The Kevin Sheehan Show - The Return Of Aaron

Episode Date: July 1, 2020

Aaron was back...sort of. He called in to co-host with Kevin. Aaron had a few binge television show suggestions and then they got to sports. Some gambling talk back on the show for the first time in awhile including an NFL "Covid 19" futures strategy. They weighed in on Cam Newton to the Pats and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. I hope you enjoyed the Needles in Tommy's Eyes story from yesterday that he told. That's going to be lovely and pleasant. I can't remember the last time I got more feedback on cringe-worthy moments on the podcast or the radio show I did with Tommy. but I can appreciate that because I found it to be an unpleasant conversation as well. Guess who's with us today? Aaron is joining us on the show by phone. He's still not back in the studio, and we're going to get to all of that here in a moment. I don't know if you listened to the show yesterday,

and you even know what I'm talking about, but Tommy's getting some retina surgery where he's, going to have to take needles to his eyes here over the five times coming up. And I'm not sure, I can handle needles. I've never been a, I've never had a problem with needles, but a needle to the eye was one of those, oh God, don't talk anymore moments yesterday. And I swear to you, Aaron, at least a dozen people on Twitter, because I looked at Twitter last night afterwards, after, late last night. Oh my God, I had to turn it off.

Neil and Rockville said in all of the years of listening to Sheehan and Leverro together, that was the closest I've ever come to turning it off. Yeah, I'm not a needle guy, so yeah, I was not a big fan of that conversation. And at the

same time, people really appreciated me describing my COVID-19 test because those that hadn't gotten one were concerned about how uncomfortable it was. And I shared with them that it wasn't uncomfortable at all. So I'm glad to have been of service there.

Now, did you go have a COVID-19 test recently? I thought you said that your wife was either going to get one or both of you were going to get one because maybe she was exposed. Yeah, so my wife is currently showing some symptoms. So we have her quarantine in the bedroom right now, which of course means I've been sleeping on the couch for the past few days. I'm waiting on her test to come back. and then I'm going to, if she's positive, I'll go get mine, but I pretty much quarantined myself for now over the past couple of days.

What are her symptoms, if I may ask? She had bad cough and chest tightness, a fever, so not 100%. And she's been out at work and seeing clients and stuff, so she's a little worried she could have been exposed despite the fact of the fact they've been, you know, as careful as they can, but not. obviously at some point there is risk involved. So we're hoping she's going to get it back today. And then if she does positive, I'll be going and getting tested. Do you have any symptoms? No, I'm perfectly fine right now.

I've been staying away from her. I've been just kind of crashing on the couch all day and not doing anything else. So I've been fine, which is why I haven't rushed out to take the test yet. Did she tell you that the test, did she get the nasal swab test? I think, yeah, she got the naval swab test. She said it wasn't that bad. Yeah, it wasn't bad at all. I mean, it was actually, I mean, there was nothing for me anyway.

Several people told me that they've given the test to themselves. Apparently you can do that as well. That's not how mine went. I had a doctor, you know, take these long things and stick them up each nostril, but it really was not uncomfortable at all. I didn't, you know, I was, I had heard about it, and I was wondering if it was, would be. But they said it was so quick that it wasn't really going to matter anyway, and it was pretty quick. I went, Aaron, because we haven't talked other than, we text back and forth a lot,

if people are wondering over the last couple of months every day. But I went because my youngest son, one of his really close friends, tested positive. And a couple of other people in their group of friends have tested positive. So he, we all got tested. We'll get the results back. I guess they said between three and five days. So we got had the test two days ago. So we should be getting something back tomorrow at the, at the earliest. But I actually feel fine. So I, I think everything will be fine. So how have you been? You know, bored. Really, really bored. But, you know, I've been keeping busy however I can. I've been binging TV shows. I've been catching up on reading, which is nice.

Basically, over the winter, I stopped reading, which is something I love to do. So I've gotten a lot of reading done. But really, really hoping sports comes back, despite the fact that it's looking more and more, like, yeah, that could be a question. What shows have you been binge watching, and what have you read recently? Okay, so me and the wife over the past month bingeed all of Parks and Recreation, which... I thought you watched that before. I had watched, I'd never watched it straight through. I had watched, you know, reruns would come on, so I had seen probably half the episodes or so,

but I had never sat down and watched it straight through like that. How many seasons of Parks and Rec? Seven seasons. Is it, I mean, I've watched shows here and there. I'm not really familiar with the show. I'm obviously familiar with several of the people in it, and I know that this was a Greg Daniels production, right? Because Greg Daniels... It's Greg Daniels and several of the writing staff from the office did jump over to Parks and Rec,

and it is very much... You can see it being... You see it laid out very similarly to the office. You would love it. It is... You know, it's hard to say that's good. The office is wonderful, and there's nobody as good as Steve Correll on Parks and Rec. But the depth of the cast, the depth of the characters, I would argue, might even be better

than the office's depth of full cast going. It's just tremendous. And, of course, it starts slow. like almost any comedy does. But by the time it gets to season three, the peaks are every bit as good as the peaks on the office. I know Amy Poller's in it, and I'm a big Amy Poller fan,

and I know Rashida Jones, who is in the office, is in it, and I think Rob Lowe, those are the three people that I know of. Who else is in it that I would know? Nick Offerman is probably the second lead. You do the Dwight, if you will. Okay. He's phenomenal in it. A season sorry, isn't it?

That's really one of his breaks. Aubrey Plaza. Oh, she's hysterical. She's incredible. And of course, Chris Pratt. Oh, okay, Chris Pratt's in it. I didn't know that. I actually didn't know that Chris Pratt was in it. Aubrey Plaza's the one who's got this incredibly dry sense of humor. I've seen her on talk shows before. And it stemmed from this. Like, her character is pure sarcasm. It's amazing. She's from Delaware. Like, I've heard her on talk shows.

whether it was Fallon or Kimmel or others talk about going to Dewey Beach all the time down in Delaware. I didn't know that, but. Yeah. She was also in that movie with De Niro. I forget what the name of that movie was. I saw it and I didn't think it was very good. I'm blanking on the name of that movie. Yeah, I'm not sure that one.

I know she's been a bunch of comedy. She was in the, what, Mike and Dave need a wedding day. with Anna Kendrick and a few others. All right, so let me just add that. God, seven seasons, so I don't know if I'm going to do it. Well, two of them are like the first season of six-episode season, or I don't know if it's short, and then the last season is a half-season as well. But it's worth it.

But you still think that the office is better? I would say I would put the office higher, but this is close. It really is. It's really, really good. All right. What else have you binge watched? Anything else? Oh, you'll laugh at this one, but I've been meaning for a while.

You know, I'm into Star Wars, and they came out with the Star Wars cartoons. Yep, absolutely. I have no problem admitting it. I watch Star Wars cartoons, which, again, was really good, a lot better than I expected them to be. I've been just kind of catching up on movies lately. I watched Casino for the first time last week. I'd never watched Casino. You mean the De Niro Pesci?

Yeah. casino because there's been it whatever reason I never watched it you know it's funny that's that scores aisy too um and that Sharon Stone is in it and she's phenomenal in that movie it was on recently um and I think I watched like the last hour and a half I've probably seen the movie 15 times at least not a goodfellas to me is still way ahead of casino um by miles but um Sharon Stone is phenomenal uh it really, really gets brutally violent, you know, at times, certainly towards the end in particular. Because really, Pesci and his brother, that scene of them getting whacked is one of the worst scenes you can ever imagine. But it's funny because, you know, when it comes to the mob movies, the Mafia movies, people like to rank them.

And I see Casino all the time ranked really high. and I just don't think it is. I thought it was a good movie, but I just, Goodfellas and the God, well, Godfather Goodfellas, whatever order you want to put them in, is one, two,

and then there are many steps after that to get to the next. Like, I'll tell you what's been on TV a lot recently, and is one of my all-time favorite movies is Donnie Brasco. Like, Donnie Brasco is better than casino. Have you seen Donnie Brasco? Have you seen Donnie Brasco? I have not seen Donnie Brasco.

Oh, Aaron. Dona Brasco is Johnny Depp in Pacino. It is so good. I think that's one of the best mob movies of all time. A lot of people like, like I'm trying to think of weird. The Departed would. I think the Departed is good, but I never loved it as much as some of my friends did. I think a Bronx tale is phenomenal.

Bronxdale is good. I mean, the thing about the part is that it's, you know, it's a Sorsese movie for my generation, basically. That's fair. Yeah. I mean, that's true, even though, obviously, you've got Nicholson and some older people in the movie. You know, Martin Sheen's in that movie. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you've got a great cap.

But it's Damon and DeCaprio. Yeah. And it's got, you know, it looks a little bit fleaker. It does those things. It's definitely not, you know, the top of your level, but obviously, you know, for people, again, I saw it in college. I remember, you know, going out to Silver, driving from College Park to Silver Spring to see it. And, you know, it was for some people, I want to say, at least definitely their first in theater sort of the experience of my age. The Departed was?

Yeah. God, what year was the Departed? That was 2006, 2007. Oh, it's that long ago? I would have guessed that it would have been the last 10. Years. No, it's 2006 or 2007. Well, I mean, Donnie Brasco is probably late 90s, early 2000s, somewhere around there.

And I'm telling you, if you haven't seen it, it's an absolute must. Absolute must in that genre. I mean, I always liked, to me, it's Godfather, Goodfellas, Godfather to put them in whatever order you want to put them in. Right. And then we can get to the next level of movies. I liked casino. I never loved it. It was definitely the attempt to follow up on Goodfellas.

But I never thought it reached that level. The idea of Vegas is almost a character, old school Vegas, and the character is good. You know, it adds something to it. Yeah, it does. And, you know, whenever you see these movies, and especially when you go to the old, you know, the old Vegas, you know, 1970s,

Vegas. And in fact, you know, Ace Rothstein's hotel is modeled. Tommy might know this, and I'm guessing here, but I think it was modeled after a hotel that was mob run. May have been the stardust. It was the stardust. And one of the things that sparked me to watch Casino was that one of the books I read was a book from one of the, you know, long-time bookmakers in Vegas, Chris Andrews. who actually ran the Stardust after all of this happened. Well, the Stardust was mob run. I mean, look, most of those hotels were. But there was a big issue with that particular hotel.

My father's told me the story before. I want to say that it had to do with like unions and stuff like that. So that was the hotel, that Rothstein's hotel was a mobbed up. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, well, I think Ace Rothstein is one of Tommy's. favorite movie characters, too, because he refers to him all the time, because he basically refers to Ted Leonis as, you know, Ace Leonis.

Ace Leonis. It is Lesby Rosenthal. Yeah, exactly. It was a longtime Vegas monster. Any other shows, movies? Just put Donnie Brasco on your list, and the next time we get together, you'll tell me, thank you. I will definitely put it on my list. What else?

I think other shows and movies I've watched. Like I said, I've been doing a lot of reasons. I read a couple of Vegas both of getting into kind of old school Vegas. So I read this Chris Andrews book and a few others. I've also been reading.

Again, you're going to call me a nerd for this, but in this case, I'm going to say that I haven't watched the show of it. There is a show of it, but people are comparing it to a sci-fi game of throne. It's called The Expans, which is basically takes place,

they don't ever say a year, but probably 200 years into the future and has colonized the stars, and basically the reason they compare the Game of Thrones, it's different factions of the world. So you've got like the people representing Earth and Mars and the belt, the asteroid belt,

and kind of the outer, all just kind of fighting over territory and making alliances and stuff. Uh-huh. Okay. It doesn't sound like it's like it's for me, am I right? Maybe not, but again, it's one of those situations where

it's a sci-fi book, but only because of where it takes place. It's really a character drama. Okay. Well, I mean, if it's a character drama, I'd be into it. Yeah, I haven't watched the show yet. The shows on Amazon Prime, but I've been reading the series, so. You know when you started talking about this stuff, and I just yelled out nerd, you know what that's from, right?

There's plenty of things that it's from. Yeah, but there is a one word from one of our favorite characters of all time to one Dwight Trute. When Michael says, it's the basketball episode when he's picking the teams and he says something about a character from one of Dwight's, you know, it may have been Lord of the Rings or something like that, and Dwight gives the character name. And Michael just goes, nerd. That's why you're not on the team. That's why you haven't been picked for the team. The basketball episode, one of the greatest ever, especially when he picks Stanley and says, of course Stanley. And Stanley goes, why of course?

Of course. And then he dribbles. Stanley's dribbling with one hand behind his back and one hand on the ball. Oh, come on the ball. I'm not be kidding me. And Michael goes, oh, you've got to be kidding me. And of course, Phyllis and Kevin would have been the two best players other than Jim on the team. Yeah.

Yeah, I've been listening to those podcasts. I've been listening to The Office podcast. Oh. And I've been also listening to the Scrubs podcast with Zach Graft and Donald Seiz. Yeah, I never listened. I never watched that. I've listened. Here's the problem with the, um, the office podcast called Office Ladies. And it's Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey who played Pam and Angela on the office for those of you that are fans. They, they are doing a rewatch of the entire series and they just got to like the beginning of season three somewhere around there. And I, and I will, you know, if I'm on like a long walk with the dog,

I'm usually listening to music, but occasionally I'll listen to those. Here's the problem I have with the podcast, and I love both of them. Don't get me wrong. It's just too girly at times. You know, there's too much talk, and it's not criticism like there isn't an audience for it. For me, there's just too much talk about, you know, hairstyles and what everybody was wearing. and I just want to hear the back stories of, you know, the different scenes and how it was shot and where it was shot and why it was shot this way. And, you know, and a lot of the relationship stuff between the people, you know, the cast members.

I don't know if you, do you feel the same way or not? You know, I, yes, it can get it. I like the fact that it does delve so much into it. I do think it occasionally goes too much into the – Was this improv? No, it wasn't improv. It was written. Was this scene improv?

No, this wasn't an improv. Was this – well, this line was – That gets a little old, too. Are you saying that – I agree. Yeah. That's the part to me that gets annoying the hair and stuff. I can just, you know, kind of brief past. When they get people on, like they had, for this season two finale,

they had John Krasnski on and having him tell all the stories. That was awesome. I listened to that podcast. I listened to that show. and they had Rain Wilson. They've already, they've had almost everybody on except for Steve Carrell.

Yeah, they've had, I'm trying to see, they haven't had, and they said they're going to have Karen on, you know, they get the season three people on as they're introduced. So.

I think it is, it may be, at one point, it was the number two podcast behind like Joe Rogan, right? It's possible. I hadn't seen that. I know it was very high up there.

Same with the Scrubs one I'm watching. It's amazing how everyone's just getting into rewatch podcasts. There's the most popular thing on the planet. I get it, though. I'm sitting around the house. They have nothing to do. Oh, my God. For a podcast like that of one of the all-time popular sitcoms

and to have the two of them who are best friends, which is so ironic because they were not on the show, I just actually pulled up where they are, and they just released Diwali today, and Mindy Kaling's a guest on this particular show.

Oh, that should be great. And I think she's awesome. Yeah. I mean, in fact, out of all of them, other than Steve Karell, she's probably the one

that's had the best career. You can make a case for John Krasinski between, you know, Jack Leran and his directing. I didn't, but I haven't seen any of those movies,

the quiet place or whatever. I haven't either. Yeah, I haven't seen them either, but they're very successful and he's a, you know, Desire Director. But, yeah, you could definitely make the case for Mindy. Yeah, she's been really, I mean, she's been prolific in terms of producing and waiting. I'm sorry?

Ed Helms. Well, true. That's, you know, obviously all the movies. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably right. It's probably Correll Helms and Mindy Kaling out of all of them. I don't know. Maybe these two, Angela.

and Jenna with this podcast to lend up because they've got a massive, massive audience on that podcast. And you can tell by the number of advertisers, and I guarantee you they're paying big money. Aaron is joining us. Speaking of advertisers, real quickly, let me tell you about hydrant. If you are really looking to keep yourself hydrated in a very easy way, and you can get dehydrated very easily, especially during the summer months, I want you to consider hydrant. Top performers in business and sports. They look to stay hydrated, and hydrant is a way to stay hydrated and stay healthy because 75% of us are walking around everyday life chronically dehydrated.

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Just any curiosity, do you know the story? I'm not, I'm not sure. I've seen a bunch of stuff this morning about various college football things. So let's hear which one this is. So a noted University of Illinois professor and doctor, Dr. Sheldon Jacobson, tells Dennis Dodd, at CBSSports.com that he expects a 30 to 50% infection rate of the approximately 13,000 players that will compete in FBS Division I college football this season. Based on his research, he also projects three to seven deaths among those players due to COVID-19. The quote is,

a few of them could end up in the hospital and you'll have a small number who could die. I don't want to sugarcoat it for you. I just want to give you the facts. If everybody comes together under normal circumstances, we'll probably see that kind of outcome. Now, he basically made these projections. I mean, this is a grim report. This is as grim as it gets. And this is the first time we've heard this about any of the sports that are attempting to either start or resume.

and then projected forward to football season about deaths. And it's what Tommy and I have been talking about, and that is Rudy Gobert's positive test shut down all of sports instantaneously. That's, of course, at this point, not going to shut down sports. I mean, they're expecting positive tests and probably a lot of infections and positive tests. And, you know, it could threaten the integrity of some teams and games, and we'll just have to see how that goes. But the Rudy-Ga-Barre analogy moving forward is the first player that gets seriously ill and or worse dies.

That will shut down sports again. It's only going to take one player in any of these sports to be on a ventilator fighting for his life. You know, God forbid it happens and no one wants it to happen. but if it happens one time in any of these sports, that's going to be a Rudy Gobert moment. And this report is grim. Who knows whether or not this guy will be right? You know, the death rate continues to fall as the infection cases continue to increase, whether this is part of wave one or wave two, who the hell really knows?

Because there's clearly differing opinion on all of that. But it does, you know, bring you to this reality. that if you weren't there already, that the resumption of sports or the starting of certain sports comes with, you know, at this point, every bit of a 50-50 probability you would think that it won't finish. Yeah, I mean, I've kind of been working under that assumption, especially for the past few weeks. and, you know, just straight numbers if you're looking at it. That's kind of what, you know, I've never heard in a report like that, but people on Twitter, people, wherever, have been saying, look, you're putting all these people at all it takes as one, the odds are that, yes, something bad is going to happen. And you combine it with, particularly for college football, the fact that all of these university presidents are like, well, we're actually not planning on opening on time, or if things stay the same, we're not playing on time.

I'm looking at Malik Housman from Arizona, who tweeted last night, the University of Arizona's president said that if conditions say the same, the University of Arizona would not open to students on time. And Malik Housman, who plays where he was like, okay, well, why are we on campus then? You're going to get more of that, too. You're going to get more players really speaking out, saying, okay, if this is too dangerous for students to come on campus, why is the football team on campus? Why are we playing? There's no doubt. No doubt that the players, as Tommy's been predicting, it's going to be the players that start to push back on a lot of this. And if somebody gets sick, well, then they're definitely going to push back if the sport makes an effort to continue forward, even if somebody gets seriously ill.

Yeah. And I do think it will take that one lightning rod moment, whether it's a severe illness, whether it's a death. Like, there will be a lightning rod moment, and that could end up being the Rudy Gober moment. because I think these players, you know, they're not locking stuff with this. They definitely feel uneasy about it, and they just need a reason to point at something to say, this is stupid. We can't do this anymore. There's another part of this, too, and it's just going to be, you know, the true enthusiasm these players have. Like, I'm thinking more about the NBA, the NHL, and baseball. There's clearly, as we've seen players opt out, where they've had the opportunity to opt out,

there's less enthusiasm as the reality of coming back and in the NBA's case being, you know, in a hub city where they'll have few freedoms like they have now. And what that will look like as a consumer product, because I think that there's a chance that I'm going to tune into the NBA when it starts and I'm going to be like, this sucks. You know, no crowds. It looks different. The urgency is different. And then Adam Silver added this to the mix today. I don't know if you saw this, but Adam Silver, the commissioner of the NBA, said that the NBA made need to run these games on tape delay because of the bad language that will be used from players during the games. Now, the only reason that this league is going to make an attempt to play

and finish their season and get through a postseason is for the team. TV money. Sure. If you tape delay these games and people know the results, nobody's watching it. I mean, when you talk about tape delay, he just means like a, you know, maybe an extra delay, like a two-minute delay, I assume. I don't. I mean, you can't mean like the Olympics tape delay where it's 12 hours later.

I just read the headline. You might be right. That makes total sense. I think they'd be better off just piping in some crowd noise. Sure, pipe in crowd noise, and you know what, you're on cable. If it gets through, it gets through. It's happened before. Is that what they're talking about?

Because you may have clarified it for me. I don't know. I hadn't seen that before. I'm assuming that it has to be just an extra delay in there, like instead of the typical 30-second delay. Well, I would even mention it. Why would it be a headline then? Because people that are watching wouldn't even know

if you're talking about a minute delay instead of, you know, or 30-second delay instead of a seven-second delay? Yeah, I mean, I'd have to see exactly what everything is. Here's the story. Tape delay was once the ugliest word in basketball. When the NBA finals were taped delayed prior to the league's explosion and popularity in the 1980s, it was a sign of disinterest from fans and corporate sponsors.

Just as a quick FYI, for those that don't know, The last time the NBA finals were actually shown on tape delay was 1980, Magic Johnson's rookie year when they beat the 76ers, when he had that famous 42-point game playing center for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in game six in the spectrum, which clinched it. That game was shown on tape delay, right? It was not shown live. Adam Silver explained in a Time 100 interview, bad language is a real concern for us in these games at Disney. Quote, I think often players, they understand when they're on the floor, they're saying certain things to each other because it's so loud in the arena. They know a lot of it is not being picked up.

They may have to adapt their language a little bit, knowing what they will say will likely be picked up by microphones. and in all seriousness, we may need to put in, okay, here it is, a little bit of a delay. Okay, if that sounds like a three-minute delay or something like that, or a little bit of an extra delay in there. Yeah, maybe we can, well, let's, who knows, maybe we can get live reports via Twitter and go in-game bet with a three-minute lead. There we go.

Of course, they probably get it before the tweet. getting the info before the tweet. Yeah. There was a story, I don't know if you read this out of Vegas this weekend, about some of the KBOL, some of the Korean baseball games. There was the situation in MGM where there was a glitch that they put in the wrong start time, so people were betting like into the sixth inning of a game as if it was a live, of pregame line.

Yeah, they had the wrong start times. So between 1.30 a.m. and 3 a.m. Sunday morning Pacific time. So just understand these casinos are, you know, they're open, you know, 24-7, and you can go and and bet at any time. But there was, the games were already an hour, hour and a half old, and they were being posted as start times coming up, and people took advantage of it to the tune of maybe a quarter of a million dollars in total, you know, impact. There is, there was one particular game.

The over-under in the game was nine and a half. and there were seven runs in the first two innings, and the game was still showing that it hadn't gone yet. Man, I would have loved to have had that opportunity. I actually was with a group of friends. Well, they might have to pay it back, though. I don't know. I think that the liability is on the casino in that situation.

There's going to be a grievance involved with it. They're going to see what happened. Sometimes they can say that if you knowingly make a bet under false pretenses, like that's an illegal bet. Now, can you go in? Exactly. How can you prove it? You don't know.

But that's what they're going to claim is that they made the bets under false pretenses. A friend of mine told me that he's been betting soccer for the last month and that the COVID-19 tests, which are not disclosed typically in advance of the game. Sometimes the information comes right as the game is about to start. I don't know this for a fact because I'm not watching these games, but he told me specifically about a game a week ago where the team that was favored as a minus 1-15 favorite, so a very slight favorite in a soccer match that on a particular blog that he follows or Twitter account that he follows, they came out with the news that three players on that particular team were out because they tested positive.

they were really good players. He immediately fired in on the other team, and it was still at like plus 110 or whatever it was to bet the underdog. And he said the final score of the team that he bet on, they won the game. This is soccer, nine to one. I mean, that is a once in soccer, that's like the equivalent of a football game that a college football game,

that a college football game that goes 77 to 7. That's essentially nine to one. They don't score nine goals in four games sometimes, let alone one. That's the other thing real quickly about soccer. It's been working what they've been doing over there. Yeah. They've been getting this English Premier League, the Italian Series A League, La Liga. They've been playing these games.

They've been getting them. without spectators and players are testing positive, but I guess no one's gotten sick yet. No one's gotten sick yet. I mean, it is obviously, you know, a lot lower cases there. They're not nearly as severe on the outside, you know, of the sports bubble as the U.S. is right now. So that's kind of the one big thing. But, yeah, I mean, it's shown that if you do it carefully and everything works around it, you can. I think, I mean, the obvious different when it comes to college football is just there's so many more.

players involved. Aaron is joining us on the podcast today. You guys haven't heard from Aaron in a while. I made the decision. Before the NFL draft. Yeah, I made the decision, I guess, shortly before the NFL draft. I just said, you know what? Because we were in here through the month of March and through much of April, right?

I think it was beginning of April. But yeah. Through the beginning of April. And the truth is, and we said, you know, we're roughly six feet apart, but it was barely six feet apart. This is a small studio. And I just, you know, at the time, I just thought it was best for Aaron and best for me, especially since we were both sort of out and about. Like, you know, I was working. You know, you're younger and you, you didn't quarantine yourself completely during that period, right? Not completely. I've been pretty good about quarantine. I've, you know, I've been

going out, getting groceries, getting food. But over, for the most part, I've just kind of tried to stay inside. So what have you missed the most about not being in studio with me every day? I'm kidding. Oh, definitely, you know, well, clearly talking to you every day, but honestly getting to rant about various things that pop up from time to time. I would have loved to be on when DC rolled out the gambling and been on that show. Oh, God, I'm going nuts on Twitter. You and I both totally predict that. What's it called DC Game Better or something like that? What's the site? It's terrible. It's It's terrible. Intralot is the company, and I think it's GAMBet or something like that. Yeah.

Yeah, it's really, really bad. And I'm not going to say it's worse than what I said because I had a pretty low bar, but. Well, we both predicted how costly it was going to be. Yeah, but I thought they would at least try to mitigate that. Like, it would be really costly on the game line. Actually, I thought it would be $1.18. I didn't think they'd go up to $118. What do you mean? they're up at like minus 133 on some of these week one NFL games.

I looked at it like last week. I'm just talking about the straight line. It's 118 on either side. Right now, right now you have week one games where several of the games are minus 118 on any loss on either side. But as an example, right now, if you bet the Colts in lay six and a half, I mean, it's a key number, all right? I'm sure at minus 7 we'd get minus 118, but at minus 6 and a half, you're laying minus 133. Like, I mean, there is, for those of you... Someone went through a NASCAR one, which is obviously not the pure line, and it was something like 80% undervalue for a standard bet.

It's just like going down the list. It's unbelievable. For those that aren't following along, I'll make it really easy for you. Football is the easiest way to understand it. If you bet typically through a well-priced outfit, whether that's your local book or a really good offshore shop, you're going to pay on $100 loss, you're going to pay $110 if you lose, you win $100 if you win. on this DC lottery, the legalization of sports betting in the District of Columbia is now available. Obviously, you can't bet football now. He can't bet baseball or basketball, but they've got soccer.

And as Aaron just mentioned, you can bet NASCAR. And you probably can bet some cricket if you want to bet some cricket from wherever it's played. But if you lose on the NFL side, instead of losing on average 110, you're going to lose somewhere between $118 and $125. So that is, you know, you may say, oh, whatever, it's $8 here or it's $15 there, but for people that bet more than $100, it adds up. And you don't have to pay that. And it's all part and parcel to what I have always felt. Number one, it was going to be very costly to do.

Number two, this is going to appeal to people more likely than not that really haven't wagered before. And so there's going to be a bit of a naivete and an excitement that they actually have an outlet to wager on, and they're going to be unsuspecting on how expensive it is to them. And how easy it would be to find another place that's much, you know, much more fair in terms of the prices. I guarantee you, like, I mean, I really would bet that people like Ted and all of his people don't even know the difference. You know, I can't think it. At least he partnered with a more reputable company. He's going through William Hill for the casino at Capitol One Arena.

So maybe he does know a little better. But between the fact that they actually rolled this side, which also, by the way, looks terrible. It's just an ugly looking sight. Terrible looking. And then when Faced with criticism, did you see their statement? It was the most outrageous thing I'd ever seen. No, I didn't. It was.

it was we're not you know we're not operating like a casino sports book because we want to bring money to the city of DC so that's why we're not putting and then they said something like

well we're providing you know equitable lines and extra juice to make more money and my first like oh because we want to make more of a profit and my three points were one so you don't think casino sports books are making a profit here

for one. Two, you're not doing equitable lines. You're not making fair lines and you're not doing anything interesting, but you're not going to make more of a process. It was like, those outrage. Do me a favor and send me that if you can find that. Text me that statement. Because that, that's, um, that's something that I'd want to throw into the show tomorrow, maybe with Tommy, certainly on the radio show. That's, that's unbelievable. But it speaks to like just the, um, the not understanding how all of this works. I mean, first of all, you and I have said it many times before. Until there's an ability to offer credit, it's never going to be a massive thing in a lot of places. I mean, where you have unbelievable population and, you know, predisposition to sports

fans and gambling, you know, Jersey, New York, you know, Philly, you're going to do just fine. But in places where they really think they're going to knock the cover off the ball. They haven't so far, in part because these are smaller bettors. And if you don't offer credit, you know, it's, it's harder for people to pull the trigger consistently. But send me that. I have the exact quote here. Okay. Our hold is higher because our mission is to return profit to the district that DC Lottery spokeswoman said in an email, Gambit, D.C. aimed at maximizing revenue for the district while still providing competitive pricing and entertainment values to casual sports betters. It does none of those things.

First of all, the premise is wrong. Well, yeah, translation. Translation, we are telling you we're going to rip you off, but it's going to be great for the city you live in. We're going, they're telling you, we're providing an inferior product to everybody else, but somehow we're going to make more money than they are. Well, that's misguided because although the inferior product, and the pricing that we've talked about,

I'm telling you a lot of these people that are betting these sites aren't going to know the difference. So you shouldn't even tell them. You shouldn't even tell them. But they're going to track the people who want to put $20 down $120 bet every three weeks. I need to get that person.

I need to get that person on the show. Who is that person? I tried. I don't know. I just said a spokesperson. But when they rolled out, I did try to get somebody on, was not successful as of yet.

I think, again, and I think they shut things down after the initial, or at least public relations lies after the initial release. And, I mean, look, Virginia might be right around the day. It was like they're setting up. So if Virginia or Maryland legalizes soon, they're dead. I mean, what D.C. needs to do is they just need to open it up, let drafts, let Fandual come in, have their apps.

You know, tax the hell out of them if you want. But, because they know what they're doing. And clearly, Intralot doesn't. Yeah. What have you missed most sports-wise during the last four-plus months? I mean, obviously March Madness killed me to see go. But, like, I can't tell you how many times I've walked outside, especially last month, nice day, and I would have killed to get to a baseball game. I love just, you know, I go to minor league games.

I just love going out and going to a baseball game. And the fact that we haven't been able to and we've been stuck in the house is. really killed me over the past really six weeks. Aaron's such an old soul, people. I mean, he's a young, young man who's, you know, coming up in the world and, you know, is married and he's working multiple jobs. And he loves to go to the slow, easy-paced baseball games and sit by himself at a minor league baseball game.

God love you. That's right. Is Turgeon getting anybody? It's a lost season. I mean, assuming there's even a season played, this year just feels like a lost season to me. They really looks like at this point they struck out on everybody when it comes to the transfer market,

and they're just putting in all their effort into recruiting for the next couple classes. I disagree with you. I don't disagree with you on the factual part of what you said, which is they missed out on everybody, and he did, and that's a shame, He, they've got some scholarships and they've, they had some transfer, big time transfer opportunities. You know, they got the guy from Virginia Tech, right?

But is he even eligible? We don't even know if he's eligible for this year. But I think that what they have coming back is still intriguing. I don't think they're going to suck. They're not going to get a big-time preseason, you know, pub. In fact, Lenardi doesn't have that. He doesn't even have him in the tournament. Yeah, he doesn't even have them in the field.

I mean, that's the first time I don't think. It's been a while since they haven't been in the field preseason in Lannardi's, you know, Bracketology. But they have some players. You know, Ayala, Morsell, Dante Scott, and Aaron Wiggins, you know, and I'm excited to see what Chole Muriel could be next year. I am. I think he could be at the very least a major factor defensively as a shot blocker.

but they have some talent. I mean, Ialam, Morssel, Dante Scott, and Wiggins, that's a veteran club with all of those players having a chance. If they take the next step and they get, they're even better coming back, Maryland's got a decent team. Decent team, but, you know, we're talking about maybe middle of the pack of the Big Ten with a little luck, and, you know, I think I agree with Lennardi right now. I wouldn't slot him in at the tournament.

And, you know, how it goes. If you're not a tournament team, then it doesn't really matter if you're good and not a tournament team or bad and not a tournament team. You know, what's interesting is that obviously, you know, these players that have committed to the draft early, take Jalen Smith, who I saw a mock draft the other day. He was in the top 15. I think it was CBS Sports.com. The latest mock draft had him in the top 15. So he, you know, that time, remember at one point in the season, we weren't sure if he was a first round pick or not. He's clearly going to be a first-round pick, and he's going to be very close to being a lottery pick by the time we get there, which is going to be in October, I think, at this point, whenever the NBA finals.

Yeah, I think that the October, yeah. But I'd be curious, you know, given that the NBA season, there's going to be a draft, and then it's going to pretty much start within two months after the draft in terms of the 2020, 2020, 2021 season. I think that they're looking at like a December start. if everything goes well after an October end. I wonder if a guy like Jalen Smith says, maybe, you know, maybe it just want to get into a normal year. And I'm going to come back and play one more year. I guess he can't at this point.

But at this point, anything's in play in terms of rules. Yeah, that's the thing. And again, this is all the season actually happens, which who knows. Yeah. All right, so baseball you miss. Obviously, we miss the tournament, and we'll never know what the night. Miss gambling. I don't.

I don't miss gambling at all. The last wager I placed was probably towards the end of the college basketball season, that early March time frame. And I haven't missed that. I missed the tournament because, you know, you and I, as Maryland alums, were very excited about this particular team. I think we all felt that it was Mark's best.

team and best chance to make a super deep run into the field. They were playing great. Jalen Smith was blowing up before our very eyes. They had the veteran, you know, really good point guard, and they had the role players, and, you know, they were really, really going to be a threat to get to the final four or even beyond that. Who knew? Who knew? We'll never know. So I missed that we didn't get a chance to do that because those are the games you're on the edge of your seat. But man, I haven't really missed anything else. You know I'm not a big hockey guy even though I love the playoffs. I love the NBA playoffs, but I don't.

I think it's going to be really interesting. And it's something that I asked, I forget who I had as a guest and whether it was the podcast or the radio show. And I'm forgetting who it was now. It was an executive of a team. It may have been Tommy Shepard. I forget the Wizards GM, but I said, is there any concern in sports that being away for, you know, a potential long period of time that people may learn that they don't need sports as much as they thought they needed them? And then you add to the equation what we've gone through here as a country in the last month to the whole pandemic.

And people, you know, people have prioritized things. sports to some, not everybody, is less important than it was. And you've also simultaneously had the experience of living without it now for, you know, a third of a year. And no one, there isn't one person that's gone at any point in their lives, most of us, without having sports for four plus months. You know, there's the dead period in July, basically, around the All-Star game, and that's it. There's always something to watch. There's always something to follow.

And I just wonder if these leagues are concerned. I don't think the NFL is concerned. I think the NFL in really almost college football are in separate categories, because people will miss those things terribly if they aren't there in the fall. But I'll tell you one thing. I don't hear a lot of people in my world that distraught that they can't watch a baseball game tonight or that they missed out on the NBA playoffs or NHL playoffs. I don't think there's a little comfortable.

The fact that you can't just, you know, 11 o'clock at night, you're thinking about starting to fall asleep, turn on some sports. I think there's a more abstract of that more than physically, man, I miss the NBA, man, I miss baseball. Man, I'm trying to wind down what's my, you know, at least for me a lot of times it's from 11 to 12. I'm going to turn on whatever's on TV, even if it's in the background, just have it on. And not having that has, that's been tough. But I do agree with you that as far as the specifics of, you know, losing half of a baseball season, losing the NBA playoff, you're right that people aren't necessarily specifically missing that.

Yeah, it's a strange time we are living in. Have you, you know, I know that you're, a lot of the conversations that Aaron and I would have, you know, before the podcast or after the podcast, we're very much, you know, sometimes sports related, but sometimes, you know, world event related. So we haven't had those conversations over the last couple of months. But you pay attention to everything. Have you participated in a protest or been involved in anything? I haven't simply because if I had lived downtown, I probably would have tried to get involved with one of them because I'm out here in the suburbs.

I haven't really had to ever to, and I haven't really wanted to leave the house unless I really needed to. So I haven't, but I've been, you know, talking about it. I've been doing stuff on social media. I've been doing what I can without leaving the house. but I haven't actually gone to a protest now. All right. What else? This was nice to catch up on the podcast.

What do you have for me? Well, I don't think, did you talk much about Cam Newton yesterday with Tom? Not as much. Maybe not at all with Tom. I did on the radio show. Yeah. So that was, I would say, somewhat predictable. I didn't expect a jerked him to go in as the undisputed starter, but what were your thoughts?

Well, my thoughts are that if Cam Newton's healthy, this could be huge for Belichick and Josh McDaniels. I know that a lot of people think that Cam Newton, you know, has to be and play a certain style of football to be effective. Well, who says that he can't play that way in New England? Josh McDaniels is pretty creative. I think he's an incredible talent. I think he's a good quarterback. I think now remember this. I am a Jarrett Stidham fan.

I loved him at Auburn. I predicted that somebody would get him in the third or fourth round and that he would be a future starting quarterback in the NFL or certainly had a really good chance to be that. And I think the Patriots like him too. But this is an absolute no-brainer at the salary structure. And I've seen a lot on Twitter and a lot written and talked about in terms of his salary. And, you know, there are white backup quarterbacks that are making a lot more.

I mentioned this, I think, maybe not on the podcast yesterday, but New England had the least amount of cap space of any team in the league. So New England had the ability to roll the dice on an injured Cam Newton and give them a base league minimum with a bunch of incentives. They couldn't fit anything else under their cap. And if it works out great and if it doesn't, it's no loss for them. Other teams may have been willing to do that as well, but, you know, the Patriots couldn't afford anymore than what they offered Cam Newton. So don't look at the Patriots and say, that's a pathetic offer.

They should have given him at least backup quarterback money. Well, they couldn't afford backup quarterback money. They had about a million and a half under the cap, which is essentially going to be the league minimum, you know, area for somebody of his, what is the league minimum for him? It's over a million bucks. Yeah, I think it's slightly over a million. I'm not sure exactly where it is. But I think the thing that, thing is, we don't know if Cam Newton is healthy. I had said it last year.

Exactly. I think it was on the podcast when Kyle Allen took over, I said, I don't think a healthy Cam Newton exists anymore. I still believe that. I could be wrong. And if I am wrong, then, yeah, the Patriots just got the Steelers Century. And I know someone snuck in a 300 to one MVP bet. before they were able to move the lines there.

I think it was that said MGM, but yeah, I don't know that healthy cam exists, and I don't know how good CAM is if he's not healthy. But it was a no-risk, high-reward move for the Patriots. Worst come to work. They were in the exact same situation they were in before, and they have Jared Sidham takeover. Best case you have a former MVP, who is now healthy, has your quarterback, and still a...

AFCs has certainly gotten better, but it's still a fairly open decision. You know, you think about this particular offseason, and it really was for teams that needed a quarterback and a veteran quarterback, this was the year. Like, very few off seasons offered up what this offseason offered up. Tom Brady, Teddy Bridgewater, Philip Rivers, Nick Foles, Cam Newton, James Winston. Marcus Marriota. I think I might be forgetting somebody else in the mix. But there were so many opportunities to get somebody who has started before.

And the Patriots held out and they ended up getting the best deal. It's the lowest risk and the highest reward. But to your point, you may be right. I mean, we may never see Cam get the opportunity. because he may never be healthy. He looks pretty good in some of the pictures that I've seen. He looks thin. He looks in shape.

I mean, speaking of in shape, does anybody look more in shape than Dwayne Haskins? And the constant pictures and videos that he keeps sending out of himself thrown passes, yesterday to McColl Hardman, the chief's receiver, he looks great. You know, let's hope it means something. But it's also when you put it in Redskins terms, because Ron Rivera did weigh in on Cam, and he said wouldn't surprise him at all if Cam turns out to be the real deal. Don't bet against Cam. But, you know, for the Redskins, it was about Dwayne Haskins.

And that's the direction they're going. I mean, it's pretty clear that that, you know, it's Dwayne Haskins. And if Haskins fails, they've got a guy that's run the offense before and a guy that played pretty well. at times. The thing that I like about the Redskins strategy with not going with a veteran quarterback is it's an admission that they're not close and that they are building for the future and that they're looking at 2021, 2021, 2022 with the new culture hopefully in place and the new and the young players familiar now with a new system. But, you know, I believe in Haskins, but the Redskins had an opportunity this year. This would have been the year if Bruce Allen were

still here. And let's just say they didn't have Haskins where he would have said, we're going to go sign Philip Rivers or we're going to go sign Teddy Bridgewater or we're going to try to get into the Brady market, which of course would have been, you know, it would not have worked out. Brady would have had zero interest in playing here. But it was, it's an interest, it was an interesting quarterback off season. And I don't know who the winner will be, but I think it's going to be your favorite team.

I think the Buccaneers, if they're completely healthy, will be great. By the way, one last thing, because it ties back to the NFL and betting. So I was talking to a really close friend of mine who, this is in the last week, I haven't mentioned this story, that he's a big time better and has been, you know, for a long time. It's a sharp opinion the whole nine yards. And he said, this is going to be the strangest, weirdest, if it happens, NFL season ever. and it might offer up the best opportunities on futures bets. And I said, you know, what are you going to bet all overs or all unders?

And he said he's already put a ton of money on the five to seven long shots on the board to win the Super Bowl, to win NFC or AFC championship, to win those divisions. And he said, you're going to have a lot of these long shot teams. It's going to be about who stays the hell. healthiest and who has the most players, front-line players, on their roster for the longest period of time. And we do know that about the NFL. The healthiest teams end up being very often the most successful teams over a 16-game regular season. And this year, more than any other, you really have no idea how that will shake out because you could have, you know,

a bottom-of-the-barrel team, take the Redskins in terms of the odds, or Jacksonville, And they have super long odds to win the division or win the NFC or AFC championship game or win the Super Bowl. And they could lose nobody to COVID-19. And every team in their division could lose a bunch of players. It's an interesting way to look at it. I think week in and week out, we're going to have, you know, Sunday mornings if they play, we're going to wake up to all the news about all the players that are out. And, you know, there's a, the HIPAA laws, at least Adam Silver mentioned this yesterday.

actually it was baseball that talked about it, that they will not be able to specifically identify by name the players who are out because of COVID-19, because of HIPAA. So I would imagine that that would be the case in all these sports. But if you wake up on a Sunday morning and you find that five players who were healthy all week just got scratched, well, you're going to know that it was because they just tested positive. Oh, yeah, definitely.

I mean, it's one of those things where you're going to know even if they don't make it official. Unless someone just gets hung over and can't actually play. Imagine the middling opportunities, you know, to bet. But you can't, you can't predict that. I mean... You can't predict it, but I do... I like the idea of just betting for some of the long shots.

I did that, you know, just like for baseball, with, you know, the shortened season and the ridiculousness of it. I think that you can get anyone in, like, the 30-to-fleet. You don't necessarily want to bet on the truly terrible, not that the Orioles or the Marlins, but teams like the Reds at 30-to-1. I put down a bet on that just because this is going to be a crazy, crazy season between the fact that it's going to be all about who's healthy and the fact that it's only 60 games.

And, you know, as we've seen in baseball, 60 games, is not a reflection of an entire season, that betting on long shots is going to be probably a safe thing in almost all sports, including, by the way, if you want to bet on the Wizards to make the playoffs right now with all of these Nets players saying, yeah, Brooklyn, right, yeah. Yeah, like, that might not be a bet, that bet right now. you can get it really high at some books. The problem is they're like six games behind Brooklyn.

Yeah, but half the team ends up sitting out. Yeah, but the Wizards still have to win games to get within four of them. It's true. And it's why it's a long shot. But I just think, you know, for example, I saw it on one of my books at 20 to 1 that the Wizards get the 8th seed yesterday. I think it's actually gone a little bit down. You're telling me that there's a 10% chance that the Wizards make it now,

instead of a 5% chance? Nothing to the value there. I'm looking at updated NFL division and NFC championship in Super Bowl odds. It's really interesting. The Giants keep moving up the board. Like, there is a lot of momentum on the Giants this year. I think a lot of people like their roster and believe in Daniel Jones. Like, in the division, the Cowboys and the Eagles are basically co-favorits to win the NFC East.

The Giants are 10 to 1 on my site, and the Redskins are 25 to 1. Like, there's a huge disparity among the odds makers as they evaluate the Redskins versus the Giants. And I think in a lot of the fans' minds, the Redskins look better to them than the Giants do, but not to handicappers. The Giants look like a much better outfit right now with a chance to make a much bigger impact. I mean, the Redskins currently on one of my sites as I sit here and look, are still the

last, they're the longest shot to win the NFC championship. In fact, by a long shot, they're like at 100 to 1, Carolina is at 75 to 1. And Super Bowl... I just pulled up a site that breaks it down for every... You can

bet on what position they'll finish minus 145 to finish 4 in the NFC. That's called the prohibitive favor to finish dead last in the division. Yeah, but, you know, this is, that's probably the opportunity, too, is to bet some of the long shots in these divisions. Maybe bet every single, you know, long shot in all eight divisions, knowing that, you know, you probably only need two of them to, you need to, well, you may only need, depending on the odds, you'd probably need two of them to break even. The Redskins, 14 to 1 to win the NFC. So the Redskins got it.

You've been covered. I got 25 to 1 right here. I got the Giants of 10 to 1. Look at you. So, yeah. All right, what else? I read an interesting article yesterday that he might be interested because it involves Dwayne Haskins.

It was about this guy, it was in the athletic. It was this guy, Seth McCowski, who's this mental and chess coach, who apparently has been working. with a bunch of NFL quarterbacks, including Dwayne Haskins and Deshaun Watson to improve the mental side of their game. Man, he's been working with a lot of different people. Like he's worked with Quincy Avery. He's worked with that other guy whose name escapes me. He was a college quarterback for a while.

I'll look at it. He's doing a lot. I mean, doesn't mean anything. I'll go on Tanda Express. Would you say? The guy, Seth Mikowski, he owns the restaurant group that owns Panda Express. Oh, really? He's doing a ton of things, apparently.

So he's a quarterback mentor, and he is in a fast, casual restaurant investor. Exactly. But, yeah, it's not specifically that he's a quarterback coach. He's a mental coach, but because... Oh, here it is. I just found it. You know who wrote the story? Who?

Bruce Feldman. Oh, yeah, yeah. I didn't realize that Bruce was with the athletic. Yeah. Bruce Feldman is one of my favorite college football analysts. I've had him on the podcast many times, on the radio show many times. He's been with everybody over the years, lots of different people. He's got this incredibly dry delivery that I love, but he's really sharp.

He's written some really good college football books. He wrote the story, so I'll read it. it's a story that came out yesterday. I didn't see it. Yeah, and one of the things we talked about how Dwayne Haskins has a chess app on his phone right now to try to keep, you know, like when he just has downtime, you will pull up this chess app to try to keep, you know, mentally sharp. You know, that's one thing, and I don't think I've mentioned it to Tommy. That's one thing I've been doing a lot during the pandemic. My son, Corbyn, you know, Corbin, and I've been playing a lot of chess.

Like the boards just set up and, you know, once every three, four, you know, one, you know, one, you know, or five days. He'll be, you want to play? And I'm like, yeah, let's do it. And so, you know, um, neither one of us would, would be, would be considered to be a chess master. Um, but, uh, oh, I don't even know if we can say that anymore. Uh, we may have to come up with a new new way to describe somebody who's expert in chess, but, uh, I loved chess as a young person and then didn't play for much of my adult life, but I'm sort of back into it. Um, it's a better time, it's a better way to waste time than some of the other things you could do. All right, well, I'm glad you're well. I hope your wife tests negative.

And if she doesn't, let me know, and you should go get the test anyway. Oh, yeah, if she tests positive, I'll be going to get the test pretty much immediately. All right, well, I hope she feels better. Yeah. All right, I'll talk to you a little bit later or tomorrow. Sounds good. All right, we're done for the day. Good to catch up with Aaron.

So many of you have been asking how Aaron's doing. And you want to hear Aaron back on the show. Well, we just did an hour together, which was great. And hopefully soon he'll be back here in studio with me every day. All right, we are done. Tommy and I tomorrow and then just giving everybody a heads up. I am on vacation starting on Friday. There's a chance I might do a show Friday, especially if there's big news,

but I am gone. next week. If there's a big breaking news story or sports story, you know, I'll have the ability to do a podcast, but more likely than not, I think it's going to be a continuation of not much in the way of big sports news. Don't forget, you can listen to me on the Team 980 and on the Team 980 app, the Team 980.com. Cooley was on with me today for an hour and a half. Cooley weighed in on Robert Griffin the 3rd, you know, claiming, making that statement to John Kime about Santana Moss and Cooley betraying him. Cooley had great stories about Joe Bugal and playing for Joe Bugal.

So that's available on the Team 980.com and the Team 980 app. He was on with me this morning for an hour and a half. We had a great time catching up and talking about a lot of different things. All right, have a great day, everybody. Tommy and I will be back together tomorrow.