. I'm going to see if it's been really. cancel, canceled, and I guess we'll fly home, you know? Like you said, like normal people do. So, yeah, so a couple of things. First of all, I don't think most of you that are listening. I know some of you are, but I don't think the majority of you are watching any of the soccer,

the Euro 24 or the Copa America. But yesterday, as I was doing the podcast here, in studio, Spain and France were playing in the Euro. And it really, I've said this before, there's something, I don't want to go crazy here, because I'm going to get to, you know, killing the game here in a moment. But there is, the actual pageantry of it is interesting to me. It's what the rest of the world is absolutely in love with.

I mean, it's part of the rest of the world. sports rooting DNA in a way that Americans just can't understand because the games that are part of our sports rooting DNA are so much better. Like so much better. Football, basketball, you know, for starters. But the incredible passion for it is amazing. And the Euro is, you know, the second biggest event next to World Cup. And I think there are some European nations that will tell you it's more important to them than the World Cup. And this game between Spain and France, I mean, the constant roar from the crowd, it's just, you know, it's like being in Death Valley for Bama LSU. It's that kind of crowd reaction. And these games are in Germany, you know,

but the countries they travel. And I've been in, and I've been in Europe before during one of these Euro things where like, you know, the fans of a certain country after their team wins, I mean, it's unbelievable the reaction to it. I think sports fans around the world are more passionate for soccer in various places of the world than we are for anything here. I think that's true. Do you agree with me on that or not? I think that is true.

Yeah, I think so. I experienced that. About 10 years ago, I went to Brazil for an international sports journalism conference, and all the Brazilian reporters were amazed that I didn't root for the teams that I covered. You know? Right. You know, that, that quiz in Brazil, they do. The reporters who cover, you know, the Brazilian national team and the World Cup soccer,

they root for their country to win, you know? So, yeah, the passion is different around the world than it is here. I think our most passionate sports fans are college sports fans, even more than pro sports team fans. Look, I mean, Yankee fans and cowboy fans. But I don't know, there's the fervor in which SEC fans root for their college football teams, I think that might be that in, you know, Ohio State, Michigan. Like the big college football programs and probably the big. college basketball programs, you know, a Kansas or a Kentucky. I think those fan bases are the closest you get to soccer fan bases.

But that part of it is interesting to me. But when I finished recording the podcast yesterday, I sat and watched the rest of this game. I still, I don't get it. It's just not that good. The pageantry aside, and I do recognize the difference between, like, messy and some of the other players. I can appreciate the athletic skill with some of these guys, but there's so much in action, it just doesn't do it for me.

I've tried. I think one of the real frustrating things, there's no doubt that for me, the fake injury stuff and the rolling around stuff on the ground for minutes upon minutes, I could never be a truly devoted fan of a sport where, you know, five times a game, somebody's rolling around on the ground after barely being touched as if you were shot. It's so, it's so off-putting to watch. Well, you know what people will tell you. People will tell you that it's the nuances of the game that we don't understand.

Yes. And I've come to hate that word because people use it to explain why their product or their opinion or whatever stinks usually because you don't understand the nuances of it. So that's our problem. We don't understand the nuances of a nil-nil-nill game. Honestly, I'm with you on that. The people that constantly push that on me, they become incredibly boring to me because I'm, I'm, It's not that I consider myself to be a sophisticated sports fan, but you and I and those that are listening, we watch a lot of sports. Okay.

And I've been, I mean, for me, I've been open-minded over the last several years to give soccer more of a shot because I know a lot of people that have become much more interested in it. My younger brother, Tommy, he's gone to like 10 Premier Cup finals. He loves it. He loves betting on it. He loves the sport. And mostly because of him, I've given it more of a chance in recent years. And there have been some World Cup games and some Euro Cup games that I've watched because, again, I'm caught up in the excitement of it. But the game itself, the rolling around with the fake injury thing, it's just, it's too much for me to get past.

It's so performative, it's so unnecessary, and quite frankly, it's so soft. Like our games, you know, are tougher and more physically demanding sports that we watch. I can't watch a guy roll around riving in pain and then see the replay where, you know, a guy barely nicked his toe, you know, trying to mark him or cover him or whatever. And I know part of it is to try to draw yellow cards. You know, it's just what LeBron. You know, LeBron does a lot of that. You know, obviously, Luca did too much of it. But then the other part of the game, before I get to the actual game itself,

but the timing of the game is just for a U.S. sports fan to see just minutes rolling off the clock, to see it so arbitrary in terms of it's very, there's no precision. to the game's timing. No game actually is 90 minutes in length, 45, 45. Because when you get to the stoppage time, it's just an estimate. It's just a dart being thrown at a board by a referee who says, yeah, it seems like the guys that were rolling around on the ground hurt for a while and the celebration after the one goal that we got in the entire game. It seems like it was an extra three minutes of time. Put plus three there. And then by the way, stoppage time, you get guys rolling around on the ground, you know, eating up time. The game

stops. And yet, it doesn't seem to be added to stoppage time. And then when the stoppage time gets to the three minutes or the four minutes, it's almost like, you know, they've got the ball. We're going to give them one last chance. I mean, we live in a world in the U.S. in which tenths of seconds are, you know, we go back and we do too much of the replay on the tenths of a second. But it's like, how could you be, why is, I guess, you know what, Tommy, it's the nuance of the game, I guess. I'm missing that part of it. Like, to me, if my teams above our heads. If my team's down a goal and they just kind of blow the whistle to end the game, and I'm like, wait a minute, there should, the stoppage time should have been seven minutes.

That guy was on the ground. They brought the stretch. out, it took 10 minutes to get him off the field with his, you know, hurt finger. And we're going to, and we're going to just add three minutes. And my team's down a goal? God, that would drive me crazy. And then the game itself, I mean, how many times do you see? It's like, okay, something's building here. Maybe we're going to get a ball kicked towards the net, towards the goal.

Maybe. And then all of a sudden they turn around and they kick it backwards all the way back to the goalie. I understand. Look, I'm not so dumb when it comes to this sport that I don't understand that there is some strategy and there are certain alignments and there are plays. I get that and I can see some of that and the way it develops. But it's just too much inaction. And I can hear the soccer fans saying, oh, do you know how much time? you actually watch of a football game that there's actually action. It's like seven minutes or whatever. Okay, but at least every time the whistle blows,

every time the ball snapped, there's action. How many of the corner kicks, you know, the set piece, the nuance of the set piece? God, that drives me crazy, too. Oh, they're one of the best in the world at the set piece. And then you see an actual playwork, and the guy kicks it 15 feet over the net. Like, I don't know how they do this every single one of these games.

Again, I can recognize some of the brilliant athletic skill. There's no doubt. And you have to be in supreme condition. Although that might be a little overrated too, because you're walking around half the game as the ball's getting kicked backwards and, you know, sideways, etc. No, you've got to be in great shape. You've got to be highly skilled. It's just, it's really, every time I sit down, I'm like, okay, this is Spain and France in a Euro semi-final.

It's two to one. The crowd is insane. And then you're just actually watching the game, and it's like, when are we going to get something that resembles an opportunity for a score? You might have to wait for that. And, you know, it's not just the low scoring because hockey is low scoring, but it can quickly, it can change in a matter of a second, a hockey game. Oh, not soccer. Hockey is the opposite of soccer.

But people say, I mean, it's a low-scoring game as well. Yeah, but you have shot, but you actually try to score. Yes. Constantly. Every few seconds, there's an opportunity for a score. Sometimes you have to wait 10, 15, 20 minutes for anything that resembles an opportunity for a score. I've told you, you take our Super Bowl champions, you send them the soccer camp for three weeks. They'll win the World Cup.

That's my favorite. I think you're 100% right. And I don't know if it's the Super Bowl champions. I think are NBA champions because they're, I think, they're much better over. overall athletes. I think if you took the Boston Celtics and you sent them to Amsterdam for a month before the euro started, I think they could win the euro. We're kidding for those of you people out there that are taking it seriously.

I don't really think that. But God, I mean, yeah, take some really good athletes, coach them up a little bit. Send them to soccer camp for a couple weeks at Bullis. I'm trying, man. I'm trying on the soccer thing. Part of sitting there and watching it yesterday when I finished, I'm like, you know, this should be the height, right? Spain, France, Euro semifinal, two to one, an absolute insane crowd.

And I'm like, where's the action? And the guy for France, that's one of the great players in the world, Mbapé or whatever his name is, I mean, I see this skill. I see that he's able to maneuver with the ball around people and through people, and he's skilled. But, you know, why doesn't he get goals more often? I think I saw something messy scored in a COPA game last night, I think. But even his total number of goals in like Copa play and World Cup play, it's, I'm going to find it here because I read it.

It's not a lot of goals over a long career, but they don't score. So whatever. Anything else that you'd like to comment on as it relates to soccer? You're not watching it. No, no, I've done enough dancing on that sport for people know. You know how I feel about it. I've always said soccer is a sport for people who don't like sports. American-wise, not the rest of the world.

That's their sport. Oh, Mike Newton said, I don't live in the world. I live in the U.S.A. You live in the United States, as Lefty once said. Yesterday I talked about this thing that ESPN does every summer, where they basically pull a bunch of NFL against. execs, coaches, scouts, and they come up with the top 10 players in each position group. And yesterday was defensive tackles, and there was no Duran Payne, there was no John Allen in the top 10.

They were both, you know, others receiving votes. Today it's pass rushers. You know, pass rushers are real stars in football. I think we all understand that. But, man, I was looking through the list. And some of these players are megastars right now. We are in an era of wide receivers, great wide receivers, I think great defensive tackles, actually, and incredible pass rushers. Miles Garrett's number one. He's a Hall of Fame player, Tommy.

He's only 28 years old. Over T.J. Watt? Miles Garrett's one. He would be my one. T.J. Watts, too. Miles Garrett would be my number one, but you're not wrong if you say it's T.J. Watt. He's dominating I just think that Garrett is actually one of the most difficult players defensively that I've ever seen in terms of keeping him out of your backfield. And it doesn't matter. Like here's a quote from an NFL coordinator. If you don't double team him, he's going to effing kill you. In fact, Garrett is excelling single or double teams more than 30% of the time trailing only Micah Parsons and pass rush win rate.

Garrett status is reigning defensive player the year earned him credibility among voters, but many of them don't consider 2023 any sort of a breakthrough. Yeah, he's been this good for a while. T.J. Watts, 2. Micah Parsons is 3. Do you know what? I'm starting to learn a little bit, which I did not know

before maybe a couple of months ago. Micah Parsons, I don't think, is a super popular player in Dallas. I was watching something, Tommy, a couple of weeks ago where somebody who covers the Cowboys essentially said, you know, they got to pay DAC or they've got to figure it out with DAC, they got to figure it out with C.D. Lamb. And they said, well, you know, the guy that he was sitting with,

and I'm forgetting who it was, said, well, you've got to figure it out with Michael Parsons. And the guy said, yeah, I wouldn't be so quick to say that they're going to end up signing Michael Parsons to a long-term deal. And the guy's like, what? Yeah, you know, and it kind of alluded to maybe he's underachieving and work ethic. different things. And then last week, I don't know if you saw this, Malik Hooker, you know, the Cowboy Safety was talking on some podcast. By the way, he said something about Dan Quinn, too. He took a swipe at Dan Quinn, and I'll find that and read it to you. But basically, he also,

in laying out the players that should get paid, didn't seem to be overly effusive in praise of Micah Parsons. But anyway, I didn't know that until recently. I just see a great player on the field. Nick Bosa star player number four, Max Crosby, a major star in the NFL 5. Aidan Hutchinson, you know, an emerging star is six. There's some real star defensive pass rushers in the league. Now, I could not find Chase Young on this list. He was the one that everybody assumed was going to be on this. I mean, when they drafted him, if I had said in 2024, the top 10 list of pass rushers in the game, where's Chase Young going to be?

I would have said top three. Yeah. DeNeil Hunter, Josh Allen, who by the way changed his name to sort of the Josh Allen and Jacksonville. It's now Josh Hines Allen, Trey Hendrickson and Brian Burns. And then Honorable Mention, Montez Sweat was part of the Honorable Mention group. I'll tell you, Montez Sweat had a hell of a finish

to last year after he got traded to Chicago. So no Washington player anywhere, of course. And, you know, the defensive line, remember just a few years ago, they have invested heavily into the defensive line. This is going to be, you know, this is going to be what carries them and keeps them competitive for years to come. No Chase Young, no Montez Sweat. They're both gone. And John Allen and Duron Payne were not on the top 10 defensive tackles list. But they're close. They're still good players. We'll see what

happens this year. Oh, one other thing. I read this right before the show started. Kind of sad news. It's about Bernie Cozor. I don't know if you read this. Former Cleveland Brown star quarterback Bernie Cozor has been diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver and Parkinson's disease, according to a story in Cleveland magazine. He's 60 years old. I loved watching Bernie Cozar play. I think Bernie Cozar is one of those examples, Tommy, of a player at a position where you say, well, he's clearly not the most. most athletic. He clearly doesn't have the biggest arm, but he just did it with his mind.

You know, like, I don't, I'm not going to compare him to Johnny Unitas in the style of play. You can talk about Unitas. But I think about Unitas sometimes that way is a guy that did it mostly with his brain, like, because he certainly wasn't a super athlete at quarterback. And Cozar, remember how awkwardly he played the position. at Miami and then for the Browns all those years. Like it looked sometimes like he struggled to even get back into the pocket with his movement of feet. But somehow that dude knew where your guys were going to be

more than you even knew it and knew where his guys were going to be and got it to those guys on time. He was an excellent NFL quarterback. He was beloved as a player. Beloved in Cleveland. Still is. Yes. Yes. That is sad news.

Was Unitas that way? Was it all brain over... He had a big arm. United's had a big arm. We did a show one night from Fight Night. This wasn't with you. This was with Rigo. When I did the show with John Riggins for a couple years. And we were Fight Night down at the Washington Hilton. And Bernie Cozhar was there.

And he sat in... for like, I don't know, two or three segments. He was incredibly engaging. He was incredibly smart and had, you know, great stories. But, I mean, I remember St. Rigo. He is certainly, as everybody was at Fight Night, where most people were. He certainly had made a stop or two at the bar before coming over to join us. But it also made him incredibly engaging.

He's a great guest. I think I had him back. Did you and I ever have him on the radio show? I think we did. We may have. I don't we call. I hope he's able to, you know, become healthy. Again, he's only 60 years old,

and he's now on the list for a liver transplant. I just always felt like he was such an interesting player to watch. You know, didn't have a Hall of Fame career, but like you said, he was beloved in Cleveland as they got close to the Super Bowl on two different occasions with Bernie Cozart quarterback, but they lost to the drive, John Elway, and they lost on the Ernest Biner fumble. You know, two legendary plays in the history of the sport and certainly in the history of Cleveland

Brown's football. No one would ever make the case that he was a Hall of Fame quarterback, but he was a damn good quarterback for a long period of time. All right. else today? I got nothing else for you, boss. I got to figure out how I'm getting home. Rate us and review us on Apple and Spotify if you get a chance.

Tommy will let us know on Friday how he got home. I'm sure you'll figure it out. You're very resourceful. So go get your, at least put your wife on a plane before you decide to walk down to the bus station. Don't make her get on a bus. Talk to you Friday. I'll be back tomorrow.

Coza to Biner well thrown. Ernest Biner, touchdown. Oh, was that a touch play by Coza? We've seen the power game of Elway. There is the finesse.