The Kevin Sheehan Show - Trent Williams Demands Deal or Trade

Episode Date: February 28, 2020

Kevin had JP Finlay/NBC Sports Washington on the show to discuss the report from the NFL Network that Trent Williams told the Redskins he wants a new contract or trade. JP had some interesting new information on that front. They also discussed JP's reports on Ryan Kerrigan and Brandon Scherff. Kevin had thoughts on Doug Gottlieb's tweet about Dwayne Haskins. Kevin and Aaron finished up with a Maryland-Michigan State preview. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. All right, Aaron's here. J.P. Finley's scheduled to be on the program today. We've got a lot to talk about. There's Trent Williams News. There was a tweet put out by Doug Gottlieb about Dwayne Haskins, which we will talk about. But I'm going to open with this. The combine's underway. And there's a name you should keep an eye on. and an ear open for. And his name's Michael Turk. He's Arizona State's kicker and punter. And at the Combine yesterday, he put up 25 reps at 225 pounds on the bench press. It was remarkable. The 25 reps were more than current NFL players like Frank Clark,

Judavian Clowny, and DeMarcus Lawrence put up. More than Devin White put up last year at the Combine. And so far at the Combine, more than all but one tight end, and all 33 receivers, Michael Turk, outperformed on the bench press as a kicker punter out of Arizona State. Now, that aside, the name may be familiar to you. Matt Turk was his uncle. Matt Turk was a longtime NFL punter, 17-year career,

including from the years 1995 through 1999 here in Washington, where he was a first team all pro in 1996 as the Redskins punter. But there's more to Matt Turk. Matt's brother Dan Turk was the long snapper in Washington for a couple of seasons, including the season in which Brad Johnson and the Redskins offense led them to a division title in 1999 and into the playoffs where they beat Detroit in a wild card round playoff game. and then traveled to Tampa for a divisional round game. The Redskins led that game 13 to nothing.

It's the game where Brian Mitchell had a 100-yard kickoff return to start the second half. They were up 13-0. They were in total control. It looked like they were on their way to the NFC championship game to face the greatest show on turf. All right, those St. Louis Rams of Kurt Warner & Company, the year that the Rams went on to win the Super Bowl over the tight. Titans in that incredible Kurt Warner, you know, out of nowhere season. Well, in that divisional round game, to get to St. Louis for the NFC championship game,

the Redskins gave up a 13-0-0-0 lead. They trailed 14 to 13. And with just over a minute to go, the Redskins lined up for a go-ahead field goal from 52 yards out with Brett Conway, who was a pretty good kicker that year. And Dan Turk, Matt Turk's brother. and I don't know if this particular Kirk at Arizona State is Dan Kirk's son. I don't believe it is. Matt Turk was one of six boys in his family. I don't think it was Dan Turk's son because Dan Turk passed away. He's no longer with us.

But back to the playoff game. Dan Turk botched the snap. He sent a snap back to Brad Johnson that rolled back. Brad Johnson had to pick it up and try to make a play. He couldn't make a play. The game ended. They lost 1413. Norv Turner set up after the game as the head coach. When you've got to make a ball field goal, you'd like to see the ball at least get up in the air. Dan Turk was distraught after that game. Quote, oh my God, oh my God, I am so sick. I didn't slip. I don't know what happened. I just, I've done what I've done for so long. I don't know if I short-armed it or what.

The nose tackle got to jump on me, but nothing abnormal. I don't know. According to the stories back then, Dan Turk didn't even get on the team plane to fly back to D.C. after the loss of that game with a chance to advance to the NFC championship game. And less than a year later, Dan passed away. I believe it was from cancer. I didn't actually look that up, and I probably should have.

But Dan Turk passed away less than a year later from, I think, cancer. And it was a very sad story. Yes, it was cancer. It was cancer, right? It was a very sad story. I mean, he was 30 in his mid to late 30s at the time, I believe. So my guess is that this could be his son. But again, there were several boys in the Turk family.

But when I saw this name pop up on a story about a punter setting, you know, records at the combine or putting up impressive numbers at the combine as a weightlifter on the bench. And I saw the last name. It was part of the whole Turk family. A lot of kickers, a lot of snappers. But I'll never forget that Tampa game, man. And that's the closest the Redskins have ever gotten under Dan Snyder to an NFC championship game. They had a lead, a double-digit lead on the road to get to the NFC title game. The other opportunities that they had, the only other divisional round game that the Redskins have participated in over the last 21 seasons,

was the year that they beat Tampa in a wildcard game and then played Seattle in the divisional round game and lost the Seahawks a game they were in, had a chance early, if you recall, if Carlos Rogers hangs on to a sure pick six for a 10-0 lead, but he dropped it, and the Redskins went on to lose that game. Rest in peace, Dan Turk, of course, and good luck to the younger of the Turks. Michael Turk, the Arizona State, you know, kicker punter, who is apparently going to be available in this draft, and who knows, may get drafted. Just real quickly, when you think about the playoff futility of the last 21 years,

and you put it in sort of the context that I just put it in, that they've only played in the second weekend of the postseason two times in 21 seasons under Dan Snyder, and actually it's two times since 1992. So, you know, there were several seasons, obviously, with the cooks and with Charlie Casser, is the GM that the Redskins didn't play in the divisional round either. But that has to be one of the worst runs of a professional football team ever. It's one thing not to win Super Bowls or get to Super Bowls. It's another thing to only participate in the second round of the playoffs two times in 20, it's 27 years. Two times in 27 years. Not good. All right, J.P. Finley is going to join

this so we can talk about the Trent Williams news and the Ryan Carrigan news, which he got from Ron Rivera. JP is in Indianapolis and has been there all week for the NFL scouting combine. And he had this story yesterday about Ron Rivera saying Ryan Carrigan, as part of the plans for 2020. Had some stuff on Brandon Sherp. We'll get his thoughts on the Trent Williams news as well. First of all, what's the week been like there?

I've been a couple of times years ago. I'm not a big consumer of it on television. Really, I'll read about the different players that are performing well. What's it like to be there these days? Cold. It's been snowing all week. Has it really? Yeah, yeah, I don't like the cold.

Indianapolis is not my favorite place. But it's cool. You know, every year I've been out here, there's kind of been like one dominant theme that is the conversation. Kind of everywhere you go. And one of the cool things about Indianapolis, is that it's a small city. So the downtown is very condensed.

And kind of everywhere you go, you're running into scouts, coaches, agents, like the people that make the NFL work. And the dominant themes this week are the CBA, which I definitely think is going to get approved, and Tom Brady, where he's going. And those two things are such a big deal that everything else is kind of secondary.

Like, for us, for you and I, what the Redskins are going to do at number two is a big deal, but out here, it's not that big of a deal. You know, it's funny is, I didn't mention this yet, but last night at dinner, I ran into to D'Amora Smith, totally by accident. So he was actually in...

He was back in the center already? Yeah, he was in town last night. He was actually sitting near a table where I was. I didn't see him, but I just happened to turn my head as he got up and he was walking in my direction and um and i just said are we going to get a deal done or not and he said we're trying we're trying um but yeah what are you doing a but what is a columbia country club guy doing it but that's the country club that's what i want to know so you so now you know where i was last night um did i nail that yeah because that's exactly where i was

last night i was actually with friends and clients of my wife um who couldn't have been more pleasant more fun to hang out with, but that's where we were. I had no idea Demore Smith was a member at Bethesda. I know it's actually interesting because I told my wife this last night when we were driving home. I don't know, maybe 10 years ago, eight years ago. Do you know him well or not? I know him.

I wouldn't say well, but I know him. So how old are his kids? How old are his kids? I think his son plays lacrosse at Maryland. Okay, so this was 10 years ago, I'm guessing, every bit of 10 years ago. And I don't know that. I believe that to be the case. I don't know it. I was, and this was, you know, 10 years ago, he wasn't necessarily the lead voice for the NFLPA. It was just as he was sort of emerging into the position that he has now.

Anyway, make a long story short, I was at one of my sons, I think it was a lacrosse game. And it was right there at the elementary school next to Mater Day, which is, is that Seven Locks Elementary? Yeah. And it was at that school on that field, and I'm sitting there watching the game. And sure enough, he and I strike up a conversation. And I didn't really realize who he was at the time. And he told me, and we ended up having a very nice conversation. But within, you know, as you know, you know the area, within a few hundred yards last night, I ran into him last night.

But he just said, we're hopeful. and hopefully it gets done. I'll tell you what, personally, I sort of followed this in detail. If I were the players, I would not only vote yes, I'd vote yes twice if I could. Now, I understand there's a lot more to this thing than just sort of the quid pro quo for a 17th game. But the 17th game, to me, JP, has been the, and look, from a leverage standpoint and from a negotiation standpoint, you want to make it a big deal. It's one extra game. It's like, seriously, when you do the math on the reduction of the preseason game and all of the padded practices, et cetera, the amount of incremental contact that would put them

in sort of a different safety situation is negligible. And the money that the league is going to get and they're going to share in is astronomical. I just, I've never understood the hang. up over 17 games for the players? I largely agree with you. My two things are going to 17 and having a rote every other year, having nine and then eight home games is a mess. And I would never do a 10-year deal.

I think this thing should be five, and then you recalibrate and look at what the new figures are going to look like. Ten years is, dude, in 10, Ten years. Do you think we have any idea how people are going to be consuming media and content? Because I don't. I think, think about how we were consuming media 10 years ago, I think five years is the proper term. Like, the biggest thing I hate about politics is that there's no term limits. The biggest thing I hate about this deal is that it's a 10-year deal. Yeah, I mean, to be honest with you... Out of that, I think it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I mean, to be honest with you, I don't think I've given a lot of thought to sort of the term and the length. I think labor piece for this particular league and having the comfort of long-term labor piece is just good for everybody.

But you're right. I mean, you know, technology and the way things are consumed. I mean, things change so quickly, but there's a way to probably incorporate that in as some sort of ability to amend the deal based on certain circumstances. I don't know. I just know this, that this league generates, you know, we're talking about, you know, double-digit billions a year. It's not the NBA. It's not the NHL. It's not Major League Baseball.

And yes, there are more players, and you're sharing it with more people. But they're not going to get 50-50. They're not getting a 50% share of the cut. And the biggest thing that gets forgotten in these conversations is every other league, baseball, basketball, any of it, is all dependent on cable television. And, hey, man, I've worked at a cable television outlet, ultimately. And I'm a believer in cable television. Let me say that in case anyone's listening.

But the NFL is not dependent on cable television in the slightest. They're on broadcast free over-the-air TV. And that's what, the fact that they're getting more money than anybody and they're on free TV, they're the king and they're going to stay the king. All right, let's get to some Redskins stuff. Let's start with the Trent Williams stuff. And then we'll get to the stuff that you reported as well. Mike Garifolo, NFL Network, I guess, sort of with Ian Rappaport, essentially saying that while the Redskins and Trent Williams continue to talk, the net of it is Trent has communicated to the Redskins, trade me or give me a new contract.

In essence, you know, sort of laying down the law in the same way the Quentin Dunbar attempted to do it. What do you know about the situation? What are your thoughts? I'm not going to say that I know the situation, but I'm going to tell you what I'm going to tell you what I'm. think about this situation. I think Trent and Ron have what... Trent didn't play at all last year, right? And it was kind of a three-pronged thing.

The medical, the cancer, how he felt the doctors, the medical staff at Redskins Park handled him was poor. That was a huge part of that. He lost trust and faith in Bruce Allen. Bruce Allen's tactic of trying to find him and bleed him dry financially to get him to report, only pushed Trent further to not report. It was a bad strategy and it failed.

And then there was the money. There was the contract. There was the guaranteed money. Larry hasn't gone, Bruce Allen's gone. Those two things are gone now. This is now purely about money, which some slash many inside of Redfield Park would have said last year. This is all about money. And that's a different conversation. But now, going forward, this is about cash. And I'm waiting to report it. But the number I heard that Trent wants for a

new deal, or at least that his representatives were asking for last August when you and I both know trades were on the table is staggering. It is far north of what the O-line franchise tag will be, which I think is 15-16 mill this year. It is far north of that. So if that is the baseline of what his organization wants, that's why there's not a trade. That's why there's not a trade offer,

because there's not a team in the world that's going to go to $20 or more million a year. Well, $20 million or more would be excessive and far above the highest average annual of... Who's got the average... Is it Luan right now at 16, 5, something like that? Or is it... I think what did Lane... Didn't Lane Johnson just get like 17-9 or something? Yeah.

Okay, so it's Lane Johnson, it close to 18. I don't know. I'd have to. Okay, no, that sounds right. That sounds right. So he wants 20 or nor... He wants to be the highest paid left tackle in the history of the game, which, by the way... I can't say this officially on your podcast because my...

Because NBC will kill me if I don't write it first. Right. But the number is staggering, dude. Well, what I was going to say to you and what I said on radio this morning, that this right now has to be an issue where he's asking for too much and they're not willing to go to that number and that's why there is a bit of a stalemate here and that's why he realizes it may not happen here and why he's asking for a trade now or the contract extension. Let me just say this. He doesn't deserve that kind of a deal. He is extraordinarily talented. You could argue that he's a top three left

tackle in the game when healthy, but his availability, the fact that he took a year off, his age all add up to more of a top five contract, somewhere around five, not number one by two million plus per year, you know, compared to the next best. 32 in July, but I always say this about Trent, he's got the absolute best seat for an offensive lineman in football and scouts will tell you that maybe in 20 years of football. I mean, his footwork and his agility for his size is unmatched. Now, you can argue about different things, downhill blocking all sorts of stuff, but that is fact, right?

But if you're his rep and you just missed a year at, you just missed $12.5 million coming in, you got to try to make that up, right? you just missed $12 million. That's a big boat. Yeah, I'm just saying that I don't know that anybody's going to give him, you know, two million more a year on average than Lane Johnson, you know, is getting paid. I know that the Redkins are not. I wonder if anybody would give him that.

I think there's somebody out there that would say, I'll make you the highest paid left tackle in the game, but not by, you know, not by a factor of 20%, you know, or somewhere in that neighborhood 10 to 15% above what the last deal was. So let me ask you this. Is it your belief that he's going to play elsewhere

and they're going to trade him? Yeah, honestly, at this point. I don't see the skins paying that. I just don't. And maybe that'll change. Maybe the asks or the request will become a little more realistic, but I wrote a story yesterday after Mike put his tweet out,

kind of my reaction to all of that. And here's what I take from, so if you listen to Garifolo's report, and Mike's my friend, like he did, he does a great job. But Mike didn't go hard on that report, if that makes sense. No, agreed. And why I think he didn't, and I don't know this, this is my analysis of it, is that because Ron and Trent have had, it's meeting with an F. Like, they've talked.

There has been some real interaction there. And I think both sides want to be cool with the other. And so the Red Kings don't want to officially come out and say, we're not paying for him, we're not giving them a new deal. And Trent and his people don't want to come out and say, hey, we're demanding a trade, we want out. So there's kind of this like peaceful, hey, we want a new deal or we want to trade, but we really like each other. Like, everybody wants to have a good way out of this is kind of my thing.

But I think it's not going to result in Trent Williams wearing Burgundy and gold this fall. Well, the Redskins, you know, aren't going to benefit. themselves by making it appear that they're desperate to trade him. I mean, you know, they're going to have to remain, you know, from a posturing standpoint, interested in working something out with him. But I think most NFL teams would be able to sniff out the following. There's no way the Redskins want to bring him back with one year left on the deal and have him play this year on that final year deal, which Trent doesn't want to do either,

because you just risk losing him for a compensatory pick a year from now. You know, and there's no reason to go through the trying to bleed them again and force them to play under this deal because that just made you look bad and you lost value and you're not getting, you know, trading, we both know they botched it, right? In a major way they mishandled this thing as they've mishandled many things. They could have gotten, if you just take the tonsil deal and cut it in half, you know, it could have been a first plus. You know, they could be sitting here with two first rounders and maybe a third and a fifth, something like that, had they actually had a little bit of vision and been less emotional

about the thing? And by the way, save themselves a lot of negative PR, even if he's culpable for a lot of it, which by the way, I believe is true. I believe he's got a hand in all of this as well. But I'm with you. I think if that's really the demand, and this morning on radio, I essentially said, look, this is about money right now. He wants too much and they don't want to pay him, whatever it is he's asking for. And if they don't meet somewhere in the middle, he's going to get dealt. So let's assume that that happens. I think that's completely accurate. So what will they get for him? A second. And I think it happens draft week. That's my guess. I don't know that, but if I had to guess, that's when it happens. I don't think it happens

by the new league year. I don't think Trent shows up. The skins, remember this too, because they have a new head coach. They get to start OTAs early. So they start in the first week of April. That team will be back in the building before the master, you know? So we'll know then. With us, it's always about golf. All right. I know you've got to run here quickly, but just on the other things that you wrote about and reported yesterday, is it fair to say that Ryan Kerrigan's back on some sort of, you know, three-year restructured deal that ends up, you know,

being cap-friendly for the next three years, but he stays a Redskin? I definitely believe that. I think he's due 12-mill this year, I think. I think they restructure that, so we kind of splits that up over the next two years, but they guarantee it. None of that's guaranteed. I think the third year is kind of going to be funny money. But yeah, I think there's a two-year extension on top of what Ryan has now,

and all parties are happy. He breaks the sack record, eventually goes in the ring of fame of FedEx or wherever the new stadium is, and he's a lifetime regimen. I hope that's not the only reason they're doing it. I hope they're doing it because they think he can be a significant contributor to a winning team the next two to three years, that it's not Dan wanting him to retire as a redskin, because I couldn't give a shit about that.

I know that you can't, and I know that – think about this. Brian Mitchell is a dear friend of both of us, right? Like, he played for the Eagles and the Giants, and nobody cares about that. Remember him as a red skin. Of course. Players – Art Monk retired as a New York jet.

Players who go other places and still be remembered to what they did. I don't think this is about that. I think it's probably a little bit about that, honestly, for ownership. But I think I firmly believe that in this new Jack Del Rio scheme and what Ron wants out of his edge guys, I think Gary could have a big year. I think he's poised to thrive. Now, Preston Smith's obviously younger and obviously more athletic, but look at the careers of Preston Smith and Trent Murphy since they've got. got out of the Greg Minnowski defense. You know what I mean?

No, you're right. And I don't know what I can say about this, because I don't know what's official, but keep an eye on what job Greg Minnowski gets next, Kevin. I think I know what you're talking about. In fact, I'm almost 100% sure. I know what you're talking about. An NFL defensive coordinator typically gets another good. NFL jobs. Joe Barry did. Joe Barry did. Right. So real quick, go ahead. Finish your, yeah.

Brandon Sheriff, you reported yesterday that they want to, they want Brandon Sheriff as a part of this team moving forward. Will it come in the form of a long-term contract or will it come in the form of a franchise tag? I think it starts with a tag, but I think before we get to training camp, It's a long-term deal. Is Eric Flowers going to be a redskin next year? I don't know. What about Quentin Dunbar? I think yes.

And you're the skin. That's a value add to have Dunny at $3 million. I wouldn't be shocked if Quentin gets traded. If they allow his agent to start negotiating elsewhere, I think then it's a done deal because there is definitely a team. out there that would give, to me, Dunny's a $7, $8 million a year player, he's making $3 million.

That's why he's so frustrated. If you allow his agent to work to work other teams and somebody says we'll start a new deal at 3 for 25

and we'll guarantee 15 of it, some bars in on that and then you give the skins a fourth or something. I don't know. All right, last one. You know, you're out there and you said the buzz isn't about the Redskins. But with that said, a lot of headlines, you know, even on shows like first take and get up, you know, about number two overall and what the Redskins really think about, Haskins, et cetera. Ron Rivera's comments, you know, we're going to work two out. We're going to work, you know, burrow out, which by the way they should be doing. where are you right now on how they feel about Dwayne Haskins and what their plans are at quarterback?

25% smoke, 25% fire. I think a lot of it, I think if they could guarantee that they get Jeff Akuta, the cornerback from Ohio State, at five, which I don't think we're going to get him. I think Detroit wants him at three. But if they could guarantee that they could get him at five, I think they'd be almost eager to do a trade with Miami to pick up more picks. I asked Ron Rivera on our show when I talked to him yesterday or Thursday, how big of a burden is not having a second round pick?

And I think Ron is generally honest. He either doesn't answer or tells the truth. And he said, it's a big deal. We need more players. We need more guys. and not having a second round pick is a big deal. So if they know they could get Akuta and trade back, I think they would. I just don't think they can.

I think they're going to take Chase Young, but I'm not ruining the two of stuff out. I don't think it's going to happen, but he's going to get cleared by Zox in 11 days. in nine days or something, March 9th. And then when he has his private workout, April 9th, is going to be insane, man. Like the entire conversation, we're not just going to be talking about can they get Tua.

We're going to be talking about can they get Burrow because the Bengals are going to take Tours. It's going to be not. I agree with you that there's a lot that's potentially completely not even the realm of thinking other than what you just thought. that's going to happen. It always happens with the draft. What you think in January and February, things change so dramatically, especially when it comes to quarterbacks. Real quickly on a trade with the dolphins, you would swap with five and then would you get 18 and 26,

or would you get 18 a second and something else? I don't know. I mean, I think for those spots, I think for those spots, you're asking for 18 and 26. you know, and, you know, at minimum, at minimum, you know. All right. And then if you get that, I think you spin one of those into a second and maybe two seconds or whatever. But depending on who's on the board, you know, when you get there, right. I know that the organization knows they need more talent. And for every skin fan and blogger and Twitter and everything else that wants to talk about the talent they have on D.C.

then. Just go back to Jack Del Rio's public first on the record comments that he was asked about the talent on defense and he was entirely dismissive of the notion. So they need more playmakers all over the field. I also very much believe and really know that they think they can turn this thing around very quickly. And while we all know that sometimes we as a fan base over a rate the talent that they have on defense. They were 32nd on 3rd Downs last year, horrible. I think one of the reasons... Historically, Ben.

Yeah, Rivera took this job in part because he saw the opportunity for a quick turnaround. And I think they're going to be very... Yeah, I think we're going to see that quick in pre-agency. When they go send some real money, I saw your tweet on Cooper. To me, that doesn't make sense for the money it'll cost, but I think you'll see it at tight end, the cornerback.

I think they're going to be a very real... a very real part of free agent. Yeah. My, what I said, and I guess what I also tweeted out is really the primary part is they are, they believe they can turn around this thing quickly, and they're going to be very aggressive in free agency with all of their salary caps room. And big names like Amari Cooper are not going to be, you know, guys that you just, you know, cancel off the list of potential targets. I think they would target him if he makes it to free agency. And I think a guy like Kenyon, Drake, Austin Hooper and there are a couple of other names I'm starting to put together and I'll have,

you know, on future shows as well. Now, here's the thing and you know this. For me, don't spend big at Whiteout. Like, Kerry is your guy. Don't spend big there. Like, I just, I don't get that. I get why they would want a veteran starting wide receiver with three second year guys. You know that when, like, late in his career, when Anquam Bolden's, have bounced around team to team. That's who you want. Martin Cooper is not a veteran leader. He's coming off a rookie deal.

Yeah. And what are you going to have to pay him? Yeah, I think veteran may be the wrong way to say it. It's more of something that really is truly proven in their minds. Zion, I think they believe McCorn can be the same thing. But hold on. I had one of the quick. What are you going to have to pay, Cooper?

17, 18 a year? Oh, yeah, no, no. And I'm not saying I would agree with it. I just think that they're going to be thinking very big. It's going to be a little bit of a throwback, you know, free agency period in terms of, you know, the names they're going to be linked to. Now, you know, here's the thing, and you know this, right? Bruce prided himself on not spending money. Of course.

Yeah. He's gone. Look at the deal I got on Kendall Reyes. I mean, it's incredible. I got such a good deal on him. So here's the last thing for real. they're going to have Alex Smith isn't going to play next year that that's those are the odds you agree with that I think everybody agrees that right now if you were to assess sort of probability the likelihood is he's not going to be a professional football player playing anymore I'm not counting it out I'm just saying the odds favor that so with that understood what kind of quarterback path do they go down is it the peer backup is it the Matt Moore is it the you know is it the Chase Daniel is it the Brett Hundley, or is it something that legitimately we would all say,

that guy, Marcus Marriota, he could actually compete for the starting job. What kind of quarterback path do they take in this offseason? Don't know. I think, let's assume that TWA doesn't happen, right? Yeah, assume that it's not Boroa or Tua. I think a lot of it will depend on what Teddy Bridgewater's market is. if he is getting real quarterback money, then I think the skins are out.

Because they've already got 22 mil on the books for Al. Like, people have to remember that. They've already got $30 million on the books at the position. If Teddy is getting 20, 25 a year and teams are signing him to be their starter and the guy they believe in, then that's out. If that doesn't happen, then I think Bridgewater looks quite interesting.

And if that, if Teddy's gone, I think we're talking about, like, Josh McCown, Matt Moore. I think we're, I think the situation looks very different. But that's just my speculation. I don't know that answer yet. Yeah, I mean, Teddy Bridgewater, to me, almost at any price, unless it's really low, which I don't think it'll be, says to me that they think Teddy Bridgewater's got a chance to be their quarterback of the future, which also, by extension, means. they're not bought in to Dwayne yet. Now, Matt Moore or, you know, Chase Daniel or Brett Hundley or Josh... Or Kyle Allen.

Yeah, I mentioned Kyle Allen yesterday. Now, he's a restricted free agent, so he would have to, you know, there would have to be compensation if he stays in that mode. But they did draft Will Greer last year, and they said that, you know, Cam's their guy. So it's possible that Kyle Allen. And I would view Kyle Allen as a guy that they could legitimately present. as competition, even though I think he'd be coming into backup Dwayne. You know?

I do, but here's the thing with restrictive free agents is they have to, the Panthers have to put a tender on him with a pick. Right. And the skin can just match it and you have to give up that pick. I don't know that that's going to happen, and we might be like putting the cart above the horse or whatever that's saying is, but like, that's not hard to do. Right.

I mean, it was just interesting to hear Revellington. Vera say, and did he say it to you or did he say it to Ben, where he said, what kind of, Ben asked him what kind of competition for Dwayne? And he said, very competitive competition. Now, I, I think everybody wants to believe that Dwayne's going to compete for the job. But unless they bring in Teddy Bridgewater or Ryan Fitzpatrick or, you know, if they bring in a Philip Rivers, then you know he's not starting next year. You know it's going to be Rivers. But if they bring in the other kind of people we're talking about, those guys are coming in his backups. You know, Matt Moore's coming in to back up, even though he started a few games last year when Mahomes was hurt. For sure. Right. And I think we're going to talk about this for two months, but I think at the end of the day, Haskins, your quarterback in the draft chase young. I still think that. Maybe I'm crazy.

That's exactly what I think. You know, every conversation we'll be talking about it and going through all of the possibilities. And I think it was yesterday or the day before he said, still, if I had to wager right now, Dwayne Haskins is the starter with a pure backup guy, you know, perception-wise, signed, and they draft Chase Young. And the Trent Williams thing... We were going to do 10 minutes, right? My Uber's coming.

I now have a show in less than half hour, and I'm sure the producers are thrilled. I'm not... Well, just tell them you were talking to me, and they'll totally understand. All right. Enjoy your final day or whatever left in Indianapolis, and I'll talk to you next. week. I cannot wait to get out of Indiana, I promise you not. I hear you. Thanks, JP. All right, see you, man. All right, good to catch up with JP. A lot there to sort of digest the Trent Williams stuff. Certainly sounds like JP is on the verge of sort of breaking some news on

Trent Williams and the contract demands and how far apart he is with the team. That's the 20 million, that's too much. You can't pay him 20 million bucks. If you're the team, you've got to look to trade him. Now, the problem with some of these dollars getting out there, if they're true, and Trent's going to demand them, period, it's going to lower the amount of compensation you can get back for him because it's going to cost a team so much. And it may limit the number of teams that are even interested if that's what he's demanding. Look, he lost a lot of money last year. You know, holding out cost him a lot of money. And JP's line about they're going to try to make it. up on a big contract extension. And I bet it's one of those things where that agent was telling

him, you hang in there, you know, we're either going to get traded and we're going to get a new deal, we'll make up for what you've lost, or when we get to next off season, they're going to either have to trade you or extend you and we'll be able to make it up. You know, they're going for not only what they think his value is, but what he lost last year. And that's, unfortunately, not something another team is going to feel compelled to pay for. That, that, that, wasn't their problem. And really, it's not the Redskins problem either anymore, not this particular administration. I think the chances now, after talking to JP, of a trade are higher with the compensation potential being, you know, at risk here. I would say what JP did, and I said it on radio this

morning, it's a second, maybe a second and a fourth for Trent, if you trade him. And if he were willing to take a deal that's more in sort of the top five range in terms of average annual. I would probably be fine if the Redskins chose to go down that path. But remember, the mode I am in, which is, I am all in on Ron Rivera, at least for now. The Ryan Carrigan thing, you know, I do think that there is this feeling that the organization has always had and the thing that they focus too much on, which is about, you know, a ring of fame and who's representing them at Harvest Fest, and who's the guy that they, you know, want to put up on websites

and on golf tournaments and all of that. And it's never been about, you know, actually what happens on Sundays and Monday nights. You know, and there's no doubt that Ryan Carrigan could potentially be a real good impact player for the next two to three years. with really good coaching. You know, I mean, the Preston Smith-Lorenzo Alexander stuff, remember when they moved, in Preston-Smith's case last year, they moved his younger players.

So if you think of like the new coaching staff as like a new restart for Ryan Kerrigan, that's great, except that he's an older player. But I'm not discounting the possibility at all. That a 4-3 defense, with him is a defensive end, with him as an inside tackle as a football. pass rusher potentially with good coaching, that we couldn't see, you know, some of the best Ryan Carrigan still to come, and that Ron Rivera and Jack Del Rio feel the same way, and that this is 100% their decision that after evaluating Ryan's season last year, which was

cut short for the first time in his career, where he actually got injured and missed games, that after, you know, reviewing tape, and they know who he is, obviously anyway, they've played against him, they've coached against him in the past. They've watched him. They know what kind of player he is and they know what kind of scheme they're running. And hopefully, you know, this is all about, man, Ryan Kerrigan, you know, two, three-year contract, you know, with sort of a cap hit, you know, that's team-friendly because it's spread out rather than, you know, the 11.6 or whatever he's got left for one year. That's a bargain because we can really fit him in and, you know, in early down distance here and on past situations here and he'll fit this kind of defensive scheme. Hopefully it's about what they think he can contribute to their defense and not about, hey, the owner's saying,

hey, Ron, he's a redskin, man. Ryan Kerrigan's a true redskin. He is a major part of this community. I don't want to see him finish his career elsewhere. I hope it's not about that. To hell with that. Who gives a crap about that? You know what the Redskins have won with Ryan Kerrigan?

Nata. Nothing. Zero. And to J.P.'s point, we all know it as fans. Some of our all-time favorite players ended their careers elsewhere. Gary Clark, Art Monk, Dexter Manly. The list goes on and on. You know, Super Bowl MVP Mark Rippin ended his career in multiple different places. You know, so I don't want to hear about, you know, true Redskin. I don't want to hear about Ring of Fame. You can put him in all the ring of fame you want after he finish his career in Houston and with the Rams, you know, if you don't think he's a good fit. So if they think he's a good fit and this is a Rivera-Jack-Del Rio decision, I'm good with it. On the sheriff thing, I don't want Sheriff to go anywhere. I don't. I think Sheriff is incredibly effective and athletic. You don't see many guards run the way Brandon Sheriff runs. You don't see many guards move athletically the way Brandon Sheriff can move athletically. I would prefer a long

contract extension rather than a significant one-year franchise tag. Our experience here with the franchise tag isn't a good one. With that said, if they slap the tag on him in the next few days, it doesn't mean that they can't get to a long-term contract extension. They can continue to negotiate with the player and he can sign a long contract extension even while on the tag. All right, I wanted to get to this thing next. Actually, one last thought on Trump Williams. If the money's too much and they move on by trading Trent Williams, you still got to come up with a left tackle, you know?

and now what you are potentially creating is a need to trade back in the draft and pick up more picks. And I don't want losing Trent Williams to sort of influence how the draft is handled at number two. And what I mean by that is if Chase Young is by far and away, the number one player on the board and he's there at number two and you think he is the next dominant pass rusher in the game. I want the Redskins to take him. I don't want the need at corner, the need at left tackle, the need at tight end to influence the decision at number two and perhaps lead to a tradeback with, say, Miami, as JP pointed out, where you pick up number five overall and you're able to get Jeff Akuta, if he's there, the corner, to fill the corner need. And then at 8,000,

overall with Miami's second first round pick that you get, you're able to fill the left tackle need with Andrew Thomas from Georgia, just throwing out some of the guys that are going to be in that range of the draft. And then in the second round, you're like, you know what, we can get ourselves a guard if we don't sign sheriff or flowers, or we can go get a tight end there. I understand that there are many holes. I also understand the concept of drafting more players increases the likelihood that you'll hit on more players, not as a percentage, but because the percentage is so low, if you assume that you hit on 35% of the players you draft, then it's better to draft more players than less, especially if you can't pinpoint which ones are going to work out and which ones don't. Most

can't. They think they can, but they can't. With that said, if Chase Young is there, brother, I'm not passing on Chase Young, and he's going to be there more likely than not. And if you don't have Trent Williams, it's going to potentially bring into the conversation that trade back as sort of deemed to be more important because now you can fill the left tackle need, you can fill the corner need. Okay, you didn't get the best pass rusher of the next 10 years, but you got yourself an elite starting corner and, you know, a really good left tackle. that you think can play. You know, so you filled two holes with really, really good players,

but you gave up on the sure thing. I don't want to go that route. I don't. So that's the other just sort of potential fallout from, you know, trading trend, which I'm okay with. I just don't want it to influence the way they handle number two, and I think it could. All right, I wanted to get to something.

We're going to two more things on this show. to talk about Doug Gottlieb's tweet yesterday, and then Aaron and I are going to talk about Maryland, Michigan State, which is a game for the Terps to clinch a share of the Big Ten title with a win tomorrow night against Michigan State. We'll get to that right after a quick mention of Stamps.com. If you are a small business and you are making too many runs to the post office and spending too much on postage, use Stamps.com. We have lots of small business. You, businesses have, over 700,000 small businesses, use Stamps.com. It's really easy. You print out from your computer, postage, you don't need a meter, you don't need to spend significantly. You get

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Actually, that's not, when I say I don't know him personally. I actually did, did I tell you this that like years ago I did a fantasy football thing with him? Did I tell you that? You didn't, no. When he was at ESPN and we were an ESPN affiliated station, they had him come down. He was doing something with fantasy football, and they asked me to co-host it with him at a restaurant.

I can't even remember where it was. And we ended up spending two hours together one night. And actually it was fine because we ended up talking a lot about basketball. You know, Gottlieb actually is a sharp opinion as a basketball guy. He played college basketball at Oklahoma State after he got booted at Notre Dame for stealing credit cards. Anyway, he's been sort of, you know, a talk show host for years, an opinion maker at ESPN, CBS, and now Fox, right? That's where he is now.

So on his show yesterday, and he tweeted this out as well, I'll read you the tweet. He said the following, quote, one Redskins source told me, Dwayne Haskins was so bad with the Redskins playbook that the previous staff was concerned he was disliked. Lexic. And then in parentheses, he wrote, he is not closed parentheses. So this got a lot of attention. I mean, I woke up this morning and it was, you know, I went to Twitter and I went to my notifications just to see if there's anything. And I always do that. Just see if any big news that I missed after sleeping that night and everybody had sent me this particular tweet. And, you know, there were lots of, you know, this is what you guys in the media do. You always make it about race. It's always, you know, he's too dumb. The DC media and even

the red-skinned fan base has been too tough on black quarterbacks, yada, yada, yada, yada. First of all, you know, just for those of you that don't know, dyslexia is not something that really is attached to intelligence in any way. And I'm not, by the way, disputing or even, I don't even have a problem with someone who reads that tweet and thinks to themselves, Gottlieb is essentially telling you that the Redskins told you, told him that Dwayne Haskins is dumb. You know, it had so much trouble, so bad with the playbook was the exact quote. Dwayne Haskins was so bad with the Redskins playbook that the previous staff was concerned he was dyslexic.

Again, dyslexia, in fact, more often than not, people with dyslexia are actually highly intelligent. You know, it's the same thing with ADHD and ADD, and those of you that have experience with it, either have it or know people that have it. You know that that is not an indication of any level of intelligence. And in fact, most people who are attention-deficited are innately super bright. And that is also the case with dyslexia. And I'm not an expert in it, but I know enough about it after reading about it and talking to various people who I know have it. So anyway, what he tweeted with the exception of was so bad with the Redskins playbook. The dyslexic part, you know, if you, again, if you understand that that isn't necessarily

an indication that he's accusing him of being dumb, which is the way a lot of people took it, then it's sort of a tweet where you can just say, okay, whatever. Like you could say, actually I'm interested. Is he dyslexic or not? Because if he is, then he's got to be taught. Like he learns differently. And some of you will understand that much more than I. But what Gottlieb was doing was putting out something that he knows is going to be received in a certain way.

And he's stern it up. You know, first of all, all of these leaks over the last week with the Redskins, you know, Trent Williams News and this news on the condition of Annen Anonymity, somebody close to the situation in the organization. The leaks haven't stopped, if you've noticed, even with the new administration. I digress. Back to the Gottlieb tweet. So you can think about Gottlieb anything you want.

I don't like that he put that tweet out. He followed it up with something. I'll read you the follow-up here. Because essentially then he's sort of backtracked and said, I wasn't implying anything about intelligence. I'll find it here in a second. Give me one second. FYI, quote, FYI, dyslexia doesn't mean someone isn't intelligent,

quite the opposite oftentimes. Previous staff couldn't figure it out. He simply couldn't call a play in the huddle correctly for a month. All right, so that was his follow-up. By the way, in that follow-up, you know, I think what we're learning is the Redskins source with somebody on the old coaching staff. That's my guess.

Well, yeah. So a couple of things real quickly on this. First of all, you know, Jay Gruden's playbook wasn't easy for Alex Smith to pick up in the first year. It's a challenge. You know, one of the reasons Jay Gruden didn't want any rookie quarterback is that he had to win last year. And his playbook in his system, you know, takes time. And he wanted to go with guys that he felt were veteran guys that. either knew the playbook or like a Colt McCoy was his number one guy that he wanted to go with,

or, you know, as a veteran might pick it up a little bit faster than a rookie. Okay, the thing that I heard about Dwayne, from the jump, bright and likable, the narratives that came out of Redskins Park, all right, and out of the organization, which, by the way, you know, is not a DC media leak. The team leaked all that stuff to media and to fans. All right? All of that stuff was always initiated by the team and the people that were speaking and leaking from the team. But I never heard about Dwayne. And those of you that had listened to this show going back to when they drafted him, the only thing I've heard is the same things you've heard, which is the commitment level, the work ethic. I've always heard super bright and very likable. You know, and then we're not even getting into the football stuff. So dyslexia doesn't have anything to do with this. He could be dyslexic and still very smart and very likable, you know.

And he also could have had a problem with the playbook because the playbook's really hard to learn. Jake Rudin had a very, very complex playbook. And Alex Smith struggled with it in his first year. The part of this that I wanted to get to for three minutes, hear me out, is some of the reaction to this as it relates to DC Media and Redskins fans. I saw a lot of follow-ups to the Gottlieb stuff saying, man, this is typical, you know, DC media stuff trying to tear down a black quarterback

or trying to tear down the team. First of all, Gottlieb's not DC, hello. And other people suggesting, man, I'll tell you, the quarterbacks, if you've got a black quarterback in Washington, that fan base and that media base, we're all getting accused here, is really, really difficult to deal with. And that's just not true. You know, I remember several years ago

during the whole RG3 Kirk Cousins thing, the guy from ESPN Bomani Jones, you know, made it one of those racial conversations, you know, DC media, redskin fans, want the white quarterback, not the black quarterback. And I remember getting into it a little bit with him on Twitter and saying exactly what I'm going to say now. And that is, that's not our city.

That's not us. You know, that's, most of you, like me, would be fine if the quarterback was purple, if he was really good and we won with him. It's just not the city where the color of the quarterback's skin has ever mattered. Well, let me, let me amend that. Obviously, it was the last team to integrate. We know what the history of the team is. I'm talking about the last 30 to 40 years, okay?

Doug Williams in 1987, I've used this example before. In a less evolved society, I guess you would describe it, which is, you know, 33 years ago, 1987, Doug Williams was the preferred quarterback in this town, 10 to 1 over Jay Schrader, by media people, by fans. Why? Because we thought he was better, smarter, and by the way, much more likable. And you know what? We were all right about that. Thirty-three years ago, this town had Doug Williams and Jay Schrader. And this town wanted media-wise and fan-wise, Doug Williams to be the quarterback. And we were right. And we won. We won a Super Bowl. Jay Schrader was not very likable. We thought that he was way too inconsistent. We didn't think he was overly brilliant, and Doug Williams provided the opposite of that.

So that's 33 years ago. I mean, the conversation about RG3 and Kirk Cousins was very simple one by 99% of fans. It was, one guy's good and the other isn't. And you know what? We were right about that too. One guy's continuing to start in the league got the first all-guaranteed contract pretty much. in the history of the league, and the other guy has barely played or has been a backup since then. All right?

So it wasn't about black quarterback, white quarterback. It was about good quarterback, not good quarterback. You know, the only quarterback in the history of this, of my lifetime being a Redskins fan that I can ever remember being referred to as lacking in intelligence, and I don't even know if it was true. But remember the stories about Heath Shuler, the number three overall pick. And in 1993,

Norf Turner's first big pick, I remember the stories about Brian Mitchell needing to call the plays in the huddle because Shuler didn't know the playbook and he was difficult to understand that Norf Turner would sometimes rely on others, including guys like Brian Mitchell, to help him call the plays in the huddle.

That's the only quarterback that I can remember in this town where media people or even the fan base said, not real bright. And I have no idea if Heath Schuller was bright or not bright. It became a congressman. That doesn't mean anything, as we know, in terms of intelligence. But it's never, ever, from my perspective, as a lifelong fan, as being in the media for a long time,

as having a connection to the fan base as a fan. in this city, been about race at quarterback since, you know, obviously we had a racist owner for many years and we were the last team to integrate. I understand the team's history. I'm talking about since, you know, the 70s and 80s, my lifetime of watching the Redskins. And I hate the knock that something like this, you know, sort of brings up among people about DC media or the Redskin fan base, sometimes from people outside the market. It's just not true, and it never has been true. All right. Last thing, and we'll finish up the show. A huge game tomorrow night at Xfinity Center. I had Naki on the radio show this morning, and he did clear up if we hadn't cleared this up already, Aaron, because I think it was still a little bit unclear for us about how the

Big Ten works with respect to naming a champion. Maryland is one win away from clinching a share of the Big Ten regular season. Yes. So a share of the regular season, there's no tiebreaker for. You don't name, if Maryland ends up in a first place tie with Wisconsin as an example, even though Wisconsin beat them head to head in their only meeting, they are co-champions. Just like Maryland has the 2010 banner, even though Duke was the one seed that year. They were the one seed, but Marilyn had split with Duke that year, too.

But they were co-regular season. Yes. Yes. Yeah, they were co-regular season champs. Which, by the way, did we mention this yesterday? That's the last time Duke won an ACC championship? I don't know if we mentioned it, but we definitely talked about it. Yeah.

So, Marilyn's got a chance to clinch a share of the Big Ten title with a win tomorrow night. And with two more win, one more win could clinch, you know, the title ultimately on their own at 14 and 6 if they were to lose to it. games. Two wins automatically clenches. If they get to 15 wins, they're a championship solo without sharing it. It's a tough game tomorrow night. Michigan State's not the same as a lot of these Michigan State teams in the past, in my opinion. I think they struggle to score at times. Now, since losing to Maryland in that crazy game two weeks ago, where Anthony Cowan scored the final 11 points in the game, they've beaten Nebraska and they came. from behind to beat Iowa.

They're obviously, very obviously, a tournament team. And they've got a chance still. They actually still have a chance to be a top four seed if they make a run here. And I think this is a big game for them, a little bit of a revenge spot for them tomorrow night. It's going to be, in my opinion, Aaron, the biggest feel to a game in college park since 2010, since that Duke game where they clinched the share of the ACC title. I think that's right, especially when you throw in the fact that game day is going to be there for the first time in 15 years. You will have some students who come to the game day thing, go back, party and prepare however you want to,

and then come back in line. I think that this is going to rival some of those Duke feelings, honestly. Yeah, because there's going to be a ton of liquid refreshment preparation during the course of the day. I will be partaking as well if you'd like to come out to Bentley's, I don't know, about 6 o'clock, 5 o'clock, something like that. I'm going to be out there prior to the game. Van Pelt's going to be in town. Scott's going to be in town. A lot of people are coming back for this one, in part because Michigan State has been the, you know, has been the behemoth in the league. And Maryland took him down a couple of weeks ago. And when Maryland went into the Big Ten, Aaron, this is the team that I wanted to develop a rivalry with.

And I don't know if we'll ever get Michigan State to feel anything towards Maryland. And right now, I don't really feel anything towards Michigan State. But it would be, you know, it would be a nice little thing if over a stretch Maryland and Michigan State played significant games for championships in league play and in tournament play. you know, they're going to play them tomorrow. They could potentially meet again in the Big Ten tournament in Indianapolis. And who knows, they can meet in the NCAA tournament. You know, it takes that kind of a thing. Just need more history.

But I'd love it to become a thing. But I think that if tomorrow night's game as an example were against Wisconsin, who right now is in second place, it wouldn't have nearly the feel. No, no, definitely part of it is Michigan State. who Michigan State is. And kind of building this out. I think one of the reasons I really want, not just the co-regular season teams,

I want the outright, is because for Maryland to become a thing in the Big Ten, they need something to hang their hat on. They've been fine for the past few years. They've gotten top four finishes, but they've never really done anything noteworthy, so they've never really given other fan bases or a reason to care about them.

So being a sole regular season champ and going on from there, whatever they could do, I think it's important for Maryland. I do too. You know, when Maryland went into the Big Ten, other Big Ten schools, basketball schools, I think we're really intrigued by it. You know, for the first four or five years, Aaron,

we're in year six. So the first two or three years, I can remember going to a lot of those Maryland Big Ten games, and there were a lot of fans from the other Big Ten basketball schools, like Purdue and Indiana. Indiana and Michigan State and Michigan. You know, Michigan and Michigan State of football schools, but their basketball programs are significant that showed up because they knew, you know,

Maryland was a big deal and having them in the league is a big deal, and they know and understand as college basketball fans what Xfinity Center has been for big games. It's been quite the atmosphere. And, you know, I remember many times talking to a lot of those people on the way out. The worst was the day they blew the 17-point lead to Purdue. I remember Scott and I were in Bentley's or somewhere else, and there were a bunch of Purdue fans, and they're like, Oh, man, that place was crazy, and I just wanted to say, you know what, we're sick of being in this dumb tractor league.

Put us back in the ACC. But anyway, tomorrow night's big. It'll be, it's a tough ticket, complete sellout, you know, to get into the building and any decent seat's going to cost you $300, $400,000 minimum on Stubhub. And there aren't even many tickets left in the aftermarket. It might even be more than that at this point. It'll be a scene out there. And, you know, in terms of the matchup, I'd like to see Merriott. own play better. I'd like to see sticks not getting foul trouble. I'd like to see Cowan

knocked down some shots. And I think it'll happen, you know, at home. The two games that they've had were neither one of them, you know, sticks was phenomenal in the second half of the game on Wednesday night. Cowan's stretch here of not making a three-pointer since their last home game against Northwestern, I think we'll come to an end. I think he'll make some shots feeling at home. But I think it's going to be a very tight game. You know, Michigan State's got this guy, Rocket Watts, who's been playing much better, really, really good defender. Cassius Winston, you know, has been player of the year in the Big Ten. I think Anthony right now has a leg up on him for, you know, first team all Big Ten point guard.

You know, I think he's got a leg up on Simpson and Winston right now for that spot. You know, if Cassius Winston based on reputation ends up winning or ends up being named first team Big Ten point. point guard. I'm going to be a little upset about that because I think Anthony's had the better year this year. But Maryland's got a chance to sweep Michigan State. Michigan State's not going down easy tomorrow night. I see a very tight game that Maryland wins late. This has been a team for the past few years that's really fed off of the crowd, whether it's the away crowd or particularly the home crowd. In a game like this, in a scene like this, something that, again, I don't think any of these guys have experience to this point, to the degree that I'm expecting. Right. I think they feed off

of it and the crowd gets them the win. Yeah. I mean, Aaron and I are experts when it comes to Xfinity Center crowds. Tomorrow night, I think, has a chance to be the best environment. And there have been some good ones, and there have been some big games. It's not like they haven't played some really big games in the Big Ten. You know, that first year when they played Wisconsin, who was ranked three, and Maryland was ranked 10 or whatever, and Iowa came in as like, number four or whatever, and Maryland was 10. There was that first Georgetown game. That was a really cool crowd.

Yeah, that was a great crowd that particular night. A couple of the UVA games, you know, in the ACC Big Ten Challenge were great crowds. I think you're right. I don't think they've experienced what they're going to experience tomorrow night. This is going to feel like, it'll never feel like Duke or Carolina's back in the building, but it'll be the next best thing tomorrow night. That's what I would expect. And I like him to win the game, what your prediction.

Yeah, I'd say 70, 66. Tight, tight game. Marilyn wins it late, 73 to 72. All right, there you go. All right, that's it. The NFL did release some news if you're interested in this, and we usually are about the Mexico City game next year. The Cardinals are one of the teams in that game.

The Redskins do are a home opponent for Arizona. They are a home opponent for the Cardinals, so who knows that game, the Redskins could play Arizona in Mexico City on a Monday night, more likely than not. Remember those field conditions? Two years ago postponed last year. It wasn't very good when they finally got that Kansas City Chargers game in. All right.

Thanks to J.P. Finley. Thanks to Aaron. Thanks to all of you. Enjoy the weekend. Talk to on Monday.