The Kevin Sheehan Show - Two Views Of EB

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

Kevin and Thom today with a full menu of post-Thanksgiving thoughts that included the direction of Eric Bieniemy's career here in Washington or elsewhere. Kevin also talked about the piece CBS did on Sean Taylor featuring his daughter prior to the game last Thursday.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. I'm here. Tommy is here. The show, as always, presented by Window Nation.

Call them at 86690 Nation or go to Window Nation. We have not talked since the Wednesday before Thanksgiving when I picked Washington to cover. And not only did I pick them to cover, oh my God, did I bet them to cover in that game. Really? Yeah, I really felt good about that game. I was not right, clearly. I forget what your final score prediction was.

You had the Cowboys easily, right? Yeah, I didn't have them 45-10. No. But I had them probably by at least 15 points. Yeah. So that was the last, I mean, it's been nearly a week. since we have, has, since we've even talked. And a lot's happened over the last week.

First of all, how was your Thanksgiving? My Thanksgiving was good up in Westchester. I was able to, with an app I downloaded on my phone. I put my headphones on, sat in a corner in a nice, comfortable chair once the game started, and was able to sit there and ignore the 30 people around me. I looked at my phone and watched the game. So what app did you download to watch the game? The NFL.com app?

Did you, was it? No, no, no, no. I forget. I don't remember. Roku. Maybe Roku. Roku? They had a seven-day trial, so it didn't cost me anything.

Gotcha. Okay. I was going to say you could have probably done the YouTube NFL thing because that's got a, I think that's got a one-week trial as well. Yeah, it had a trial, which I've signed on and signed off of. Did anybody try to interrupt you as you were watching the game in your corner? No. Everyone there kind of knows the drill by now.

So they knew pretty much to leave me alone. I mean, you didn't have to watch pretty much beyond the early portion of the fourth quarter, so that gave you an opportunity to join the crowd once it got to like 31 to 10. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's just, I mean, it's like once you've seen the car wreck, you can't take your eyes off. Okay. Yeah, that was, God, you know, one of the things that I don't think I've talked about in relation to the game, I had Cooley on the day after I had Jay Gruden on, we talked a little bit about it on Monday as well. I think I did mention this, but I'll mention it to you.

You know that for a long period of time, you know, 25 years we have been hosting Thanksgiving. You know, that's what we do. Right. and we've had, you know, gatherings of anywhere from 20 to as much as 40-something people before. And in recent years, we've had a lot of Washington Dallas games on Thanksgiving over the last 10-11 years. And so that's always a disruption. And we talked about that on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. I did just make a mental note, and I think I shared this with everybody on Friday's show,

that for the first time, there was just the least. amount of interest in the game from people who would have been really interested in the game in the past. And, you know, I didn't sit there and make it a big part of the conversation or ask why. I mean, there were still plenty of us watching the game, but nobody was watching it as intently as they've watched it before. And, you know, I think I told you, the plan was to have dinner during halftime and to pause the game, we did, and that enabled us when we, the few of us that sat down, in fact, I'll tell you right now, because I didn't share this. After dinner, which we allowed to last as long as we wanted it to last, nobody was in a big hurry to get back to the second half. It was 20 to 10 at halftime. My bet was still

very much alive, you know, at that point. I was still, you know, I think in pretty good shape. I felt in pretty good shape. I've said this a couple of times. Some of you have taken issue with it. I think the game was a competitive game heading into the fourth quarter. I mean, Washington offensively moved the football and seemed capable a lot of that game of keeping the football. They just didn't end drives with points. But I was getting 14 in that game. You know, when we talked about it, it was 10 and a half. The thing went to 14 by the time the game kicked off.

So I still felt like I, but no one was in a hurry to get back to the game. In fact, I think it was maybe three of them. us that went back in, turned the game on. And by the time others joined and they didn't join very, you know, attentively, they didn't even realize that it was already, you know, late in the third quarter, I had already fast forwarded through a bunch of commercials and that they had missed part of the, nobody, it's my experience. It's not everybody else's. It's my experience with the people that I have spent a lot of my time, friends primarily, not so much family members. other than my boys, that most people don't care nearly as much.

And I've admittedly said I don't care as much as I used to, which actually is a perfect segue into something here real quickly. I'll circle back to Thanksgiving in a moment, but it just reminded me because I had this, I had this tweet that I read at the beginning of the radio show today because I had just read it before I opened the show. Here it is. It's from Jen on Twitter. Why don't you say commanders? You do know that's the name of the team.

I find your straddling of the commander's line to be a problem. I love your show. Have listened to you with my husband and two sons for years. Just get over the old name, time to move on. So I think a lot of people in my generation of hardcore Redskins fans. I've said this for a while now, but the loss of the name, and I think you agree with me, should not be understated by new ownership in terms of the ability to get these people back. And it's not going to be. I mean, the one thing I've learned about Josh Harris, in part because

I've talked to a lot of these people, they are going to explore. Like, Jen, to your note, first of all, I do say commanders every once in a while. I'm not, you know, it isn't as painful to say it anymore. But it still doesn't feel like my team, and I want that name removed. I want them to go to Washington and have the brand be Washington, and I want the old uniforms back. You can keep the W helmets. I don't care, but I want that to be the brand. But for me to move on, I think they're going to be moving on from the name. I mean, they are going to explore this. They've already been exploring it, they're going to take seriously what a lot of fans have checked out on, and that is an organization that doesn't feel like their organization anymore. So to answer Jen, I don't know if I'm

straddling the commanders line, whatever. I say whatever comes into my mind, but I don't think we're going to have to deal with commanders anymore. The way to keep commanders, the way to keep commanders was for them to have a great season. Tommy, are they in the midst of a great season right now? They are in the midst of not even your typical Ron Rivera Super Bowl who send me my ring 8-8-1 season. Yeah. They're not even in that kind of season. This is the first year since 2019, the Jay Gruden-Callahan year, that Washington has played in December without any kind of hope of making the postseason. Remember, 2020, they won the division.

2021, they were 6 and 6 playing in December before the COVID-ravaged team went out on the field, you know, on Tuesday afternoon against the Eagles. Last year at this point, they were 7, 5, and 1 and getting ready to play the Giants after a buy week for basically the 6th seed. So this year is more like 2019, you know, was. which is, you know, five games we got to, you know, we got to trudge through without having them really mean anything other than what I've been talking about for a while, and I think we both have together, and that is continuing to evaluate Sam Howell, Eric B. Enemy, and seeing where that goes in the off-season.

Anyway, what were we talking about before I got sidetracked on the commander's name? Just that I just sense that in my group of hardcore fans, I just hope that they don't understate how significant that is right now. You are a big believer that it is kind of that generation of fans that they've got to win back even more than the younger fans. You've been trying to make me buy into that for a while now. So the name, Jen, will be an issue. Because the younger fans' viewing habits and commitment habits to a team to a team are much more sporadic than the older generation. You know, I mean, the younger generation, my impression is they commit to players.

They don't necessarily commit to teams. They don't go to games every week like the older generation did. They go to games when they decide on Saturday, let's go to a football game. or Friday. They watch highlights instead of watching games. I mean, you can chase that group if you want, and of course you want any group you can get your hands on, but that's not how you're going to build your team. You're still going to

build your team with the lost generation that you've got to get back. Yeah. You know, I... You know, some people must have been interested. 41.8 million viewers. It peaked. at 44-something million.

It was the third most watched game in NFL history during the regular season. So somebody must have been interested. You know, now, with those kind of numbers, how do you fire a defensive coordinator who brings you those kind of numbers? Oh, God. Yeah. That's right. We haven't talked about that either, although you did make me just read your column that you

have out today. And I did jot down one little thought about your column. I'll play editor here in a moment. But yeah, so Del Rio is out. By the way, they hired somebody today. Hold on for a second. I'm going to get this guy's name. A former Bill's guy or something like that.

Yeah. The guy's name is Jim Salgado. They hired him to be an interim defensive backs assistant coach. He was at Michigan State, all right, where, you know, that whole staff got booed. he spent six seasons as a defensive assistant for the Bills, and he was also an assistant at Syracuse when their linebackers coach, when their linebackers coach Steve Russ was at Syracuse. I actually, when I first heard the name and heard Buffalo Bills,

figured it was a Sean McDermott back to Ron Rivera, Carolina fit. I don't know why. I would guess that he was just available and on the cheap, maybe, because they had announced last week that Christian Garcia was going to be elevated to DB's coach and that Rogers was going to help Ron with the game planning. But anyway, well, look, you got your desire, which many people agreed with you. I didn't feel like I needed that, you know, we had these discussions. I did not feel like I needed Josh Harris to prove to me that he wasn't passive or complacent

or wasn't paying attention by firing somebody. I just didn't feel that way. I still don't feel that way. But it was totally justified that somebody paid the price for some of the performances this year. So the firing of Del Rio, do you feel like fans got, you know, that there's some sort of confirmation that Josh Harris is paying attention and that, you know, that they got something for, you know, the pain they've endured this year? You know what?

I don't think they're satisfied, but I think they've calmed down. I think the edge has maybe been taken off their anger and frustration. No, I think a lot of them wouldn't be satisfied unless Ron Rivera was on the shopping box. Definitely. But I think you agree with me that that would be more trouble than it's worth at this point. That would be a bigger disruption than you need to. you can deal with that after the season's over, you know, because most teams do not get better after they fire a head coach.

So I think this served its purpose. I think it took the edge off a little bit and just showed, oh, okay, you're right. We do stink. Maybe I'd better do something about it, you know, signal from the ownership. However, you know, however important that may be, on some level, I think you needed to do something. And, you know, it was the easiest, the easiest way to do both.

Let me just mention, because I had this on the podcast on Friday, because I learned from multiple sources after this went down. I was on the radio at the time that this was not, at least according to my sources, in ownership demand. It was Ron Rivera basically, you know, getting back from Dallas. and saying, I want to do this. Now, I guess you could say, because you kind of inferred this or implied this in your column, which I read in three minutes.

It was one of your longer columns of the year as a side note. But I don't, I personally was told that Josh Harris in ownership was not demanding any change after the Dallas game. And that Ron. Well, there's demanding and there's demanding. Okay. If you're talking to your owner and you say, you know, I think I'm going to get rid of a fire Jackdale Rio. And the owner says, well, that might be a good idea. That's not demanding.

The point being, he didn't go to Ron saying fire Jack. No. I don't think he would do that. I don't either. I don't think he would. I think he would have done that. I think a lot of people think that he did. But I think, I don't think, look, even for Ron, I don't think you needed to be a brain surgeon to figure out that you needed to show ownership.

That ownership needed a sacrificial lamb. Well, Ron gave them a sacrificial lamb. And we still have any hope at all of appeasing your owner. You should recognize that. You know, I think one of the interesting things about this, and I've asked multiple people on the show this week, and that is, that there didn't seem to be any sort of outcry, once again, for Jack to be fired by the players that play for him. And, I mean, you know, going to your column, then I'll give you my editorial advice post-haste here in a moment. But, I mean, you went back to, you know, when he was expressing his political beliefs on Twitter,

and he got fined $100,000 for the dust-up comments about January 6th, et cetera, et cetera. And, you know, that didn't get him fired, and we talked about it at the time. And the reason for that is he was still very much a respected coach in that building. Yes. And I'm not sure that he still isn't. I think he still may be. But if you notice the language in that locker room changed the week before they'll Rio was fired.

Give me an example. The language in that locker room changed to like everybody's supposed to do their job. You know, this is a business. You know, people have to be accountable. It, you know, it had changed dramatically to the sense that the players recognized that somebody was going to lose their job. Well, Tommy, the week before coming off that loss to the Giants, Ron, the next day, I think we talked about this, it was his Monday presser, so it was probably after.

we had recorded the podcast that day. I think we talked about it on Wednesday. Ron went the same route he's gone in the past. You know, after looking at the film, a lot of guys didn't do their job. A lot of young players made mistakes. He did that thing again. Yeah.

So. Well, all I say, the players in the locker, and their answers were more, you know, were cold. Yeah. Not necessarily, I mean, they were more detached from the situation. Well, that was going to be my advice to you as your faux editor, which would have been, I don't think, and I read this very quickly, maybe you did include this.

But why didn't you include in your column that it's possible that, well, he didn't lose support of his players a few years ago or whenever that was now. Can't even remember when that was. Was that the beginning of 22 or 21? 22 would have been. I don't know when it was. You too. And I thought, I think I still find that interesting. I still find that very interesting.

That given those comments in that environment that we were living in then, well, that was 22. I'm thinking 2021. That more players didn't speak out against what he had said. And we didn't have a peep. And not only that, we learned, you know, the players actually really liked them and really respected. But whatever. Jack's gone.

But that had nothing. That wasn't what the column was about. The column was about how unique that was that you had a coach in any sport, but particularly in Washington, D.C., who was fined $100,000 for his political belief. I mean, you know, how many times does that happen in our lifetime? I understand that. My point is that he, I would have looked at it. That was my point. Okay. And also my point was, basically, Jack must have really liked being a coach, the defensive coordinator here,

because he was willing to pay $100,000 to keep his job. What I'm saying to you is I would look at it from the other way, which is, you know, and I'd add, as you just added, in what world in Washington, D.C., does somebody say what he said in that environment not lose his job? and the reason he didn't is because he had all of the support football-wise from those people in that building. I just thought that that was also another way to look at it. You're saying you wrote that he paid, he loved his job so much, he paid $100,000 to keep it.

I'm saying how did he not get fired? Well, the reason he didn't get fired is that he had the support of a lot of people in the building. Most of the time, that would be. But the people in the building didn't matter at that. point. You're heading NWACP is called for your head. I know, and he still kept his job. That's on-county. All right. I mean, the $100,000 was their version of firing Jackdale Rio. Okay. Doesn't seem like a big price to pay. Well, you know what? Tell me the last coach that that's had to deal with that. In the history of sports. No, I know the point you're making,

and I don't disagree with how unusual it was. was, you know, that you're paying a fine for something that you expressed. I'm saying it's kind of amazing and it was in the moment to consider that he didn't lose his job. And I'm not saying that I felt like he should have because my view was that he, that shouldn't cost him his job. I said at the time and I stick by it today, the comments, by the way, were stupid in many ways because the dust-up comment, I'm speaking for myself, was absurd, you know, to describe it that way. He's entitled to that opinion, and by the way, many people agreed with him, but whatever.

My point was it was stupid because he was an employee of an organization that is a so public and B at the time was in so much hot water for all of the other things it was doing. And it added just an unnecessary fuel to the fire. and for him not to recognize that was stupid. Like, hey, Jack, you know, it's the Jordan line in reverse. Hey, Jack, even Democrats buy sneakers. You should have had that thought before that moment. But whatever. Right, whatever.

Whatever. He's gone. Like, honestly, it's, for me, it's such a non, it's a big story. And it was a big story on Friday. But all of these guys, are going to be gone on January 8th. Ron's gone. The staff's gone. I mean, the B-E-en-me question is still out there, understood. But, you know, it's like whether it happened Friday, Ron, Jack, one or the other, or it happens January 8th. To me, like I think I said to you in previous conversations,

like, if you were really going to be worked up after 24 years over the new owner, not firing a guy a month and a half earlier? I mean, what were you doing on these 24 years? Like, I mean, what we've had to endure? That either you can succumb to the pain or you can be sensitive to every little nick. There's two ways of dealing with it. And I think some of the fan base are sensitive to every little paper cut. I think it's built up much. I think it's built up a lot of thick skin for me as it relates to this to you, what I'm able to endure. That's a reasonable that's a reasonable point of view. I'm sure there's a lot of the fan base that seems immune to this kind of stuff

because they've had to deal with it for so long. Right. But let me take the car and swerve it to the right real quick or to the left, a sharp curve, and mention Eric B. Enemy, and that the jury's still out on Eric Bianemy. Yep. The jury's not out for me on a coach who calls. shotgun on a one-yard

game situation. I think even three to one, three and third one. Yeah, third and one and fourth and one. Yeah.

In that Dallas game, that guy, that guy doesn't work for me next year. That was such, and I mean, that was such like a detached

point of reality for a coach. Tommy, do you watch, do you watch other football? And then he did it again. again. Tommy, half the teams in the league on third and fourth and

shorter in shotgun. That's not unusual. Oh, that was absurd. It's not absurd. Half the league is in shotgun on third and one. Unless you're doing, unless you're quarterback sneaking. At fourth and one.

Well, yeah. You know, who would have thought of that? A quarterback sneak. I don't know, maybe the Eagles do it? They do it very well. It's going to get outlawed. To me, Eric Bianami heard himself significantly with that. That was ridiculous.

Oh, God. We're going back to the Dallas game. So on Bianami, let me just be clear in this. I would much rather have the team that I sort of root for. That's awful for me to say that. I do root for them, and I want them to come back as Washington with the old uniforms, and I'm all the way back in. but I'd much rather have the team that lines up on third and one and has a quarterback that can just, you know, shove his way to a first down.

Or we're going, you know, three tight ends, full back, and we're going to ram it down your throat. But half the league doesn't do it that way. I mean, it's been years since we've had, you know, slobber knocker third and one football from, you know, half the league. Half the league's in shotgun the entire game, third and ten or third and one. Fourth and one is inexcusable. I don't care what you say. You can talk it into existence if you want. But Robo thought it was ridiculous.

I'm not saying that. What was calling the game that day? I'm not telling you that it's right or wrong. I'm telling you it's not unusual. It's what the league, a lot of the league does. Quarterbacks are in shotgun. The majority of the time, whether it's fourth and 20 or fourth and two or fourth and one. This is like the kid going home to his parent and saying, well,

My friends did the same thing. Well, it's just the way... I'm not making an excuse for it. I'm just telling you, you're... You seem so shocked, and I'm telling you, you shouldn't be. If you watch football, you see it all the time. I watch football. They've got a lot of criticism during the game for that.

You know what? Announcers always criticize, especially the guys that have been around for a while, but half the league lines up in shotgun on third and one, fourth, and one. It happens all the time. telling you that. That's just, so I was not surprised by Washington and shotgun on third and one, fourth and one. I did not like the fact that the play call they had for fourth and one was completely botched in the backfield by Josh Dotson and motion and a center getting thrown back. Quite honestly, I think this team, fourth and one probably has looked to throw the ball on fourth and

one, fourth, and two, much more so than they've looked to run it anyway. I do wonder, though, why quarterback sneak isn't an option, because I think Sam Howell's a decent quarterback sneaker when they've done it before. So I agree with you. I didn't like the calls. I'm just telling you that it's not as unusual as it seems that you thought it was. But anyway, back to just kind of the Herc P enemy conversation, which for you was crystallized.

with the third and one and fourth and one. I think in my last podcast on Monday, I think I read this, and I'm looking for it right now because I want to read it to you because I want to get back into this conversation about Bienemy. Because this is, to me, the rest of the season

is about Sam Hal and Eric Bianemy. Sam Hal 1, Sam Hal 1A and 2, and then Eric Bianney sort of 2A and 3. And the rest of it is like, you know, way down the list of what, what makes watching the rest of this season interesting. Here it is. Okay, it was, so I got this thing from Peyton.

Peyton, first of all, he said something about what I commented on Popovich last week. I don't know if you saw what Popovich did when they were booing Kauai Leonard. But anyway, take that out. He wrote, Kevin, I need more of that Sheehan Irish attitude in the backing of an old-school Eric Biennamy. He's the guy, why can't you see it? He's the only person in that organization that's ever won a Super Bowl. I have loved his growth as a play caller and see a legitimate leader every time he steps to the microphone. Am I missing something here?

I agree that it didn't make sense to fire Ron Rivera and make Eric B. Enemy the head coach right now, but he should be at the top of the list of those interviewed when the season ends. He's been around winners. He's a winner. The Chief's offense isn't as good without a. although I'm not sure that should be entirely about the loss of the enemy. But we have, and then he writes in capital letters, the next guy in the building, don't let him go like we did 10 years ago.

And he's referring to all of the coaches on the Shanahan staff there. So, first of all, just because I read this on the air on radio, and I said, I don't know if he's right or wrong, but it seems like he might be the only guy with a Super Bowl ring in the building. Actually, I was way wrong. That's not true. Yeah, Ron Rivera's got one from the 85 Bears, and Martin Mayhew's got one, played for the 91 skins, duh. Steve Russ has, their linebackers coach, has two rings, and there's, you know, a list.

So anyway, you're done with Bienemy. It sounds to me like you are absolutely done with Bianemy. Yeah, I am. First of all, I think his press conferences do not indicate anything, to give you any reason to think, that he would be head coach material. I think his press conferences are sometimes pathetic, sometimes laughable. Okay? And there's a question.

For a new... The questions fans should be asking themselves, not if you should have this guy, but if the new owners should hire the best guy available. That should be. And actually, if the new owners can hire the GM, who hires the best guy available. That's the way to suppose to work.

That's the way it should work. That's what I think any fan would want it to work. But I think there are people out there that will suggest to you that, well, Ben Johnson and Brian Johnson and Kellynne Moore and why not Be Enemy over those guys? You know, if you're going to go, if the GM's going to look at offensive coordinators who have really made their mark, why not Eric Be Enemy? You know, I'm with you. You know, general manager, hire the best. possible person that's out there and fits what you want, you know, in the running of your organization. But I was frustrated early on with Bianami. By the way, even if Bianemy was the only

person in the building with a Super Bowl ring, that would not be a reason for me to say he's my primary interview here when the season ends. Okay. That's, that's, you know, it's got to be a lot than just having been on his staff with Andy Reid and with a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes. I do find him over the last five weeks to be somebody that's become more intriguing to me than he was over the first seven weeks, Tommy, for this reason. You know, that offense is different over the last five weeks. There was this thought that this guy was, you know, I think it's one of the reasons that basically nobody was interested in him during last off season, that basically Washington

was his only option. I think that he is perhaps somebody because of inflexibility, stubbornness, you know, short shelf lifeish kind of a guy, and people were concerned about that, even if they thought he really knew what he was doing as an offensive coordinator. What I've seen over the last five weeks, just from afar and watching their games is flexibility, not being stubborn. I was concerned that his stubbornness and his inflexibility, which was sort of the rep, a little bit a part of his rep, was going to continue to get Sam Hal Sack nine times a game, eight times a game, seven times a game. But I've seen a completely different offensive approach.

You know, it's, well, I shouldn't say completely different. It's not so different because they're still throwing the ball a lot more than running it. But like we've talked about, like it's more in line with what his quarterback does well, what his offensive line doesn't do well, what his other players on offense do well, and I applaud him for making the necessary changes. And what we've seen because of that is we've gotten the best of Sam Howell so far over the last five games. I mean, that giant game at home, you know, a couple weeks ago wasn't a great Sam Howell game. but he played a lot worse.

Four of his five highest QBR games are over the last five weeks. And so we've seen him trend in the direction the quarterback of being more consistent. It maybe is the way I would describe it. To me, it's a signal that the coach adjusted to the talent rather than forced his way of doing it down their throat. which is kind of what we kind of heard he was. So I've seen that he's done that. I'm less inclined, by the way, I brought this up the other day on radio. You'll love this one.

If you look at the numbers, they're just slightly better, okay, in terms of what they were under Scott Turner. Like this offense is basically 13 and a half yards different than it was last year. You know, a point and a half different in scoring. points than it was last year. You know, that's an overall average points. Remember, they've got, you know, I think they have a defensive touch. I don't know if they do or not.

I can't even think about that right now. Did they have a defensive touchdown against Arizona or not? They had nearly a defensive touchdown. Whatever. The point is that I actually think Scott Turner would probably have had better numbers with Sam Hall at quarterback. So Eric had the benefit of having Sam Hall at quarterback this year. But I've been impressed with his adjustment.

I've been impressed with Sam Howell's development and more consistency over the last five games in particular. And I wouldn't look at the numbers being just barely different than last year's numbers. I would look at what I've watched the last five weeks, which has been a young quarterback in a new system, an offense in a new system that's kind of come into its own a little bit. So chalk me up as I don't think Eric B. Enemy is going to be the head coach. I don't even think necessarily that I think he has to be interviewed to be a head coach. But as an offensive coordinator, I'm much more impressed over the last five weeks than I was the first seven, much more. Okay, let me speak to something else then.

And this is kind of from left field, but still deals with the Washington offense and Eric Bion. enemy. And I heard this on the, it was the Sunday night game, the Ravens and the Chargers. And what's his name? Jason Garrett brought this up. He said, Kellyn Moore, and I know the Chargers only had 10 points in the game, but a lot of people consider Kellyn Moore a pretty good offensive mind.

Okay. He told Jason Garrett that his philosophy was to run the heck out of his quarterback, his running back, and his wide receiver. Basically, his offense is built around three players, and everyone else is a complimentary player. And I think that that's the way that's the way the Cowboys used to be when it was Michael, Troy, and Emmett. Yeah. Okay, they're all three Hall Faders. Yeah, this is Herbert Echlor and Keenan Allen. Those are the three players that you're referring to. Yes.

Right. I think that this offense in Washington would be better served if they adapted the same kind of philosophy. I don't think they use Brian Robinson nearly enough. They don't run them enough. That's for sure. And we have a big disagreement about this. I think Terry McLaurin is a better receiver than he's been shown.

And if you give him more opportunities as the focus of the offense, I think he'll deliver for you. I think this offense would be better served to concentrate on those three. I think you have more consistency offensively if you did that. The Call and Moore philosophy than spreading the ball around. I mean, Terry McClurens has been targeted by basically a third more than any other receiver on this team and he's got the worst percentage of receptions to targets on the team. I've done the Terry McLaren conversation.

I think I did it in the podcast. If I didn't, bottom line is I like Terry McLaren a lot. I think he's somewhere around a top half of the league receiver and number one receiver, but he's not elite. He's not special at all. And I think we've learned that. I've always kind of felt that way to a certain degree, but I think we've learned that even more this year.

I also will point out, as my guy, Pauley did on radio the other day, Terry had, you know, an injured, he had an injured toe remember back in August, and it's possible that he has played not totally healthy all season long. That is within the realm of possibility. What's really interesting, Tommy, is that in Kansas City, they basically had quarterback, tight end receiver. It was Mahomes, Kelsey, Tareke Hill, you know, and that's the way they went after. people there for a few years until

Tarikil was gone. And so maybe it's that Eric Bianami looked at what he had and said, I don't think I have anybody's super special standout that needs to be fed the ball over and over again.

And they've spread it around better than anybody in the league. They've got more completions, more attempts than anybody in the league. They've got five guys with 33 catches or more, you know, which, you know, leads the league. in that category. I personally don't care how you move the football and score points

as long as you're moving the football and scoring points. That's the goal. They haven't scored enough, that's for sure. They've moved it a lot, though, here recently. But I don't know. Terry's not a strap a team to the back wide receiver, in my opinion. And as much as I like Brian Robinson, Jr., he ain't no Emmett Smith, or even in Austin Echler, for that matter.

And I don't even think Terry is Keenan Allen. I think Keenan Allen is just incredibly underrated among receivers. But like as an example, you know what? They have Justin Herbert. So it's apples and oranges to even compare Keenan Allen with Terry McCorn. That's the part of the Terry McCorn conversation that is so fair, which is let's see what he would look like with an actual quarterback. He didn't have one at all until maybe this year where he's got a guy that can actually throw the football pretty well. What else?

That's it. Your point being you think that would work better here, and so that's a knock against Derek B. Enemy. Yeah. But I don't feel strongly about that. I just think it's something to consider. The B-enemy thing. I don't think Brian Robinson gets the ball enough to carry on carries.

I don't think they run them enough. Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with you. I think that they've chosen to use, you know, the run extension. throws as a way to get him the ball as much as handing it to him. But I don't, I think he's looked really good as a runner the last few weeks. I really do. They've actually run him more, you know, obviously not late in the Dallas game. But, you know, he had the best day of this season against Seattle in that, and the last game they played that was competitive. They've lost to the Giants

twice, people, which is good for them. I mean, the Giants are ruining their own draft position by beating Washington twice and then going and beating New England on Sunday. All right, we got other things to get to. Oh, the last thing about B'enemy that I was just going to say to you, if I haven't said it already,

to those that are listening, is that I think the biggest thing with Eric Bianami, Tommy, is we don't know the story. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes in Kansas City. We can, you know,

we can make guesses based on the fact, like we did in the offseason, that only Washington was interested in hiring him, that Andy Reed was going to elevate Matt Nagy to the offensive coordinator position, even if Eric Bienemy had come back. We heard Ron, you know, stupidly say in public during training camp that players had come to him to express some dissatisfaction about Eric Bianami. So there's always been this smoke around Eric Bienemy, and I think that'll be a big part of, you know, the conversation about Eric Bienemy.

I mean, for all we know, like, ownership is talk to people and they're like, we're not interviewing him for the head coaching job. This guy is really good at a lot of things. He's just not a head coach. You know, he's got too, he's too rigid, he's to this, he's too that, he's too, you know, tough. He's got a short show, whatever it is. There's a lot we don't know that will end up being a part of the Eric Bianney's story, whether it's here or elsewhere when the season ends.

So it's really hard to say he should or he shouldn't or he will or he won't. Because I think that's a big part of the Eric B. Enemy conversation. It's not just what you're seeing on the field. I don't know how players feel. Somebody texted me that the other day when I was saying the same thing on radio. What do you know that you're not telling us about Eric Bienemy? I don't know anything. I know exactly what you guys know.

players apparently weren't thrilled with him over the summer. Then the players publicly said they love him. Sam Howe all season long has said over and over again how much Eric Bienemy and him fit and that it's a great fit. But you know, you know this. Speak to this. If your head coach is going public with players coming to him in training camp expressing dissatisfaction, and there is something to the Eric B. Enemy's story beyond what we're seeing on the field that probably will be in consideration. Yes. Absolutely. That was such a bizarre situation. He wasn't even here a couple of weeks.

How idiotic was that of the head coach? Seriously. In line with his MO. All right. We got other. We can't shut him up. We got other things to get to, including the, breaking news. Aaron Rogers has been cleared to play. Real quickly, let me tell you about Window Nation's latest deal. Right now, buy two windows, get too free, so you're paying half price on the windows. Plus, if you want to finance the purchase, 0% financing for

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is it possible to do more than three minutes on the Terps? I love listening to you. I was under the impression that the Kevin Sheehan Show talks about local sports. I don't need an hour and a half every single day on the skins. You used to coach basketball, and your knowledge of basketball is above average, so it would be great to hear you incorporate the United States.

University of Maryland basketball team on a regular basis. Tommy, tell Thomas, who my favorite team is by far and that I care the most about right now. Okay. Thomas, you must be a newcomer to the podcast, although you don't sound like it. Because if anything, Kevin Sheen has been accused of doing too much Maryland basketball. Not necessarily not enough. There is nothing that means more to Kevin than Maryland basketball. But it's November, Thomas.

Come on. I agree, though, with Thomas. We don't do a lot of other, you know, I did, you know, we did Maryland football a bunch this year, but very quickly. And usually just after the game, before the game. You know, we had Steve Suter on a couple of times. I had Loxley a few times on radio.

And trust me, you know, I watched the game last night, Thomas against Ryder. Okay, I've watched every minute of every game so far. It was nice to see us actually score. Marilyn beat Ryder last night, 103 to 76. They open up Big Ten play, Tommy, Friday night at Indiana. And then they've got Penn State next week. This was a rough start to the season. We talked a little bit about the disaster at Villanova.

It's November, as Tommy said, Thomas. And I, if I thought there was an actual business around just doing a Maryland basketball or a Maryland sports podcast, I would actually do it because it's my passion. I mean, the skins are my passion, too. But I would do it. But there's just, there used to be, Tommy. You know this. This used to be a town where you could make the case after Washington, after the skins,

it was Maryland basketball number two. I mean, a lot of Gary's era here. Maryland basketball was the biggest driver of eyeballs, of listeners, of anything else other than the skins. That was true in sports talk radio. That was true in a lot of ways that you could measure that, including ticket availability, television ratings, etc., etc. You know, more so than the caps, wizards at any point, it's not that way anymore. It just isn't.

We have become much more of a true pro sports town than we used to be. I think I would attribute it to, A, having baseball here, having had a World Series, having a hockey team that's won a Stanley Cup. I mean, Maryland basketball still matters, but it matters when they're playing their biggest games of the year and when they're really good. And so when they're playing big games, when football season is over,

in February, March, you know, March in particular, we can do 30 to 40 minutes on, you know, their win over West Virginia in the tournament last year. but to do it in November yeah it's not it's just not it's hard to do it's hard to do I agree

you know by the way just as a quick aside and I'm not going to turn this into sort of any personal attack I always find it interesting with all of the other teams in town that aren't named the skins I actually feel this way about the skins

to a certain degree because they've lost so much interest in recent years if I were the PR person at Maryland or at Georgetown or at or for the wizards or for the Nats or for the caps I would be on you every fucking week to write a column. I would be on every sports talk radio show host to say, hey, I got, you know, how'd you like to have the coach on? How'd you like to have our best player on? and there's not a lot of proactive.

There's a lot of passivity on that end, thinking that they've got an audience that's appropriate. It could be a lot better. Because you have people in these jobs that for the most part really don't know what their jobs are supposed to be. Okay. Look, I remember years ago when the Nats at one point had five players named to their All-Star team. Right.

And this is when they just turned the corner from being bad to being good. And we couldn't get a guy on. I know. On the radio show. I know. I mean, I said to the PR guy, I said, you should be holding a parade down Pennsylvania Avenue with Mike Rizzo in front of his five All-Star players. Yeah. My God, they should be every day.

everywhere. So this is a symptom of the business, of the public relations business. Not enough people in the business know how to say yes. Too many people know how to say no. Yeah, and I don't think it's no because of, you know, oh, you know, we don't have to help you or even a lack of recognition about how things like this and columns and reporters and talk show hosts, etc. can help them because actually for most of the teams in the area, it would be much more beneficial for them than it would be for us. I think it's that they're afraid at times to tell coaches, general managers, players,

you need to fucking do this. You need to do this. We don't have people watching our games or coming to our games or caring about us enough. And that is, this actually speaks to the course I teach, the business of sports media, where one of our messages is, you know, the media, your media relations affects everything you do throughout the organization. Right. And this is a problem with people on the top don't recognize, don't give their PR person the backing or the support to force these players to do this stuff because it's, good for the team. They don't value it enough. They don't put value on it. And if you haven't learned in this day and age that sports media has a high value, then I can't help you. You're just not

paying attention. Well, Tommy, wouldn't you even say in a market like ours, it's so much more important because, first of all, it's not a great sports town to begin with. I mean, this is a political town. This is, you know, this is a bandwagon town when it comes to almost any thing. And so there's so much clutter. And then you have this behemoth, even though it's not nearly the size it used to be, but it still sucks up almost all of the air in the room, you know, because it just does. I mean, you're going, you know, you go rob a bank because that's where the money is. You talk about the Redskins, you talk about the commanders, because that's where the interest is. That's where the volume, the high volume of interest is, even when they suck,

and it's not the same as it used to be, but it still dwarfs everything else. And so it's even more important in a market like this. I would say to that, then that's, I'd say you need to put on some off-season events, some things to basically call attention to the fact that you're still in town. in the middle of the commanders Redskins slash commander's season just something

to get the TV cameras to come to your event to get reporters to come some kind of thing you know I mean they stop their fan they don't do their fan their Winterfest anymore

they stopped doing it a couple years ago you know the teams just give up they don't they don't understand the value and they don't have the support behind them higher up to recognize the value. Right. So they get what they

they earn. Well, tell me, part of this conversation, I'm surprised that we haven't gotten to this yet. But for the Wizards and the caps and all of those other E teams and J teams and X teams that Ted owns, I mean, now they want to, I think

they prefer to funnel it all through the monumental network. Yes, they have their own, they have their own network. And it's like why wouldn't you want everything? And look, there are, I, I, I, I, I, the, the PR people in town, there are several of them that I like a lot and that I actually understand the challenges that they have. And you've, we've outlined some of those right now. But, you know, for the wizards and the caps, I mean, no offense.

Nobody cares in terms of like real massive numbers until they're playing meaningful games in the postseason, which hasn't. happened and won't happen for the Wizards for quite a while. The caps, they might get there again, and we love talking about the caps when they're playing in the playoffs. But like at the other times of the year, they should be outbound marketing. They shouldn't be sitting there, you know, order taking. I mean, that's not the business they're in with a bunch of reps in a room taking calls. I mean, it should all be, you know, outbound, aggressive.

But whatever. I don't even know how we get. But again, it speaks to how much value do you put on it? They just don't value it that much. I can't believe that you wouldn't value it in this day and age, but they don't. I think that some of these, and I don't think it's the PR people, I think there are people, and I've had these conversations with PR people before in town. Like, seriously, you know, I've said, you can't get me this person?

like do you realize that no offense but this is actually for a 15 minute period or a 12 minute period I'm taking a big risk moving away from what I should be talking about to talk about this like a big risk but you know it's interesting to me for whatever reason and by the way I'd like to you know

it but no and the PR people recognize that but sometimes the people that they work for don't recognize that I don't know how they live here. How don't they know that? But, you know, anyway, the Wizards. I had somebody actually say to me, why didn't you, you know, why didn't you talk about the Wizards Pistons game before it happened the other night?

I swear to God I had somebody tweet me that. I think it was tongue. I'm pretty sure it was tongue in cheek. Did you see the latest, you say the latest, Jordan? pool mishap from that game? Yeah, I did. That little stop on the baseline and just try to chuck it underhanded and he got thrown into the first row. Yeah, I saw that.

Imagine doing that on the playground. Well, I mean, I kind of understand the move there. It's just that you can't do it when you've got, you know, somebody lurking there, getting ready to throw it into the first row. Speaking of that real quickly, the NBA, as we do it very quickly, did you follow the story last night of these NBA in-season tournament games that were coming down to point differential for tie-breaking procedures? You didn't, did you?

I'm speaking Greek. What do you think the answer is? So let me try to explain it real quickly, because I don't want to lose a lot of listeners, but I think it was kind of interesting. So do you know what this in-season NBA tournament is or not? Yeah, I know. I know. You do.

Okay. It's some kind of thing. It's some kind of thing. They've had these weird-looking floors on Tuesdays and Friday nights. Yeah, I know. So last night was the end of group play, and now we're on to the knockout stage, soccer talk, the knockout stage with the quarterfinals coming up Monday and Tuesday night, and that'll lead to semifinal games.

And eventually, a week from Saturday, the championship game in Vegas for this in-season NBA soccer-style tournament. Well, the tiebreakers for group play wild card spots and even the group winner is point differential. So last night in these games, you had three games in particular where teams were up by a lot of points, but they were trying to run up the score. The Knicks were trying to run up the score on Charlotte at the end of the game. They ended up securing the wild card spot because they beat out Cleveland for the wild card, who at the same time was trying to run it up on Atlanta. Both teams had big margins, and they kept their starters in,

and they kept trying to score. And the opponents were not thrilled about this, but here was the best. Boston was playing Chicago last night, and to win their group, they needed, it was point differential. They were playing Chicago. They're up 29 entering the fourth quarter.

They played their starters. They played Jason Tatum the final 10 minutes. of the game, but here's the kicker. They started to hack a shack Andre Drummond and put him at the free throw line because they wanted more possessions to score more points. And Billy Donovan,

the coach of the Bulls, was not happy. And Joe Missoula went to him and said, Billy, this is the rules. It's point differential to break these ties. And Andre Drummond went one for six from the free throw line down

the stretch. And they won You know, by whatever it was, ended up being the final margin. But that's stupid. Somebody could have thought of that before the season started before they went into this thing. You just do some sort of strength of schedule, strength of victory for the entire season as a tiebreaker, head to head throughout the entire season, if applicable. That was dumb. Became a big story last night.

By the way, you know who's watching college basketball in the NBA? I was last night. I was watching Maryland and then I watched Sacramento and the Warriors last night, late night. Oh, my God. It's so hopeless. Sacramento and the Warriors. Give me a good show to watch.

I'll watch that. Did I tell you I went and saw Napoleon? No. Are you interested in seeing Napoleon? Yeah, but I don't know if I'll go to the theater or not. Should I go to the theater and see it? Okay. No, you should not go to the theater and see it. Really? You should not spend your money on this movie.

Wow. I was so looking forward to this. My son and I were so looking forward to this. Ridley Scott, Waukeen Phoenix. I mean, to me, Gladiator is a top five movie of all time for me. And it was disappointing. Really disappointing. I don't know.

I went to check to see some of the reviews, and I think the reviews would back me up on this for the most part. I think it did an incredible box office number because it was, you know, it was the night before Thanksgiving. It came out Thanksgiving weekend, you know, especially on that Friday after Thanksgiving, people are looking for something to do. God, I was disappointed, really disappointed.

That's all I'll say. I'll just tell you, you shouldn't pay. I've got to go see it. You shouldn't pay money. I'll wait until it comes. Exactly. Breaking news. But a good TV show.

A good TV show I've told you about before, Fargo. Yeah. You should watch that because they've started a new season, season five. Okay. After a few years of not doing anything, they started a season five. It's on FX. Okay. You should go back and watch Fargo from the beginning.

You'll love it. I will. You know what? That's been on my list. I didn't just say I will as a way to dismiss that. It's been on my list. You've said that to me before, and I should definitely get to it. I know that I'll love it. So how about this? Aaron Rogers cleared to practice 11 weeks after tearing his Achilles. He has been cleared to practice. Look, they've got to 21 days on the, you know, activating him from injured reserve, that would it mean that as of December 20th he could come off. That would be the last opportunity for him to come off, which means that he possibly could be back and be playing against Washington on Christmas Eve. I watched some of his comments from the McAfee show yesterday,

and for the first time, I think he kind of admitted that if they're out of it, there's no reason for him to play. Now this is still amazing that he's been cleared by doctors 11 weeks after a torn Achilles to begin practice. They're calling this one of the more extraordinary comebacks from this injury that people have ever seen. I'll believe it when I see him on the field as to whether or not he's being able to do that. But it would really be stupid for him to play for the Jets if they're completely out of it, which they are close to becoming completely out. out of it. They play the Falcons, Texans, and dolphins over the next three weeks, and they're

already a four and seven football team. Like, they would have to pretty much win two of the next three and be six and eight for him to come back to play against Washington, Cleveland, and New England to try to get to nine wins and get in the postseason. But pretty, I mean, I know he went a different route than the normal Achilles thing. There's this thing called the, what do they call it, the Achilles factory or something like that. It's out in California. They've got some new technique of recovering from this. I don't know. I don't think he'll play because I don't think they'll win many games and I think they'll be out of it when he's actually ready to play if he is ready to play. I think he's going to play no matter whether they're out of it or not. This is too big an opportunity

for Mr. Anti-Visor to show the world that he knows best. when it comes to these issues of medicine and doctors. He's not going to miss this opportunity. Did you mean to say anti-vaccine? You said anti-Vizor? No, no, no, no. Anti-Fizor. Pfizer, I'm sorry, anti-Fizor.

Yes. I mean, because he called Travis Kelsey, Mr. Pfizer. Right. You know, and I called him Mr. Antifizer. He's playing. Because he's got, if he doesn't play, it's because that this really, he really can't play. Okay, that part of this is

a charade. This so-called quick comeback. I don't think he's playing. I think the team won't let. I think he is. I think the team will have. He'll wind up playing on Christmas Eve. I don't think he'll play

because I don't think the team will let it play. It'll be biblical. No. It'll be absolutely biblical. It won't be. It's not going to happen. They are truly awful at quarterback. can't win these games. It's a shame because the truth is that what's clear in watching the Jets

this year is if Aaron Rogers had been healthy and played, this would be a team in the mix right now. Yeah. Not just a playoff team. They got throwing themselves to blame not to be better prepared going into the season without a better plan B. It's hard to have a plan B when you got so much invested in plan A. I mean, there aren't a lot of good plan A's right now. out there. A lot of teams with some pretty bad plan A's. But yeah.

Tommy Davido looks like a pretty good plan B, doesn't he? I told you he didn't suck right before the Washington game. Yeah. But he isn't very good either. All right. I want to finish up with something that I did not talk about on Monday. I wanted to save with Tommy. And that is Sean Taylor and the anniversary of his death on Monday. and the piece that his daughter put together and did on Thanksgiving Day.

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So I didn't watch it when it was on. I was not watching the pregame before the game on Thursday, but a lot of you said, did you see it? And reached out and sent me the link to it, and I've watched it. It's like two and a half minutes. If you haven't seen it, I would definitely recommend watching it. Jackie Taylor was Sean Taylor's daughter. She's a high-level volleyball player. She's got a scholarship to go to the University of North Carolina to play college volleyball.

And it was just, I don't know, it was just very emotional to watch it. First of all, she really reveled at the very end of Washington playing Dallas. and she says at the very end, you know, hey Washington, beat Dallas. And it was kind of a Washington-centric thing at the very end. But her memories of her father and the memories that were interwoven in there, which included words from Clinton Portis and Santana Moss, were really beautiful and very emotional. And, you know, tie, you know, when it's part of, you know,

a highlight montage of watching Sean play, you just realize, God, that's a long time ago. She was a baby, and now she's getting ready to go on to college. And she's lived the significant, you know, almost her entire life without her father being a part of it, but he's still such a big part of their lives. And it was just very well done by her, very well narrated by her. But, God, I just thought back to that time. It's 16 years ago.

it's not like it's a significant anniversary of his death. I mean, when I say that, I guess every year would be for those that knew him and were a part of his life. But I remember specifically that week, I also remember some of the, you know, weeks and months leading up to that season and that year. Remember, Sean was not, you know, what everybody thinks he was about to become early on in his career. there was a maturity issue with him early on. Remember he wouldn't return Joe Gibbs' phone calls on the field. He wasn't always in position. There were a lot of big blow-up tackle attempts that were completely missed.

But I remember the part, you know, both before his death and afterwards, where there was this maturing of Sean Taylor before our very eyes on the field and off of it. and he credited all of that to the birth of his daughter. You know, I remember players talking about, you know, how Sean has come into his own and has grown up and matured because he had a daughter that is everything to him. And, you know, I don't know. I was going to say something about Chey Shang,

but I'm not even going to bring Chey Shang into this conversation because whatever, wish him the best in San Francisco. but that was a season in which when people, like I think he's been built up to a point after his passing that some people believe has been overdone in terms of the kind of player he was or was going to be. But I think those people that do that don't give that final season enough due to his changing from being less,

perhaps mature to much more mature, and the season that he had that year, the player he was becoming, he was a dominant player that year. You could start to see, this guy's got a chance to be like a defensive MVP of the league at some point. That final season in 2007, remember, included the game where he had the two interceptions at Green Bay at Lambo that could have been like four with the range from going from one side of the field to another on a Brett Farrv throw that he nearly picked off. I think he had one where he picked it off, but he was out of bounds. He was a great player at that point. And I think we missed because he was

24 years old. We clearly missed what we're about to be the prime years of a guy who was playing the best football and the most mature football of his career at that point. But I don't think, I think people that say you over, his, his legend has grown because of his passing, and he actually wasn't what everybody makes him out to be. People do that with bias sometimes. I disagree. I think that we were about to see one of the greatest players that would have ever played for the franchise. I think a lot of his teammates felt the same way. Yeah, but sometimes they can get caught up in the legend of somebody who passed away tragically as well. Sometimes they're the biggest pushers of a narrative about a player that perhaps are a little bit inflated.

I just think that those that remember some of those inconsistencies early in his. career, forget how great he was in that final season before he got injured and then obviously when he went home got murdered. But watch, it's two and a half minutes, if you haven't seen it, just YouTube it. I thought it was really touching. And just to see somebody who lost their father in such an unbelievably tragic way and then it was such a public thing. and to see her and to, based on what I saw in two and a half minutes,

to see somebody who just has it, seems to have it all together. It was lovely to watch. I'll just leave it at that. Anything else from you? I got nothing else for you today, boss. Okay. It was great to catch up. We will do it tomorrow, too.

I didn't have a podcast yesterday. Something came up, and I couldn't do a show. Tommy was gracious enough to do it today. and you're going to join me tomorrow, too? Is that true? That's true. All right. Well, let's watch some NBA and some college basketball tonight

and talk about that tomorrow. Back tomorrow. Good luck with that. The things that she can do, you know, and volleyball is like me watching her dad on the football field. I know my dad is always with me. Protecting and guiding me. That's what I'm most grateful for.

And thankful that today, I have his wisdom, his guidance, and his words as inspiration. And now you do too. Continue to grow as a man and as a player every day. Appreciate everything around me every day. Never regret nothing. Be great.

Live every day to the fullest. Never have a day where you roll under the chance at achieving your goal. Make it happen. This is the 127th faceoff. The fiercest rivalry in the game. From my family to yours, happy Thanksgiving. Hey Washington, beat Dallas.