The Kevin Sheehan Show - Trump's Name-Stadium Stuff + Some Terry News

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Kevin opened with some of the news from ESPN'S Jeremy Fowler over the weekend and Fox Sports' Henry McKenna today on the current status of Terry McLaurin's contract negotiations. Kevin then got to President Trump's tweets yesterday about possibly killing the RFK deal if the team doesn't go back to Redskins. Eric Flack/WUSA-9 jumped on to talk about Trump's capability to kill the RFK deal. Kevin finished with Frankie Luvu's #70 ranking on the "NFL Top 100 List" and more on the signing of Von Miller.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Chean Show. Here's Kevin. So anything happened while I was out for a few days? I will get to Trump's tweets or whatever you call them on Truth Social in the opening segment of today's show. Second segment today of the show, Eric Flack from Channel 9 will jump on with me.

And he'll tell us whether or not Trump actually can. and I think he can kill the RFK deal. The show's presenting sponsor is always, Window Nation, 86690 Nation, windownation.com if you need new windows. A quick recommendation to start the show. Carbone in New York. Not easy to get a reservation,

especially when there are six of you, like there were for us on Friday night. But the food's really good, the atmosphere is phenomenal. If you don't know what I'm talking about, that's fine. It's not like there aren't hundreds of incredible restaurants in New York, but this has been a place that's gotten a ton of attention over the last, I don't know, six, seven, eight years. If you know what I'm talking about and you haven't been, but it's on your list,

keep it on your list and find a way to do it. It's not inexpensive, but I thought it was totally worth it. It was nice to get away for a few days. I was in Jersey on the Jersey shore. I was in New York. I was in Connecticut over the last four and a half days. I've got more time off coming up. I'll let you know when we get there.

And no, I've not done a good job of answering those of you who reached out very nicely. Offering to help with a best of shows, you know, idea that Tommy and I discussed. I'm hoping to get to some of those emails. I know I read a few of them on the day or two after we discussed doing kind of a Tony Kornheiser best of. Some of you really believe we do have some best ofs. I'm not sure that's true, but those of you who have offered to help, I'm going to try to get to you this week.

But anyway, enough about that. I was thinking about the show today and the show is coming up this week. Training camp begins tomorrow. Both Adam Peters and Dan Quinn are speaking starting at 1030 a.m., I believe. I think 1030 a.m. is the beginning of their press conferences. I will carry their press conferences live on my radio show. So, you know, Team 980 or theteam980.com from 10 to 1 tomorrow. And 1030, I will carry Peters and Quinn back to back.

And I'll react on the podcast tomorrow to what they say about a number of topics led by the obvious number one topic, which is, you know, will Terry sign before they speak tomorrow? You know, so that there are questions about the current hold out or hold in, however it works out. You know, what will they say tomorrow? That's going to be at the top of the list of questions for Adam Peters and Dan Quinn. saw the team's congratulations tweet last Friday, I think it was, to four different players who got married during the offseason. It was sort of a quad box tweet with, you know, the nuptials, you know, getting married. And they had the following written above sort of this quad box of, you know, pictures of the four. players that got married in the offseason that they were highlighting, and they wrote a wholesome offseason. They either forgot or they just left out Terry McClure, who got married in February.

Terry used social media to like a tweet that ripped the team for not including him in that particular tweet. Man, he is not happy with the team right now. Who knows? By the time you listen to this, maybe there's a deal done. You know, there was some reporting over the weekend about the Terry McCorn situation. This from Jeremy Fowler, Fowler wrote or said, and I'm quoting, if $30 million is what McClorn is asking for, which is very reason.

from his perspective. The two sides do not appear close. The question is, are they willing to meet this market that's gotten crazy where players are making 30 to 35 million per year at the receiver position? My sense is they're just not even close to that. And McCorren senses that, which is why he's spoken out publicly. So they have a big gap. They're going to try to fill here, but it looks like he's going to be a commander regardless. Close quote. So Jeremy Fowler says essentially Washington's not even close to 30 million. They're below 30 million, which is why Terry's frustrated and has spoken out publicly. But then he says at the end, he's going to be a commander regardless. I think that last line refers to the obvious, which is Washington's not going to trade him.

He's under contract, so he's not going to hold out. And trading him would be silly at this point. A, he needs to get paid by the team that acquires him, which always lowers the actual compensation that Washington would get back if they traded him. And secondly, there's not an obvious wide receiver that's on the trade block that could come back as part of the deal. or is available in free agency right now, like Amari Cooper's out there. This afternoon, Henry McKenna, not familiar really with Henry's work, to be honest with you.

He covers the NFL for Fox Sports, and he reported the following, quote, Terry McLorn, an all-pro receiver and team captain, is most interested in trying to bring a deal together and not breaking the team apart according to a source close to McLorne. If necessary, McClorn will explore every option, including a holdout, a hold-in,

and a trade request per the source. Everything will be on the table, the source told me. But McLorn is taking things day by day in hopes of hearing more from the commanders who have not talked to him about his contract in weeks even after he spoke out about his dissatisfaction. closed quote. So that came out from Henry McKenna Fox Sports this afternoon.

I'm kind of happy with one thing as it relates to this situation, and I'm pretty sure I'm accurate on this. I'm glad that the team isn't leaking information. Almost everything we've gotten, I think everything we've gotten, has been from Terry directly or from sources around Terry. his agent probably more than anybody else. Because this team's got nothing to gain by leaking information that could be perceived as negative or accusatory towards Terry. You know, this team used to leak like a sieve, and it was embarrassing.

And this group that we now are starting to get used to, it doesn't. You know, there have been things that they have said. publicly about Terry, but going back many weeks where, you know, and Adam Peters or someone else said, look, Terry's a big part of what we're doing and Terry's going to be a big part of the future of this team. It just would be really dumb on the team's part right now if they, you know, leaked information to try to, you know, get the exact story right, you know, to try to put their side of the story out there. They don't have anything to gain on that. I was a bit surprised last week, I won't lie to you, that my position on Terry's press conference, which was, if you missed it,

I thought it was overdone, I thought it was long, I thought it was annoying, I thought it was completely unnecessary. He spent far too much time validating himself, which he does not need to do. but still, even though I think some came away from Terry's 35-minute press conference wondering, what are you doing? You know, I still don't think the team gains anything by piling on. Now, we might get something tomorrow that changes my mind on how the team is handling this from a PR standpoint, but for now, I think they're smart for keeping their mouths shut. I do.

I think this is the right way to do it. And it's impressive that the organization has, you know, inside that building the ability to keep the lid on things. You know, not every organization can. And again, obviously, we dealt with an organization that there was no lid on for, you know, 24 years. But this, you know, group is buttoned up in a way that impresses me. and I'm just, maybe I'm just comparing it to the way it used to be, but it feels right to me the way they're handling this right now. Now, tomorrow could change all of that. Will Terry report tomorrow?

Will he report and hold in versus holding out? You know, it's 50K every day he isn't there in fines. And the last, you know, collective bargaining agreement made it impossible for teams to waive those fines. Now, could they build it into the contract extension, I guess? For me right now, I still have not changed my mind. I'm not concerned. I believe a deal will get done. I think it'll get done soon.

And I think when it does, the two sides will talk about how much they love each other. And move on. Tomorrow's going to be interesting, though. You know, unless there's a deal done between now and tomorrow's. discussions, press conferences from Adam Peters and Dan Quinn. All right, let's get to Trump and the name. This from Mr. Dixon.

Mr. Dixon writes, Kevin, do I have this right? For a long time, the city wouldn't do RFK unless they drop Redskins. And now they may have to change the name back to Redskins to get back to RFK. Yes, Mr. Dixon, you're right about that. For a long time, it was a non-starter with the mayor, with the city council, with key, you know, political people in the city, that they weren't going to take them back as long as they had Redskins as the name.

And now, you know, essentially to get them back to RFK, Trump is saying they're going to have to change the name. That was funny, and I appreciate that. Mr. Dixon. This from Victor Y, or maybe it's Victor E, in Bethesda, subject. titled Name Over Medicaid. Kevin, love your show and appreciate that for the most part, you keep your politics to yourself and don't bring them to the show. I, however, will admit that I'm not a fan of our current president. I voted for Hillary Biden and Harris in the last three elections,

but if he pulls our name back out of a magic hat, I'd be fine with losing my Medicaid for the name. Oh, I'm only 40 employed and I have great health insurance. So the Medicaid thing is mostly metaphor. Thank you for that. Victory or Victor Y. Yeah, I've heard from a ton of people who voted, you know,

for Harris, for Biden, for Hillary, who said that if they had to go back and vote for Trump, knowing that they would get reds, skins back, they would do it. Look, before I get to my thoughts on all of this, I am assuming that you all have seen the Trump tweets or whatever they call them on Truth Social from yesterday. But let me kind of summarize. He's calling for the team to change back to Redskins or he's threatening to kill the RFK

Stadium deal. And again, Eric Flack will join me. in the next segment and tell us all if he can actually kill the RFK deal. The second of the two tweets that he put out yesterday, I think afternoon and evening, you know, he said, I may, I may, I may put a restriction on them if they don't change the name back to the original Washington Redskins and get rid of the ridiculous moniker Washington commanders. I won't make a deal for them to build a stadium in Washington. Okay, so again, Eric Flack will tell us how Trump can kill the RFK plan.

And by the way, according to Eric, there are ways, because I've already recorded the interview with Eric, there are ways he can kill the deal. We're still waiting on the city council vote, you know. By the way, there was some news on that over the weekend that I will get to, with Eric. And Eric also interviewed the mayor today. But yeah, Eric will spell it all out in the next segment on how Trump could if he decides that he wants to kill the RFK deal in a quid pro quo for the old name back. So my thoughts on this are as follows.

And by the way, let me just say, I realize that my thoughts on this are going to be repeat. for many of you that listen regularly or have listened for a long time. But here it goes. So the first thought is this. Of course, I would love for the old name to come back. And I wouldn't care how it happened. Meaning if Trump was the facilitator of bringing Redskins back, it would be totally fine with me. And that's not a political statement.

I'm not here to share my politics. I think most of you who have listened to me for a long time know that I am not an extreme person, right or left. I am much more of what I would call a common sense close to the center person. And by the way, I think that that has been part of why I've discussed this topic the way I've discussed it over the years, being very open to the possibility that Native Americans really are offended and mass, you know, that a massive majority of Native Americans are truly hurt. I would never want anybody to be hurt by my language, offended by my language, sensitive to it from, you know, a racial component or a cultural component. But of course, for all of those years, you know, there just wasn't any information

out there that suggested that Native Americans themselves were, you know, hurt by the name or felt that the name was insensitive or racist. And in fact, much of the data out there suggested the opposite of that. And, you know, I think a lot of that dictated how I felt in the summer of 2020 when the name was lost after 83 years. You know, I thought it was silly and totally unnecessary. And I understood, as many of you did, and I talked about this for years, that it just wasn't going to be what the anti-nameers thought it would be, which would be something that would be embraced and something that would create a boon financially for the team. Of course, it didn't do that. I mean, you were talking about an 83-year-old brand that has a

had incredible emotional attachment to it. Snyder's the person that shoulders most of the blame for losing the name. We know that it was Dan who screwed over his minority shareholders, one of which was Fred Smith, FedEx being one of the top 10 NFL sponsors, and he took the opportunity to hit him between the eyes with something that really hurt. You know, and it may have gotten swept up in the summer of 2020 anyway. But I, you know, Snyder's the one to blame for this more than anybody else. The assault on the name over a long period of time from primarily non-Native Americans, for me,

always seemed overly performative, you know, based on the actual information that was out there. It seemed that the majority of people against the name were very much offended for the purposes of benefiting from being offended. And worse than that, so many of those that wanted the name gone, you know, were inflexible. They didn't want to debate over what was a very complex and debatable issue. They would just say dictionary-defined racist word, conversations over, mic drop. when really that was the conversation starter, as in, you know, is it an accurate definition or should it be changed or updated based on how Native Americans really feel about how I've said for many years, how the words actually evolved into a different meaning having nothing to do with Native Americans.

You know, second definition, non-pejorative, noun, Redskins, the team that plays professional, football in the NFL and represents Washington, D.C. Nobody wanted to have on that side, you know, a debate because it was hard. There was none of the data other than a dictionary definition that supported their position. You know, and worse often for me than even the inflexibility, the intolerance, the performative part of it was just, You know, the disingenuousness when it came to things like, how can you even debate this? The R word is equal to the N word.

Like, that was over the top dishonest. No one ever thought that for real. Nobody on that side that was intelligent and informed could have actually believed that the R word was the same as the N-word. That was insincere always. There are still, to this day, about a dozen high schools in the United States in primarily Native American populated high schools with the team nickname Redskins. It's still out there. As much as they've been pressured by non-Native Americans to dump the name, they essentially have said, don't tell us what we should be offended by.

Can you imagine a high school sports team that the nickname was the N-word? Like, that always bothered me. Like, they were really trying to get at your sense of decency. Like, how could you? Well, because they're not the same. They're not even close to the same. I think there were things the team could have done over the many years that they were taking, you know, the bullets from those that were active on this issue, trying to get them to change their name. But look, we said this forever.

Snyder's, you know, combination of being dense, of being stubborn, of being arrogant, of not having the ability to sort of finesse anything, that just inspired. you know, the anti-name people. And damn, I mean, although they were the minority on this issue, they really got after it. You know, they had some big spokespeople, the Bob Costas, the Peter Kings of the world, and they made it uncomfortable at times for the team, the league sponsors and partners.

I got sidetracked. Enough about the history of this topic. My thoughts on what Trump, you know, wrote yesterday. Number one, again, I would love it if the name came back, you know, barring a total change of Native American thought. But at this point, if there was like a total, you know, different result, like 90% hate it, think it's insensitive, the whole thing, I'd almost be a bit suspicious at this point. But, you know, they don't need it.

The name's gone right now. But, you know, to me, number of, one redskins to me should be the name and it wouldn't matter to me at all if trump was the one that made it happen but that leads me to thought number two thought number two is i don't think it's going to happen i am still where i was before trump tweeted what he tweeted i just do not think that redskins is ever coming back forget the obvious by the way about this which would include trump and who the hell knows if he really feels this or cares about it, would actually attempt to do something about it versus, you know, this just being one of those random, throw everything against the wall and

see what sticks, you know, moments. You know, he's much more likely to be on to something different by midweek than pressing forward with this. I mean, we're all observers of his style, you know, regardless of where we, you know, fall politically in our beliefs. I mean, we'd all agree he's a bit impulsive, don't you think? And sometimes a tweet or a quick soundbite is, you know, maybe it's strategic and maybe it's intentional, but many times it's a fleeting thought that vanishes as quickly as it came to him. Now, I know he's been asked about this before.

A few weeks ago, we talked about it. And he sort of very benignly weighed in on the stadium and name, but not everything he says or writes results in kind of lasting significance. So there's that, the idea, the possibility that he's just throwing, you know, shit out there. And then there's the, well, he'd have to convince the league, not the team, the league and its partners, private business, that they need to change the name because they're the ones holding it up more than anybody else. And he's a big NFL guy.

He's a big Goodell guy. He's a big Josh Harris guy. You know, let's not forget these guys were all, you know, Harris was a supporter and is a supporter of Trump. Not that Trump isn't capable of turning on people, you know, who have supported him in the past, because of course he's capable of that. But I just don't see a private entity like the NFL succumbing to something like this. And I don't see him pushing it, although I'm less sure about that. I know, we know, the stance of the team and the league right now, they've told us, Harris has told us,

Rails has told us, to a certain extent even Goodell has implied this, that they have, you know, 26 billion good reasons. to not bring the old name back. You know, $26 billion worth of annual partnership revenue. So I don't see yesterday being the first step towards, you know, a name, the name coming back. You know, Trump using his ability to kill the stadium deal in a quid pro quo to bring the name back. Even though, again, I would love to be wrong about that. I just don't think I'm going to be.

I don't think the old name's coming back. I just don't. Even after yesterday, I don't feel any differently. I just don't think it's coming back. Lastly, a few more thoughts on this, and I'll use this particular email to get into it. It's from KP, KP writes, and by the way, this is typical on days like yesterday and today.

for any of us that do what we, you know, what I do, you know, in sports content creation. This is very typical. You're just going to get so, you're going to get inundated with tweets, with emails, however you communicate with your audience. I've been reading, you know, positions like the one I'm going to read from KP. It's strange, but I've been reading these for years when it's come to, you know, the name or branding conversation. It's a small percentage of people who reach out on days like these, but of the legitimate, and I am not exaggerating,

thousands of combined tweets and emails over the last 24 or so hours that I've gotten on this topic. There are plenty that read like KP. Far from the majority, the majority is, oh, my God, do you think? Do you think it's going to happen? I mean, is it possible? Like, you know, that's most of it. But KP writes, I'll get to it.

KP writes, oh, Jesus, I can only imagine what tomorrow will bring. I don't know if I can take three hours of you on the name again. You are such a loser on this topic. You're going to do a whole show on the stupid name that nobody cares about anymore after last season, and you're going to do it on the eve of training camp. Let me warn you, names in uniform,

are loser topics for people like you. Talk about Von Miller, Terry McLaren, Witt Jr's big second season. Anything about the name is tune out content. I'm sure you'll kill me on this, but you know I'm right. That, by the way, was a good performance, KP. That's why I read your email. There were plenty of others like his.

That was well done. You worked in loser. You worked in the nobody cares about the name. The team is good now, so why would you spend time talking about the name angle? Excellent performance, KP. You got it all in in one email. And yes, I'm going to rip you. I'm going to kill you for it.

But most of what I think when I hear this from people like KP is it's, starts with anyway, like what planet are you living on? And why so intolerant of people who feel differently than you on this issue? It's just not that big of, it's a big deal, but it's not that, you know, big of a deal to allow for both feelings. And I've said this many times. This is a feelings issue. This is an emotional kind of thing. It's not necessarily well thought out. It's how you feel.

I don't think in real life there's a lot of division on this topic. I don't, but man, it feels that way sometimes on social media, which is why I'm going to address KP and others that wrote to me on this, because I just don't get people like you. First of all, it

starts with the easy stuff. The easy thing is, I mean, where could you possibly be living where you don't think people care about the name anymore? I mean, or the branding, the uniforms. How detached from this team and this team's fan base and the conversation around it, could you be, or do you have to be, to actually believe that the name and the uniforms that we talked about recently are issues that nobody or just a few people care about? I mean, the most viewed team tweet since the championship game was the tweet about the uniforms a week and a half ago. Well over two million views at this point.

Two million. I mean, some of this is going to be anecdotal for UKP and for others that feel this way. But if you were to ask any sports radio show host, you know, anybody that does what I do in this city, they will tell you the same thing I will tell you. And that is on a day like today, and by the way, I was not on radio today. I was on my way back from being away. I was off of radio today. So this is the first time I'm weighing in on the topics of today's, what would have been the main topic on today's radio show. But on a day like today, man, it is a total layup.

The phone lines are lit before you even start the show. and they stay lit up for the entire time. No, KP, it's not really a loser topic on a day like today. You know, I would have taken at least an hour plus of calls, and if I hadn't, my program director would have been pissed. A day like today is easy. So your, you know, let me warn you, the name in uniforms or loser topics for you is terrible advice.

I mean, you writing its tune-out content, you have no clue as to how embarrassingly wrong you are. I mean, you are so far off. Days like today, the show produces itself. The only days that are easier,

and they're only slightly easier in terms of producing themselves, are Monday shows during the season, you know, the day after a game. could be, you know, Friday also. Talking about an actual game gets more of a response. It's close, but it gets more of a response. The name is number two, and everything else is distant after that.

You know, how much longer will it be this major topic? I don't know, but we're five years now, five years since the loss of the name. Two years, by the way, let me just digress. Two years ago today, the sale of the team. was finalized. Two-year anniversary of Snyder is gone. Welcome Josh Harris, Mitchell, Rails, Mark Eind, Magic Johnson, and all of the rest of you. And thank you again from the bottom of my heart for doing what you did. Six billion two years ago, by the way, looks pretty good now with the $10 billion Lakers sale, because it's worth more today than it was when they bought it. But five years after

the loss of the name, and, you know, it just still, resonates in a major way. All it took was a few tweets from Trump and Redskin Nation went nuts. Nuts. So, you know, it's almost a waste of time to address something that's so obvious

and so, you know, for someone like KP, revealing of ignorance on his part. I mean, the nobody cares about the named crowd just baffles me every time I read it or hear it. They just can't be, you know, attached. They've got to be on the periphery of team conversation. Secondly, my God, the majority of fans that do care about the name are entitled to care about the name. Stop being so intolerant of those that don't agree with you on this subject.

I'll say it right now. I've said it so many times. I don't have any problem with UKP or anybody else that thinks that the conversation about the name is a waste of time. You're totally entitled to that opinion. And for a lot of you that feel that way, in most cases, you just didn't have, I don't think, the same experience that many of us had with the team. Not all of you, but I'm a loser for talking about the name or caring about the name or starting. feeling the loss of the name? I'm sorry, but I'll continue to express how I feel regardless of how you feel. And so will others who lost some of, you know, if not all, of the passion that they

had for the team because of something, you know, marketing and branding people will explain as being kind of emotionally detached, you know, less connected because of a major product or a major brand change. I'm not even going to go into my normal sort of diatribe about, you know, this conversation isn't for people like KP. It's a family issue. It's for those that aren't, you know, that feel it. Those that aren't lifelong fans don't feel it. So I don't really care what somebody like KP thinks. But I totally respect your right to feel the way you do. Apparently with people like you, though, that thought is not reciprocated. I don't get that.

I honestly don't get why you think it is like some horrible thing to still feel the name issue. Lastly, stop it already with the, you know, are you really going to talk about the name on the eve of training camp? Are you really going to talk about or care about or obsess about the name when Terry's going through a contract negotiation? battle. Are you really going to talk about the name or even give it two seconds of thought when they had the season they had last year? What is it with people like you, KP? I don't get it. What can't you understand about the ability to care about, to talk about, to think about more than one thing at a time? Yes, I can care about the name and also simultaneously. wonder and talk about and think about and care about if Terry's deal is going to get done

before training camp begins or if Debo Samuel's in shape. I mean, do you limit yourself to caring or thinking about just one thing? I mean, join those of us that can multitask or care about a lot of things, you know, at the same time, talk about a lot of things and do a lot of things simultaneously. It's a more interesting view most of the time, I have to say. It's incredible how that's become part of kind of the social media divisiveness about the name with fans of the team. You know, how can you possibly talk about or care about the name after they went 12 and 5 and won two playoff games for the first time since 1991? I don't know, but I promise you I can do it.

I can actually care about the name and also really embrace and enjoy the 12 and 5 regular season and the two playoff wins. It's not that hard. Honestly, it's not. But for people like KP, man, they are really stuck on this. All right. Anyway, I would love the name to come back. I don't think it ever will. Not in my lifetime more likely than not.

I mean, I still hold out hope that they will change the name to like Washington football team. That's still my preference other than Redskins. You know, what I think is within reach. I mean, they shut the door on all of it, you know, back in February when Josh Harris said, you know, those inside the building, right? Really like the commanders. That's about the only thing that he has said, you know, in the last year that really, you know, irked me.

Like, I don't really give a crap about what people in your building think. They just got here. You know, those aren't the customers. Your customers are not in your building. So, you know, I still hold out hope. I mean, the uniforms, alt uniforms this coming year, I think that becomes more permanent in 26. and I think, you know, at least it'll look like the team used to look.

And I, you know, I still think considering things like, you know, merchandise sales, even though Jaden's jersey is still, you know, a very high selling jersey, overall the team is, you know, I don't know that they're at the bottom, but I think the last time I read something about it, they're in like the bottom third of merchandising sales. You know, tickets, you know, they were near the bottom of the league last year in attendance. They're not sold out yet for this year. I'm going to tell you right now, I keep getting calls from people pitching me on ticket availability. And I did it, you know, not as, oh,

by the way, I talk about your team every day on radio and on a podcast, but actually just, you know, digging to try to figure out what their situation is. And I'm getting three calls a week, two to three calls a week. So they're, you know, they're still trying to hump it on ticket sales. But, Yeah, I still hold out hope that at some point they'll realize, even though I don't think they'll ever go back to Redskins, I still feel that way, very strongly, even after yesterday, that maybe Washington football team, or God, you know, why couldn't they have just done warriors?

I would have preferred Washington football team. We'll call them the skins, old uniforms. You know how I feel. Anyway, tomorrow is the first day of training camp, and we can talk about that. on the show. I've already talked about Terry's situation and some of the reports from that over the weekend. So we've got a lot of football talk coming up. By the way, in the third segment of this show, I'm going to talk about Frankie Louvo, and I'm going to talk a little bit more about Von Miller's

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especially the second one where he indicated that if they don't change the name, he'll kill the RFK Stadium deal, was, can he actually do that? Eric's done as, you know, he typically does in these situations. He's done all the homework, talk to all the right people, and he is here to tell us the answer to that question and probably a few more that I have. But let's start with that one, Eric. Can Trump actually kill the RFK deal? He can actually stop the stadium from moving forward.

He's got three different avenues to do so, one direct, two indirect. One, he does have the ability to issue executive action to can't the lease the city has, just signed with National Park Service and the federal government to build the stadium, he could claim that D.C. government is violating the terms of the lease by not doing anything to redevelop the land. Now, the lease didn't say they had to build a football stadium there, but they were supposed to do something with it. And he could say the inaction is a violation of the That would end up in court. D.C. would sue to question that, but it would send the whole process into a legal no-man's land,

which would cause delays that could effectively kill an RFK reunion for the Washington football team. The other two options he has are a little bit more indirect. One, the National Capital Planning Commission cast critical votes on construction projects that are moving forward, including RFK. The construction projects can't move forward without these sort of procedural votes and approvals from the National Capital Planning Commission. The Commission of Fine Arts of All things reviews design and the aesthetics of all DC construction to make sure that anything major built in D.C. has that D.C. vibe to it. It's the same group that doesn't allow anything to be built taller than the Washington monument. The reason we don't have huge big skyscrapers here, like other big cities and D.C. has that iconic look to it. Donald Trump has just recently appointed board members to both of those

commissions, giving him real influence on how they vote. And conceivably, he could sandbag votes on in later stages of this process as the plans try to get that approval to put shovels in the ground and to actually build the stadium. So, all right, number one is canceling the lease. I'm going to come back to that. Number two is these, you know, capital planning construction project, you know, things that need to actually get passed by a group called the National Capital Planning. Commission, which Trump has appointed recently board members to.

And number three, the Commission of Fine Arts. They have to review all D.C. construction plans to make sure our city continues to look very unique compared to most cities, especially when it comes to a building height, as we all know. On number two and number three, I guess I never knew this. I'm not sure that we've spent much time in our conversation. previously talking about it. Let's say the president never tweeted out anything,

and the city council passed the deal that the team has with Mayor Bowser in the city. You're telling me that even after everything got passed, there was the possibility down the road that the National Capital Planning Commission could have killed some of the project or added expense to the project, and the Commission of Fine Arts could have done the same, thing? Well, yes, and no, Kevin. Yes, they had the ability to, but no, it probably wouldn't have if Trump didn't make an issue out of it or didn't turn his eye or attention to it. Keep in mind,

when you talk to the team, and this is something we have talked about, about stadium timelines, and they say, well, we have to get all the, you know, approvals through the process. before we can put shovels in the ground. This is what they're talking about. It's the D.C. Council approving it. Well, we need them to approve it so we can then get the plans approved by all these other steps that you have to go through in D.C. so that we can then put shovels in the ground and ultimately make our 2030 timeline. These are some of the steps that they kind of said they needed to get going on to meet their timeline. And so, you know, we didn't think much of it because typically it's all very procedural. But these are all steps that they were always going to have to go through,

but they were steps that nobody really thought much about until now. Until now. That's, okay, that's fair. So let's go to number one, canceling the lease. And you said that they may be in violation of the lease because of inaction. So just to refresh everybody's memory, remember this was federally owned land that had been leased to the city, but that lease was running out. They needed the lease updated, amended.

That happened at the 2 a.m. hour with Chuck Schumer involved in December, when it looked like maybe it was going to die on the vine. And all of a sudden, the city had a new lease with the federal government who owns the land, the Department of Interior, for another 100 years to do, you know, a lot of different things, including build a stadium.

How could there be at this point a violation of the lease? When there is a deal that's been struck between the city and the team, it's pending city council approval, but there's hardly been in action. And that's what would ultimately be hashed out. in court, but the problem is that President Trump could issue the executive action and say, I'm taking this step. It would be up to D.C. and sue. And thereby, you're talking about a process that, you know, just puts the brakes on anything moving forward, all these planning commissions and so on and so forth. And then, and then.

you know, let's just say he was so motivated. Let's say that Donald Trump says, I am going to stop this stadium come heck in high water. Okay, well, so then he cancels the lease. Okay, well, then he loses in court. Okay, so the plans go through. And the team starts building a stadium. Ha-ha. But those plans now have to go through step two, which is the National Planning Commission. And I've got votes on that. Okay, well, they don't listen to me. and they vote to approve, they say there's nothing they can do. They have to vote to approve it. Aha, but wait, I've stepped three, where I can go to the commission of the fine art.

So, you know, and at a certain point, then you're the commanders, and you say, okay, now we're talking about not months of delays, but, you know, possibly who knows how long, as this gets hashed out and raked through the legal system and all these regulatory challenges, and you kind of just, it dies on the vine because of, you know, the opposition from President Trump. Now, I don't know that we're going to get there, but this is the potential. This is why everybody is, you know, pretty, you know, upset about this.

Yeah, look, Tommy mentioned a couple of months ago. He said, the fly in the ointment here could be Trump and him getting in the middle and mucking this thing up for the return to RFK. Now, he never suggested that the name would be a big part of that and would be, you know, the sort of quid pro quo in it. But yeah, you know, it's interesting in just thinking this thing through. If he really, and look, this could be the thought for Sunday, July 20th,

and he may be on to something else by Tuesday, July 22nd, and forget all about what he's. tweeted out. But if it really became sort of a thing for him, it actually would make more sense for him to wait, not cancel the lease, let the city council pass it, and then kill it with the National Capital Planning Commission that he's, you know, got board representatives or the Commission of Fine Arts further down the road where then it's like the teams, you know, already in it. And that might be their most vulnerable. vulnerable in terms of the name.

But the funny thing about the name, and I mentioned this in the open, Eric, is it's really got to go through Goodell and the league and the league sponsors more than it does Josh Harris, don't you think? Absolutely. And the other thing about that is that Goodell and the NFL and the owners want this team. Yeah. You see, it's good for business.

They don't want to be holding a draft on the National Mall in a couple years as the commanders build, no offense, Prince George's County, Maryland, build a new stadium, build their new $5-4 billion stadium in Landover. They don't want that. They want those shots during the draft of the new, you know, RFK going up, you know, just to Stone's throw down the road. So it doesn't make a lot of sense other than Donald Trump being unpredictable in these types of things and possibly wanting to just change the conversation from the other things that are going on in his orbit politically right now that he doesn't want to focus on. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, to be honest with you on the drafting, I think we've had, I mean, I don't think that it would be that. big of a deal because that stadium is going to be the stadium when the draft is held here anyway. The new stadium isn't going to be built yet, but whatever. That's not that big of a deal. You actually attended a press conference today where Mayor Bowser was available. Tell everybody

what you asked her and what she said with respect to this situation. Yeah, I mean, my first question was, you know, how concerned she was. They said, look, two-part question, do you think he can do this? Do you think it's realistic that he could stop this, knowing he has the opportunity to? And, you know, how concerned are you? Do you think it's realistic? And she sidestepped the question. She immediately put it on D.C. Council. She said, you know, what concerns me is we haven't done our part. Those were her words. We haven't done our part, which meaning as a city. And she basically said the D.C. Council needs to go ahead and approve this deal so we can move forward on the stadium, which I think now, if you're in favor of the stadium, has never been more true, especially with this Donald Trump thing hanging over everybody's head. I followed up and said, well, look, if the name change, would you then withdraw your support for the stadium? because for years she had said under a different ownership in a different time, she had said, I do not support the team coming back to D.C. under the current name.

So I asked if they changed it back, would you withdraw your support? And she said flatly, no, she wouldn't. So, you know, I think that that was a bit of a surprise to me, although I don't, I think, you know, there's so far down the road on this thing that, you know, getting the stadium done is her top priority. but, you know, it's to the extent that she, if they were to change the name, Mayor Bowser would still be behind this stadium moving forward, you know, one way or another. Now, again, I don't know that we're there, but it was surprising to me. I think that's a politically savvy answer. When I say politically savvy, I guess there's a way to not answer, but if she was going to answer it, I think she answered it the right way in that moment.

Interesting. That's really interesting that, yeah, because forever, you know, change the name and we'll consider bringing you home. Don't change the name and it's a non-starter. And now it's not significant to at least the mayor of the city. All right, quick break and a little bit more with Eric Flack after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, we've reached that point on the sports calendar where it is all about baseball. Basketball's in the rearview mirror. Football's still a few weeks away in terms of preseason games. So let's focus on baseball. Step up to the plate with prize picks and add your favorite baseball players to your lineup, whether it's strikeouts, RBIs, or first inning runs, make your call with more or less and play for your shot to win up to 2,000 times your cash today.

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Prize picks, run your game. The City Council has not yet voted on the stadium. They separated it out of the budget. I guess $500 million of the infrastructure stuff was in the budget. But in terms of passing this stadium deal, they're still negotiating it. Mendelsohn has said, you know, we're having nice conversations with the team. There was some pressure from James Comer the other day. The mayor is obviously, you know, I had her on this show a couple of weeks ago and said,

you know, where are you on a scale of zero to five, five being very concerned, zero being no concern at all? And she said, well, I get paid to be concerned, so I'm out of four. But two-part question. One, let's pretend Trump didn't tweet anything yesterday. When did you sort of have your latest thinking, the city council voting on this? Oh, I think August. I don't think they're going to drag it into September.

I know there's August recess, but I think there's enough. Listen, it's up to Mendelsohn to set the rules. and, you know, they've already passed mechanisms to which they can come back on recess to address the stadium issue. I think they won't let it drag out, at least the debate. And they can vote on this when they're not around, right? They can do a Zoom vote or however they would do it. I don't know the mechanisms.

They have passed the legalese that allows them to take. to take action however they want to do it in August. Now, a lot of conversation has to happen between some of these council members who want, you know, various changes. But they have the ability.

So I'm going to go with August. Okay. So if you had said that, you know, you thought there was still an opportunity. They'd wait until they were back at work in September before they voted. I would have asked you the follow-up, which would have been, did Trump's tweets,

create more sense of urgency to get a vote done sooner rather than later? Well, I think there certainly is the possibility. I mean, I have no, you guarantee Chris the ball. You asked me to handicap it, and I believe they're going to come back in August. They could very well intend to do it in September, and you hear council members more and more digging their heels in on not meeting any, in their mind, artificial timeline. I think to answer your question, the Trump tweet has to ramp up the pressure on D.C.

counsel to act on this. It has to. They might say no, and they might put out statements to say no, but I asked Mendelsohn's office today specifically for comment and also whether or not this changes the timeline. and he issued a statement that talked about, I've heard nobody complaining about the name in relation to this stadium, but he absolutely did not address the question and the elephant in the room, which is, is this going to cause you to speed up the timeline?

Because now you're dealing with a president who's starting to kind of, you know, get involved and put his hand into the cookie jar and start fiddling with this deal. And I think that is something that nobody on D.C. Council and the mayor's office and the Washington commanders want to see happen. How many votes? Yes, votes will there be? I still think it's going to be, you know, what, 11? I mean, I think there's only going to be two. I only think ultimately, I'm going down saying the only two that are going to vote against it ultimately are Allen and the dough. and I still think there is a way outside chance that Allen even votes in favor of it, too, especially if they kind of tweak the deal a little bit. And then what will Mendelssohn Crow about in terms of what he was able to extract for tax-paying residents?

I think they'll get money. I think they'll get parking money. I think the idea that we, that D.C. builds the parking garages and get zero revenue seems like, almost seems like there was a little baked into the cake as a clawback there, because that just seems not all that fair. Right. No, it makes sense that this is like, all right, we're going to let them win on this, so don't take anything from it right now. It seems like a little bit.

Yeah. All right. Great job. Appreciate you doing this. The answer, everybody, to can the president kill the RFK deal? The answer is yes, and there are three ways he could do it if he chooses to do it. Thanks, Eric. Appreciate it. Anytime.

Eric Flack, everybody, very helpful always is. Up next, Frankie Louvre made the top 100 NFL best players list is voted on by the players. and I've got additional thoughts on the Von Miller deal from last week's show when it was reported that he was going to sign. Now he has signed. We know the contract details. I'll get to that and more after these words from a few of our sponsors. Watson, climb me in the pocket. Now he breaks left.

He gets hit. And the balls out just ripped from his hands by Frankie Louvre, a human crowbar. Frankie Louvre back on October 6th last year at Northwest Field and Landover in Washington's 34 to 13 route of Deshawn Watson and the Cleveland Browns. I don't know if it was the best game of the year for Frankie Louvo, but in terms of sacks, the two and a half that he had that day was a season high. If you get a chance to rate and review this show and you haven't done it, it would be much appreciated if you could spend. the 30 to 60 seconds to rate us up to five stars on Apple and Spotify. Apple also allows you to write a quick one to two sentence review. That really helps us out a lot.

Also, following this podcast, just hit the plus button or the follow button. That's big for us as well. So Frankie Louvre is on the top 100 list. The NFL players top 100 list voted on by the players. that NFL network and NFL.com have been, you know, leaking out three, four players a day. We'll get to, you know, Terry McClorn and Jaden Daniels coming up here over the next few days, and maybe it will take more than a few days to get to wherever Jaden is on the list. Already on the list, Laramie Tunsell at 86 and Bobby Wagner at 74, excuse me,

and now Frankie Louvo at 70. I don't know if Debo Samuel's going to be on the list. He was 30 last year. If he's going to be on the list, it's going to be coming up very quickly. I have a feeling now that we're into the 60s, he's not going to be on the list. But we'll see. But I'm really happy that Frankie Louvoo's gotten the recognition here in the offseason. It started with him making second team all pro, which he deserved.

I don't know how many times I came in here on a Sunday. or a Monday and said that Frankie Louvre is easily the second or third best player pound for pound on this team after Jaden Daniels and maybe Terry. Those were the three best players on the team. I don't even know who would have been fourth last year. I mean, that's a discussion for another day. But Frankie Louvo, there were so many, you know, postgame pods that I came in here and said, my God, number four is so good. And that was on a defense that wasn't very good. But he was incredible.

54 solo tackles, eight sacks, seven passes defended, one force fumble, two fumble recoveries, and interception, second team all pro. How about this? This was put out by the NFL network when they announced Frankie Lubu as the 70th best player entering 2025. He was the only player in the league defensively. to record over 200 snaps as a run defender, pass rusher, and in pass coverage. He had 213 snaps rushing the passer, 450 as a run defender, 342 in coverage.

No other player had at least 200 in all three of those categories. He also generated the fourth-most pressures among off-ball linebackers in the league and his 27.6% pressure to sack conversion rate was the second highest in the NFL. He was an outstanding player. He's 28 years old. He'll open the season at 28. He'll turn 29 pretty quickly. But remember, this is a guy that started his career as a New York jet and even the first year in Carolina as primarily a special teams player. He is so versatile. In that statistic, the 200 snaps at least as a run defender, pass rusher, and in coverage speaks to that. He was outstanding, and you would think that it's only going to get better in year two

as Quinn and Joe Witt Jr. just got a load of what Adam Peters brought those guys last year in free agency. Frankie Louvo was one hell of a signing, and he's going to be a player that is going to be considered for an extension next off season. He signed a three-year deal, so you're talking about two years once we get done with this particular season, and they're not going to want to let him go in. Now, it'll be his age 31 season, but they're not going to want to let him go into 2026

with one year left on his deal, especially if he ends up having another year, like last year or even better. I think the best is yet to come. And I was thinking about something, too, as it relates to Frankie Louvre. And that's going back to the Von Miller signing, which became official after our show on Thursday. That was the last show we did. And I added in the segment about Von Miller because it was reported that he was going to sign. He did sign $6.1 million, one-year deal with $4.4 million in incentives. So some hefty incentives for Von Miller. I like this signing.

Von Miller was very effective last year as a pass rusher. The sack total, notwithstanding, he had six last year. Remember, you know, the year before he's coming off that ACL injury after getting eight sacks in his first year in Buffalo after signing that big deal. But Von Miller still has pass rushing ability. and a lot of the pass rush win rate numbers that we talked about on Thursday's show, the get-off rate in terms of his ability off the line of scrimmage. He's going to be a 30 to 35 percent snap guy that plays as a specialized or situational pass rusher.

Von Miller's not going to be in on first and second rundowns. You know, first downs that are rundowns or any sort of short yardage thing. Dorrance Armstrong is going to be that guy, I think, at one end. I have high hopes for Dorrance Armstrong. I've expressed those previously in the offseason. But I was thinking about something the other day when I was away. You know, Frankie Louvo could really benefit from Von Miller being outstanding as a pass rush artist or specialized pass rush guy and really drawing a lot of the attention away from Louvo.

You know, I think Von Miller could be Fowler Jr. But, you know, even more threatening. Will he replace all 10 and a half sacks? I don't know. But I think in terms of if he plays at least to the level he played at last year, he's more of a threat than Dante Fowler Jr. was last year. And that could really benefit Frankie Louvre. And the other thing that I was thinking about is Von Miller,

for much of his career, in Denver, in L.A. he was a 3-4 outside linebacker. And one of the things that I think Washington has to do this year defensively is they can't mess around with keeping their best players off the field. They've got to put the best on the field. I look at what they did in the offseason, and I'm still struggling with who the best are. Once they figure that out, and they're going to figure out,

and they're going to figure it out before us. They've got to be on the field. And to me, I have a feeling that Newton and Payne in particular are going to be effective players this year. I know I'm in the tank for Duran. That's fine. This is sort of a contract year, even though technically it's not. But if Duran doesn't have a big year,

28 years old, and that's what he is, then he's probably going to get shipped out with no real guaranteed money left on his deal like John Allen did last year. So if he wants to stay here and he wants to make more money in his career, this is a big year for him. I think Duran and I am still excited about Johnny Newton as I was on draft night. I'm wondering if Payne, Newton, and maybe a guy like Kinlaw,

or even a guy like Eddie Goldman, end up being guys you've got to keep on the field. And if you do in passing situations, could you actually, look, they had a lot of formations last year. And they played Lou Vu in a way in which it wasn't the same results necessarily or the same threat that Micah Parsons was, although it's not so far off from Parsons. He's not Parsons, clearly, but he is a talented player. But they saw him in sort of a Micah Parsons role. Could you end up in passing situations with Miller and Louvo as the edge outside linebackers. And maybe you're a Newton, maybe it's a pain that's out there for pass rushing situations.

Maybe it's Kinloh. Maybe Dorrance Armstrong, who really came on in the postseason, moves inside. You know, or ends up being one of the, you know, pain would probably be the nose in that situation. I would think. There could be some interesting, you know, base situations, but also pass rushing alignments. Now, you know, base 3-4 in passing situations leaves you with just foreign coverage. They're going to play a lot of nickel.

We know that nickel ends up being the base defense for, you know, more than your actual base defense. You know, if you're a 4-3 team or a 3-4 team, you end up playing more nickel. then you do 4-3 or 3-4. But I was thinking about Von Miller and Louvo on the edges as stand-up, two-point stance guys, what that would look like, you know,

with their best interior pass rushers on the field. Look, they generated a lot of pass rush pressure last year via the Blitz. They were one of the higher blitz teams in the league, and I think that's just the style of Quinn and Witt Jr. You know, Micah Parsons is a dominant player, but they still, in Dallas, pressured. They want to pressure the quarterback. They want the ball out early.

They want ball hawks behind it. They want takeaways. But I'm going to be interested to see what this team does defensively to shake things up. You know, a lot of new personnel, no doubt about that. But what will they do schematically? Will they change that? How will they use Miller and Louvre as pass rushers? Look, Von Miller's not going to be on the field for rundowns.

He's not going to drop into coverage. Von Miller is going to be out there to go get the quarterback in passing situations. But so will Frankie Louvo, I think, even more so, even though he is effective almost anywhere on the field, on any down for that matter. I don't know, just the thought that I had. Because when I was thinking about Von Miller after Thursday, I was like, you know, he's been, for the most part,

a 3-4 outside linebacker, right? I mean, look, you can go, you know, 3-4 ends up being kind of a five-man defensive front. And if you're going to send an extra pass rusher, you know, you can do that from a two-point stance. You can do that from what, in essence, is a five-man. man front as much as it is sort of a three-four looking, you know, alignment. But we'll see what happens. Like, I'm interested to see what they do defensively. And who ends up emerging the guys

that they can really count on, to stop the run and then to rush the passer? I think Frankie Louvoo is going to be a guy that ends up leading the team in sacks. Although Miller could be that guy. I think Dorrance Armstrong could be that guy. wouldn't shock me if Duran has a good year or Newton, one of those two guys ends up having a big year. I'll tell you what, given the quarterbacks and the offenses that they're going to face it, at least the way it looks now, they're going to have to be pretty impactful as pass rushers. But not a bad deal for the team with Von Miller. The other thing, too, is that you know now that T.J. Watts out of the equation.

signed the massive deal, topping the Garrett deal. Word is that Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals are getting close. So the team ultimately gave up on Hendrickson and, you know, I don't know if Watt was ever in play anyway. And they made a move late, you know, less than a week away from veterans reporting. Von Miller, you know, probably wasn't going to sign before the OTAs and mini camps were done anyway. But getting him on this deal now means they're not going to end up spending massive money on a Trey Hendrickson or T.J. Watt. I don't think Watt was ever in play for them. I think Miles Garrett would have been had he been on the trading block, which he never was. But now, you know, the big cash outlay for a pass rusher is now dead. You know, this

Vaughn Miller contract pretty much sealed a Trey Hendrickson possibility. And, you know, who knows? Maybe that was one of the holdups in the Terry deal. I don't think it was, but it's not impossible that they're like, look, we can't go any higher than this right now with them. We need to wait this one out with Terry until we know what we're doing in terms of a pass rusher. You know, all the talk in the off-season, and I admit I've been talking a lot about Hendrickson and Garrett and Watt and, you know, some of these other guys.

I mean, I would have probably preferred Clowny, not Judon over Miller, but maybe Smith, maybe Zedary Smith or Clowny. But it's going to be interesting with Von Miller, that's for sure. But the bottom line is they have to stop the run much more effectively. than anything else in 2025. All right, what else do I have on my list? Trey Amos agreed to a deal since we last spoke, which means all of their draft picks are in the fold. I'm going to save some of this other stuff for tomorrow's show.

Tomorrow's show will not be Tommy. Tommy's going to do Wednesday and Friday of this week. And what we'll do tomorrow is we will wait for, You know, anybody that's speaking beyond Quinn and Peters, and it'll be a first day of training camp show, hopeful of getting a player on this week as well. And we'll certainly shoot for Dan Quinn like we got him last year, a little bit later in camp, a little bit closer to the beginning of the season. All right, that's it for the day. Back tomorrow.