The Kevin Sheehan Show - Washington On The Clock

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

Kevin and Thom today with their predictions on who Washington will take tonight in the first round of the NFL Draft. Also on the show, Kevin gave his "cornerback" observations, the boys talked Caps-Canadians Game 2, reactions to President Trump's comments about the RFK site for a stadium and the "Redskins" name topic, and a lot more.  Go to zbiotics.com/SHEEHAN and use SHEEHAN at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.Goldbelly.com, code sheehan, for free shipping and 20% off your first order of food from around the US.  Go To WindowNation.com. Buy 4 windows, get 4 free!Betting on sports? Go to mybookie.ag. Use code KEVINDC for a bonus!   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. With the second pick in the 2024 NFL draft. The Washington commanders select Jaden Daniels. That was a year ago, and that worked out pretty well, I would say.

Tonight, a different story. Washington's not picking number two overall. they're picking number 29 overall. Tommy's here. I'm here. The show's presenting sponsor, as always, is Window Nation 86690 Nation or WindowNation.com if you need new windows. Coming up in this opening segment, we're not going to bury the lead that much. We will get to our predictions for Washington tonight in the draft. Tommy's done a lot of research. He's got to pick. and I have my pick as well.

God, a year ago, they picked Jaden Daniels. A year later, even the most optimistic of Jaden Daniels fans would have never predicted that we'd be here selecting number 29 overall in the first round, not because of a trade back, but because of where we finished in the postseason as well. one of the final four teams in the NFL playoffs. It really is incredible. You never know with this draft. And I was bullish, as you know, on Jaden Daniels all along.

Yes, you were. But if somebody had said to me a year ago, it was April 25th, 2024, you know, a year from now, you guys are going to have one of the final picks in the first round because you're going to win 12 games and two road playoff games and play in the NFC championship game at Philadelphia. I would have said, okay, enough, stop, put the brakes on. Even the most optimistic of believers have us at, you know, 10 and 7 in a wild card game. Right.

Yeah. Which is what I think my prediction was. Worked out pretty well. I think it was. And, you know, it's amazing because every year, no matter how bad they've been, okay, you always have a segment of the fan base that predicts 12 and 5. no matter how bad they're going to be. And they were finally right.

They were finally right. Although what's weird is that I didn't hear a lot of 12 and 5s last year. You know, we always get that, but when you're starting a rookie quarterback, everybody assumes that that first year, even if he's really good, is going to be, hey,

he's really good, and they really set themselves up nicely for the future by going 8 and 9. or nine and eight in his first year. You know? You know, it wasn't just a rookie quarterback. A whole new coaching staff. Yes.

That was it too. Right. Yes. And by the way, an underwhelming offseason when, you know, at the time, you know, a lot of one-year deals with players and, you know, like they were really dipping their toes. They weren't diving in to the deep end. It's like they were just interested in treading water until, they could get some more draft picks to build a team.

Yeah. That's the way their free agency went last year. I compared it to shopping at Costco. That's what they did, you know? But, God, they hit on some great, great, great picks, great, great signings. Yeah. Austin Echler, you know, Frankie Louvoo. Tremendous, tremendous signings, both of them.

You know, even Night 2 last year, like there was so much bitching for, taking Johnny Newton. I remember they're like, what are you doing? You know, you had 36 overall. You have all these needs and you took a D-Lignment. We have D-Lyman. We have D. John. That's that scenario of, you know, it's a strong part of the team. I mean, there were, you know, there were a lot of, there was a ton of skepticism, you know, with the draft after Jaden Daniels. A ton of skepticism in Jayden Daniels remember. Let's not forget. Not that I want to keep bringing this up for the purposes of, you know, burying you people in it. I'm not trying to be an asshole here. But there was a lot of, I don't see it. They should have traded back. They should have gotten O lineman. They should have gotten D-Linman.

They should have kept Sam Howell. With better coaching, you know, the same people that wanted Eric Bienemy, that were raving about Eric B. Enemy, that were then saying with better coaching, you know, he'll be fine. No, we had a lot of that. Yes, we did. And it deserves to be brought up every time. Well, especially, and I forget if we mentioned this the other day on the show. You know, Seattle reportedly is trying to trade Sam Hal. They brought back Drew Locke.

And as of now, there are not many takers. And I'll say this. Maybe they could trade them. Maybe they could trade them to Minnesota. He could be reunited. Is he Eric Bianney? Is he in Chicago? Eric B.

He was at UCLA. They fired him, right? So where is he? I don't know where he is. He got hired. He got hired on the NFL staff. He did? Minnesota or Chicago.

It might be Chicago. It's Chicago. Yeah. And they don't need them. Minnesota doesn't need a backup quarterback either. He's the running backs coach in Chicago. Wow. There you go.

I mean, we are literally two years removed from him being announced and many in the fan base saying, that's our next head coach. They just hired Rivera's replacement. And honestly, in the last several years, even more so than the Sam Hal or some of the Carson Went stuff, that's the most mystifying to me. nobody wanted to hire him literally nobody wanted to hire him to be an offensive coordinator forget the head coach thing andy reed didn't want him back and yet we pulled off the coup of the century to get eric bian to me to come here that never made any sense to me it's like it was just fans watching the chiefs watching mahomes giving him a ton of credit for the offense instead of Andy Reid and Mahomes

and saying he's finally getting the opportunity to be a coordinator and he's going to be a head coach. Instead of paying attention to literally nobody wanted to hire him, they didn't even interview him. The Ravens were the only other team to even interview him in that offseason. Yes, he's back in the NFL. He's a running back coach for Ben Johnson on the Bears staff. So look, maybe, you know, people can learn and people can become better, and maybe this go around will be better for him.

I'm rooting for all people to succeed, except for people who I don't like. And I have no reason not to like him. He was a good sound bite. Yeah, he was. I mean, the reason, again, the reason you would generate animosity toward him is because of the people. who trumpeted him, his fans out there, which really isn't fair to him. You're right. I mean, who we really get frustrated with are the people out there who thought that, you know,

that he was going to be the next head coach. He was a head coach in waiting once Ron Rivera, you know, served out his last year. So that's, but we can't, we can't direct our frustration at any of them because, you know, they all hide on social media. So Eric, the enemy takes the front of it. I'm convinced to this day that Ron Rivera was just doing Andy Reid a favor. Ron Rivera knew he was a lame duck. And then the irony of all of it is that Ron Rivera is the one that literally within a week and a half of training camp threw him under the bus and said players are having a hard time dealing with him and they're coming to me to talk to me about them.

It's crazy. It's crazy. But yeah, no, no, I. The animosity, if anything, or just kind of the, you know, the, I don't get it, was with not even the fans, but there were people, and I remember arguing with people in town. I'm like, are you not paying attention to the fact that this was the only job available for him in the entire NFL? Like, nobody wanted him? Like, how is that not something that you would consider before, you know, basically, you know, basically, getting on your knees and saying, you know, can't wait for you to be our new head coach. Yeah. Anyway.

We don't have those kind of issues anymore, do you? God, this organization. Who said this to me today? Somebody said to me today, was it a caller? No, I had Chris and Craig on, Chris Russell and Craig Hoffman on the show. Or maybe it was Ben who said it to me. Basically, somebody said, you know, Washington at 29 tonight, there's probably a lot of lot of leeway for them to even take a big risk, maybe on a Will, you know, maybe on a Will Johnson

the corner from Michigan who's had some injuries and apparently is falling in this draft, which really would be interesting to me because he's such a great player. He played with Santer still at Michigan. But, you know, because Washington has such a trusted front office and coaching staff, as trusted as any in the league, that they can maybe, you know, know, take a risk tonight on a player like Will Johnson if he fell to 29. I'm thinking to myself, really? That's foolish, so. That's foolish.

Their top motivation, I think, I think their motivation should be, what do we have to do to help Shaden Daniels? That should be their whole motivation right now. How do we help this quarterback? Yeah, but how do you respond to just the, idea that Adam Peters and company and Dan Quinn and company have become one of the most trusted front office head coaching combos in the league. Look, I don't know if that's... Maybe in the league, maybe in the business, but the fan base, they could turn on a dime. Well, they could. True.

You'd draft some guy who everyone's scratching their head about, you know, they're going to be whining at the draft state party at, at, uh, at, uh, Northwest Stadium about it. The draft day party. Wherever it is. I don't even know where it is this year. By the way, I'm just thinking it's probably not even true. Obviously, the Chiefs, you know, Andy Reid's pretty trusted in this league,

along with what's his face, Veach. And Howie Roseman's pretty trusted by Jeffrey Lurie, for sure. I mean, he's been doing a pretty good job for a while. But whatever. It's a different situation. Tonight should be, tonight's going to be wild because one of the things that has become very evident in trying to look at this draft and read about this draft is that there are players being mocked at 10 and 65 in the same draft. like there's literally like 60 or so players that all could go at any, you know, point in time.

And it's going to be based on the team that's picking and their preference. There's just, it's very close between a lot of players. Before we get to our picks for tonight, which we will in this opening segment, I did want to read something that I wanted to talk about anyway, but we'll do it right here. I was going to save it for the final segment. but this comes from Stefan. Stefan writes, I'm just wondering what your thoughts are of Mike Patrick. Mike Patrick passed away the other day at the age of 80 years old.

Stefan writes, especially with you being a turp during your time there with his broadcasting in the ACC and of Len bias games, etc. Yeah, when I saw that, I think somebody had mentioned recently that he was sick, so I think I didn't know that. Mike Patrick, long time, play-by-play voice, voice of Sunday night football and ESPN for all of those years, Sunday night football overall. The voice of the ACC for this in the 80s, in 90s, voice of Maryland sports in the 70s. But, you know, Mike Patrick, for college football and college basketball fans, has been a mainstay for decades and worked with, you know, Dickie V and Billis and all of these guys. and the biggest and the best. I always thought he was excellent at everything he did. I always thought that he was incredibly conversational and likable.

I had him on the show once or twice over the years, and I loved having him on when I had him on because I was a big fan. And, yeah, he'll be missed. He was great. I think some of the reactions from guys like Billis and Dickie V and Joe Thysman who worked with him for all those years on Sunday night football, tells you all you need to know, everybody that had a chance to work with him just really, really liked him. So, you know, sympathies to his family.

Yes, absolutely. Here's what he never seemed to do. He never big-time to anybody. Never. He always seemed to have time for everybody. He was generous to people. He was a guest of mine on my cigars and curable. Yes, he was.

I remember that. He was great on that show. Yes, yes, he was. Yes, I'm glad you remember that. That's nice of you. And I posted that conversation on social media, if anybody wants to listen to it. But he was a recognizable voice for a lot of memories of sporting events. Yeah, he really was.

At the end of the show, I'm going to play two calls of Mike Patrick that for you, Terp fans are all time. Stay tuned for that at the end of the show. But yeah, thanks, Stefan, for bringing that up. We were going to talk about that. We had that on the list of things to talk about at the end of the show. We'll get to the caps in the next segment, and their win last night. But let's talk draft.

Before you give me your Washington prediction for tonight, let me just mention, because I said I would do it yesterday. I've gone through some of these positions that are possibilities for Washington in the draft. I saved corners for the end. I'm not doing offensive linemen. Galdi ended up saying the same thing to me on yesterday's show, but it's true. What do we really know about anything, let alone offensive line play? At least we all have opinions about quarterbacks and running backs and receivers

and, you know, pass rushers. But offensive line, I can't tell you, you know, who is better technique-wise than other guys. But real quickly on the corners, taking Travis Hunter out of the equation, which, by the way, I took him out of the equation for the wide receiver conversation yesterday when I made my bold prediction about McMillan

not being the first wide receiver taken. Hunter is going to be the first receiver taken, but he's also a corner as well. So I love Will Johnson, but the injuries are a clear concern. It'll be interesting to see what happens. He was with Mikey Sandristel. They were just unbelievable defensively. They won the national championship in 2023.

He was the defensive MVP, even though Sanristel had a great game. Everything about Will Johnson is awesome. He didn't run in the 40. He didn't run the 40 at the Combine or on his pro day. So maybe these injury concerns are legitimate. And, you know, I saw Ben mentioned to me that there's several mock drafts, including Daniel Jeremiah's, where he didn't even have Will Johnson in the first round. So if he's available at 29, I've got to think that it's the medical and that teams are just afraid to use a first round pick on a guy that maybe they're concerned won't be the same player. I love Jad A. Barron. More on him coming up.

I think Harrison's really good. He ran 4-2-8-40. He looks late first, early second. I do like Amos from Ole Miss, but there are two players that I really like a lot. By the way, Revelle's a freak too, but he's, you know, had some injuries. Benjamin Morrison from Notre Dame has had some injuries. I'm not saying that he's worthy of a first-round pick. I'm just telling you that I like him as a player. And I guarantee you they like him as a player, too. He's really smart. He is a lot. leader. He is a team captain. He has, you know, incredible, you know, versatility. Everything about him, you can see if he's healthy, that he's going to be a really good NFL player, but he's had two hip surgeries over the last four years, and he missed most of the season last year, which is why he's going to drop. But I can imagine that his personality,

his leadership capabilities, his captain status, along with the talent, would interest them. And he is a good player. The player that I love a lot is Darian Porter from Iowa State. He's like projected third or fourth round. I don't get that at all. I had a friend of mine who, let's just say, is involved in sort of scouting and other things. He just said, just watch him. I didn't watch a lot of Iowa State this year.

number 10, I would just tell you if you're interested. You just watch the highlight reel. You rarely see somebody this size. He's 6.3. He has the longest arms of any corner in the draft. He is incredibly high IQ. He's played everywhere defensively. He pressures, you know, plays unbelievable press coverage. Here's the issue with this guy. He ran 4-3. The issue with him, for some reason, he's been in for six years, and he only started eight games. He only started this year for the first time. I don't understand that. You turn on the highlight reel and you're like, well, that's got to be the best corner in the draft. Like physically, he's just overwhelming with size and with arm length. That's the player that I like a lot. So those are the guys. Will Johnson, the injuries are

interesting. I'm going to talk about Jod A. Baron here in a moment. Amos, Benjamin Morrison, and I really do think that the Iowa State corner, Darien Porter, is going to be a steal for somebody probably on night two. There's no way he makes it to day three, not at that size with that length and with that physical sort of overwhelming ability. And again, I don't know the reason. I've been trying to find out why he didn't play. But he's been an incredible special teams player, you know, for them over the years. He got a lot of lot of special teams, you know, reps. So he's going to play on that.

He's got, I think, literally like five blocked kicks in his career, like four blocked punts and a blocked field goal. So just a player that would be an exciting player to see in a Washington uniform, not round one. All right. With that said, let's do it, Tommy. Let's make our first round picks for Washington. All right, Tommy, they are on the clock at number 29. By the way, that may not come until, you know, sometime around midnight tonight.

Yeah. But if they don't trade back, and let's just assume they don't, give me the player that you think they pick at number 29. Well, I've had my sauces working on this. I know you have. To come up with what I think is an intelligently reasonable and accurate prediction. Instead, I came up with this. Shemar Stewart out of Texas A&M.

I think they're going to go edge rusher. I think there's plenty of edge rushers in that category, and I've settled on him based on my sources who tell me that he's up to it. The only thing is I also have heard from somebody that Baltimore is interested in him, too, and they pick 27th, I think, in the draft. Yeah, because they weren't as good as Washington was last year. Right. Yeah.

Right. So the Ravens could wind up. But that's the thing that if, well, then, if you're intent on picking an edge rusher, you could pivot pretty easy on that. There's probably three or four edge rushers maybe in this group that you think might be worth a 29th pick if they're available. So. So, mine, Shamar Stewart out of Texas A&M.

I've seen a mock to Washington a couple of times here in the last few days. he is not my favorite player. I talked about him earlier in the week. He is one of those guys that it's just he's a physical freak, the way he tested. You know, he's 6-5, he's 270, he ran, you know, 4-5. You know, it's the old traits over production argument because he had literally zero production in college. He never had more than a sack and a half.

in a season. Now, he had pressures, he had tackles for loss, he played the run well, but to me, when I watch him, and this is the reason that I don't think they'll take him, like the athleticism, the effort, the motor, it's all there. But the reason he doesn't get the results is that he's one of these guys that is athlete more than football player. I'm not saying that he's not physical because he is, but he just doesn't have the spatial feel, just the athletic feel. You know, Cooley used to say about linebacker Perry Riley, who was a really good athlete. Perry's a really good athlete, but it's weird because the play is like being run to the

right side and you see Perry running to the left away from the action. I'm not saying that that's Shamar Stewart, but he just is one of those guys where you have to wonder if he's so athletic and so strong, which he is, how can you, end up with just a sack and a half last year, a sack and a half the year before? That to me is a disconnect. I would, a lot of people love him. A lot of people have mocked him to Washington. You're not the first.

You won't be the last between now and tonight because of the athleticism and just the overall freakishness of his athletic ability. By the way, Montez Sweat was similar in that he was an incredible athlete. and tested just through the roof at Indy. But he was a better football player. And he was, but remember at the pro level, Montez didn't always get home. Montez, you know, got pressures, was pretty good against the run, but he always had an issue with getting to the quarterback,

eventually closing on the quarterback. And that's been this guy's problem. And I don't think he's the overall athlete or, um, player that Montez was. But I think he's going to go on the first round, and the reason he would drop to 29 is because of what I just described. And I think that's why a lot of people have mocked him to Washington, because if he had had better results, Tommy, if he had just like five or six sacks a year, he'd be the second player after Abdul Carter among the edge rushers picked easily. All right. Cornerback. Texas.

Jaday Barron is my selection for Washington at 29. And the reason for that is I think that the player that they would pick if he fell to 29 in terms of an edge rusher is Donovan Azaruko from Boston College, and I think he's going to be gone. I think there's a chance that if Tyler Booker, and if Tyler Booker, the guard from Alabama, is on the point. board when they pick, I'd actually be really surprised if they don't pick him because I think they love him. But I think he'll be gone as well. And so I don't know that Jad A. Barron makes it to them, but if he does and the edge rusher they want, Azaruko's gone, Booker's gone, I think it's Jada Barron from Texas. This is a guy that's as high an IQ corner as there is in the draft. He's played everywhere. He's played outside. He's played inside. He's played in that, you know,

Buffalo Nickel box safety look. He's fearless as a tackler. He led the SEC in interceptions. He led the SEC and defended passes. He won the Jim Thorpe Award last year as the nation's top defensive back. Super dependable character, a high IQ player. Here's the reason that he could fall to 29. He is smaller. He's 5-10-ish, and he's got the shortest arms of any of the corners projected

in the top three rounds of the draft. And length is always a big deal for scouts on corners, but he does run sub-4-4-40. I think he ran a 4-39 at the combine, and he's so smart that he makes up for

kind of not having the long arms to help them with closing. He came up big in every Texas game that was big this year. He had two interceptions in the first game against Georgia when they lost at home back in October. Then in the SEC title game, he had another interception against Georgia in that overtime loss. He led them in tackles in their overtime playoff win against Arizona State. He's just a really, really good football player. He's always around the football, always around the football, picking up fumbles, you know, interceptions. He literally doesn't, you know, commit penalties. There's just a lot to him that I think would appeal to Washington if he's there at 29, and the pass rusher that they like Azaruko isn't. So Jaday Barron, Corner, Texas,

is my pick. Shamar Stewart, edge rusher is Tommy's pick. Anything else to add? I'm looking forward to the draft tonight. It's going to be a late night,

though. It's going to be that. You can stay up? Yeah, well. Yeah, I think I'll be able to stay up for that.

Do you have to write? No, I don't have to write anything about it until after the weekend. By the way, I had somebody and I'm looking for it right now. Let me just see if I can find it.

I do. I have a column in tomorrow's paper. but it's not about the draft. Okay. It's about our next subject. Capital. Okay. Oh, here it is.

This came from Marcus. Marcus wrote me and said, Kevin, I really hope tonight isn't the Shadur-Sanders show. There are 31 other players that will be realizing their dreams tonight. Please let your ESPN friends know that this isn't about one man. There are so many other beautiful stories to be shared. I mean, Marcus, first of all, yeah, I have a couple friends at ESPN. I doubt that I'll be letting them know how you feel.

Secondly, if the other 31 players in the first round wanted the bulk of the attention tonight, they should have played quarterback. It's the way it goes, dude. This is always about the quarterbacks. And they should have chosen their father to be the on San. Well, there's that too. But it's always... I mean, if he's not picked, I mean, I think he'll be the hot topic of conversation.

It'll be the opposite because of all the reports out there that have been out there that he's turned some people off. Yeah. Whether they're legitimate or not. I mean, Dion is the spotlight. So if you can make your draft about Dion Sanders, I mean, if you're a program director, that's what you're going to do, as much as you can without being too obtrusive. You look, you're going to get stories about every player. You're going to get, you know, you're going to get Kiper.

I don't know what you watch. I'm a traditionalist. I'll have it on ESPN because I love hearing. I am too. I'll be watching, Mel. Yeah. But I'll be flipping around too all night. But we see this every year.

You know, the quarterbacks, even in a year where the quarterbacks aren't very good. I'm not a big Shudor Sanders fan as a quarterback, period. And I predicted yesterday one quarterback will be taken in the first round. That's it. I think that's all that deserves to go in the first round. Now, that's a bold prediction because the over-under at my bookie is two and a half, and it's pretty much two and a half everywhere. But now you're going to, you know, you're going to get some beautiful stories shared on players.

It's probably going to be a save the trees and improve the water supply segment on the show tonight as well, Marcus. We might get that as well. But the quarterbacks are always the story. And like Tommy said, when it's prime son who may be, and by the way, he's not attending. He decided not to attend the drafting Green Bay tonight. So we won't see the shots of him, you know, in the green room waiting to be picked like we've seen with, you know, Aaron Rogers going back many years or Johnny Mansell, you know, some of the uncomfortable nights. We won't see that, but it's going to be a big part of the story tonight.

And for Washington, it'll be a big part of the story when we get late in the draft about whether or not teams like the Giants, the Browns, the Steelers, if they didn't take a quarterback at 21, the Saints, if they end up trying to trade into the first round to get the quarterback so you get the fifth year option on the contract. And that's where maybe Washington will have an opportunity, but I have a feeling they won't. I have a feeling they're going to make a pick at 29. All right, we got a lot more to go on this show. We'll do caps next right after these words from a few of our sponsors. So, guys, I've talked about a product recently. It's called pre-alcohol. It's made by Zbiotics.

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Capitals may be a one seed, but I don't think the Canadians are as bad as an eight seed, and I don't know if the capitals are really a typical one seed, even though they won 51 games this year. I get that. I don't think there's that much difference, and I think all these games are going to be close. You know what I thought you were going to say? Talk about it. What? When you said, you know, given my, you know, vast hockey knowledge, what I've seen so far is that there just hasn't been enough in front of the net. There hadn't been enough action in front of the net.

What's your saying all the time? Not enough traffic. Not enough traffic in front of the net. And you know what? I think that's true with Montreal. Like, we both have limited knowledge of hockey, but I had Smokin'L, Al-Koken on radio today. And I just, I made one observation that I wrote. down last night, other than the obvious, which is the goal tending was great by Logan Thompson.

What struck me, and I did hear Alan May mention it, I heard Locker mention it, is the caps are really big. They're big, they're strong, and they're big in the middle. And I think because Montreal's not nearly as big, that guy Caulfield, he's tiny, you know, and he's on their top line and he's really good, and their top line is by far and away their best threat to score, they just can't get any traffic to the net. And so they're shooting pucks, but it's like it doesn't seem like there are much opportunities for Montreal against the cap stout in front of the net defense with their size. That would be my, my, that's my contribution.

to the show on the hockey game last night. That's very impressive. Well, Al said it was. Well, Al said it was. No, it wasn't an original thought. It doesn't explain the capital's lack of action in terms of scoring. I mean, this, I mean, look, Spencer Carver said it last night. They could have lost both of these games easily.

Yeah. I guess. I guess. I mean, game one, they obviously. got dominated, but not until the final 10 minutes of the game. They dominated the first 50, and it felt like it should have been 5-0, not 2-0-0. But again, in the third period, they had trouble again last night. Yes, they did. They just got bailed out by a great goal-tending performance. They did last night, man. The one, the save that we came in with was really an amazing save,

because that net was wide open, and there was a little bit of traffic there. I don't know. You might be right. And by the way, it's hockey, so there's an equal chance that you'll be right and wrong. I just think that of the 120 minutes of hockey played, the caps have been the better team for at least 120 of those 160. It's 120, right? 60 minutes again. They've got two wins, but they really don't have a lot to show for that then, that kind of dominance. They've been hitting. They've been out hitting Montreal. Yes, they have. I mean, the caps are, I mean, Ovechkin is impressive.

Last night was just the second time in 17 games. He was pointless. But he led the team in hits again. He's leading the series for both teams and hits. You know, last year, when they went out in the first round against the Rangers, he didn't have one point in all series. I know. People thought he was done. Yeah. this amazing. Look, one of the things, and this is what I wrote about for tomorrow is Washington

Times, you can find at Washington Times.com slash sports, and you can find it on my social media accounts, is both coaches had this theme in the post-game press conference. Martin St. Louis said the margin of error is so slim. And then Spencer Carberry said, it's thin, so you want to be on the right side. They pounded this. And I get that. In hockey, it is a thin margin. It can be like one power play, one flick of the stick. But I thought it was hilarious that they're sitting there talking about slim and thin when playoff success in this town has been like the Great Wall of China. There's been nothing thin or slim. about the playoffs here in Washington.

You know, it's like they've had to, like, literally overcome a giant wall to win the one Stanley Cup they had. I know, but when they lost, you know, when they weren't supposed to, the margin was incredibly thin in those games and in those series. Oh, come on. They put, no, no team let's blow more 2-0-3-1 leads in a playoff. That's the point. That's the point.

They were so, like, it was, they had leads. the margin of loss was just super, super tight. Those series could have gone either way. Now, maybe the psychological stuff certainly played a role. Because remember, we would say sometimes with those game sevens, and I think they lost during the Ovechkin era, I think it's six game sevens, four of them at home, something like that. I mean, ridiculous that you could feel the tension in some of those game sevens at home,

like everybody was expecting them to lose. But how many of those games were like, you know, overtime or, you know, a third period goal, or two to one, or three to two? And how many of them were they losing before the fans even sat in their seat? Well, the one, the one. That would be the one against Pittsburgh. Remember, I think you and I... Actually, there was another game seven against Pittsburgh a few years later,

where they were down five-nothing in the middle of the second period. That was the first one. That was the one in 2000. They lost the flyers in his first year of being in the postseason. In the second year, they lost, or maybe it was the third year, they lost to the penguins, because I was at that game and it was five to nothing early in the second period. I know, I was there for that. Yeah, right.

I was there for that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just think it was funny that they talk about how a slim margin it is, but cast fans are saying if it's a slim margin, and how cup are always on the wrong side of it. I know. That's true. And I might want to point out that, you know, for people who think 2018, the Stanley Cup has given them cover, they've had five first round exits since then.

I know. Well, we talked about that before the playoffs started. Like, there's new, renewed pressure for Ovechkin to go deep and even for Ted to kind of go deep. Like, 2018 is seven years ago. Now, they haven't won a series. By the way, until last night, they hadn't won a playoff game in a few years, or until game one, because they got swept last year. By the way, I'm going through their... So that first year, you know, they lost to the Flyers in overtime in game seven, right? Three-two overtime game seven.

The next year was the year that they got blown out by the penguins in game seven, but they won a game seven in the first round, two to one. I mean, listen to all the game sevens they've had. The next year was the 2010 Halak 2 to 1 in the seventh game. By the way, in that series, you know, there was an overtime win, an overtime loss. A 2 to 1 loss, a 2 to 1 loss. I mean, that's hockey. I understand that.

Then the next year, they got swept by the lightning. Okay, so that was not in the second round. They won the first round. The year after that, they lost to the Rangers in a seventh in deciding game two to one. The year after that, they lost to the Rangers. Here's a game seven in which they got blown out, Tommy. Game seven at home, I remember this, five nothing by the Rangers. That's the one I forgot.

Yeah, that's the one. Then the next year was another game seven lost to the Rangers on the road, two to one in overtime. then the next year after that was a four, three, game six loss to Pittsburgh in overtime. See, Kevin, Kevin, if, you know, I understand the whole philosophy and the logic of being thin, being slim margins, all that. But if you keep losing by that thin margin, it's not so thin anymore. Well, it's the, it's like a huge obstacle. It's like an elephant. I understand what it develops into, but the reasons for it developing are very fine line.

Like the Stanley Cup season, remember, they lost two games in overtime at home to Columbus in the first round. And then they were down in game three and came back and won that game in double overtime, or they would have been down three nothing. And somehow they came, I mean, the year they won the whole thing, They were almost out in the first round. Like, it just seems like most of their playoffs. And by the way, I think, yeah. But when your identity is failure, then you've got a far bigger problem than one play here, one play there.

Your identity gets developed after a lot of, you know, close losses. Fine line close losses. Don't go your way. Yeah, they certainly haven't, except for the one year where they did go their way. Because remember, they could have lost to Columbus. They were down 2-1 to the Penguins. They were down 3-2 to Tampa Bay and had to win the final two games of that series. And then they did kind of handle Vegas.

So what do you think they're going to do? You said that there's basically not a lot of difference in a 2-0 series. You might be right. And I've heard that Montreal is the best home atmosphere in hockey, and their fans have not seen them play a playoff game in years at home. Because when they were in the playoffs last time, they got to the finals, but it was COVID and only 3,500 fans could attend. So what do you think happens the rest of the series?

I think it's going to be, again, a mid-margin series, ironically. but I think Washington hasn't wilted. I think that the Capitol will win the series, but I think they're going to have to play. They're going to have to get more contributions than from Ovechkin to do it. They're going to need more offensive contributions than Ovechkin. They need to generate more offense.

Yeah. But I think the capsule win the series. I think they're going to win the series. Like when they fell behind one nothing last night and their goaltender, Montreal's was playing at such a high level, I did wonder whether or not, like, God, if they lose this game and the pressure starts to build. But, you know, they look bigger, stronger, and better and deeper to me. But I don't know anything about anything. And it really doesn't matter in hockey because, you know, Montreal could get a couple off the skate off the post and their goalie could, what do they call it, stand on his head?

and it could be 2-2 coming back to Washington for, you know, a big pressure. Thin margin, thin margin, game five. Real quickly, before we get to our final segment, I want to thank some of our sponsors, including Goldbelly. This is a really, really good website and service. Goldbelly.com. They deliver the best restaurant, most famous restaurant foods to your home. and I got Tommy delivered to me the other night

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Oh, yeah, the one in Wildwood. In Wildwood, yeah. Yeah. It's the kind of pizza that's got so much oil coming off of it. You need to bring a shirt to change into. The bib that you wear, the oil is still going to pour through. Yeah. So you need to bring a change of shirt.

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I don't even know what the conversation was about, but he was fielding questions from media, which he tends to do occasionally. And a reporter asked him if he would be involved in the negotiations to bring the team, as in the current team, the Washington commanders, back to D.C., and since it's federal land, if he would require the team to go back to it,

former name. He didn't directly answer the question, but he said the following, quote, Washington, the Redskins, it's a good name, but perhaps it's a little different than some of the others, you know, was referring to the chiefs and Indians, which also came up in the conversation, but I can tell you I spoke to people of Indian heritage, and they love that name, and they love that team. And I think it's a much superior name to what they have right now. And it had heritage behind it.

It had something special, closed quote. Now, this lit up social media in our little world, in our bubble, with, oh, my God, is, you know, the president going to be the name savior? So, you know, I've actually asked you this before. Like, could, you know, could the president in 2025 say, yeah, you'll get that land. And we'll free up funds. We'll make it easier for you, but you need to go back to Redskins. But here's what I would ask you. And I actually already asked you this because I called you before my radio show today,

because I wanted you to help me with the answer because you had written something a few months ago that I wanted clarification on. And the question is this. D.C. has the land. That bill got passed. Chuck Schumer got it done. at 2 a.m. on a cold December night. And D.C. now has the rights

to do with that land what they choose, which would include building a stadium there. So how could the president create a quid pro quo of will let you do the stadium

if you go back to the old name? Well, first of all, the biggest extreme is and a couple of of a few, a day or two, after I wrote my column a while back, he came out and said, you know, maybe it's time we should overtake the governing the district. Right. You know, he raised that possibility.

No, that possibility exists. The whole point in a column was he's a wild card that is coming to play in so many different ways with the district's future. So that's the extreme possibility that he literally decided. that Washington can't govern itself. Let's assume that doesn't happen. Okay. Then the more likely scenario, the easier scenario, is that they revive the control board,

the financial board that was put in place in the late 90s when Washington would have a financial problem by Congress to basically run the city finances. And anything the city spent money on for about, what, seven or eight years? Right. the control board. So, I mean, if the city is going to spend infrastructure money for a stadium, if the control

board is revived, they're going to have to get approval from that. That's going to have to come from Congress. And, you know, that right now the president pretty much, his party controls both houses. So there's a likely chance that they would stand in the way of that money that the city would want to spend for infrastructure, which could cost anywhere from $800 million to a billion dollars by the time it's all said and done. So that's one way they could get in the way by reviving the control board being in charge of the city's finances, which are hurting right now. Their bond rating just got dropped, and they're facing their own financial issues.

So that's one way that President Trump and the Republican legislature could put the kibosh on the stadium. Now, I pointed out that Josh Harris has a relationship with President Trump. Right. He was an advisor on issues the first time around, and he's been a campaign contributor. So, you know, I think that's the currency for this. White House. Yeah, I mean, maybe Josh Harris is sitting back saying, we'll let him do the dirty work on this and we'll go to the league and say, our hands are tied. We've got to go back to the old name. Look, this is exciting. Let me just point out for a lot of people. The idea that Trump and the

federal government could force the team by holding the land and the new stadium in D.C. hostage for a move back to the old name. I would point out that his comments, he did actually acknowledge a difference between Redskins and Chiefs and Indians, other Indian names, which, by the way, there is a difference. Redskins is dictionary defined. That's been the only, you know,

that's been the only move that the other side's been able to make for decades. But it doesn't, you know, make what, is reality that Native Americans in mass have said that that dictionary definition aside, we don't have a problem with it. We don't think it's insensitive. We don't think it's racist. We like the name. We've followed this story.

We've talked about this story for years. Native Americans overwhelmingly everywhere have not, don't have an issue. There are some that have an issue, but it's been an overwhelming poll debate on Native Americans. And we've seen it, you know, in various, you know, Native American communities play out with the Redskins team name. We've seen it in the state of Washington, in the state of Arizona, in the state of Oklahoma, where there's been Native American fight to say to progressives who are non-Natives stop telling us what we should be offended by. It's insulting. We want to keep this name. We like this name, Redskins.

That aside, he did acknowledge the difference. I would point that out. And there is, and I still would make the case that I've made for 15 years, just petition Webster's in all the dictionaries for a second definition of the word. Redskins noun, non-pejorative, the football team that plays in Washington. Because that's what the word has meant for 50 plus years. All right, beyond that, this control board thing that you wrote about a few months ago, that's the vehicle if they wanted to create a problem.

because I think your extreme example is extreme, and I wouldn't expect that to happen. I'd bet against it. But this DC Financial Control Board that you brought to everybody's attention a few months back was created during the Clinton administration when he, by the way, was working all the time with a Republican Congress, Newt Gingrich, and the city couldn't manage their budget. And they created this control board with five members from Congress to basically run the finances of the city. They did away with it in 2001 when the city went four straight years of balancing their budget. But they can bring it back, as Tommy said. That would be the way to do it because

we've already gotten the transfer of the land back to the city. They can't do anything about that anymore. Unless they use what they've been using recently, which is, sorry, you've got to cut the budget by another $410 million. Sorry, now you've got to cut the budget by another $800 million, which would maybe put them out of the

$850 million of contribution to the new stadium. I don't know. Look, there are enough normal wild cards in a stadium and a stadium issue that pop up without the unusual situation of having the president of the United States involved. Right, right.

I mean, there are going to be enough difficulties as it is for this to happen. And this is, I pointed out when I wrote this, this is something that could be a major difficulty for the district. Yep. Yeah. But it's so unpredictable. These hurdles you've been talking about, and yeah, I mean, you still, I still think the odds are heavily in favor of the stadium ending up back at the RFK site. They'll clear all the hurdles. And with respect to this issue, I hate to say it because I'd really love it if it actually, you know, if there was a way to bring the old name back.

because look, the challenge that Josh Harris and company have had is that Redskins hasn't been an option. You know, the other path to a new name that isn't commanders is complex and expensive and isn't going to satisfy everybody. But that's because Redskins wasn't a possibility. Redskins isn't a possibility because the league doesn't want it as much as, you know, a lot of other people don't want it. They've got major corporate sponsors who say their consumers and their shareholders would have an issue. And since it's already gone, why would we want it back and have to deal with the same issues we dealt with with decades, even if it was a minority of voices when it came to anti-name? So bringing back the Redskins, make no mistake about it, Tommy, would be a home run for the organization locally.

and within the fan base. You know, you keep saying that, but what you don't know is how many people would then be turned off and walk away if the name was brought back. Less than are turned off right now and haven't come back. That's a guess by you. You don't know.

Well, I do know this. I do know that during a season in which they had the most exciting young player in the league, They won 12 games, two playoff games, and played in the NFC championship game. They didn't sell out the majority of their games with a smallish capacity size stadium. The television ratings weren't that much different than the year before when they were a horrible team. I'm not suggesting that interest didn't increase. I felt it anecdotally.

I felt it in numbers. All of us did. The tent, the bubble, got larger. It did, but it's not anywhere near all the way back. And I pointed out the other day. They have not even come close to selling out the games for next year. There are plenty of seats and good seats still available at Northwest Field for what should be the most anticipated regular season in 30-plus years.

Yeah. Again, you don't know if that's the name or if it's the damage. from... Fair? From the Snyder regime. It's both. We'll never know. It's probably both.

It's probably both. Remember their own... Their own internal polling and surveying from about a year ago that got leaked, they asked about the name, and it was overwhelming. Change the name. I know that.

Yeah. I know. Now, whether or not the year of Jaden Daniels and 14 wins and two playoff wins changed it that much. We'll see. But I'm just looking for clues. I'm looking for clues that tell me it has made a massive 180-degree turn and we're back to where we were. I'm not talking about in the 80s and 90s, but just like in 2012, because the fan base was alive and well during the RG3 season and a much bigger mass following than we had last year. The numbers

kind of bear that out. Yeah. I would say that this is going to lead to nowhere. That's my prediction. What's yours? I would say the name issue, I would say yes. That's not going to go. This is not going to lead to any particular change. I would agree with you.

Yeah. Would love to see it happen because I could immediately, I feel it. I could immediately, I feel it right now. A change back to that name and the old uniforms, and I would feel so much differently about the team. All right, anything else? I got nothing else for you, boss.

All right, I got nothing else. I will be back with a show. I'm going to try to do a show early before radio tomorrow. It won't be late tonight. It'll be early and try to get a post-draft show up and out much earlier than typical. So enjoy it tonight. Let's see what happens.

Back tomorrow. Thanks, Tommy. Okay, boss. Bias from outside, and he got it. Lynn Bias with 29. Oh, my. 547 left. Maryland down by six.

And while we were away in commercial, Kevin and I were talking. and I have to agree with you, Mr. Kylie, if Maryland pulls this off, it's an all-timer. To be down 31-0 to the sixth-ranked team in the country on their field, and turn around and come back and get them. Right to throw again off of play action. Throwing deep, and he's got a man out there, Hill!