The Kevin Sheehan Show - The Rodgers Ruse

Episode Date: November 4, 2021

Kevin and Thom today on the Aaron Rodgers-Covid situation. The guys talked plenty about the Washington Football Team and also discussed Kevin's guest appearance tonight at Thom's sports journalism class at Georgetown. Some Wizards and World Series too.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Chean Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here today. I am here today. It's not going to be a long show today because I have a commitment.

I have two commitments today that are not work-related. One, I'm not going to share with you. Two, I'm going to be finally, after I don't know how many years, a guest in Tommy's Georgetown journalism class. You've never invited me before. You invited me for tonight, November 4th. I'm really excited to come and have a conversation with your students, who, by the way, I've already heard from one of your students,

who happens to be, his name is Jalen. Jalen actually participates and helps us with this podcast because he works for the athletic. And I really like Jalen a lot. And you told me the other night that Jalen's one of your better students. Yes, he's a very sharp young man. It's going to go far in this business, whatever this business is. Whatever this business is. Have you tried to talk people out of trying to get into this business? Well, I don't know what to tell them because I don't even know what it looks like today in a way. You know, I mean, you know, I can't even compare my experiences because they're not even remotely close to what they deal with today.

I used to, not that far ago, far back. I used to look in the want ads just for curiosity and say, I could do that job, I could do that job, I could do that job, I could do that job. I look at them now and I say I can't do any of those jobs. And those are jobs in my business. Why? Because they're so technologically oriented? Yeah.

They require, like, yeah, like in a newsroom these days, you have to know how to be computer savvy in a lot of different programs, graphic programs, for instance. And I have no clue how to do that. I know enough, when it comes to technology, I know just enough to slide by. Yeah. And it's usually a rough slide. Yeah, remember. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, remember the scene where, from our favorite show, The Office,

where Michael and Pam and Oscar are all at the high school for the job fair. And then towards the end of the show, Pam walks over to some other booth to see what kind of jobs they have available. And that was after Michael made her go all the way. way back to the office to get a clean sheet of papers of some stock level. And then Pam starts asking the guy about the job. And he's like, well, do you know this program? No, I don't know that program. What about this program? No, I don't. You know, and by the way, she's much younger than you are in that particular setting. So she didn't know any of those programs, which meant, unfortunately for her, she had to keep working at Dunder Mifflin. But she was advised, if you recall, that, you know,

if she really wanted to pursue her art, that, you know, Philadelphia or New York would be better options than Scranton. Yes. This is Scranton. Scranton, the home of leaders of this country, I might want to point out. If that's what you want to call them. You know, Scranton is a remarkable political city. I imagine. A lot of the governors, some of the governors of the governors of people.

Pennsylvania attorney generals have come from Scranton. It's given birth to a lot of politicians. In fact, two of the three attorney generals, Pennsylvania Attorney Generals from Scranton, have gotten to jail. I just might want to point out. So Scranton is a big political town. That's a good thing they didn't have a sit-down dinner with a seating chart and a very scrappy reporter asked to cover it.

Yes, yes, that happened in Wilkeshire. It's Sister City right down the road. You know, you mentioned the office, and I've undergone a revival of late, because not that it was hard to find before, but now Comedy Central is showing reruns of Seinfeld. Yeah, oh, my God, I've been watching some of them. It's just so good. And, I mean, you know, there was some wavering before

as to if the office better than Seinfeld, it's not. Seinfeld is still better. I think it is, but I totally understand where you're coming from because as Comedy Central has put Seinfeld back on, and by the way, replacing some of the time slots of the office. So they sort of run, I think, you know, Seinfeld's on and then the office follows. And I don't know. I mean, look, the office is available on P.

And I have Peacock. And you certainly could be watching Seinfeld in other ways. But sometimes you're just in front of the TV and you feel like, fine, I'll just watch whatever's here on Comedy Central with the commercials, which is pretty stupid. But Seinfeld is so good. And there have been some episodes here in the last couple nights that, you know, I just find myself still laughing out loud. But I do the same thing with the office, even though I've seen all of those episodes so many times. I do too, but you know, I used to think that maybe

maybe the office was better but now I'm back on top with Seinfeld. I mean, look, it's it's a coin flip in some ways between the two. Yeah, they were what was the episode the other night that was on

that just is laugh out loud funny. It was like season five or season six the the Dormand episode. That is... Oh, yeah. With Larry Miller, the comedian.

That is so funny. And the couch. Yeah. The couch that gets stolen out of the lobby. Just brilliant. Anyway, I didn't... It really is. And Kramer is such a great character. I mean, such an unbelievable character. Yeah. In the same way, Dwight is an unbelievable character. Sort of, you know, similar roles. But Kramer, there are just moments where he will, you know, he'll come in, stumbling into Jerry's apartment.

And it's just, it's physical comedy as much as it is anything else, you know, with him. Yeah, with him. You know, I've watched outtakes of Seinfeld over the years. And there's one scene where Kramer starts a smoking lounge in his apartment. Yeah. Because nobody's allowed to smoke anywhere, and he's smoking cigars and stuff like that. And after a couple of days, he comes into Jerry's apartment, and his face is all craggly. Yeah.

And, I mean, he looks like, you know, Jerry says, your face looks like a catcher's man. Right. You know? And Kramer says, look away. I'm hideous. Yeah. In the outtake, I'm hideous, yeah. Yes.

They must have, they must have had to film that 30 times. Yeah, because the way he shakes. Because Seychel couldn't stop laughing. Right. He couldn't stop laughing over it. Well, I have not spent a lot of time over the years watching the bloopers or, you know, the bloopers from that show. I have seen all of the bloopers and the extra scenes that never made episodes of the office. I have seen that.

And the bloopers are hysterical. The bloopers are in particular, are so funny between Jim Michael and Dwight. You know, any combination of the three, if not all three of them. Those are the best bloopers from the show, but I don't know if you've ever gone and watched the office bloopers, but they're outstanding. I watch one more, one more Seinfeld blooper, where they couldn't film it because they were laughing so hard. It's the episode where George and his girlfriend wind up getting arrested and are at the police station, and his dad has to come pick him up, and Elaine, whose friends with the girlfriend, comes to pick her. and then Elaine and Frank

Costanza get into an argument in the police station and Frank says you want a piece of me? Yeah. What a bright character. They had to film that so much. They just laughed so much during that. I mean, I just love the show. And you know the show, Seinfeld,

I've told you this before, but being a fissionado of this, it's real important to me. Seinfeld is based on the old Abedon and Costello TV show. It is? Larry David has said this. The whole rhythm of people coming in and at the apartment, this group of characters, it's based on Abedin and Costello and Mike the cop and Hillary Brooke

and Sidney Fields, the landlord. In fact, there's an episode of Seinfeld where they're trying to, to, as if they're volunteering to take care of senior citizens, and the senior citizen that George has, his name is Sidney Fields. Oh, really? And that's an homage to Abin de Costello, who had a Sidney Field's character. But yeah, the rhythm of the show is based on the old 50s, Abinacostello show. I don't remember, obviously, any of those shows.

I've heard of them, of course, Abbott and Costello and Laurel and Hardy. and what would be the other, you know, tandem comedic pairings of those days? Well, comedic, those were two comedic pairings. There were other smaller ones, you know, but there were the Marks Brothers. Larry Moe-C. Fields. I call it the Larry Moe. I call it the five food groups of comedy. W.C. Fields, Mark's brothers, Abbottes Costell, Lauren Hardy, and three students.

By the way, is Jerry Stiller still alive? Didn't he pass away recently? I think he did. Yeah. I think he did. I remember watching Stiller and Mira, their husband-wife comedy team on the Ed Sullivan show. Jerry Stiller did pass away. Yeah, he passed away recently.

It was in May of 2020. So it was just over a year ago. God, he was a brilliant character. Yes, he was. Okay. He wasn't the original father. Right. There was another actor who was the original father of George.

He didn't last long, whoever it was. Right. It was, oh, no, no, no. I'm thinking of the guy that played Steinbrunner. Yeah. Right, whoever that was. Yeah. Hey, so back to tonight.

What do you need me to do tonight? Okay. Well, I need you to be better than you usually are on the podcast. Okay. Yeah. All right. I'll try harder. Okay, because this is an academic setting here, and it's not just an academic setting. I mean, I know you're used to Maryland academics, but this is Georgetown. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. And so it's a step up. You know, this is a major league. It's a four-year school. Yes, yes, it is. Yeah, so I just need, we're in the process right now. The course is called the Business of Sports Media, and it talks about the impact on sports media has on the business of sports,

the different jobs that are available in sports media. You know, we've done things like we've had speakers who work behind the scenes and production trucks who do TV sports programming. And right now we're in a stretch where we're studying sports gambling and the impact of sports betting on sports media. Because as you've seen, I think it was just recently where these sports media companies now, these gambling companies like bar school, these sports media companies, I mean the gambling companies are buying sports media properties.

You know, supposedly Barstool and somebody else are bidding to buy the athletic. You know, so there's this, the sports betting companies are very much going to be in the sports media business in the future. So, I mean, for students who probably have had very little introduction to sports betting, we're actually engaging in a four or five-week sports betting contest where they're picking. games and see who does the best with an imaginary account. And so we did the first way, and the professors myself and Marty Conway, who you'll meet tonight, and who's the brains behind the course, obviously, it's not me. You know, we both participate as well, and the first week I lost four out of my first

five games. You know, you start out with a thousand-dollar account, and I'm already done. down like a couple hundred bucks. Is anybody doing really well? I don't know. I haven't seen yet as to how they're doing. We'll find out Thursday night the other students were doing. I haven't had a chance to check.

Marty did well. Marty did, I think, on all of his bets. And I almost kicked all of them, all but one. I had Penn State, in Penn State, Ohio State. Well, that was a word. their point spread was like 17 and a half points or something like that. Yeah, you want. So we're doing that right now.

Okay. So, I mean, you need to talk about your experiences with sports betting, how you think sports betting is going to change, whether a lot or a little, the business of sports. And, you know, the phenomenon of bookmaking and offshore sports betting, these are all, These are concepts that they've only heard about on TV shows and heard other people talk about. Okay. And there's a statute of limitations on some of the things that I participated in years ago, so I don't think I can get in trouble if I disclose some of this stuff. Like I told you before, everything is off the record.

So nobody's going to be ratting on you. Yeah. Am I the first person in local sports media that you've invited? to address your class. No. You're not. I'm not. Who else have you had?

You're the first person in sports talk radio. Who else have you had? Well, a couple years ago, we had Dan Steinberg in there. Okay. I can understand why. Okay. Yeah. Right.

Anybody else? And we did a session once with, I did a session called women in sports, where we had three women in. including Amanda Comac, who used to cover the Nationals for the Washington Times and became their PR person. Right. And two other women who were involved in sports media. And that's it, I think. Okay.

I'm honored. I'm honored. It's a small class. I'm honored. This is going to be done via Zoom. And I offered to come because I now live just a few minutes away from. Georgetown's campus, but you said that you're not doing it there. You do it somewhere else. So I will take up your offer to do it via Zoom and I will try to make you proud tonight. I can certainly

talk about gambling. That's for sure. When it comes to sports gambling, it's a subject that I would consider myself to be borderline expertise on. That's why we're having you in. And consider your audience to be like totally ignorant of the subject. Okay. So everything you tell them will be something that they didn't know before. Okay. All right, let's get to some topics here today. And I think we have to start with Aaron Rogers.

By the way, you know, Montes Sweat broke his jaw in the game on Sunday, four to six weeks minimum for Montes Sweat. The injury is starting to pile up on this Washington team, which is going nowhere. We'll get to some Washington football team discussion. in our second segment. But we'll start with what it is. You know, that's going to, that broken straw is going to slow down their march, him and Chase Young's march to the sack record.

I might want to point that. I think that's going to be. That's going to put a big crimp in that. It should. It should. Where are they? What are they combined sacks? Three?

Four? I think so. Well, I know Chase Young has one this year. Chase Young, I think, actually, has two, technically. Sacks. John Allen's got six. Sweets. got four. Paine's got two. Chase Young officially with one and a half sacks through eight games.

Wow. So they're a little slow behind Dexter and Charles, man. Just a little bit. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers, I think most of you know, tested positive for COVID-19 yesterday. He is out from the Sunday game. It's funny Tommy, right when I saw it, I saw that they had ruled him out. You knew then, if you've been following this, you knew then that he wasn't vaccinated. Because just last week, Devante Adams tested positive. And they said, if he can post two negative tests within a 24-hour period before the game, he will be able to play, which meant he was unvaccinated.

But if you are vaccinated, you are quarantined for 10 days minimum. And that is, by the way, you can't... If you're unvaccinated, you're quarantine. That's what I meant. If you're unvaccinated, you're quarantine for 10 days minimum, asymptomatic or symptomatic. And to come back, you're going to have to produce a negative test, and you have to be asymptomatic.

I think most of you know now that Aaron Rogers is out, and he's out for Sunday because he is not vaccinated. The earliest he will be able to come back would be the day before their matchup next. week, not this coming weekend, but next week against Seattle. But the big controversy comes from Aaron Rogers' press conference in August, where he told a reporter who asked him if he had been vaccinated, he said, yeah, I've been immunized. And then went on in this kind of lengthy discussion about, you know, all of the talk and how he does not judge anybody who hasn't been vaccinated, you know, a, you know, a, a, you know, a, your body, your choice situation, when he himself knew that he was not vaccinated. Now, it got a little bit confusing at times yesterday if you were following it, you know,

blow by blow in terms of the story, because Aaron Rogers went for some sort of homeopathic alternative medicine thing to deal with not getting the vaccination, which people then said, well, that's why he said he was immunized. However, Rob Domofsky, who covers the Packers for ESPN, said that while Rogers pursued an alternative treatment, the NFL did not recognize that treatment as a vaccination. And by the way, let me just quickly before you get started and I get started on our reactions. There was something that came out and I cut and paste this, and I think I did it from the Pellasaro story. It could have been the Kevin Seiford story on ESPN. So the NFL and the NFLPA reached an agreement, Tommy, on the definition of being fully vaccinated.

Obviously, fully vaccinated, as we all know, would be if you got the two shots of the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccine, and then 14 days after you're considered to be fully vaccinated. Or if you got the one shot Johnson and Johnson vaccine, 14 days after that, you're considered to be fully vaccinated. I think everybody kind of understands that, right? Yes. Okay. They should. Did you know that there was a third way that in the NFL you could be considered to be fully vaccinated?

I didn't know that. Here's how you could be considered fully vaccinated without getting two Pfizer or two Moderna shots or one Johnson and Johnson shot. If you got one shot of any of the two shot vaccines, the Pfizer or the Moderna, but didn't get the second shot, but tested positive for COVID after you got the first shot and then had an antibody level at a certain level. And I can read you the numbers, but I don't think they're going to mean anything to anybody. There's also some sort of COVID-IG nucleocapsid protein that would have to be present as well.

So essentially, if you got one shot of the Pfizer or Moderna and then tested positive for COVID, and you had a certain level of antibodies in your system from the combination of one shot and from having COVID, you would be considered fully vaccinated. I thought that was interesting because I didn't know that. Yeah. And those would be probably very rare cases. Most people, if they got the one vaccine, there's, what, a three or four week period before they'd have to get the second? So you would have to contract COVID.

Sometimes it's four to five. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you'd have to thread the needle, but it's not impossible that you could test positive for COVID. No, it's not. I didn't say it was impossible. I just said it'd be very rare. Let me make sure that I'm clear on what you're saying, because I think I do know what you're saying. You're saying that it would just be a long shot that they would get COVID within that four-week period before they got the second shot.

Not that one shot of the vaccine means that it's such a super long shot that you could COVID. It is, it is a long shot, but it's a long shot if you're not vaccinated. But anyway, so the bottom line here is, you know, as this is all shaken out here, over the last, you know, 24 hours now. Aaron Rogers publicly stated that he was immunized, which was certainly misleading at the very least, and a flat out lie from him, which I believe it to have been,

because I think he's too smart to know, you know, too smart to think that somehow he was confused about this. He wasn't vaccinated. and furthermore, during the process of not being a vaccinated NFL player, he was not clearly following the protocols that the NFL had set up for unvaccinated players. There are too many shots of him in the facility without a mask, video of him, you know, breaking protocol rules. So, you know, for him, it's a good thing that he's a great court. quarterback, because he must be some kind of asshole.

He must be some kind of asshole to have pulled this off and to be so obnoxious about this. Well, he didn't pull it off. And he almost pulled it off. I mean, you know, if I was a reporter covering that team, I'm not going to criticize him because I'm not saying I would have done any better, but I kind of feel like a dope right now not recognizing his nuanced response to that question and paying attention to it at the time.

I wonder if anybody did. I mean, nobody wrote about that, but I wonder if anybody listened to that response and said, hmm, he didn't say vaccinated. Right. You know, I don't think I would have. I think it just, I just would have, you know, immunized vaccinate. I wouldn't have given it a second. I don't want to give myself any more credit than any of those other guys did.

but I feel a little bit sheepish now if that was me. I haven't picked it up. So I think he lied. I think unlike, you know, Kirk Cousins and others that were not vaccinated and stood up and said, no, I'm not vaccinated. By the way, Kirk Cousins and many of his pressers has also been without a mask. on during these things, which have led people recently to believe that maybe he did get vaccinated. I have no idea.

And I don't know if this issue will bring it up for the players who are unvaccinated that haven't been fully masked all the time. I think Chase Young and Montez Sweat have been fully masked when seen in areas that they should be fully masked in. Anyway, I'm not going to go to the lens that you're going to go, which is to call him an asshole. I'll just call him a liar. I think he genuinely didn't want to answer the question.

also didn't want to be perceived as an unvaccinated player and have to follow the protocols. And so, you know, he just figured he'd get away with it and the odds that he'd get COVID and be exposed on this were slim and none, as they are for most people, vaccinated or unvaccinated. So he didn't get away with it. But there are a couple of things here. Number one is, you know, teams have been fined a lot of money and teams have lost draft choices for not enforcing. these protocols. The Packers had to know. The Raiders, for instance. The Raiders, the Ravens did, the Titans did, the Patriots did. The Ravens lost a draft choice. Is that what you were saying?

Yeah. The Ravens. The Raiders. So it's to be seen what the NFL might do with Aaron Rogers as it relates to this. But the team knew that he wasn't vaccinated because they have to provide those results to the league. You know, as of October 21st, 94.5% of the league's players were vaccinated. That's an amazing number. You know, it's way ahead of the general population number. The league's actually done a phenomenal job, whether you want to call it pressuring, influencing whatever, and getting almost all of their teams fully vaccinated. 30 of the 32 teams are 95% plus vaccination rates on their team and staff. Now, it was mandated for staff. It was not mandated for players, but still, 94.5% for players is incredible. I never thought back in whenever April or May that they would get to that

number, but they have. But the league and the team over the last eight weeks of this season, they both knew that he wasn't vaccinated and that he wasn't following protocol. And so they waited until he tested positive to do something about it? Yeah. No, you're right. I mean, part of this is on them. I mean, CD Lamb, Tommy, has been fined over $50,000 for uniform infractions, like having his shirt untucked.

And Aaron Rogers was breaking protocol with both the team. Mark Murphy, by the way, Mark Murphy absolutely knew he wasn't vaccinated, even with that immunized line in August. The league knew, and they didn't do anything about it. I mean, how does the league go back and find the team and penalize and punish the team now when they've known about it all along as well? That's the part of that I'm not. Excellent points.

I'm not. Excellent points. You know, I mean, they had to have known this. somebody in the headquarters had to have recognized this and just let it slide. So let me make the point that you won't think is an excellent point. But I've said this to you before, I'm pretty sure. I just don't know why at this point the league is testing. I don't think it should test.

And I know people will say, well, there could be a new variant. And, you know, okay, well, most companies where workers are back in the office aren't testing. You know, not every company mandates vaccines. Even the companies that mandate vaccines provide proof that you're vaccinated, but they're not testing. Okay, companies that don't mandate vaccines aren't testing. Some are, but most aren't. And you know why? Because it's very expensive to do that.

And I'm not suggesting that the NFL can't afford to test. But this is an atmosphere of very young people who are not. 94.5% vaccinated in terms of their rate. Everybody on their staff, everybody with underlying conditions, everybody of a certain age is vaccinated because that is mandated. Why are they testing? Well, haven't they had people come up test positive who were vaccinated? Of course.

So? Well, how would they know that? Why do they need to know that? if you're vaccinated and you have it and you learn that you have it because you have symptoms, then you stay home from work. But if everybody else is vaccinated, we already know that the benefit of the vaccination is it increases significantly, or I'm sorry, decreases significantly your chance of getting it, but it doesn't eliminate that possibility because there are 95% efficacy rates for the Moderna and the Pfizer.

and, you know, the J&J is much lower. But what it really does is it pretty much ensures that if you do test positive, you're not going to be hospitalized. So if you're trying to protect the 5.5% people who aren't vaccinated in the building that are all young, that are all almost assuredly not going to get sick if they get it, that's their problem. They chose not to get vaccinated. protect the older people in the building.

They're vaccinated. It's mandated. Why are they testing? I know what the answer is. It's that, well, we have all of these variants. You know, there's now the Mexican variant. Before that, there was the Delta variant. We don't know how they're going to react.

Okay, so what are we going to do? Like, most companies aren't testing their workers as they're walking in the door every day. I know that. I know. Look, I don't particularly care one way or the other about the testing. I don't know why you care so much about it either. Well, because Aaron Rogers isn't going to play against the Chiefs. And if they weren't testing, he'd be playing against the Chiefs. I'd much rather have them mandate vaccines.

And if you don't get vaccinated, you don't play. I'd be fine with that. The testing at this point, with 94 and a half, and every single person with an underlying condition or of a certain age being vaccinated, I just, it's, they're, they're one, they're, they're, they're in the minority of companies of private businesses that are testing. And by the way, they're, I don't know if they're in the minority, but they're certainly one of the bigger, well-known businesses that isn't mandating.

Whatever. Yes. I mean, I don't get that worked up over it. I'm fine with them testing. And, you know, what the result of it is, since everyone knows their testing, all the players know they're testing, is that Aaron Rogers, you know, it wouldn't it be ironic if they put Jordan Love out there, and he performs great? Yeah, I mean, I guess.

I mean, you had the guy who Aaron Rogers versus Patrick Mahomes Sunday. in the prime afternoon matchup, and now you don't, and you would have had it if you didn't test. And if he had walked in there as an unvaccinated player with COVID, there could have been an outbreak. And, you know, it would have been on the team because they didn't get him vaccinated. And that's why I say maybe the ultimate solution here is to mandate vaccines. And then if you mandated them, you shouldn't test, in my opinion. But anyway, the point I guess I'm making is, as a football fan, I would have preferred that Aaron Rogers played on Sunday for the Packers as an asymptomatic, unvaccinated COVID-19 positive tester.

Because everybody around them, for the most part, is vaccinated. And, you know, if it causes an outbreak, well, then the team pays the price of, but the only outbreak would be, the only way you'd recognize an outbreak is by testing. I just, there are too many places and too many of you that are listening that are going into work every day and nobody's sitting there and testing you as you go in every day. You may be in a workplace that is mandated that you be vaccinated to work there, but a lot of places aren't mandating that you're vaccinated. And, and, you know, you have to show, you know, periodically your card and where it's dated and who knows. They may require that you get a booster shot 180 days after your original vaccination. By the way, did I tell you I got a booster shot? No, I haven't gotten mine yet.

I'm scheduled to get mine on Monday. I thought you already got your booster shot. No, I have not gotten a booster shot yet. Well, let me just tell you what happened. I was walking in CVS to pick up a prescription. The pharmacist was there, and I saw somebody getting a shot over to the side. And I said, are you guys doing booster shots yet? And she said, yeah.

I said, oh. She goes, you want one? And I said, I don't know. Am I eligible for one? She said, well, when did you get vaccinated? And I said, I think it was in March or April. I think it was April. She said, yeah, it's been more than 180 days.

Which one did you get? The Pfizer. She goes, yeah, I can come over here right now. You got to go get your card. I got to see your card. But we can get you a booster shot right now. And so I just did it. By the way, I did not have one reaction to the original one.

Tommy on Saturday, because I did it on Friday evening or whatever, I think it was. I couldn't lift my left arm Saturday and most of the day Sunday. And I was really like foggy, like feeling, you know, borderline like hung over. You mean more than typically foggy? Yeah, more than typical. More than typical. And I was feeling a little bit. And then the next day I felt fine.

Totally fine. Well, how did you react when you got your flu shot? I've never gotten a flu shot. I've told you that before. I know. I'm just trying to. Yeah, am I off, am I off your list because I haven't gotten a flu shot? Oh, no, you're on the dummy list.

You're not on the, you know, you're not on the criminal list. I've never gotten a flu shot before, in part, knock on wood, because I've never really, I haven't got, I mean, I haven't gotten the flu in years. However, I will tell you that the last year, year and a half, certainly has made me rethink. The flu shot. Have you gotten your flu shot for this year? Yes, I have. I have gotten my flu shot. I've never had a reaction to any vaccine or shot I've ever gotten. The first two COVID shots I got, I had zero reaction whatsoever. So I'm hoping that the booster on Monday will go smoothly. Yeah, what took you so long to get the booster? You may not right now technically be vaccinated. Because you're much more than 180 days since you're two shots.

Yeah, I had my last shot. You know, seriously, you're acting like an asshole. You're acting like an asshole. I mean, at your age and in your condition, and with the responsibilities that you have, as not only a husband, father, but podcast co-host, you're selfish for waiting more than 180 days to get your booster. Oh, bullshit. The earliest. It was.

When did you get vaccinated? It was like, it was literally almost like when the first opportunities came out. You were, it was like January or February of last year, right? Yeah, I got my second shot at the end of February. Right. So you are coming up on nine months from when you got vaccinated. That's irresponsible on your part. For somebody that's been pontificating and lecturing the way you,

have. That is, that's quite remarkable. Okay. Let me just point out that the boosters, you know, for Moderna, were not available until recently. What, how recently? Like in the last, last couple weeks. Okay. Well, why weren't, you should, you should have been first on the list. Well, I, I went to, uh, I went online to CBS to schedule, uh, uh, a booster. And the best I could get nearby was, uh, Monday, November. 8. Okay. Last thing before we get to some sports talk, I just wanted to...

So there. I just wanted to say... Bubba. I just wanted to say to the waiter last night at Imperfecto, which is a really good new restaurant in D.C. was down there last night. The waiter was a big fan of the show, and he specifically said to me as I walked out, he said, how's Tom doing and what's he really like? I do get that a lot.

And I said he's doing great. Because I should be more specific. He listens to the radio show a lot more than he listens to the podcast. And I said, you know that he's on my podcast. He goes, I do. I just don't have a chance to listen to that as much as I do the radio show in the morning. But I was always a big fan of you and Tommy together on. radio. And I said he's doing great and he's not nearly, nearly the kind of first-rate prick he

appears to be when you get to know him. No, I didn't say that. I've told you before the thing I hear the most from people who meet me. And they say, well, you're not, you're not as mean as you seem to be when you meet you. I get that all the time. Not only is he not what he sort of acts out, and it's not an act, it's how you really feel, but he's a very lovable person as well. And he's a really good person, and he's fun to hang out with. So for those of you that say he isn't, you're wrong. And for those of you that tell him that he shouldn't be hanging out with me,

you're probably right about that one. When we come back, when we come back, I do want to talk a little Washington football team. here at the bye week with you. I've got a couple of questions for you and I think you have one for me. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast. Doesn't cost you thing really helps us. I do know that a lot of you, most of you, who listen on a daily basis, have not subscribed. And I know that maybe you think like it's just going to keep getting downloaded and you're not going to listen to every single show. Just know it really does help us and it doesn't.

cost you a thing. Many of you have done it, so I do appreciate all of those who have done it recently. And again, wherever applicable, if you can rate us and review us, that really helps as well. So yesterday on the show, Tommy, was the conversation about the story from CBS Sports.com's Chris Trapaso, who reported before the trade deadline on Tuesday that, Washington and Buffalo were in conversations about a trade for Mitch Trubisky. I didn't even ask you before we started recording this. A, did you see that? And B, what is your reaction to it?

Okay, my first reaction, and it still remains, no one else reported that. Right. I mean, people picked that up and ran with it. Well, because it's because it's Trapaso. He's a real reporter. It's not the guy, you know, from, oh, fuck, I forget the, not pro football focus. It's one of the ones that sounds like pro football focus. Chris Trapaso has been a long-time reporter at CBSSports.com, covers the league, covers the draft for them.

And by the way, remember, it's not the first time Tribisky and Washington have been linked in reports. But go ahead. I just thought it was unusual that nobody else who covers the bills seem to run to confirm. that or report that? Nobody denied it. No, no one denied it. No one denied it. You're right. That's a point. And even if they did deny it, it really doesn't matter. Right. I mean, you know, even if it was true. But if they had denied it, you would, the fact that they didn't deny it or no one else, no other reporter said, uh, that's not true. Because you get that sometimes too. You know, you'll get one of the bigwigs that'll say, I'm not hearing anything about that. My sources tell me that this was not.

You know, you didn't get any of that from Rappaport or Schaefter or anybody else. So go ahead. Okay. Okay. Okay. You know, another backup quarterback. That's who he is. Okay.

But what is it? I mean, they have three backup quarterbacks as it is on the roster. You know, why do they need another backup quarterback? Why would, I mean, people would get excited about anybody pretty much. Imagine, imagine the fans. base if Cam Newton came here. What fan base? They just be beside. Well, that's true.

Okay. The limited fan base if Cam Newton came here, people would think, well, this is just, here we go. No, they wouldn't. Okay, we're in business now. No, they wouldn't. I think a lot would. I don't. I wouldn't feel that way. I don't. I know you wouldn't feel that way. And by the way, I used to be a Cam Newton fan. But Cam Newton was horrible last year the last time we saw him. horrible. No, we haven't seen Cam Newton play good football in a long time. I agree with you.

I wouldn't want Cam Newton at this point, but there's an obsession with Cam Newton, not just with this franchise, but with every team fan base, I think, that needs a quarterback. They always say, well, why aren't we bringing in Cam Newton? Why isn't anyone call him Cam Newton? I think people would be more excited about Cam Newton than Mitch Tribiskey. I don't think either one makes a difference. So, I mean, the Mitch Tribesky talk, I mean, I don't know why they would try. Again, they have Mitch Tribiskees. They have one starting a quarterback now. They have the other one coming back from an injury. They have the other one sitting on the bench that Ron Rivera traded for. They don't need a fourth one.

So I have a slightly different opinion than I had yesterday. not that I have changed my mind about Mitch Trubisky being a potential long-term answer. I don't believe that he is. But I do think Mitch Trubisky would be an upgrade over what they have right now. I do think Mitch Trubisky, and he didn't get this opportunity in the offseason, and I do understand that. I do think that Mitch Trubisky's had enough, he's had enough moments as a starting quarterback in the NFL that, you know, there are teams that potentially, if they were really in a bind,

would rather have Mitch Trubisky start a game for them than Taylor Heineke or Kyle Allen. But I don't think he's the answer. You know, he quarterbacked last year in Chicago and had some pretty damn good games as the Bears made it to the postseason. And then he had a moment in that game that, that, that, When on a fourth and one, he decided that he'd run out of bounds instead of stick his head and try to make it in a big spot. And they ended up, you know, turning the ball over on downs. That said something to me about him. Unless, I remember saying in the moment, unless somehow I find out that he's like really injured or really ill or something.

But we never did hear that. But I do think that he is an upgrade over what they have. but he's not the long-term answer in my opinion. But I do like that they have made it very clear through their actions, both in the off-season with the attempt to trade for Matt Stafford. And if this is true, already thinking about we got to bring some guys in here and we got to start finding, taking some swings. And we liked Trubisky in the off-season.

We decided, you know, for whatever reason, the price was too high for him to be a starter. I mean, Buffalo signed him for two and a half million to be a backup. You probably could have signed him for two and a half million and said you've got to compete with Kyle Allen and with Taylor Heineke. But I think it is an indication that they are going to be very, very busy on the quarterback front. I hope they are more than just busy. I hope that they are very aggressive on the quarterback front between, you know, the end of this season, which is going to end very poorly and the NFL draft? I think they will be.

I think, I mean, I think it'll be obvious to everyone by the end of the year, and there'll be a lot of pressure to be including from the owner. I'm sure the owner will be, you know, being some pressure on personnel. You know, I want my quarterback, whoever that may be. So, yeah, I mean, it doesn't take a genius to see that there, there's a big question mark, a quarterback, there's just no obvious answer. Right. Or not even, there's no oblivious answer.

No, there's no answer. There's no answer in sight. But, you know, a lot of times there's no answers in sight, and then all of a sudden, oh, my God, Justin Herbert's, Justin Herbert's really good. Yeah. Even we, even we who drafted him didn't see this coming. Yeah, yeah. So, that's what you have done for.

That's still the swing that has the most potential, you know, for them at this point. Because, you know, if Aaron Rogers, the unvaccinated weasel isn't available, and he won't be because he's not coming to Washington. And maybe Matt Ryan, I still think, is going to be available next year in the offseason in trades. but, you know, I mean, he's 37 years old, I think, already. But Matt Ryan would certainly be an option. But I got to think, I mean, again, it's hard to imagine somebody in their right mind saying, yeah, I'll put Washington on the list of teams I'll go to. Isn't it?

Oh, of course. I mean, that's going to be one of the bigger issues. They don't, they're not competing for, uh, franchise quarterback on a level ground with the other 31 franchises. First of all, you could make the- No one's going to look at the weapons that Washington has here and say, wow, I can't wait to throw passes to those guys. Right.

Yeah, I think that, you know, it's the same thing we've said a lot for many years about just even the coach. And they did, you know, they did land on Ron Rivera for better or for worse, I think for better compared to what they could have gotten. But whatever. that's not the conversation right now. I think that their path to a franchise quarterback or a chance at a franchise quarterback

has to be the draft because players who get drafted don't have a choice. And so, you know, you're not, you know, if Russell Wilson or, you know, I've been reading a lot about the Eagles in Russell Wilson. I don't know where Russell Wilson. If I were Seattle, I'd never trade Russell Wilson for starters. It's just like when we were having this Deshawn Watson conversation,

I'm like, why would Houston ever trade Deshawn Watson? Do you know how hard it is to find these people? And they have one. And by the way, he just signed a long-term deal. And, you know, that would be actually, the truth is, in addition to the draft, there's one possibility, you know, in terms of a true elite franchise quarterback. And that would be Deshaun Watson. And it would be one of those situations where if he's cleared, if he settles, if he's not going to jail, if he's not going to be suspended for. five years and it's only one year or it's only half a season. And, you know, the, the trade,

the no trade clause that he has, there aren't enough teams interested. They just don't want to take on the PR risk or any other risk. Well, Washington could land him that way. And then, you know, for everybody that says, this is the one franchise that couldn't do it, I understand what you're saying from a PR standpoint, but also understand that there's really not much lower. I mean, how much lower can they go? Well, fuck, Kevin. They've gone lower this year than they've been before.

I know. So there's always room. But what is going lower even mean at this point? It's not like they're going to, so we're going to lose the other 20,000 that are coming to the games. I mean, the risk of going lower. There's a cumulative effect. Yeah, but the risk.

cumulative effect of being the target of abuse and criticism for years. It's a cumulative effect. Publicly in the organization, attracting people to work for you, it all piles up. Even if it's the same level, it's adding on to the pile. I mean, if you're in a fight and you're in a 10th round, and you get hit just as hard as you got hit in the ninth round, well, you've been taking those punches the whole fight. It's going to hurt more, no matter how, if the punch isn't harder or not.

So, I mean, how much lower they can go, every measure of dysfunction is a blow that they can't afford to. Okay, that's fair, but it would be a total risk-reward proposition or just. discussion. It would be the risk is, okay, we can take on more of the cumulative effect and damage our franchise even more and lose even more potential of customers and sponsors and everything else. But the reward is we got our franchise quarterback and now everybody's forgotten what a train wreck of a franchise this is because they just went 12 and 4 in 2022, or 12 and 5, excuse me, and won the division. And they've got one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. And by the way, they gave him a second chance.

They gave him a second chance, and he's proven them right, not just on the field, but he's an upstanding member of the community. He is out there advocating and assisting and attending addiction clinics and seminars to talk about the addiction that he had and how he was able to get rid of it and to become well. and look at this, look at this team all of a sudden with Deshaun Watson. Boy, you need some addiction health. I know. Hey, okay, so if the draft is the key, I'm not saying they should do this, okay?

That's a separate argument. Forget I even said that. This team has two wins this year. Is it possible, and this is something talking football related, not strategy related. Is it possible they don't win another game this year? Yes. And I think a lot of the odds And I think people who still care about the team

might be rooting for that because that way they'll end up with the number one draft. What are the odds? Oh, it's a long shot. They'll win one or two more games. I believe that. But you ask me, is it possible? Of course it's possible.

And I'm not just saying it's possible like anything's possible. They're a bad football team. They're a bad team. And they play in their remaining nine games, they play Tampa, Seattle, Vegas, twice and Philly twice. You can think whatever you want about Philly,

but all those teams are better than them. They are better and they'll be underdogs. Maybe not in the Philly home game late, depending on where Philly is. The Carolina game in two weeks, two weeks from Sunday, they're going to be an underdog in that game on the road. Right now, Carolina is the seventh NFC playoff team

if the season ended today. The Giants on the road to end the year looks like the one game, you know, maybe, but who's going to be interested in that game when you get there? They're going to be next week against Tampa. Yeah, go ahead. The best thing that can happen to this team then, since, and this year is punted.

This year, I mean, in terms of the damage done to the organization, let alone their football, you know, performance, I mean, the damage is done. I mean, you know, so the best. thing that can happen to this team, and I know you hate this, is not to win another game. I don't hate it as much. Did you see the poll that I put out this morning? Yes, I did. I voted on it. Yeah, I voted in your poll.

What were the results? We're still going on, but what are the results at them now? By the way, it was one of those deals, like, you know this and you understand this. There are topics in radio that you do that, you know, you ask for calls. and you get some, but you don't have, you know, the response that you do with other topics. Then there are certain topics when you do them. You could literally, no exaggeration, sit there for six hours and take calls and never see the phone bank with an open line. And that was this morning because I essentially had the conversation, which we've had before,

but really more asking everybody else. and I did a poll, a Twitter poll, which we have to do, sponsored by our good friends at Wind Donation. Buy two get too free, no limit right now until the end of the month. You know, I just said, look, I'm at that point. I've been at this point for a while where I honestly really don't care anymore either way. I'm not rooting super hard for them. I'm not rooting against them, but I do sense that many people are.

and not rooting against them so that they get better draft position, rooting against them because they just despise them so much and they want to see that owner just, you know, they want to see it go even lower until, you know, he decides he can't put up with it anymore. Just somebody asked me this question, do you think he realizes how much he's wrecked this thing and how despised he is?

I don't know that. I think he has gotten a much better sense of it in recent years. I told you about, you know, the source that told me that there was some internal polling with, you know, a favorability rating on him and Bruce. And he was like at a 5% and Bruce was at a 6 and that they were really, really surprised at those results. Dan in particular, because Dan thought everybody was blaming just Bruce because he, you know, ultimately he tried to put it all off on Bruce like he did on Mike and everybody else. It's never their fault. That's part of their problem. And I think that they have lived in this very sheltered delusional, you know, hard.

Harvest Fest, draft day party, you know, out-of-town game rally on Saturday Night World, where they actually think that's reflective of like a meaningful percentage of their fan base. And people like you and me, we've been telling them, telling people in the organization, that's not your fan base, you're losing people. Like so many of my friends years ago gave up their tickets, years ago stopped caring. And, you know, it's been a gradual to now, I can't name one friend of mine that used to have tickets that still has them. No one has them anymore. And most of those people have found things to do that are better.

And by the way, I've mentioned this before, but a very underreported or underdiscussed part of the business story right now for Washington is not just that they've run off most of their season ticket holders and most of the people, you know, the majority of people that used to watch games, they've run off their most profitable fans and customers. and the people that bought tickets in big blocks, the people that owned lots of club seats and suites, if you look at the stadium, where do you see empty seats? The suites are empty and the club seats are empty. Their biggest revenue-generating customers are all gone. As Jim McKay once said, Tommy,

in the 1972 Munich Games on ABC, they're all gone. Was that distasteful? I don't know. Well, most fans won't even, most of the listeners wouldn't even know what you're talking about. Yeah, but some will. So I apologize in using it in that sense, because I certainly am very aware of why he said they're all gone.

It was a very sad, sad day when the hostages in the 72 Olympic Games in Munich were all murdered. That was an awful, awful day. But anyway, they're all gone. in terms of the profitable customers. And I don't know that any of them are coming back. I think they're going to have to develop a new list of big revenue-generating customers, you know, with, you know, a turnaround in the franchise if it ever happens.

But anyway, I ask the question, you know, who's rooting against them now? Who's rooting for them still? And who is kind of where I am now, which is really indifferent, like not really caring, There isn't one loss this year, Tommy, not one. That at the end of it, I was like, damn. Now, one of my sons actually said to me, you say that you don't care as much anymore, but there was like a first down that they didn't get on Sunday.

It was the fourth and one on the opening drive. And I was like, God, and I think I just screamed, God damn, you got to be kidding me. Just get, I think I screamed, just kick the field goal, Ron, something like that. And my son goes, see, occasionally. occasionally it still comes out. But it's very, very infrequent. So people were really passionate. And there were several people who called and tweeted that they have, they're so repulsive to them. And Dan is such a repulsive figure that they now do root against them. But that was not the majority. In fact, that came in last on the poll. Routing against them was 11% as of now. 36.1% said they, are still rooting for them. So basically a little bit more than a third. And 53.1% said that they are where I am, which is they just don't care either way anymore. They're indifferent. So there you go.

That's where, you know, that's a, that's a, that's at 2,500 votes and counting, by the time it's done, it'll have probably 4,000 votes. So it's a decent poll sampling of people who are primarily either identify themselves as current or past Washington football team fans. More than half. Yeah, I think that's a pretty good measure, I think. More than half are apathetic. More than half don't really care that much anymore. They can't generate enough passion to root for them or even root against them,

which is, by the way, and I think I told you this, Tommy. Actually, I'll share this with you after the break, but there's something, there's a conversation that I had with the team president a couple of months ago that I am going to share with everybody. I'm not going to share everything that I've talked to him about over the last couple of months, but I will share this with you right after these words from a few of our sponsors. If you are betting on sports, tread lightly, but if you're betting on sports and you don't have a place to bet on sports, I would recommend MyBooky. Go to MyBooky.ag or MyBooky.com. use my promo code Kevin D.C.

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Want me to just read my bookie ads? I think they'd be thrilled. That was very informative. It was very informative. Okay. All right. So I told you that I would want to reveal something about a conversation that I had with Jason Wright, the team president. And I've had a couple of conversations with him over the last several months.

I think several people in the media have. I think he has reached out to people in the media and is trying to, you know, really gauge what's going on and what has gone on. And anyway, one of the first conversations I had with him, you know, he made the comment. that, you know, we've got an angry fan base. We've got a fan base that's really upset with us. And everybody knows that. And apparently everybody knows that out there. And I said, no, no, they're not angry.

They're not pissed off. Like Tommy and I have been saying for years now, it's worse than that. They're indifferent. They're apathetic. They don't care. That's much worse. And he said, well, that is much worse in business.

And I said, that's where you are. The anger part was like 10 years ago. maybe five years ago, you know, after the winning off the field comments and, you know, a lot of other things that were going on. But now, you know, and this poll kind of reflects it, you know, more than half of, you know, people who have been fans or our fans essentially say they don't care either way, you know, and just a little bit more than a third are still into it, essentially, that they're rooting for them. So it is an incredible challenge for them that he has very, very, very little control over it because he can't, he cannot control the behavior of the people that he

works for. He cannot control whatever Congress decides to do at this point. Remember, today's the deadline for that, Tommy, the deadline where the league was supposed to hand over some stuff to those two Congress people. And, you know, he's got the challenge of trying to build up the business with the team losing. Certainly it would have helped them a lot had the team been six and two versus two and six. But, you know, we even saw early on. Remember the opener and we were thinking, you know, with some of the excitement in the off season. You know, in many ways, Tommy, that opener against the Chargers was more telling than any other game.

They had the paid at 51 and the actual at like 40, 40,000. For an opening game on a beautiful September, you know, Sunday 1 p.m. time slot against a good opponent coming off a playoff season where there was a lot of optimism. As much optimism as there's been. And there were only 42,000 people

there, roughly. Lots of Charger fans. Call it a third were Chargers fans. Some people say more. And then a terrible, remember, John Oran shared this with us, a terrible local TV rating. Yes.

So, that should have been I mean, the biggest red flag of the year. Now, if they don't have people out there to watch Tom Brady and to watch Dallas, those two games, and I'm not talking about Washington fans, but having more people than they've had at those two games, then they're in big trouble. They should have a packed Dallas house on Sunday, December 12th. There should be, I would bet you, by the way, I'm not saying a sold-out game,

but I'm saying if they have 50,000, 55,000, you'll have 35,000, 40,000 Cowboy fans in the crowd. there on that day. That'll be a big, that'll be a big day. Keep this in mind that for Jason Wright and Dan Snyder and Tanya Snyder, thank God they're saying for the Tampa Bay and Dallas home games. Thank God we're going to fill up our stadium with people who want to watch Tom Brady and root for the Buccaneers and then all those cowboy fans that'll be there. And by the way, they're probably at this point rooting for Philadelphia to have a chance at the playoffs on Sunday January second when Philly comes to FedEx Field. Seriously. These are the things they are probably they'd never admit, but they are probably, they really need those things to happen.

What else you got for me? Tell me about the World Series and how upset you are that Dusty didn't get it done. Well, look, I mean, uh, the Astros didn't have the pitching. You know, the Braves had the hitting. The Astros didn't have the pitching to, uh, to to shut the Braves down, and the Braves took advantage of it. It came down as simply as that. And the Braves, you know, we're the hottest team going into the playoffs, as we saw with the Nationals in 2019 and so many other instances. That carries a lot of weight in these playoffs.

The team that's playing the best going into the postseason is usually the toughest out. and the Braves who had a losing record at the All-Star break were certainly playing the hottest team going into the postseason, and they continued to play that way. You know, good for them. Do I think it means anything for the National League east moving forward in terms of a brave dominance? No. I don't think it means anything. I think it's still a division that every year,

is pretty much up for grabs between four teams, three teams now, and the nationals better get their act together, so it's four teams. I mean, right now, the Mets, the Phillies, the Braves next year, we'll all have a shot at that National League East title. Again, I don't think this is the beginning of an era of brave dominance in the National League East. Even though they did it without their best player. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, their roster's going to look different next year.

You know, that doesn't mean they couldn't have been beat in a seven-game series by a different team, a team with good starting pitching, you know, with the Astros did not have available to them. I think, and I didn't really think about this during the World Series, but I was really happy for Freddie Freeman at the end of it. A guy that's been in that organization for so long has been a really good player, and I don't think there was anybody that seemed happier at the end of it. ended that than him. They're going to have to pay him, I think, to keep him, right?

Isn't he a free agent? I think he's a big free agent here. He's a free agent. In the off season. How old is he? 37, something like that? 36. No, he's not that old.

He's not? He's not that old at all, no. Hold on one second, I'll tell you. But, yeah, their roster's going to be different next year in terms of what it looks like. And, you know, I got a comment. I'm running in tomorrow's paper saying that the nationals need to stop thinking about this 2023 target and think about competing next year. He is...

14 years in the organization, so say he came in at 19. He's probably 33, is my guess. Okay. Okay. Whatever. He is... He is... 912-89, so 11, 21, 32.

He's 32. So he's not that old. No, he's not. And he just turned 32. Yeah. Okay. He's going to make some money for some places this year. I don't know if it's going to be in Atlanta or not.

The Wizards lost last night. We got to wrap this up because I'm late for the place where I have to be. Okay. But I did want to mention the Wizards lost last night to Toronto 109 to 100. There was a terrible call in the game. They missed a call on Dinwiddie's Drive, which was clearly goaltending. It was early in the fourth quarter, and it was a big turnaround playing the game. With that said, I didn't think that they played very well.

I didn't watch it live. I watched sort of it later. I didn't think they played very well. I think that in the last couple of games, there hasn't been the same urgency. The ball movement is very, they're a stagnant team offensively too much. I am anxious to see what they're going to look like, though, when Ruey Hotchamura, finally gets back, which I hope he does. But they, I was looking at their,

they have a brutal stretch starting next week where they play basically from, you know, early November, early to mid-November until the end of the year, like 75% of their games on the road. So it's a tough stretch and it'll, you know, by the time we get to end of December, we'll really have an idea of what they are.

record-wise and obviously, you know, qualitatively, just watching them what kind of team they are. But they have like games, multiple games against Miami between now and then. Wilbon told me this morning on the radio show, you can listen to Wilbon. He was great this morning. I woke him up. But he was great.

He thinks the heat are the best team in the NBA. I think they're really good and I think they're so well-coached. But anyway, that's it for the day. I got a roll. Nice job today. And I will talk to you later on. I cannot tell you how excited I am to be a participant in the class that you co-teach with Marty Conway. Me too.

Yeah. And by the way, to be at a real university as well. That's right. I'm really, that was a pretty pretentious kind of statement you made earlier in the show about my alma mater versus the one you teach at, not that you went there. And by the way, old Marty, Marty didn't go there either. I just looked up his resume. He went to Loyola in Baltimore. So we're all tonight pretty much outkicking our coverage tonight, being at Georgetown and being involved in a class.

Anyway, thank you. I will talk to you next week. I outkick my coverage every day. Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt. Liz should be telling you that every day of the week. Have a great day, everybody. I'll be back tomorrow.