The Kevin Sheehan Show - Washington Is An NFC Giant

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

Kevin with more on Washington's 27-22 win in Jersey yesterday. Doc Walker jumped on to share his thoughts on the Commanders' 7-2 start. Kevin recapped the other NFL games including Eagles-Jags and Cowboys-Falcons and also had some Dan Quinn sound from his Monday press conference.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Next segment. Final segment of the show. We'll go back and look at some of the other games from yesterday, specifically Philly Jacksonville and Dallas at least. Atlanta. Dan Quinn's talking right now in his Monday day after press conference. I'll monitor that, if anything is said of note. I'll try to fit that in to the final segment of the show. I did do another post-game show right after the 27 to 22 win yesterday in MetLife. So if you didn't hear it, it's available. It's less than an hour. I give my full first blush game take. I'll update that a little bit here

in the open to the show. And as some of you pointed out, gave another passionate Jaden Daniels speech in the open. He was pretty good yesterday, really good, in fact. I start this show, though, with three notes, two tweets and an email. The email comes from Garrett. Garrett writes me occasionally, and this was short and sweet. Kevin, tomorrow's a big day for Adam Peters. We need defense.

tomorrow is the trade deadline, 4 p.m. From Lindy 82, Kevin, we need another receiver. Will Peters and Quinn do something about it? Defense, another receiver. How about from Ted? Ted Wright's first trade deadline I've been excited about in years were buyers, not sellers. And then he lists what he'd like to see Washington fill his stocking with.

Wide receiver, O-line depth, pass-rusher, two cornerbacks, not one, two. Ted, that's a tough order to fill. I doubt that they will add five players, you know, a wide receiver, O-line depth, pass rusher in two corners. I don't know what they're going to do tomorrow. I really don't. I do trust in whatever they decide, though. We've done the whole trade deadline discussion. You know, there's going to be some action, no doubt there's been some action leading up to this trade deadline, and the action will be with teams that are selling or teams that need a player or two to, you know, sort of fortify their run to a potential Super Bowl.

Detroit needs to replace Aidan Hutchinson. It looks like they may get Zadaria Smith from Cleveland, a player that I think absolutely for, you know, a conditional mid-to-late-round pick would be totally worth it for a team like Washington. But I trust what they're doing. I do. Benefit of the doubt, Kevin, in play here. They've given us a lot to feel good about already in terms of the competence levels.

So I would bet at least something gets added prior to the deadline tomorrow. I'm not feeling based on the reporting that's going on today. You know, we're closer to it and the Rappaports and the Schefters and everybody. We're not hearing Washington involved in a lot of discussions on any big name players, but would it shock me if they added O-line depth or, you know, corner depth. Look, they didn't play Emmanuel Forbes yesterday. They didn't play Davis. They haven't played that guy Davis since I think week two. They only played three corners.

So, you know, Noah I, Sanra Still, and St. Juice are the only corners playing. They could use another corner. That would be, if you told me they added another player, I guess it's at that position. All right. Let's get to kind of a revised version of the game take from the 27-22 win over the Giants. But before that, I actually had this. I'm glad I didn't forget to read this. This comes from Mason Kay.

I was pretty passionate, by the way, in the open to the pod last night about Jaden Daniels and the offense in particular. But, you know, I mentioned that Jaden Daniels right now is in that second tier of quarterbacks after Pat Mahomes. Mahomes is one, he's a tier all by himself, and then in that second tier is Alan Jackson and Jaden Daniels. Mason Kay disagrees. He writes, Kevin, you're smoking the good stuff if you think Daniels is the fourth best quarterback in the NFL. He's not even in the top 10. In fact, I have him at 12. Here's my list. Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, Allen. Stafford, Herbert, Stroud, Gough, Love, Kyler, and Kirk.

And that would put Jaden at 12. Look, I mean, these are debates usually reserved for the off-season, you know, after we've seen the latest full season of quarterbacking in the NFL. but if you were going to do a ranking of the best quarterbacks through the first nine weeks of the season, Jaden Daniels would be in the top 10. Jaden Daniels would be in the top five. He would be ahead of Herbert. He would be ahead of Stroud.

He'd be ahead of Love, Kyler, and yes, even my boy, Kirk. You might have, you know, Stafford or Gough, you know, in that conversation with him or Stroud. But I wouldn't. It's an opinion. It's an opinion. I think right now in terms of the combination of taking what's there and producing at a high level and then creating when it isn't great things at a high level,

that's the group of four that do it better than anybody else does. Mahomes does it the best, and then Jackson, Allen, and Daniels are those four quarterbacks are the best at on-time or off-time quarterbacking. But thank you, Mason Kay. And he wasn't the only one to suggest that I was smoking the good stuff. I don't smoke the good stuff anymore. The key word there anymore. It's not that I'm smoking the bad stuff.

I'm just not smoking, period. I've tried gummies. Didn't work for me, actually. All right. The Game Take update here. So, first of all, you know, offensively, I mentioned a lot of the productivity and the numbers associated with their incredible productivity. There are more numbers that I've seen since the podcast yesterday.

I mentioned it's kind of flukeish when they punt. They lead the league in the fewest punts per game. They lead the league in the fewest punts per drive, which is different than per game. Washington's not had a lot of drives because they don't come off the field, and defensively they don't come off the field a lot. And it's not because they're turning the ball over. I saw Kime tweet out this stat from Elias. Washington's three turnovers in nine games is the fewest since 1933 the year they started keeping track of turnovers.

How about that? I wouldn't have guessed that. I would have thought that through nine games, there's a team somewhere along the line that had less than three. But Washington's three turnovers in nine games, according to Elias, the fewest since 1933 the year in which turnovers. over's retract. They're also not punting a lot. They're not punting a lot. It has nothing to do with them going for fourth downs and missing. No, they go for fourth downs and they convert. They're 11 for 11 on the season. Other numbers that have been updated here, all right? Because I get access to a lot of these numbers. Points per drive, number one in the league. Points per play, third in the league.

Plays per drive, number one in the league. Already mentioned punts per drive, the fewest. They lead the league with the fewest three and outs, although they did have two yesterday. Average yards per drive through nine weeks, 44 and a half yards, the most through nine weeks in the history of the NFL, or since they've been tracking it.

They don't get stopped. You know, they're the most productive offense in the league. They're the fourth highest scoring team in the league behind Detroit, Baltimore, and actually, believe it or not, Tampa Bay. The difference is that those teams have taken the ball away more than Washington. Detroit's got 16 takeaways. Washington's only got eight in nine games. So you take the ball away more, you get more opportunities of possessions. That's why Washington's fourth in scoring. Here's something else. Washington in nine games with no overtime games yet, they've played 36 quarters of football.

They have scored in 34 of the 36 quarters. They didn't score in the opener against Tampa in the first quarter, and they didn't score in the fourth quarter of the Cleveland game when they were up 31 to 6 and took their foot off the pedal. I mean, the offense is just so good. it just is. It's right now good enough that your margin for error, as I described on the podcast yesterday, is just bigger.

You know, you can afford to not be perfect when you are that good offensively and more importantly, that good at quarterback. All right, let me go through the game take with a few revisions from the version that I did after the game yesterday. What I liked, what I didn't like, and a few other observations. On the list of things that I liked, I mean, it's the offense, number one, five out of eight drives produced points, and that eighth drive was a knee-ed-out drive. They drove 69 yards on nine plays, and the quarterback took three knees. The Giants never had an opportunity after cutting the lead to five, 27 to 22, to see the football again. Washington's really good at possessing

the football. And, you know, the red zone numbers were three for six. That last red zone trip actually counts as a red zone miss. That's kind of dumb, statistically. When a team knees it out at the one-yard line, they obviously would have or had a chance to produce another touchdown. But still, really good red zone production. You know, the read option style plays just makes it so much easier for everybody else. It makes it easier for the runners. It It makes it easier for the O line. It makes it easier in play action when they present as a potential read option, run quarterback or running back, and then, you know, he's back into play action mode.

Both teams did that exceptionally well. They didn't hit their average points. They didn't hit their average yards in part because they only had eight possessions in the game. You know, in 57 actual snaps, if you take the three knees out of the equation, I thought specifically the players. Jaden was outstanding. I mentioned a lot of his plays yesterday. I think the throw to Noah Brown,

the 31-yard throw that he layered over the top of the coverage and got it to that spot where he could catch it without a defender. It's a great catch, but it's a great throw. His throw at the end of the half is brilliant. I still don't get what the Giants were trying to do there. 11 seconds to go. You don't put Deontay Banks into M. man coverage on Terry McClure. Maybe he was expecting safety help, but that was horrendous by the

giants there at the end of the first half. There were just exceptional plays throughout and very few mistakes. And I said at the end of the show yesterday, end of the description of Jaden's performance yesterday, it's another A performance. Like, I don't know that he's capable of anything less than an A. And I think I said something to the effect that he was going to end up with a QBR somewhere in the 80s. It ended up being 96, his highest QBR game of the year. He had a PFF grade in the high 80s, which wasn't his highest. I think the Cincinnati game was, but he was great. I mean, the throw to Terry, the two touchdown throws were excellent throws,

the throw to Noah Brown, the 31-yarder, excellent. I did find a couple of other plays when I went back and looked at it that were, I think, maybe not the right decisions if they were true read-option plays where he had the option to keep it or run it. I specifically pointed out a keeper yesterday down at the giant 12-yard line in the first half, which he should not have kept it. And I found a couple where it looked like if he had kept it instead of leaving it in the gut of the running back, whether I think he was.

think it was Echler, that he would have had a lot of yards on a zone read keeper. But I have to admit that not every one of those plays are options. And I'm not sure we really know which are and which aren't. Cooley used to say, and it used to be accurate, it's not anymore, that if you see a lead blocker, it's not truly an option. The quarterback was, you know, that's a quarterback design, even though he's faking it in mesh style with the running back. And if you don't see a lead blocker, that's a true option.

He's optioning off the end or the outside linebacker. I don't think that's true anymore. We see a lot of zone reads with some of that, you know, some of those pullers, you know, that come from either the center or the guard position or sometimes it's the motion guy. They're really good at formations. They've got a lot of interesting formations. they just know what they're doing offensively. Jaden was an A.

Terry, you know, two catches, both touchdowns. He's just having a phenomenal year. You know, I lauded Chris Rodriguez's performance. I thought he was outstanding. I was a big fan of his prior to the regular season last year. I thought he really showed promise in the preseason. I think with Rodriguez, I think one of the reasons that he hasn't had more opportunities is, obviously Brian Robinson, Jr. and Austin Echler, but that may be the opportunities that

Jeremy McNichols got that he didn't get, that they were wanting to see more from Rodriguez in terms of his preparation. He had an outstanding block on the throw to, I think it was Senate from Jaden Daniels. He had a great pass block pickup. Notice that a little bit later after the game. Echler was great, Noah Brown was great. Diombi Brown's third and 18 catch on a checkdown, which was just thrown to get better fuel goal position. Such a great run, man. I went back and looked at that.

What a stiff arm. What a battler he was on that play to get 24 yards and set up the opportunity to throw to the end zone on the next play. And that's the difference between 17-7 at halftime and 21-7 at half-time. halftime. Defensively, I got one thing wrong. That first third and three was not St. Juice.

It was Jeremy Chin on that first third and three that Washington got a stop on. I thought Chin was outstanding. I think his speed, his hustle is tackling, his anticipation, his sniffing out screens. I think 11's playing at a high level right now. Fowler Jr., I mentioned. I thought Dorrance Armstrong stood out yesterday specifically. Wagner's, you know, the smartest player out there. Louvoo, I didn't think it was Louvoo's best game.

It was not, I thought he got blocked a lot in the run game. The center did a great job for the Giants at getting to that second level, and there were at least two or three occasions where it was Louvue that he got to. Special teams-wise, this is right now DVOA-wise, the number seven special teams unit in the league. coverage is great. They, you know, they're multiple players, you know, Walker and Owens and Reeves and Belor. Uh, the kickers, you know, missed twice in 27 attempts. The punters always outstanding, but the coverage units are great. Um, and then lastly, I just gave credit to the coaching staff for not letting last week's emotional Hail Mary victory impact yesterday. Uh, what I didn't like was

the run defense. It just wasn't good. You go back, you look at it again, it's even worse. They had eight or nine in the box on multiple plays. The 24-yard run by Daniel Jones, there are nine in the box. Washington started to adjust in the first half by, you know, walking down additional players, and they still couldn't stop the run. 142 yards and a half, 6.8 yards per play. And then the Giants essentially through over the top in the second half with some decent, you know, pressure from Washington. But yeah, they got run on. This is their Achilles heel right now, period.

And they're going to get tested against Pittsburgh and Philadelphia in their next two. I mean, Najee Harris and a quarterback who's not really a dual threat quarterback anymore, Russell Wilson. He'll run a zone reader two. You know, Arthur Smith has some of that in his offense. I mean, Arthur Smith is a big, you know, dual threat quarterback coach with Tannahill and, you know, even, you know, in Atlanta with Mariotta. But they're just not a good run-stopping team. And the Giants threw over top of them when they decided, hey, you think we're going to run again in the second half? No, we're going to throw 174 yards

worth of three drives and three scores in the second half. That's what the Giants did. They didn't punt in the second half. Three drives, two touchdowns, and a field goal. Now, one of those touchdown drives shouldn't have happened. I'm sorry, the field goal drive shouldn't have happened because they got stopped on a fourth and two that they didn't challenge on. Oh, I forgot one thing on the list of things that I liked. The offensive line was outstanding. I didn't emphasize them enough, but I do want to mention this,

because there are some numbers out there that the Giants blitzed more than they had at any point this year, and they had their lowest pressure rate game of the year. That was true. It's also true that the Giants weren't playing, you know, except for some of the safety blitzes where Jaden had that one duck of that safety and ended up on a 16-yard run. I love watching that play over and over again. I mean, it's just one quick move as the safety comes off the edge,

and he basically misses Jaden entirely. But the Giants and other teams are not rushing to sack him now. They're rushing to contain him. So keep that in mind. So some of the pressure rate numbers against Washington may end up looking a little bit less than maybe the team's done in other games because they're rushing him the same way you would rush Lamar Jackson or Michael Vick or, you know, Steve Young or Randall Cunningham. Like Richie Pettibone was the greatest at rushing Randall. First of all, he confused the hell out of the Eagles. and then he'd keep him in the pocket and say, you can't beat me from there.

Randall did on occasion, and Jaden can too. All right, back to the list of things that I didn't like. The run game, number one, you know, overall, the defense just didn't have a good day. And I said, C minus D plus, I'll stick with that. They had a couple of good plays. You know, they had the turnover in the second drive of the game that led to the first points of the game. And they had a fourth down stop that should have been challenged. and that's the next thing on the list of things that I didn't like.

I hope Quinn gets asked about this today. I wonder why they didn't, you know, challenge the fourth and two-throat neighbors, which was clearly short of the sticks. The official, she marked it wrong. I mean, the ball never gets close to the line to get to, and it was a terrible spot. Giants, you know, did the right thing. They got up and snapped it quickly,

and there are a lot of reasons why, Washington may not have challenged that play. And one of them is sometimes they don't get the replay quickly enough. Other observations, you know, I talked about the two-point conversion choices by the Giants. What are you doing? I mean, what's Brian Daible doing going for two down 24 to 10 with a team that isn't very good offensively? And then instead of running the ball or running Reed option, they drop them back.

Like your chances, I'm sorry, are not 50-50. if you're going to have Daniel Jones throw it on a two-point conversion. These two-point analytics people are screwing some coaches badly. Like the coaches that just blindly follow, it should be a tool. It should be information. It should not be just tell me what to do. There's context to this stuff. I want to go back to the fumble.

The, you know, the Fowler Jr. play on Daniel Jones. that whistle blows and that play is whistle dead long before Bobby Wagner recovers the fumble. In fact, the closest player to the football when they blew that play dead is Tyrone Tracy. But that's not the rule. The rule is even if they blow it dead, you play the play and if there is a clear recovery, then they can go to the replay if they rule it to be a fumble, Bobby Wagner hustling after that ball, and Tyrone Tracy not really hustling as much because the whistle blew the play dead. Well, Wagner, high IQ went and got it and Washington ended up with the ball.

Seems brutally unfair that rule. You first of all, have to let that play complete itself. You know, you have to let that play go. The referees are instructed. How many times do we see, you know, a forward pass. not get called as an incomplete pass, even though it's obvious, so that they can watch how the play continues in case it is a fumble. Well, they didn't do that yesterday. They blew it dead. They shouldn't have. If they hadn't blown it dead, I don't know what it would have happened. I guess Tyrone

Tracy goes after the ball even harder and potentially battles Wagner for it. I mentioned yesterday that the throw to Zakias before the two-minute warning. The Giants totally blew the clock management at the end. They should have been calling their timeouts on defense after Rodriguez had a one-yard gain with 243 to go. They had three timeouts left. It's 27-22. And Washington was given free license to throw the football as the clock wound down to two minutes. They snapped that ball with 205 left.

There was no downside to throwing the football. Now, I think that that was the play call. I didn't see a check. But if they did check to that, brilliant to check to a pass if they were going to run the football because there was no penalty for throwing the football because the next play, that play was going to be stopped by the two-minute warning anyway. Horrible job by the Giants in that spot. What else did I have?

I don't think I mentioned this last night, but McNichols got stopped by a whistle that stopped the play when his forward progress hadn't been stopped. It was a play in the first half. He was fighting. The legs were still moving. You know, it's funny how sometimes you get the runner that seems to get stopped at the six-yard line, and then all of a sudden the rest of the team pushes him into the end zone, and you feel like the play should have been stopped.

and then other times, especially when it's not near the goal line, they'll stop it almost too quickly, and I thought they stopped it too quickly on that play. Overall, great day offensively, quarterback, outstanding, run defense, not very good, good job to get a win in what was a competitive game. I never felt like they were going to lose the game, but if they had gotten one stop, the Giants down the stretch, And they had the ball down five. I wouldn't have felt great about it.

But seven and two with the two biggest games of the year in terms of back-to-back games coming up. You know, you look at Pittsburgh and Philly within a four-day period. This is going to be real intense. Pittsburgh is the best defensive team with a decent, you know, with a capable offensive team. They're not great offensively, but they're better with Wilson. Washington now a two and a half point favorite. And they'll have the Eagles and Falcons back to back later on in the year as well. All right, Doc Walker next after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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Yeah, Doc's with us. I mean, look, I can't get them on every week. I appreciate your follower. Your people are so good to me. they're loyal and I appreciate it but I need them to stop begging. No one just force you put a player up from the junior varsity to the varsity. The one thing about is your show. Why do you do this?

People actually believe you. No, no, you're the Jerry Jones of the Sheehan podcast. You are so busy. And so no matter what happens, I get people at grocery stores. I get people coming to me at Home Depot. I get people coming at him all the time. Why won't he make you a regular? But you don't tell him the truth, do you?

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And I think that I'm your Rudy. No, you're not. And I think that there's something to be said that the people, me being a people's choice, is good enough for me. So like today, I want the public to know this. He calls me, and I know what happened. Somebody, and that's okay. somebody couldn't make it

Coley's, you know, building a new project and my God, I'm so proud of Standing. Standing's on his second successful podcast. He'll be writing a book soon. Man, I'm so proud of Ben. He's anchoring

on the fan. He is, I love this dude. And the team is successful. And Neil call me. He would allow him. How did we just get from Coley to Ben? What are we doing here? Because you're, and Tom, so your regulars, I have a great relationship with it.

Your regulars, we got a bond. And I know that your guys, I'm one of their guys too. I'm with them, even though you give me the Hizman. Tommy right now, I can call Leverro at 3 a.m. I bet you could, yeah. And he's like, let's roll, whatever you need. So I feel good about me. me, because you're guys that are close to you. People would much rather hear about UCLA and watching

Wooden's practices and winter car prep than here you do this, because I will end this with just one question to you. When's the last time you asked me to be on your podcast? A number one, I never ask you because I know that you're taping in the morning, you're working. There's the answer. On the weekend, you play golf. And I've been told you're at the club, and I know that how important that is for you. Right. Yeah, that's nice. And Tommy has told me, I know people are very close.

The answer would be, what? Three years? We don't have guests. No, no. Four years? I want a weekend. I say, Kevin, if it's a bad weather day, I'll check in with you. Hey, if you're not playing today, nine, could you join me?

I'm embarrassed to ask. Let me. If I'm on a weekend show? You don't have guests on your podcast? No. No, I have shot. Follett. No, we don't, look.

You have not asked me to be on your podcast in three or four years. That's the answer. First of all. No, no, no. This conversation can end now. It can end right now. And ask him. Yeah.

We had to get it for seven months. Okay. We're barely good. It's glad to be on. Listen, it's okay. Let me, let me just say this. It's, I, whenever you ask me to come on anything, I'm there for you, when you ask, You rarely ask if ever.

And nobody cares about this because you are here with me, and I'm thrilled that you're here with me right now because we got a football team. Yeah, we do. I was telling Neil for Rockville, I said, you know what, could get him back? He comes back, I'll come back. We don't even need it sponsored, but we have got to do some version

some segment at some point in time before this thing gets off and running because it feels so good that this is not fake. It's nothing, no hocus focus. This is pure football, high IQ football people doing it the right way and understanding how to connect with young people

and giving guys at the midway part of their career second opportunity for their last hurrah. And I'm telling you, all kidding aside, this is a beautiful thing. If we could just stay in the moment, stay focused, the thing's about to get cranked up. It's the time to get cranked up. And around Thanksgiving, this is when you start really defining who you are and which you want to become. All right.

Let's start with Jaden Daniels. I mean, there's a lot of people doing a lot of great. things that have contributed to seven and two. But after nine games of watching Jaden Daniels, you think what of him? I'm just so lucky that the Harris group was smart enough to leave dumb Dora in this group in charge because they knew it would give us the second pick. Because there's no way they could have succeeded. All you had to do was just let them stay on.

I would have overreacted, terminated them the moment I sent the ink would have still been wet. And then Berset would have led to maybe two or three more wins, and we wouldn't have had this one in a generational player. Why? Because he's mature. He's not a jackass. I don't even know his handle. He never mentioned social media. Right.

You know, and the rest of these clowns are so insecure and get so excited about having strangers follow them. And that's the beauty about it. His parents did a terrific job. He's adhered to coaching. He wants to be coached. He comes to the building where the old guys, old crew used to just be leaving the club.

And that's why we're set. But don't make no mistake about it. Harris, Witt, trainers, cooks, gardeners. It's everybody.

And granted, eight of the 11, and I'm not telling you, I mean, you, I heard you say it. Eight and 11 new starters. Who has flipped a team

like they gutted this program? And not only are they good, they better than they've been in a long, long time. They've already lapped the last clown show that was here. They've lapped them

in half a season. and they've done it with new personnel. And everybody won't work. Everything won't be perfect. But the spirit in which they have created a work environment. You know how much fun we used to have at work in the bullpen? Yeah. We did.

That's the environment they have. The environment we had. To where it was you genuinely enjoyed it at work. Just the bus chops. and to go in, you know, and have a laugh and go in and do your job and compete. And we had a nice competitive arena, and that's what made it fun. I envy them. But I also have been through it.

So that's why when I see the signs and then I know, oh, yeah, what are most people want? They want wide receivers. Why? Because you get them for fantasy. I get it. I can't wait to retire so I can play fantasy. And I can get involved with wage. I'll be your best customer.

You weren't. I'm going to be all over it. But you can't be competitive and be involved in a side deal. Because then you no longer care who wins. All you care about is that you want. So I am completely Neanderthal to the fact that I want to win, beat everybody at death every week, so that we can win the ultimate prize. And, I mean, the wide receiver.

Did you see Zakias? Yeah. I mean, we've got guys making care. I mean, tell me the last time Noah Brown has dropped a pass. He's dropped a couple, but we had not yesterday. No, I mean, of consequences. Yeah. We've got people making plays, man, making plays from all over the place.

I'm looking around at this thing going, what do we need? Health. And even when you get people banged up, backups come in. And I didn't know we could, we had firepower. I didn't know we had muscle without the eight car in the backfield. And out of nowhere. Rodriguez. I said, well, I'll be doggone.

Yeah. So we can get some horsepower if the eight cars down. We didn't have that in Baltimore. And that's why I was irritated. Well, they didn't try against Baltimore. Baltimore's run defense was great. I know you would have run it 38 times, even if you were averaging a yard and a half per game. per carry.

But you got a break. Yeah. You said something. There are a couple things that you said, per usual, and I take very good notes. Yeah. You said they're connecting. No, I'm not mocking you. This is where you are great.

You said they got people out there that are really good at connecting with young people. And I think that's a part of this thing that, you know, just normal fans don't understand that there's a culture, but you've got to find the right people. they have to be authentic, you know, they have to, who do you think is connecting with this young group? And with maybe, look, it's not just the quarterback who's young. There's a lot of young people out there, including some of the veterans. They're young comparatively. But is it Quinn?

Well, obviously, he is. He is the visible person. It's like when your old man, he gives you the soul shake or the, congressional shake. You know what I mean? It's almost like you're walking to some home and you're visiting with one of your dudes and you go into their house. The handshake, kind of like sets the level of temperature of the house. Right. What do you see Quinn doing when you come over? You see him giving the quote old soul handshake. That's what you see him doing. Or giving you the beatnik handshake, if that was what it, or giving you the peace sign,

if the peace sign, you know, is what was needed. In other words, he's whatever it needs to be to connect, and you just think of it being authentic. It's like there's nothing fake about him. If you don't like him, that's okay. It's not because of anything he did. You probably don't like yourself. And that's just the way some people are.

Some people wake up on an honorary, angry, pissed off, look in the mirror and mad at themselves. Yeah, looking to be sensitive about almost anything. Yeah. Exactly. You know, we've been around them. You know who they are. But that's okay. But even more so than that, how about the staff?

How about a guy, give them credit for nailing it. And you better look for a fire sale if they continue where they're going right now. Now, not that these owners care, because don't forget, we're in a market and a business that you don't have to win to be rich. So you talk about, you got the word, I heard it on your program. Players are now inquiring about the commanders. Good players want to be in this type of environment. You talk about a feeding frenzy. If you're a billionaire owner, you think you're not, Iqabooing, you're not.

Hika-buwin, your telescope is not pointed toward Ashford. And so this is what I like about how we're layered, how many former head coaches are on this staff. I'm going to tell you, man, it's such a relief. I feel so good about this because it's sustainable. Yeah. And Coleman comes back, concussion. You know, listen, I'm repeating what I hear you say.

All I'm saying to you is that I'm, I'm just glad that we get to bask in this a little bit, and we get a chance to, so we're a part of it. Whether you want to be or not, whether they want us to be a part of it, it's not. We're a part of it. You said something else, because you've been there and done this, all right? You've been a champion. You've been a part of championship teams.

You know what one looks like. You said there are signs. What are the signs to you that this isn't fleeting, that there's something. something of real substance here. When you look at there's no hate for five, nobody's jealous.

He spreads the ball around. Remember, Terry was the first neglected. Not the first served. He's lucky because he's got the greatest wide receiver temperament in the world on his team.

Can you imagine if he had some of those other brats then they're in the league and boy are they good but it might have thrown off his process because Terry is such an adult and I hope

that Terry he's in Washington for a reason I keep hoping that somebody's phenomenal individuals are in the nation's capital for a reason other than just sports and I hope Terry's here for other than sports because

this is the kind of guy we lead leading in a number of different areas. This is leadership. A guy that just bites the bullet, blocks, makes plays, catches, as everybody say what he's not, and all he does is prove what he is. So we're developing generational leaders out of this group. And so in the defensive side, that's when you thought you're about to start to get on their case. They're looking at you now how you like me now.

And if you don't think Peter's Bruin, if you don't think his guy is even better than advertised, I remember what people said when he took Newton. I was listening. Wait until he gets in complete football shape. He's a terror. Bigfield is in there. Balling.

And this is without your pro baller who's out. And we got a linebacker coming in. Walker. We just wait until they keep cultivating their stash. It's going to even get better. And that's why I'm so excited about this group, because there's not just one superstar. We got a guy who's headed towards that,

but the complementary pieces. And, I mean, I can talk about them, and I thank you for giving me this opportunity. Yeah. Because I just want to talk about them now. I really like to say for all these guys that Luke McCaffrey, I'm this dude, man. I love this guy.

He's just a millimeter off from being a hero. He will be. Luke is going to be that guy around November, December. Yeah, has eight catches for it. Oh, man. Yeah, I agree. But you know what, Nick Giacueno, one of my favorite teammates of all time. The trash man.

Just keep just keep not paying attention to him. watch what happens. What does they do well, Kevin? Because everything. Look, it's just, it's Jaden, take me to where the throw is supposed to go, and that's where I'm going to throw it. And he's open, but you're right. I have a feeling there's a big, people are going to be like, who just had eight catches for 124 yards and two touchdowns? Like that might be coming. You're going to come back. Yeah. I tell you what, if Cooley can't make a show in November, And you call me, I will be here and we'll come back to this moment.

I guarantee you. When I asked you about the signs, you gave me some good answers. But one of the answers I thought you might give me is that, and this would go hand in hand with the teams that you played on. First of all, they play hard, they play fast, there's an effort. You know, it's not a given in sports. No. But this is the team that if they're going to make a mistake, they make it, you know, playing

fast. But Doc, they have excellent special teams. And some of those players are similar to some of those role special teams players that you had on your team over the years. Greg Williams, Otis Wansley. No, Lee, you got to beat Cronin. Look, the personality of your team is based off teams, team players. And to me, you know, it's O-line, D-Line. and now you're starting to, don't forget, now, John Allen's out. Another year that would have been, well, let's just pack up. They're elevated because people are stepping up.

Secondary, and I don't know if Baby Smooth will survive this or not. I'm pulling for him because every team needs that player, needs that personality guy, but if you're going to be inactive and be blinked up, then you've got to be a dude. You have got to be a dude. So I'm pulling for him because every team you need that. You need that diversity and personality. But this is no longer clown show.

We're not putting on acts. You've got to produce. And I'm pulling for him. I really, really, and I hate to pull for him because you either got it or you don't. But this is a dude, I think he served a raw deal, having no coach in your rookie year. It's suicide for a young player. So I want to see him, hopefully, that he could make it.

Forbes. But, yeah, I mean, it's just, it is what it is. You mentioned it, but pass rush, brother, is coming. Okay, so you mentioned the defense, and you mentioned some players, and I love Johnny Newton. I mean, he's got a shot to be a big impact player already has been to a certain degree. I like chin. Raise that bar. I like 11.

I like four. Yeah. Four. But this is the weakness of the team. This is the weakness of the team. They could not stop the run yesterday. They haven't been able to stop the run all season long. So my question to you is, is it going to come back to bite him in the ass?

Well, and Philadelphia. you. Couldn't have perfect opponents because Philly they're coming. And Pittsburgh that's their personality. And

we're ready. I mean, this timing's perfect. Because there's none to talk about. You're right. And Bigfield's got to have the game of his lifetime. And we're set up for it because one of our more heralded players is the middle linebacker.

So if you're here to have four games a year, this is one of the four that you're here for. So it's put up, shut up time. Because these teams are going to trick you. That's why I love both of them. It's a manhood issue this week. And we've got to worry about motion and all that. Because they're coming downhill. Yeah.

Yeah. So either you put a big boy, Bridges. This is Pittsburgh. This is black and gold. Oh, Pittsburgh. They're coming. Oh, yeah. Tony, he is going to be inseparable.

We're going to have to deal with him all week. That's okay. But I like this kind of game because I don't think any of our guys are scurred at all. No. And this is the kind of game I'm looking for right now. Because you know Tomlin, I don't know if anybody knows what's going on in Philadelphia side line, but I do know this. Yeah, right.

They've got the best back in the game right now in Philly. Oh. And it's another one of those nitwit moves that are brain-dead front-off. office and head coaching staff does when you let your best player get away and you overpay a guy at quarterback. We've dealt with dysfunction. We've mastered it. We get it.

But those days are long gone for us. But now the schedule is ready. This week, our fan base is going to be tested. All this enthusiasm, all this is great. Right. Now put up a shut up because you will be tested in the stands this weekend. Explain to everybody. Black and gold.

They travel. Yeah, they do. And it is not going to be a fluke. They do this every week. Yeah. Yeah. So your fandom, we're going to find out this week. Because this is not giant fan or soft behind cowboy fan.

No, no. This is a different animal. This is like Niners fan. It's coming. And so we're going to find out. And I think we're up for it. Just in the nick of time. Just in the nick of time.

Yep. I think we're going to compete. Yeah. These next two games, I mean, you get two games in four days. Pittsburgh and Philly. Wow. All right. Get your popcorn ready.

You were fabulous as usual. Get back into that barrel. In order, are you getting breakfast in the middle of the day? No, no. Oh, you already had it. Yeah, you're right. You know too much about me. First of all, it's classified.

Anyway, my menu is classified. Between us. Yeah. Yeah, between us. Yeah, it's always breakfast. Breakfast 24th of a date. Yeah. But, hey, man, we deserve this.

You know, we've been loyal to people that are loyal to us, telling the truth and the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And now we get to do with a smile. I love Victory Mondays. You enjoy yourself. Didn't day, I'm telling you what, man. That kid is so gift. it. Yep. And you guys are killing it, man. And just don't forget that Chris Russell follows you.

Sometimes with Doc Walker. Well, and every once in a while, you actually remember that. Well, it's always encouraging. It's all, no, no, I understand. You know what? I'm going to leave you with this before we, you know, bored people anymore. Breakfast all day, Christmas all year. Doc Walker, summed up in two, the three. incredible lessons here. Breakfast all day, Christmas all year. Doc, if you're walking into the studio at the old 1801 and Doc's pulling up in his car and he stops and he rolls down the window, it could be July and he's got Christmas music going. Because what have you always said? I like it. Why deprive myself all year long of something that's so good? It's a great lesson. All right. Well, if it feels good, do it. You know?

Kevin, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. I feel bad every time I thank Chris. I thank Chris for not being here. I feel bad doing that, but if he were here, I wouldn't be on. So thank Chris. Talk to you later, everybody, Doc Walker. The one and only Doc Walker, everybody.

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follows. There's plenty of time for the Jags to do whatever they want. Lawrence has time looking for Johnson, and it's picked off Kobe Dean. Eagles linebacker Nkobi Dean with an interception in the end zone with a minute 40 to go in the game, saving the Eagles from what would have been an embarrassing loss to Jacksonville, and perhaps saving Nick Siriani, the Eagles head coach, his job. I'll explain in a moment. This segment of the show brought to you by Wind Donation.

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So that's coming up here to end the show. But quickly back to yesterday. and Philadelphia at Jacksonville to start. First of all, if you haven't seen the highlight of Sequin Barclay's athletic feet, where he spins twice and then jumps backwards over a would-beed tackler, it's truly one of the more remarkable athletic endeavors on a football field I've ever seen, and probably that you've ever seen. And we've all watched a lot of football.

Check that out if you haven't seen it. He really is spectacular. Healthy, wow, Sequin Barclay is one of those two, three, four backs in the league. That's a major game changer. You know, McCaffrey, Derek Henry, you know, Alvin Camara, and I think Barclay. You know, there are a couple of others out there. But in terms of being able to dominate a game, Barclay with 159 yards rushing in a touchdown, he also had three catches for 40 yards and a touchdown.

and the Eagles are really good. They are extraordinarily talented. Their defense is getting better. They added Barclay, a major impact player to their offense that already included A.J. Brown and Devante Smith, you know, big time game changers along with their quarterback. They've won four in a row. The most impressive of the wins last week at Cincinnati,

because the other wins are, you know, a close win over the Browns, a win over the Giants on the road. and then yesterday's win over Jacksonville. But they're coming, man. This is a two-horse race in the NFC East, especially with the Cowboys now at 3 and 5, and Dak Prescott out for a few weeks with a hamstring injury. The Eagles are the competition.

And the Eagles, Washington game, when they play a week from this coming Thursday night on November 14th, it'll be one of the heavyweight games of the year. I mean, both of the games they play against the year. other have the potential to be massive games, not only in the division, but in the conference as well. Now, as it relates to their game yesterday, look, I think Nick Siriani, honestly, is the most off-putting coach to watch from afar of any that I can think of in a long, long time. You know, they've got all sorts of issues. Now, maybe they're getting it together now, and

maybe he's an outstanding scheme coach, you know, leader of men, all of those different things. I'll tell you what he is horrible at. He is a terrible game situation, a coach. They went for two at the end of the first half after scoring to make it 16-0- they kicked a field goal, scored a touchdown, they scored another touchdown, and instead of kicking the extra point, he went for two to try to make it 18 to nothing instead of 17 to nothing, with, by the way, a really good kicker in Jake Elliott.

I find him to be one of these faux brave coaches, faux aggressive coaches, like, we're going to be aggressive, we're going to go after, we're going for two. And all he does typically is put them into positions in which they could potentially lose games that they had no business losing. If Trevor Lawrence doesn't throw that interception and the Eagles somehow lose that game, him just willy-nilly winging it and going for two when it makes no mathematical sense to do it and putting themselves into a hole. They went for three two-point conversions yesterday. Only one was justifiable the last one, and they missed all three of them.

And instead of having 31 points had they just kicked the extra points, they were clinging to a five-point lead, 28-23. And it's just irresponsible. and I'm not sure what the point is. I can tell you that the Philadelphia fans are pretty sharp football fans. They are killing him today on Philadelphia radio after they won a game. Somebody needs to take the game situation stuff away from him. If I were the owner, I'd say this is not your area of strength. I don't know what areas of strength he has, but that's not one of them.

And we are going to give it to somebody who is going to be responsible. and is not going to be impulsive and is not going to wing it. These games are precious. They're only 17 of them a year. And we got a team in front of us in the division that is legit, and we can't afford to blow a 22-0-0-1-1, which should have been 24-0-at-home against Jacksonville. Dallas, let's go to them in Atlanta yesterday.

They lose 27-21 to 3.000. truth is the score wasn't really indicative of how much the Falcons kind of beat the Cowboys down. Here's another situation. Mike McCarthy's time is over. I mean, it's done. Unlike Siriani, I think Mike McCarthy is a good and has been a good football coach. That's unlike Siriani. Like Siriani, he's terrible at game situation stuff, and they are an undisciplined football team.

They had a play in which they had 10 players on the field on a crucial third down that Atlanta had on defense, 10 on defense. And they had another play where they had 12 on offense. They are penalized so much and have been during the McCarthy era. And then on a fourth and one, they run C.D. Lamb on a fly sweep right into the strength of the defense. They got rid of Kell and Moore, who was probably their best offensive coordinator. they have all of their money invested into two players. They did a terrible job in the offseason of getting those deals done in time so that they could have added players to the roster. It's an aging bad roster with injuries that they're not able to overcome because they don't have any depth.

And they've got 46% of their cap tied into Dak Prescott and C.D. Lamb, both of whom had MRIs today. Good luck with that. Prescott apparently out for several weeks. It may include the Washington game here on November 24th. We might get Cooper Rush. The Cowboys are done at 3 and 5. And this is a two horse race in the NFC East for sure. Atlanta meantime, they won again. They've now won, I think, five of six. And Kirk Cousins has been outstanding. But beyond that, they've got a great running back tandem. Bejohn Robinson, I should have thrown into the conversation of sort of elite backs. He is really exceptional. 19 carries 86 yards, but he was also very, very effective as a pass catcher, seven catches for 59 yards. They can hurt you in so many different ways, and they got a quarterback that obviously is a professional, you know, quarterback. Their defense is still vulnerable to, you know, teams that can really run the football, but Dallas can't. And actually, Dallas did run it a little bit.

Rico Dowdell, 75 yards on 12 carries over six yards per tote. And Dak Prescott's 22-yard scramble was the longest run of the year for Dallas. Dallas has done Atlanta, by the way, in the NFC South. If Tampa loses tonight, they'll have a two-game lead over the Buccaneers, but really it's three because they've already swept the Buccaneers. I bring them up because checking the NFC, you know, you got Detroit, they beat Green Bay, and they were impressive in beating Green Bay yesterday in the rain and the wind. Jordan Love threw a backbreaking interception at the end of the half that got returned for a touchdown.

Detroit's awesome, man. They're the best team in the NFC right now. They really are. And it looks like they may try to add some pass rushing help. Zadarius Smith is a possibility to Detroit from Cleveland. They're 7 and 1. They've already played their road games at Minnesota and Green Bay. They've got home games against those two teams left.

So you're kind of looking at this and you're going, Detroit and the NFC East winner, and maybe the Falcons, maybe, are going to vie for the top two seeds. You know, the number one seed, I'd predict Detroit right now. The number two seed, I'd probably predict Washington or Philly, whomever comes out of the NFC East. But the Falcons, who aren't very good on defense, are really good offensively, and they could end up with 11-plus wins.

The NFC West, right now the Cardinals lead the NFC West. They beat Chicago 29 to 9. It was a rough day for Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams sacked six times in the game and was barely over 50% in a completion percentage. You know, there's this old saying about you never want to lose the same game twice. And the devastation of what happened to Chicago last week in Landover, it looks like they lost that game twice. I'm not saying that they should have beaten Arizona.

They're probably not as good as Arizona. But they weren't ready for that game, and they got pummeled by the Cardinals, who now are five and four, they've won three in a row. And look, Washington's most impressive win of the year may be the 42 to 14 trouncing of the Cardinals in Glendale. Crazy. The Rams beat the Seahawks 2620 on a Matt Stafford, overtime touchdown throw. Gino Smith had three picks in the game. He also threw for well over 300 yards.

Gino Smith actually leads the NFL in passing yardage with over. 2,500 yards in nine games. He's been, you know, hit and miss. I actually like Gino Smith. I think he's a gunslinger. I think he's fearless. But he threw two terrible red zone picks, and the Rams have won three in a row,

and they're back to 500, and they're getting healthier. What else? Baltimore, impressive over yesterday, beating the hell out of Denver, 41. to 10. The Chargers went to Cleveland. They picked off James Winston three times. I mean, that's James Winston. And the Colts lost last night in Minnesota. That was a smell test pick. Man, they had a shot. But the Vikings really good on defense. Sam Darnold, man,

he, two interceptions, a fumble, and he got sacked, I think, four or five times holding on to it too long. But Kevin O'Connell schemes it up so well for guys like Jefferson and Addison, and they've got T.J. Hawkinson back. The Vikings are not the Lions. I don't even think they're the Packers, but they're definitely a playoff team. And last night was big for them to avoid a three-game losing skid. Bills over the Dolphins, man, the Dolphins, since Tua has come back, they are a totally different team offensively, but they've lost on two walk-off field goals last week to the Cardinals.

And yesterday, the bills got a 61-yard field goal at the gun from Tyler Bass to get to 7 and 2 on the year. Bengals are back in contention. They blew out the Raiders 41 to 24. Drake May threw a touchdown pass on the final play of regulation, but then through an interception and overtime as the Patriots lost to the Titans. and Dennis Allen got fired today after the Saints lost to the Panthers yesterday, 23 to 22. I think that covers it with the other games. Tonight, Bucks and Chiefs, Chiefs are nine-point favorites, no smell test pick. Smell test over the entirety of the weekend was 8 and 6, I believe.

So a second straight winning weekend, although, you know, if the Giants kick extra points, That would have been a win. And the Colts certainly had a chance last night. But, you know, that's why they call it gambling. All right, I wanted to finish up by playing two Dan Quinn sound bites from his just completed press conference out in Ashburn. First of all, I want you to hear him answer a question from John Kime about what makes Washington's rush attack offensively so effective

and so difficult to defend. Probably the versatility of it, John. There's gap schemes, there's zone schemes, and then defending us is really all 11, you know, as the quarterback has a factor in this too on plays that could be, you know, designed option plays coming out of it, whether it's a design run-to-run or a design run that turns into a pass. And so I think those are the big ones. The RPO is a form of an option different than a zone read where it's run-to-run. the RPO is basically the same thing.

It's just an option. And I can throw it if this look is there. So I think those are some of the significant parts of it, John, where it's all 11. You have to be able to defend the quarterback runs. And then mixing in pullers and gap schemes with it, it's a lot. It is a lot. It is a lot to defend a team that's playing 11 on 11 in the run game

because they've chosen to leverage the dual threat ability of their quarterback. And Washington's got so many other things going on with their run game as well. But you heard the head coach tell you, you know, this is really about, you know, the quarterback being a factor and having that advantage of being able to play 11-on-11 football. I also loved how he, you know, explained the difference between, you know, the zone read in the RPO. We've talked a lot about that on the show over a long period of time. All right, there was one other thing that he said. He was asked about the problem with the run defense yesterday.

Here's how he answered the question, which I think came from Sam Fortier. Number one, I thought the quarterback runs of him being able to circle the defense, Sam, was a big deal. And one of them may have been a 24 yards or significant explosive run. and then past that, I thought, I didn't feel like the tackling was off base, but the explosive ones are the ones that can really change the course of the game. And we had won against Chicago and then the explosive run from yesterday, and you don't get to say, except for this and this, you know, it was on point. So I think more than anything, you know, making sure whatever the look is,

whatever the run is, that you're able to nail that piece down. And so that's where I thought, you know, we missed the mark in this game. So I'm going to push back on the coach here a little bit with that answer, because he seems to imply that if you take Daniel Jones's 24-yard run out of the equation, that they weren't that bad against the run, it's just not true. If you take DeAndre Swift's 56-yard touchdown run out of the equation last week that somehow, you know, they had a good day stopping the run. Look, yesterday, take Daniel Jones's 24-yard run out of the equation. The Giants had another six runs of 10 yards or more. Another six runs, all in the first half, by the way, because they didn't try to run the ball in the second half.

They anticipated Washington would sell out to stop the run in the second half, and they threw it for 174 yards and a half with Daniel Jones. But no, in the first half, take out Daniel Jones's long run, six runs of 10 yards or more. They had two 10-yard runs, two 11-yard runs, a 12-yard run and a 15-yard run. They also, by the way, in the game, had two six-yard runs and three-five-yard runs. Now, if you take Daniel Jones's run out of the equation, they still averaged 4.7 yards per carry.

So that's not entirely true. Even if you go back to Chicago last week and take out the D'Andre Swift 56-yard run, they still average 4.5 yards per carry on all the other rushes. Caleb Williams was a part of that as a scrambler, understood. But look, if you give up an 85-yard run and the team rushes for 128 yards, so basically, you know, 43 yards rushing on, say, another 20 carries taking out that 80-yard run, you can talk about the one run. You can't talk about the one-run yesterday.

They got absolutely gashed in the run game. And they got to get better. They're 30th in the league in yards per carry allowed. They're 29th in the league in overall rush defense. They're not a good run defense right now. I don't disagree with him when he says that they, you know, he said, what's the line here? He said, I didn't feel like the tackling was off base. I agree with that for the most part.

I think they hustle. I think they pursue. I think they play with great energy. I think they've really improved from a tackling standard. point, you're really going to have to find somebody more adept at sort of gap integrity and what they're trying to do and what the responsibilities of the linebackers and of the D-line and of the safety that they walk down into the box, sometimes two D-Bs in the box. You'd really, three d-bs in the box, you'd really have to get a more in-depth explanation from Quinn or Joe Whit Jr. or

some of their coaches. But they're not a good run-stopping team. That is the number one weakness on this team. Everything else is buttoned up pretty well. I mean, they're not great in coverage either. I think they generate some good pass rush pressure at times and certainly more so in recent games. All right, that is it for the day today, back tomorrow with Tommy.