The Kevin Sheehan Show - Washington-Cincinnati Pre-Game Show

Episode Date: September 23, 2024

Kevin with his Commanders-Bengals Pre-Game show. He opened with his keys to a win over the Bengals along with a prediction. ESPN's John Keim jumped on from Cincinnati to discuss the game as well. Kevin finished up with his "Top 5 Most Memorable Washington Monday Night Wins'. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Chean Show. Here's Kevin. Will Washington get their third straight win on Monday night football tonight in Cincinnati? Maybe my preview, my prediction, coming up in moments. The show's presenting sponsor is Windon Nation. Call them at 86690 Nation.

We're head to Windonation. if you need new windows. John Kime from Cincinnati next segment. I'm going to finish the show with my top five most memorable Washington wins on Monday night football. Not necessarily the easiest list to put together, although I think number one was kind of easy. Yeah, Washington's won two straight on Monday night. Actually, three straight if you count the COVID win, over the Steelers in 2020. Now, that was technically not Monday night football. I think that game was a CBS or a Fox game. It started at 5 p.m. on that Monday. But they won back in 2021 at home over Seattle 17 to 15. And then in 2022, they went to Philadelphia and beat the Eagles at the link. The Eagles

were undefeated that night. And Washington pulled off that 32 to 21 win. This is the the first time they've ever played the Bengals on Monday Night Football. And by the way, a third straight Monday Night Football win would be the longest streak since the 1970s. They won five in a row from 1974 through 1976 on Monday Night Football. By the way, the matchup with the Bengals, I talked about this a little bit on radio. For whatever reason, I don't know, I don't know what made me think of this. But I was thinking about the teams that Washington's played the fewest number of teams that have been in the league, you know, since the merger in 1970, when we went to an

AFC and an NFC, and the AFL and the NFL merged. So not counting the expansion teams, you know, and it's going to be an AFC team, or they're going to be AFC teams that they haven't played the most. So you take out Jacksonville, you take out, you know, sort of the Ravens who came in, even though they were moved from Cleveland. And I was thinking that my guess was that they've played the Bengals and the Chargers the least amount of times of any NFL team that's been in the league since the merger in 1970. So I went and looked it up. In fact, they've only played the Bengals 11 times,

but they've also only played the Chiefs 11 times. They've actually played the Chargers 12 times. So I was close on that. 5-5-and-one head-to-head with Cincinnati. Tonight we get a matchup between two teams where one of them is perceived to be the much better team, but they're 0-and-2. And then Washington is not supposed to be much of anything sitting there at one-and-one. But let's just start real quickly before I get to my keys and a prediction. I mean, the NFL is nuts, seriously.

I mean, I know that I preach and I speak to this ad nauseum. for some of you about how week to week and how fleeting anything you saw in the NFL most recently typically is. Yesterday, just another example. The Giants, the Broncos, the Panthers, all on the road as own two teams. They went out right. I had all three of them in the smell test. By the way, Jacksonville and Washington tonight in the smell test. Underdogs of five and a half points or more so far through three weeks of the season, 13 and 2 against the number with nine outright wins. That's crazy. Washington's a seven and a half point underdog.

Biggest dog of the week, I gave it out on Friday plus eight. That's beside the point. The first two weeks of the season saw New England as the biggest underdog at Cincinnati win outright. And then last week, the Raiders as the biggest underdog of the week. win at Baltimore. The league just never makes much sense. It is so unpredictable. Look at just yesterday, and we're not going to spend much time today on the NFL results from yesterday, even though it was a wild day. But look at the Saints and the Eagles. I mean, the Saints had scored 47 and 44 against the Panthers, I understand, and the Cowboys. And by the way, a lot of those points came in the first half of those

games. They had three at halftime against the Eagles, finished with 12 and lost by three, 15 to 12. The three undefeated teams in the NFC, or the two undefeated teams in the NFC that are 3 and O, Minnesota and Seattle. Who had that? And I talked about this this morning, but how about some of the biggest quarterback performances of the day yesterday? This is why we just, we can have these conversations, we can be really loud and really opinionated and really sure, just as long as in the back of your mind, you realize there's a really good chance that next week or next month or maybe next year or the year after, you're probably going to look wrong at some point. Like yesterday's best quarterback performances, or at least

five of the best six or seven, Sam Darnold, Andy, Andy, Dalton, Daniel Jones, Bo Nix, and Malik Willis. Malik Willis had a 92.9 QBR day for the Packers and their win over his former team, the Titans, 30 to 14. You know, Matt LaFleur is a hell of a coach. He was 13 of 19 for 202 yards in a touchdown, rushed for 73 yards in a touchdown. It looked like they were running some zone read. It also looked like there was some single. wing in there with the way he looks at quarterback. I mean, the NFL is great. It's such a great reality show. It's so unpredictable. None of us have a damn clue what will happen tonight in either one of these games. I think the chiefs look like they're really good. Like that may be

one thing we can all say with some level of confidence. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are going to be as long as he remains healthy. They're going to be a contender once again, although my God, the last two weeks, right? First of all, they went on the last play against Baltimore. They went on the last play last week. They get a really good call. I thought it was a legit call, pass interference that got him into field goal range against the Bengals. And then last night, are you kidding me? Kyle Pitts is tackling. in the end zone on third and goal, and they don't call it? Like, that's about as egregious a miss as you will see. Falcons should have had first and goal at the one with a chance to punch it in

and take the lead with about two minutes to go, two and a half minutes to go. And instead, they had two opportunities down deep red zone and couldn't get it done. 22 to 17. I'll just say real quickly, I think Atlanta is one of those teams. and I think there are five, six, seven of those teams minimum every year. And this is one of the things that, you know, we've talked about in past years, about the NFL in the early portion of the season. You don't have to be good now.

You just have to get a couple of wins here and there so that if you actually become good at the end of the year, the games you play mean something. I think Atlantis probably one of those teams. There's probably examples throughout the league. I mean, just look at the standings and look at the, you know, the O and 2 team tonight. Cincinnati, probably one of those teams that needs to harvest a few nuts here early in the season until they get more consistent, you know, because you can't lose to New England in the opener

and think that you've got it all figured out because you don't. You know, there's probably another team playing tonight in Jacksonville that if they could figure out a way to win a couple of them. They could figure out how to get better because I think they've got enough talent. There are lots of teams like that. And I'm wondering if Washington could be one of those teams. I don't want to hear about block building. I just don't want to hear about this is, you know, going to take a couple of years. I am totally fine if we get to the end of this season. and they're 7 and 10, and Jaden Daniels was the right quarterback. Dan Quinn and his staff look really sharp. Adam Peters added some really good young talent. Let's get better in this next offseason,

and let's have at it in 2025. But right now, the season's underway, the Broncos beat undefeated Tampa, the Giants go on the road and beat Cleveland. The Panthers with Andy Dalton smoke the Raiders. I mean, there's just every game is its own little entity. They're all so different from the others until there's some semblance of kind of consistency. And you don't even hit that until the midway mark of the season, maybe at the earliest. Like Tommy and I talked about last week, all this building block talk quiets down with a win tonight. And I may be completely nuts, but I totally see a way for them to win this game to get to 2 and 1 and head to Arizona. I do.

They lost to the Patriots at home two weeks ago. They're good perception-wise. They get T. Higgins back tonight. Is he going to be super sharp tonight? They're banged up along their defensive front. Kind of fits what Washington may want to do tonight to keep the game close. I guess the bottom line is I don't have any issue

with those of you that are convinced that this is nothing more than a building block season, but I don't know how you'd handle that on a night light tonight. Jaden Daniels is stepping out under the field for his third game as a pro. There's legitimate hope

for the first time in a long time with a different owner and a quarterback that's got real potential. Not Taylor Heineke, not Sam Howell. come on like a real quarterback that has some potential. I don't know how you sit here and think. Hope they just improve. Hope they just play better than last week.

You know, if they'd lose a close game, would that be great? No, it would suck. All right, let me get to my keys to a win tonight over Cincinnati. Don't forget to rate us and review us, especially on Apple and Spotify. and follow us. That's really big for us on Apple and Spotify as well. All right, here we go. I've got several keys to pulling off a win because I see all of these things as a possibility tonight. I really do think this is going to be a game that they can win. And at the same time, I know there's a chance. I'm going to come in here tomorrow and look so silly because Joe Burrow threw for 328,

160 of those yards to Jamar Chase for three touchdowns and they lost 38 to 10. I know that's in play also. Cincinnati's desperate. They're 0 and 2. They really need this one. Owen 3 teams, only four of them since 1990 have made the postseason. Now, no 17 game schedule for most of it. The playoffs expanded a few years ago to 14 overall 7 in each conference. So those numbers for O&3 teams may change a little bit, but still, it's not for a Bengals team that had high, high aspirations. O'N3 would look ugly.

But it is possible. It's the NFL. Here's how Washington wins tonight. Number one, Washington beats the Cincinnati Bengals tonight if they stay on the field on offense. This to me is crucial to a win. I don't see them winning in a game in which Cincinnati, You know, has 11 possessions, 12 possessions in the game. Washington's got to limit the possession count in this game.

They've got to make their defense or their offense, excuse me, be their best defense. Last week, they did it that way. They had 18 more offensive snaps in the game than the Giants did. They didn't punt. They didn't turn the ball over. They were 7 of 14 on third down. They kept the chains moving. Yes, they ended up kicking seven field goals, no touchdowns, but it was keeping their defense off the field as much as possible.

And that's so much more important tonight, where Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, Mike Gisicki, etc, are so capable of lighting up the scoreboard. But they have to be on the field to do it. Tonight, it's 15 plus more offensive snaps than Cincinnati. eight plus more minutes in time of possession, something like 34 to 26. And obviously, when you get close to the end zone and you run out of room to eat more clock, you got to score touchdowns. I'll get to that in more detail here in a moment. But I think the way to do that tonight, to possess the ball, to dominate time of possession,

to keep Cincinnati's best players on their sideline, is to run it at an, area where Cincinnati is banged up and vulnerable right now. Sheldon Rankins is out. BJ Hill is doubtful. They're two starting defensive tackles. You know, they may decide after what Washington did last week, load up the box, Washington with over 200 yards rushing. And then I think the element of the quarterback run helps. I think the RPO game helps. I think he can check to quick throws to wide receivers. I think they can run a lot of bubble screens. I think they can max protect and take a couple of shots

if that box is loaded up to stop the run. But look at what New England and then look what the Chiefs did against the Bengals running the football. New England ran for 170 yards. Ramondri Stevenson, a buck 20 on 25 carries. 4.8 yards per carry. Last week before getting hurt, Isaiah Pacheco, 19 for 90, 4.7 yards per carry.

Neither the Pats nor the Chiefs, even with Mahomes, have the kind of dual threat quarterback Washington does with Daniels. This could be another big game rushing the football. Washington's strength last week matches up with where I think Cincinnati is a bit vulnerable tonight. Run the football. Look, if they come after you with run blitzes, with loading the box, quick screens, slants, hitches, take a deep shot with some max protect. I like Washington's opportunity tonight to possess the ball, to keep Joe Burrow and company on the sideline by running the football. Number two, you got to be better in the red zone. O for six, isn't going to cut it tonight.

You got to score touchdowns. You know, in watching NFL football for a long time, but watching intently over the first, you know, two weeks, three weeks of the season now, I think you really got to take your shots when you get just outside the red zone and then into kind of that high red zone, you know, from that 15 to 20 yard line with the field still, most of the field accessible. Condensed fields, man, without true superstar, you know, skill position players, it gets tough unless you can really power your way in or creative your way in. I'd like to see them when they get to the 22, 21, take a couple of shots from there. When they get to the 15, if it's first and 10 at the 17, take shots there into the end zone,

or certainly down inside the five-yard line. But I don't think all field goals gets it done tonight. But let me just say, if they don't punt and they end up with 430 yards of offense, and they have seven possessions and they score on seven of those possessions, and they don't turn the ball over, it's going to be a competitive game. They're not going to lose big. I guess they could against that team

if they were super explosive. But if you only get seven opportunities, they're only getting seven, eight max. And they're going to have to be really sharp on all of them. So another game, like last week, where you are just converting and staying on the field. But then you get a couple of them.

punched in in the end zone, that would be nice. Number three, stop the run. I just, I've always been, and it's not that hard to be this. This is like stating the obvious like Tom Brady did throughout the broadcast yesterday. That was my first experience with Brady. I missed week one, missed week two with him, not, you know, blown away by personality or analysis. But it's Tom Brady. He's the all-time badass winner and competitor. He'll probably work at it in two years. We'll probably think he's great. But he was Mr. Clicay, Mr. Obvious in the Dallas-Baldmore game yesterday. Stop the run. It's so obvious, but it's really hard if you have to play run and pass throughout a game to win. If your defense can't stop the run, it's a problem. Now, like with the offense against Cincinnati's

vulnerability defensively, which I love that, Cincinnati hasn't run the ball the first two weeks. Doesn't mean they're not going to try tonight, but they didn't run the football like Bucky Irving and Devin Singletary did for Tampa and the Giants. Because really, Washington's been run on since the beginning of the second half of the opener against the Bucks. I mean, Singletary kind of had his way. Then Daniel Jones off of that play action and even keeping the ball had his way. Zach Moss Chase Brown in the backfield for them no longer is at Joe Mixon. I think Moss and Brown, Brown in particular, I really like his back. But you've got to stop the run and whomever they bring down into the box, if they have to bring somebody down,

chin, somebody else, you've got to play with better gap responsibilities. I can't tell you specifically what they were doing wrong, but I would bet you it has to do with gap integrity, filling the right holes when you step down as that extra player in the box, because they been gashed by seemingly jumping to the wrong gap. Number four, third downs are huge tonight. You know, one of the traditional statistics that really does hold up turnover margin, third down percentages. Washington's dead last in the league through two weeks on third down defensively. Why? Because they have no pass rush and they can't cover. That's a problem. And tonight, Joe Burrow and their group, they can shred you on third.

third down without a pass rush in particular. Offensively, same thing. One of the keys to staying on the field is to convert third downs. They've got to have a plan for number 91, Trey Hendrickson. He's legit. But third downs, you've got to stay on the field and you've got to get off the field a few times on third down. Clese, but the next key to beating the Cincinnati Bengals tonight is to be plus in the

turnover margin. The Patriots were plus two, got out of there barely with a 16 to 10 win. They recovered a fumble on a punt and kicked a field goal after that. And they also got a break when a seemingly a perfect pass for what would have been a touchdown was fumbled right before the goal line. So that was seven points taken off the board. So they were plus 10 points, plus two in the turnover margin, and they won by six. I think plus two really is big.

You know, the punch out last week from St. Juice was massive in the game. And then lastly, you're going to need a play tonight or two, big time from Jaden Daniels. We've gotten them, you know, in the first two games. You're going to need definitely one, two, three memorable big plays. Might be a big run. It might be this week. If he takes another step forward, it is extending the play and keeping eyes down the field. That was, I think, and we'll talk to Kime about this,

I think that's the big takeaway from the first two weeks for Kingsbury and the staff there in terms of what they are coaching him on, and that is, okay, you're okay getting out of the pocket under pressure here. Sometimes he could hang in the pocket a little bit longer, but once you start to approach that line of scrimmage, look downfield. We had Luke McCaffrey wide open on the play that you took a big shot on last week, even though you got the first down. I think the quarterback is an X-factor in every game for us this year.

And I think his running ability, his playmaking ability, hopefully with his arm off schedule, two big plays, massive plays, could really keep them in it, if not win it for them. My prediction tonight, really good game, a high-scoring game, even though it won't be high possession. but Cincinnati wins it on a walk-off field goal 30 to 27.

But I think that there's a chance. I do. Again, also not discounting the possibility that tomorrow I come in here after a 38 to 10 loss and say, well, of course, Joe Burrow threw to T. Higgins and to Jamar Chase all night long. We don't have anybody that can cover them. But if they're not out on the field enough, you know, and remember, game context, score, time. You know, if Washington can score, keep the game tight, if they can get a lead, and all of a sudden those drives for Cincinnati become important. And maybe Washington can get off the field on one of those nights where, you know, there's a holding penalty that wasn't really a holding penalty, that instead of a 30-yard gain down field, now instead it's second and 20, right?

You need a couple of those when your team like Washington teetering a little bit defensively, at least after last week. Who knows? This week maybe they'll be completely different. Bow Nix was for Denver. Things, just the quarterbacks alone that have come out of the woodwork to play big time football this year. And certainly the difference between like a Bo Nix last week and this week so speaks to the wild unpredictability of the NFL. 30 to 27 Cincinnati over Washington tonight.

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is my friend John Kine from ESPN. He is in Cincinnati for tonight's Monday night football game between Washington and the Bengals. Let me cut to the chase, and we'll go backwards here in a moment, but do you think they've got a shot tonight? Yeah, I don't, you look around the league in the first two weeks. Did anybody think Denver's going to go into Cape Bay and do what they did? So I don't, so yes, I think in this league you always have a shot. And I think you can, I mean, we've both played sports long enough to know, like, you can always find a path to winning, right? And I think in this game, yeah, I think there's a path. I think the Bengals are a strong favorite, but I think there's a path for sure.

So what's the path? So, first of all, you have to be better in the red zone, right? Take care of the ball, but the cliches. I think you can run the ball and control the clock, but if you do it, you do it. do that, you can only win by converting in the red zone. You know, six field goals in the red zone is not going to cut it this week. But I think the biggest problem that I have, the biggest obstacle to the path, and I do think they can, I do think they can have some success moving the ball against this,

against the Bengals. And, you know, you look at their defensive line that banged up outside of Trey Hendrickson. He's phenomenal. But I think, you know, you watch, I think you can spread a little bit, create some light boxes against them and be able to control the ball. But you've got to hit some explosive plays. Otherwise, it's not going to matter. But the hard part, the biggest obstacle is stopping this offense and stopping this

past game in particular. That's where you kind of say, yeah, there's a path to victory. And then you say, well, yeah, but how are they going to do this? And this is the hard part. So you have, you know, T. Higgins coming back. Teams have been doubling Jamar Chase. A lot of attention paid to him. Mike Gaseki, their tight end is hurt teams because of it.

Now you throw another guy in there. And so they play Gaseki very well off of Jemar Chase and stacks and whatever route combinations. Now you throw Higgins on top of that. And can this secondary hold up against that group without getting, you know, if you don't get consistent pressure, I think that's the tough task. Do you expect everybody but Forbes and Farrell to be ready to go tonight? I mean, Newton, Coleman, Martin, St. Juice. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So tell me what you're hearing about the constructive behind the doors critiques of Jaden Daniels by Cliff Kingsbury and Company. We know that they're thrilled with the first two games and going back through the whole offseason. But what are they really emphasizing from a teaching standpoint? I think keeping your eyes up field, and that's a huge one. You know, when you start to scrabble, keep your eyes up. Because in the first two games, they run a couple times where as he,

and I think this is a growth thing for him, but what they're emphasizing is keep your eyes up because there are plays to be made if you do so. And I just, I think some of that, we saw that, you know, I think sometimes with running, you know, the quarterback who can run, you see the yard, you got to go get it, right? And I think that's what he's been trying to do. But keeping the eyes up, you know, against Tampa,

there were a couple plays where you keep your eyes up, this is the big play last week. I think there was one, I think it would have been to Luke McCaffrey that could have been a touchdown, 70-yard touchdown. So those are the plays where, I mean, they are, you know, and I say that, and I'll emphasize, they're thrilled with what they've seen from him. The next evolution of it is keeping the eyes up.

field as you start to scramble, keep the ball alive. And I think that's the next step, and that's a definite part of the conversation. And they said it publicly, but that's also what you hear too. How thrilled are they with their two running backs? Oh, I think ecstatic. I mean, you know, I think it's last week, especially they gave them exactly what they wanted. And it's funny because going into camp, it kept saying like,

go to the competition between these two, there wasn't any because they have different roles. And I think we're seeing it play out. Like Echler is a really good pass catcher still. And what you saw last week is a guy who can still make guys miss. And so I think, you know, they're happy with what he's in there. But Robinson,

it's funny because, you know, we've seen the running aspect of it. but they've been surprised at how well he's caught the ball. And I kind of laugh. I chuckle a little bit at that because that's what we've heard for a couple of years. You know, when he first came here, the previous step, they were surprised at how he caught it. So when they're surprised, like, well, we already kind of seen that, right?

We already knew that was part of the game. But now, you know, I guess from an opposing standpoint, you just didn't see it enough in a game. but I think I would say they're pretty thrilled. And I know it's funny because I even ask English Quinn about this about Robinson. One of the things she talked about was his competitiveness. So he talked about elite competitors. What does that mean?

So he pointed to basically his journey and what he went through at Alabama and stayed there behind the guys he did until he got his chance. And then what he did with it. I think that kind of stuff stood out to them. But that's kind of how he runs too, right? he runs kind of angry and with a lot of urgency. So I think they're really pretty happy with that. What kind of job has the offensive line done in the first two weeks?

I think in the run game, it's been pretty good. I think in the past game, certainly against Tampa, they got fooled by some overloads and some looks. Sometimes it was Ben Coleman, who's a rookie, right? And, you know, you're going to be its first action. So there were some issues there. I think Wiley in the run game last week was pretty good. The past protection, he gets beat to the inside.

And that happens consistently, and it did so last year. So I'd say it's kind of mixed. Yeah, I'd say kind of mixed. But the run game is, you have to always include it. I know everybody's going to see pressures and all that. But the run game last week was pretty good. And some of it was by alignment. I think some of it was by personnel and how you can,

full teams a little bit, and then some of it was definitely by the blocking. Terry McClurens... I'm sorry, the past protection has to be way more consistent. We all know that. Yep. Terry McLaren's lack of production from a yardage standpoint is because of what? I think so last week I'd say a lot of it was due to attention paid to him and a lot of bracketing and all that.

And so I think that was a factor. And then, you know, they tried to get in the ball and some quick throws to get him some yards, and it just didn't get enough. So I think some of that last week was that. And then you look at, in situations like that, and it's funny because I know, you know, there's become these, you know, just step back and throwing the ball down the field. Well, it's not that simple.

And I will give Jayden Daniels credit for not forcing the ball to them in situations where it doesn't call for it, right? Like, he's not sitting there. Oh, my God, I've got to get Terry the ball. It's like, okay, it's not there. I've got to go over here. And I kind of, and I like that. And last week, they had, they had 4025 yards of offense.

They moved the ball. It was the red zone. You know, it wasn't because they, you know, that was the issue. The week, the first game, it was partly, I mean, Daniels missed him on a couple. That's what it was. So the first one was the deep one. Now, first of all, I think he didn't get enough targets early, period.

You know, in that game, and I think we know that he has to get some targets early. I think it's important to get him involved early when they do. The offense typically is better. He's the heartbeat of that. Or he can't be the heartbeat of the offense. It helps. But in that game, like, you know, missed him down the field on the – it would have been a 70-yard touchdown if you connect.

And sometimes you miss on those, right? Then there was the slot fade where on that one, I think, as Daniels grows, and I think this could happen quick, that you see a – a back shoulder fade on that throw instead, because that's the throw that was available. You know, the defensive back had the step on him. You know, I say that could be a quick one because we saw it this summer. He throws that ball, and he throws it nicely.

So I think they'll get there. That was just a maybe just kind of a little bit of a misread of the DB. And then there was another one, too, where again, growth. And I point these out because it's more about growth. I think Daniels has done a really good job in many areas. and then you sometimes say, okay, as he grows as a quarterback, he'll probably hit this play. And there was another one down the seam against Tampa where the pre-snap look told them one thing. And it was playing, you know, and it was kind of like, here's what Tampa does.

And after the snap, the safety typically does this. So he went away from that, but after the snap, the safety did something else, which left McCorn down the seam. But if you stick it in there, it's a really big. big play. But that's a, okay, inexperience, right? You know, now you know that sometimes you've got to stay with that post-nap look just a little bit longer to get it. That's the growth process for him. And I think that's where they get excited because he's doing X, Y, and D very well. And then, like, there's more, I mean, you know, you hit some of those and it's like, look at how well, you know, the numbers are just really, really good. And it's, so I think that's why they're excited by him because they don't

feel like it's far away. But from McCorn, I think that's part of what's going. on. And, you know, I think tonight he'll have more opportunities to get some inside stuff, you know, slants, et cetera, against the way the Bengals play some of their coverages. So, I mean, that could be a factor tonight. But yet, he's got to get more involved because he's a guy. I mean, you know, we know that they don't have a lot of explosive players. They've got to get him more involved. Dan Gratziano from ESPN, your network, reported the other day, or didn't report, I guess he just discussed.

The Cowboys Chiefs, Rams, and Washington would all, quote, love to add a talented wide receiver, closed quote. Do you think if there was an opportunity with them in contention at the trade deadline that they would be looking for a receiver? I think that's, well, there's a couple hypotheticals there that's hard. I don't even know what contention means, by the way, by the end of October, with still more than two months left, yeah. And I think in contention could be four and four, right?

Sure. In contention for playoffs or what, I don't know. I know that was as much, listen, we know that they would like to get another receiver. That's why they've been looking for guys, right? That's why Noah Brown is here. But what the leap is, do you see them trading a lot for a top receiver? And I would have a hard time with that. It kind of runs counter to how they're trying to build this right now.

in the off season, could I see it for sure? But at that point, I don't know because then what are you giving up in terms of capital, et cetera. Now, the way I could see it, Kevin, is if someone said, okay, they want to get rid of good veteran ex-receiver because he's not going to resign, you know, just will take a third. Okay, that's then you, you know, but I don't see like, you know, that's why the Brandon Iuke thing was never really a thing. because they weren't, they didn't want to pay that cost, both in terms of money

and then draft it. So, so yeah, I think it, I think, let's say it depends, and it depends who it is, what's the compensation?

But I do think, you know, like, why wouldn't the team look to get better? I think they would do that. I just think then it's like, okay, what's the cost of that?

And, you know, so that's what I, kind of running around and circles a little bit with it, but I just, I think there's, it depends on it.

But, yes, you should always be looking to find a guy. Again, they brought Martavis Brian in because they're looking to see, can you find somebody who's available? And if somebody available is really good or someone who's really good because available and you can get them at a decent cost, well, you kind of, you know? So let's switch it to defense. So what's going on through two games?

Why have they struggled? I think when you look at there are sometimes when first of all the corner play I mean it's kind of playing out the way I think you thought it would right so I think that's a problem and you know I think Benjamin St. Juist I think he's done a nice job he's just having to punch up right he's a number two corner who's being asked to play at a high number one level and you know covering Mike Evans who's. who's going to be a Hall of Fame, right? And I think, but I think that St. Juice has done a good job with what he's been asked to do. And even like last week, I thought he had a really nice game. But then the other side has been a problem. And that's kind of a big part of it. I mean, shoot, if Mike Davis makes a couple tackles, things look a little bit different, you know.

And so, but I think you start there. It's hard to tackle that guy, by the way. If you watched him yesterday. Sure. Yes, I saw enough, and for sure, that guy is an Uber talented. So, yes, I agree with that. But that's, you know, you are, that is your job there. But yes, that is very true.

But I do think that's part of it. You know, even the first game you saw, like, you know, with San Ristill, there were sometimes some leverage issues, whether it's losing your leverage or just taking the wrong leverage, you know, you're a rookie, right? So that's going to bite you, too. So I think that's one of the things, right? And then you look at some of the lack of pressure last week now. The Giants did a good job of, you know, seven-man protections, six-man protections, all game.

And, you know, the doubling on Allen and Payne a lot of times. First game didn't get Baker Mayfield down, period. And then you gave a big play because of the other issues we discussed. But I think, you know, Alan's, Ellen and Payne, like even the first game, there were times when they were in one-on-one, they did a pretty good job of getting pressure. Last week, they did not. Sometimes it's a double-team.

You know, you are, listen, you are allowed to be double-teams in this league. Aaron Donald was double-team. Chris Jones gets double-teamed. So some of that then is incumbent on, I think, scheme to free them up and find ways to create one-on-ones. The hard part with this defense right now, Kevin, is if you try to do that too much, what are you doing to the secondary? right? Are you leaving them too vulnerable to other plays?

And do you have the secondary that can hold up if you're not getting there? And I think that's part of the scary part. So I think there's some of that. And then also in the run game, there are sometimes when you're looking at it that, you know, the numbers don't add always out, don't always add up. Like you kind of look at it, okay, are there enough guys to fit these gaps? and sometimes last week the answer was no, there weren't. So then it's become like, okay, is that a play call thing?

Where, you know, Joe Witt first time, defensive coordinator, like where are you at with that? And then also sometimes you might just say, like, are you just going to have to say, listen, we want to keep two deep safeties, and in this one, we're going to have to live with this, and you're going to have to get off your blocks and make a play. And I think, like, then, you know, sometimes there's getting used to,

them getting used to their new players, the players getting used to what they're asked to do, and you see sometimes you might be in the gap, but you're a little bit widened, and the other guy's a little bit widened too, and now Jeremy Chins coming down with a big gap to fill, and he doesn't come down hard enough, and then, boom, there he goes.

So it's all of that. And we know the defense has to get better. The question that I have is, like, to what level can they get? And I don't, you know, we're not talking about a defense that I'm going to go, to the top 10, but you have to play better. Because if they don't, it's going to be a really tough year. Yeah, I'm wondering right now, and it's such a small sample size, two games.

I mean, this league is just so fickle. And you do have, yeah, and you do have to allow for this is new, whether any, you know, it's not, it's for fans, it feels old. For this group, it's new. And, you know, like, it's, I know for fans, it's very hard to always be patient, but it's, you know, you have to see, like, to me, where, okay, what do they do tonight? What do they do next week? Is there progress?

If there's not progress, then that's a problem. You know, but I think with two games, it's really hard to draw conclusions. I think you, but I think the hard part, though, is there are fears that are coming realize in some cases. Yeah, I'm wondering if, of course, it's personnel where we all thought it might be personnel before the season started. Right. All right, we start at Corner. We start at, you know, question marks about who's really going to be able to generate a pass rush without scheme. But I'm also wondering through two games, and you kind of implied this, if Joe Whit Jr. is still trying to find his way as a first-time defensive coordinator. It would make sense. Listen, I remember when Sean McVeigh was your call in place, and McVeigh is obviously very good. And, you know, I remember him talking about how long it took him as an offensive play caller to get into his rhythm. So I do think, there's part of that, you know, and, you know, and the other part, like, I think I like Frankie

Louvre. I think he's going to be pretty good. Wagner's done a nice job, but they don't have that Micah Parsons type. So it's just thinking, you know, so if you're not doing things right, is there that guy who can clean up the mess on aisle five, right? You know what I mean? And they don't have that guy at this point. But I do think there's still a learning like, okay, what can these guys doing this situation. How is this guy hammering blocks? And some of that goes back to Kevin. You know, the trend in the NFL, this isn't just here, but the in the NFL with not playing guys a lot in the summer. And the joint practices are great. I love those things. I think they're invaluable. But I think the games are too. And just the more you can learn about your guys

than the better it helps. And I think for a new group that I wonder, I wonder if that's part of this process, right? Because we've seen it before, and, you know, but I've had guys tell me, like, yeah, they would like to have played more. But I also know, like, you know, coaches, I mean, this team doesn't have a buy until December. You want to keep your team healthy. So there's that dual thing like, okay, what can you live with and what do you have to just kind of go about as the season go? You know, what do you have to learn on the fly a little bit, you know? Right. Two more for John. Give me a player that we haven't really seen much of yet in two games that you think we're going to see a lot more of in the coming

weeks? Oh, I think, well, I mean... I'm not talking about snaps. I'm not talking about snap counts. I'm talking about production. Either or. Okay, well, I think so the guys that you look at, but these are kind of obvious maybe, I mean, I think Noah Brown can make some explosive plays for them. You know, I don't think he's going to be a 60-catch guy, but I think he's going to be a 60-catch guy. I think he's going to be. make more exposed to place, but we saw that last week. I think Johnny Newton, to me, is a guy to watch. And so I think he's the guy that I keep my eye on more just because he finally can play.

I mean, you know, he, I don't know if you, like, watching him last week, he provides a lot of energy. He just doesn't know what he's doing yet. And I don't mean that, like, disparagingly, it's his first action. That was, he hadn't played in a joint practice, or hadn't participated in a joint practice or played in a preseason game. His first action was in a regular season game, and he's just going out there.

And so, like, he, I talked to him last week. He talked about, like, you know, just how much he's having to basically overthinking. And so I think as he gets more comfortable, you'll see some plays. And I think, you know, he's got good change of direction and all that. So chasing guys like the quarterbacks they have to face sometimes, he can be invaluable.

It's just like, when does it click? him. You know, I think, but he's a guy that I'd keep my eye on because I think he's got that ability if he stays on the field to then eventually become a guy that can make some place for them. All right. Since you started covering the team, what's your favorite Monday night memory of all time covering this team on Monday night? I mean, well, all right. So there's two different things here.

So one of my, and because you can kind of look back, I guess, maybe. and chuckle with this one is, the first one is the whole contract thing with Donovan McNabb before that one and then going out and laying a massive age. And I know that's not exactly where you're, but like if you, if I talk about Monday nights, like that jumps out. But the biggest one is then you go to Santana Moss in Dallas. Yeah. Because that team, that game was done.

It was over. And what they did there was like that was incredible. And look at what it's done. I mean, Santana Moss was a great player. and he was a I love covering him because he's such a professional um but he is not forever known as a cowboy killer from that game like that game kind of helped create a legacy for him here that people will still talk to him about to this day but the other thing with that one too is so there's there's from a game standpoint watching that like the um the most unlikely come back and in that and then

from a reporter standpoint so like a little in yeah well inside baseball stuff here. So I'm sitting there and you know, you have to send your story right when the game ends. And at that time, I was working for the Washington Examiner and there's like, you know, I have to do grades. I have to do analysis. I have to do a story. And so they cut the lead to 13 to 7th. Like, okay, I got to change his grades. I'll bump this from an F to a D. I mean, that's how bad it was. Yeah. It was. It was terrible. It was terrible. So I go through that and I change some of them to reflect the fact that, oh, they scored a touchdown. Yippee. and then you kind of tweak the game story.

And then they get the ball back, and then they score. I'm like, oh, my God. So I actually had to write another story, you know, as they're kicking off and you change a story, you change the grade, you change the analysis of each position, and then, and so I'm like, okay, now I'm good. And then the Cowboys return the ball to the 40 on the kickoff. Right. Like, I don't have enough in me to change this again.

Like, they've got some out pull this out. I can't, like, this is crazy. So I had like three different versions of the story and grades and all that stuff to reflect on what might happen. So that's why I was also like, that's the craziest one. But really it goes back to the unlikely comeback and what Santana Moss did in those minutes that was very memorable. Right. I mean, Mark Brunel basically ran to within like fourth and one. They were dead.

They didn't generate anything for three and three quarters of the. game in terms of quarters. It was truly one of the more stunning. I think half of Washington had turned it off and gone to bed. But the Monday Night miracle. And I wouldn't blame him. You named the Monday Night Miracle and the Monday Night Massacre has the two that popped to mind. All right. Enjoy. But that was, yeah, the McNabb one was classic, though, because I mean, for a lot of reasons and just for the ridiculousness of it and just, you know, you knew what they were thinking of him and just the dog and pony show and that before

the game and the press box with it and then Michael Vick has the... I mean, that game by Michael Vick was one of the best games I've ever seen by a quarterback, certainly in person. He was phenomenal. And then it starts with the first play with a lot of Andrews trash-talking before the game. But, yeah, the Moss game, I would go with that one.

Yeah, you know, when you just said that, I think, I mean, you and I've had so much many conversations over the years, but it's like there's a really good book, you know, in you, which is what was really going on heading into that game. And that McNabb situation all season long was a story. All right. Good job. On to Cincinnati, John.

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There, you're playing for the Heisman, you know what's at stake and all those things. So I just want him to have fun, enjoy the moment. I mean, the whole state of Louisiana will be tuned in for that one. I know that's a guy

he looks up to in respect, so I just want him to stay within himself, compete his ass off, and see where it goes. That was Cliff Kingsbury the other day, answering a question about the message he had given Jaden Daniels prior to his first nationally televised Monday night game. Yeah, all due respect to the NFL and the atmospheres and stadiums across the NFL and the pressure associated with winning in the NFL. It just doesn't match what Jaden Daniels dealt with in Baton Rouge and playing games in Death Valley. or in Tuscaloosa, or at Jordan Hare, et cetera.

It's just different, especially in the South and in the Midwest, the Big Ten and the SEC in particular. And beyond that, I think Jaden is just one of these dudes. When he gets into these big pressure spots down the road, you know, later in the season, on the road in a real tough environment for the NFL, I just think he looks like he can handle it. doesn't look to me at least super early in his career that there is a moment too big for him. All right, this segment of the show is brought to you by MyBooky. Go to mybooky.orgie. Use my promo code, Kevin, DC, and they'll give you up to $1,000 in a cash bonus on your initial deposit. Nobody's giving that kind of bonus out. All of the Monday night stuff is up.

Right now, my bookies got Cincinnati as a seven and a half point favorite. The total's 46 and a half. The first game, Buffalo's minus five, with a total also at 46.5. By the way, the week four lines are up. Washington is a five and a half point underdog at Arizona. Forty-nine and a half is the total. That's the highest total on the board in week four so far. I gave out on Friday as part of the smell test. Buffalo and Washington. Now I gave it out on Friday, Buffalo plus five, Washington plus eight. It was eight on Friday. Sometimes I benefit from the Friday lines. Sometimes I don't. I am probably benefiting by that extra half point now. But if you like Cincinnati, can get a pretty good number at my bookie. Probably buy it down a half point to minus seven. I like Washington. The smell test overall, this, weekend seven and six, four and four in college, three and two in the NFL. The picks yesterday included the Broncos, the Giants, and the Panthers. I will tell you, I took the Panthers and the

Broncos personally on the money line. I also had the Falcons on the money line last night. Had the bears as well, they lost. So three and two in the NFL yesterday with Jacksonville and Washington tonight pending. Again, mybooky.ag, you've got to use my promo code, Kevin D.C. to get access to up to $1,000 in free money into your account on your initial cash deposit. All right, I want to end the show with this. I put together a list a few weeks ago of the top five most memorable Washington season openers. tonight for their only Monday night game of the season,

I put together a list, a top five list of their most memorable Monday night wins. Because they have a lot of memorable Monday night losses going through them. 1983, 4847 to Green Bay. That followed, by the way, a season opening 313 loss to Dallas. on Monday night football. You've got the body bag game in 1990 on Monday night football. The 2010 Monday Night Massacre when Michael Vick threw over Loran Landry to Deshawn Jackson on the opening play of the game.

But I'm going to give you the top five most memorable wins on Monday night. And we will start with number five. Number five came in 1978. The first year of former George Allen protege, Jack Pardee, taking over as the head coach in Washington. They were 4-0 on Monday night, October 2nd at RFK against the 3-1 hated arch rival Dallas Cowboys. It was a defensive struggle. The game went back and forth. fourth, Mark Mosley booted three field goals. They had a nine to three lead in the fourth quarter

when Dallas was driving and had a fourth down with just under a minute to go at the Washington 17 yard line. This is Frank Gifford. You'll also hear some Dandy Don Meredith and Howard CoSell as part of the call. Only shotgun. No way. incomplete Washington takes over look at this crowd hear this crowd whole stadium is rocking what a football game this was

brilliantly coached team by that man Jack Bardee Incomplete for Tony Hill That was it Washington took over And actually a memorable play from that game was the final play Thysman took this snap ran through the back of the end zone with the ball raised high above his head.

Really something that he probably should not have done because the Cowboys got angry. And later on that year in the rematch on Thanksgiving Day, the Cowboys destroyed Washington 37 to 10. But on that night, with that final safety from Joe Thysman, Washington beat the Cowboys with three field goals, nine to five. They didn't need seven field goals that night, and they got to five and oh. They would go to six and oh, but believe it or not, they did not make the playoffs. After starting the season, 6 and 0, they went 2 and 8 the rest of the way in Jack Pardee's first year and ended up not being a playoff team.

Number four on my list of the most memorable Monday night wins in franchise history. we go back even further than 1978 to December 13, 1971. It is George Allen's first year as the head coach of the Washington Redskins. They are the surprise team in the NFL. They're 8, 3 and 1, and they've got a chance to clinch the first playoff birth since 1945, which was only 26 years previous to 1971. one, but he's going out to the LA Coliseum to face his former team with nine of his former players playing for the skins. So this was really billed as a big time sort of grudge match for

George Allen heading back to L.A. with a chance to clinch a playoff berth and hurt the Rams playoff chances simultaneously. What you're going to hear is you're going to hear the introduction from Howard CoSell on Monday night football, and then an end of the first half, fourth and goal at the one, call to Larry Brown for a touchdown that gave Washington a 14-point halftime lead. This is what it sounded like. The Washington Redskins against the Los Angeles Rams. Build is a grudge match.

George Allen coming back home in his own words as you just heard them, perhaps the biggest game of my coaching career. Nine former Rams in his entourage and five of them, four of them, in the starting lineups, offensive and defensive, against the team and the players that he made winners of. So we've got a big one tonight, and especially as the game relates to potential playoff births. A year for that man.

Washington would go on to win that game 38 to 24, clinch a playoff birth. They were the wild card team in 1971, went to San Francisco, and lost 24 to 20. But the next year, it set it up for an NFC championship run in 1972. Number three on my list of the most memorable Washington Monday Night Football wins came in November of 1985. This one was a win, but it wasn't memorable. for the win. It was memorable for what happened to Joe Thaiseman in the first half. First and ten, Riggins, flea-backed with Fisman, did a lot of trouble. And it was Lawrence Taylor who slammed Thaisman to the ground at the 42-yard line.

The blitz was on. It's not necessarily a good play to have called. And quickly, Lawrence Taylor is up saying Thysman is hurt. And I don't believe Lawrence Taylor would have reacted that way unless Thaisman is really hurt. The night of November 18th, 1985 at RFK Stadium will never be remembered for the final score. It will always be remembered for that play, the play that ended Joe Thysman's professional NFL career. It was a flea flicker. Second quarter, the score was tied between Washington and the Giants 7 to 7. Lawrence Taylor got in there after Rigo pitched it back to Thysman.

Lawrence Taylor would later say, quote, I heard the leg pop. I remember just trying to get off him because I knew it was bad, real bad. I started waving to the Redskins bench to get the training staff out on the field, closed quote. That image of Lawrence Taylor waving, big bad LT, waving, panic-stricken over what had just happened is one that I think for all of us who were there or watched it on TV will never forget. What you may have forgotten is that Washington won the game, 23 to 21. Jay Schrader came in off the bench through for 221 yards and a touchdown in just over a half, and Washington won the game 6 to 5.

That season, 1985, was one of those seasons where Joe Gibbs went 10 and 6 and didn't make the postseason. All right, number two on the list of the most memorable Monday night wins in franchise history. 1973, October 8th, the defending NFC champion Washington Redskins at home against the

hated Dallas Cowboys. This was the Ken Houston Walt Garrison game. No play-by-play from this one, but at the very end of the game with Washington leading 14 to 7, Craig Morton threw to Walt Garrison. He was heading towards

the goal line for what would have been perhaps if the extra point was made, a game-tying touchdown. No overtime in 1973. The game would have ended in a tie. And out of nowhere came Ken Houston to wrap his arms around Walt Garrison and pull him away from the goal line. The great Ken Houston's signature play as a Washington Redskin came in his first season as a Washington Redskin. The Houston on Walt Garrison play, Washington won the game, 14 to 7. They would go on that year to finish 10 and 4 runner-ups to the Cowboys actually in the division that year and would lose in the first round of the postseason to Minnesota.

Number one on this list, I think it's easy, although some might say of a certain age that the game that I just gave you deserves to be number one all time. But another Redskins Cowboys Affair. This one, the Monday Night Miracle, 2005, early September, week two in Dallas. Washington, remember, had won on opening day beating the Bears 9 to 7 without scoring a touchdown.

And then in week two, this was Gibbs, 2.0 year two in 2004 they've gone six and ten they're down 13 nothing and it certainly looks like this is going to be a season with not much offense until we got mark brunel to santana moss twice over the final three and a half minutes of the game brunel hanging in Go indeed, and a pass is port for a touchdown by Santana Moss, and the Washington Redskins finally get into the end zone in 2005. From the 30, Brunel Go, he beats the same two guys. Unbelievable.

He just outran him, and Mark Brunel got it out there. That's what I say, this is offense, this is defense. You can play great defense the whole game, but you have to make a play. year. You can play lousy offense the whole game, but you have to make a play here. And the team makes the players, the team is going to win. That's the way the ball game will tell you, we have seen some improbably things to the years. This was only a 13-0-0 game, but this would rank right up there in terms of improbability. And for Jerry Jones and for Bill Parcells, that's about as bitter as it gets. September 19th, 2005, Texas Stadium. The most

improbable and stunning win, I think, on any night, any day in franchise history. That's my number one most memorable Monday night franchise win ever. As Kime sort of suggested, it immortalized Santana Moss in Redskins history. I don't know why it didn't do the same for Mark Brunel, but I think it's because Santana has hung around and Santana played much longer for the organization. Keep in mind, Santana was playing in just his second game as a Redskin. swapped with Laverneus Coles during that 2005 off season. And it was a great year for Moss in 2005. It was the last year this franchise won a playoff game.

They went 10 and 6, beat the bucks in the wild card round, and then lost to the Seahawks. By the way, yes, I do remember Sean Taylor in some of the threatening hits and near hits on the Cowboys' last gasp. attempts to try to get in field goal range to win the game. 14 to 13 Monday Night Miracle number one on my list of all-time Monday night franchise wins. All right, let's go get another one tonight.

Oh, I was going to mention, look, a couple of them, you know, 2014, the Colt McCoy game. That was close to making my list for, you know, a win on Monday night football. You know, the Eagles game from just a few years ago to beat an undefeated team, division rival on Monday night was real big. Those are some of the others in terms of memorable wins. Lots of memorable losses, though, as I mentioned. All right, done until tomorrow. We'll be here to recap Skins Bengals.

Tom, you'll be with me.