The Kevin Sheehan Show - Thom Picks Andy

Episode Date: June 11, 2020

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You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. A Sports Fix Thursday, Tommy, by phone, I'm here. Thanks to Jason Lock and Forra, who joined me yesterday for a nice visit. Lots of conversation, Tommy. I think actually, I don't know if you listened to it. You probably didn't. But I thought it was some interesting conversation, just about the Baltimore versus D.C. thing. especially when it comes to sports fans. But if you missed that show yesterday, go back and listen to it. Some good stuff from Jason Lockenforah. And also, if you missed the radio show this morning, Gary Clark was my guest for roughly a half hour. You can get it on the Team 980.com or the Team 980 app. But Gary Clark was great this morning.

And we talked a lot about him going into the D.C. Sports Hall of Fame. But really, Tommy, I was talking to him about how he felt about not being in the NFL Hall of Fame, which, you know, he has never, he said something that I don't know that I've ever heard him say before. And I'm sure he has said it. I just didn't remember it. He said that when his career ended, he thought he was a lock for the Hall of Fame. He didn't even think it was a conversation. He thought he was an absolute lock for the Hall of Fame. And so over the years, he's been very surprised that he isn't in it. But he recognizes that all the players that are in it, he thinks are deserving. And he didn't, you know, make like a super case to be in it

now, but he felt like when his career ended that he was a lock for the Hall of Fame. And, you know, he had a stretch of his career in Washington where he was outrageously productive. Basically, you know, only Jerry Rice was exceeding him statistically, not to mention that Clark had big games and big moments, you know, big moments in big games. over the course of the years. He always seemed to play his best when it mattered the most. But I think one of the things about Clark's career is that, you know, his productive years in Washington, really it was eight seasons. And then he ended up in Phoenix and he ended up in Miami briefly to end his career. And his first year and a half, two seasons were in the USFL. If you take those seasons

and if he had had significant years in the NFL, he probably would have had numbers that they wouldn't have been able to ignore if he had two more seasons in the NFL versus the USFL. Great player. Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely a great player. I mean, you know, I think it warrants as to be in All-Fame, but I don't think he's ever going to be in the Hall of Fame.

I mean, no one's going to fight for Gary Clark to be in the Hall of Fame. Do you know who makes the case for Redskins players now to be in Hall of Fame? I do not. Is it still David Elfin? No, no, no. That was pretty bad. That was embarrassing. The new one is much better.

Why was that embarrassing? Well, because he's a weasel. He's an idiot and a weasel, and everybody knows him. Okay. You've always had. you've always had a thing for David Elfin. And I can't speak to, because you worked with him. He was truly a co-worker with you.

Well, one of us worked and one of us whined. I do remember, I'll never forget that Super Bowl. You and I sitting on Radio Row. I'll never forget that. May I tell that story real quickly? Absolutely. We're sitting on Radio Row, and it's one of those Super Bowls. I have no idea where we were.

but it was, you know, Thursday late in the week, and it was one of those, you know, conversations about, you know, Art Monk or Joe Jacoby or Russ Grimm. So we were talking about one of those players and Hall of Fame and are they going to get in this time, et cetera, et cetera. And David Elfin was making the case in front of the Hall of Fame committee on that following Saturday. I think it was like a late week, Thursday, Friday show, whatever. So David Elfin comes over, and it's during a break, and he said, Kevin, if you want, I'll come on, and I can talk about the presentation that I'm going to make for Jacoby or for Grim. I forget who it was at the time. And I said, sure, yeah, come over here, sit down, and I looked over at whoever was producing. I said, can you get an extra set of headphones for David?

And then I looked at you. And you were opposite of me on the other side, and you just, you gave this motion with your hand, slug. your throat like no no no and I'm like what's what's wrong what's going on and I go I lean over to you and you said if he is on I'm getting up and I'm walking off this I'm walking away from this table or you said something like I will not speak and and and I said why and he goes he's not coming on period and so I could tell that there was clearly something going on there and some history there. So I, of course, I was not going to then, you know, I wasn't going to make it uncomfortable

because you were, I don't know that I've ever seen you that upset. That's not true. There have been other times. I don't want David Elfin to get the satisfaction that this was the most upset you've ever been because you've been upset before. But you were so adamant. And so I turned to David and said, you know, David, we had something else planned for this segment, my fault.

You know, let's, uh, maybe. And I said, maybe I'll talk to Chuck or whatever, and maybe you can come on with coach and Doc and Brian or something like that. And he said, oh, yeah, no problem. He didn't see the conversation we had. Or if he did, I don't remember how, but the bottom line is he didn't come on. I've never, you were so, this was not your favorite person, not by a long shot. And I personally, I've never really known David at all. you know, I don't really know him that well,

but I know he was the guy in that room making the case for Monk and for Grimm and for Jacoby, right, for many years? Look at he. In spite of David Elfin, there were, you know, Darrell Green got in, I think Russ Grimm got in, and Art Monk got in while he was in there making the piss. I don't know how that happened, but they did. and you know look when we worked at the times together and I blew right by him in other words I mean basically he had been there about seven or eight years before I got there and you know I just I just blew by him I was a columnist within a couple years at the paper and at least two people who I know who I trust implicitly

told me that this guy m-fed me to them for hours. I remember this now, yeah. A couple of times. You know? Just like a train ride from New York back to Washington, one sports writer told me. All he did was take a knife out

and stick it in your back over and over and over. That was funny that day. And I did nothing to him. I did nothing. nothing to him except be better than him. That was my crime. All right. So who is, so who's making the case?

It's Larry then, because Larry made the last case for Jacobi. It's Larry. It's Larry, Michael. I mean, it's just unbelievable. I mean, you would think, you know, it's, I don't think that's a good idea. How's that? Why? Because it's an employee or because?

Yeah. Yeah. You know what? What? You know, I don't have a dictionary in front of me here to come up with the best way to describe this. You know what? Let me help you. And actually, it won't do it justice, but I'm going to throw a couple of things out.

First of all, how odd is it having a team employee make the Hall of Fame pitches Super Bowl Week for the players of their franchise? Is that an unusual thing? I think it's an unusual thing. I don't want to say he's the only one. There may be one or two others, but that generally is not the case. The other thing that I would say, I mean, look, we both nominated ourselves for the committee for the D.C. Sports Hall of Fame. We should be at least on the selection committee. You know who would make, I'm telling you right now, and I feel so confident about this.

not in the same way that I'm confident that I could be an NBA general manager or a clock management coach in the NFL. I actually think I could make a really good case and could really pitch it the right way and present it the right way as a media member as someone who really in this market knows a lot about the Redskins and a lot about the history of the Redskins and a lot about the specific players in their careers. And maybe it wouldn't be the same case somebody who was on the beat would make.

But, you know, I could make a good presentation. And, you know, Larry probably could do a lot of things that would be helpful and influential. But I think there are other people that could make a better case for the players. I think that's also what you're saying. I think Andy Poland would be a great selection. You would pick Andy before you would pick me? I didn't say that. I just said I think he'd be a great selection.

I'm asking you. I think you'd be a great selection too. Which one would you pick? Well, I think I think Andy would have a deeper history. Really? Yes. I'm not going to take offense to that because you know... Now, I didn't say you wouldn't do a good job.

I think you'd do a fine job. much better job than I would. How's that? Well, let me just say this. I think I would do a better job at presenting it. That's my feeling about having it organized and the kind of things that people would be looking for. Does Andy have a deeper historical knowledge of the Redskins than I do? It's damn close, Tommy.

I would say that Andy goes back much further, no doubt. Well, that's usually valuable when it comes to the Hall of Fame. But when it comes to remembering these players and their careers and games and impact, my memory I would put up against anybody else's when it comes to the era in which I've watched the Redskins. Oh, then why aren't you doing it? Hold on for a second. You hesitated on that, and you wouldn't answer that one either. What you think, Andy's got a better memory on those things than I do, than my mom?

No, I don't think he has a better memory. I mean, oh, my God. We got nothing else to talk about today. Do you think he would be better at presenting it? I think you both be equally as good. I think that he might be better at compiling a lot of the information that I could then use to present it best. I think the two of us together would be.

really good. I think Andy could present it very well. No, you think Andy could present it better than I could present it. Just a sliver, maybe. Wow. Just a little sliver. You know, you need to see me back in my days of

not being in broadcasting and selling. Because that's something that, and I love Andy, and he's a dear, dear friend. And he's good at presenting things. Very good. And he's got an incredible historical knowledge of the Redskins.

I think Andy would tell you that my Redskins knowledge historically is pretty damn close to his. I didn't say it wasn't. Is there anybody else if you were ranking media members in town that have the best Redskins, for the lack of a better description, Redskins historians, even though you've readskins, even though you've written books. Would it be Andy won me too, or do you have somebody else you want to slip in in front of me? You know, I think he may have done this for the Hall of Fame,

and I think he's retired now, so I don't think he does. I mean, I don't know if he ever did this for the Hall of Fame. I think he did. Len Shapiro, former sports writer and editor for the Washington Post. I'll give you the one. I think Len would be fine. I'll give you the one. And I actually, I enjoy him on Twitter, actually, when it comes to just hardcore football stuff.

I think Dan Daley really knows a lot about the Redskins. I think he knows a lot about the NFL in general. He's very much an NFL historian, but he's also a Redskins historian. Yes. So I agree. He would be one that I would think of. And I don't know Dan very well, do you? You know what?

Dan and I used to work together. I know you did. I know you did. And I thought we were friends and had a great relationship. Oh, boy, here it comes again. And all of a sudden, one day on Twitter, I noticed he blocked me. What? He blocked me.

Seriously? Yes. Why? How do you know? I thought people didn't know when they got blocked. Well, I can't see his tweet. Of course people, no. You see, the gutless way to freeze people out is to mute them.

Then they don't know. The courageous way is to block them. Then they do know. So, yes, I knew. I've not done either one. Not even one time. Well, Dan had blocked me. God only knows why.

Really? I have no idea why. Do you know, now that you say that, God, I hate to say that if I'm wrong. but whatever, it's a podcast. I think I reached out to him a while back to ask him to be on the show. I know I did, and I never heard back from him.

Now, that could be because I had the wrong number, or maybe I texted, or maybe he didn't get the message or whatever. But I think I was doing the show with you at the time. Check your phone, see if you can read his tweets. Dan Daily on Sports. Oh, I know I can read his tweets. follow him. Okay.

On Twitter. I follow him on Twitter and I read his tweets. You know, he does a lot of like, you know, recently he's been doing a lot of football research and football historical stuff. I read something just the other day. He was doing something on players who had had kickoff returns in the postseason, which was, you know, that sort of stuff like interests me, you know. He wrote a book with another sports writer who was from the Times before my time called the Pro Football Chronicles

which I highly recommend if you can find it used. He wrote it a long time. He wrote another one after that that was pretty good. I forget the exact title of it. But the Pro Football Chronicles is one of the best football books I've ever read. And he was the co-author.

It does not surprise me. It doesn't surprise me. Okay, so you got Andy. But he blocked me. I think he'd be perfect for that. But, yeah. Why did he, why did he, you have no idea why he blocked you? I have no idea.

I would tell you if I did something that insulted him, because I don't particularly give a shit, you know, but I didn't do anything. He just must have thought I was an idiot. Look, I mean, I guarantee you there are people you have blocked that are like, Why did Tommy block me? You block a lot of people I've heard. Oh, I block a ton of people. It's my Twitter account. It's not there.

Oh, I hate social media right now. It is an insane asylum out there. No, that's interesting to me, but when you said that, I am almost positive that I reached out to him maybe more than once and asked him to be on the show. and I think at the time he was still, you know, he doesn't write for anybody anymore. Am I correct on that? I think that's true. Yeah. I don't know what he's doing these days, but he hasn't right for anybody that I know. Yeah. But I've always thought he was really like one of the sharp guys,

because you know, for the most part, a lot of the writers who, of course, you know, basically thumb their nose at people on sports talk radio is if it's, you know, some sort of sandbox for the uneducated. I... Let it all out, Kevin.

Let it all out. Over the years, over the years, and you know this, there have been columnists and reporters in the market that I really like and I respect, but for the most part, I have found that the people that I think know

more about some of these sports, and maybe it's just because they've got a bigger form or a longer form, you know, long form radio, the whole thing, are people on radio. It's just what I've, that's been my personal observation over the years. But anyway, I'm sorry Dan Daley blocked you. He just doesn't know the man that I know. And let me just end this with God bless Larry Michael. I look as a red skin fan I don't and and I it's not that I'd have a major problem with it

but I think that there's probably a better presenter you know and one that's not tied to the organization is an employee that would make more sense you know the other part of Dan Snyder is on the board of directors of the all fame what little power he has seems to be channeled into the Hall of Fame. He's on some kind of couple of maybe board of directors connected to the Hall of Fame. I mean, you know, you'd like to have him, you know, on some kind of powerful owners committee or something like that if you're a Redskinned fan. But he does have some power within the Hall of Fame.

And I think Bruce Allen helped him achieve that. So, you know, that's why Larry's in there. Because he's Dan's guy. Okay. Okay. Can we agree on that? He's a guy? Yes.

Okay. And at this point, is Larry Ofer? Is Chukobi the only person he's presented? No, no. You know what? Uh... I can't say for sure. Why, do you think he...

Do you think he made Russ Grims? Did he make Russ Grims? No, I think that was. That was the miracle of elephant. Oh, God, you're the worst. Anyway, back to Gary Clark. There is a case for Gary Clark. It's not an overwhelming case,

and the fact that he's not in there has never really burned me as a die-hard redskin fan. And by the way, is a huge Gary Clark fan. I don't know that he is totally deserving, of the Hall of Fame. The case that can be made is that there are guys in the Hall of Fame that he was just as good as, if not better, and the numbers are better as well. Now, sometimes you get into that non-passing era and, you know, you start comparing guys like Bolitnikov to Gary Clark and others that came before, you know, teams started

opening it up. And Gary Clark wasn't necessarily part of the true, you know, passing explosion era either. But, you know, there are guys like Stalworth and Michael Irvin, who, you know, was really considered to be sort of a lock as a Hall of Famer. And Clark's numbers are right there with his. They're just guys there, Andre Reed, Stalworth. You know, Lynn Swan is to me one of those exceptional cases in that his career was super short. His numbers are paltry compared to the rest of the Hall of Famers, but if you watched Lynn Swan, just like if you watch Gail Sayers during that short and career, and I'm not saying Swan was the same as a receiver that Sares was as a running back, but Swan was a great receiver and a Hall of Fame receiver, even though the career was short, the injuries were

significant, and the numbers aren't anywhere near sort of a lot of the other Hall of Famers. Lynn Swan was a better receiver than John Stallworth, in my view. You agree with that? Yes, I do. And so Stallworth's numbers really dwarf Swan's numbers, you know, in terms of receptions and yards. But Swan was brilliant over a short period of time. Gail Sares is not the comp. Gail Sares was a much better Sherlock Hall of Fame kind of guy than Lynn Swan was as a receiver. But I think Lynn Swan is a Hall of Fame receiver.

I agree Absolutely Anyway Here's the two words That you want For a presenter in that room Respect and credibility I'll just leave it at that

Ooh That's what you don't think I have No I didn't say you wouldn't be good at it Hold on for a second I just said I think Andy would be a beard hair better. I mean, it's really close.

I don't think, I didn't see, don't be so sensitive, Sonny. I didn't say you couldn't do a great job at it. If they just asked me the best. If I got picked to do it, would you be going behind my back saying, no, they got the wrong guy? Andy would be much better? No, I didn't say much better. You just say, I said what you wanted me to say. You couldn't say to make a decision, and I did.

But it's not the same as saying you couldn't do it. Andy, you could do it. But there's no doubt in your mind that Andy would bring forth much more respect and credibility to the room. You see, much more respect. It's no wonder you make a living on radio. Much more respect. More respect. No, the same level respect.

Okay. All right. All right, Mr. Lookit. You know, if I never said me. You know what the truth is? Here's the truth. Andy would do a phenomenal job. He would do a phenomenal job. And if Andy ever got picked to do it, I would call Andy up and I would say, you know what? I'm so happy you're doing it. This is a much better choice than anybody that's been doing it over the years. And if you need my help, I'd be glad to give it. Yeah, there you go.

And slip it under your breath, and I could do it better. No. Andy would be great. And he's been around much longer, so much longer. You know, I talked this morning about Ken Beatrice, because we spent some time talking about him and Sports Talk Radio the other day on the podcast. And, you know, like, it really, like, on Sports Talk Radio in D.C., it would be, if they were to put somebody else in besides Ken Beatrice, it'd be the junkies or Andy.

That would be the list. Nobody else would be in consideration. I mean, the sports fix would get some due respect. No, seriously, though. Well, since we're starting the Hall of Fame, we're the first two lists. We're starting the Sports Talk Radio Hall of Fame. Yes, D.C. Sports Talk Radio Hall of Fame. You and I are the first class.

We would have... Then we'll take care of everybody else. Yeah. The selection committee selected themselves for the inaugural class of Sports Talk Radio Hall of Famers. No, I mean... Here's the other thing about the Pro Football Hall Fame. It's a screwed up way to do it. I mean, for all the criticism about the baseball hall fame,

baseball writers get a ballot sent to them in the mail, they fill it out, they send it back. no one has to stand in a room secretly like a car salesman and make a salespin. You know, such a good point. I know that this is repetitive and we've had this conversation before, but just think about that. That they, that Joe Jacoby is reliant on someone to make the case for him in a room of people that have done their own research, I'm sure, but are also potentially influenced one way or other, or the other by the other. presenter. That doesn't make any sense. The career is the presentation. It's a ridiculous way to do it. Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, if you're in that room and you're a voter, then you need to do your own work. You need to have been a part of that era. When Joe Jacoby comes up, there should be writers in the room,

or former players in the room, former coaches in the room. He's contemporaries, and that should be the group of people. And they should be doing their own research. I mean, they can be presented with a two-sheater of data. But if, I mean, how many times would you guess that you're sitting in that room on Saturday as a Hall of Fame voter? And a presenter makes the case, and you're like, oh, my God, that's the worst presentation I've ever seen. if poor, you know, Drew Pearson only knew what they, you know, how this was so completely disorganized and poorly presented, it would be influential, I would think.

That said, I would give, I don't, I know some of the people in that room, a handful. I don't know the majority, but given the responsibility they have, I find it hard to believe that everybody in that room would not have done their own research on all the candidates in front of them. Very in-depth research. Yeah. Well, I mean, that would be hard for me to believe. I certainly would. Yeah.

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Players Association from any group wanting out of the 22 team resumption. However, players have started to come to terms with the restrictive and isolated nature of the Orlando bubble, including no visitors until after the first round of the playoffs, nearly seven weeks after the opening of mid-July training camp. There's been increased dialogue about the prudence of restarting the season for a number of players, especially those on non-championship contenders. Executives and coaches around the NBA have had significant concerns about how players will adapt to an environment unlike any they've ever experienced in how those hurdles could impact the sustained competitive drive for teams. Many have worried, too, especially on teams that

aren't title contenders, whether some players will start to seek avenues to bypass the resumption altogether. Players are citing a number of concerns, including family situations, the inability to leave the Disney World Resort campus, the coronavirus pandemic, and the implications surrounding the emergence of social justice causes in the country. Participants in Orlando, including players, will not be allowed to leave the bubble environment without a 10-day quarantine upon their return to the Disney grounds. That's from the story written by Adrian Wojnerowski. So netting it out, there are players, 40 to 50 of them potentially, that are concerned

about a number of things and may want to opt out completely. And I guarantee those are discussions that took place at their home. I mean, look, this is something that, you know, baseball is going through this. argument about money. And I always think that, always thought that everybody was downplaying the family factor and the

fear factor. Once you get past the money and baseball, I think it'll be worse. I think you'll have more players that don't want to bow out. So I just think, I always thought this was going to be an issue. I mean, because, I mean,

if you're married and you've got young kids, you know how these discussions will go. Here's the one thing that I think about in all of this. So this is not a situation when Wojnerowski writes that the players can stay home without consequences. Well, that's, you know, without being suspended or punished or fined. But they will not get paid. He updated this story early this morning.

Players deciding against the Orlando resumption would not be paid for miss games. The league already started withholding 25% of players' paychecks on June 15th because of the force majeure provision in the collective bargaining agreement that will repay teams for canceled games. And remember, we did hear, we heard from an NBA player, like a big-time team representative. I'm trying to think of who it was. I think it was it Lillard or McCollum, one of those two, I think it was C.J. McCollum out in Portland

had said that he estimated amazingly that three quarters of the league lives paycheck to paycheck. That's unbelievable to consider because the average salary, and I went back and looked at it at the time, is like over $7 million a year. The minimum is like $800,000 a year, between $900,000 a year. I just of course if somebody is vulnerable because of an underlying illness I could see it are they going to be upset to leave their families for a significant period of time yes I just can't imagine that these players are going to give up that kind of money if they if the chances of them getting seriously ill is basically slim and none

well here's the thing I think I think players are will go along and then quit at one point during this whole thing. Don't just say, screw this. I'm not getting locked with Mickey and Minnie in here for three months. I'm going home or else still hear it from their family. You need to come home. You know, somebody's sick. And you're at Disney World playing basketball.

For a lot of money. Well, still, I just think, again, this is why I don't think any of these seasons that are going to restart are going to finish for all kinds of personal complicated reasons due to this virus. So there are a couple of things here. Number one, let's differentiate between the player that says he doesn't want to go to Orlando for between seven weeks and maybe 14 weeks because he doesn't want to be away from home for that long.

He doesn't want to be confined to one city versus the player who's, legitimately fearful of the virus and isn't confident in the protocols and policies that the league's put in place to create a safe environment? Because the two are different. You agree, right? Oh, not as much as you think. The player who doesn't want to leave his family for three and a half months, let's say, no matter what you think about the epidemic, about the pandemic, okay?

would you feel good about leaving your wife and kids for three and a half months during a pandemic? At this point, much more so than in March, yes. But would not, I would miss them terribly. That would be, for me, that would be the bigger thing. I know you're not. I know you're not. To answer your question, the answer is no. Really?

I would. I wouldn't. Three and a half months? Yeah. You know, when there's still, you know, thousands of people dying from this thing. Now, I know a lot of them, we're talking about elderly people, people with underlying disorders and stuff. But again, you know, it's like the argument that I forget who it was put out there. You know, well, you know, if 3,000 of people a day are dying, half of them are 60 and over and in nursing.

home. Okay, so let's cut that to half. Let's say if there were 1,500 rabbit dogs, you know, rolling the streets, how good would you feel about going out there and taking a walk? Yeah. Just because your chances were reduced. Tommy, Tommy. You don't want to win that lottery. This audience that we're talking about, you're asking me the question I would hope in context of me being 25 years old with a super young family as an NBA player. At this point, it'll be five months into it nearly, certainly four months plus into it, based on what we know today on June 11th,

the only thing that would tug at me would be, I don't want to be away from my kids, my wife and kids for that long. And they can't come here to see me. And even though I'll go on a West Coast road trip for 10 days sometimes. This is going to be potentially three months, you know, two months, whatever it'll be. Let's see, August, September.

If I'm on the team that goes to the NBA finals, it could be three months. That would really be the number one thing that I would have an issue with. Okay, well, that would be you. I think for these players, the pandemic fear is double that. Why? Leaving their family behind during a pandemic. But their families are. But their families aren't at risk based on the likely ages of wife and children.

I get that. Not to mention that they... It's okay, honey. Don't worry about the pandemic. You're not at risk. You're probably not going to get it. Goodbye. That's not going to work.

Oh, well, that's really not the way the conversation would go. First of all, they live in, you know, significant affluence. the ability to easily socially distance as they've probably been doing now, you know, hunkering down with families with tons of luxury in those situations. So I'm not leaving my wife and kids in, you know, in a crowded apartment building in the Bronx. You know, we've got 15 people in one, you know, two-bedroom or one-bedroom efficiency. This is not a huge risk for an NBA player's family as the NBA player leaves to go play in Orlando. But why? Why are they social distancing and living in isolation?

Why? Well, because like everybody, at least for the first month or two, and maybe they aren't doing it nearly as much anymore. But for those first two months, there was a lot that was unknown. And everybody was fearful to a certain degree. Are they still doing it now? I bet they're doing it a lot less. Just like everybody is.

is. So you think they're doing it a lot less. So it doesn't matter. So this whole premise you talk about, about living in isolation and social distancing, really isn't relevant because they're not doing it anymore. The point is, if I'm sitting there having the conversation with my wife and kids, what I know now is I know that unless my wife has some sort of underlying disease at 26 years old, and my, you know, three kids who are six, four, and two, and, and I, and and they're really not at risk based on what we know. They're really not at risk. And even if they're out and about and they're outside and they're in the neighborhood or they go to the supermarket and they're wearing masks and they're doing things smart,

they're really not at risk at all. A couple of months ago, I wasn't so sure. And like everybody else, I was hunkering down. And we were watching movies and we were watching TV shows and we were doing some stuff with the kids and arts and crafts and all that. And we had a time of it. We were on Zoom calls with family members and friends. We were having a time of it as a family that lives in primarily luxurious situations. Now I've got a chance to go back and resume my career on a short sprint that may be seven weeks,

might be 14 weeks, somewhere in that range. And I'm going to feel a lot more comfortable with respect to the pandemic and leaving my family on their own. But how many players are not going to feel that way? Well, a couple at least. It certainly sounds like there are a few. But this story says that it's more than just about families in the pandemic. You know, it's about being that long away from their family. It's about for themselves being essentially, you know, boxed in to this one hub city,

this one hub area for a long period of time, which, by the way, would get to feel a little claustrophobic at some point. And I think that gets added on to the fear of leaving their family for that amount of time during a pandemic. That's normal. That's a normal reaction. The way you're describing it is an abnormal reaction. No, I didn't say it's abnormal. But of the players that decide not to go through with this, I don't think that the leading reason will be that they fear they're going to get sick or they feel.

fear that their family is going to get sick while they're gone? But it's part of the decision-making that under any other circumstances would not come into play. I just think you're going to have enough players and enough players' wives who are going to think that way that are going to make this fall apart. Not if you've got players, I would love to know what truly living paycheck-to-paycheck means for 75% of the players, because it just doesn't seem possible to me. They've made their money already for this year, Kevin.

No, the league started withholding 25% of their paychecks on June 15th, so they're not getting paid anymore. But they made their money. Right. That's true. The season was almost over. That's true. That is a good point.

That's a fair point. that they, this is not the beginning of a baseball season where they haven't gotten paid dime one because they haven't played game one. And, you know, for the teams at the bottom of the standings, like the Wizards or, you know, the positions in the West where they really don't have a chance legitimately to get into the postseason, it really is a bit of a waste of time. And they've got to go for training camp and the whole thing. What I'm saying to you, Tommy, is that I don't think for these super young families,

and super healthy families. And obviously, I don't know what percentage of, I'm guessing that it's a significant majority of NBA families are young and healthy and in the lowest risk category. I don't think it's that. The virus, as much as it would be, we're not going to have our husband and our father. And for the father, I'm not going to have my wife and my kids for potentially three months.

Because I remember what I was like when my kids, kids were young, and I was traveling a lot, and I've told you this, for a year and a half, I'd left Monday morning, went up to Boston, came back on Friday. That was painful, and that was five days. Painful. I hated being away from them for work-related reasons for five days. I missed them terribly, especially when they were young. And most of these NBA players, if they have kids, they're super young. If they have wives and kids, everybody's young, and it's, you know, that point in sort of a family's, you know, evolution. I think that that would be a big part of it.

I think when I'd like, you know, Wojnarowski, they should do a little bit more about the players that are, you know, showing. But here's the problem with this. That won't be an answer that will fly with teams and fans. If you're legitimately fearful of getting the virus, then that's, that's. That is something to your point that I think people would accept more. So to answer your earlier question, I don't think it's abnormal if people feel that way. I think that it is also very normal for people to want to get out of this

because they don't want to be away from their families that much. But the answer that isn't going to fly with fans, and maybe even teammates and front offices is going to be, yeah, I don't want to be away from my family that long. Obviously, I think that that's a big part of it. I just think the circumstances that are dictating them being away from their family that long also come into play in the fear at home. The fear of, let's say, leaving, you know, your wife with two or three kids at home who's still dealing with social isolation.

Right. I'm sure that's part of it too. But you didn't answer what I just said. The players that try to get out of it because they are concerned about being away from their families and it's not necessarily virus-related but more tugging at the heartstrings related, I don't think that's going to be viewed very favorably

by teammates and teams and fans. I don't think they care. Yeah. I mean, NBA players, what do they care? I don't care. Yeah. A lot of NBA players at protests, be interesting if those players that were at protests

over the last couple of weeks, then all of a sudden said they didn't want to leave their families because they're afraid of the virus. Well, there's a lot of people in that vote. That would be a little bit hypocrites. No, I can't go to Orlando. I'm not. I'm really concerned about catching the virus and I don't want my family catching it while I'm away.

Well, there's a lot of people who are out there side by side in the street. Yes. Who are now going back to, you know, social distancing. There's a lot of people in that boat. Right. We'll see what happens here. It's 40 to 50 players, 22 teams. That's 40 to 50 out of, you know, call it 300 when all of said and done.

that's a lot of players. That's a big percentage. More than 10%. So if that's the case, that will be interesting. And as far as the pay thing, that's a really good point. They've already been paid. And if they can do this without consequence, meaning fines, you know, or some sort of punishment, it's going to be hard to incent them,

even though people will say, hey, this is good for America. This is great for people to have sports start back up. They may not care about that. Anyway, what did I want to get to next? Oh, I sent you the list, and I talked about this on the show this morning. CBSSports.com did the top 15 shooters in NBA history. And the number one shooter of all time was your favorite guy, just shoot at Steph Curry. And this is what Brad Botkin from CBSports.com wrote about.

Curry. He wrote, this is not even a debate. Curry is the sixth most accurate three-point shooter in league history at over 43% for his career, which is just a ridiculous number when you consider the volume and difficulty of his shots. And Curry isn't just a three-point shooter. He'll kill you from mid-range with floaters and runners off the dribble, off the catch, and he's one of the best off-ball movers to ever play. He has every shot in the bag. Quite simply, Curry has simply reshaped the way the game's been played and redefined the standard of truly great shooting. His ability to shoot off the dribble with easy range to 30 plus feet has warped floor spacing and detonated defensive strategies beyond anything anyone would have recognized before he came around.

For my money, Curry's 2015-2016 season where he was the unanimous MVP and he made 402-3-pointers converting on, this is actually amazing, converting. on 45% of them has never been and might well never be topped. This is not even a debate, CBSSports.com on the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. Agree or disagree? Look, I think one thing I've always conceded, he did change the game. I mean, he did change the game, and I can't argue with him as the best.

shooter in the history of the game because he was so good that he literally changed the way the game is played. So, I mean, I don't particularly have a problem with that. It's so hard to compare errors, particularly when it comes to shooting. But, I mean, even the comparable, great shooters of the past, I don't think any of them can say they're better than Steph Curry. It's not even close for me. He's the best shooter I've ever seen. And the reason for it, and we've had these conversations over the years, and in the early days really of watching guys start to shoot further and further back,

you know, four feet, six feet, eight feet, ten feet behind the three-point line, like it was nothing. And that, without question, changed the game. Curry really was the first to consistently be a guy that would pull up from 30 feet plus. Sometimes just inside half court on a fast break. We've seen that before. And it wasn't even considered unusual after a while. These were shots that he was taking that, you know, in your era of playing for the Knicks

were considered terrible shots, terrible shot selection. And Steph Curry, as the writer for CBS Sports wrote, he, totally warped floor spacing. And that's basketball. That's offensive basketball. If you ever go watch any good coach, coach a practice, you know, offensively, it's about your spacing. You know, it's making sure that you're not super close to your teammate. You want the defense to cover more ground, not less ground. It's harder to cover more ground than it is to cover less ground. That's why basketball coaches, you'll hear all the time, spacing, spacing, spacing. You know, now there is, you know, ball screens where, you know, you're getting close to a teammate.

There are, you know, off ball screens, but for the most part, spacing is everything. And the spacing was changed with Curry because all of a sudden, not only Curry, but guys like Lillard and guys like Clay Thompson started pulling up from 30 plus feet. Now you've got to go out to 30, 35 feet to guard a guy, which leaves behind that defender all of that open floor. And it was really, it's been fascinating to watch. I know it's not your favorite thing, but it's changed the game. There's no doubt about it. It's why you end up with a lot of threes and a lot of layups, because as they run at the three-point shooter,

he's going by with all that open space to the rim. But in terms of just the ability to shoot it, to shoot it with quick release, to shoot it with accuracy, to shoot it in so many different ways, as the writer described, you know, the incredible range from the three-point line, the incredible mid-range game, the floaters, the feel around the rim in traffic, he's the greatest shooter that I've ever seen. And I've mentioned this before, too, Tommy. and I know that you've said Maravich, he's the best combined shooter and ball handler in one body that I've ever watched.

I didn't see Maravich in his prime, so I can't speak to Maravich in his prime. Isaiah would have been the one, had three-point shooting been more prevalent, been more accepted, long-range three-point shooting. I think Isaiah's ball handling, and he was a wizard as a ball handler, and he was a really good shooter, too.

I think Isaiah would be the other guy that would be comparable to Curry. The problem was, is Isaiah didn't live in that era of just shooting it, you know, of pulling up from 30 feet and draining threes. But Curry, to me, best shooter of all time. Now, number two on this list, I definitely have a debate because my number two is very clear in my mind, who I think, you know, and I'm not even going to use statistics to back it up. It's just in terms of watching NBA basketball over my lifetime. Number two on this list is Clay Thompson.

Number three is Ray Allen, four is Larry Bird, and five is Reggie Miller. Reggie Miller is my number two. Reggie Miller was a phenomenal shooter with a perfect stroke, and he could shoot it off of a screen, catch, and shoot better than any player I've ever watched in NBA history. Reggie Miller is one of the all-time greatest, too, at moving without the ball in setting up screens to get open to shoot that jump shot. You know, he also had the super quick release like Steph Curry did. But Curry, the only, Curry's number one. Reggie Miller for me is number two. I can't argue with that, Kevin. Well, I need some argument. It's no fun when you

argue with me. It's no fun. It's fun when you bow down and say you're right again. I hate that. Well, I mean, look, it's not like you're discovering plutonium here. Well, name the show we've ever had where we were actually in the midst of discovering plutonium. Well, I mean, you're not walking a plank on Steph Curry and Reggie Miller at your top two shooters of all times.

Compared to most of the conversation. This is not going to sock an amazing. Compared to most of the conversations we've had over the years, this is damn sophisticated. Birds up there. Ray Allen's a great all-time shooter. Durant's eight on this list behind Corver who came in at six and Nash who came in at seven. Durant should be higher on this list. Dirk is nine, Steve Kerr 10, J.J. Reddick 11,

Page of Stoyakovich 12. You know, the list, for one thing, the list has lost all historic perspective. I mean, once you get past the first two or three, I mean, it's really an unfair list. I mean, done by some child who, I'm betting, you know, multiple children. Yeah, well, whatever. I mean, come on. I mean, you're going to tell me that Oscar Robinson isn't on that list. This is what I wanted.

It took you a while to get into the conversations. Are you going to mention Clyde Fraser? Rick Barry? No, no. Rick Barry. You know, Dale Ellis. Dale Ellis was a great shooter. Do you remember Dale Ellis was?

Of course. Chuck Person. Brad Davis. Another great shooter. Which Brad Davis? The Brad Davis who played for the Maverick. Yeah, from Maryland. You think Brad Davis was a great shooter?

51% from the field, 83% from the foul line. You know, Brad Davis... That's pretty good for his time. Brad Davis was a great player at Maryland for lefty. Brad Davis wasn't known as a shooter at Maryland. He became a good scorer. I wouldn't call him a great shooter. I would call him a good scorer.

When you get off this, you know, this podcast we do, why you do a little research on your boy? And then come back to me. Okay? The percentage isn't, the percent, I'm talking about pure shooters. Brad Davis didn't have a pure stroke. And he was a great player and he was a good scorer, you know, and was great on the fast break.

Phenomenal on the fast break. He's one of the best shooters of his time in the league. That's a stretch for me. But go ahead. Who else do you want to mention? Freddie Brown. Oh, there we go. My boy.

I threw him out on the radio this morning to one of my callers. I bet you've never heard of Fred downtown Brown, have you? But go back and watch some of Freddie Brown shooting from, you know, the non-autonomous zone in Seattle. Oh, my God. He was bombing him. And he was one of those guys on the fast break that would, he was ahead of his time. He would pull up on the fast break from 25 feet. and not even think about it.

And Lenny Wilkins would say, that's fine with me. That's Freddie Downtown Brown off the bench. And Tommy, I don't know that he ever started. I always remember him coming off the bench. Am I right about that or not? I don't know. I don't know if that's the case or not. I'm trying to think who the guards were for those Seattle teams.

Well, I can tell you, Gus Williams and Dennis Johnson were the starters on their championship teams with Freddie Brown coming off the bench. I just don't know if he started at another time in his career. Yeah. Calvin Murphy. Calvin Murphy is one of the great free-throw shooters ever. And one of the great shooters, he's a good shooter. Yeah.

Alan Houston. Alan Houston, excellent shooter. Excellent shooter, Alan Houston. I thought you're going to go further back. I mean, Freddie Brown's going back. You got me into the 70s. Alan Houston, we're into the 90s. Glenn Rice is one of the greatest pure shooters ever in terms of,

of the stroke, everything about it was perfect. Steve Kerr's on this list. Steve Kerr could really shoot it. Larry Bird is definitely, you know, it should be on this list. And the thing about Bird and Reddick and Miller, there were certain guys that had not only the perfect stroke, but were perfect in every part of the shooting operation. Steph Curry has an incredible stroke.

but he shoots it at a lot of different angles, depending on how he's, you know, the situation he's in. Whereas Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, J.J. Redick, I'm just thinking about guys, they catch it. There's a perfect square up, perfect elbow extension, follow through the whole thing. I have watched some highlights on Marevich before. He did have a great stroke, a great stroke. But there wasn't an emphasis on long-range shooting back then. No, he averaged 44 points a game during a three-year college career when there was no three-point shot. Right. You mentioned Dale Ellis, Chuck Person, you know, a lot of those guys.

I mean, just Kyle Corver in recent years, you know, and Corver's a bigger dude, but my God, he is a great shooter. You know, and just thinking about, you know, Phil Schneer was a great shooter. Yes. Phil Sheenier was a phenomenal shooter. Mark Price was a great shooter. What about Bradley Beale? Bradley Beale is a great shooter. He really is.

I mean, perfect form and really has developed range. And by the way, can shoot it from every, he's a really good mid-range shooter too. Oh, you just made me forget who I was going to mention. Oh, in terms of Bullets' Wizards history, You know who was a real, Gil could really shoot it. You know who had picture perfect shooting form and was a very good NBA shooter. Was Jeff Malone?

Jeff Malone started his career here, finished it in Utah, playing on some very good Utah teams, didn't play on great teams here necessarily. But Jeff Malone had just the perfect stroke. There's a year in Utah where I'm pretty sure he shot well over 50% from the field, which is ridiculous. And it's not because he was taking four shots a game. Let me pull up his thing here because I wanted to – here it is. 1999-92, Jeff Malone averaged 17 shots a game, basically, shot 51% from the floor. Now, back then, even when Jeff Malone came around, not a big emphasis on three-point shooting. and he did not shoot a lot of threes at all, which is actually surprising.

You know, I'm looking at his three point numbers. I'm actually very surprised at how few threes Jeff Malone shot. Great mid-range shooter and was, you know, in that back court in Utah in some of their playoff years. This is before they got to the finals and faced Jordan. But they had some good teams on those Utah teams that had guys like, Stockton and Eaton. It was the big center.

I was just trying to come up with. Mark Eaton. Yeah, Big Mark Eaton was a big part of those teams that he was on. Anyway. What about your boy, Finn Legler? Legler's a pure stroke great shooter. Great shooter. I mean, you know, I had him on radio maybe a month ago, and it was one of those long interviews that were

now able to do here during this stretch. And I mentioned to him, it was during the last dance that he was watching. And I said, you know, Steve Kerr, John Paxson, you could have easily been either one of those two guys. Do you ever think about that? And he said, of course. And he said, you know, most people don't necessarily realize that. But for a lot of shooters in particular, It's the position more than any other in basketball that you just need to land in the right spot. Because guys that can shoot it, as you always have said, they can shoot it. So if you end up on a team that has Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippen on it, and all you got to do is float around to the corner behind the three point line

and watch the defense collapse on them and then get an open pass and shoot open shots, you're going to be a star, you know, like Paxson and like Kerr. you know, and, but if you end up on bad teams, you are every bit the shooter. I mean, Legler's bigger than those guys. I mean, hell, Legler was, Tim Legler was every bit of 6-4-65. What was Kerr? 6-2. Paxson probably was in that 6-4 range. But Legler could have easily had he been in his career, because remember, he played, you know, during that era.

if let's just say somehow, you know, in 1992, 1993, somebody gets hurt and they pick up Legler off the street for a 10 day, and he starts knocking down threes on the regular and becomes that guy. Could have easily been that guy. Absolutely could have been that guy. And there are probably 30 to 50 guys that were in the league at that point, or not in the league at that point, because they didn't get the break and landing on just a team where they, could play that could have been, you know, Paxson or Kerr. Now, Kerr was a really good player, too. It's a Paxon was a good player too. Yeah. Are you one of those guys?

No. Am I one of those guys in pickup weekend games? Not in the league? Not in the league? No. No, but that's, but I can, I can certainly, on a much, much, much lower level, I certainly understand the concept of being sort of the designated long-range shooter. I've been in that position, you know, whether it was competitively or not, of being, you know, hey, he may not guard many people, but you cannot leave them open. So I have been in those positions hoping to get Tommy, even at a very advanced stage. and in pickup games, I'm always looking to play with a really good player that is a really good offensive player with the ball in his hands.

I don't want to be on a team where I've got to have the ball in my hands to create my own shot. At this age, I want to be the guy that goes down and fains defensive pressure and then, you know, and then runs down to the other three point line and just waits for a pass. No, I mean, I love basketball and I love all aspects of it. But yeah, Legler, there are probably 50 guys, you know, in his era that could have been Kerr, could have been Paxon. And it's really, I think, and someone can certainly correct me if you think I'm wrong on this. It's really one of those positions that is right place, right time, because there are so many people who are proficient, stone cold shooters. Now, being able to do it in a live environment, I'm not talking about a guy walking

off the street, talking about guys that played college basketball at a high level that never made it into the NBA because they didn't find that right place, right time, you know, that perfect fit. But guys like Paxson and Kerr did, and, you know, JJ Reddick's continued to find those spots over the years, although Reddick's a good all-around player. He's probably not a good example of that. But anyway, okay, what else do you have today? That's all I got, boss.

Is that it? Didn't we have something else we were going to talk about? We were going to talk about. Haskins. Haskins. Haskins. All right, let's get to that right after I tell you about Hidrant. All right.

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you heard it or if you read the quotes, but describing the organization's um, activeness in black lives matter. Uh, he said at one point, I've been tasked with leading this entire organization and I've always believed in the mantra that actions speak louder than words. And he listed all of the things that the Redskins as an organization were doing.

That was after he opened up. The opening statement from Rivera was two weeks ago, a man sworn to protect. us murdered George Floyd in the streets of Minneapolis. He got into all of the things that the Redskins are doing. He said, I wanted to share with you our internal plan that will allow our entire organization to come together, let their voices be heard and ultimately take action. We've created a town hall program led by six members of our organization, Doug Williams, Dr. Monica Page, our team psychologist, our senior director of player personnel, Malcolm

Malcolm Blackin, our team chaplain, and one of our coaches, Jennifer King, who's a new coach on this staff, formerly a police officer before shifting into the coaching world. And he said everyone in the organization from the front office and players to ticket sales reps can take part in these discussions. These town halls will give our employees a chance to share experiences, build camaraderie with colleagues that they may not have yet crossed paths with, and ultimately come up with actionable items. that we can do to make our communities safer for people of color. I've spoken at length with Mr. Snyder about these topics,

and he's agreed to kickstart this program with a $250,000 donation. We've also started the Washington Redskins Black Engagement Network, a network that will work to strengthen the Redskins' commitment to black employees through professional development, career management, mentoring, networking, and inclusive work environment and community outreach. So he spent three minutes and he ended the statement with Black Lives Matter. We can't be afraid to say it. I will say it again, Black Lives Matter.

First of all, this is what I think people in this movement want others that haven't been a part of the movement to understand that there's a discourse, there's a conversation to be had, but there's action to be taken. and he described all of it yesterday. The Redskins are trying to become active. And I thought it was important. You know, we haven't heard this from every organization so far. We haven't heard from owners around the National Football League after Goodell's statement over the weekend.

He's the voice. He's the lead voice in the organization. We found that out on Thanksgiving. And he spelled it out in terms of what the Redskins are going to do to not only talk about it, but be active in it. What did you make of it? I thought it was very smart, very unredskins-like, but another sign about a changing culture within the organization.

I thought it was really smart to seemingly, like you said, get ahead of this thing and be proactive as well as reacting to the circumstances that are going on around the country. it seems like a well-thought-out approach to making sure the organization is on the right side of this issue and on the right side of what their fans may want as well. I thought it was smart. I thought it was very well done. I think it's also one of those things that right now, your players, your employees, have to know in this environment that you are, you know,

you're a part of what they're going through. I don't know, I can't give you a rundown team by team and what every owner's done and what every coach has said. I know a lot of coaches and a lot of players and a lot of leaders and a lot of different organizations have made profound statements and have promised action here recently. I also know that off of the Goodell statement over the weekend, that there wasn't like this rush from all 32 owners to say,

we're behind this. You know, have we heard from Jerry yet? Jerry's been silent. You know, Dan Snyder, with the exception of Ron Rivera, telling us that he made a $250,000, you know, donation to this town hall concept that the Redskins are starting. I don't know that we've really heard that we've had an organizational statement. Anyway, and I could be wrong about that. I think it's really important right now that the players on these teams are, you know, they're Demanding more than silence. Silence to a lot of people right now is an implication of something not right.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with that at all. I think people can handle this in their own way, and there are a lot of people that may have been taking action on this front for many years and are not a look at me kind of person. You know, there's a lot of people out there that want to make some sort of contribution, and then also take a picture of themselves making that contribution and put it on social media. There are also a lot of people that don't need that and are active and are going to continue to be active, but don't necessarily want to bring attention to themselves for that. But anyway, I think in the sports world with respect to, you know, NFL teams right now, especially, you know, it's probably, this was probably very smart.

And by the way, it comes from, you know, one of the few minority coaches in the NFL. And a minority coach who is the face and voice of this organization right now, period. I agree with all that. Let's see how this holds up when the horrible virus that's coming hit. Oh, my God. And that's the September-October presidential elections. Oh, okay. That's the virus I'm talking about.

That's what we're seeing now is going to be nothing compared to September and October in this country where choosing sides means picking a candidate and there'll be debates in locker rooms. Silence is no longer an option

and one side will be pitted against the other because the president will make sure of that That's his M.O. And he'll be like a caged animal in September and October. We haven't seen the worst of what Donald Trump can deliver in terms of campaigning. And I just think that these NFL locker rooms, if baseball comes back, baseball club houses, I think they're both going to be tested to this issue of silence is no longer an option.

And where do you stand come November 3rd? And that's where I think, just like I said to you the other day, with dissenting opinion, that's where I think we will get pushback. And it may have nothing to do with somebody who supports Trump over Biden. It may just have to do with this is what we call in our country a secret ballot. You know, we have the right to keep our voting choice secret. And the reason for that is because, and the reason that we adopted in Australia, it was called the Australian ballot, the secret ballot, based on my memories of U.S. history in both high school and

college, is that no one could influence voters through intimidation, through blackmailing, you know, through, you know, buying of votes. This is why you have a secret ballot in the system. secret ballot in our system. So you said the other day you worry that journalism's been, you know, you were depressed over the state of journalism. Are you telling me that our ballots aren't going to be secret, that we're going to have to actually post a photo on Instagram of who we voted for? What I'm saying is in NFL locker room, teammates will call on other teammates that these discussions will take place. And if somebody says it's none of your business,

That's not going to be good enough. No, that won't be good now. And so what will that mean? It will mean you'll see a lot of division. Not a lot of unity. You'll see a lot of division. Do you think that there was... And a lot of volatility.

What's the last election where maybe, you know, the 68 election Nixon-Humphrey, but, you know, sports were different back then, but not baseball. Not, you know, certainly baseball was... When was the last election where you think maybe there was a dynamic in a locker room between players that, you know, you had, based on who you voted for, you were judged? I'd say probably 72. Nixon McGovern? Yeah. I'd say that.

That's when 68, you really did not get in sports locker rooms. you didn't get the movement on the streets, did not seep into the locker rooms yet in 68. By 72, it had taken hold in small little pockets in terms of the war, of the Vietnam War, and things like that. It was more prevalent in sports locker rooms in 72. Was it a dramatic difference? No. I'm sure most players were voted for Nixon, but there was much more of a division. than there was in 68, and probably the most that there's ever been since then. You know, here's the thing about baseball players and football players and all these guys.

They're millionaires. It shouldn't surprise anyone that millionaires would support Donald Trump. Yeah, you've got more money back. Yeah, well, you've said that, you've said that before, and you're right, you know, in baseball locker rooms in particular. Yes. you know, what did McGovern win? Did McGuver, he won like one state? Yeah, I didn't say it was a contested election.

I just said, I mean, if you're looking for a time where I think there was debate in locker rooms about where you stood and how you would judge, I think it was in 72. It took that long for the 60s to wind up into sports locker room. I bet that's true. I mean, I'm just thinking back through every general election. I can't imagine the country, you know, now it was obviously June of 72 where you had the Watergate break-ins. So you ended up having the election a few months later in November, but it really hadn't gotten rolling yet in terms of the public's understanding of what happened. But Nixon was clearly one of those polarizing figures, even though he won in an electoral landslide.

72. Yes. Yeah. But I just, you know, this this gets into the conversation we were having the other day, Tommy, which is there are going to be, in my opinion, some people say, I don't care that you need to know who I'm voting for. That's not our structure. That's not, my right is to keep my ballot secret. And I have the right to vote for whomever I want to vote for. And I have the right not to tell you who I'm going to vote for. You're going to have to understand that. That's my belief. Your belief is I need to tell you who I'm voting for, and it better be Joe Biden, or we're going to have a problem. And what I'm telling you is it's none of your business who I'm voting for. Just know that I'm a decent person, but I also believe in the right to keep my voting, my ballot secret. I just, I, you're probably right in terms of there's going to be, you know, who you voting for. We need to know, are you a, you a lot? on our side or on the other side? And the reason in this particular case, I get it. I understand it, that there is this belief that if you voted for Trump or if you are going to support Trump again, you are a racist. You know, and it's not, and it's not, it's not debatable. There's no argument in, so, but it still doesn't entitle anybody to demand that you take a picture of who you voted for.

I agree. To prove it. But, you know, the, the, The mob and the bullies are ruling the roots these days. Yeah, there's going to be some pushback on those bullies, Tommy. There's going to be some pushback on that. As we've said, we believe it's the majority. Yes. Let me leave. Are we done?

Yeah, I don't have anything else today. I mean, I don't think there was anything else. I wanted to wrap up the podcast with this. Okay. From Dwayne Haskins. Two hours ago. I think it's interesting. tweet, you know, and I retweeted it myself without comment.

Wayne tweeted, I want to see all my guys win. Can't say that about most of you, though. I want to see all of my guys win can't say that about most of you, though? Yes. What's he referring to? I don't know. I don't know. Here it is.

I want to see all my guys win can't say that about most of you, though. Okay. Does that mean? He doesn't want to see most of us win, or does that mean he thinks that most of us don't want to see his guys win? I have no idea. I actually don't. Well, ponder that. Think about that.

I honestly have no interest in pondering that. Seriously, none. And, you know, I don't follow Dwayne on Twitter, but he pops up in my timeline all the time because he gets retweeted by a lot of. lot of the people that I do follow. And the one comment I would make based on his tweeting because he attended those protests over the weekend downtown is I actually thought some of his tweets were really thoughtful. And you know, Yes, they were.

And here's the other thing, too. If I disagree with anything, it doesn't mean that I haven't on some level been, boy, inspired's probably not the right word, but encouraged that young people in particular are active, you know, because they aren't always this generation. You know, there's a lot of, you know, on the phones, detached, you know, playing video games. I've seen it with my own kids over the years. But I think that there was an energy to what we've seen the last. two weeks with young people. I think that it was nice to see that. It was nice to see the activism.

Even if some of the things that were being chanted, I didn't necessarily totally agree with. I am for good cops. I'm against bad cops. It's really that simple. I don't need to go any further. I'm for law enforcement, not against law enforcement, but I'm for good law enforcement. But I'm for good law enforcement and quality and fair law enforcement, not unfair law enforcement. So a lot of the things that were being protested, you know, I am not in complete agreement with. But I still think a lot of the young players and a lot of the athletes that end up, you know, showing up on our timelines were pretty thoughtful in some of their social media activity. You know what he's got to do?

He's got to play well this year. He looks good. He's lost all that way. He looks good. He looks good. He's been working hard. 237 at Ohio State. He's down at 218. He looks ripped. You know, that tells me it does.

If you're wondering, it tells me, you know, he's working. He's committed. It's better than seeing him at 250. Yeah, absolutely. That's good news. Now, all he needs now is his good buddy Antonio Brown in camp to help continue with his development. And, you know, Ron Rivera was asked about Antonio. Brown, and he basically said about wide receiver and left tackle. He said, we've got young players,

we're going to give young players a shot. He also sort of suggested that with no OTAs and no minicamp, it's a bit of a disadvantage when you're new, which seems obvious, where you've got all these young players and you don't get to see them, so you may not find out until much later whether you feel they can play or not. I think that there's a veteran left tackle out there to be Those of you that think that Antonio Brown, that he didn't yesterday eliminate the possibility of signing Antonio Brown, which he didn't when he was asked about it. But if you read the entire quote or listen to it, they're not signing Antonio Brown. I will give you $100, Tommy, if they sign Antonio Brown. I'm not going to give all our listeners $100.

But I will give you— That's disappointing. There's no chance, Antonio Brown. he ends up here, even though it would be great for us. Yeah. Imagine all those people interested in the conversation about Antonio Brown wearing a Redskins uniform. Anyway, I don't think it's going to happen.

All right, what else? That's it for me. I'm done with you. That's it, boss. All right. Everybody, have a great day. I'll be back tomorrow. Don't forget the Team 980, the Team 980.com. This show is available on an app as well. Have a great day.