The Kevin Sheehan Show - Trade For Tunsil + Kinlaw

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

Kevin opened with all of the Washington activity on the first day of legal tampering in NFL Free Agency but the big story for the Commanders wasn't a free agent add, it was the trade for Texans' Pro-Bowl left tackle Laremy Tunsil. Ben Standig/The Athletic jumped on with Kevin to talk about the day and weekend Washington adds and losses.   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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I just missed one show last week, Friday's show. I am here all week on the podcast off radio tomorrow, but Tom will be with me here in studio for. the pod. Ben Standing will jump on with me in about 15 to 20 minutes, something like that. We'll see how long this opening segment starts because we had some action today. All football today, although I am super into college hoops right now. Maryland up to 11th in the latest associated press poll and coaches poll. They finished second in the Big 10.

They're going to play Friday night in the Big Ten quarterfinals. I really want them to do well in Indianapolis this coming weekend. They've never won a Big Ten tournament. They've never even been to the finals of the Big Ten tournament. They haven't been to the semifinals since all the way back in their second year in the league. So I'll have much more for you Terp Hoops fans, and there are many of you later in the week. They'll have a very difficult quarter final game Friday night at 630. It'll likely be Illinois.

But they should be no worse, I think, right now than a four seed in the NCAA tournament, which starts obviously next week. All right. Let's get to it all football here on the show today because free agency's legal tampering period started today at noon and it's been a circus all day long. I'm recording this early evening, so everything we know as of now will be included. If something big happens after we finish recording the show, then you'll hear it on tomorrow's show. But we'll get to, I think, one of the bigger deals of the day in the league, Washington and Houston,

in a big trade that sends five-time Pro Bowl left tackle Laramie Tunsell here to Washington. for a boatload of picks. I'll get into the details of the Tunsel trade. That is really the deal of the day. The deal of the offseason for our team, you know, this is a bigger deal in terms of volume of picks than the Latimore trade for sure. It's possible that something else happens that rivals this. Trey Hendrickson has not been traded as of now by Cincinnati.

There are some reports out there, including from Diana Rusini at the Athletic, that Washington is an interested team in Hendrickson. And the Tunsell deal would not, I don't think, prevent them from doing that deal if they're interested. But as of now, the Laramie Tunsel trade is the biggest move of the offseason. And if we include Latimore, it's still the biggest move they have made here. I'm going to get to that in great detail. But I want to go through all of the other stuff first. The other stuff includes Washington signing New York Jet, former 49er defensive tackle, Javan Kinlaw.

All right. Not Javon Hargrave, Javon Kinlaw. To a three-year, $45 million deal, $30 million guaranteed. Wow, that one caught me off guard. That seems like a lot of money for Kinlaw. That was my first reaction. He was not projected to get that kind of money in free agency. But a lot of these things don't turn out to be right.

The reporting heading into free agency. I mean, look, the Tunsel deal came out of nowhere. Nobody had that. But here's what I would say as far as Kinlaw. If I'm still in the business of benefit of the doubt mode when it comes to Adam Peters and the front office and Dan Quinn, etc. Peters knows the player. He was there in San Francisco when they drafted him in the first round of the 2020 draft at number 14 overall.

They did not pick up his fifth year option and he signed with the Jetson Free Agency last year. Part of the reason they didn't pick up his fifth year option, I would guess, is he was hurt a bunch in San Francisco. his second and third years, he played just 10 total games over 2021 and 2022. And then he had three and a half sacks in 17 games in 2023. Played okay in the postseason, too, when he had the opportunity. He came back in 2022, played, you know, in 2023 right through the Super Bowl. But I don't think many saw Kenlaw getting this kind of deal. But look, the first.

thing I went to look at after the money was a bit jaw-dropping for me is I went to see if he had played anywhere other than defensive tackle. Last year, as a jet, he played 338 of his 697 snaps at defensive end. Not quite half, but nearly half of his snaps at end. We know that this defense needs a defensive end, an edge setter, a run stopper, which, by the way, he was not very good at last year per PFF. A 50.4 was his run-stopping defensive grade. Okay, 60s considered average. So he was less than average as a run stopper. His overall PFF grade was not very good in his season last year as a jet. He did have four and a half sacks, you know, big deal. But his overall PFF FF grade was 53.4. So he was not a guy people thought would get a sizable deal because he didn't

have a great season. But he did play a lot of snaps at defensive ends. So perhaps Peters and Quinn have an idea for a fit here in Washington a way that they want to use him that I think I've got to just trust them. Let's face it, when it comes to defense. line play. If the guy's not a dominant pass rusher, we don't know. DB play the same thing. Scheme and fit really matter when it comes to some of these positions. You know, sometimes, you know, a guy's total production is based on the scheme and the fit. And by the way, who's around him, et cetera. Pure pass rushers, we can see that. DBs, D-Linman, O-Linman, scheme, fit matter. We don't know what we're looking at.

much of the time. He's 6.5, 320 pounds. Washington saw fit to give him 30 million guaranteed, 15 a year, which puts him, by the way, in the top, I think, 18 right now in terms of highest paid defensive tackles. Maybe he's going to play defensive end more. But first blush seems like a lot of money, but maybe there was more competition than anybody thought.

And I've got to believe that Peters and Quinn have a plan for Kinlaw that gets a lot more out of them than the Jets did. Washington still has defensive line needs, but if Kinlaw, by the way, ends up being more interior than End, then Payne Newton Kinlaw they have right now, and they still have a need for an edge setting, run-stopping, pass-rushing, defensive end. Kin-law is not the answer, I don't think, to their pass-rushing need.

defensive end, no matter how many snaps he played there. Khalil Mack did sign back in L.A. with the Chargers. I think Washington had some interest in Khalil Mack, but he stays one year 18 million with Jim Harbaugh. And the Chargers, obviously, Josh Swet signs elsewhere, Trey Hendrickson's still there. I mean, I have no idea if there's any interest in Trey Hendricksson. other than some of the reporting that indicates that Washington's one of the teams kicking the tires on a potential deal.

We'll see. They have not solved the pass rushing need yet. They didn't solve that with Kinlaw. That's for sure. I don't even think they solved for sure their run-stopping needs. But again, I'm going to trust that they've got a plan for him. Other news from today, Diami Brown, Jeremy Chin, gone. Chin two years, 16 million from the Raiders.

Diami Brown, one year, $10 million to play in Jacksonville. Tressway, by the way, staying put, a one-year deal to stay on in Washington. And if you missed it from late yesterday, John Bates is staying, a three-year deal for him. I've not seen the money on that, but I like that move. I thought that they wanted him back. He had a market, many people believe, in free agency, as clearly Diami Brown and Jeremy Chin did. I actually thought Brown's market might be slightly bigger than just one year $10 million. Over the weekend, since I didn't do a show on Friday or Saturday or Sunday, Wagner, Ertz,

Zane Gonzalez, all back on one-year deals, Chris Rodriguez tendered. I still think there's a good chance that Zakias is going to get re-signed. He's not signed elsewhere at this point. There's still a ton of players that are free agents that played here last year. that I think have a chance to come back. I mean, they have a lot of roster spots still to fill, and a lot of those players just won't have the market, and the fit was right for them here. You know, guys like Noah Igben O'Gennie, Marcus Marietta, Fowler Jr.,

you know, some of those guys may have other opportunities, and maybe the team won't want some of those guys back. Certainly not everybody's coming back. And Fowler Jr. actually tweeted out something last night that would indicate that maybe he's not coming back either, but we'll talk to Ben about all of those guys, in addition to everything else that happened today and over the weekend. But let's turn our attention now to really the story of the day, the trade for Laramie Tunsell. The particulars of the deal, Washington sends four draft picks, a third rounder and a seventh rounder from the upcoming draft in 2025,

and a second rounder and fourth rounder from the 2026 draft. You know, a lot of those future picks are somewhat discounted in the eyes of, you know, NFL general managers and front office people, but still four total picks, a third, a seventh, a second, and a fourth, and they get the player back along with a fourth rounder from Houston. Houston's fourth rounder is near the end of the fourth round. and Washington's third rounder, remember, was part of the Jahan Dotson trade. That pick actually originated in Miami, so it's number 79 overall in the third round. Washington's left with five total draft choices, by the way, for the upcoming draft.

They've got a first and a second. They also have a fourth, and they've got two sevenths left after all of the trading, which is where I want to start with this. Because before I get to the player and the specifics of the trade, Washington has now traded since the November trade deadline, eight draft picks for three players, a third, fourth, and fifth for Latimore, a fifth rounder for Debo Samuel,

and four picks for Laramie Tunsell. Yeah, they got to pick back from the Saints in the Latimore deal, and they got to pick back for Tunsell. but whether you view it as eight draft picks or net six, that's a lot of draft picks over the next two drafts for just three players. This is pretty much the definition of win now thinking. I don't have a problem with it. It's what I've advocated for in this offseason. We've talked about the window.

You know, the window with Jaden's rookie contract. Their behavior makes it clear that they view this as a window as well. They are thinking about what they need to contend for a Super Bowl in 2025. 2026 as well, but, you know, Debo is about 2025. Now, the thinking doesn't always produce at the level that the thinking wants to produce at. We've talked about that. You know, free agency isn't great this year. players decide to stay where they are or sign elsewhere.

You know, you can't control who comes to you. But their thinking is pretty obvious. You know, they see what I was hoping they would see and what the Latimore deal really was the first big reveal on the way they were thinking, which is we got the quarterback right. He is sensational. We got the coaching staff right. We've got a few players that we're.

got right in our first off-season. We got a chance to do really well in 2024, which is part of the reason they made the Latimore deal. Now, Latimore, thankfully, was not a rental because there were more years left on his contract. And we'll see how that deal shakes out, how he ends up playing. But they entered really the trade deadline and now this off-season in win now mode. It doesn't always produce a volume of great players in free agency or even a shitload of spending in free agency because sometimes it's not great in free agency

and the players aren't there. But they've made three trades. They've traded eight picks since November. So that's number one. Now, this trade, number two, is a trade which nobody saw coming. Man, they are stealth. Also, I would add, number three,

I don't know why Houston makes this trade. Not that Washington got the better of it, because I think it was kind of pricey, but because they've got a young quarterback, and their offensive line was a problem this year other than Tunsell. All right, let's get to the player. I mean, look, big picture, Washington is

treating this time frame as in we got a window to win it all. They're trying to go for it. They're trying to be aggressive. The Latimore trade was the beginning of that mindset being sort of revealed. Eight total picks traded later. It's obvious what they're thinking. And of the eight picks traded for three players, this was a big one. Tunsell.

All right. Five-time pro bowler. One of the better left tackles in the game since he was drafted in 2016. He's not Trent Williams, in my opinion. I've seen a lot of the Trent Williams comps, and certainly the trade timeline in their careers nearly matches up Trent. Remember, you know, had that year off because of the cancer scare and, you know, he sat out. And he was traded heading into his age 32 season after not playing the year before. Tunsell is 30 going into was age 31 season, but let me just say, I don't think Laramie Tunsell is in the class of

Trent Williams, but he's been a very good player. Remember how it started for him? The draft of 2016, the night of the draft, 10 minutes before the draft was going to start. His Twitter account showed a video of him wearing a gas mask and smoking weed through a huge bong. His agent immediately said that the account was hacked, but a lot of teams took him off the board entirely. He was supposed to go top six, seven. The Ravens had a need. The Titans had a need. They picked at six and eight.

And then eventually he got picked at number 13 by the Miami Dolphins. He played three years in Miami. He got traded to the Texans in a huge deal after the 2019 season, which included a lot of players. and two first round picks coming back to Miami. I mean, it was considered to be a huge trade that favored the dolphins in the moment. Remember, Tunsell actually played guard in his rookie year before moving to tackle in his second season as a dolphin. He didn't make any Pro Bowls in his three years in Miami, but he has made the Pro Bowl at left tackle in five of his six seasons. as a Houston Texan. The only season he didn't make it in was 2021. He missed that season after having

thumb surgery, or he missed the majority of that season, had thumb surgery that ended that year. No all pro teams for Laramie Tunsell, but a very good player. Now, me personally, I've never thought of Larry Me Tunsell the way I've thought of Trent Williams, the way in recent years I've thought of Tristan Worf's or Jordan Milata, especially last year. You know, last year, Tunsell finished 10th overall in pass block win rate per next gen. 39th in run block win rate. Not super impressive as a run blocker. He's been very impressive as a pass protector.

So this is what they're investing in. They're investing in Jaden Daniels with this trade, in protecting their prized possession. Also, by the way, just an FYI, he led the league in penalties last year, led the entire league with 17 penalties. Twelve of them were false starts, 12 false starts, just two holding penalties. He was ninth in penalties in 2023, fifth in 2022. He's got two years left on his deal. He'll be a $21.3 million cap hit next year and the year after. Will they extend him?

I would think they would, right? I mean, you still have to get Terry extended here in this offseason, but I would think they've got to extend him beyond 2026 for the price they paid. You know, Debo Samuel for a fifth rounder is a no-brainer. And you don't extend him because you want him to play in a contract year and prove that he can play and play healthy and play well before you even think about it. You could potentially lose him, but you're not good. not extending Debo for a fifth rounder, but for four picks, you know, and the position he plays,

yeah, I'd think he's going to get extended. I'll ask Ben, I would think there's a pretty good chance. I would bet it's better than 50-50 that he's going to get extended. Whether it happens between the, you know, now and the beginning of the season, I don't know, but certainly before the end, before free agency next year, you don't want him to go into 2026, age 32 season with a chance to hit unrestricted free agency, do you? So Pencil Laramie Tunselin at left tackle. He will be their best pass protecting left tackle since Trent Williams. Where does Brandon Coleman go? Well, maybe right tackle, maybe inside. Another subject for Ben is just to

find out what the deal with Sam Cosmi is. Like how many games will he miss? That serious injury happened in a off game. Let's not forget. So, you know, there's a chance they're not going to have cause me to begin the year. But what we do know is Brandon Coleman is not their left tackle. You know, not of the near future. Anyway, they're not going to draft a tackle. Now, we can pretty safely say that at number 29 overall. So now the focus of the draft, you know, at least as of the recording of this podcast is D-end, you know, pass-rusher, defensive end, corner, running back, wide receiver, I guess. It's not a great wide receiver draft. It's a great running back draft. I mean, you can, you know, one of the things I was thinking about with their picks,

which, you know, now they don't have a lot of those middle round picks. They get the fourth rounder back from Houston was maybe a running back, but now they may have to, if they really want one, they might have to use their second round pick on a back. But we do know that Brandon Coleman's not starting at left tackle next year, Laramie Tunsell is, and they're not drafting a tackle in the first round, not even the second round. You can safely say they're not going to draft a tackle in the first two rounds, although they do draft based on best player available, so who knows.

But I am stunned by the trade. I'm also glad that they're investing in the trenches. You know, number one, you know, part of my off-season priority list was culture continuation. You know, Wagner, Ertz, you know, Chin and even Marioita, you know, Wagner and Ert so far back. Defense, specifically edge-setting D-N that can also rush the passer. Figure out corner, Latimore, what you're going to do there. O-line trenches. you know, maybe a left tackle.

I have having my notes when I was giving you sort of this window number one off-season priority list. And then I got to, you know, another number two wide receiver or running back another playmaker. And I also listed a kicker as something on that list. But yeah, that's a wow trade today, for sure. I think Ronnie Stanley may have been a target for Washington, he resigned in Baltimore. So, you know, if Stanley, if they had made some progress there, who knows, well, they wouldn't have done the Tunsell deal clearly. But, man, nothing did we know about this deal at any point, at any point. Still more to come. You know, I mentioned, you know,

Trey Hendrickson. I think there's still a chance. I have no idea. They have draft capital left. You know, they got a second rounder. Not a lot of draft capital left. They still have plenty of cap space, and they're going to, you know, reconfigure Terry's contract to lower that number for this year. But I have no clue, you know, other than some of the reporting out there,

like Diana Rusini's reporting, that Washington's one of the teams interested in Trey Hendrickson. That would be another bombshell, but you know what? You wouldn't give up as much for Hendrickson as you gave up for Tundsul. No way. But that, you know, the age of Tunsel, the number of draft picks, you know, all of this stuff is, you know,

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You can get it anywhere you get a podcast. So there's so much to cover. But I think we start with, I think, clearly the number one story of the day of the weekend, really of the offseason, even going back to the Latimore deal, the trade for Laramie Tunsell, your reaction? So I'm sitting here watching, you know, the first day of legal tampering go by here,

and we've already seen a lot of moves happen in the league the last few days of teams keeping their guys for the most part. And I'm watching some of these names go by, Kaleel Mack, resigns, with the chargers, Josh Swettos, Cardinals, you know, Chris Godwin, save it's a box, and you just keep seeing more and more of these names.

It's already a weak pre-agent class, and yet they weren't doing that much. Yeah, they had already signed Javon Kinlaw, but we'll get to that. And you're kind of like, wait a minute, like what is kind of going on here right now? What are they saving their money for? You know, even if you go with, like,

an upgraded version of what they did last year, where they, you know, they sound like more Frankie Louvus, It's still not quite there. It doesn't seem like, you know, what do they do? Where's the move? And then out of nowhere comes Laramie Tunsel. And, you know, you talk about, like, what does this team need? And, you know, for me, it was only basically edge rusher and offensive tackle and everything else they need, but those are secondary matters.

And the edge rusher part, they could have, they could sign a vet, and maybe they still will. But the draft gives them some good options there. It's considered to be a really deep position. The offensive tackle, if they wanted help in free agency, none existed. I mean, Ronnie Stanley re-tigned the race in the yesterday, or earlier, earlier that was earlier a couple days ago. And the next guy was like Dan Moore, who's like a generic starter, and he got like $21 million on average.

So like that's going to be the cost. And then apparently, I guess, the Texan to let people know that Laramie Tunsel, one of the best tackled in the league, was available. Adam Peters decided to spend. And yes, they gave up a lot of picks, but if they wanted to improve in a position that's kind of important for Jackie Daniel, both in terms of just his ability to stay in the pocket clean and avoid getting hit, this is a pretty, you know, a pretty significant deal to

make. And like I said, they didn't have really any other option. So I don't know where this opportunity came from. I don't know if something that happened at the last minute or something they've been thinking about for days, you know, I don't know. but that it's fascinating that it kind of came out of nowhere because like I said, I'm sitting here watching going, what are they doing right now?

There must be something out there, but just based on for agency, I couldn't figure out what it was. You said something that I want to just go back to before we come back to Tunsell, and that is, you mentioned, I think, Kaleel Mack. Are you considering, you know, a deal for Trey Hendrickson to be a possibility still? I mean, they still have a second round pick.

They still have cap space. They still have the need. We'll talk about Ken law here in a little bit. But I don't know, but I'm still somewhat considering that as a possibility. Are you? I mean, I'm not discounting anything, but I would be, I mean, I'd be fairly stunned at this point if they traded their first or second round pick for that. It's to be trading down when they get to the draft.

More picks, that's one thing. You know, they just took on Tumsel's contract. He's going to, you know, cap hits around $21 million, you know, each of the next two years as of now. And I imagine that deal is going to come with an extension for him or some type of restructuring deal to lower the cap. It can give him, you know, longer, you know, more money over more years. Plus, the Terry McCorn extension that's still out there. They just, do you know, Debo Samuel is only for one year, but it's, you know, $17 million, roughly. they still have cap space, but, like, I think at some point here,

I think Adam Peters wants to build through the draft, but this whole situation has come out of nowhere in terms of Washington being a contender much earlier than anyone that dissipated, thanks to Jane Daniels for the most part. He still wants to build the core for this team. This was a pretty old team last year. It hasn't necessarily gotten younger, and, you know, they want to build something sustainable over time.

So I guess my point is, like, you have to build, you have to get draft picks at some point. They're down to five. I can justify the five because they had nine last year that equals four, you know, seven on average. So, okay, you'll do that kind of math. But they've also already given away two more picks next year, including a second. So at this point, I'd be pretty floored if they made a move for Trey Anderson. Yeah, but, you know, we've had so many conversations over the last many months.

And you've been kind of hardcore on, you know, they're not thinking about now. They're thinking about the future. And I'm not saying that you didn't come off that thinking when they traded for Latimore, even though there is some, you know, life to the Latimore deal beyond the season. But to me, this trade is win now mode, right? That this trade for Laramie Tunsell, along with just, you know, all of the draft picks that they've dealt over, you know, since the trade deadline is a clear indication now that they are trying to take advantage of this rookie contract, Jaden Daniels, window.

You agree with that now, right? No. I don't think I do in the sense that, okay, look, he's traded away a bunch of picks, but he still has his first and second this year. The reason I've not liked the idea of a Miles Garrett or Trey Hendrickson is you're going to have to give up those picks. And to me, it feels like that's where Adam Peters may be drawn. the line. Like, at some point he can't just give way all the picks. I mean, again, like, this is the thing. Like, in the NBA, right, we know that one or two or three guys can make

all the difference, and they already have one guy in Jaden Daniels. But I don't know that, like, just because you get a tonsil or a pass rusher, that all of a sudden everything is fixed, I have improved, but there's too many positions on a field. So I don't know that it would be, like, all fixed. And again, you're not getting, you're still old. Like, if the next two, years go by, and you've done these things to get a 30-year-old Hendrickson and a Tumphill's 31 and all that, where are you? Well, I think you just answered the question. The fact that Tonsul's 31 and Debo is older and, by the way, banged up, I'm not saying

that Debo for a fifth round pick is a big swing, but Lattimore and Tonsal are sizable swings. You're trading away future picks, what should be, you know, the foundation. of your roster two, three years down the road for players that can help you win now? But remember, this team had nothing. I understand that. Right. I mean, I don't know.

I mean, look, I think they're going for. If they're going for it, then yeah, just trade every pick away. I just don't think that's the way to do it, though. I mean, people have to be available. People have to be available. Right, but see, I don't give a crap what they give any guy on a one-year deal. He got a one-year deal. Debo's on a one-year deal.

Give whatever you want. I mean, obviously, you have a cap to deal with this year, but like that doesn't matter. Latimore's got more years left in his deal, as does Tunsell. Those are the-Latimore. But Latimore's two-year deal, they can get out of it today if they wanted to with no dead cap, at least after the year. So there's some built-in guardrails there. Tunsel, sure, but like obviously the point with Tunsel specifically is it directly affects the

quarterback. Whereas the defense event, it affects the team and there, ergo the quarterback, but not in such a direct way. So they are choosing to protect Jane Daniels. They recognize, as I pointed out, a bunch of times, of Brandon Coleman's probably not their anterior left tackle.

But again, there were just no ways to fix that easily. The best you could do a draft a guy in the first round, which means they'd have another working over there, and you're hoping for that works. And so, also, you're not locking yourself into probably having to take a guy, in the first round, if you don't do anything now.

So, look, they have a lot to do on defense. The defensive line is berefts of bodies. They're missed – they don't have no – missing a starting safety. They only have two cornerbacks on the roster. They've got a lot more to do. So, I don't know. I'm just saying, like, I think they've made a lot of moves to improve the team, but I just be hard-pressed to believe that Adam Peters.

I mean, going for it. James was playing for the next 15 years if they're fortunate. Like, I mean, they have this three-year window. We're getting into semantics. They've traded eight draft choices over the last three months, four months. Yeah, but they had a lot. They had nine picks last year. It doesn't matter.

If you're in a longer-term mode thought or even a medium-term, you know, frame of mind, you're not trading away eight draft choices, you know, since the trade deadline. But again, but to say they traded away eight draft picks, I mean, yeah, that includes two next year, but like, they have five now. Like, I don't care about next year yet because the whole season to go. We'll see where things look at that point.

Like, they had picks to go. Like, it's not, you know, I don't know. They still over first, it's still of a second. That's the bulk of everybody's trade, everybody's draft. If you trade away those picks and you still have, like, a fourth and a fifth, well, that would be a different story. But I don't think they're in all-in mode yet. I'm glad they have their first and their second round pick available as of today.

And you're probably right. They'll still have them available when we get to the end of April. I just think that when you trade all those picks for three players, it says something about your mindset right now. And you said something earlier about one-year deals, and you don't think that means anything to sort of the approach. I would disagree with you. I think, you know, in the case of Debo Samuel, a fifth rounder for one year,

it totally means it's about right now. It's about you got to provide us with a Debo Samuel type of year in 2025 because we think we can win the Super Bowl if you do that. Let me just ask you real quickly because I talked about this in the open to the show as it relates to Tunsell. What percent chance do you give to Washington extending him? him. He's under contract in 25, 26. What percent chance do you give that they'll give him a new contract? 90?

Yeah, but I guess that's different, though. I mean, again, Debo, okay, again, you're extending him into his mid-30s, though, at that point. Well, but, I mean, but tackles play a while. I mean, Trent Williams is foregoing. I mean, I mean, if they had gone out and signed the equivalent of Laramie Tunsel, we're talking like a five, year deal, roughly $30 million a year, give or take, right? I mean, that's just going to be what it would be most likely somewhere in that. Maybe I'm off on the money, but somewhere in that range. So, like, you know, at the moment, at least he's on a deal for two years for decent money. They logically probably want to drop the salary cap number and give him a little more money, so that's why you extend it.

Maybe it's only an extra year, we'll see. But, like, that is directly related to the quarterback. I don't care if they're going forward or not. You have to help David Daniel. So independent of everything else, the Pumple deal makes sense for the quarterback. The Meebo, they gave up a fifth and the money for one year, I don't care. And last year, we know that the Marshall and Lannimore thing, they quarterback with a massive hole for them.

Now, he didn't necessarily help them a lot with it, as we know for the barrier things. But like, that was also a last year thing, too, because they were shockingly in the mix. So I don't think the things necessarily add up to. They're going for it. I just think that they add up to. You know what? We're arguing probably over semantics to a certain degree, but let's just put it this way. If they didn't feel like Jaden Daniels had a chance to lead them to a Super Bowl next year,

or even this past year, Marshawn Latimore and Laramie and Laramie Tunsel would not be on this team. Debo Samuel would not be on this team right now. They would have looked at similar deals to the ones that they did last year or younger players. for a longer period of time. But that's the whole point of this. If they had won six games or seven games, like most of the world was projecting, then you're right. They've got necessarily making those deals.

But they won 12 games and made the NFC Championship game. Right. And they got a rookie quarterback, a rookie contract quarterback. But that said, like the roster, they still have, what, like 24. Well, I get that blot up, 20-odd, free agents, give or take at this point. They still have a ton of roster holes. to Phil, I really find it hard to believe that they looked at the team and said to themselves, you know what? We're like two players away from the Super Bowl. I don't buy that.

I don't buy that. I don't buy that. I don't buy that. But is that what we're talking about? No, that's not what I'm talking about. That's not what I'm talking about. But I mean, I'll think the Lattermore already happens. But that's, that's different. Well, that was just the first indication of the mindset. And it had changed from where it was, you know, before the season began, because they weren't expecting to be set in two. Right, but again, I think we're getting the semantic. He also was to help them last year. Last year is a different year than this year.

So it's not going for it. Last year was last year, they made the move, but it was fine. I mean, we'll see what he does this year. But I'm just saying, like, now, you know, like, they've got Debo, they got Lammery Tunsel. They acquired Trey Henderson. We're saying that they think there were three players away from making the Super Bowl, and I just find that hard to believe.

Well, no, that's not what we're saying. We're saying that why aren't we saying that? Well, because that may not be enough, but they're trying to get enough back, but, you know, there may not be enough out there to do everything they want to do. It's got to be available. I mean, you already went through with three agents. Well, Trey Hendrickson is available. Let's see whether or not they have the ability to land him.

Maybe they won't have the right package. They don't control that. No, I get that, but let's just say it's a second round pick. is the cost, which, you know, depending on who you listen to, maybe it's a case, plus he's going to get paid, you know, $30-something million of the year. But, okay, let's say they do that. I'm just saying, like, which is kind of what you're suggesting, because this is how it all started. You asked me, I blew off Trey Hendrickson. I'm saying, okay, so at that point, they are saying that they're getting three main players puts them there with the Eagle.

Of course, they have to get the other stuff, but at that point, you're just going for lower-range stuff because you've just given away all your picks. Yeah. And a lot of your cap say, so I'm saying at that point, are they really a contender? I don't know. They're building it responsibly right now, and if, in fact, they have a first and second round pick, that adds to what they did last year. Maybe you trade out of the first and get more picks and keep going from there. But whatever.

I mean, again, I'd be surprised that they make the Hendrickson deal after this, assuming he's even going to be traded. They need a lot more stuff still, and I think they're going to get younger to Let me just say, it wasn't the Hendrickson thing that really started this part of the conversation. It was me asking you or assuming that you thought that this trade, and in combination with Latimore in particular, in the fact that eight draft picks have now been dealt since, you know, the month of November.

So we're talking about three months, four months, they've dealt eight draft picks, that they are certainly in the mode of trying to win the Super Bowl right now. with Jaden on a rookie contract, and you said, no, I don't think that way. Because as far as Hendrickson goes, I just brought it up because he's still out there. And that still is a major need. And so I have no idea if they're going to get Trey Hendrickson or if they're even interested in Trey Hendrickson anymore.

They may not like the player for all we know for whatever reason. But that wasn't what sparked the conversation about are they going for it or not. You have said for a while now, going back pre-Latimore, post-Latimore, I think you sort of acknowledged that they had a change in mindset, as of course they did because they had a quarterback that was way outperforming even the loftiest of hope and expectation before the season started. I think when you trade away eight picks in four months for two players, or three players, that you're trying to get,

You know, you're trying to get to a Super Bowl as quickly as possible. And I think that's part of the mindset of giving up all those picks. So let me say this. I don't disagree that I largely have more conservative than others when it comes to these trades. Except that, I've been, I think, pretty much 100% right on what's happened. Because every time we talk about a trade, it's for some position to make zero sense. It's some crazy wide receiver or something that's not offensive line. Like that's the only thing that you should be trading a lot for because that's a foundation for your team.

You still don't have on either line prior to the Tonsville trade. You didn't have like any obvious stud anywhere. I mean, Duran Payne, I'm not counting him anymore, right? So they needed to establish themselves on the line, which they hadn't done. I agree. But also then, like, Lattimore. I haven't been advocating for them to trade for a big-time wide receiver. To me, it's all about defense and the trenches.

more than anything else since the season ended. Sure. But like with Lattimore, again, independent of what he did, my whole point was, they're not doing it for a rental, which if you go back to the conversation everybody was having, that was largely what they were talking about. But Lattimore was under contract for two more years, so that made total sense. The Debo, again, it's one year. I don't care what he gets paid as the fifth-round pick.

You know, I will see what he does. I mean, again, I don't, you know, there's questions about how he'll produce, but, okay, that's a separate issue. And then, you know, again, here, it's, you know, other than quarterback, it's the most important position on offense. So I don't really, I have no issue really with anything they've done. And I think, to me, they're being conservative while being aggressive because they didn't do something stupid like people want to do, like trade for T. Higgins or God knows what. So, like, I think that Adam Peters have been pretty responsible. And also the eight picks, it's not exactly eight picks.

I mean, one, they did get. Yeah, because they got a couple back. They got a fourth and a fifth. for Latimore and a fourth back for Tunsel. Right. So it's a net six. They traded away some of these picks and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And so, right.

Let me just say this about Latimore, though, with respect to what you just said. Because, yes, it's true. And I was very happy that they traded for Latimore and they weren't looking for a rental. I would not have been in favor of a rental just for 2024. But they would have never made that trade at the time that they made. made it had they not been thinking about trying to go super deep into the postseason and contend for a Super Bowl in 2024. Both things are true. They had the future in mind, but they also had the immediate in mind as well, or they just would have waited until after the season to try to make

that trade. Well, I mean, I haven't, so much has been happening to have lost track of like all the other deal that don't involve Washington, but like, you know, to a quiet, if they don't make the Adamor trade, they would then have to get a cornerback now in free agency, and that would probably cost them more for equivalent player, or they'd have to overspend for somebody who's not as good because they've got to get somebody, you know, whatever. So it was also like, it was also like Adam Peters on some weird level, potentially saving money and not having to worry about bidding. So, of course, it was a short and a long-term deal. That's all. That would just, look, at least agree there was a 20-24 part of it, and there was a 2025 and 2020.

part of it. And I think... Yeah, that's what I've been saying, yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, when you talked about it before, you focused more on the fact that they didn't do the deal for 2024. But I think you do think part of it was for 2024. All right. We have a lot more to discuss. Like, why so much money for Kinlaw? And what else could be coming? We've already discussed Trey Hendrickson. Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. I got to take a quick, break and then we'll be back on the other side with Ben Standing after these words from a few of our sponsors. So most of us wear underwear every day, but when was the last time you changed the type of underwear that you wear? I had someone tell me recently that they hadn't changed the brand

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right tackle? So this is where I think the Tunsel move potentially is, whereas I wouldn't have felt the same way about just getting a really good defensive end. A tungsten. comfortable move, maybe it really improves the line. If Brandon Coleman at another position truly developed into something that they, you know, hopefully think he can be like a legitimate starter with upside, right? But he did not, you know, it was fine last year or times, but, you know, clearly there was a lot of times were struggling as well. And it seemed like a lot of early stats, Jaden Daniels, what was getting hit on were coming

from the left side. So the question is now what does he move to right tackle? well, maybe. I mean, Andrew Wiley's in the last year of his deal. Andrew Wiley was, I know he was not a crowd favorite after the previous game, but he was solid. And for the money, he doesn't cost much, but okay, the money doesn't really matter at the moment. You know, I don't know that. It's interesting, right? If they think Coleman, ultimately do they think Coleman's a tackle or a guard? If they think he's a guard,

well, you've got the opening at right guard for now with Sam Cosmy being out, probably at least for the start of the season. Maybe Coleman or Al-Garman, ready battle for the left guard, one of them goes to right, or the other option is Coleman goes to right tackle, and Wiley, who had played guard with the Chiefs, moves to, moves to guard. I don't know necessarily what they think, so that's to be determined, but the point for me would be if Coleman develops the way they think he can at a position that's not as stressful, I guess you could say, as left tackle, and now they've improved their line dramatically in two spots, plus Biotic, when you get Toggi back, you're looking at potentially like

four guys who are, you know, I don't want to go crazy here and compare them to the hogs or anything, but like you've got, I've got four guys who are going, wait a minute, that's a massive upgrade over where they were in the last year of Ron Rivera. So that, that to me is why this is fascinated, because if they've gone back to the same line, you know, I don't know really where that's going. Now they may have upgraded significantly, and, you know, they even have a little bit of depth, again, because if Wiley is sort of the swing guy all of a sudden. So I think that to me is potentially significant.

Again, it just depends on how they view Coleman and how does he develop. But they seem to be pleased with him, but just obviously, as I said at the combine, when I asked both Quinn and Peters, as he's the left tackle the future, and neither one of them was committing to it, that said to me, okay, well, they don't think he's the guy because otherwise you just say it. And that proved to be accurate. Now the question is, where do they think he's looking at? When is Sam Cosmi going to be ready to play?

I don't know that we've talked about that enough. Like, the injury came obviously very late in the playoffs. Do we have an idea as to whether or not Sam Cosmi will be ready for the beginning of next year? I mean, you know, medical science advances all the time. You never know. But with ACLs, you know, I'm always sort of like nine months at sort of like the quick, turn around. I mean, you know, if you want to tell me seven or eight, I mean, God bless. But generally like nine, I mean, you get the nine months, you're already past September, right?

So that's just, that's just to get back to doing anything, let alone practicing and getting a shape and all that. So in my head, I'm kind of ruling him out for the first two months of the year. Not in terms of maybe he gets on the field, but in terms of like him being a real presence or them thinking, hey, he's going to be out there full time. So that's kind of where I'm out. But no, we don't have a definitive update. He hadn't even had surgery. at the time that we spoke to them to Peters and Quinn at the end of the season. Unfortunately, I guess we didn't ask about it when we saw Quinn and Peters at the Combine. It was a lot of the topics to get to.

So my guess would be September feels like the earliest. And, you know, that's just to, you know, that's not necessarily even if they haven't practiced a lot. All right. Let's get to the Kenlaw signing. three years, $45 million, $30 million guaranteed. I forget if I talked to you shortly after it happened. I talked to several people and texted back and forth with several people. It seemed like a lot of money for Javon Kinlaw.

What did you think? So, you know, when we get to like, you know, there are certain players in the league we all have a feel for because we watch football. But when you get to other, you know, deeper down, in the order of free agents and linemen and especially guys who are coming off the bench, you know, you kind of have to rely a lot on other people to give you information, whether that's, you know, a reporter getting into talk to people, a scout or other teams or, you know, in the case of like these top 100 free agent lists that every kind of website has.

And it's possible I missed some because I didn't look at every list, but I didn't see Devon Kinlaw anywhere. In fact, when I first saw the move, I was like, oh, you know what, there's another, because I'm always looking for the former Peters and Quinn guys, right? I was like, oh, you know what? Kind of forgot about him a little bit. I knew, you know, his San Francisco career kind of gotten washed out because of injuries and, okay, you know, he was a backup on the Jets. The Jets had a lot of other things going on last year, so he wasn't exactly a headliner.

And you look at the numbers, and look, he did play in 61% of the snaps coming off the bench, no starts. He did have four and a half stacks, which is a career high. So there's some interesting stuff. What? To get that kind of money when nobody is viewing him as a top 100 player, in for agency, again, the outside world, it sure feels like an overpay.

Now, I did talk to somebody with another team about this a little bit earlier, somebody high up an organization, and I was like, what do you think? And they're like, well, look, he's actually a pretty good player, and if he's healthy, then he could actually be worth the money for them. And, you know, so take that for what it's worth. You look at his snaps last year in particular, while he mostly played defensive tackle with San Fran.

Last year was closer, not quite, but almost 50% of the snaps. Yeah. Or at end. And obviously we know that they need an edge defender, not necessarily an edge pass rusher, but that too, but an edge defender. So I guess based on that, they're looking at him as the guy opposite of Armstrong to give them that, you know, run protection on early downs. and then, you know, I don't know if that's Dante Fowler

or they bring in somebody else, but then you'll have the pass rush specialist to come in. It feels like an overpay. I'm assuming that Adam Peters is aware what the market was, and there must have been other teams bidding it up, but on the surface it feels like an overpay for a guy that, you know, unfortunately injuries have kind of messed up with his career, but, you know, if we're going to do the whole impetus,

he trusts, then I guess we have to go with it, especially since he knows the guy. but yeah, based on the public information, it feels a bit of an overpay. Yeah, I said the following. When you, and you kind of started down that path a little bit, because we don't know what the league knows and what coaches know about certain positions, you know, and this would be one of them. Like, they may, and here's why, you know, you have to trust in Peters. if they have a plan for a player that they don't know, and that player really hasn't played that role,

or maybe they thought he could coming out, and it wasn't implemented that way with Sala or anybody else, you know, along the way, because obviously he brought him to the Jets after he'd been the de-coordinator in San Francisco during his first couple of years. I just, sometimes I just kind of put to the side, like, I don't know what is on Adam Peters and Dan Quinn's mind. This guy played a lot of snaps, as you said, at end.

He had played some snaps at end previous to what he did in New York this year in San Francisco. They need an edge setter. They may have an idea to use him in a certain way that they think he's going to excel in. And we can just look at he was terrible against the run per PFF numbers and per other advanced numbers, but they may have an idea about playing him in a certain way that he didn't play last year or the year before. But it's still, based on what you said, the projection of what he was going to get before free agency started seemed like way higher than any. had projected. But competition can change those things. If, you know, if his agent is saying, well, we got two or three teams that are thinking about using him in the exact same way,

and they're willing to pay that I'm not, like, I don't want to sit here and say that I think Adam Peters got taken to the cleaners, because I don't think that's happened once so far in the last year that we know of anyway. I guess the Latimore thing could ultimately turn out to be that. Who knows? It's just a matter of, they've got a vision for this guy, clearly. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, not to prove a bad name from the past, but beyond the fact that Albert Hainsworth proved to be the teammate person that he kind of was, the thing that thing was so stupid about that whole thing was his,

this was a guy who was just a defensive player that year at defensive tackle, they sign him and say, now you're going to play a different position. Yeah. Like that never made any sense regardless of his, portion of the debacle. So, yeah, obviously you would think that they have an idea. And, you know, I mean, look, again, Peters had them. And, you know, it's, look, you know, we've seen Washington, whether it was Rivera

or even a little bit last year, used three tackles at a time. To some degree, it's kind of like that. What I would say is that I would now, if you said to me, what are the percent of chances of they take certain positions in the first round? If they stay with that pick, boy, at this point, I don't know how. not taking an edge rusher, because they still don't have a potentially high-level three-down player. Like, Dorrance Armstrong was solid last year, but showed limitations, which is why he was, you know, more of a role player with Dallas, okay? And Kim Law, like, I don't think you're necessarily having him in there on third and long to get after the quarterback.

So, like, they still are lacking patrushers, right? I mean, like, John Allen, even though he'd only had, what, three and a half sacks last year, in between injuries, you know, he was at least a pass rusher. Duran Payne, although he has one year, has never been one. Johnny Newton, but, yeah, he has that potential, we'll see. So the defensive, like, their pass rushing right now is pretty non-existent. And we don't even know if Fowler is coming back, and I don't think he's getting 10.5 sacks again. So, like, they've got to figure out a way to get more pass-rush.

But clearly the edge, the run defense was so, abysmal last year and, you know, the Eagles, their direct opponent, you know, crush them in that regard. So I get why that's a top, a hot topic for them, but it doesn't change the fact they're still without any kind of three-down presence at that spot. But again, you know, there are still some names out there. I mean, it could still, Darrius Smith is a guy that's out there, DeMarcus Lawrence, although I don't know what the interest level there is at the point with him. But, you know, so there's still some options, but, yeah, we'll see. It's a curious move to say the least, but

yes, to the point I don't know a little crazy, but yes, I mean, at this point we have to believe that Peters has a good handle on this, and he and Quinn thought about it, and we'll see what happens. I think a better Albert Haynesworth, you know, example would have been

Jamon Davis. That was even worse. Right. I mean, because he was a rookie trying to change to a brand new position. And by the way, a much harder position than the one that he had played. All right. So today, and we'll go backwards after today, Diami Brown signs elsewhere, and so does Jeremy Chin. This was always a possibility.

I'm curious as to whether or not you know how hard, if at all, Washington tried to keep both of those players. Can you imagine if I told you even in December that Diommy Brown was getting one or 10 million. I mean, boy, that's great. And I saw somebody say that they thought that he, they're surprised, he only got 10. I mean, he has an upside to get to 12. That's what I was going to say is I actually thought I read a couple of times last

week that there was a possibility he was going to get more than that. And by the way, multiple years. But go ahead. Well, and this is, you know, there's certain traits that players have that generate interest in speed is one of them. And he has that. And look, he did play well. in the playoffs and even later in the season.

So good to him, good on him for improving and growing, good on the team for helping him to help him into a guy that became a viable player for them. I don't know to what end was Washington was like, yeah, we're tagging out on this. My guess is that like once it got to a certain point, they were probably like, we can still bring in Noah Brown, bring back Noah Brown and Alameda is a keyist and there's other receivers. So, you know, best of luck, but we'll probably have to move on. Chin, you know, I mean, I mean, interest, yes, but I kind of was wondering, and it could still happen, I guess.

There were a lot of safeties on the market this year that were viewed as better than Chinn. Javon Holland being one of them, maybe? Yeah, Javon Hohan, Trayvon Mowrig, who got signed, a couple other buying them, right, who got signed by the Colts. You know, maybe they were like, hey, we don't have the bill. This is a free lackluster group, a free agent. overall, so maybe we can at least pinch up somewhere. Anyway, so I think there was interesting Chin, but he signed on day one, got two years, I think what, 18,000, 75% of it guaranteed at signing. So pretty good deal for Chin, and look, I think he really improved a lot. That's a

legit hole. They're going to have to fill, but yeah, I mean, you know, look, safety is not one of the positions that you typically look to spend on, which is, I know I'm going against what it just said about pinching up there, but like, so if that's a guy they lose, you know, can't keep everybody and, you know, which is the best. But, you know, it's not, the money isn't so insane that they couldn't have kept them. So I'm presuming that, you know, for them, they just tapped out at some point. Yeah. You know, and at wide receiver right now, they still only have three players under contract. So there's going to be some activity there. Zakias hasn't signed anywhere as of now. Crowder hasn't. You mentioned Noah

Brown. So those guys are all possibilities. but it's Debo, Luke McCaffrey, and Terry McClure. That's it, right? Currently under contract? I think as we record this, yeah. And like I said, I kind of think that, you know, that Noah Brown and Zekees probably both come back. I'm not reporting that or anything, but that's my sense of my gut feeling. The thing is, though, if that's your top five, there's no speed there.

I mean, you have under Terry McCorn fast, but I mean, he needs the over-the-top guy, like the Army was at times, and they don't have that. So that's going to be interesting for me. If they bring Brown and the key is back, where do the speed come from? Could be the draft, but then, again, who's playing when and all that stuff? All right. Let's rip through some of these names. Of the players so far that they've re-signed, you know, Wagner, Ertz, Bates,

Tressway, today, the kicker, Zane Gonzalez, I would expect some competition for him. they tendered Rodriguez. Any of that surprise you? No. I think, you know, Wagner, Ertz, Bates, Way. I mean, certainly Wagner, Ertz, and Way felt like relative no-brainers. I only wonder with Wagner was just something like, did he want to go back to the West Coast, but obviously he was cool.

So none of that surprised me. Bates, he was one guy where I was like, okay, he's going to have more of a market that people think, and that's reflected in the fact they got three years. Right. I don't know the terms. I don't know the terms, but, you know, three years says, hey, there were going to be going to be options if you let it pay for agency. And, you know, he's only going into his, you know, he's only going into his,

if years, he was a younger guy, and, you know, they need, you know, it's funny that a guy with eight catches, got a three-year extension or a three-year deal, but his blocking was that key. So, no, I don't think any of those were ultimately surprising on any level, other than slightly that Bates got done before for agency, but it shows again. Like, yeah, Bates got done, but Chin, Chim Diomi and Bage were the three I worried about losing

because I thought they would have markets, and obviously they all did and two of them got away. You've already mentioned some names that I've mentioned before, Zakias in particular. I still think that somehow he ends back up on, he ends up on this roster again. They loved him. Noah Brown, you mentioned.

What about on, you know, some of the offensive linemen? Do you think Trent Scott comes back? or Cornelius Lucas comes back? Have you thought about any of those guys? And what about the D-Linman, guys like Farrell and Sheldon Day? Fowler Jr., we'll talk about in a moment. Save him for a moment. But who else have you thought about in terms of eventually landing back in Washington?

They still have a lot of roster spots to fill. Yeah. So in terms of like Lucas or Trent Scott, like no disrespect to Trent Scott, but, you know, he's still, like you don't want him really having to be a tackle for you. I know he played effectively at guard. So I'm not saying there's no role for him. He's also, of course, a proven touchdown maker with Jane Bangle throwing the ball. Lucas, I would peg is like, sure, absolutely bring him back. But, again, what are they doing now with Coleman and Wiley?

You know, if they ultimately sign some other guard, you know, some guy like a. West Schweitzer that I don't mean him specifically, but like what a couple years ago we had a guy that could play guard and center and you could start him until Cosmy's back. Do you do that, then keeping Wiley or Coleman as the swing tackle, presumably Wiley? If that's the case, then I don't know that Lucas, there's room for him, but if they're going to view Wiley now is just a guard for the most part to use until Cosby's back and then just go from there, then yeah, I think you've got to bring Lucas back or, yeah, obviously, replace him, but he would be somebody I would bring back. the defensive line guys

look I mean they need more front line guys as we just discussed but they only have five now on the roster I think now with Kim Law so you need bodies at a minimum and again they also only have at the moment five picks so if you like to me

the first two picks probably should be defense at this point that aside um yeah Jalen Holmes Cleveland Farrell Delt and Day any of them could logically be brought back relatively cheap and would make a lot of sense just purely because they already know them, they're part of the culture. And, you know, I thought Day and Homes in particular, you know, we're decently effective in their rotation role, after.

All right. Take guesses on these guys back or not. Igman O'Gennie. I'll say yes as of now, but I still want to know where Santer is still playing. If he's in the slot, then the odds of no will come back or less. Marcus Mariotta. Well, you're giving me some good ones here. Okay, here's my, I tweeted it earlier. Tell me where Daniel Jones plays next year.

If Daniel Jones goes back to the Vikings, right, because where he was last year, and he's not filled the Sam Darnal vet role with J.J. McCarthy, I could see Marriota being a guy the Colts target to compete with Anthony Richardson, and that might, for Mario, be like, hey, gives me another shot to play, let's see. If it's reverse, if Daniel Jones goes to the Colt, he takes that role, I don't think going for Marriota going to Minnesota is as interesting because McCarkey's going to play. And then what?

I don't know that we're going back to Tennessee to be there with that guy. I think at that point he comes back here. So tell me where Daniel Jones goes and I can do all. And that's how I look at what more Marioo comes back or not. I still know where Daniel Jones is going. I thought of it, well, I thought of a team last week before the Gino-Smith trade because of his relationship with Chip Kelly in Vegas and the fact that he had played there before, even though he didn't play much.

in Vegas. But I would assume that that is out because they do have Aiden O'Connell who has played a bunch over the last couple of years to presumably be the backup for Gino Smith. But I was thinking about this earlier today. If the Giants end up without, you know, a chair to sit in when the music stops, they only have Tommy DeVito under contract. Let's just say Rogers ends up in Pittsburgh, Kirk ends up in Cleveland, you know, Daniel Jones ends up in Indy. You know, what are the Giants going to do at quarterback? Like, I still can't figure out the giant situation if it's not Rogers. So I don't know if you saw, the Eagles traded Kenny Pickett to the Browns a few minutes ago or a little bit earlier.

So that presumably is their vet to the rookie that they may draft. You know, they have the second pick, we'll see. so that could be there. But you didn't mention Russell Wilson. Like, it kind of feels like right now the Steelers and the Giants, one of them is getting Aaron Rogers, and the other one is getting Russell Wilson. It's kind of how it feels like to me.

Now, that's not exciting if you're a Giants team that's kind of feeling desperate to win. And, you know, they have the third pick. Maybe they figure out a way to get Cam Ward and, you know, go from there. But, yeah, I mean, this is sort of why I think I feel like better about Mariotta coming back. Okay. It feels like now there's fewer situations after.

Like even the Dolphins who desperately need a backup, they just got Zach Wilson. So, like, you know, again, I think the cold to the team I'm watching, if their better options don't go or don't work out, then I think Marriota would make sense for them. All right. Let's finish up with Dante Fowler Jr., who, you know, tweeted out something last night that wasn't super favorable about the team. What do you think happens with him? You know, he would think he's like, he and Dan Quinn,

they've been a tag team since I think 2020. He's been with him in Atlanta and Dallas now here, obviously had a really good year. I can understand. He's like, whoa, what do you mean? You're not going to give me some big raise. And I don't necessarily know that he was only talking about Washington. It may well have been about what other teams are looking at as well. By the way, real quickly, I'm sorry, because I thought for a moment that I mentioned, this in the open, but I don't think I did. For those that missed it, Dante Fowler tweeted out last night,

the disrespect, dot, dot, I can't take it anymore. I mean, he could have been talking about anything, but I think most people took it that he was talking about, you know, potentially the lack of an offer or some sort of poultry offer

from the team. But go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, I guess based on that tweet, which is not the way to do this, I guess I'll say he's not back. Of course, again, he and Quinn of a relationship, and as it stands right now, they desperately need pass-ratchers. But, you know, again, they basically benched him in the NFD championship game

because he could not stop the run or was not a help in that regard. So, you know, if he's willing to be a role player and take whatever money they give him and the market isn't there for him otherwise, he'll be back. But I would think somebody gives him at least enough of a bump for him to be like, okay, I'm going to roll. All right. What's next? You know, I think, look, again, they've got a lot of depth spots to figure out.

I think that, like, if they're viewing Kinlaw of the defensive end, then maybe they're not thinking they have to get another, like, sort of frontline defensive end, and they can wait for the draft and fill in the blanks. But, you know, they've got to get a safety now. I think that's probably right, the one position that they don't have an obvious answer for, along with slot corner or an outside corner. They have no corner depth at all. I don't think Benjamin St. Houston

Michael Davis, he didn't ask, but I don't think they're coming back. So I think those, like, I guess basically the secondary now kind of feels like the main option for them. Again, are they bringing back Noah Brown and the key? I'm kind of in my head saying, yes, that's why I'm not mentioning receiver. But, yeah, they need depth at an offensive line, at receiver, in the secondary, defensive line. So they need a lot.

I know, again, they still like 20-something free agents or whatever the number is now. still floating around. So I don't know that we're seeing the, you know, look, again, I don't think they're making the Trey Hendrickson type trade, but beyond that, you know, they still have some money to play with. By the way, I would say,

like, at this point, the Terry McCorn extension may just be the number one thing overall, because even though he's under contract for another year, I think that's got to get done. Yeah. I mean, he obviously had a monster year, and D.K. Medcaps just got a great deal. And you can easily say that Terry McCorn

the barriers are the same or that he's better. So, you know, he's got to get a new deal, and that may be where they use some of his cat money as well. But a lot of depth. The roster is still pretty thin in the lot of spots. Is there somebody that signed today a Milton Williams or a Josh Sweat with another team that you think they were legitimately involved in and are disappointed that they didn't get?

I don't know about any of the bigger name guys. Like, I never heard anything about them with Josh Sweat. it started becoming a wonder to me as the day was going on. But obviously he moved on. I don't think so, but I heard them kind of mention on some random, like, you know, the depth kind of guys, but none of the... What about Ronnie Stanley? We wouldn't have seen the trade.

Yeah, I mean, I will say I do believe that they had interest in Khalil Mack, but I guess I'm assuming to Kille Mack that said he wanted to stay with the Chargers, and that was probably that. I don't know. I mean, Ronnie Stanley heard a little bit that some people I included Ronnie Stanley

in my three agency preview for the simple reason that there was nobody it was Ronnie Stanley or nobody which is why the Tunsel trade

makes sense because if they really wanted a legit upgrade there was one guy in the free agent market this year and obviously he stayed with the Ravens so yeah

so I don't other than Mac I didn't really hear about them involved in anybody else and even that I don't know how close they actually got All right. Great job. Spirited conversation. It's always appreciated. I will talk to you on radio, maybe midweek, but definitely at the end of the week. Thank you. You love pushing my buttons, and I appreciate that. Ben Standing, everybody. Done for the day. Back tomorrow with Tommy.