The Kevin Sheehan Show - Waffle House & Derek Carr

Episode Date: January 12, 2023

Kevin and Thom today on a plethora of topics including the ambiance of Waffle House, whether or not the Commanders should be interested in Dereck Carr, Thom's karaoke night, and Kevin's admission that he's a Big 10 guy.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheyenne Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. You guys continue to do a great job,

and I appreciate it on the ratings and reviews. Keep them coming if you haven't rated or reviewed the show, especially on Apple and Spotify. This one from L Sleeper, Tommy. This podcast is my favorite thing to listen to on my drive into work. live in Norfolk is the way they pronounce it down there, not Norfolk. Norfolk. And I work in Suffolk. There are a lot of DC fans down here in the Tidewater area. I find your podcast to be the best mixture of up-to-date information and perfect entertainment.

Cooley is the man. Tom is great. Tell Tom thanks for the support of our local ODU legend, Taylor Heineke. Thank you, L. Sleeper. Don't forget to rate us and review us on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you get this podcast. Tommy just told me... Let me ask you a question, Kevin. Yes, yes. Before we move on from the accolades. And again, another year of the Golden Globes and we get passed over again, you know?

There's so much politics in Hollywood, it's disgusting. It's unbelievable. But I don't, honestly, I think if we continue to be as controversial as we've been over the years, I just don't think they're ever going to consider us. we're a big for them we're a big risk we're a big risk we get we get no respect from the farm you would certainly think given that you know not even the co-host on tuesdays and thursdays has acknowledged this of course he wasn't going to acknowledge this you would think that the eight eight and one preseason prediction actually coming true would win us a golden

globe i don't know how that didn't happen wait a minute i got a blouse i'm supposed to I'm supposed to bring out the parade for you. You're not capable of it yourself. I was ready to throw bouquets your way, but you never even brought it up with me. Well, it's not my job to bring it up. It's not my job at all to bring it up. You know, if you don't promote yourself, no one's going to do it for you. Certainly you're not going to remember.

This guy, Land, is his name, wrote me this long thing. He said, I just can't believe your good friend and co-host. Tom Leverro. I mean, he expects you to remember every single prediction, the few he gets right. And you predicted 8-8-1. 8-8-1. 8-8 would be one thing, but you predicted 8-8-1. Come on, Tommy. Thank you, Land. It was pretty good. It was very impressive, actually. But again, I didn't get the exact game of the tie. I said it was going to be Chicago with the Giants. So I got to work harder next year.

The Chicago game was almost a tie. The Chicago game. Score-wise. Yes. If, you know, 12 to 7, you get a little Chicago touchdown, two-point conversion, 15 to 12. You get a field goal, 15-15-15. We could have had a 15-15 overtime game. But at that point, they would have just finished, they would have just finished 7-8-2.

That would have been the record. Oh, my God, that would have been ugly. Hold on. Let me write that one down for next year. 7, 8, and 2. Imagine I get 7, 8, and 2 next year right. That would be impressive. That would be.

Although this year's impressive enough. Okay. You know, don't reach for the stars. Okay. Well, I mean, if you do enough, as Donnie Simpson used to say at the very end of his program every day on WKYS, which I listen to religiously, you reach for the moon because even if you fall short, you'll be among the stars. Okay, what were you in the middle of saying off of the very nice accolade? What I was saying was, how come we don't read any nasty reviews?

There must be some nasty reviews, aren't there? I definitely get some nasty reviews. I definitely get more nasty, you know, tweets and nasty emails. There have been a couple. No, I mean the actual negative reviews. The reviews on Apple, I have to tell you, like, Lee, so there aren't many of them. I mean, why are you bringing this up? Now you're going to actually prompt somebody to say, oh, I didn't know I could give a negative review.

Oh, my God, you're right. You're right. But we have, like, this podcast. Just edit this part out. This podcast averages 4.8 stars out of five. I would think that's pretty good. That's very good. again, that's golden globe-worthy.

I would think so. And we've got over 4,000 ratings on Apple. Now, as I've said to you before, I do know in the podcast world, that's an incredible number of ratings to get. Like, that's great. But it's also a fraction of what our typical daily downloaded audience is. So there are thousands of you that haven't rated and reviewed us. So if you pause this for 30 seconds and give us five stars in a quick one to two sentence review, that would be nice. Five stars.

Don't take Tommy's encouragement so that we can read a negative review on the next show. By the way, several people did write a review saying Cooley for OC in 23. That was from Real Deal, Holy, not Holyfield. And then somebody else said, what about Cooley for offensive coordinator? I've gotten a lot of that in the last few days. I think he would be a great offensive coordinator. But I think you typically have to start as like, you know, a position coach and then move your way up to, you know, some sort of OC opportunity.

Anyway, what else do you have before you tell me about your Waffle House breakfast this morning? Oh, that's it. That's it. I got a full belly and I'm ready to roll, baby. because I've got a bowl of hash browns, eggs, and bacon in me. I love breakfast. A bowl. Love breakfast.

It was a breakfast bowl with hash browns, eggs and bacon, and ants. The ants were in there, too, on the table. There were ants on the table? A little ones. But they didn't get into the bowl. Oh, I don't know. How do I know if they got the bowl? Because you ate it so quickly?

you didn't even look? Well, they were very tiny ones. They were a real tiny one. Oh, God, that's so gross to me. We must have killed about a dozen before we started eating. Is that seriously? Oh, my God. Oh, absolutely.

I can't, you know, I've been to a Waffle House. I was on the road many years ago, pulled over in the morning and had Waffle House. I've been to a Waffle House. I've been to Waffle House. I can't tell you, I've been to the, you know, I've been to more IHops than Waffle houses. There are more IHops around here than Waffle houses. And I've been to the pancake house many times in Bethesda and the one in Rockville.

Didn't you and I go to that one in Rockville, the original pancake house once for breakfast together? We didn't? Oh, I thought that was maybe it was Scotland. I think we went to the Silver Diner. Yeah, we did the Silver Diner a lot for lunch. But the original pancake house on Rockville Pike and there's one in Bethesda. So, you know, aunts aside, it was a good breakfast. Oh, look, I love Waffle House.

And, you know, just to get myself ready for it before I went to bed last night, I watched some Waffle House fights on YouTube. There's lots of Waffle House fights. Are there really? Oh, yes, there are. Oh, my God. Are they usually late at night? Late at night. Yeah, usually late at it.

It's usually dark outside. Alcohol involved. Alcohol involved. Yeah. Yes. My favorite are, you know, worker-on-worker fights. Those are my favorite. Behind the counter?

Behind the counter or fight each other. Yeah. That's great. I mean, especially if you're one of those franchisees that owns the place. That's awesome to see one of your places pop up. Look at your employees going at it. There's a pan over ahead and there's some hot coffee being thrown. So I will tell you.

Let me make it clear. I love Waffle House. Yeah, no, it sounds like it. I like the atmosphere. I like that. I like the whole Waffle House experience. Right. And I've told this story before, but when I used to go to spring training in Florida, in Viera for the nationals, I used to stay in Cocoa Beach.

And there was an infamous Waffle House. It's still there on A1A in Cocoa Beach. Right. And I'd wind up. up there many times 1.30, 2, 2.30 in the morning. And typically, I'd be the only one in there with two eyes.

With two eyes. Right. So, many... A lot of glass eyes in that place. A lot of glass eyes, a lot of bad beams in that place. I mean, for those kinds of places, you know, growing up in,

you know, on the mean streets of Bethesda, we did have tasty diner. which is still, I mean, I can't tell you how many times late at night, especially as a much younger person, I ended up in Tasty Diner. In fact, I will tell you, until recently, meaning in the last like 15 years, I don't think I had ever been into Tasty Diner actually sober. But I love, I love diners and I love breakfast. I like making breakfast. I usually make breakfast for everybody on the weekends. My wife doesn't make breakfast. I'm the one that makes breakfast. But I love being at a diner, you know, for breakfast. And silver diners, you know, awesome for breakfast. Tasty diners,

awesome for breakfast food. The waffle houses, I hops. You know, it's really hard to screw up breakfast. I mean, seriously, it's kind of hard unless you got ants in your bowl. You know, keep... I was pointing that out as a plus, not necessarily a negative. I know you were. It would be a negative for me, but I would understand it. And I wouldn't mind it considering where I was in the state that I was in. Now, what is your favorite breakfast combo?

Did you have it this morning? Was that your favorite? Well, you can't get a breakfast bowl of bacon eggs and hash browns in every place. You can only get it. I think pretty much at Woff. house. Okay. Generally, if I'm at, if I'm at Denny's or a diner for breakfast, I'll usually get a ham

and cheese omelet. Hmm. A ham and cheese omelette. That would be, that's my usual move. I think, and I don't like my omelets to be fluffy. I like them to be flatter. I don't like them fluffy. So you don't like a big, a big three-egged fluffy omelet.

You'll take a two-egged flat omelet. That's what I like. I prefer to flatter kind of. And what do you go with in that omelette? for you just cheese. Ham and cheese. Okay, you said ham and cheese. I actually love Canadian bacon,

which is kind of like ham. I, first of all, that's not my go-to. Omelets are not my go-to. Like even if I'm at a brunch place, you like at a hotel and they've got an omelet station, I usually don't go omelets. I will go two eggs over medium

and then, you know, load it up with, you know, bacon, sauce. Canadian bacon. But I'll tell you what, in a diner, especially if they do it well, French toast and or pancakes. I mean, and you got to go with the whole thing because you've got to have the sweet and the salty mix. So the eggs and the sausage bacon with the hash browns and then aside, a short stack, Tommy, a short stack of pancakes or a side of French toast.

French toast is something I do a lot of at home. with the big hollab bread, and I do pancakes every once in a while. We do waffles. I've got a waffle maker. I do waffles. I like waffles, too. You go to the Waffle House, you didn't get waffles. And coffee is very important at a diner.

But I don't drink coffee. That's right. You don't drink coffee. So what did you drink? I don't drink coffee. I drink milk. And the waitress looks at me like I'm some kind of nerd. When I order a glass of milk.

That's not. I remember one time when we were in. Spain and with my family. And we were in Barcelona. And I had a little bit of a hangover from the night before. And we went down for breakfast. I really wanted a glass of milk. So when the waiter comes to me and says, what would you like to drink with your meal, I said, I'll have a milk. And he just stands there and looks at me. Yeah, you're in Europe. For like about 30 seconds at least, although it seemed like five minutes, he said, milk. and I said, okay, I'll have a service.

Yeah. And he was embarrassed for me that I would order of milk. I mean, it wasn't a man. But milk here, for a breakfast, that's not so unusual. You know, coffee and juice is obviously the things that get offered. And I'm talking about non-alcoholic. You know, coffee juice. First thing a waiter says to you or a waiter says to you at breakfast, coffee or milk.

coffee or juice. I usually don't do the juice. I always do the coffee, but I'll tell you what I do like every once in a while. I will buy this in the supermarket. I love chocolate milk, but not every kind of chocolate milk. Like some of the private-labeled chocolate milks like it's Safeway,

which is Lucerne or Giant, which is whatever it is, you know, sometimes that chocolate milk's great. but the Nestle's quick chocolate milk is excellent. And then Whole Foods has a chocolate milk from some dairy that they get. That's phenomenal. I love cold chocolate milk. Do you drink chocolate milk? Not a chocolate milk guy.

I don't have chocolate. I don't eat candy. Yeah, you're not a sweets person. I got sick on chocolate when I was a little kid, and it always stuck with me. You decided not to go back? Yeah. You've missed out. Too bad I didn't have a beer when I was five years old and gotten sick.

It changed my life. True. Too bad I didn't lose my first wager that I made when I was in high school. Might have worked out much better. All right. Well, at least we've learned something. We've learned it's actually a positive if there are ants on the table at a Waffle House for Tommy. And don't you dare fluff up that omelet for him?

Keep that thing flat and hard and probably well done. All right. I've got, you know, actually I'm thinking here, you and I did the podcast on Tuesday, just as the Rivera and Mayhew press conference ended, but before Scott Turner was fired. So I'll give you a chance right now to weigh in on something we expected. We actually did talk about, you know, Scott Turner on the show. And I think everybody knew he would get fired. But if you had any thoughts on that, go ahead.

Well, the whole Scott Turner thing, I mean, I think, you know, we sort of expected that. It's hard to defend Scott Turner. I guess the only defense about Scott Turner is he could say like he's an accessory to the crime or he's just, you know, they didn't get the whole gang in this case. They just got one of the criminals for this offense this year. But, you know, I didn't really get a chance to really evaluate the press conference until much later. I mean, I did a superficial evaluation. Well, I did too.

I went much deeper into it yesterday, but it had just ended. and we didn't have all the quotes right in front of us. No, I know what you're saying. But before you go there, because I know where you want to go to there in a second, I just want to ask you one question about Scott Turner. Do you think this was a total scapegoat firing? Well, do I think he's culpable? I think he is.

I think he's in part, yeah. So I think it was a semi-scapegoat. And he's not innocent. Okay. I just think that he's part of a crew, an offensive, a limited offensive crew. I'll tell you why, he's part of a limited offensive, a limited intelligence quotient, period in that building. I mean, it's been 10 years of that in that building. I'm talking about on the coaching side.

I mean, the last. I mean, on the football side. I know. That's what I'm saying on the football side. I have no idea how dumb that this organization was, the new football organization was, until the coach and the general manager got together and opened their mouths the other day. I had no idea how dumb they were. We'll get to that. I think they've got a serious, and I think we've seen this over the three years,

a seriously short, convenient memory, and they aren't the best communicators. I don't think Martin Mayhew is dumb. I actually think he's pretty thoughtful. I'm not saying he's a great general manager. But I definitely think with respect to communication, there are a lot of people out there with the exception of Jack Del Rio who are kind of slow on the take. Now, with that said, back to the scapegoat thing,

I just, the reason, they gave this guy a contract extension a year ago. They're going to be paying him through 2024. All it would have taken would have been, one bounce of the ball in one of these close games that they lost, a 9-7-1 record playing this weekend, probably in a game that they wouldn't have had any chance of winning against the 49ers. And there's no way that Scott Turner would have been fired. No way. I think it came, the crash and burn down the stretch, Ron felt the need.

Now, I'm not saying that there wasn't a little bit of a disconnect between Ron and Scott. And there's a disconnect between Ron and Ron, you know, between what Ron says now, what Ron said a few months ago or six months ago. But I'm just saying that somebody had to be the scapegoat for this. I don't think the fans are buying any of it. But it was obvious it was going to be Scott Turner, especially after that Sam 40A story. And I just think that, you know, I mean, to me, the defense. and I already made it yesterday. And again, just to be clear, if you didn't listen to yesterday's show,

I'm totally okay with them trying to do better than Scott Turner. Tommy, the net of it is, and I probably said this to you on Tuesday and even before Tuesday. I don't know how you can actually legitimately evaluate an offensive coordinator when he's had eight starting quarterbacks in three seasons, and none of them, unless it turns out the Howl's good, but he only started one game. None of them are any good. I mean, his two quarterbacks this year per PFF. That's absolutely fair.

I had Nick Ackridge on the radio show this morning, the PFF Senior Data Analyst. And again, whatever, you think about PFF. But 41 quarterbacks, I was wrong yesterday, I said 38. 41 quarterbacks had enough pass attempts to be evaluated by PFF. Heinecke finished 40th and Wentz finished 35th. So only Zach Wilson was worse than Heineke, and there were only six guys worse than Wentz. And somehow, somehow they went 8, 8 and 1. I mean, in this day and age of football, if your quarterbacking has been as bad as their quarterbacking's been,

and you are flirting with 500, I actually think there's probably some credit due to somebody. Now, the defense was awesome this year. The defense was spectacular, and they ran the ball in the games in which they were competitive in. But anyway, enough about Scott Turner. I know where you wanted to go, so go with it after more of a deep dive into the Mayhew Rivera press conference. Well, one last thing about the Scott Turner thing is good luck getting an offensive coordinator come here of any note. I talked about that too as well. Yeah.

Yeah. given the uncertainty of the ownership status and the limitations, which were clear as day, of your bosses in that press conference. Well, beyond that, you may be taking a job with a coach that's going to be blown out a year from now. Yes, that's what I mean. Given the ownership situation, it makes every position uncertain. Good luck trying to get somebody of any talent to take this job. You say Martin May he's a smart guy. He's got a law degree.

Okay. I've met a lot of lawyers who I don't think are smart guy. Yeah. Okay. Nobody is a smart. I just don't think he's a dummy. I think he's thoughtful. I don't think he's a dummy.

I don't think he's a great GM. Nobody can be thoughtful and say the things he said and think that nobody was listening. Paying attention. To the things that they said when they traded for Carson's. went and talked about opening up the passing attack and going down field. I mean, that's just that's literal stupidity to think that, oh, they'll never remember that. It was paying attention then. Even you really purposely said they didn't think that people remember or they just simply

forgot what they said. He wasn't very thoughtful on that answer. No, no. I mean, I thought the running game, which is what they did this year, made a lot of sense because of the limitations of the quarterback. Right. I mean, that was, I thought it was a byproduct of their talent, not their actual strategy moving forward, not the overall game plan, you know.

I mean, look, I love the old, I love Larry Sunkah, I love Rigo, I love all those running backs. but baby it's it's 2022 and nobody's getting to any NFC or AFC title games except for

for Tennessee one year a couple years ago and that was with Derek Henry who's a generational running back nobody's getting to those games with just a running game you need the quarterback who can air it out you know

I don't know where he got this notion that you know teams that are successful rely on the run where I looked at the bills, I looked at the chiefs, I looked at, who else did I look at, at the Bengals.

And passing the running is almost 2 to 1 ratio against running. And you got to remember with all those teams, some of those running attempts are from their quarterback. Yeah, and a lot of those running attempts are late in the game when they've got a lead. They threw to get the lead

and they ran to, you know, kind of Gibbs in 91. I mean, there's so much to this, and you haven't heard my take on this because I did it on the podcast yesterday without you, and you don't listen to the podcast unless you're on it. But you're spot on, and me saying that he's thoughtful,

he wasn't very thoughtful with that answer. And I don't know if you were about to say this, but how about the part where he said, Mayhew said, you know, the team that I was involved in here was a run-first team. No, the 91 team was one of the great downfield passing teams of all time in terms of the deep ball with the posse and ripping. And they did run the ball well too, but usually it was with big leads, and they were running a lot in the second half. But you're –

I mean, it's stunning. I mean, they're going to have to dig up George Hallis if they want to get the offensive coordinator that they want. But that's if you really do believe them. and rather than them just kind of riffing and coming up with something that sounds good for the press conference that day, which really has been Rivera's MO. It's like he's looking for themes. Like I mentioned yesterday, the word formula as in run first, heavy run to pass ratio, was used seven times in the press conference.

You know, it's like when Dan had the coach-centric press conference when he introduced Ron, it was like, oh, this new thing. No, see, here's the problem, and I, and I, and you nailed it. Like, if, it would have been okay when David Aldridge asked a very good question, you know, you've been talking about this run first team. Is that more philosophical or was it more because of your personnel? It would have been totally okay for them to say it was because of our personnel. That was what kept us competitive.

We had some limitations and we had a great defense. And so we turned towards a four. that we thought would keep us competitive, and it did, you know, which by the way, I give him credit for. But here's the problem with them saying it's philosophical. Well, you start with they traded for Carson Wentz. And as you described, and I pointed out yesterday, they were talking about stretching the field and they finally have a quarterback that can make the NFL throws and we're going to go

vertical. You know, and not only that, they extended Terry McLaren, they drafted John Dodson. They re-signed J.D. McKinn. A pass catching back. And who did they let walk out the door? Sheriff and Flowers. And so, and, and, and, and they drafted a tight end that's really a wide receiver and Cole Turner. Now, I know that they wanted to be a team that could really pound people and be physical between

the tackles, which is why they drafted Brian Robinson, Jr. But balance is one thing. Philosophical. Mayhew at one point basically said that what they did on Sunday, which was two and a half, basically, run to pass, not two and a half to one, but more than two to one, is what they want to be. No, nine of the top ten teams, nine of the top ten offensive passing teams in the league are in the postseason. 13 of the top 16 in DVOA are in the postseason.

Now, here's what I talked about this morning, which I haven't talked about on the podcast. If you really were being honest the other day, and this is what you want to be, then go get the quarterback that completes the entire run-first puzzle. Because Cam Newton was a running quarterback. And those dual backs that they had with Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams and then Jonathan Stewart and Christian McCaffrey, which Rivera talked about the two backs, and that's why they drafted Robinson to have the two backs.

Now go get the quarterback. Now maybe they believe Sam Hal could be that guy because Sam Hal can run and he's a physical runner. But go get the quarterback and go higher when he gets fired in Baltimore, Greg Roman, to come in here who's had Kaepernick and who's had Lamar Jackson. And let's do it. If we're going to go that route, if you really believe in that philosophically, then in 2023, your quarterback has to be a part of that. Now, you're going to be limited. Baltimore's never gotten to a Super Bowl with Lamar Jackson.

Tennessee with, yes, in Tannahill, they presented him. often as a dual threat quarterback with Henry, with Arthur Smith, as their coordinator. They won 12 games. They were a one seed last year, but they got beaten the first round at home. Because it just like this year and watching what Washington was trying to do, it's a small margin for error approach. Now, can you win a lot of games that way? Yeah, can you win a Super Bowl that way?

I don't think you can. I think you'd have to get lucky to do it. And I think you'd also have to have somebody like Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields as your quarterback. Justin Fields, by the way, can throw it much better than many of you have tried to tell me he can throw it on Twitter. If Justin Fields becomes available because they want to draft Bryce Young, which I think they should consider. I would if I were a Chicago. If I were a Chicago fan, I'd be thinking seriously about Bryce Young and I like Justin Fields. If that's the case and they're looking to deal Justin Fields, then go for it.

Be what you were in Carolina. You were running your quarterback off tackle. You were running counters with your quarterback. You were running a ton of read option with your quarterback. Go for it. Be that kind of team. But don't tell us that that's what your philosophy is when all of your actions said you were trying to be the opposite of that.

Maybe not the opposite of that. Maybe that's an exaggeration. but it certainly didn't say that, you know, you wanted to be a two-to-one run-over pass team. And by the way, in the NFL, you throw to win, you run to run the clock out to preserve the win. That's what the great teams do in 2023. You know, you're not going to be a one-seed or a two-seed with a legitimate chance to win a Super Bowl like Buffalo and Kansas City and Cincinnati, unless, unless Kyle Shanahan is your coach and you've got an incredible roster. Although I'll tell you, I am starting to believe that there's no way a seventh round

last pick in the draft, third string quarterback can win a Super Bowl. Can he? I don't think that, I think they're going to stumble. And they're such a good, it's such a good team. I mean, it's a phenomenal team with a great coach, head coach, and great defense. offensive coordinator again. They have that again. Yeah.

You know what, Kevin? I think part of what we saw, a good part of what we saw in the press conference, is them trying to wash the stink of the Carson went straight off them. Oh, yeah. There was a lot. Yep.

Yeah. The stink just covers them. It absolutely covers them, and they can't wash it off. And they're trying so bad to wash it off. You know? I mean, again, you know, I went back and looked at what Martin Mayhew said when they traded for Wentz, and he almost used the same description at the press conference at the end of the season.

He referred to both times in praising him as saying he was the second pick in the draft. Yeah. This is their fallback. Look how high he was in the draft. When it was, 2017? 16. 16. Yeah.

Come on. I know. I mean, so that's what they're doing. They're trying to wash the stink because it's such a bad stink. I can, I smelled it at a Waffle House this morning. I thought it was my eggs, but I think it was the stink of the Clarkson-Wens Trade. You know, they can smell it everywhere. They did in that presser, and we haven't talked about it, but you're right, you just brought it up.

There was a lot of, you know, they weren't even asked specifically about it. I'm reading the quote right now. We had several, he said all those guys have ability in talking about their quarterbacks this year. As I mentioned to you guys before, this was Mayhew. Quote, we did a lot of work on Carson. We knew a lot about him, the good, the bad, the ugly. We thought he was a good fit for how we wanted to play football, and we weren't able to play that style of ball.

We wanted to play the first couple of games, as you guys saw, but didn't have Brian Robinson, Jr. didn't have the run game going the way that we saw it, that the way that we wanted it. We were two to one pass to run, which is not our formula. I mean, the formula. But so he goes on and on, and, you know, Carson being this, look, I think that more than their communication,

which I think has always been clumsy with Ron, I think that the single biggest indication, football move-wise, that they're not very bright, was not recognizing the billboard-sized red flags on Carson Wentz. In 2022, if a quarterback's any good and has any opportunity to be a franchise quarterback, said quarterback does not get traded when it includes, excuse me, when it includes, excuse me, when it includes, the largest cap hit in NFL history. The Eagles took on, I've said this 50 times since the trade, the biggest cap hit at the time, dead cap number, in the history of the league.

Indianapolis, a year after sending a first rounder to Philadelphia said, no thank you. If you can't recognize those red flags, despite what your due diligence is telling you, By the way, from two coaches in Peterson, Peterson was gone, understood, okay? But Peterson had had it with him at the end, too, reading through all that stuff. Frank Reich, who was his guy, if you're not, if you don't back off instead of going headfirst and overpaying for him, you're kind of stupid. You know, it's like the Donovan McNabb thing.

I told you, there's only one time in the history of Red Zebra Broadcasting, I got called and I was a bit concerned about something that I said. Easter night 2010, the Donovan McNabb trade happens. ESPN News, I think, calls me. Can you get to our studio and do a hit with us? So I went to their studio, did a hit, and they said, what's your reaction? And I said, to be honest with you, I would think that it's a major red flag that Andy Reid wants to trade and is okay trading Donovan McNabb to a team in the division.

And I got a call late that night. What did you say? Where were you? What were you doing? It was Easter. And somebody in the organization won't mention who saw it and was pissed. But anyway, I got through that moment. I mean, that was that, by the way, that's the only time ever about anything we ever said.

And I never heard anything. Yeah. For anybody. For anybody. Never. And, I mean, Jake was called once after. a post-game show that Jake and I did were Jake... Let's face it.

Yeah. Let's face it. We'll do this someday, but they almost didn't know we existed. That's true. No doubt. After they purchased it, they didn't, unless they saw somebody from the station on TV panning the Donovan McNabb trade. Yeah, that

didn't work out well. I should have said it on radio the next day, and they would have never heard it. Never. But anyway, yeah, I mean, they did do some of that. You're right. I mean, there was a lot of Carson Wentz kind of explaining. By the way, at one point, I didn't mention this yesterday. Because somebody tweeted this to me. How did you not mention the fact that Ron Rivera talked about a big part of the stretch

where they were hurt by players being injured, including Brian Robinson, their two top backs being on injured reserve? Yeah, that's a joke. You're 100% right. Brian Robinson, Jr. wasn't on injured reserve. He didn't play in the last game. He might have been banged up, but they just decided not to play him. And Antonio Gibson got hurt in the 49er game and didn't, he didn't play against the Browns, right? But still, I mean, come on.

Enough about the injuries. Enough about the injuries. You know, you, I know you didn't watch the game. You had a good run of playing complimentary football. And having these coin flip games, which both of the giant games were. And then you got to the game that you had to have, and you had a defense that got shredded, and you started a quarterback who was even worse than the one that had been playing, and it turned the ball over five times in the previous three games,

or it fumbled five times in the previous three games and lost four of them. You just, you choked. You gagged down the stretch. Yeah. But Ron's going to be here. I don't, oh, here's the other thing people reminded me of. Why didn't you talk about Ron mentioning that he's going to have a meeting with the Snyders on Monday? I guess I just didn't think, I heard him say that.

It was at the very beginning of the press conference. You know, he said he had, he said very briefly, we had a chance to speak to ownership. I will meet with both on Monday. I didn't think that that was significant. Like, do you? Like, what's your first thought about him meeting with Dan and Tanya on Monday? Well, it's always newsworthy when the coach meets with these particular owners. I mean, I don't expect that they're going to fire Ron Rivera.

I don't expect that at all. I don't expect anything to come out of that meeting, anything newsworthy. You know, I'm sure that if Ron has a chance to talk. talk to reporters about it, or if they're reports about it, you know, they'll probably be mostly sympathetic. They'll probably be right along the party line. You know, I just don't see, again. They're not going to do anything.

They're not going to do anything. No, they're not going to do anything. Yeah. They're not going to do anything. This is why this is one of the reasons why I urge, and I know it's a long shot, to get this, get this deal done, sell this team, and have that new ownership approved, you know, as soon as possible so you can flush these idiots down the drain and try to get some smart people in there. But that's not going to happen probably.

No, he's here with the rest of his staff in 2023. Somebody did ask me yesterday, do you think Jack Del Rio could have an opportunity to move on to another place and then that they might let him go considering the ownership change in the process? Del Rio would get hired immediately if he were available for anybody needing a defensive coordinator, don't you think? As a defensive coordinator, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Never as a head coach again, no.

I just think that the Snyders are in that mode of maybe checked out. I mean, I think what's more significant, actually, than the meeting that Ron's going to have, which is pretty normal, and end of the season meeting with ownership is that Dan wasn't at either game. Either of the final two games. I think that there's the possibility, hopefully, that he finally is checked out, moved on. This is going to happen.

And, you know, I mean, for him, I can't imagine how it wouldn't be a relief at some point. But anyway, there is another subject I want to get to because there was a report from Ian Rappaport this morning about Derek Carr. Not a surprise, but we now know officially that Derek Carr is available. And I have a question to ask Tom and for myself that I'll answer as well when we come back right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show is brought to you by MyBooky. Go to MyBooky.orgie.

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The Tower Hunley not practicing yesterday. Yeah, and Anthony Brown might be the starter. Some of my Baltimore friends actually think Anthony Brown would be a better solution. I had a good friend of my Bobby Trossett who hosts Ravens Vault, which is an athletic podcast, and Bobby's a local and he's a great guy, does a great job. He was on radio with me this morning. He actually discussed the Lamar Jackson thing in a very interesting way. He said, I don't know of any.

sort of big-named contract situation where the player's not playing, that reporters, you know, the Rappaports, the Schefters, the local people here, nobody has any idea what's going on. It's true. Like literally, there is no clue as to what's going on with Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. And in the case of the Ravens, they don't tell. you anything either. Because the Ravens don't have leaks. Yeah. Well, but here's the other reason why. There's no agent. Well, there's no agent, too. Great,

great call. Yes. Yes. I mean, a lot of, a lot of information usually gets leaked by agents. There's no agent involved. It's represented by his mother. But the line in this game, exactly, and the mother doesn't say anything. And then you've got a Ravens organization that never talks. Yeah, they're buttoned down. Yeah. So the game is up to eight and a half. I actually like the Ravens. I think the Ravens are going to be in the smell test tomorrow. They are going to be an absolute must need for every sports book in America, including

MyBooky. Go to MyBooky.orgie. Use my promo code, Kevin D.C. Tommy, everybody's going to be on Cincinnati. I mean, they are lined up on Cincinnati right now. Even with the number going higher, it doesn't matter. They just, Baltimore has averaged without Lamar. Jackson, 13 points a game.

The over under on Baltimore's points on my bookie right now, 15 and a half points. And I bet you everybody's playing the under. They'll probably need the over on that. So look for the Ravens to score at least 16 on Sunday night. I'll have my smell test tomorrow. All right. So I wanted to, Ian Rappaport early on essentially said the Raiders now are open to fielding offers on Derek Carr. And Derek Carr just moments ago, via Instagram,

put out a notice to Raider Nation. He said, quote, Raider Nation, it breaks my heart. I didn't get an opportunity to say goodbye in person. We certainly have been on a roller coaster in our nine years together. From the bottom of my heart, I'm so grateful and appreciative of the years of support you gave to my family and me. We had our share of both heartbreaking moments and thrilling game-winning drives, and it always felt like you were there next to me. It's especially hard to say goodbye because I can honestly say that I gave you everything I had every single day, in season, off season. It certainly wasn't perfect, but I hope that I was able to leave you with more than a few great memories as Raider fans. Thank you to the city of Oakland.

Thank you to the city of Vegas. Thank you to the organization. My teammates, coaches, staff, everybody that helped these last nine years. Thanks to all of Raider Nation who supported and encouraged, et cetera, et cetera. I once said that if I'm not a Raider, I'd rather be at home, and I meant that. but I never envisioned it ending this way. That fire burning inside of me to win a championship still rages. A fire no man can extinguish only God.

So I look forward to a new city and a new team who, no matter the circumstance, will get everything I have. Winning a championship is what I've always wanted and what I will continue to work towards. God bless you all and with love, Derek Carr. Let me just point out to you, Derek, that I know something else besides God that can distinguish that flame. The Washington commanders?

Yes, yes. So, I mean, you know, a God should get some of the credit, but I know somebody else that can snuff that flame right out. Yeah. So everybody knows he's got a no trade clause, you know, just like Russell Wilson had a no trade clause. So he's got some control in this thing. You know, the Raiders are in a good position right now

after this season to deal him or even release. him because the dead cap money is like $5.6 million. He is going to be a cap hit with his future teams around $34 million next year and like $43 million in 2024, 2025. Now, I would expect that if a new team trades for him, they'll also restructure his deal potentially. This won't be a Carson Wentz situation. Here's my question, though, and I'll ask you first, and then I'll answer. answer it's second. Given how unsuccessful Washington has been in going the route of trying to acquire veteran quarterbacks in the last three, you know, last two years, Fitzpatrick and Wentz, the Alex Smith trade really didn't work out. And I know everybody will point to they were six and three,

whatever. Alex Smith was not playing at a high level. I don't think that the Alex Smith trade in 20, before the 2018 season was going to lead to any sort of significant playoff run with Alex Smith in Washington. Should you fear going down that veteran path again? Because Carr is available. Washington's got a pretty good roster. We've talked about that. Regardless of what we want to say about the coaching and I've got different, you know, differing views on Ron Rivera than you do.

not a massive fan, but I don't think he's as bad as everybody thinks he is. And clearly as a coach-centric head of the football operation, he's sitting here with a pretty decent roster, terrible at quarterback, but they've drafted. Part of a decent roster that he inherited. Some of it, yep, the best players on the team he inherited, but there are some really good young players that they drafted, that they brought in here.

And so, you know, this isn't going to be a Snyder-owned organization, anymore. So maybe a Derek Carr would waive a no trade clause for Washington. I don't know. But should, the question is, should they fear going down this path again? Okay, let's get into our

suspend rational belief mode. Yes, suspend reality. And let's assume that Derek Carr tells his agent, yeah, you know, maybe Washington will be different. I don't know who the new owner is going to be, but

They've got to be better than that guy. Right. So, sure. Go ahead and take a shot. I have no idea who I'm going to be playing for. But, yeah, let's consider what they can give me because they do have some good weapons there in Washington. Let's take the other side of the coin. Let's assume that the dopes who are in charge are still in charge.

Why would you want to invest in a quarterback? like Derek Carr, when you can get a Mitch Tribesky to do what you want that quarterback to do. I pointed that out yesterday. If they really were philosophically on the heavy run, they should have gotten Trubisky or Marcus Mariotta last year. Yes. Yes. If this is really what they're talking about, the last thing you want to do is invest in a power arm. You know, a guy who's going to throw the ball 30 times a game?

my God. I mean, so I'm not going to assume that they're just bullshit in their way through, even though they probably are. I'm going to take them at their word and say no. You don't want to do Derek Carr. Because once they trade for Derek Carr and he would come here, I'd be real interested here Martin Mayhew's philosophy of offense then. Yeah. Let me start with this. I've never been a huge Derek Carr fan. Kooley and I always disagreed in Derrick Carr. Now, in Cooley's defense, when he was out there at Fresno as a draft prospect,

he said, this guy's going to be an NFL starting quarterback for a long time. So it's not like he said he was going to be elite, but he called it. And, you know, he went in the second round. He thought that Derek Carr had what it took. And I'll tell you who's a big fan of Derek Carr, in part because his brother coached him,

is Jay Gruden. But I don't know. I've never been I've been surprised sometimes watching Derek Carr when he played really, really well and I've contemplated maybe, you know, being dead wrong and maybe he is a franchise quarterback. But, you know, in my world, people would always say, well, he's much better than Kirk. And I would say, I don't think he is personally. But he's been kind of a top half of the league floating around that 14 to 18 range for much of his career, which is much better

than anything Washington's had, obviously, since cousins left. I wouldn't go out. I wouldn't go after Derek Carr. Okay. I mean, he would be a major upgrade over what they've had, and they've got a pretty good team. And I think with Derek Carr, they could be, you know, a team that could win 10 games and be a playoff team. But I don't think you're going to go very far with Derek Carr, personally. With that said, I would never fear continuing to try to find the answer at quarterback,

even if it is a veteran. And even if the price is hefty. I mean, I would have traded for Stafford. Stafford worked out, obviously, for the Rams. I would have traded for Russell Wilson. That would have not worked out very well. I'm already on record as saying, if Aaron Rogers became available, I would move heaven and earth to get Aaron Rogers to D.C.

Imagine the excitement. Imagine him with McLorn and Dotson and some of those weapons here on offense with a really good defense to go with it. In recent years, there have been some flops veterans and there have been some hits. You know, Stafford, Brady. You know, Philip Rivers, the one year he had in Indianapolis, they won 11 games. They nearly won a playoff game at Buffalo. I would keep looking and turning over every stone on veterans, on young guys, until I find the answer.

There's nothing about swinging and missing on Carson Wentz and Ryan Fitzpatrick and Alex Smith that would have me fearing, you know. Well, you keep giving up assets. I understand that. But I can't win without this position. So, you know, I need that position. Now, if I'm not in love with the player, I'm not going to do it. But if I really like the player and he's a veteran player with a big contract and it's

going to cost me, you know, a first rounder. And I, you know, I don't know what Derek Carr, remember, he's got some leverage here. I don't know what Derek Carr will bring back, to be honest with you. I think it's a first, but I don't think it's more than a first. And it's certainly not an early first. You know, Washington's is 16th. Right. So.

I mean, look, the past, to me, the path of intelligence here would be, you give Sam Howell the shot, you draft a quarterback in the first round, and you bring in the veteran to compete as insurance, a low-level, low-cost veteran to compete as insurance. And you move forward for next year's roster that way. And if you hit on your number one draft pick, at some point during the season, he takes over. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

I'm not a big Derek Carr fan, so I'm not advocating that they trade for Derek Carr. I'm just saying that the idea that I know some of you believe in, which is enough with giving up picks and looking for veteran quarterbacks. Well, I need to find a quarterback. I don't care where he comes from. I need to find a quarterback because I haven't had one in several years that I can win with. All right, let's finish up the show. Yeah, go ahead. That said, Aaron Rogers, all bets are off. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I don't understand anybody that actually, if Aaron Rogers became available and you had a problem with this team pursuing Aaron Rogers, I can't help you. And I know you'd say, well, Shean, you said the same thing about Russell Wilson, and you said the same thing about Deshaun Watson and Matt Stafford. I didn't say to the level of Aaron Rogers. But, yeah, I would have been all in on Russell Wilson. I would have been all in on Matt Stafford. Before the Deshawn Watson stuff, I would have been all in on Deshawn Watson.

But Aaron Rogers, you're a Super Bowl contender next year with Aaron Rogers in a Washington uniform. With those? Yes. I agree. And maybe it would be short-lived in terms of the window because of his age. So what? I know that, but so what. I mean, beggars can't be choosers.

You can't wait in all. I mean, you know, if once every 23 years you have a moment like that, you grab it. Yeah, of course. I'd be on my knees begging. All right, let's finish up the show when we come back right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Tommy, by the way, got some feedback on his Malibu request the other day. He'll share that with us here shortly, but first tell them about Shelley's back room. Well, look, this time of year, January, February, I've found, personally, it's the time of

year where your wife looks at you with the kids driving her crazy in the house on the weekend and say, look, we live in D.C., let's go to a museum. Let's go to the National Gallery of Art, or let's go to the Natural History Museum, or something like that. And, you know, you're saying, but there's football on, honey? Okay, there's football on today, and she said, they're driving me crazy. Forget the games. you're coming with us, okay? Here's your plan B.

As you get into D.C., you explain to her that, well, you know what, what if I'm just a couple blocks away from you while you're going through the museum? And if you need me. Yeah, that'll work. If you need me, you just call me. You know where I'm going to be? I'm going to be at Shelley's back room. Right, yeah.

At 1331st Street, Northwest, just a short walk. from all the Smithsonian. You go to the East Wing at the National Gallery of Art. I'll be at Shelly's, and just tell me if there's something there that you think you want me to see, and then just take a picture of it, and then bring it back to Shelly's for me. Yes, and if you need me, I'll hustle down the street and join you. You know, this is the plan that accommodates both of us, dear. Okay, I'm going into D.C. with you.

I'm going to drive me in the D.C. I'm going to park the first. car. I'm going to buy, you know, everything like that. I'm just going to walk a couple blocks away, sit down in a beautiful, warm setting. Seriously, would that, would that work for you with Liz? No. So why are you...

No, it wouldn't. Well, that's because she doesn't want to go to the National Gallery of Art with you. She just wants the lift. No, this will work. Trust me. Trust me. This will work. So that's just your plan B when your family wants to go to a museum

down in D.C. Shelley's back room. It's a museum for men. Yes, it's a museum for men. God damn right it is. Can we custering these commercials? Yeah, I mean, it is a museum for men

that's perfectly put. 13th and F Street's northwest. That's not true. There's a lot of women. I know there are. I know there as well. But it's a museum for people who want to watch. watch football on Sunday, as most normal Americans do. Sure.

It's patriotic. What do you think about, what is your reaction to guys who have no clue that this weekend there's NFL playoff games going on? Well, I mean, I've learned to live with it because that's my, that's my in-law's family.

They have no clue. They have no clue. Listen, no. My family had a birthday party up in Philly for my father-in-law on a Super Bowl Sunday. Okay? So, yeah, I've learned to live with that. I didn't ask you what you've learned to live with. I asked you, what is your impression of a guy who this weekend has no idea that NFL playoff football is going on?

Well, first of all, I don't do impressions. Second of all. No, actually you don't. I do impressions of you that people actually really enjoy. But go ahead. And second of all, I don't judge them too harshly. You know, I mean, again, I have a big tent. I know you don't think I do.

I have a big tent until you put a hole in the tent. Then you're out, okay? And you're not getting back in. But other than that, I have a big tent. And I have no problem, you know, hanging out talking to people who may not share the same interest and devotion to the game of football as I do. So I don't necessarily have a huge big impression. What about if they didn't know the Super Bowl was going on? By the way, I'm with you on that.

I have a very, very dear friend for 30 years that has absolutely no clue. that football is going on this weekend. This is somebody who I worked with for years, who was very much sort of a mentor for me, and I love him dearly, and he just couldn't care less about sports. But I think if he told me that he didn't know the Super Bowl was going on,

I think that would be dishonest. And he would never say that. He would actually say to me, the Super Bowl's this Sunday, what are you guys doing? I mean, where are you going to watch it? I'll come over and watch it with you. Because that's more of kind of a pop culture thing.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's generally the game. But again, like I said, they had a party on Super Bowl Sunday. And it was the day the Ravens were in the Super Bowl. Oh, boy. You know, that is too. And I'll never forget it because we left the party early, and my kids will never forget it. We stopped in a dive bar in Delaware. And watch the game. I mean, where there were three people there and me and my family to watch the Super Bowl.

But that's a great memory, I bet they have. have of it. My kids never forgot that. Of course they didn't. So you were looking for Malibu hotels. Did you take my recommendation and try to go through Georgetown in Pepperdine? No, I didn't. That's too much work. I don't have that much time. Well, that would have been my, that would have been Plan B. What was Plan A? How did Plan A work out for you? Well, I got responses from several people. All of them were very helpful. Michael Goldstein sent me an email with a recommendation. What was his recommendation?

His recommendation, and actually was the same recommendation as Richard. Richard Costalano sent me the same recommendation. They both recommended the Malibu Country Inn. Got it. So I'm going to consider that and look into it. One of our devoted listeners, Matt Hardman, actually suggested that, you know, maybe I could use his place, you know, out there. But I think I'm going to, I think I'm going to consider the Malibu country in. I haven't made a commitment yet, but I got some good response from people.

I'm looking at the website here. And, yeah, I mean, it's just, I don't know. we haven't had a very harsh winter here. You're down in Florida right now. You're enjoying the great weather. And I don't have that, you know, massive desire that I get this time of year where it's like, oh, my God, get me the hell out of here. I want to go somewhere warm and play golf and enjoy water and sun.

But when you look online and you look at some of these pictures of hotels and that are especially ones that are right near the beach, man, I could do that. We have not, we've had an easy winter here. I mean, Tommy, it's like 50-something degrees again here today. It's raining. The week before I left was when we had the frigid week. Well, yeah, Christmas, Christmas week and weekend was unusually cold. That's true.

Yes. We were still up there then. All right. Do you have, you said you had something else? Well, two other things. You know, last year, I had a bunch of, little, I don't know, one inch by two inch, sticky photos made of me, okay, to carry around with me to spread the legacy of Laverro in various places, public places.

What are you talking about? I had made a bunch of one by two inch sticky photos of me. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. And my plan was to leave them at various locations. Like when we were in Nashville, I left one on a rooftop bar. I just stuck it on this part of the wall.

Why? Well, to spread the legacy of Levera. But does it say your name on it? No. Doesn't say my name. Just picture me. Then you're not really spreading the legacy of Levero because nobody knows who they're looking at. Well, the curiosity, you know, winds up taking over, and people try to find out.

Oh, they try to search that, they try to match that picture with a name on Google? Yeah, but let me get to the best part. Do they get to the podcast that way? I don't know. Because if that, that would be like a guerrilla marketing technique, what I would do, though, is I would just write the Kevin Cheyenshow.com on that one-by-two. Let's see if we can generate more listeners. That would take some of the fun out of it. There's this bar where we went last year called Brickabrack.

They had a great band, Friday Night Dancing. We used to like to go, and we had a great waitress. And she carries around one of these, like, tablets with her bills in there, to, you know, to write out the bills. And it's a hard, like, tablet. Right. Right. And she was a great waitress. And so I gave her one of the sticky photos to put on the back of her tablet.

Oh, my God. Okay? This was last year. I think I remember this. So we go to Brick-O-Brak this past Friday night, and who's there? The same waitress. Did she have it on the back? No, she didn't.

She still has the photo on the back. Come on. That's no way. I posted a picture of it. She saw you walk in and she's had it. in like her locker and she pulled it out because she wanted you to believe that she's had it on there the whole year. Nope. It was stuck on there, baby.

It was there. It was worn. You got, that thing is really sticky. It was worn. That's pretty funny. So she kept it on there for a year. So what happened when she, so I thought that was. So did she know, did she recognize you right off, off the bat when she saw you walk in?

Yes. Well, we had her, we sat at her table. I didn't know we were, but when she came over, she recognized who I was. And did she immediately turn over her thing to show you? Yes. Yes. And I posted a picture of it. That's great.

Okay? Now, one last thing. What? I sent you a message last night. I get no response. What message did you send me? It was a video. I sent you a video.

Yep. It's at all. I see it right now. First karaoke song at Kenny. D's in Miramar Beach, rednecks, white socks, blue ribbon beer. So this is you singing. So what do you want me to do? Want me to put it on the podcast? Well, I mean, you could if you want, but look, I just don't know how you get that and not even respond. Because I didn't see it. It's terrible. That's it. That's it, buddy. Oh, my God. And what kind of, what kind of reaction did you get?

Go, go, go, go. Very good one. A good one, of course. Massive applause. Yeah. Massive applause. Do you think you have a good voice? No, I don't think I have a bad voice, but I don't have a good voice. Okay. I know people who have bad voices, okay? I just think I have a voice. I got to give you credit. I don't think I would, I've never done karaoke.

Never. Swear to God. I've been at a point. Well, it's a lot. I tell you what, this scene, the scene, it's at Kenny D's a bar right next door to us. Uh-huh. And every Wednesday, it's a bar. It's outdoors.

You know, we're sitting out there watching the sunset while we're doing, you know, karaoke. And everyone's having a great time drinking and singing. It's a blast. That's great. I give you a lot of credit. I mean, I don't think I would do it. I mean, I, first of all, I'm not a good singer. But I will tell you that my father is an excellent singer.

My father, and he listens to the podcast, my father not only was a really good singer, or my father, I have three boys and two of them are really good musicians. It definitely comes from my father. Now, I did not grow up playing instruments. I wish I had. Like, I wish my father had said, you know, or my mother and father had said, you're getting piano lessons or you're going to learn how to play the guitar.

Because you know I love music. And by the way, rest in peace, Jeff Beck. but I never did. I mean, I was into sports. I was always playing sports. I didn't have an interest in that. And my father was definitely a father that didn't push anything. Like he wanted me to love what I was doing, not, you know, feel like that what I was doing was pleasing him, you know.

But my, but two of my three boys are very musical. You know, my middle son is a musician. I mean, he is part of, you know, a duet with his girlfriend. She's a singer. He's not a great singer. I shouldn't say that. He's a good singer. But he can play every single instrument.

My youngest son plays guitar really well. But that's, I wish I had learned how to play an instrument. I cannot sing to save my life. I'm a terrible singer. But my father was actually a great singer. I wish I could. have played an instrument. I'm the same way. Where Liz, my wife, is a piano player. Our son, Kara plays a piano too, and I wish I had that discipline at an older age to even do it, but too much work.

And I do love music. I do wish I played. Yeah, there are two things I wish I had learned, like I took French for five years and I can speak a little French, um puh, very little. And when I've gone to France, I can get, I can understand it,

but I can't speak it. I wish I could speak at least one other language and I wish I played one instrument. And by the way, I think I'd want to play piano. Although guitar would be fun, but I think I'd want to be able to play piano. I actually,

I actually like a year ago, It was during, I took a few days off, but I didn't go anywhere, and I did one of those apps on sort of piano 101. And for two straight days, I started the process of basically trying to learn piano online, and then I gave up. It takes a lot of work to be able to do that. Yes, it does. And I think there's a huge benefit to being young when you are taught that stuff. I would agree Anyway

Okay well That's all I got for you You're brave And you looked good up there And you know what You sounded fine I don't think there was any other sports Caps lost Wizards 1

Kyle Kuzma hit a big three I don't know what to make of the Wizards guys Those of you that have asked me I mean one night I watch them And I'm convinced that if they're healthy They're actually not a bad team at all And their team that'll probably be playing A Best to 7 at some point

and then there are other nights I watch them, and I'm like, they are terrible. Kyle Kuzma, though, is a good player. He's a really good player. But they didn't have poor Zingas. They didn't have Beal last night. They haven't had Beal for a while. And they beat the Bulls, so what? You know what's interesting?

Can I just mention this real quickly? Because I know you don't care, but some of the listeners of very few listeners care. The Maryland people care. So Maryland beat Ohio State on Sunday. We didn't really talk about that at all because, you know, it was the follow-up Monday show to the win over the Cowboys. Maryland beat Ohio State on Sunday at Xfinity Center, which was a good win. Ohio State was ranked. The Big Ten this year, it's two things.

Number one, the Big Ten this year is insane. Like right now, Rutgers, Penn State, Northwestern are having big years. And Indiana, who was the highest ranked Big Ten team, you know, top tenish at the beginning. of the year is right now at the bottom of the Big Ten. They've lost three straight games to Iowa, Northwestern, and they got blown out last night at Penn State. So I don't know what's going on with Indiana. But I wanted to admit something for maybe the first time. I have finally settled in as a Big Ten person. Formerly, you know, ACC my whole life. ACC basketball was everything. I don't pay attention to anything in the ACC anymore. For the first few years,

Naki and I used to talk about this. First few years in Maryland and the Big Ten, we'd still be watching all the ACC games and couldn't have cared less about the other Big Ten games. Now, the only college basketball, this time a year I watch, Big Ten. And I finally settled into kind of

recognizing that the Big Ten is a hell of a league. Maryland's fortunate to be in it. And by the way, as a basketball league, which is what I care about most. I mean, I'm thrilled with the job Loxley's doing. And eventually, when they go away from these divisions, when UCLA and USC come into the league, which will be really weird,

maybe Maryland will have a better chance. But in basketball, top to bottom, for the last few years, it's been so much fun to watch. And, you know, the ACC, part of this, too, is that the ACC isn't the ACC anymore. You know, you turn on an ACC... You know what? There's no Coach K. There's no Coach K.

There's no Roy Williams. But, yeah, but that's part of it. But more of it has to do with you turn it on and it's like, hey, it's a big ACC game tonight between Pitt and Louisville. You know, I just can't do that. The Big Ten, Maryland and Rutgers are the only recent, true recent additions. And I do think the Big Ten is thrilled to have Maryland in the league in particular as a basketball member. I do, and I've talked to Big Ten fans from other schools and they love having Maryland in the league as a basketball school. And I'll tell you what, Rutgers as a basketball school in the Big Ten has really started to produce some good teams with an excellent coach in Pichael.

I mean, they are sitting there tied for second, I think, in the Big Ten right now. They've got a hell of a team, and they've had some really good teams here the last couple of years. So it's a fun league. Maryland's at Iowa on Sunday in a game to try to get them back to 500 in league play. Iowa at least plays fast. They're one of the few teams in the league that prefer to play fast rather than kind of grind it out like they saw against Rutgers. But we'll see what happens. Anyway, first time I think I've admitted that I've settled in as a Big Ten guy and I really, really am invested, especially in Big Ten basketball.

I think it's fun. I've gotten to know the fan bases a little bit. I've certainly gotten to know the referees, the coaches. the traditions, a lot of really tough venues in the Big Ten to play in. So there you go. You got anything else for me today, boss?

I got nothing else, boss. All right. Back tomorrow with Cooley to preview the NFL Wild Card weekend games.