The Kevin Sheehan Show - Uniforms + Peters' Pre-Draft Presser

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

Kevin and Thom today reacting to the unveiling of the teams' new uniforms yesterday. They recapped the Adam Peters/Lance Newmark pre-draft press conference, reacted to Alex Ovechkin's hard lean that he wants to come back and play next year, talked Nats over Pirates, and finished up with some Wizards' news and NBA Playoffs.   For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Our listeners get the Harry’s Plus Trial Set for only $10 at https://www.Harrys.com/[INSERT CODE]  #Harryspod For all your garden needs: fastgrowingtrees.com/sheehan Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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86690 Nation. Window Nation.com if you need new windows. Tommy, two pieces of correspondence I am going to open up the show with. I'll start with Danny, who tweeted me the following. So glad you took yet. yesterday off, we didn't have to deal with your uniform obsession. Hopefully, they met with your approval. That was sarcastic, Danny.

Thank you for that. And then from Red Z and like 150 other people, Kevin, how could you possibly not have a show today? Someone better have died for you to take the day off. Oh my God. Yeah, I didn't do a show yesterday. I had no one died yesterday, Red Z, but there was a commitment made based on something close to that. And yeah, I'll leave it at that.

But I would have never ever taken yesterday off on a normal circumstance. I had, this was something I could not get out of. And so here we are today to talk about uniforms. Yes, sorry, Danny, but I think we're going to cover the uniforms today. I mean, Tommy, the team's video that they put out introducing the new uniforms yesterday at this point has 2.2 million views and it's climbing. Nothing they put out on social media generates the attention that name, brand uniforms, that kind of stuff does.

Let me stop you for a minute here. Think about this. Yeah. That doesn't mean that's good. That's not necessarily good. No, it's not necessarily good, but it is what it is. It's true. I mean, it's better.

It's activity. You're pleasing your fan base, but, you know, if the fan base has become obsessed with this, it shows that they're basically, they have not had much in the way of things to enjoy. Yeah, I mean, 2024 was kind of enjoyable, but it would have been more enjoyable if they were wearing the uniforms that they just debuted yesterday.

Because let me cut to the chase on this, and we're going to have more conversation, not just this. But I think they did a really good job. I mean, now, this is kind of what I've been expecting for a long time now. But I think overall, they did a really good job.

I enjoyed watching them in their championship era uniform. last season in those three games against Seattle, Denver, and Dallas. Now, I understand that the helmet does not have the Blackie Wetzel logo, and I knew that that was not coming back and it wasn't going to be a part of it. And I said that I think the Spear is going to be a part of it somehow, and that was kind of the Josh Harris. You know, we have a few surprises that we don't want to talk about today when he was in Phoenix.

Well, that surprises the Spear through the W on the Alt jersey. helmet, which is the all black. They don't, I, my only knit to pick is I would have put the spear through every W, including the primary jerseys. But, but the primary jerseys resemble the team

that I rooted for. You know, not the expansion team that landed here in February of 2022. So knowing that they can't do Redskins, knowing that they believe that changing the name, if

it's not back to Redskins would be equally as polarizing as commanders, or at least that's their view. My view is I think they should do something rather than nothing, but I don't have enough information to be sure about that. But what they could do and what they could control, even though they couldn't do it right when they got there, because they had these uniforms and the league doesn't allow you just to switch every year. There's a period of time. And I think they, they quickened that time period for Washington to be able to debut these uniforms or bring back these uniforms. But I like them.

The one answer I haven't been able to get is will they wear either dark or white as their primary home jersey? I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of mixing and matching. That tends to be the deal in the NFL with the exception of teams like Pittsburgh and Green Bay and Kansas City. but I thought they did a really good job. I do. I think they did a really, really good job. And the fact that, you know, it was at a necessity as much as it was out of desire, because I think it was both.

I'm glad nobody, you know, that is in, like in Danny's shoes. You know, I'm glad they didn't think that people like Danny were actually the majority, of course, they know that he isn't. Yeah, I thought they did a good job. Look, I can't speak to how good of a job they did. It's not my team. I don't particularly care about uniforms. The reception was overwhelmingly positive.

Was it? I didn't know. I honestly didn't follow. Yeah. It was overwhelmingly positive. You know, there was a handful of saying, not good enough. That doesn't mean it wasn't good, but it wasn't. enough. Right. Like I said, there's some

people, until they wear an Indian headdress out on the field, they're not going to be satisfied. But I think they did right. I think they did this right. I think, and you know what else? It made me think, it just reinforced how

fucked up 2002-22222 was. Oh, it's just I mean, it really just reinforced it. Vile. I mean, how little effort they must have put into what they did, you know, to come up with what, you know, come up with the uniform and the name process and the way they unveiled both of them.

So this just illustrates how, what a poor job that was. Now, one other thought, because I was driving somebody into D.C. last night. Shelly's? With somebody. Yes, with the Shelly's last night. For the birthday. For the, yeah. outside. Yes. I had a great, I had some of their custom blend beef burger. Nice.

And I was with somebody, and, you know, they're not a football fan. And they said, because I was listening to Sports Talk Radio. And they said, is this serious? Are people really care about this stuff? And, you know, you have two polar opposites here. because like you said, right now, for most commanders' fans, there's nothing they care about more right now. I mean, it pleased them to no end what happened yesterday. But to outsiders, it looks absolutely insane. Yeah, I don't think for longtime NFL people, it looks insane.

No, outsiders. I mean, people in the general public. Yeah, no, no, no, of course, of course, of course. But I had it. Why aren't they caring about? how the team plays or who plays for the team. Why do they care about this little nuance, this little spear? Look, this goes back to, you know, it's branding and it's the attachment people have to,

you know, consumer products, which is what an NFL team is. And, you know, during all those years when we were doing the radio show together, and the Mike Wise's and the Peter Kings and the Bob Costas is and, you know, they tried to essentially tell you to just, you know, be quiet. This is going to work out much better for the franchise. It'll be an absolute financial, you know, boon. And I said, no, that's not typically what happens when you change longstanding brands. You create a detachment, an emotional detachment with a lot of your, you know, consumers,

in this case, your fans. And that's what happened. Now, that detachment, to be fair, had started prior to the summer of 2020 when the team name was gone. And that detachment was emotional, but it was just because the franchise had changed from, you know, winning and first class to losing and despicable over a long period of time. And, you know, basically the laughing stock and the running joke among NFL fans.

But the name and then the debut, and 22 of the new name with the new uniforms was just like, okay, you're, now we've severed it for good for those of you that had that emotional attachment. Um, and they could have two, two, 2222 was done so poorly and it really wasn't that hard to do it much better. The uniforms that got debuted yesterday, those should have been the uniforms in 2022. Yes. It wasn't that difficult. It required an investment. It didn't just require an investment of

time and money, but it required an investment of knowledge and seeking out the knowledge. And you know, they ran a closed little club over there at Redskins Park in those days. They knew what was best all the time and they didn't need to seek any information out. You know, they didn't, they didn't, their institutional knowledge was what they said it was. I mean, the chief blunder officer. I mean, my God. What a disaster. Absolute disaster.

You know, I get a lot of the following. I'm going to read it. It's from my guy, Kevin in Arlington, who, you know, is a big listener, has been for years, calls, texts, emails, the whole thing. And he sent me this about yesterday. because I actually disagree with you to a certain level. I don't think it was overwhelmingly a popular day. I think that your other point was other than the people that, you know, won't be satisfied unless they're coming out in Indian headdress.

I think it was more than that. I mean, I just actually for the first time, scrolled through all of the, you know, responses to that video. And it's, it's 50-50,

you know, where's the Blacky Wetzel logo? Where's the name, the whole thing? But Kevin wrote to me, said, I want Harris and his team to speak to why the F they insist on having the block W on the helmet. Don't they get that most of the fans don't like or hate it, that don't like it?

Most of the fans don't like or hate it. And that it is Snyder's stench still. This is the part, first of all, I don't mind. the W, honestly. I don't. It represents Washington to me. I'd love the spear through the W, but I think that the spear through the W on the primary uniforms for now, they don't feel like it necessarily ties in with the name, although there was an interesting quote, and I'm going to pull it up here

in a second from somebody that was working on this with the new team president, Mark Klaus. But I don't view the last four seasons. you know, from 22 on, as a Snyder creation. Snyder was so deep into either trying to hold on to his franchise, stay out of trouble with all the investigations. But I actually think when this happened,

they had already put the ball in motion, put the wheels in motion, excuse me, to sell the team. Remember how disheveled he looked on that day when he stood on that stage out at FedEx Field with Thysman and with Doug Williams, he looked so disinterested. I just don't think he had much to do with this. I think he turned it over to Jason Wright, the CBO, the chief blunder officer, and his team to kind of come up with all of this.

And to your point, you know, they had all the answers, just ask them until they didn't. And then they would ask, and some of us would say when they would ask, you should have asked before you did it. Why didn't you ask me before you decided to retire Sean's jersey before Sonny's or before, you know, Daryl Greens? But no, they didn't. They had all the answers. I wanted to read a couple of quotes that I found interesting from John Kime's story yesterday after the unveiling of the new uniforms. The quotes come from team president, Mark Klaus, and also,

So chief marketing officer Patrick Arthur. And I'm going to read one of Patrick Arthur's quotes first. He said, quote, we wanted to bring back all of the traditional elements. So when people came to Northwest Stadium next year and they're watching the game, they see their team that they grew up rooting for on the field, closed quote. Yeah, this was all about an attempt to reattach to those. that had become detached. And again, the ultimate attachment vehicle, if you will, would be the old name, the old logo,

the whole kitten caboodle. But they can't do that. So they are in the business right now of trying to get many who have been detached from this franchise reattached again. It's not going to work for everybody, but it's going to work for a lot. I do believe that. You know, just, you know, in reading Kimes' story, and I have it up in front of me, you know, there are the new uniforms, you know, modeled by Jaden Daniels, Terry McLaren, and Frankie Louvo, who actually modeled the alt uniform. And it just looks like the whole team.

It looks like the team that I grew up rooting for. And so I do think even for myself, there's going to be a part of the, you know, detached that is reattached to a certain degree. not the way it used to be. But I think it's going to work for a lot of people. Again, not everybody, but a lot of people. So that was one quote. They really understood the goal here. And that quote sums up what the goal was.

You got to get this team to at least look like the team that we all used to root for. And then there was this quote from Mark Klaus talking about the spear that goes through the W on the Alt uniforms black helmet, but not through the primary uniforms helmet. That's just a W, no spear through it. And he said, quote, the spear is just a great device. That was part of the heritage of the team

and can also live in this ecosystem that we've been building around defining a commander. Closed quote. This is why I think that the ultimate result of the Blacky Wetzel logo that we all love

that it hasn't been determined yet that it's still in play there's still a chance that it could come back because that quote says that you know commanders and the Native American imagery isn't like a perfect fit

until we define what commander means and it could mean, you know, the head of an Indian tribe as an example. And then they can work Native American imagery back into it. So, you know, the spear is just a great device, part of the heritage of the team that can live in this ecosystem that we've been building around defining a commander. Yeah, the defining of a commander is hopefully going to take the path for them of being

defined in some sort of Native American way. That's the way I read it. And then Tommy, I think the most significant thing about the uniform unveiling yesterday, the new uniforms, is that commanders isn't on anything. It's not on any jersey. They have completely excluded the team name from the uniforms, which it wasn't, excluded from on the uniforms that they started to wear in 2022 through last season. That is not insignificant for those of you that don't know that this is a problem for ownership

and actually believe that somehow this is, as another emailer mentioned to me, me and a bunch of 80-year-olds in a home having a conversation. I'll read that to you in a moment. But that is, just because they're sticking with the name doesn't mean they like the name. Doesn't mean that the name is working for them. It just means they can't go back to Redskins and they don't think that any other solution would work out much better than commanders for right now. But don't overlook or underestimate the fact that the team name, isn't on anything.

So you think that's a big deal. Huge deal, and I'm thrilled with it. They can't sell these uniforms. You put commanders on it. They're not going to sell anywhere near as many. Yeah. No, you're right. And they understand that.

I got this from Robert. Robert wrote, you just did, this was my radio show yesterday. You just did your whole show on uniforms. Three hours of uniform talk. Come on, man, get a grip. You're not a serious person, or at least you're not taking your job serious. You would have been yanked off the air in New York or Chicago.

This matters to you and a bunch of wacky 80-year-olds. Bring the uniform talk to the home. I would hope your boss pulled you aside and said, no more of this nonsense. And then he gives you the biggest tell on this email. I moved here from L.A. five years ago. Fell in love with your show, but days like today, you lose me. Hope you read this, but I doubt you will. Yeah, it's just me and a bunch of 80-year-olds at the home.

Yeah. They don't care about anything in L.A., to be honest with you. Yeah. Maybe the Lakers. Yeah. I like them. It's going to look like my team, just like it did for three games last year. The problem was the three games that they wore them in, they lost all three.

And by the time they got to those games, the season was pretty much in the dumper, for the most part. But let's have some truth here. You're not going to buy anything related to this, are you? Well, I'm not a big apparel guy, as you know, to begin with. But I've never heard you. But you like talking about it. You just don't like where. Well, I have a couple of things with the W on it.

I don't own one thing, and I never will with commanders on it. I promise you, I swear on my children, I will never purchase a piece of apparel with the name commanders on it. It's really so unappealing to me. All of that is. Like I said last week when we started talking about this or two weeks ago, I don't have anybody in my life, Tommy. I don't know one person in my life, friends, family, any work, you know, circle of people that like commanders.

I just don't. I don't know anybody. Now, you know, that poll last year after they went 12 and 5, and we said it at the time, showed that 50% of the people either liked it or loved it. And we said at the time, my God, after a season like that, it's only 50%. I mean, that was alarming how low it was compared to what, you know, probably they projected it to be. But, yeah, no, I, I, I, I, now, I'm not a jersey guy. I don't, my kids had jerseys. I bought them.

I think when we moved a few years ago, I'll give you the, I'll give you the jerseys that we found as we were packing up the house. You know, all kids jerseys. 47, Cooley, before I even knew Cooley, I think I bought that for, for the boys. 26 Portis, 89 Moss, and there was no cousins, believe it or not. I think that was it.

I think there was a 44 in there somewhere, like an old school 44. But Tommy, I've never owned a jersey in my life. Not since I was a kid. And wore... Now, you see, the thing is, when I grew up and was even a fan,

it wasn't a big deal. You really couldn't. Right. You couldn't buy Jersey. Jersey. Yeah. And you could buy the starter jersey. Exactly. You could buy, you know, the little, they looked ridiculous, you know?

Yeah. I mean, like, like, but I got to tell you, if I still had the mentality now that I did when I was 30, 35, even, you know, 30, 35, I'd have a, I'd have a Joe name of Jersey. I'd have a Tom Seaver jersey, and I'd wear them. Still. I mean, you're 100% right. Even when I was a kid, jerseys were not a big deal. You couldn't buy jerseys except in the overall starter, you know, or Rydell football equipment thing. And I do remember having red skin jerseys. I remember having 43, Larry Brown.

I remember having 55 Chris Hamburger. I'm pretty sure there was a number nine, a sunny in there somewhere. 43. Larry Brown was my guy when I was a kid. in the mid-70s. And, you know, you'd have that plastic helmet and the plastic shoulder pads. And, you know, they, so that's what you could buy. It was, you know, all bundled into a box.

But, yeah, I just, I'm not a Jersey guy. I know most people that are listening are, but I'm not. That's remarkable. And I was thinking about this again the other day because I was trying to explain this to somebody. This is an industry that didn't exist 30 or 40 years ago. and now they're making money they make money hand over foot

on this kind of merchandise. Yeah, which is why commanders isn't written on any of it. Who would have thought back then, somebody had the idea that said, you know, people root for these players.

Why won't they buy their jersey? Let's sell them. Yeah. Didn't you say something last week about the guy that had the idea about something and I'm forgetting what it was now. It was something sports related. I'll think of it.

I don't remember. Oh, oh, it wasn't with you. I don't think it was with you. I was having a conversation about the draft next week, and somebody said, where is it? And I said, it's in Pittsburgh, and it's here next year. It's in Washington next year.

And my friend said, whoever came up with the idea in the NFL office to hold a live draft in a city they better have gotten promotion after promotion and been paid a bundle because think about what that draft generates. I mean, they're expecting 800 plus thousand here next year over the three days. 800,000. I know.

It's basically a woodstock for football fans. If they don't have enough woodstocks between the Super Bowl and everything else that goes on. but yeah, I mean, they put it out to bid for cities to host. Cities fight over it. If you were... That's another remarkable thing. If no one compensated you for going to the draft and maybe working, would you go? No, not at this stage in my life?

No. Right, if I were younger, I would do it. There's, honestly, there's zero chance that I'd want to be with 250 to 300 to, thousand people sitting around for hours. Hours, by the way, in the heat, I'm sure. Oh, no, it's a great television show. But I'll tell you what. They'll have, like, they have exhibits.

They have things for fans to do, like the Super Bowl. They have, you know, they have like pop up. I know. Which stuff. Yeah. I mean, they do things to entertain you. It's not like you're standing there at attention. the whole night, or the whole day.

Well, I mean, yeah, but there are some people in their jerseys, many of whom have their own name on the back of their Patrick Mahomes jersey, and they just sit there, and I am sure they are pounding beers, and they sit through that entire day. Because Saturday and Sunday, or Friday, well, Saturday is a super long day. Thursday and Friday night aren't that bad. But my God, when you get to Saturday, you know, it's long. Did you know about the NFL draft this year that they have reduced the number of minutes in between picks from 10 minutes down to 8 minutes?

Do you know, when I first started watching the draft in college on ESPN during the 80s, it was 15 minutes between picks. It's been 10 in recent years. Now it's down to 8. I heard Adam Peters say that for his press conference. That's right. I didn't know that until Adam Peters said it. I didn't know it either. The press conference.

Yeah. And it's something that they've got to deal with and be ready with. It's no small thing for them. Yeah. Now, the night two and day three, I think, are even shorter. I think that's just for the first round. I think that's right. I could be wrong about that.

I'll look it up. But, yeah. Well, I think day two and day three, they turn it over to their kids to run the draft. I think it's only the first night that they really, they're really there, Peters and Newmark and stuff. Yeah, and then Adam Peters and young kids do it. We're going to talk about the press conference, right? Sure. We can talk about the press conference.

Anything else on the uniforms? No, I'd make my way through everything I can on the uniforms. Here's one thing. Yeah. Every media outlet on the uniforms. the opening game, probably during the first preseason game too, but really the opening home game will have stories about and interviews with fans wearing the new merchandise.

Yeah. I'll tell you the other thing is that, you know, let's just say five, ten years down the road and they are coming up with ideas for throwback jerseys. They're not going to throw back to the 22, 23, 24, 25 team jerseys. That'll never be a throwback. That will be the apparel error that no one speaks of anymore. Yeah. How do you think, you know, the guys that put all this together are thinking on a day like yesterday?

I mean, they've moved on with what everyone did back then. They're blaming it on Dan Snyder. You know what? They did that a lot, too, even when it wasn't true. I'm talking about the last Snyder front office. Yeah. Yeah. Because we got some of that. All right. Let's, Adam Peters and Lance Newmark, kind of, addressed the media earlier today. We'll get to that next after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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he spoke, it wasn't even a question to him. He just decided I'm going to talk. You watch this, or you at least read the transcript. Did anything present itself as important to you? Well, I'm going to have a, look, I wasn't there, so I've got no, I've got no right to gripe about this. if I had a right to gripe about this, I should have been there. Uh-oh. Okay, at the press conference. But I just think, because this franchise has been the way it is, a standard question about the draft to every general manager should be, do you talk to ownership about the draft? How are they involved?

You know, what kind of feedback do you get from ownership? Are they in the room? who's in the room. I think given the history of this team, I think all that should be standard operating procedure, even with new owners. Yeah, I mean, none of it came up. As you just, you know, proposed what you would have asked had you been there,

I think I would have been interested in the answer. I think what you would have gotten is Josh and everybody in ownership, they are super supportive of the process. but they're not actually involved in, you know, creating the board that we will draft off of. Who knows? Maybe Lance would have popped off and said, yeah, do you know, they're sitting in my seat. I have to stand up and wait for them to get out of my seat, you know? Yeah. Then we would have known that Lance Newmark was at the press conference.

Yeah, I mean. And I'm not trying to infer. that ownership does do this. I know. I just think we shouldn't assume that's not a process. I would not have thought, had I been there, I would have not thought to ask that. And the reason for that is, is I don't assume anymore that ownership is involved in that way. And for, you know, 24 years, certainly for the better part of 15 of those 24 years, or more than that,

we assumed that ownership was not only involved, but calling the shots at times. Right. If you own the team, what would be your level of involvement? Hanging out on draft night in the draft room? You wouldn't have any discussions with your general manager before then? If I were a basketball owner, I think I would certainly insert myself into the conversation more than I probably even. should because I'd feel like I was, you know, capable of having, you know, a reasonable thought or two. But in this process, I don't know. You know what? Would I like to sit in on a meeting or two

where they're creating the board? Were they're working through their process in preparation for the draft? Sure. Would I ask a question or two about it? Sure. But I tell them, no, no, no, take Jeremiah Love off the board. We're not picking him at seven. No, that would not be what I would do. Look, and that wouldn't be unreasonable for have the owner, you know, sit in on a meeting, you know, the night before the draft, the owner should know what the game plan is. Sure, of course.

So, you know, all of this, you know what I noticed about, because I watched the press conference. I listened to the first half and I watched the second half of it. Adam Peters is a bit fidgety and a bit nervous, you know, in these situations. I don't know if you observed that. I've observed that before, but today in particular, you could tell, for whatever reason, he just was a bit kind of nervous and a little bit, that's shaky. Just you could tell that this isn't his favorite thing to do, which is fine. And I think part of, ownership's duty is to pick the right person for the job. But if that right person doesn't like hovering

and isn't going to feel comfortable with ownership in the room as he's going through his process with Lance Newmark and others, then I'm not going to be in that room. I picked him based on what I think he's able to do, that he's a talented guy. but everybody has a different style. I would never try to get in the way of changing style. Substance is much more important.

So there could be a situation with an Adam Peters where the owners recognize, you know, he's just much better when we're not there. And he doesn't have to worry about, you know, us or me as the owner. I don't want him to worry. I don't even, yeah. Who would you slap five pants with when you made the first? Strat, your first pick.

Who would you slap five with then? Well, you're assuming that I would like the pick. Can you imagine the owner? Everybody, everybody high five. Yeah, they do. They all do. Whether they like it or not. And you know what? There's about a 67% chance

that player's not going to be very good. No, you know, can you imagine being the owner in the room and the cameras are all there and they make the pick and everybody's up high-fiving, and the owner's just sitting there seething in his chair. I don't like it. I don't like it. No, I mean, I think that I'm trusting in the process here. And I'm trusting that we don't have ownership that's...

I'm not criticizing the process. It's just a question I would have had. It'd be good to have that information on the record. A lot of people have been critical of the process. A lot of people want to weigh in on the first two drafts already. I mean, people have killed the first draft after Jaden. You know, and people are already upset about last year's draft. I don't know why.

But I will say this. He did say that he did say that he expects this year's draft to be a lot like last year's draft with more activity in terms of maybe moving up, moving down, them getting more phone calls. They said when they had to pick for Jayden, they didn't hardly get any phone calls. Right. You know?

He also... In the hours, the minutes leading up in the draft. But he thinks, like last year they got a lot, and he expects that this year, too. But he says their inclination is to stay where they are. Well, he didn't say that that's their inclination. He said that he... This is the one thing he said that was somewhat of something resembling information.

He said he anticipates based on what he's seeing right now that they're going to make the pick at seven, that they're not trading up and they're not trading back. He pretty much eliminated the possibility of trading up. Trading up's never a really good idea if you're going to do it unless it's for a quarterback. There's a long history of trading up for non-quarterbacks and having those picks fail. But, yeah, I think he kind of feels like there's a better chance than not that they're going to pick at seven. That makes sense to me. First of all, those are the odds going into it anyway.

You know, the chances of a trade are not, you know, better than 50-50 going into the draft. Now, there have been, Tommy, a lot of big, time mock drafters that have mocked Washington as a trade-back possibility. Daniel Jeremiah and Todd McShay both had Washington trading seven to the Jets for the Jets 16th pick overall, the Jets' early second round pick, and Jeremiah had an early fourth round pick and I think Todd McShay had a mid-fourth round pick. But basically trading nine spots back and picking up a second rounder and a fourth rounder. They don't have either in the draft right now. So that would give them eight selections rather than the six that they currently have.

So it's just interesting that there's been a lot of the mock trades have involved Washington at seven. And I actually asked the question today on radio. Is there a player that if they're there at seven, you don't care what the offer is. You want to take the player rather than trade back. And for me, there's definitely one player, David Bailey, but I don't think he'll be there. And then I would say Sonny Stiles next. I would not say Jeremiah Love at seven as a running back. I would not turn down a trade back opportunity to accumulate more picks if it was a worthwhile deal to select love or even Tate. And I like Tate a lot.

But I think I would for Bailey or for styles. You love draft talk, don't you? Yeah, you do. Yeah, I do. Look, I've studied a little bit on both these guys, because I know you like Bailey, and there's been a lot of talk about styles. And I like both of them from what I read about them. So I think if I was a fan, I'd be happy with either one.

at seven. The player that, without question, was the majority of the callers on the show today that they would not want to trade back if he's on the board is Jeremiah Love, the running back from Notre Dame. I think that there is definitely a belief among most NFL fans and most NFL pundits

that Jeremiah Love is, you know, a transcendent generational running back that you can't pass on. I just disagree. I think he's going to be really good. I like him a lot. I'm not picking a running back that I like a lot at seven.

It's just not good value for that position. And so I need him to be, in my mind's eye, the next Bejan Robinson or Jemir Gibbs or Christian McCaffrey. And if I don't think that, then I'm not taking him at seven.

And I don't think that, but it doesn't mean that I don't think he's going to be good because I do think he's going to be good. But seven's too high for me. The guy, let me just mention, because, you know, people, this time of year, I am thinking about the draft a lot, even though I think it's an exercise that we're mostly wrong about. But in terms of being a college football fan, I love Ruben Bain. I know that there have been issues with, you know, the person that died in the vehicle that he was driving. And a lot of people have just learned about that for the first time. The short arms, you know, maybe they should bother me. I just saw him

dominate great teams. And I really like the player. And it would not surprise me if five years from now we look back on this draft and Ruben Bain was one of the two or three best players in the draft. And I also, in addition to Bailey and Stiles, I am a Carnell Tate fan. I do think he's going to be a good receiver. But I'm okay if they don't take him at seven and they trade back. I accept to trade back because this is a draft that's deep in receiver. But maybe my favorite player in the draft that won't go in the first round anyway. And I know I've talked a lot about him, but it's David Bailey's teammate at Texas Tech. I think Jacob Rodriguez, and if you watch Rodriguez as number 10 at Texas Tech.

He led the nation in forced fumbles. He was a turnover machine, turnover creation machine. He is such an intuitive, great football player. I'd be shocked if he isn't gone at the very least early on night two. But he's not mocked in a lot of first rounds. But he's certainly one of my favorite players

in the draft. I also love Denzel Boston from Washington, the receiver. Really like him. I like Omar Cooper, the receiver from Indiana. There are a lot of receivers that I think Branch from Georgia, I love. To me, he's Luther Burden and plays just like him. And who else? And we'll do more of this next week. I like Concepcion from Texas A&M, plus he's a lethal returner. And, oh, I like Jonah Coleman from Washington. And, oh, I like Jonah Coleman from Washington, the running back. I think he's got a chance to be a good night two or day three running back selection. All right, let's get to a break. We've got more show after these words from a few of our sponsors. It's not easy to lose someone you love. It's not easy to watch someone

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Here comes Reddolt's throw. It's offline and James Wood makes them pay indeed. James puts the Nats on top in the 10th. That just happened moments ago. James Wood singling in the go-ahead run in the top of the 10th at Pittsburgh. The Nats held on for the win, 8 to 7. They're 9 and 10 on this season and one of the best offensive teams in baseball so far this year. We'll get to that and what Alex Ovechkin said,

after the season finale, after Tommy tells us about Shelley's, Tommy. Well, like I told you in the last podcast, I was going to Shelly's that night for my birthday party. I went there, well, birthday celebration, kind of a delayed celebration with my family. They offered to take me to a dinner at Shelly's, and we were there Tuesday night, and it was a beautiful night to be there. It was hot yesterday, though. Yeah, I know. But there was a breeze. There was a breeze.

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, Shelly, I mean, they have it set up that they have like this, like, this, this fence of, like, pine trees, many pine trees, that kind of, like, block off part of the sidewalk. Right. So you're protected from the riffraff, okay? But you can still spot them and see how they're all suffering while you're in. enjoying yourself at Shelly's backroom with a Sierra Nevada draft with a hamburger from their custom blend beef, a cheeseburger like I had the other night.

And somebody in our dinner party had the same thing and raved about how good it was, you know, burgers because they are. They are. You've had them. Yeah, they're great. They're great. Yeah. And the help is so great, you know, I mean, they've got a lot of ground to cover between

outside and they've got two bars on the inside, but, you know, my drink was, was, was, never got empty, you know, without asking for a refill. And what we were really great because Bob was there. Oh, he was. Okay. Matteras, he, the owner. And I got to introduce my family to Bob, uh, who's been, you know, a good friend to us, a big supporter of the podcast and the D.C. Grace, whose cigars and curveballs event is coming up on Monday, May 18th at 6 o'clock at Shelly's back room. So, and, you know, May, usually, may, usually nice weather. So a lot of people will, like, float outside and inside.

And it's supposed to run until 8, but it always lasts, you know, 9, 10, 11 o'clock. But Shelly's that, that's what they do. They hold events. they hold family dinners and if you're just there from out of town looking for a place for some solace you can sit at the bar and nobody will bother you either

Shelley's back room is something for everybody you can find out more at shelley's backroom.com did anybody bring presents into the restaurant into Shelly's? No. No, no, no, nobody, no presents. Did you get presents for your birthday? I got presents, but my birthday had like

weeks. before. I know, but this was a belated celebration. I got a couple, look it. Here's the thing about presents. If I want something, I'm going to buy it. You know, so there's nothing really... Yeah, you're an adult.

You can do that. You can do that. Yeah. I don't golf, you know? They don't buy me cigar stuff because they don't like me smoking cigars. So, even though they took me to shell. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. I know. So, you know, so, you know, that this is very limited. If I want something, I'll just buy it. Okay. So I'm hard to buy presents for. I got a couple of books. You can't go wrong with a book.

Yeah, that's a good gift for you, for sure. Yeah. So the Nats just won, which means they took two of their four from Pittsburgh, right? They're nine and ten. They've won five of their last seven games. Here are their numbers offensively. These are National League numbers. not all of baseball.

They are third in the National League behind the Dodgers and Braves in batting average. They are third in the National League in total runs scored. And by the way, they have one fewer games played than the Braves who are in front of them. They are third in the National League in hits. They are tied for fourth in doubles. they are tied for fourth in home runs. They are third in RBIs. They are third in total bases.

I mean, it just keeps going on and on. I mean, the Dodgers are, you know, an absolute juggernaut and have been for a while. The Nats offensively are really good so far through at this point in 19 games. Now, pitching-wise, they are. dead last in ERA and it's not even close. They're pitching staff a 5.819 ERA. The next worst is St. Louis in the National League at 4.94. I would imagine the Nats have, no, they don't have the actual worst ERA.

Houston does. Well, Houston does. But offensively, what do you think? I mean, it looks pretty good so far. Yes, they do. They have some hitters. Like I said before, they have three guys in C.J. Abrams, who's having a career year, one of the best hitters in the league. James Wood, who seems to have rebounded from his second half slump of last year to be the James Wood that most teams should fear, and we'll speak to that in a second.

And Brady House has shown enough to be interested about him. you know, he actually has not hit well lately. He hit well for much of the early weeks of the season, but he's a potential 25 to 31 home run guy. All three of those guys. Okay, James Wood is a potential 40 home run guy. So they've got three guys there that should be able to deliver some kind of power. So they have good hitters in the lineup.

It's just that they're pitching and their relief pitching in particular. You know, it's tough to ask. your offense to keep bailing you out. Now, it's easier when the manager for the other team is an idiot. I don't know who the name of the manager for the pirates, but when James Wood was up in the top of the 10th inning, first base, there was a runner on second. He didn't walk him.

Yeah, the automatic runner. Yeah, automatic runner 10th. First base is open. Okay. He doesn't walk him. James Wood. I mean, the one guy in their lineup, besides Abrams, you say, these guys can't beat us.

First base is open. He pitches to him, and then James Wood hits a two-out RBI single the right, scoring the automatic runner. For the game-winning hit, it was the top of the 10th, and that's had to close it out, got a little dicey. But it's a lot to ask of your offense to bail you out of eight, seven games every day, and it's going to take its toll at some point. Right.

Do you know anything about Dylan Cruz, how he's doing in AAA? He's in AAA, right? Yes, he is. AAA Rochester. I don't know how he's doing. Okay. Should I look it up? Should I have been prepared?

Well, I should have been prepared since you're asking me. Dylan Cruz. Oh, he homered last night or two nights ago. looks like. He is in 15 games. He's hitting 263. His on-base percentage, 377. He's got two homers and nine RBIs, and he's walked 10 times in 57 at bats.

Not bad. Not bad. All right. But actually, they'd have no place for him to play every day right now. They don't? Because Jacob Young is getting well. You know, Dailan Lyle is one of their best hitters and James Wood. that's their outfield.

What about Weimer? Has Weimer kept it up? Not really, right? Not really. I think Weamer's hitting 351, but that's down from a thousand. I think it was his first 10 trips to the plate. I think he reached base. Yeah. So there's really no place for Dylan Cruz at this point, to be honest with you.

No place for the second pick in the 20. 23 draft, right? I know. Yeah. Well, they open up a series at home against the San Francisco Giants, a team that isn't very good so far

here early in the season. Man, you know, I'm looking at the standings right now. The National League East, the Phillies and the Mets picked to finish one, two in some order are at the bottom of the standings. The Nats are actually have a better record. The Mets have lost eight in a row. The Braves after last year's tough season are off to a very good start,

and they have the second best run differential in baseball after the L.A. Dodgers. Pittsburgh, by the way, is a good team so far this year. Yes, they are. About time. In New York, they're calling for the manager to be fired. Yeah, I would imagine. All right. Alex Ovechkin, did he play his final game last night against Columbus?

what he said after the game was, to be honest with you, quote, to be honest with you, I'm pretty sure it's not my last game against Columbus. He said the team, the family, the kids are already asking me, Dad, are you staying or not? And I tell them we'll see. They want me to come back. They love the city. They love the team.

They love the boys, closed quote. But, you know, that is a hard lean in the direction of him coming back. To be honest with you, I'm pretty sure it's not my last game against Columbus. Well, I can tell you, Columbus doesn't play in the KHL. So that is a strong, strong indication that he wants to come back and play his age 41 season, his 22nd season in the NHL with the Capitals. But, man, a lot of Caps people out there suggest that the team may not want him back. I know you think, and I agree with you,

if he wants to come back, he's on my team next year. If I'm the front office. But, you know, you can't, it's not like the rest of the league waits for the right kind of farewell season. And just says, okay, you guys do that and we'll wait for you so you don't lose ground on the rest of the league. If they don't think that Alex Ovechkin is, you know, a plus, to what they're trying to accomplish, that's a tough situation for a team to be in. It's a tough situation, but there's only one answer.

You bring them back. Yeah, I think that's the answer. Yeah. And, you know, it's a tough position to be in, but if you had said 21 years ago, hey, in 21 years, you're going to be faced with the decision to bring back one of the greatest players in the history of the game, the greatest goal score in the history of the game,

but he's kind of past his prime and you're going to have to deal with, do we bring him back even though we probably shouldn't? I think you'd take that 21 years ago. Yeah, yeah, you would. And you can't ignore, you know, this has nothing to do with the personnel. You can't ignore the economic impact of bringing him back as long as everybody understands it's his final year. and then you have an actual

farewell season. Yeah. Farewell season. Which could be very profitable. For the league and for the capital. Yeah. Agreed. But Obey was the highest paid player on the team this year.

$10 million. Yeah. I think that I was talking to, who was it? It was my guy Kevin in Arlington, who's a big Caps fan. He said, you know, he said, I think most Caps fans want him back, but at a reasonable price, and he may have to be okay being like, you know, put down on like the third line and not being the first power play unit guy. So, I don't know.

We'll see. All right, you got anything else on this? Good luck, Alex. Yeah, I hope he comes back. I mean, it's... Yeah, it seems more interesting with him right now. No doubt. Will the head coach of the Wizards be back next year?

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So Will Dawkins held a press conference today. The Wizards are holding press conferences this week. And the general manager held a press conference in which he said he anticipates that head coach Brian Keefe will return as the head coach next year. He also said that the team didn't trade for Anthony Davis to trade him. They traded for Anthony Davis so that he would play for the Wizards next year and maybe beyond. And he said, which he has said before, but they're going to compete next season. They're going to try to win as many games as they can.

But the Brian Keith thing is a bit interesting to me because next year is a completely different mindset. They're going to try to win games. They're going to try to make the playoffs. It's why they traded for Anthony Davis and traded for Tray Young. They wanted to compete now to win games. And they must think that Brian Keith is a good coach in addition to being a good developmental guy. But I'm talking more game coach versus developmental coach. I don't know if he is or isn't.

I've never seen him coach in NBA game where the team was trying to win as a head coach. because he hasn't done that. So, sounds like he's coming back, though. 40 and 163. Of course he's coming back. Well, that's sarcastic, but that's what they were trying to do. Of course, he's coming back. That's what they were trying to do, though.

He did exactly... No, no, no, no, not according to the press conferences. What do you mean? Okay. If I've got Will Dawkins here, right? Yeah, he's the general manager. talking about him. Yeah, well, talking. Okay. Actually, the coach, the coach we're talking about right here. Brian Keefe is his name. Yes. Right. Yeah. I know. Okay. What do we do?

For his postseason press conference, he said, quote, no one wants to lose. We're not happy about any of that. He might not. He might not be happy. Yes, that is a lot. They did want to lose. That's a lot. And they're related about it. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. Glad you figured it out. Right. You know, and well, Daniels, well, Dawkins. Daniels Dawkins, whatever, yeah. He says, we feel a buzz.

We feel a buzz in the city because of our fans. Yeah, that's, that's absurd. This is, that's absurd. That's delusional. There's no more invisible than the wizard. And they are so invisible. and I always get a kick out of this because, look, I don't blame them. They're in their own little bubble, you know, and they go from, you know,

whatever they do during the day from, you know, a general manager standpoint, personnel standpoint, to the arena or to practice, and then back to their office. They're not, most of these guys aren't paying attention to the market and the sports, you know, fandom, you know, we're the winds blowing on that. but they could not be more irrelevant in this town. You know, this is one of those where, and I actually think they've done a decent job with this because whenever I reach out, they usually help me.

I just don't reach out a lot because it's not the kind of content that the majority of the audience is looking for. You know, but I've had Will Dawkins on the show two or three times. I've had some players on the show. and I think the reason for that is because I'm a fan. I actually am one of the fans, but God, for the most part, they don't have many of those. But hopefully next year they can start to acquire customers that are really passionate about the product. Because they were next to last in the league this year.

Right. Both in total attendance and percentage of arena. filled. Yeah, they got a long way to go there. But they're ready to do that, Tommy. Well, you know what? Speaking of Wizard's content, you could read my column about the Wizards into Mars. Oh, I can't wait. Oh, I can only imagine.

There's probably a couple of good zingers in there, aren't there? What can I do? They say these words, and they say, and, you know, I like the stenographers who were there taking, you know, word down. I'm going to call them on it. But the part that you're writing about is

Will Dawkins talking about the buzz? No, my talk, my part is I'll read the lead to you before. I'll give you a preview. I can't wait. Give it to me. Okay. The Washington Wizards were funnier and perhaps at any time in their comical past this season. If there was

an NBA banner for the funniest team in the league, and we're probably an Amazon prime season or two away from one. There would be a ceremony next year to hang one from the Capital One Arena rafters. They made April Fool stay their own. The prank that brought embarrassment and scorned to the franchise. For a team that would go on to lose 65 games, the most in the league, that was quite the accomplishment.

By the way, that might have been your whole column. They're usually over pretty quickly. The embarrassment and scorn that the April Fool's joke brought to them also brought to them attention, just not the right kind of attention. Brian Key, 43 and 160, as you said, a career 212 winning percentage. And it is, and it is job well done, Brian. Job well done. That's the biggest joke of the whole thing. know, the biggest joke of this is that, I mean, you know, the greatest joke this franchise has made is putting themselves in a position where losing is an accomplishment.

We're having the worst record in the league is to be celebrated. Well, it's not just a sign of them. It's a sign of the times. And yes, it's not a sign of the times for every organization, but it's the sign of the times for every organization, but it's the sign of the times for. many organizations that, like the wizards, have to do it this way because they can't do it any other way. Well, they could. They just haven't been able to. Well, that's right. Ken is different than actually being able to. Yeah, they can, but will they and have they?

No, because for whatever reason, players have not wanted to end up in Washington as a playing destination. Real quickly before we wrap it up for the day. You know, the NBA play-in series is going on this week. It's on Amazon Prime, by the way. And, man, they have screwed up some of the coverage. They had technical difficulties in overtime the other night in the Charlotte Miami game, which was a really, really good basketball game, fun basketball game to watch. Denny Avdia the other night had 41 points, 12 assists, and 7 rebounds.

That's one that got away. I'm sorry. I don't agree with trading Denny Avdia. I didn't agree with it at the time. I thought he was the player that they had drafted that actually looked like a potential future star, and he is now one. He was an NBA All-Star during the season, and he was sensational the other night, bringing Portland from behind to beat Phoenix to clinch a playoff spot. They'll face San Antonio. but man, is Denny Avdia good?

And then last night, and I stayed up to watch Warriors Clippers, because you know how big of... Because you're a guy. Yeah, because of Hawaii. So what I ended up witnessing was one of those Steph Curry performances that just, you know, is... It's memorable. It's amazing.

You know, he is... Tommy, he's... He's not Mount Rushmore, but he's top ten. All time. You won't get any argument for me. He changed the game. He was so good. They were dead and buried.

And he brought him back. He was on fire in the third quarter and the fourth quarter. And then Old Al Horford, who's like 58 years old, he was four for four from behind the ark in the fourth quarter. And there was Draymond green deeing up Kauai Leonard. Now, they doubled Kauai pretty much. 60% of the night they doubled Kauai.

And I've got to tell you, I've said this about Ty Lou before. He's the coach of the Clippers, for those of you who don't know, he's like so many people revere him. He's a terrible in-game coach. They had no plan for the double team on Kauai. Teams have been doubling Kauai all year long to get him to give up the ball. Their spacing was terrible. They couldn't inbound the ball.

They had 17 turnovers. A lot of them were forced by really good defense, but a lot of them weren't. Dremont was great. I don't want to take anything away from him because he's a Hall of Fame defensive player in the history of this league. He's a Hall of Fame player, period. But I thought a lot of people focused too much on Dremon taking Kauai out of the game. Kauai was uncomfortable all night long and made so by a constant double team that for whatever reason the Clippers didn't solve.

It shouldn't have been that hard. But they had, you know, players that weren't spaced properly. I'm not going to get into all the basketball stuff. But Curry was incredible. He was incredible. Now they have to beat Phoenix tomorrow night to actually make the field, and they'll be an eight seed, and they'll face Oklahoma City, and they have no chance in the best of seven.

You know, Curry's been hurt, Tommy. He's got a knee injury. He actually left the floor a couple of times. times last night. Guys in all-time, you know, battler, warrior, competitor, and just flat out the greatest shooter in the history of the game. He really is, to me, the best shooter in one-b-the-best shooter of all time. He's the greatest shooter.

I know you've probably got a couple that you'd rather throw in there. Well, no, I can't argue with that. You know, Rick Barry always comes to mind for me. as a great shooter. But you'd have to put him in the conversation among the greatest of all time shooters, yeah. Unbelievable night last night. They were down 13 in the fourth quarter,

came back to win the game. All right. You got anything else? I got nothing else for you today, boss. I think I put in a full day's work. You did put in a full day's work. Tomorrow's show will include former Skins offensive coordinator

Scott Turner. We had Scott on the show right before the Super Bowl, and he is going to be on the show tomorrow to preview the NFL draft. We'll ask him some questions about some of the drafts he was involved in when he was here in Washington with Ron Rivera and company. That's tomorrow. All right, Tommy, I'll talk to you on Tuesday. See you, boss.