The Kevin Sheehan Show - Upset Special- Skins Over Packers

Episode Date: September 21, 2018

Kevin thinks the Redskins will beat the Packers on Sunday. What gives the Redskins the advantage? Ben Standig joins to discuss the Redskins injury situation. Dan Steinberg comes on to talk about what the crowd will look like on Sunday against the Packers. Then, Kevin gives out his Smell Test picks, 13 of them in total! Scott Van Pelt has a lot of gambling talk today, and then Andy Pollin is in studio to give the historical perspective of Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers facing off on the gridiron. All that, plus a look at last night's win for the Browns, and the rest of the NFL and college football this weekend. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. We're at Chatter and Friendship Heights on this Friday. Thanks to everyone here at the restaurant. And thanks to Tony and Nigel for inviting us here to do this podcast. And thanks as always to Window Nation, our presenting sponsor. If you're in the market for Windows, call Windonation like I have in the past. Harley and Aaron are the best 86690 Nation or Windonation.com and tell them that I told you. you to call. Skins Packers on Sunday, Skins beat Packers, if coming up in a minute or so smell test today. We've got Dan Steinberg from the Washington Post on the show. Scott Van Pelt will be on the show and Andy Poland will join me later in the show as well. Let's start with the game last night. Wow, Baker Mayfield, Aaron, comes in at the end of the first half and there was this

anticipation building of Baker Mayfield coming into the game as Tyrod Taylor was strong. struggling so mightily couldn't hit the ocean from a boat. That was amazing. And then he got hurt, which gave them the reason to put Mayfield in. I'm not so sure Mayfield wasn't coming in anyway. And the place goes nuts. He hits Landry on his first throw, and then they get down for a field goal on that first drive. And then he ends up going 17 of 23 for 201 yards in just over a half.

And Cleveland for the first time, since the end of the 2016. season is victorious. They beat the Jets after falling behind 14-0 in that game. They beat him 21-17. And the Browns with Baker Mayfield, look, it's one game, okay? And we know so many times in the past what the NFL is that one game is not an indication of anything. But here's what looked evident in his first game. And by the way, I would, I said the same thing about Darnold in his first game in Detroit in the Monday night two weeks ago. He looked incredibly confident. He has the gun.

He has the arm. Can make every throw. And he can throw people open too. He anticipates very well in throwing the football, which is so crucial. All right. Mike Shanahan, I remember when he was first talking to me about multiple, you know, quarterbacks that he had coached, and he said this was one of the issues with Griffin early on, is that he didn't anticipate.

didn't see the field and didn't throw based on anticipating a wide receiver coming open. You could see that Mayfield did it on the first two throws last night. Threw it quickly too, has a really quick release. And there is something about this guy that says leadership. Who knows what he will end up being off the field and whether or not he will continue to be this sort of charismatic force on the sideline in the locker room in the huddle, which he appears to have been at Oklahoma. And already people are referring to this sort of leadership charisma that he has.

He played great last night in his first game. And the Browns, you can tell, are already very good on defense. Miles Garrett is unblockable. Unblockable. Now, they got run on a little bit because Cleveland went three and out so many times to start the game. and the Jets got going with that blocked punt early. But I like the Browns. I think it's a team that will be very competitive in a lot of games this year,

and it's not going to surprise me if they win six this year. I think they can win six. And he becomes, by the way, he becomes a must-watch young quarterback in this league. So that was an entertaining Thursday night game. No one would have ever thought Browns' Jets except for Darnold v. Mayfield. You weren't even sure you would get it with Tyrod Taylor starting the game. You got it. Great Thursday night game.

And the Browns are one in two right now. Could easily be 3 and 0 if they had a kicker. Last night, their replacement kicker, Greg Joseph for Zane Gonzalez. He made his kicks, but he also had a kickoff that went out of bounds. And the field goals that he made, quite honestly, were not pretty. They weren't pretty. All right, let's get to the Redskins beat Packers if. All right, Redskins beat Packers if they get to Aaron Rogers on Sunday,

aggressively getting to Aaron Rogers on Sunday. If the Packers win this game, Rogers needs to pay dearly to get it. The Packers aren't coming in here and running it easily. I know the Colts did last week early, but I think the Redskins can stop the run. Now, they're getting Aaron Williams back this week, Aaron Jones back this week, but apparently he's not going to start. It'll be the other two, Ty Montgomery and Jamal Williams,

that'll get the bulk of the carries. Rogers right now with that knee is a sitting duck. Hit him legally, pressure him into awkward, quick throws, and then that leads to the second key. The Redskins beat the Packers. If the defense tackles well, limit yards after the catch, Graham Adams, Cobb, got to tackle him. after they catch the ball. Corners, safeties, linebackers, and coverage have to tackle well.

Yards after catch in this game is going to be huge for both teams. I don't see either team having great success running it. I think completion percentages will be high. So tackling Sunday, not allowing 15 on a play that should get four or five will be big in this game. Lastly, Redskins beat Packers if. This was a key last week. beating the Colts. If the offense takes what the defense gives them. They didn't last week. The adjustment this week is not to just take shots to force the ball down the field for the sake of taking shots and forcing the ball down the field. Now, Green Bay may give them more opportunities to go down the field because Green Bay is going to play more man coverage than the

Colts did. The Colts played no man coverage, almost exclusively zone, deep Tampa two zone at times. Jordan Reed, Chris Thompson, Jameson, Crowder, Vernon Davis. I want those four players on the field. Find the matchup you like. Get it out quickly. Take advantage of that. Cousins riddled Green Bay last week at Lambo. Through for 425, 28 completions to three guys.

Thielen, Diggs, and Rudolph. Now, I know the Redskins don't have Thielen and Diggs, but they've got better than Rudolph in Jordan Reed. I'll get to him more in a month. moment. Minnesota, by the way, threw it 48 times, ran it 18 times against Green Bay, in part because they were down two scores entering the fourth quarter. The Bears ran it a little bit better against Green Bay. The Vikings didn't. I just, I don't feel the Redskins running game situation. I know what they did against Arizona. I think that's ultimately going to be the aberration, not the norm

this year. The Redskins last week, by the way, on half of their second downs last week, faced second and nine or longer. The skins are banged up along the offensive line as well. If they do run it, it's a bonus. They keep Rogers off the field. They run the clock. They shorten the game. I just don't see that happening. Take what Green Bay gives you, though. Put your best players on the field for the majority of the snaps. Jordan Reed played 40 of the 74 snaps last week. He's healthy. That's not enough snaps.

It's not enough of Jordan Reed being on the field. It would be nice if Doxon stepped up and became a factor. I'm not counting on it at this point. Give me Reed for 80% of the offensive snaps on Sunday and get them the ball if it's there. And if it's not, then it's going to be Crowder who is potentially open or it's Vernon Davis. I'd use Vernon Davis more in this particular game.

He's a difficult matchup. The wide receivers, it looks like right now the Redskins are desperate to find a solution at wide receiver. The trust in Doxon may not be there. Richardson is a little bit banged up. I have no idea if Perriman or Floyd are going to be available. We'll find out about that here momentarily when we have a guest to join us to talk about that.

But I want to see Reed get targeted 11 times nine catches 95 yards in the game and a touchdown. I want to see Crowder targeted 10 times, seven catches 75 yards and a touchdown. I want to see Thompson targeted six times out of the back field, maybe seven, and catches five, no less for 50 yards. That is the Redskins' best opportunity. Their best players on offense are Reed, Crowder, and Thompson. Reed can't be on the field for 40 of 74 snaps. He's got to be on the field for 80% of the snaps. I don't care if they run the ball with him on the field.

Every time they pull them off, it's been a tell when they've had sprinkling the game. Keep Jordan Reed on the field. He's the biggest mismatch you can create. Let Jay do what he does best, which is find those mismatches, especially against man coverage, which Green Bay will be in more of than Indy was, and take advantage of it and throw it. I'm not saying to completely abandon the run. They got to stay balanced.

I'm just not confident they're going to run it well. Daniels is still there. They're still very good up front defensively. All right. Let's bring in Ben Standing. Ben is a friend. Ben covers the Redskins for the Sports Capital with Brian McNally and Todd Dibis. They write, they blog.

Go to the SportsCapital.com to check them out. Ben, are there any injury concerns for Sunday? his game. Well, I mean, to me, the offensive line is a big one, right? I mean, Sean LaValle, it doesn't sound like he's going to play based on where things that were going into Friday's practice. And I actually agree, in what case of what's the play? You're just going to put Ruey at Guard and move Berkshire in the center.

He's like, yeah, so in my head, I'm like, really? So now you're weakening. I mean, he claims that the Ruey Bersstrom thing is kind of a wash. But I don't know. The whole thing seems weird. fact that, like, of all the players, that they ended up back to Sean LeVos starting in the first place and then didn't have a real viable backup plan, to me, is, I mean, you can't solve all the problems in an offseason.

I sort of get that, but this was such an obvious one because of the injury concern, if nothing else, and now here they're at. So, I mean, that, to me, the huge problem, especially coming out for a week where they couldn't run the ball. And, you know, I'm a little, I'm still curious about the receiver's situation. The fact that they brought in two guys who are not special teams players, but or actual receivers says to me that there's got to be concerned with either Richardson's shoulder or Maurice Harris's concussion to the point where those guys might play.

So I think that's concerning to some degree because, again, they haven't gotten anything on the perimeter really going and to have to go down to hypothetically two guys they just picked up would be problematic. You know, back to LaValle. It's really funny because I had this conversation with a friend the other day who said, well who cares if Sean LaVal's out he's terrible and you know it's one of those players it's sort of like the Ryan grant thing there for a few years it's like you know we don't see what apparently the coaches see one at one point last year early in the season jay walked into the studio where coolly and I were doing the show and somehow the conversation got to Sean LaValle and he just looked at me and cooley and he said Sean LaValle's good what's wrong with Sean LaVal like there is always in see The conversations that we have as media and fans of the team are very often surprising conversations to the coaching staff. And I think that Sean LaValle fits that bill.

I think Ryan Grant did there for a few years. They didn't realize these conversations we were having. They're like, no, no, no. We grade them out pretty high based on what his responsibilities are on each given play. But you're right. I felt like they had a guard need coming in. I think everybody did. I just don't think they did.

But now we're at Chase Ruey, moving from center to guard. We got Bergstrom in its center. You jumped ahead on the receiver thing that I was going to ask you about, but you didn't answer this part of it. Do you think Paramount and Floyd will be active on Sunday, either one of them? Well, I guess depending on what,

I mean, Morris Harris has been practicing, so I'm going to assume he'll be active. My guess is no. The reality is they have seven receivers, two of them will be inactive just because that's one of them had been inactive. They were only having five up anyway and one of the four running backs

was down. Now there's only three running back, so two of the receivers will be down. And I would presume it would be both of them, assuming Richardson and Harris, are fine. It was just more of the point of if you're bringing in these types of guys, it sort of signals to me that you're concerned about your top receivers, not just straight depth. I mean,

I have no idea what to make either. One of them, parraments obviously have been a total bust in Baltimore. I love Floyd coming out of college and he was pretty good in Arizona for a little bit and then off the field issues seemed to derail him but you know coming in on a short week what we are not a short week but coming in you know on having to jump in quickly and I just hard to imagine that you're ready to go and be an actual starter or or play real snap so I would be surprised with either of them are available or either of them are up this week. All right. Ben Standings with us.

This is a serious question. It's a macro question and I ask it because very often these things come out of nowhere, and none of us, those of us, well, like you who truly cover the team day to day, those of us that follow the team or talk about the team every day, lots of times we don't see these things coming. But I'm going to ask you this question. Do you think there's any possibility that Jay Gruden could be in trouble during the by week if they play Sunday like they did last Sunday against the Colts?

No. that said, I get your point. And I do think that that's an overriding factor to the whole season. In other words, I'm 100% convinced the Alex Smith trade was made for two reasons. One, they weren't going to divorce themselves from Kirk Cusons as I'd have a new girlfriend immediately. And two, Jay Gruden and Bruce Allen have got to realize they're on the hot seat. I mean, I interviewed Jay Gruden a couple weeks ago, one-on-one, and we talked about sort of the aspect of, like, this team is built to win now, but you had a bunch, but you've got like 21 first of year players and rookies on the team.

And also he talked about how he's like the, those are like 10 coaches in the league who have more current longevity with their current team than him. Yet of all those other 10, like six of them have been to a Super Bowl with their current team and eight have been to a Super Bowl at some point in their career. Do you feel compelled to have to take that next step? And his response was, yeah, it's basically time to put up or shut up. So I think he understands that's a thing. So based on all of that,

I think it's in the realm of possibility. I mean, you would have to probably get destroyed by Green Bay Network rather just a mere loss. But yes, I mean, and I don't think Gruden gets fired during the season, but to your point of, could it happen? Yeah, I do think, like I said, the overriding, an overriding theme to this season is it is sort of a make or break year for Gruden, I would have to imagine.

So people get crazy, who knows? What kind of crowd do you think they're going to have there Sunday? I think there'll be a lot of people there in Green and wearing cheese head heads. Although I guess that's the whole thing, right? The supposed thing with the ticket brokers, they were trying to make it such that that couldn't happen. So I don't know. Well, guess we'll see how people seem to find a way to get around.

My take on the Redskins, forget all the crowd stuff and the losing. It just felt like this was a very uninspiring team this year. If they hadn't drafted Geis, my take was they might have been the boringest team in the league. There just weren't exciting storylines. No more Corksorkewarm's contract. Alex Smith defines meh like nobody's that excited about him not saying good or bad he's not interesting and the rest of the team we've sort of been there done that they didn't make any major splashy moves so I don't think the team is terribly exciting now on top of that ad coming off a bad loss

coming off the people don't love that stadium the traffic all these things so yeah I'm not expecting much difference compared to last week of this and I suspect a lot of green bay people show up I tend to agree with you um the sportscapital dot com for ben for for Brian. They do a great job covering all the local teams. Thanks, Ben. Appreciate it. As always, I'll talk to you soon. Yeah, just come for me. Those guys will just be bonus, but just come for me. Thank you, Ben. Appreciate it, Ben. All right, give me a moment here to thank somebody and tell you that if you've been thinking about new windows, you must consider window nation. I'm back doing this podcast. One of the first to reach out to support this new venture was Window Nation. Harley's been a good friend

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them that I told you to call. Dan Steinberg joins the show, of course, for years of my favorite sports radio transcriber ever. Just kidding, of course, but Dan, of course, with the Washington Post. So you and me, and I think everybody else, had all of these reasons that were completely intuitive for the home opener crowd last week being so sparse. Losing, dysfunction, stadium sucks, all of that stuff. But I was talking to Barry the other day, Barry's Verluga, had him on the show, and it sort of hit us both at the same time. All of the obvious reasons, Dan, may have resulted in a smaller home opening day crowd, but not that much smaller. Do we have any idea at this point why nobody showed up for a 1-0 team and a home opener on what turned out to be a beautiful day? Well, I've thought about it a lot.

I mean, I wasn't there. I don't go to things anymore. But some people said that maybe the difference wasn't as dramatic as the difference in numbers because the team maybe wasn't honest about numbers in the past. And so maybe a big part of the numerical difference was just the team being more honest about the number of people than it had been. I don't know. It looked remarkably empty to me, so I think there's got to be something more than that.

Some people said maybe there's the, you know, it was beautiful on the day, but there was the hurricane forecast. Maybe people just decided, hey, I'm not doing it this weekend. I mean, there's a lot of things. I was just talking today with someone. Like, who on the team, I don't know if people make decisions on whether to go or not based on this, but who on this team is, like, worth the price of admission as, like, a star. Do you know what I mean?

If you're winning, that doesn't matter, probably. But I was just thinking, like, Aaron Rogers is someone I would love, to watch play football. And I can't think of anyone close to that level on this roster. I think Geis is probably the guy that people were most curious to see, and he's not playing. So I can just add more reasons to your list, I guess. Yeah, I mean, it just was, and people that were there said it was even less than what the

announced paid crowd was. And you may be right. I mean, we know that there have been inflated numbers in the past. I mean, at the end of the year, in a bad weather game when they're out of it, That's been dreadful to see. And I think we've seen buildings that haven't even been a quarter filled, like the Kansas City snow game a few years ago. Last year at the end of the year, it was weak.

But this was a home opener. I thought maybe you might have some insight on sort of the aftermarket because they pulled some of those tickets back. They were selling them directly on Redskins.com, which may have prevented the opportunity for super low price. tickets or for now the Colts weren't going to bring a big crowd anyway but for out of market teams fans to get tickets which by the way they've thrived on in recent years they've needed Eagle and Giant and Cowboy fans to buy tickets I remember when the Steelers were here

two years ago for the opener it was it was 40% Pittsburgh fans I think there'll be a lot of the Green Bay fans I do think that's that's another part of it is that Indianapolis just doesn't seem like the kind of market that's going to fill some of those empties the way so many of those opponents you just mentioned are. But I mean, this is something that you and I have talked about before. I think every off season, just about for the last five or six years, they've done something that might make 500 or 1,000 people say, you know what, I can't do it anymore,

whether it's part of the in-game experience stuff or some of the off-field stuff. Like I think the McLuhan thing, you know, maybe the vast majority of the fan base is okay with that, but if you lose 1,000 people who say, I don't like the way this went down, and I don't feel comfortable supporting this product anymore, those 1,000 people I don't think are being replaced. Like who is saying in 2016, you know what?

I really am going to throw myself into the Redskins right now. So I think you lose people, people who are upset about the way the Cousins thing was handled. I think you lose people from that. You lose people from the McLuhan thing. You lost people from the RG3 thing. I think some of those people just aren't being replaced. And so when you add that with everything that we've talked about, I think it just kind of becomes what we saw.

And I don't think it will be like that every week. think, you know, this week will be different. I think that when the Cowboys and the Eagles and the Giants come, it'll be different. But I think the possibility is there for some really, really ugly looking crowds. I don't think there's any doubt that what you say is true. And I agree with it. And I've talked about it for the last few years. And, you know, the organizational arrogance to a certain degree has really impacted this. The stumbling and bumbling and bumbling and dysfunction has impacted this, but it was such a drop from recent years that it had to be something else. All right.

One more thing on this. Well, you know, when we talk about the secondary market, I think people didn't totally realize what was going on. And prices were actually, I believe, they were actually higher on the secondary market than they were buying from the team because there were less tickets that had been kind of flooded under the secondary market. So maybe people didn't realize that. And it actually would have been cheaper to just go on Ticketmaster and buy a ticket

in the 400 level from the team, then from the secondary market. And that was definitely a change from the past. And maybe people sort of need to adjust to that. Well, the seven people that bought tickets in the 400 level, I don't know how he got them, but that level was completely empty. If they were to come to you and ask you what's the solution, how do we get sellout crowds, bigger TV ratings again, elite level interest in the team?

What would your answer be? Wow, that's hard. I mean, that's hard because when you come, you know, I would say there feels like there's much. more excitement and vitality and all those things around some of the other teams in town, but at the same time, the other teams in town can't touch the Redskins' interest or TV ratings or any of that stuff. So, you know, I think they've lost some people, and I don't know how they're going to get

them back. I don't know how they're going to get kids back other than, you know, the way that the capitals and the nationals attracted kids, which was by being competitive and one with superstars. And you can't really fake your way to that. You know what I mean? You sort of have to earn it. And the nationals and capitals earned it by being really, really bad for a while and getting high draft fix. So that doesn't seem like a great recommendation, really.

But, I mean, you and I both know that seven and nine, eight and eight territory that they've been in for like three or four years now is just the worst place to be. You know what I mean? People are talking about, would you rather be a Browns fan or a Redskins fan right now? I mean, of course you don't really want to say you'd rather be a Browns fan. But he was exciting last night. He was exciting and kind of fun to watch and you look forward to seeing him again next week. you know what I mean? And I don't know that, like, I don't know if you're a 10-year-old kid who's been on the fence if Alex Smith is going to make you feel that same way. Well, I mean, this would have taken vision, right?

It would have taken vision for them to say, since we don't want number eight, let's trade them, let's get a number one pick from the 49ers, and let's take one of those really good young quarterbacks in the 2018 draft, but vision is something they've always lacked. I may have maybe the way to sort of get to a better. answer or a better discussion is to discuss the floor. How bad could it actually get? Wow, you're so negative now. Jeez. What do you mean so negative now? I actually think that the roster is a decent roster and they should be able to... I heard you yesterday. I told you I was listening your podcast while with John yesterday. You're saying you think it's the best young talent they've had for years. I think in 10 years it's the best young talent they've had. I do. But if

Sunday, you can't, if they're more of the cult games, game situations. Like, how low could this go? Could you have a television rating in October when the season's still in play of the 11-something that they did against the Chargers last year in December? Yeah, I mean, I think it's also possible the season might not still be in play in October. It's true, too. You look at the schedule, and, you know, some of it depends on some of these other teams

where you really don't have a feel after two weeks. But, I mean, if they get off like a two-and-five start or something, which I don't think is completely impossible, yeah, man, it could. I could get ugly, but I mean, we're talking about larger forces, too. Obviously, larger forces for NFL television ratings and people who are turned off on both sides of the political spectrum, people who have been turned off from the protests, people have been turned off from the head injuries, people have been turned off by the response to the protests. So, I mean, they're working against a lot of things, and I think that, and look, even as long as we're talking about this,

I think the name has turned off a not insignificant number of local people. And, I mean, I don't think it's close to a significant enough that it would be in their best interest. to change it. I don't think it's anywhere near that, but I think you've lost some people. And when I was writing about it this week, people were writing me unprompted. Like, hey, I'm a 23-year-old who moved to D.C. And I root for the caps and Nats, and I can't root for the Redskins because of the name. And so there's like a lot of, you know, a lot of small chunks,

I think make it hard to get back to where they were at one point. I don't mean, I can't imagine that I were going to get back to that point. But I don't know. I mean, it's still an NFL franchise with hundreds of thousands of fans. When you see at road games, you see the turnout for Redskins fans, it's still amazing. There's people who have, like, really fond feelings still and really loyalty. So I don't know. I mean, I don't know where it would bottom out.

But I think that we haven't seen for since this new sort of apathy really took hold, we haven't seen them actually be really bad. And I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if they were really bad. You know, 2013 bad again. I think it would be way, way uglier if they had a record like that. now than it was on. Let's switch subjects real quickly. How big will the caps opener against Boston be on October 3rd in this town? How big will it be played up? I don't know. I actually just got a press release like five minutes ago about some of the festivities that the caps are having. I think they're

starting the celebration outside at like 4 o'clock and there's going to be kind of a red carpet. And I think NBC Sports Washington is going to be live from 4 o'clock if I read that correctly. It'll, I mean, I don't know. It'll be big, but it's not. it's not going to be the feeling that we had last spring. There was so much like spontaneity to it and so much just kind of allation and joy. And I mean, I think that the caps have a huge amount of wiggle room with people this year. I think they could be really bad on the ice and people would still be like grinning year to year for months and months and months because of what they did.

But I'm not sure if, like I don't sense a ton of like buzz for the start of the season necessarily. Do you? Well, I was just curious if we're going to get the thousand. in the street outside, you know, a sold-out Capitol 1 arena for the opener for the... Well, certainly it'll be sold out. Yeah, but I won't. Yeah. No, the tickets are a fortune in the aftermarket right now, a fortune for that game.

I mean, it's a great, it's a, like, that's an irreplaceable moment. Oh, yeah. I love to be at that. No doubt. Yeah, but I would guess not to the thousands outside, but I haven't really heard. It would be cool if they did. I mean, I don't think anyone would, everyone who was around that scene last year would want it to happen again because it was just, like, awesome and intoxicating.

But I would guess, I guess I would be. surprised if October at the arena is anything like June was. Are Bryce Harper's final games potentially here in D.C.? Is that big, as you call it, clickbait for you or not? No, no. You know, nothing is. And this is like, go back to Rescans for a second. Like, I feel like we've almost like milked it dry.

Like, even we've milked like the angst dry. We've milked everything dry. And now it's like I'm like shocked and disappointed and stunned by the lack of clicks that we're getting on Redskins stuff, really. I don't know how to reverse that. And it's like a, you know, when people think that we take joy in, like, the team's occasional struggles or whatever, it's like a bad deal for us when people lose interest.

That is, and that's for you, too, obviously. And you have to kind of hope that people want to take the journey with you anyhow just to kind of experience it with you. But I think that, like, the independent interest in the team being what it is, it hurts us badly right now. It's troubling to me. But, yeah, no, I don't think the Bryce thing is, huge. I mean, I think the offseason is going to be a much bigger source of clicks than the last

week or so. I would imagine he'll get huge ovations repeatedly over the next few days, but I also would imagine there's going to be lots of empty seats. Let's get to the most important thing that I have for you today, and that is what games do you like this weekend? I've ever listened to the small test yet. Has it been published? Yeah, no. I've listened to it first. Yeah, no, I've done, I think I'm a game, two games under 500. I had a winning week last week. last week. Four and three last week.

Have you come out with this? No, no, no, I'm doing it right after I get done with you. I'm doing this one test. I'm so busy at work nowadays as an editor that I really use my weekends to do that. And I don't, like, Thursdays and Fridays just are up. So you're not, you're not studying all week anymore? I look a lot less than I used to, which is strange, but probably healthy in a way. Well, let me just say that I don't think it actually will impact the results.

If you were to throw together a three-team parlay at 1255 on Sunday versus, you know, really studying it on Wednesday. It's not going to increase your odds of winning. I'll say this. I've liked the bills the first two weeks of the season. When they've lost by a combined 90 points, I like them again this week. Me too. I like them again this week. I like them again this week. Because why? Because you think the same way I do and that is that nobody is going to have the bills this week. And they're getting 16 and a half. Yeah. I mean, I think any any team that is ever getting six. But I mean, whatever, I've been terrible. I like the Cardinals last week. Right. You probably did too, right? Last week, did I have the Cardinals?

13 and a half or whatever. No, I didn't like the Cardinals last week. You didn't? No. No. I'll tell you what actually totally fits the smell test this weekend, and I'm about to get to it, so I'll give out. Redskins?

Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. They definitely fit it. Is it three or two and a half? It's three, but I've seen some two and a halves out there, which is always an indication that they want you to beg, you know, they want you to beg Green Bay. Yeah. No, for sure.

I would have mentioned that one. But if I was betting Redskins, I would just bet the money line, right? Yeah, why not? although, you know, with their luck, I mean, they'll just, they'll lose, you know, 24, 23 on a last second kick. I do think that, though. I think that's a good one. Rescans and Bill of the two teams of the cities I've lived in. There you go.

There you go. I mean, put them together in a parlay. You've done that before. You know how to do that. I'm familiar with the operation. All right, thanks. Have you been to Charleston? I have not.

Tommy went, Tommy's been a couple of times. And he went the first weekend, it opened, and he said, it's a good sports book. I mean, it's not Vegas. You know, it's not Mandalay Bay. It's not any of the real big-time sports books out in Vegas. But he said it was good. It was a good experience. You know, that conversation is a completely different one for a different day.

I think people like you and me who have done this illegally forever aren't going to be overly excited about going to place a wager at a sports book. No, but I would be excited about, I mean, theoretically, if it was a good setup, I would be excited about going and spending like eight hours on a Saturday there with some friends. Yeah, with some friends. Yeah. Get some beers and watch the games together. It's a good environment. Some halftime bets and stuff.

I actually stopped at Delaware Park once. And? Before the British Open. And I was like pretty disappointed by it was not anything close to Vegas. And I was like, well, I wouldn't go out of my way to spend eight hours here, really. Right. But a lot of people that are just becoming, the people that have never done this before, it that will be introduced to it through legalized sports gaming in the areas that they live in,

and they haven't been to Vegas 15 times throughout their life to spend Saturdays or Sundays in the fall on a sports book, it will be exciting for them to be in a smaller, you know, kind of an environment where they can actually wager. I think so. And if it was next door to my house or if it was like five-minute drive from my house, I'm sure I would go all the time, you know. All right, thanks for doing this. Good luck this weekend.

I'll talk to you soon. My pleasure. I had a Harley and Aaron for me. I will indeed. All right, let's get to the smell test. Kevin looks where the John Q public is putting their cash and does the opposite. It's time for the smell test. All right, the smell test is 9, 11, and 1 on the season. I had that hideous week one.

Before the podcast even started, I just tweeted out a smell test week one card, and it was one and four that weekend. So it's been much better since. since. Since then, it's been eight, it's been eight six in one since, I guess, something like that. Anyway, the smell test for those of you who don't know is what Ralph Wesley, the young fella, just announced coming in with the intro. And that is I just look for where the public money is, and I go opposite when it's a heavy public bet. So when the public's convinced that they've identified an incorrect Vegas line and they line up on one side, I just short.

I fade the public. I go in opposite of that. And the smell test actually includes a little bit more than that. I have offshore contacts for many years. The various places in which some of these offshore casinos have been offering the opportunity for many of us to place wagers on sports. And when sharp betters are lined up on the opposite side of the public, that ensures that a smell test pick is. on its way. Let's start with tonight. I've got a lot of picks. I'm going to rip through them and then Scott Van Pelt, I think we'll join us too. Tonight, Florida Atlantic is playing at number 18 UCF. UCF is a 13 and a half point favorite. Now, the numbers sometimes play a meaningful role in a smell test selection. 14 is a key number. They're key numbers in football betting. Three, seven, 10, 14, and when you get up there in college games, 17, 21, 28, etc. All right? Those are key numbers because people will look at those numbers and their perception is,

hey, if somebody's laying 13 and a half, all they got to do is win by two touchdowns, and I win the bet. And the number 18 team, UCF, is playing Florida Atlantic. Now, Florida Atlantic beat Air Force. They're not a bad team. all right, but right now, most of the public action is on UCF. A lot of that action is on UCF, and the number is just hanging there at 13 and a half. And why is that significant?

Because basically sports books and Vegas odds makers are telling you, we don't really care how many of you decide that you want to take UCF laying 13 and a half. We're comfortable with you laying 13 and a half. and knowing that we would lose if they win by 14. So you've got some sharp money. You got a key number in there that's just standing still at 13.5. And you've got a Florida Atlantic team that's playing an in-state team where a lot of the kids played each other in high school,

so it's a bit of a rivalry game. Take Florida Atlantic tonight plus the 13 and a half. And buy the hook, all right? Buy it to plus 14 if you're going to play it. So you get those full two touchdowns. And for those of you that don't understand that, you can buy half points and pay more on a loss. So if your normal loss is 110 on $100 bet, you can buy a half point to get it from 13.5 to 14 with Florida Atlantic and pay minus 120 as an example. So you'd lose $120 bet.

All right, let's go to Saturday. There are several games on Saturday I like. I'm going to start with number 14. I'm sorry. I'm going to start with number three, Georgia, laying 14 at Missouri. Missouri's 3-0. They barely beat Purdue on the road. They crushed Wyoming earlier.

Drew Locke, their quarterback, is big at 6-4-2-30, and he's good. In three games, he's completing nearly 70% of his passes. He's got 11 touchdowns, one interception. Mizoo, Missouri, they can move the football. Now, Georgia doesn't allow you to move it. They're one of the best defensive teams in the country. The number at 14 for a road game, if you're new to this thing, you'd think that's a lot of points. Actually, it's not.

And the fact that it's at 14 and not 15 or 16, again, sort of like the 13 and a half, but not so much like the 13 and a half because 13.5 is a clear indication, all right, that the house wants you to play the favorite. In this case, they may not be sure, which is. is why the number's hanging out at 14. I just have seen so much public money come in on Georgia this week. It's going to be a big need game in Vegas. They're going to need Missouri plus the 14 points.

So take them plus the 14 points. Purdue is 0 and 3. They're playing host to number 25 Boston College. Now, I will tell you, I love Boston College. I think Steve Adazio is one of the best coaches that nobody pays attention to in the country, and BC's got a good team this year. Now, Purdue's been close. They lost to Missouri by three last week. They lost by a point to eastern Michigan, and in the opener, lost by four to Missouri. They've been close. They've played well. They can score. They're getting seven at home

against Boston College. The public's all over the Eagles. Take the boiler makers plus the seven. Ohio University is at Cincinnati. Interstate battle here. Rivalry games, sort of. It's not Cincinnati Xavier in basketball. But it is two Ohio teams, and Cincinnati's gotten off to a good start. They're 3-0. They've been very good defensively. They blew out UCLA. They shut out Miami of Ohio.

But Ohio is a team that can score. They're the team that lost the UVA last week, 4531. They're catching eight on the road. The public like Cincinnati, there's some sharp money on Ohio. Take Ohio University plus the eight. Nevada is plus. 10 and a half at Toledo. The game opened at 12. All right? So it's down to 10 and a half.

Public money never moves a line. Sharp money moves a line. And it's moved it a point and a half that's a big move. Public money all over Toledo. I don't know anything about either one of these two teams. Nothing. Take Nevada plus the 10 and a half. Tell you who the public's playing in a big way this weekend is Navy. The midshipment are 2 and 1, but they haven't had that overwhelming running attack and scoring offense that they've had in recent years. They're playing SMU this weekend. SMU's 0 and 3, and SMU is getting less than a touchdown right now. They're getting 6.5. That's the current line, and I use current lines when I'm doing this smell test. The lines can move around, but I keep it at whatever the number is when the smell test is released on Fridays.

SMU plus 6 and a half. They're a major anti-public play. I like SMU plus the six and a half. Again, if you're going to play SMU, buy the hook, buy the extra half point to get it to plus seven. O'DU is getting, that's Old Dominion, is getting 27 and a half at Virginia Tech. Another massive public play this weekend or the Hokies laying the 27 and a half.

Give me Old Dominion plus the 27 and a half. And again, in that situation, it's a half point below a key number at 28. that's one of the reasons I like O'DU even more, but I would also urge you to buy the half point. Two more college games. Georgia Tech's plus 15 versus Clemson in Atlanta. Clemson, a heavy public lean this weekend.

There's some sharp money on the yellow jackets. Give me Georgia Tech plus the 15. In LSU, after that big win over Auburn last week, they're laying less than three touchdowns. They're laying 20 and a half against Louisiana Tech, a team that may be a bit underrated, Public loves LSU, recent impressions on them. Take Louisiana Tech plus the 20 and a half.

Again, a half point below a key number, so buy it to 21. Let's go to Sunday, where the Colts are plus seven at Philadelphia, and the Eagles are one of the big public plays of the weekend with Carson Wentz back at the helm. Take the Colts plus the seven at Philadelphia. This will be a huge need for Vegas for the Colts to cover that number. The Redskins are plus three at home, and there are some. some plus two and a halves out there. Green Bay is a major public play this weekend. Why? Because they've actually, with Aaron Rogers, have been very good. All right, they beat the Bears and

that big comeback. Should have beaten the Vikings had Clay Matthews not been called for roughing the passer, but they ended up tying Minnesota. Redskins last week looked awful in front of a crowd that barely showed up. The public loves Rogers this week. Laying three, it's a perceived short number. The Redskins are a smell test pick, and I will just tell you that in the years that I have had the Redskins in the Smell Test, whether as the team that I had or they were in a game where I took the other side, and games involving the Redskins in the Smell Test, I'm 64.1 percent over 12 years. Did I kind of make up that number? No, I didn't. I actually am 64.1 percent on smell test games involving the Redskins over the years.

Now, there were a couple of years where I couldn't find every pick that I had, but for the last eight years, I found them all. All right, there are two teams that you will think that I'm completely nuts to play. And I probably am. I've had the bills involved in the smell test the first two weeks of the season because I knew that Vegas, I knew that you're bookie, I knew that every sports book anywhere that exists would need Buffalo, and they didn't even get close two weeks ago against Baltimore in the opener. And then who blew out Buffalo last week?

I can't even remember at this point. The Rams. No, no, not. Buffalo didn't lose the Rams. San Diego. To the Chargers. This week, they're at Minnesota getting 16 and a half. Take the bills.

Buy the half point, if you want. Take the bills plus the 16 and a half. The other team are the Detroit Lions. They're getting six and a half in the Sunday night game against the Patriots. This is right now on the board the biggest one-sided public play of the weekend. 79% of the action right now, according to a lot of the offshore books that I follow. 79% of the action is on New England laying six and a half. Key number, it's under seven.

They're not really moving that number. It may bounce to seven. You should buy the half point. to get it to seven, but take the Lions plus the six and a half. I thought about the Cardinals, but I'm not playing the Cardinals. All right, repeating, because I got a lot of games this weekend, so I'm going to go in order starting with tonight. I've got Florida Atlantic plus 13 and a half tonight. Missouri plus 14 tomorrow. Purdue plus seven tomorrow. Ohio plus eight on Saturday is a smell test pick. Nevada plus 10 and a half, SMU plus six and a half, Old Dominion plus 27 and a half,

Georgia Tech plus 15, Louisiana Tech plus 20 and a half. Yes, not one favorite. Those are all underdogs. And by the way, same thing on Sunday. I've got the Colts plus seven, the Redskins plus three, the Bills plus 16 and a half, and the Lions plus six and a half. There are some numbers there that I have this weekend that could really burn me because personally, I will buy the half points on all those six and a halfs and all those 16 and a halves and the 13 and a half. So I will personally have the lion's Sunday night plus seven or better. But for the smell test purposes, I'm playing the Friday line, so I get him at six and a half. Let's bring in Scott Van Pelt. Sorry about yesterday and thank you for today. We had internet issues yesterday.

So thank you for doing this. That's okay. I have a lot. issues a lot, right? Yeah, you do. And you did last week, too, but I didn't even bring it up. I didn't want to bring it up. You know? Thanks, buddy. You're welcome, champ. Let me just start with this, because I don't know your position on this. Somebody told me that you were tweeting about the guy that played the in-game wager on Denver against Oakland last week on the incorrect money line odds, should have paid out 82,000. Initially, the sports casino, I think it may have been a fan duel casino,

said they wouldn't pay it, but now they are paying it. What was your position on that? Well, I did one big thing on it on the show. I missed it. And it's been so much fun because it's been curious debate with people about this,

where people are completely convinced on both sides that they're absolutely correct. Right. The Cliff's notes are this. My position is the guy, hold on a second. Hey, buddy. Hold on a second. Daddy's on a very important podcast.

Damn right. He's just a second. All right. It's my son. He's been here. I just want to give my son a little hug there and some encouragement. There we go. Okay.

So the guy won $82,000 because of some ridiculous glitch. where we got like plus 75,000 per 100. It was plus 750 to 1. It was plus 750. Correct. In a two-point game. And that's a glitch because at no point in that game was Denver actually plus 750.

And the odds should have been as they moved into fuel control territory, like minus 600. Right. How the glitch happens? I don't know. And it happened. And the guy had a ticket. and they offered him way more than what he should have won, and he said no, and then all of the mob assembled, the internet mob assembled, and the internet mob demanded he'd be paid because the internet mob has no

common sense, and they, and Fandul caved, because it's bad PR, and you've got to pay the guy, blah, blah, blah. In no world should this guy get paid the money. Agreed. Okay, good. Well, you've got a ticket. You've got a ticket. Okay, if you go, and none of these analogies make sense to people, because again, nobody can think on the fly. But if you get an IRA, if you're entitled to a refund from the IRS, and you're entitled to $300, and they send you $150,000, and they send you a receipt with your $150,000, well, you've got this piece of paper that came from them, and you've got the money, it's not your money. That's not what you're entitled to get. If you went to the bank and you went to withdraw $200, and I did it $25,000, and again, there's some receipt that showed that that was your money.

I won't your money. This guy was not supposed to win this, and people like those analogies aren't apples and apples. Okay, well, then I'll just see it this simply. This is stealing, and because everyone hates the house, everyone wants him to get money. Well, they've got the money. That's not the point. The point is no one cares that this wasn't what he was entitled to. And then this is my favorite.

This is my favorite, Kevin. This is when the truly dumb people reveal themselves. Well, if he would have lost, they wouldn't have given him his money. Well, of course they wouldn't because he lost the bet. No one's seeing this guy didn't win a bet. He won the bet. He just didn't win $82,000. And stupid people either can't process it or don't care.

And I've gotten blue in the face. Like, I mean, and arguing back and forth about this, because I'm just, it's the principle, and it's also, in my opinion, like, the facts of the matter, and people are so obstinate because they hate the house so much. And I don't, I would never root for the house in most instances. I'm not rooting for the house here. I'm rooting for common sense. And I'm curious as I finally stopped me talking, do you agree with me?

A hundred percent. I didn't know, I honestly didn't know which side you were coming down on. I will tell you that the other day when I did this story, I said there's no way he will get his money. He doesn't deserve it and he won't get it. That they will have the state gaming authority will rule on this and they'll rule in favor of the sports book. I'm stunned that they reversed and I think it's a dangerous precedent for them. Well, I said that last night on, I said this last night on, I said, hey, look, this makes lots of people happy out there that you gave them the money. But you have now figured, you have now created the, the, uh, the, uh, the,

precedent, and I said, if I was you, if you want to take all these in-game wages, you better tighten up your algorithms or you're going to be broke because you're paying out $82,000 because somebody made a mistake on $100,000. You're paying out $82,000. This is just, it's stealing. You better be, they better be so tight, they better be so tight on their technology, because now you're going to have guys out there looking for the glitch, looking for it. And then pointing... That's the other thing. That's the other thing, Kevin.

This is 100%. Someone, I don't know if this person saw the window and took it. And if they did, again, that's stealing, is what that is. No, that's just, you just took advantage of whatever. You can, look, if you're on the side that he should get the money, you can twist yourself into whatever, you know, place you need to get to act like it's justified. It's stealing. It's stealing.

It's not what the actual odds are. I'm for everyone winning. I'm just not for everyone's stealing, and this is stealing. You know, and the other thing about it, too, and this is going to happen with the legalization of something that hasn't been legal, because you're going to get this new group of people involved that has never done this before, and they're not going to understand this stuff, but you and I understand that, you know, if you're in Vegas, and let's just say there was a glitch that hurt you. You had a team plus seven and somehow the ticket printed out plus three and you didn't realize it until after the game or midway through the game, they would completely bend over backwards to accommodate you. They would say, you're right. The line went off at plus seven. Let's change that ticket and give it back to you and give you your winnings.

When you are in these places, the last thing they ever want to do is have the perception out there that they're ripping you off. They're going to win playing it straight no matter what you think they are capable of doing. Yeah, but you could tell me, like, the last thing you'd say at the windows, they always say check your tickets, and it's like all you, if you walk away, all bets are final, and okay, I get it. I understand all these things. And yes, I'm not saying that a ticket doesn't exist that says this. I'm just saying that every single person, including the guy with the ticket,

knows it wasn't supposed to be this. And again, the part that I find amazing is no one cares. It's like you would, it's like an ambulance chasing lawyer, and you, you, I got a lawsuit where I can win X number of dollars. Well, if that's what you want to do to win the money, then fine. That's what you're doing. If no one believes, including this person with a ticket, that that's what you're entitled to. Well, he's got a ticket. That was the bet.

Can you stop being dense? And it just admit that it's not what it was. That's not the actual, that wasn't what the live in game was. A team getting ready to kick a field goal from 36 yards wasn't plus 75. No, no. But no one cares. No one cares. And so everyone's happy that the guy wants.

And here's the thing, I'm not mad that you got money. I don't care. I'm just mad that so many people are so effing dumb. Yeah, don't realize how wrong it was. I agree with you. Let's switch subjects because I have multiple subjects to get to you on. Okay. First up is Tiger.

Fleetwood's tweet, did you see his tweet after they played together yesterday? Yeah, Tiger Woods is good at golf. The, I don't know if we've talked about this already, but I really believe that this is the sports story of the year, or certainly the most improbable sports story of the year, where he started from and where he is right now. Your thoughts on him. and by the way, his chances to potentially win for the first time this weekend.

Well, as I've said all year, he's going to win this year, and this is the last chance. He might not. It's the best group of players playing the best, which is how they earned their way in here. By the way, how about Tony Feene out? That kid shot his 16th straight round in the 60th. That's unbelievable. That's interesting. I hadn't thought about it in the context of the stories of the year.

What's a more improbable story than where he started and where he is today in sports? Well, no, but I was going to agree. I was going to agree with you, Kevin, just because a year ago, he was ranked like 1100th in the world. And I think back to that story of when he came to congressional and tried to hit the balls over the water, and he put three in the water. And number 10. And he's wearing the mic, and he's kind of trying to talk to himself. He's kind of like, you know, trying to come on Tiger his way.

And it was, which is awful. It's pathetic. Like, oh, my God, this is so sad. Look at this dude. He can't do it anymore. He fused his back together because that was like a last chance, like not to play golf, but just to be a regular, upright, walking human. So all of these things were conspiring to tell you that it was over.

And now he's out there hitting five woods on 18 and making Eagles. And people are just, including his peers, Kevin, that's the fun part, including Tommy Flea. But he'd never seen Tiger beat Tiger other than on television. So these guys are psyched to be part of his comeback. story. So he's going to win, and when he does, it'll be, that will be as, as remarkable a part of his story that includes all these wins already as all those wins, because it wasn't supposed to happen. And here's the most, I think, the most important, almost amazing part of it. He didn't

think he was going to do this. He didn't. He had mentally got to a place where he's like, I got to be good with what it's been because like I've done the most I can do. I've done what I can do. And if this is it, then this is it. But apparently it's not it. And, you know, it's interesting. We talked about this two weeks ago, I think you and I did, about if he's in contention on Sunday up against the NFL, what will it do? If he's sitting there in the lead in the final group on Sunday, I know a lot of people, a lot of people, my friends that will be watching that,

and not the NFL on Sunday if it gets to that. Yeah, that'll be interesting. I mean, the NFL is tough. Like, you know, the Ryder Cup will be next week, and the Ryder Cup's pretty good. But that doesn't do great against football. But Tigers, he's a singular thing, as we know. He is a one-man ratings boost,

and we saw it certainly with the Open Championship and with the PGA, but you weren't competing with football. I mean, as amazing as story as he is, football still, you know, and that's a fun, different topic. here about like the ratings and then being down blah blah blah but apparently the ratings last night for the Browns were huge and they're up in many instances so

I don't know I don't know what they'll be I don't care I don't want to necessarily look at that as a business business I get what you're saying it's part of the story and it certainly speaks to how much interest there is but whatever I'm more interested in his numbers and how many under bar they are and just seeing

if you could win again. Scott Van Pelt with us by the way on a podcast they tell me that I don't need to reset like I do and did in radio. Radio resets, for those that aren't in the business, it's like this thing where you, they tell you every two minutes you're supposed to say. Scott Van Paltzone, I hope to turn on the Jerry Subshop Express line. Have you read any of the excerpts from the Belichick book that Ian O'Connor wrote?

Have you read any of them yet? Yeah, yeah, I had Ian on the show the other night to talk to me about. Okay, so tell me about the one, and I'm going to paraphrase, where the assistant coach says that essentially the coaching staff never thought Brady was very good like the rest of the league did, and that they would have had the same results with any top 15 quarterback in the league. Yeah, I mean, I find, I can't fathom that. I mean, I don't understand how that doesn't make sense to me, you know?

I mean, not top 15. If they had had Rogers or Breeze or a really, really good quarterback, Belichick's great. The coaching staff's been great. But it was really, it was very diminishing, I think, of Brady's overall talent and accomplishments and contribution to it.

Well, it's ridiculous. And then I also ask, well, that's the case in why I was Belichick's record what it was when he was in Cleveland, he didn't have him. Right. I mean, I just, I, there were, I mean, what I'm most interested in as it relates to Belichick is, is just the,

you know, how he has managed to be like a Daniel Day Lewis method actor in public and keep who he is as a person so well-shielded from us. Like I, and O'Connor said that there is a soft side, a human side to Belichick. He said most people try to show their best side to the world, and Belichick shows sort of his least appealing side to the world, like that's not the totality in the man. Like that, to me, is what's most interesting about him as a guy. I mean, the arrogance of coachings and whatever else, I think, I don't know, I think,

I think they, as a group, convinced themselves that they're all great, and it's mostly been Brady and Belichick. Look at his coaching tree when it's left. How many have been successful outside of everything? Yeah. I mean, what's the list? I mean, I'm going blank right now. What's the list of? I mean, well, Cornell is the most notable.

And now you got Patricia that's out there. Daniels did nothing. No, I mean, and people seem to think that he'll be good. he'll be good on his second try. But I guess what I'm saying is, you know, just like, just like Shoshavsky or Duke, you know, I mean, the Quinn Snyders and the amateurs and the brays. I mean, there's success, you know. I'm not calling any of these people failures by any stretch, but just, you know,

to think that because you sit next to a genius or you work with a genius 60 hours a week, that you become one by proxy. I mean, it's just not accurate. Yeah, I mean, the Parcell's tree is certainly a hell of a lot more impressive than the Belich, which is the tree that he came from. Of course. The college card, there's not a game tomorrow that's really overly compelling. It may be the weakest Saturday of the year.

Is there a game that you're looking forward to watching? Well, I mean, there's a bunch that I gave out in the winners that I'm curious. I want to hear him here in a moment. I watched Missouri play last week just because I gave out Purdue, and that ended up being correct. But Missouri is very capable offensively. And I just, I want to see if anyone's capable of making Georgia have to pay attention in the second half of the game. You know, they went to South Carolina and it was, you know, mostly a blowout.

So I just want to see, I think Missouri is capable of, at least making it a four-quarter game. So in terms of, like, were they on your winners list? We never do this on Friday, so I never know what your winners are in this. I gave out a bunch. I gave out Missouri as one. Indiana at home is only getting five from Michigan State. That was just as obvious as it gets.

I gave up Marshall's home against NC State. Same deal. They're getting like five from an ACC team. It's going to be like a pretty small number. I mean, you're asking like in terms of a game, Stanford, Oregon at night, sure, but I mean, I don't know if I think Stanford's that good for Oregon. I don't know if they're back

in the big boy table of college football. It's not that, you know, like, this is the problem with college football this year, is that Alabama is such a massive favorite. They're playing an A&M team that Jimbo and given the way they played Clemson at home, because that's kind of cool. They're like a 28-point favorite.

I know. It's unbelievable. 28. Over a team, by the way, that had a legit shot to beat Clemson a few weeks ago. Right. That's what I was just saying. Right. Exactly.

They played Clemson. Well, they lost by two to Clemson. He's one of the top four teams in the country. And it's a four touchdown game, and you'd be a fool to take the points. And this is from a guy that takes the points. points, but betting against Alabama, I mean, why bother? I mean, they gave up a touchdown in the first play of the game last week against Ole Miss, and they scored 62 in a row on the road.

And it could have been worse. They stopped trying. By the way, 13 smell test selections this week, all 13 are underdogs. You're giving out 13 picks? That's what I said. Yeah, I'm giving out 13. I've done that before. And it doesn't, just so you know, it doesn't increase or decrease, or decrease.

your chances of winning or losing by giving out more games. The odds stay the same. I understand that. I just liked a lot of games. I love Missouri. Missouri was a play. I looked at Indiana and Marshall, both of them. Who are your fourth and fifth selections?

Oh, no, I gave out eight. It was Missouri, Oregon, Indiana, Marshall, who else? Georgia Tech. Yeah, of course. What about Florida Atlantic? tonight? I didn't bother. What about Purdue?

See, I like them a lot, but they were on my almost-made-it list. The mall with Oregon State. I think Maryland's all right, right. Yeah, Maryland. I was close to Maryland. What about SMU? Yeah, I like them, but I mean, I just, at some point, I got to, like, I only have an hour on television.

Your phone's breaking up there. All right. Well, it was there briefly, but it's, for the most part, I would give it, I'd give it an A-minus today. in an A plus. Last week it was more in the B minus range, but it was pretty good today. Well, well, and I was supposed to be going yesterday at 1130 and nobody updated me and I try to carve out time

on my period. That was my fault. So I'm going to give you a C minus for your scheduling capabilities. It was worse than that. It was it was an F yesterday. I screwed up with everybody. But see, because I'm trying to help this burgeoning podcast business of years. I'm trying to give you encouraging marks. I know. Thank you. I will talk to you later. Appreciate it as always.

Yep. Have a great day. Good luck with your 13 picks. Scott Van Pelt, everybody. Good luck with your eight. The Kevin Sheehan Show podcast is presented by Windonation. Tell people about it. If you're listening, you've either downloaded it on iTunes or Tune in or Stitcher or some of one of those platforms. And if people ask you and they have a difficult time understanding how to get a podcast, just tell them to go to the Kevin Sheeonshow.com. It's really easy. I put up a website. There's a big play button there.

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It's Friday Football QuickPix. We've already given out a bunch of smell test picks. You just got Van Pelt's eight winners or some of them. It's not a good football Saturday. It really isn't. Sunday's unbelievable. The best games of the weekend. The Georgia Missouri game is interesting, and I gave Missouri out as a smell test pick plus the 14.

They can score. This guy, Drew Locke, is a good quarterback. He's an NFL prospect quarterback. They can move the football and score. Georgia's defense is so good. But that is an interesting game to me. Stanford, Oregon, not so much. I know this is the ABC Saturday night game, and you've got, you know, Aaron,

sort of Oregon's a bit of a surprise so far. Stanford, I have no idea how good they are because SC is terrible and they handled SC, so that's not really an indication of anything. You know, Bama is a 27-point favorite over Texas A&M in the CBS 330 SEC game. Are you kidding me, 27 points over a team that Clemson barely beat? two weeks ago. They beat him 2826 in College Station. I'll give you a game that's interesting on Saturday. Mississippi State at Kentucky is interesting. If you're really into college football, you know that Mississippi State's been a bit of a sleeper pick by many to do really well in the SEC West.

They're ranked 14th in the country right now. They're talented. They're off to a really good start. they've got a brutal schedule, but they're playing Kentucky who's also off to a 3-0 start. This is Mark Stoops now in what, year six, something like that, Aaron? You know, they've been to back-to-back bowl games. His quarterback is a major dual threat guy. That game looks interesting. Mississippi State's laying nine in Lexington on Saturday night. We'll find out if Mississippi States for real or if Kentucky ends up being maybe a surprise team in the SEC East.

really, though, the best games of the weekend are on Sunday. You've got Saints at Falcons on Sunday. That's a huge early week three game in the NFC South. Julio Jones apparently is fine. I don't know if Devante Freeman's back yet. I don't think he is, but I don't really think they need him. Kevin Coleman's running just as well. And Ridley is starting to look pretty good.

I like the Falcons. I think they're very good. I liked the Saints last year, not so. much this year. They clearly are struggling on defense so far. That defense looks like not last years, but the previous years ago. That's an interesting game. Bengals at Panthers, all right? 2-0 Cincinnati at Carolina. Carolina is banged up a little bit, but Carolina, I think, you know, has right now a good football team capable of once again being a playoff team, maybe as a division champion. You know, Tampa is obviously the surprise in the NFC South. Right now, the NFC South,

top to bottom looks like the division in football. All right, because Tampa was supposed to be nothing, and they're in first place at 2-0. You've got Atlanta, you've got New Orleans, you've got Carolina. Carolina home against the Bengals, they're laying three in that game. Didn't like it really as a smell test pick either way.

I think if you forced me to play it, I'd play or lean Carolina. I'm not, you like Cincinnati. You like the Bengals. You like the Bengals. I'm not a believer, even though I actually am in the minority of people who like Andy Dalton. And I would have made a move for Andy Dalton in the offseason if the Alex

Smith deal didn't materialize. You would have had to trade for Dalton, but you would have gotten him on the cheap with, I think, two years left on his deal. Broncos at Ravens, all right? The Broncos are 2-0. The Broncos had the close win over the Raiders last week. I believe, I'm a believer in the Ravens this year. I think they're one of the teams that if they stay healthy are going to win 11 games and be in the postseason. But this is a a good matchup up in up in baltimore sunday denver at baltimore and then how about the battle of l a late sunday chargers at rams um the chargers i don't know i i'm not sure if bosa's back for this one he's missed the first two games i think he's supposed to be out for a little while okay so that's a

you know once again the this guy is a defensive MVP player you know he j j wott there's three or four of them i'll tell you what we could be looking at miles garrett as a as a contender for the defensive MVP this year. Chargers at Rams, I'm a believer in LA Chargers, San Diego, but this is a tough matchup. They're getting seven in the Coliseum against the Rams, not Anaheim. That's where the old Rams played after they were in the Coliseum. Now, they're back in the Coliseum before they move into the shared venue next year or the year after. But that is a really good football game on Sunday. I personally believe the Sunday night game, in New England is going to be a very competitive game.

I think Detroit's much more capable than what they've shown in their first two games. And then really, maybe the Monday night game is the best game of the entire weekend, one that you would have never predicted two weeks ago. But Pittsburgh at Tampa, I don't know if it's a must win for Pittsburgh, but it's a need to have at Tampa. I think that locker room starts getting ugly if they lose that game. I tend to agree with you. Teams I'm interested in watching this weekend.

I am interested in watching Maryland. By the way, that report on the Jordan McNair situation is due out later today. There's that second report on sort of the culture of the football program, and there's no timeline on that particular investigation report coming out. Maryland got absolutely whipped at the line of scrimmage last week against Temple. And Temple did the same thing against Tulsa last night. I actually think Temple's pretty good defensively. Minnesota's good defensively.

If Maryland can't move it against Minnesota, and they can't beat Minnesota tomorrow, it's going to be a long year. So I'll go from a week ago thinking Maryland was a potential seven or eight win bowl team to thinking that they're more like a four win team and not a bowl team. Tomorrow for Maryland against Minnesota, it's must win. This actually just came out within the past 24 hours. Minnesota is going to be playing with a lot of emotion in that because I don't know if you remember Nick Connolly. I do. The alignment he ended up passing away from his cancer yesterday. I didn't see that story.

I do remember the story of him being sick. Well, college football is filled with emotion. The other teams I'm interested in watching, I already mentioned them, but I'm looking to see if the Ravens bounce back after that ugly Thursday night loss a week ago last night to Cincinnati. And how about this game for two O and two teams? The Giants at the Texans. Somebody's season for all intents and purposes is going to come to an end in this one.

The Giants are very good defensively. So is Houston. Deshawn Watson's off to a solid. slow start. Both of these teams, I thought the Giants would be a surprise team in the NFC. I thought Houston was a capable team in the AFC. O and 3, in the NFC and potentially in the NFC East, you're not going to recover from. I don't know if you can recover from that in the AFC South. You probably can't with Jacksonville being in the division. This is a win or, you know, pack it up for the year kind of a game in

Houston. And then I've already mentioned this, but Steelers at Bucks Monday night, What a game. I mean, Pittsburgh and Tampa. Remember, Tampa started with the win at New Orleans. Then they hosted Philly last week. They've got the Steelers tonight. Their next two weeks are at Chicago and at Atlanta. What a schedule is it turned out for Tampa to start with.

Imagine if they come out of that. They do have a biweek in between there. Oh, they do? Yes, there's a Chicago buy week. And that's the big question about James Winston right there. Is that by week there, do they hold him off? And then if Fitzpatrick plays the way he is, does he ever come back? I mean, the Thursday night game looked like a dog on paper,

except for Darnold v. Mayfield, but it turned out to be a very good game last night and a highly rated game. The Monday night game looked like a dog on paper, Pittsburgh at Tampa before the season started, and this may be the best game of the weekend, one of the more important games of the weekend, which is why I always tell Andy Poland every single year, I'm with him, stop going through the schedule. You can create a schedule like I do, but you can't go through it and count on it. Andy's going to join me here shortly. Who's on upset alert? The Packers are.

I've already mentioned that. I think the Redskins have a chance to win that game. And I think they've got a chance to win that game outright. I'm moving into a new studio next week, at least part-time. We're going to use Tony's studio here at Chatter from time to time. But we want to get the podcast out a little bit earlier. I want to get it done earlier. If you live in the Upper Northwest Bethesda Chevy Chase area and you don't want a long commute

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call 240-80-80-6714 or visit launchworkplaces.com. That's 240-8-6714 or launchworkplaces.com. All right. This has been so much fun so far doing this podcast. And one of the people that's been on my list to get on the podcast is my good friend, Andy Poland, who was always a part of the pre-game show every week. week and Andy and I did, you know, Monday morning quarterback together. And of course, Andy was with Zabe for 13 years and then back again for another run with Zabe. That went a little bit shorter.

But Andy's, Andy's going to come on on Fridays with me and do, you know, the things he does, you know, so well as sort of a Redskins historian and NFL historian. And then he'll stick around with me to do Redskins score and more to finish up the Friday show. All right, what do you got? These are fun. When you start to research these things, it's like American pickers, you know, when they find the oil sign and oh, wow, there's a baby carriage from 1910. I didn't know it was there. So you start to look at these things. And we talked about this early in the week.

We've got Aaron Rogers, who was supposed to be the number one pick of the draft and slid down to 24. And Alex Smith, who was number one. So we got the match up. Aaron Rogers wasn't supposed to be number one. He just wasn't supposed to be 24. No, I thought it was a coin flip going into the draft, whether it's going to be Smith or Rogers. I don't remember it quite that way. But go ahead.

Okay. So I look way back. 1957, John Brody was the third pick of the draft, the 44th overall, which would be now mid-second round, but in those days, fourth round, Sonny Jurgensen by the Philadelphia Eagles. And, you know, Sunny came here to Washington, 1964. So their first meeting as Sonny as a Redskin quarterback was November 12, 1967 at D.C. This was before, of course, came RFK. And this was the year that the Redskins had the one, two, and four receivers in the NFL.

Riley Taylor, Jerry Smith. Bobby Mitchell was fourth. And Sonny Jurgensen didn't need a running game. In fact, their top running back that year was A.D. Whitfield, who had 384 yards for the year. As far as this game went, it was very typical of Redskin games in those days. They couldn't stop anybody. They would outscore him. So it was a seesaw game back and forth, won by the Redskins 31 to 28. And Sunny hit Jerry Smith on a 15-yard touchdown pass late to win the game. They met two years later. at Kesar Stadium. This is not Cantero. Not Candleston. Yep. Keysar Stadium. And this was the Lombardy year. And so you had two ties.

Yep. Two ties that year. This was one of them. 17.17. Here are the stats for Sunny in that game. 27 of 39 for 258 yards. One touchdown, one interception. Brody, 18 of 29, 149 yards.

One touchdown, one interception. Two of the top passages in the game. Kind of pedestrian stats. Well, you know what's interesting, Andy? When you look back, and I do this every once, in a while on pro football reference and you pull up box scores. There just weren't these prolific passing numbers. The completion percentage is the most jarring thing.

The completion percentages in the 60s and even the 70s were generally under 50%. Yeah, well, you got to realize 78 was a game changer. Of course, with the five-yard shot. Yeah, you could kill, and that's why Pat Fisher at 5'9 and not that fast stayed the league. You could mall somebody at the line of scrimmage. Yeah, exactly. So in this game, it came down to the last. seconds of the game, I actually the last minute of the game, and Sunny threw a four-yard touchdown pass to

Jerry Smith, 26 seconds left for a 17-17 tie. Here's something that I found that was really cool. I don't even know if they still have this rule. Now remember, the goalposts were up against the goal line on those days. So at the end of the game, they forced the 49ers to punt, and Ricky Harris made a fair catch. You have free kick. Yeah, at his own. That rule still exists. It still does? Okay. You can, and I think I saw it, I think I saw it in Denver maybe a few years ago at the end of a half. Kicker called a fair catch. And in Denver, you know, it was going to be like a 70-yard attempt. It may have been a Janikowski attempt for Oakland.

And a free kick means it's a free kick. The defense can't rush the kicker. Yeah. It's like when you play, you know, flag football and somebody holds the ball and you kick off. Right. So he caught the ball at his own 44. And Kurt Knight came out to attempt a 56-yard field goal, which was wide left and the Redskins wound up with a tie. All right. Billy Kilmer, 19...

Hold on real quickly. Brody's in the Hall of Fame, right? No. He's not. No. Because I was going to say, Sonny was the better quarterback. But Brody had much more team success. The 49ers were always in the postseason with Brody at quarterback. And losing to the Cowboys. And losing to the Cowboys in NFC Championship games, I think at least twice, at least two NFC title games.

the Cowboys. Right. And Brody had thrown, that's the thing about Sonny, how could Sonny last until a fourth round? I think he's told you and I, his senior year at Duke, he threw like 50 passes the whole year. He didn't throw the football. Yeah, so nobody knew he was a great passion. And Sonny will tell you he was just as good as basketball players as he was a football player. And it's at six feet tall, thought he had a better chance to play pro sports and football, which turned out he was pretty good. Basketball. Yeah, pretty good at playing football. I, Billy Kilmer, he was the, it was actually a halfback coming out of UCLA. He was the 11th pick by San Francisco.

in 1961, Norm Sneed was number two overall taken by the Redskins. Number one, Tommy Mason, who finished his career with the Redskins and later married Kathy Rigby, who competed against Olga Corbett in the 1972 Olympics. We're just full of trivia today. Anyway, they wind up, they don't wind up starting against each other with Billy quarterbacking the Redskins and Sneed, the New York Giants at this point. But this is October 29, 1972 at Yankee Stadium, one of the great games. of that year where the Redskins went to the Super Bowl for the first time.

The Redskins won 23 to 16 over the Giants. Sonny Jurgensen started. Tours Achilles. Yeah, Tours Achilles, first pass of the game. And so Billy comes in. Stats are not spectacular. He was 8 of 16, 114 yards, two touchdowns, one interception. Sneed through 37 passes, 250 yards.

What Larry Brown doing that game? Larry Brown. Yeah, he had a big game. 29 carries, 191 yards, one rushing touchdown. He also caught two passes. for 42 yards, including a touchdown, was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, and Chris Hamburger stole the ball from Ron Johnson,

who was running. He was a good running back. Yeah, and Hamburger, who later made the Hall of Fame, took the ball away from the set up a touchdown. All right. That was, for Redskin fans of a certain age, that was a famous game, because Sonny went down, Kilmer came in,

and they went on to the Super Bowl. There's a great still photo taken by Dick Darcy of Sonny limping off the field and Billy looking at his leg. And Billy took that team to the Super Bowl. 1971, Joe Thysman out of Notre Dame, a contender for the Heisman trophy, was taken 99th overall by the Miami Dolphins. That year, quarterbacks went one, two, and three.

Jim Plunkett to New England, Archie Manning to New Orleans, Dan Pasarini to Houston. That's the Riggins draft. That's right, John Riggins. You know, Riggins went number six overall, right? I think that's right. Yeah. So I couldn't really find any matchups between Pastor

and Thysman because it was AFC. They didn't play very often. And remember this. Joe got to Washington in 1974, Sunny's last year, and George Allen traded a first round draft pick for him. But he didn't become a full-time starter for another four years. Is you sure Pastorini in 1980 in the opener when Earl Campbell was their running back at RFK, that that wasn't a Pastorini-Thysman matchup?

They'd already traded for Stabler at that point. I think so. But here's the ones I found. for Archie Manning. October 28th, 1979 at RFK, Saints win 14 to 10. Now, this is the Redskinned team that starts 6 and 0. This is their third straight loss of their 6 and 3. Joe was sacked seven times in this game, and all the points in this game was...

78. 79. 78 was their 6 and 0 start. That's right. Okay. So 79 was... This year they were 10 and 6. Yeah, they went 10 and 6 and lost the Cowboys.

You're right about that. Okay, so he was sacked seven times, and Archie got the best of them. there. But they meet the following year, October 26, 1980 at RFK. Again, Redskins win 2214, almost the reverse. Joe 15 of 29, 185 yards in a touchdown, Archie, who may have been the most sacked quarterback in NFL history. They didn't start keeping sack stats until 1982. He was sacked five times in this game. Mark Mosley, five of six on field goals, one from 50 and one from 52. And this was the Saints team that went one in 15 under Dick Nolan and the bags that see in the stadiums? Their fans invented

them that year. Is that the game where, was that the final game of that shortened season? No, this is 80. Oh, I thought you said 82. My fault. Okay. Okay. Now, Joe, here's the game that I really, I think, stands out of all of this. And if on Sunday we get a game like this, it'll be incredible. This is Joe

versus Plunkett, October 2nd, 1983 at RFK. Great game. Redskins win 3735. Both teams are 4 and 1, and are on a collision course, to be in the Super Bowl. Listen to the stats. Joe. He threw for three something. Four something.

23 of 39 for 417 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions, but he was sacked six times. Plunk it, 16 of 29, 3752 yards, four touchdowns, four interceptions, four receptions, and he was sacked five times. Here's how it unfolded. First half, the Raiders get a 99-yard touchdown pass to Cliff Branch. Oh, Branch. Cliff Branch, okay. then in the suey drive, Redskins get a five-yard touchdown pass to Joe Washington,

then Plunkett throws a touchdown pass, touchdown passes of 35 and 22 yards to Calvin Muhammad. Didn't Pruitt have a punt return for a touchdown in that game? He did right before the half, 97 yards, so it's 35 to 20 Los Angeles Raiders at the half. In suing kickoff at halftime, Joe Thaisman throws a rocket screen to Joe Washington for 62 yards. that becomes important later on. That sets up an 11-yard touchdown pass to Charlie Brown, 35-27. Onside kick recovers, 34-yard field goal from Mosley, 35 to 30. Raiders go three and out.

Redskins get the ball on their own 31 with a minute 50 to play. Thaisman, three straight passes to Charlie Brown. And then Joe Washington for the winner. Yeah, second down, he throws a touchdown pass for Joe Washington for the winner. And Mark Rippin, who was until a guy named Brady came along, the only sixth rounder to win a Super Bowl. He was taken 146 overall in 86. Jim Everett, number three by Houston, traded to the Rams when they got a guy by the name

of Warren Moon. And they met December 1st, 1991. That was the Super Bowl year. Redskins won easily 27 to 6. Real quickly, before we get to Redskins scoring more, the Raiders Redskins game in October of 83 that Andy just went through is one of the great regular season NFL games you'll ever see. Redskins down 15.

They scored. They kicked an on-side kick. they ended up winning the game. The thing that was significant, three things were significant. Number one, Marcus Allen didn't play for the Raiders in that game. Number two, Michael Haynes was not yet on the Raiders. Oh, so mid-season trade? It's a mid-season trade.

So they didn't have Marcus Allen, Michael Haynes. For my money, Michael Haynes is the greatest corner in the history of the game, Allen, a Hall of Famer. And then the rocket screen that Andy referred to was, of course, then run right before the end of the half in the Super Bowl against the the Raiders later that year in Tampa, picked off by Jack Squirec, touchdown Raiders, 21, 3 at halftime game over, a play in which Joe's told the story a few times over the years where he said, Coach, Joe, are you sure you want to run it? And Joe just said, get out there and run it.

That's Thaisman's version. That's the Seisman's version. All right, let's get to Redskins score and more. Time to settle the score is score and more. All right, we'll finish up the show today on a football Friday. Andy's going to stick around for Redskins score and more. We need a Redskins prediction from you, Andy, and a footnote, I'll let you go first. Okay. I think it's going to take four touchdowns to win this game, and I don't see the Redskins offense scoring four touchdowns. So I like Green Bay to win this game, 3117. I don't think it's going to be close. And I think that Aaron Rogers will throw three touchdown passes on the Redskins. All right, I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Ben Standing at the

beginning of this podcast today. You know, a lot of times when like some big event, in sports happens, some big move. We never see it coming. And I just wonder if you think that there's any chance, if they lay an egg Sunday at home for the second consecutive week with a buy week next week, if Jay Gruden would be in trouble at one and two. No. I don't think they'd fire them then. They might fire them at the end of the season. But they have a head coach, former head coach on the staff. I understand that. But how often have you seen it that early in a season? It wouldn't be unprecedented. Yeah, but I mean, George Allen got fired halfway through his first training camp with the Rams. But I don't see that happening. And their big thing is they've got to spackle over this embarrassment of the attendance where they're, oh, we're going to be transparent, but we're really excited.

We've got all these new things at the stadium and everybody's excited about coming out. And they announced 57, which looks like 37. I think that's a bigger issue for them than, and they don't want to, because that would be a real dark cloud over the organization. if you fire the coach three games in, don't you think? I don't know if the cloud could get any darker than if they were to lay another egg Sunday in front of a 50-50 crowd at best. It may be on Sunday. All right, I've got the Redskins winning on Sunday.

This is right out of the smell test category. The Redskins are a massive anti-public play Sunday plus the three. Public is absolutely convinced that Vegas has aired with this point spread. And I like the Redskins. In fact, I like them on the money line to win the game outright. 27, 23. The footnote is that Aaron Rogers gets them super close at the end of the game for the game winner.

And on a fourth down, Ryan Carrigan comes up big because we have not heard from Ryan Carrigan in the first two games and he sacks what will be a statue like quarterback and Aaron Rogers on one knee to end the game. Redskins pull off. a huge win to give them momentum going into the buy week. I don't know what this will be an indication of in terms of the future and the rest of the season. I don't think it will be at all.

I just like them a lot on Sunday to win the game 2723. I don't know. And as far as the statue, yes, Dan Marino spent his whole year as a statue, but he knew how to get rid of the football. So does Rogers. He's very good. All right. Thank you, Andy.

Very much. Thanks to Aaron. He produced this podcast. Thanks to everyone here at Chatter. And, of course, our presenting sponsor, our friends at Window Nation. you need Windows call today, 86690 Nation or Window Nation.com. Back Monday with a recap of the Redskins, Packers, and all of the football from the weekend. Have a great day.