The Kevin Sheehan Show - Washington's #7 Possibilities

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

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Window Nation, 86690 Nation. WindowNation.com, if you need new windows. We're getting started later than usual today. And I'm sharing that with everybody because I wanted to talk about where I just got back from. my dog needs another ACL surgery. They actually don't call it an ACL and a bulldog. They call it a CCL. But it's the ACL equivalent.

And I had to take her, Tommy, and you know this, because as I said, is there any chance you can do it much later today? Because I have to drive to Annapolis to see an orthopedic, a veterinary orthopedic. And this guy's great. He did her surgery three years ago. ago she had the, you know, the repair of the CCL or the ACL equivalent. And I just said, why don't you open up an office in D.C. or Bethester or somewhere closer?

Because apparently he's the only guy you can really go to if you've got an issue with knees, elbows, paws. And let me just tell you, you used to live out in those parts. it took me an hour in 15 minutes to get back here at 4.15 in the afternoon. That's, the traffic in our city is terrible. From 3 to 7.30, it's just insane. Insane. And I looked at the other side of the Beltway when I got onto the Beltway from 95, and it wasn't moving at all.

I actually had it pretty good. I put it into ways on the way back just to see what the time was and if there was like a better way to go. Because sometimes when I am coming down 95, sometimes now because I live in D.C., it will take me through the city to get to my house. But still more times than not, it takes me to 495. I go around the Beltway and I get off at Glen Echo and Clenecto. Barthin Parkway right there, you know, right before you get into Virginia and you get to the bridge to cross over into Virginia. But an hour and 15 minutes, and I'm telling you, if I had been going the opposite direction, it would have been two hours. If I had been going to Annapolis

from D.C. But here's the other thing. You know, these surgeries, and fortunately, it's not like, we don't have to get it done right now because we actually have a couple of trips planned in May in June for some vacation time. And so we'll do it in July. So I just said, he said, you want me to send you the estimate. How much do you think a veterinary orthopedic, the equivalent of an ACL surgery costs?

I'd say $4,200. $4,200. Keep going. $6,700. Right. Keep going. A little bit more. $8,000.

Just a little bit less than that. Okay. I mean, I remember when we got this done three years ago. And you know what? I think because people will do anything for their pets, whatever, whatever the number is. And I don't have, we don't have pet insurance, because bulldogs are notorious for getting these things.

This is very typical for her to have the, knee issues and there will be other health issues with bulldogs. And so it's expensive to have insurance for bulldogs. She's not covered under Blue Cross Blue Shield? She is not covered under Blue Cross Blue Shield. No. Does Blue Cross Blue Shield still exist? Yes, it still exists.

Okay. I mean, I think... Maybe it doesn't still exist. Well, I mean, like, when I go to the doctor and I see the insurances that they take, for whatever reason, it feels like I haven't seen Blue Cross Blue Shield in a long time. Listen, one of the great insurance programs of all time is Blue Cross Blue Shield Federal Employee Program. Ooh, I bet it was. I bet it was.

And still it. And we still have that as a secondary. How long? Because I'm in, I'm in the Medicare territory now, buddy. Okay. Well, how long after, like, Liz finished working for the government. How long will she keep and have access to those benefits?

Well, as long as she pays it, you know, which is much less than you will pay. As long as she pays the amount forever. Wow. Pretty good deal. Just like her annuity. No cobra. No cobra when you're a government employee. You just keep that stuff.

Yeah. I mean, you got to pay, but you don't pay as much as you. you would out of pocket normally. Right. $7,800. What's the name of your... Can you tell us the name of your dog? Yeah.

I've talked about my name. Her name's Lainey. I've talked about Lainey before in the show. Not a lot. But she is truly in our family. She might be the most loved living thing in our family. I think between my son, Corbyn and his girlfriend and Riley. They live in Nashville.

They're musicians. And, you know, they lived with us for a while. Right. Kara, me, my son, Ryan. Casey doesn't have it, but all, two, four, five of us, and actually Riley's sister, who works

for Kara, Olivia, she also has Laney as her screensaver. So she's, they're like seven of us with, is that seven, two, four, five, six, six of us. with her as our screensaver. And she really is, anybody that's ever had an English bulldog,

they are just the most loving, loyal dogs. And she's been that for us. And she's been a great dog. And she's six now. And bulldogs have kind of a, typically a shorter lifespan because of their breathing. But sometimes they live until 13, 14, 14. 15. I mean, that's a really good run.

But, yeah, we're going to go ahead and get the surgery for $7,800. You think I could haggle the deal? Does the dog go in a hospital? Yeah, she's got to go in and they do the surgery and she stays overnight. At the vet, wherever they do the surgery, it's at the same place that I just went to. So it'll be another drive out to Annapolis. Okay. Yeah.

I have a really good high school friend who's a vet. Do you wait during the surgery and does the doctor come out and say it went well or something like that? We didn't last time. They just called us. Okay. Yeah. It's a very, it's a very normal surgery, especially for these dogs. I mean, he's done probably, I think he said he's done, you know, literally thousands of them at this point.

Um, so yeah, I had dogs, uh, I had a dog growing up and we, we've had a couple of dogs here, uh, but I never had that kind of attachment. Oh, yeah, this is, uh, I think the first, we've had three dogs since we got married and since the kids, you know, were little. And our very first dog, I mean, his name was sailor and he was just, such a part of the family. And it was devastating when he passed away. And then we had this, you know, foo-foo-y dog that my, it was really more my wife's dog. She was like a King Cavalier, Bijan, some, I see how much I love this dog that I barely, I can't even tell you what kind of dog it was.

It was a little dog. And it was not nice. It was not a nice dog. She passed away about two years ago now, about a year and a half ago, and we've had Lainey for six years. So we did have two dogs for about four years. My wife wants to get another dog, and I think we might do that, because it's nice for them to have another dog in the house. I like dogs. This is just between us.

No one's listening. No one's listening. Really listening. Did you kill your wife's dog? No, no. No. No. The funny thing is this dog was, it was, her name was Piper. And Piper, the one person that she tended to not like what was me. Actually, she didn't like any of us except for my wife. But the one that took her for walks more than anybody, but I would do it when it got dark. I didn't like to be seen walking a little tiny dog that could have. could fit almost. Oh, God, of course not. Yeah. I mean, I, so I would take it kind of at night. Like, you know, once, once we got, in the wintertime, I could take it at 6, 6.37 and it was dark. But in the

summer, I'd have to wait until about 9, 30, 10 o'clock. But I was the one that walked her all the time. So that was the one thing that she liked me for. But no, I didn't, I would never have done that. I mean, I think I thought about it a couple of times. Um, sure you did. Yeah. But I You know, I didn't know. It's like the stories I used to tell you in Destin, when we used to go to Destin, Florida during a winter, and I'd see grown men pushing baby carriages with dogs. Yeah, that's a little white dog. That's never going to be. I mean, it's no. It's how level is same. I just can't compensate it. I'm with you on that. I don't get that. Didn't Jack Kent Cook have a tiny little dog that he almost wrapped up in his ascot? Yeah, Coco. What kind of dog was Coco?

Do we know? It was little, tiny. I don't know, but he used to make the PR guys walk the dog for him when he'd be at practice. Let's see if AI comes up with it. No, no. Coco was a loyal, cocker spaniel. Well, no, this dog was, because our first dog was a cocker spaniel. That's not a little dog.

I mean, it's not a big dog. It's a mid-sized dog. I remember it being a smaller dog. Okay. Well, I just remember Coco. Yeah, I do remember Coco. I'm glad she's home and resting now, right? Yeah, she, you know, it's interesting that, and I think I've, we've talked about this before.

You know, when someone injures their ACL, tears their ACL, they actually can't injure it any further no matter what they do. and I'm pretty sure I've told this story before, but I had a kid who played basketball for me 10 years ago. It's at least 10 years ago. And he was an excellent football player too. He played at Whitman, the high school near my home or near my last home. His father was actually the football coach at Whitman. And I coached him in basketball on his travel team.

And then he played varsity at Whitman, too. He actually ended up playing basketball in college at Cornell. He had a game for me, Tommy, as a seventh grader, where he scored 39 points in a running clock game. You know, 17-minute halves running clock kind of a thing and scored 39. I'll never forget it. He was very good.

Anyway, in football, he was, I don't know what year he was. He was a wide receiver. I think he was an all, he may have been like honorable mention all met wide receiver. He was a really good football player, but he tore his ACL in his junior, senior year. I don't know what year it was. And I wasn't there for this, but I've heard the story told many times. In fact, I think it was his father who first told me the story.

They were playing a game, and he was kind of on crutches on the sideline. He had injured the ACL in the week or two before, and they're playing, you know, a rather important game, and it's the end of the game, and they're down four, and they've got the ball the other teams like 45-yard line. Well, the starting quarterback isn't capable of apparently throwing a Hail Mary into the end zone. He can't throw it that far. But Jake, who was the wide receiver, the kid who was on crutches with the torn ACL, he actually could throw it to the end zone.

So the story is that he, the father, who's the coach, called timeout, told his son to put some pads on and walk out there on a tornade take a shotgun snap and heave it into the end zone. Well, he did it. There's not a terrific ending to this story like he completed it. It was incomplete, but he got it to the end zone and they lost the game. But the way it was told to me, the parents were outraged that he would put his son out there on a torn ACL. But the coach knew what orthopedics know.

You can't injure further in ACL. And he had not had the surgery. It was scheduled, but he hadn't had the surgery. So he's just on crutches, you know, and he was able to throw the ball on a torn ACL to the end zone. So, but I can only imagine just certain parents, not every parent, but certain parents having no clue as to what, you know, had just happened just being outraged. Well, you know, it's not that simple. Look, buddy, it's not that simple. Oh, buddy, buddy.

Uh-oh. here it comes. Look, buddy. You might not be able to hurt your ACL anymore, but you're limited in your ability to protect yourself otherwise. Well, that's fair. Great. Okay. Just like every other player that would be out on the field at the same time.

So he could have been open to another kind of an injury. Could have gotten a concussion. Could have gotten hit. Could have separated his shoulder, buddy. I don't know. Out of all the guys on the field, if I had to target the one night, that was probably going to get hurt again,

it'd be the guy with an ACL. The guy that walked out onto the field with crutches and then ditched them and said, here, Mr. Ref, hold onto these. I'm going to throw it into the end zone. But anyway, the moral of the story, I guess, is you can't injure an ACL further. Once it's torn, it's torn. There's not much else you can do. And you can actually walk around on an ACL and even,

move quickly straight line, forward and backward. Now, she's, you know, she actually moves around, like, the only reason we knew it is that there's an occasional limp. All right, enough about my dog and enough about ACLs. I wanted to read this. It comes from Benny. Benny writes, hopefully Ned gave it one more night.

Nothing rocks like the garden for a playoff game. Benny is referring to Ned who emailed me the following Tommy yesterday. He said, Kevin, you do this to me every year. The NBA playoffs, the NBA playoffs. Every game was a blowout, and it was over the weekend. Here's something from you about you. And he says, how about under-promising and over-delivering, L-O-L? I'll give it one more try this week, but that's...

it. And then Benny writing about last night the incredible comeback by the hawks in the garden, led by CJ McCollum, who Tommy was traded by the Wizards for

Trey Young during the middle of the season, as you recall, and remember. Here's the thing that's really interesting about that trade, and I think everybody kind of understood it in the moment. When they traded C.J. McCollum for Tray Young. Tray Young was hurt, so he wasn't going to play for a while. Now, he ended up playing towards the end of the year. But when C.J. McCollum got traded, he had led the Wizards to a stretch of six wins in eight games. And I remember having

Josh Robbins from The Athletic on, and he said, look, they could have just sat McCollum, but with him playing, they were a competitive team and they were winning too much. And he played very well there for a stretch for them. So they got rid of him for a player that they could legitimately say he can't play because he's hurt. And that helped them because after the trade, they lost their next four games.

C.J. McCollum was so good last night in the garden. He didn't have a Reggie Miller-esque performance. because some of those performances, especially the night that he scored 25 in the fourth quarter and eight in the final 17 seconds in the mid-90s, is all-time epic. But he had 32 and hit every single big shot down the stretch as they rallied from 14 down,

12 down to start the quarter to win 107-106 over the Knicks in the Garden. Have you ever been to the Garden for a playoff game? I mean, I know you played on some Nick teams in playoff games, but have you ever been to a Knicks playoff game? No, I never have. I've never had the pleasure. You know what? I didn't even know the Hawks were in the playoffs

until I saw the score of this game. And I said, well, how can that be? They traded Tray Young. how could they possibly be in the playoffs after they traded this great player well the great player wasn't playing he was hurt I looked at and

and I saw that they went 28 and 15 after they traded him right well because he wasn't playing for them when they traded it and then I went back even further when he suffered his Sprangright MCL on October 29th and missed 22 games

before coming back. The Hawks went 13 and 9 while he was out. So they were okay. They were okay when he was out. 13 and 9 is decent. But they ended up finishing. If the Wizards go 13 and 9 in their first 22 games next year, they'll hold a parade for him.

You wrote a column about the Wizards last week. really enjoyed it. I laughed out loud. It was hysterically funny, but I'm guessing not everybody got the joke. Well, that was part of the problem. Here was the bigger problem. What? It got

33,000 impressions on X. That's a lot. Okay. Okay. That's a lot of people seeing it, seeing what I posted, reading the X, the tweet, whatever you want to call it these days. Yeah.

the posting, and getting a look at it, okay? Now, with a number like that, that's a lot for anything, let alone the wizards. Now, with a number like that, you figured there'd be a couple of thousand people who clicked on the column, like 10%, maybe, you think would click on the column and actually read it. Okay. No. 138 people stopped to click on the column and read it. which means most of the people who commented on this column and said things like,

you're stupid. Never read it. You're stupid. You don't understand the NBA. Don't you know they were trying to tanking? Yeah. You know, I mean, that was 80% of the comments were like that. We're like, don't you understand what they were trying to do?

I mean, how can this guy write about basketball and all this stuff? So it basically, it moved me. to respond the next day to all the comments. What did you respond? In one take. What did you respond? Well, I said, this is what's left of Wizards fans. Illiterate punching bags.

Yeah, well, let me just read the tweet that you put out with the story to see if it summed it up in a way that... All right, here it is. The Wizards apologized for an April Fool's Day joke, but where are the apologies for the other jokes this season? Where is the apology for putting themselves in a position where the worst record in the league is to be celebrated? Okay, I mean, I can see why people, look, people should know this about you, and I will just emphasize it. Just read Tommy's columns, sometimes the headline, sometimes even the tweet that I'm, accompanies the column is far from the whole story. This was funny.

This was sarcastic. Now, I know you believe to a certain degree that they've earned this of being in the position of where they have to lose. But Tommy understands what they were trying to do this year, that they were trying to lose as many games. And I even put that, I even wrote that out in the column. Yeah, you wrote it out in the column. I read it.

Yeah. I under it in a couple of sentences. But after I tweeted that out, I get this response. If they didn't secure a bad record, they would lose their pick and a loaded draft. And do you even do any research before writing? Well, they still literated. And this is my favorite one. It's from a guy who describes himself as a, on his ex-account, it's a content creator.

Okay. he says to me, from one journalist to another, one journalist to journalist, you shouldn't call the fans of the team you cover illiterate punching bad. So I responded, I could have really insulted them and called them content creators. Yeah. Because that's what they're doing for you.

Yeah, I mean, God, I love when you get somebody who, you know, They're not. But that's all. People are judging that I didn't know what I was talking about. Not whether they disagreed with me, but I didn't know what I was talking about. Yeah, but they didn't read. Like I'm reading the tweet that you just referenced. The guy, Kyle, you know, dollar sign. Huh?

Question mark, question mark, five question marks. If they didn't secure a bad record, they lose their pick in a loaded draft. Did you even do any research before writing this? Hey, Kyle, did you even read the story before tweeting what you tweeted? The answer would be clearly not. Yeah, but you get, I mean, that's social media for you. Nobody's going to sit there. Most of these people with the attention spans, they're not going to read your story.

Even though, let me just say about Tommy's stories, you can read them in about 45 seconds. It's doable in less than a minute. This was a good one, though. Anyway, it just got. so much a reaction, but yet nobody read it. No, no, no, no, clearly. Yeah. Yeah, this was a good one from you.

I'm just looking through because I read it the other day. I just want to, you know, Tommy writes, The Washington Wizards were funnier than perhaps at any time in their comical past this season. If there was an NBA banner for funniest team in the league, and were probably an Amazon Prime season or two away from one, there would be a ceremony next year to hang one from the Capital One Arena Rafters. They made April Fool's Day, their own with a prank that brought embarrassment and scorn to the franchise.

For a team that would go on to lose 65 games the most in the league, that was quite the accomplishment. Yes, the prank during the April 1 game against the 76ers featured a blindfolded fan who tried a half-court shot for a chance to win $10,000. He missed. But the mascots on the court pretended he drained it, handing him an over-eastern. size check. The mascot then took the check away and offered an autographed jersey and court side tickets.

Social media remembered that the Wizards were still an NBA franchise and roasted them for the jokes so much so that the team had to apologize for it. By the way, you know, do you know that I forget

if we did this together because I think it was on radio that I said this, but I probably said it on the podcast with you too. But I, Immediately that morning after, you know, Max had shown me, my producer had shown me what had happened, I said, that's not right. This is not, look, I understand what they were trying to do, but for a franchise who's lucky to have anybody at the game, this is just a bit off. You know, there's just not, there's something that doesn't smell right about this. and I even suggested, did we talked about this, didn't we together?

We had to. Yeah, we did. Yeah. And on radio that morning, I said, it smells almost like maybe the guy was in on it. Well, he was. He was an employee of the team. The whole thing was fabricated. And then they took so much heat, they had to apologize.

But in that moment, and I guess after we talked about it, a lot of people hammered me for being just, oh, come on, dude, lighten up. I'm like, no, it's not about lightning up. It's about whether or not there are people out there that are going to take it seriously like it's an affront, and I guessed that they would, and they did, which is why the team had to offer an apology. But the thing that I said on radio, that I don't know that I said to you, but it is one of my all-time favorite Tom Levero lines.

And the situation reminded me of this line because the situation was this guy, you know, once he was told, hey, you didn't actually make the shot, you didn't actually win $10,000. But hey, we've got a ticket for you for a game next year. It almost felt like punishment to give him that as a second prize.

And it just reminded me of the time that you said about DJ Swernger when he got released on Christmas Eve. you said if the team really wanted to punish him, they would have made him stay instead of releasing him. And it's like, hey, this poor guy didn't get $10,000 and then on top of it, they're going to make them come back to another game next year. Man, that was a bit of a train wreck for them on April Fool's for sure. Self-inflicted, too.

I pointed that out my column that everyone, their quote was, everyone was it on the joke. Yeah. You know? And I pointed out manufactured suffering as if the real stuff they do out nightly to the sparse home crowd of Capitol one arena wasn't enough. Yeah, exactly. Manufactured suffering. But you know what?

It's a pot. It's a new day next year. You're going to have Anthony Davis, going to have Trey Young healthy. It will be an interesting team to watch. Even I will give you that. Yeah, but whoever you're number one ticket. You're giving that to people like me, but secretly you believe that it's going to end up being a complete train wreck again, and it would be better if it happens that way for you.

You know what? I don't know. Look, I think they have developed some good young players, okay? But I don't know how you can judge them based on games that they played. You know, I'm always wary of judging people in a losing context. agree with that. That's why they had to... Okay, so I don't know if they're going to turn out to be. You're right. You know, the answer.

You're... You know, although you do know... Who knows who will get in the draft? Who knows who they'll get in the draft? It may be a game-changing player. It could be, but you do know that Anthony Davis, when fully healthy, is a legit, you know,

somewhere between 5 and 10 in the league. You do know that. Yes. Yes. I just have my doubts that You should have debts. And B can stay healthy a year later. By the way, do you know Anthony Davis has a TV show? I do.

It's a prank show, right? It's like a, yeah. And not on, not on, not on Ted's little network. No, it's on T&T. TBS, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I haven't watched it, but actually somebody told me that it was pretty funny. Like it was legit, it was legit funny.

I should let him handle the April 4's promotions from now on. Yeah, I haven't watched it. By the way, real quickly, so McCollum really is and has been throughout his career, just one of those guys that gets buckets. Like, he is just a bucket getter and always has been. And that backcourt with him and Lillard, it was never good enough to legitimately contend. But last night, there's something about, watching, you know, as Benny wrote, there's something about Madison Square Garden when it is

lit like it was last night. And it is for the playoffs every year. I have been to a Knicks playoff game. It was back in the mid-90s. They played New Jersey. And I went up there with a friend and saw a playoff game in the garden. And it was exceptional. I mean, it really was great. And it was different from the regular, I think I've been to two Knicks' regular season games. over the years. But, you know, I think it fires up the opponents to play in the garden. It always did it to Jordan. You know, it did it to, like...

I think so. Yeah. When you play in a hallowed arena like that, in front of, by the way, New York fans are great sports fans. And they're knowledgeable, you know, NBA basketball fans. But that was, you could see it with McCollum. He was just like, and he was hunting Jalen Brunson. I mean, Brunson had no chance defensively against McCollum.

It was kind of cool to see a 34-year-old do something like that in that environment. I think that's always fun. He missed two key free throws, though, at the very end, and the Knicks had a chance to win the game, but they didn't. All right. Enough about dogs, ACLs, April Fool's, Pranks, and C.J. McCollum. We've got some football to talk about because it is draft week. And we'll get to that starting next after these words from a few of our sponsors. Okay, guys, I'm about to tell you about the most incredible, unforgettable gift you can get mom this Mother's Day.

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All right, Tommy, we are two days away from the draft. And, you know, this is lying season. This is everybody's got a different report season. And I'm talking about the credible people, you know, the Schifters and the McShay's and the Peter Schrager's. And they've all got different people going to different places. What's interesting about this draft to me, you know, putting aside the fact that, you know, nobody's going to be right more often than they're wrong about this thing. but it's just that after the first pick in the draft, Fernando Mendoza, number one to the Raiders,

basically number two through nine, you know, eight picks are really eight players or nine players, maybe ten in total, that have been mocked to everybody at some point during the spring, during the winter and spring. Like, Arvel Reese has been mocked more often to the Jets at two, but David Bail. he's gone to the Jets at 2. We've seen, you know, Carnell Tate, believe it or not, mocked to the Jets at 2.

The Cardinals have basically had David Bailey, Arvel Reese, Sunny Stiles, Cornell Tate, Jeremiah Love, all of these players mocked. It's like this group of, you know, I'll take the offensive linemen out of it because there are going to be a couple of

offensive linemen, or at least one, picked in that, you know, 2 through 9 range. But Reese, Bailey, Stiles, Tate, Love, Delane, Bain, Downs, are all players that have been mocked

to basically all eight of those teams between number two and number nine. Washington's had the following players mocked to them by even major mock drafters and draft analysts. Sunny Stiles, Carnell Tate,

Jeremiah Love, Mansour Delane, Ruben Bain, Caleb Downs. I mean, six different players have been mocked to Washington. So the drama is after one, nobody really knows what's going to happen. And for that to happen so early in a draft, I think it's somewhat unusual, you know, that the order of all of those players could be almost anything at this point once Mendoza comes off. the board. So that's

the drama here is it's going to start early on Thursday night in Pittsburgh where they're expecting I think 800,000 over three days. The estimate for next year, by the way, is over a million now in D.C. Yeah. Over three years. Yeah. So

anyway, that's I mean, I've talked about who I like. I mean, if it's Bailey or Bain and I don't think Bailey would be there, I would not trade back even if an offer existed if one of those two players was on the board. Other than that, I'd be looking to trade back. If they can't trade back, then Bailey, Bain, Tate, styles are all players that I'd be okay with at seven.

Love's too high for me at seven. Mansour Delane, I'd rather trade back, you know, two spots maybe with the Chiefs and take him there. and pick up, you know, another third rounder. I'd like them to get more picks in this draft unless Bailey falls, which I don't think he will. And I have a feeling they won't take Bain because of the short arms. They're heavy on a lot of that analytics stuff. And short-armed edge rushers have had problems in the NFL. But I love the player.

You wrote about the draft today. So what was it that was on your mind about Thursday night? Well, I'm focused on, and this will come into play, like, based on what you just said, it could be a little bit chaotic after the first pick. Right. And there's less time the teams have to make their picks. They're losing two minutes. Yeah. All for the time they have to make their pick.

Right. You know, and that could even create, so they'll have less time to react and move quickly to guys. picked ahead of them, you know, that they had it planned. So they probably have a plan, A, B, C, D, and E and F. You know, so I wrote about that and how there's another time clock ticking that the owner mentioned at the owner's meeting for a couple weeks ago. He said, you know, times are wasting. We have a young quarterback.

Right. And that's the time clock, I think that's ticking for Adam Peters as well, is that they can't, through no fault of their own last year, injuries, but for whatever reason, they really can't afford to waste any more years with Jayden Daniels under this, under a rookie contract deal. They need to make A this year. Okay. What does May Kay mean to you?

I haven't read your column yet because you just sent it to me. What does Make Hay mean to you? Well, I just think that they need, I think, I think, look, if this team is this good as a Jane Daniels team, you know, we think can be, that's double-digit, double-digit wins and a trip to the playoffs. Right. Now, that could be 10 wins, okay? But that's what I mean by making, hey, not like last year.

Right. Okay, which, again, I recognize, you know, they were, they had an unbelievable injury situation last year. and it's hard to make judgments on that. But I think that that's why they can't afford to trade this, the seventh pick. Okay, because they're not going to have a pick this high if things work out for a long time. Right. Okay. And I think they need to take advantage of that and get a top 10 player.

So I don't want to see them trade back. And if they do get a top 10 player, I talked about how, you know, know, that they should be drafting for need. The need in this case, though, is how can we help Jayden Daniels? That's the need. Now, the defensive signings in free agency certainly help the quarterback because you had a quarterback when he was healthy last year who was playing often from behind and often deep in his own territory.

And the defense, you know, can help, you know, level the playing field, give your offensive better field position. So that is helping Jane Daniels. I get that. And the defense was so woeful last year. They had to address it in free agency. But I think they could need to go for a top offensive player

here. Either running back or a wide receiver. Yeah, I mean, here's the problem with this draft. And again, you've got to preface all of this draft talk with that is the, you know, I guess

consensus opinion among those that have turned this into an industry, you know, draft analysis, but they're usually wrong. But the consensus is this is a real limited blue chip player draft. And, you know, where that cutoff is, is it at six, is it at eight, is it at ten? I mean, I've read various, you know, draft, you know, reports that suggest that there are only 11 or 12 players in total that have first round grades, let alone true elite blue chip grades. I mean, I look at this draft and what the hell do I know? But I see a quarterback that I actually really, look, there's a personality thing with Fernando Mendoza that I just haven't got my arms around in terms of what kind of leader, what kind of

locker room guy, all that stuff. There is definitely something different about him, but in terms of the physical talent and the size, I love Mendoza. I mean, that dude can sling it, and he is super accurate. So, like, I think he has, I think he does personally have Blue Chip talent. I think David Bailey does. I think Ruben Bain does. After that, I don't know. I mean, those are the only guys that I would be so in love with, you know, in terms of taking them in the top 10. So, and then there's the thought that there are a lot of good players in the draft with potential to be starters and contributors and even really good players. And at certain positions, O'Lon, wide receiver in particular, you know, that these, you know, could go, you know, into the second,

third round, into Friday night. I'll tell you one thing, it's not a great draft for running backs, but again, that's the way they're evaluated right now. So with respect to what you said, first of all, the only player I want to take at seven in the draft is a player, the player, that is that the top of my board that I have the most confidence in becoming a star player. Because you'd like to think when drafting at seven, that there's, if you do it right and you get the right guy, that player should be a star player. That, that player should have, you know, a pro bowl career. It usually doesn't happen. You know, usually the majority of the top 10 don't end up with multiple Pro Bowls, but that's what you're striving for when you're drafting that high. And to your point,

they're not going to be in this position if Jaden Daniels is healthy that often. But can they get that player in this draft? I don't know. That's why I'm more in favor of trading back and getting as many picks to try to get as many good players to really good players. And hopefully you hit on a couple if you can draft eight or nine versus six. Yeah. I think the chances of them getting somebody who can help them this year are right there at seven. I don't think that they certainly don't increase further back.

You might be able to get some developmental players back there, you know, but I just think they need, they need to draft to help their quarterback now. that's what I think. Yeah, it's just, what's interesting about that is, yes, Josh Connerley played a lot of football last year and got better as the season went on and ended up being a big contributor. But the second biggest contributor, you know, based on overall, you know, you know, yards, stats, etc., was their seventh round selection,

Jacori Kroski Merritt. So you just, you don't know. But yeah, you'd like to think that, especially, by the way, I will say this, if the best chance of getting a player that contributes immediately would be Jeremiah Love because that's the position that typically is ready to go right from the jump. And if they're mature, meaning that they've also developed the ability to kind of read defenses to pass block, to catch passes, and Jeremy Love has all of that.

You know, he would be the one that out of all of these guys that probably would be ready to go in 26 and would be an impact player, whether or not that would be the best long term, and he'd be the best player long term is a different story. I think Carnell Tate would be ready to go. I think he is a polished receiver ready to play on this football team right now.

And I, if they go offense, I'd be happy with either, either of them. If they go offense, I'd prefer to be Tate than Love. I've said that many times before. I know that most people listening don't agree with that. I think the thing that would make our fan base the angriest on Thursday night is if Jeremiah Love is on the board and they don't take them. that's the only thing I can see making the fan base angry. Jeremiah Love and the evaluation of him has taken on a life of its own. You know, nationally, locally, the whole thing.

And if he's there at seven, first of all, if he's there at seven, wouldn't you wonder why, given that people essentially have him as the number one, number two, or number three player on, you know, in this draft in total. And there are teams like Tennessee and maybe even Arizona and maybe even the Giants that should be interested. But if he's on the board and our team doesn't take him, our fans are going to be angry. I think there's only one player that they could take, you know, assuming Bailey's not there, assuming Reese isn't there, that, you know, if Sunny Stiles were there, I think that

he's gotten enough publicity during the last month. month, month and a half, that our fans wouldn't be displeased with that. But if they took Carnell Tate over love, and Peter Schrager, I mean, I'll find the quote here, but Peter Schrager essentially said his information is that Washington is all in on Carnell Tate at 7, if he's there. That would be exciting. I'll read you the quote. Where is it?

quote, I've heard Carnell Tate is their guy. This could change, but Carnell Tate could be sitting there at seven. You pair him with Terry McLaren and you go to work, closed quote. So he thinks Carnell Tate is, quote, their guy, Washington's guy at seven. Let me ask you a question. Hypothetical. Let's say you drafted a guy who was as good as Terry McLauran. And Terry McClureen was the third round pick.

Would that be good? Oh, my God. It's hard to find receivers as good as Terry. I'd like to think that at 7, and I actually believe that there's a chance this would be the case that you end up with a player better than Terry at 7, and I think Carnell Tate actually has some attributes that could actually put him at a level down the road

that's higher than where Terry's ever been. But look, Terry's been, you know, a really, really good number one NFL wide receiver. You got them in the third round. If you got that at number seven overall, you might be, you know, no, because there's just as good of a chance that the player's not going to amount to anything. So would I take Terry number two right now at seven? if you told me that's what I was getting I'd look to trade back but it's better than

you know what the odds say which is you won't end up with somebody as good as Terry at 7 but I'd like it to be somebody better than Terry because this is a conversation that just always sparks

so much outrage from some of you listening to it like so many of you think I am a Terry hater I'm not I just don't think he's the elite receiver that many of you think he is. And there's nothing wrong with that. He's a really good NFL receiver. He's certainly one of the best 15 to 16, 17 receivers in the NFL.

There are a lot of great receivers in the NFL. Tommy, it might be right now in the NFL now that I think about it. It might be the position that has the most elite-level players. at it. Like, there are, there are, there are 15 guys.

Well, there are eight or nine guys that are truly like, I mean, better than a lot of people that have ever played the game. I mean, you think about just from last year alone,

like every year, another guy or two emerges. Puka Nukua was the guy last year. I mean, Jackson Smith Najigba. Nobody had him as an elite wide receiver before the season began last year. I mean, all of a sudden, the Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, one-two combo,

and I still consider them to be the two best in terms of what their true upside is, but JSN and Pooka and Kukuoka Nakua are outrageous as receivers. Yes. Yes. I think I might be right about that. I think there are more elite players at wide receiver than any other positions. position right now in the league. It's certainly not quarterback. Elite-wise, it's not running back. Elite-wise, it's not tight end, although there are a lot of really, really exceptional tight ends. Pass rushers, maybe. Maybe it's pass rushers.

Because there are some insane defensive players in football right now, from Miles Garrett to Will Hunter Jr., to Aidan Hutchinson. T.J. Watt, Trey Hendrickson. I mean, there are a lot. Nick Benito emerged last year as truly an elite playmaker. Micah Parsons was hurt last year, but he's that player. Then on the interior, you've got guys like Jeffrey Simmons and Dexter Lawrence. There are, yeah, there are some elite level defensive players. All right. So you're hoping that they select a player that helps them right away. More than anything else, that's what you're really saying. That's what I think. I think that that's the one need they do have to address.

Would be interesting if we're sitting here a year from now, you know, after the window opens for a long-term contract for Jaden Daniels, if he ends up having an injury-riddled season two years in a row and the team underperforms because of that, and let's just say it's, six and 11, because five and 12 twice in a row, I don't know that we could bear that. I don't think we could bear six and 11 either. But what an interesting situation that would create if he got injured in back-to-back seasons and they weren't good. I think that's one of the things Josh Harris is talking about.

I don't think they want to have to negotiate a contract with anything but certainty about what they've got. and another year like last year increases the uncertainty sure because of the if it's injury related 100% sure

if he ends up missing you know basically 13 the majority of 13 games because he's got three or four different injuries that will make that conversation an interesting one honestly though

I think the talent is so high that it would have to be like a career-altering injury for them not to pay him next off-season. I think even if he got injured and missed a few games, but it was like last year there wasn't one super-serious injury. It was just three or four that kept him out of the majority of games, and because of it, they went six and eleven. I think they're paying him. Oh, I think so too, but the negotiation would be a lot less complicated if he plays, if, if you have seen like he did his rookie year. That's true. It'd be more expensive, but it'd be less complicated.

Yes, 100%. And remember, they also have the fifth year option. You know, next spring, I think would be May 1st, would be if they don't have a long-term deal, they'd obviously pick up the option. but that wouldn't prevent them from continuing to negotiate something with him heading into his fourth season or doing something during his fourth season or after his fourth season. So there are possibilities where a deal doesn't get done with Jaden Daniels long term in, you know, January, February, March of next year and it's not tragic. You know, there could be, what we just laid out would be a difficult. situation to even identify what the value would be. And it might even be a situation where Jaden wouldn't want to be in a position of

negotiating a long-term deal if he had back-to-back seasons of barely playing football. So, you know, they'd all look at that fourth year with the fifth year option picked up as the year that's going to determine the size of the deal. All right. We wanted to go back down memory lane in Washington's drive. draft history and talk about the best pick ever and the worst pick ever in franchise history. We'll do that next after these words from a few of our sponsors. So I wear glasses.

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I don't know much about scotch whiskey. You know a scotch guy? Not really. Yeah, there's a certain kind of image that comes when you're smoking a cigar and you're drinking like a scotch whiskey. Yeah. It's a little bit different. Okay?

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It was a lot of fun. A lot of tastings. A lot of tastings. I wish we did that. We didn't do that when I was there two years ago. Yeah. Like you. We did the Guinness tour, and that was disappointing.

That was a tourist trap. Yeah, very much a tourist trap. Are you a Guinness person or not? I drank it exclusively. when I was in Ireland. So, you know, I figured I'm there. I'll drink it. Yeah.

But normally no. I'm normally not a, I'll drink Guinness. It's not my favorite. Like when I was there, I drank a lot of the harp, you know, when it was an option instead of Guinness. Right. But, yeah, Guinness is fine. Guinness is fine.

Certainly it's terrific on St. Patty's Day, Tommy. That's a beer you got to drink on St. Patrick's Day. or if you're in Ireland, when in Rome. Yep. All right. So I did this on radio the other day and took calls on it. And it was, you know, just talking about drafts in the past. I think we do something similar to this pretty much every year.

And, you know, the one thing that I wanted to mention is just, you know, every time I think about this franchise's history in drafting players, there was no draft. that set this team up for its best run ever, like the 1981 draft. Mark May in the first round, Russ Grimm in the third round. They traded their second round pick for Joe Washington. You know, to the Colts for Joe Washington, that was huge. Dexter Manley in the fifth round, Charlie Brown in the eighth, Darrell Grant in the ninth, Clint Didier in the 12th.

Now, Rigo and Thysman and George Stark and Jeff Bostic, you know, terms of the hogs. They were already here. And, you know, so there were players that were significant to the championship run in Joe Gibbs' first run. But that 81 draft without debate is the greatest draft in franchise history. Now, if you're going to take me back to 47 or 42 or 59 when they were, you know, selecting 19 players in drafts, the 81 draft Tommy was, I think, the fourth or fifth year. of the 12-round draft, because it was 17 rounds during much of the 70s and even going back into the 60s. It went to 12 rounds beginning in 1977. And in that 81 draft, they just

dominated. They nailed so much of it. And that's where, for me, the best draft pick in franchise history comes from. When you consider the value, of number 69 overall in the third round, drafting Russ Grimm, who became basically the best guard of the decade in the 80s and a Hall of Famer. I think Russ Grimm, and there are a lot of choices, I mean, there are plenty of choices here, but I think for the value, Russ Grimm is the best draft pick in franchise history, at least in my lifetime of watching. this team draft. If you're going to hit me with Sammy Baugh in 37, I can't, I guess I can't dispute that. But for my lifetime, Russ Grimm, third round, best value, best player for the value in

franchise history. Who's your best? Well, look, this bothers me a little bit. I know you want me to play a certain way. I'm not going to play that way. You can play whatever way you want. Okay. Because I am going to go back in history. because I consistently see history like diminished and just tossed away. Well, Russ Grimm's history. I know that, but I'm going to talk about real history far farther back than that. You mentioned Sammy Ball. That is the greatest first round draft pick in the history of the franchise.

That's a guy who put the team on the map in Washington. They had failed in Boston. They had just come to Washington. he put the heat, he turned the team into a phenomenon in the city and led them to an NFL championship his first year. One of the greatest quarterbacks ever, certainly the greatest quarterback of his time. So, I mean, just because stuff happened, I mean, that's like, I'm not blaming you, but it happens. That's like saying, let's say 30 years from now, there's some host on the radio saying,

Russ Grimm, what are you kidding me? That's the ancient day. That doesn't matter. I won't. So it does matter, though. It's just that, you know, how many teams and how many players? If I sped it up. Yeah.

If I set it up to a more moderate. Speed it up for the crowd. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Chris Hamburgers to most value. Well, you didn't really, you didn't really speed it up that much.

Whoa. You are on the earth then? Huh? You were walking the earth when Chris Hamburger play? Yeah, I know, but what year was he drafted in? 65. 65 in the 18th round. 18th round. 18th round.

18th round. And he's a Hall of Famer. Can you speed it up a little more? No, I refuse. Chris Hamburger. 18th round, 1965 draft Hall of Famer. In terms of, you know, just scrolling through all their drafts real quickly. That would be the latest round in which the team drafted a Hall of Fame

player. And actually, let me just see after Chris Hanberger, who would be next? 65 Handberger. Let's see, Hall of Fame. Well, that's it, because the draft, you know, went to 17 rounds, then it went to 12 rounds. And if we move it into this, the last 50 years since 76, the latest the team drafted a Hall of Famer may have been Russ Grimm. Yeah, it was. It was Russ Grimm. That was the latest third round in the last 50 years.

So third round, Russ Grimm. All right. Chris Hamburger, 18th round. I mean, and tell you what, he was one hell of a player. I mean, he would go clothesline on every quarterback that he would try to tackle and it was legal back then.

Now, in terms of, let me give you a couple of others, though, just that came up, and I had written down a bunch of these. Daryl Green at 28 in the first round is certainly pretty good. I mean, you waited until the end of the first round.

That was the last pick. They only had 28 teams in the league. They were the Super Bowl champions for that 83 draft. Marino went the pick before. That's a hell of a pick. You know, a pick like Brian Mitchell in the fifth round. I mean, he is second to Jerry Rice, all-purpose, all-time yardage. And he was drafted in the fifth round. Yeah. Stephen Davis in the fourth round. Look, some of his damage was done with the Panthers when he moved on from Washington, but what a player he was for a fourth round selection. Gary Clark was selected in the second round out of the

USFL in the NFL's 84 supplemental draft. How about that value? Supplemental draft, second round, 55th player overall. Dexter Manly, fifth round. The greatest pass rush, pass rush and in our franchise's history. And then Art Monk at 18th in the first round. But Grimm, a Hall of Famer, third round is number one for me.

Now, the worst draft, and we'll get to our worst picks in franchise history, I think you can make a strong case that the 2008 draft was the worst draft in franchise history. They selected 10 players. They traded out of the first round. They picked up two seconds, and along with their own second rounder, they had three second round picks, and they selected Devin Thomas, who amounted to nothing. And then they selected Fred Davis. Fred Davis could play, but he was certainly, you know, not a great tight end.

And then they selected a guy who was injured and basically was off the board for most teams in the league before, you know, this sixth or seventh round. round, and they took Malcolm Kelly in the second round. When they took Devin Thomas and Fred Davis, they passed on Deshawn Jackson. The only player that really had a lengthy career was Chad Reinhart, who was picked in the third round, and he ended up starting 58 games in the NFL. Now, Fred Davis started more games. I should say that. He did.

But, yeah, it was top. bottom a dreadful for a 10-player draft, not one significant contributing player to the franchise. Not one. I mean, Fred Davis played in 72 games, caught 162 balls for 2,000 career yards. That's it. He was talented. Cooley always said, man, Fred Davis was talented. By the way, Cooley in the third round was a pretty good pick. They traded up in the third round of that 2004 draft. The worst pick in franchise history for me is Heath Shore at number three overall. The guy started 13 games for our franchise after being picked by Norv Turner, not Charlie

Casserly. Norve made that pick. Scott Turner was on the show with me the other day. on Friday. He was excellent if you missed it. He was really good. I asked him about that draft, and he said, you know, it was Dilfer or Heath Schuller. And as he said, it's not like Washington, you know, was on its own with the evaluation of Heath Schuller. If Washington hadn't picked him, he would have gone the next pick or the pick after. But man, he could not play. I mean, just couldn't do it at the NFL level. See, that's what makes that draft pick so bad is it was, it was

the quarterback. The most impactful position on the team. And back then, when there were no rookie contracts, it could set you back quite a lot, quite a long time. Good point. Yes, some of those, before that rookie wage scale came in, you could really mess up the draft, you know, picking that high and picking a quarterback that high.

You could mess up your whole structure. And remember, 94 is the, first year, second year of free agency. And salary cap. Heath Schuller started in total in the NFL, 22 games over four short seasons, 13 here in Washington, and he started nine games with the New Orleans Saints.

New Orleans Saints in 97, and then became a congressman for a few years out of the state of North Carolina. There's so many stories about back, then. You know, Brian's told us stories over the years about, you know, Heath wasn't a bad guy, but that very strong North Carolina drawl that he had, that it made it at times hard for people to understand him in the huddle. That was a problem. Him learning the playbook was apparently a big issue. And, yeah, just a disaster. If they had selected Trent Dillfer,

Trent Dilliver had a better career, obviously, and he won a Super Bowl in Baltimore, but not as, you know, a quarterback-led, you know, Super Bowl winner. That was obviously defensive. Let me give you a little fact about Heath Shuler. Yeah. How bad of a draft hit could he be if he was named to the Pro Football Writers Association, all-ro-rooky team? That's crazy. I saw that. I saw that.

But think about this. There were only two quarterback. picked in the first round of that 94 draft, Shuler and Dilfer. And of course, the best quarterback in that draft for Washington was Gus Ferrat. Farat didn't have his breakout season, but he played. And he played well when he played in 94. And was a better player, obviously, much better player than Heath Shuler was. But yeah, the 94 draft, let's see the quarterbacks taken in that draft.

to look at that all-rooky team. Here are all the quarterbacks taken. Heath Shuler, Trent Dilfer, and then a quarterback didn't go until the fourth round. So Shuler went three overall, Dilfer six overall, and then the next quarterback went in the fourth round, Perry Klein,

and then Doug Nussmeyer, then Jim Miller, he had a career, played for Pittsburgh for a while. The Bears and Pittsburgh. Gus Ferrette was seven. was seven seventh round. Oh, Jay Walker. Wasn't he

the Howard quarterback? He was. Yes, he was. He was taken in the seventh round. Steve Matthews and then Glenn Foley, who actually played some and that I think may have coached. He was the Boston college kid. He was played for the Jets? Yes.

I'm pretty sure he played for the Jets. Yes, he was drafted by the Jets finished with Seattle. But played in the NFL for six seasons. So I've got Schuller as the worst pick ever. There are some choices, though, but who is yours? Okay. Again, I'm not going to play the game the way you want me to play it.

I didn't require you to play it anyway. I know you didn't. Yeah. I know you did. I just like speeding up the clock after you give us your first answer. Right, there you go. Okay, you leaned on me. But I'm going back in time because you can't

Stop this. Oh, wait a minute. Can I guess what you're going to pick? No. No, you're not taking my thunder away. Okay. I won't take the thunder away, but I'll just say I have a feeling it's going to be from a very odd position. I'll leave it at that.

Go ahead. Okay, well, that's wrong. Okay. Yeah. It's a running back. Nineteen 46 draft. Oh, Jesus. The Redskins drafted Cal Rossi at UCLA.

Okay. Oh, Ernie texted me about this guy. Except he was a junior. Right. And so they took him again the next year. Yeah. Ernie Bauer texted me about this guy. In 1947, and then drafted him first, then, and he told him he didn't want to play football. Yeah. So they drafted this guy two years in a row with their first pick. Yeah.

And they didn't get him. They didn't even get him in a uniform. That, look, I don't even know how we describe that other than to just say Cal Rossi, worst pick times two in franchise history. They picked them in back to back years. Can you imagine somebody messing up? Well, it would never happen. That's nuts. Ernie Bauer, after listening to this segment the other day, texted me. And I didn't really kind of follow it.

I'm like, what's he talking about? but once you started to say it, it reminded me. I thought you were going to say because I got a text from somebody who refuses to speed up the clock in these conversations like you, who said Charlie Gogalak was picked by the Redskins in the 66 draft, a kicker. You know, his brother, Pete Gogalak, right? That was the giant kicker. Yeah. Charlie Gogalak was his brother.

he was the first of the sidewinders, the soccer style kickers. Washington decided to take a chance on a soccer player that was going to kick soccer style, number six overall in the 1966 draft, and he was not a good kicker in the NFL. No. Yeah. You know, the stretch post-Bobby Bethard. All right, so let's just start in 90, I guess, with the Charlie drafts. Man, they really struggled in the early portion of those drafts.

You know, in 90, they didn't have a first rounder. You know, they took Andre Collins. He was okay in the second round. 91, Bobby Wilson, he was okay. Bobby Wilson was good, but he couldn't stay healthy. Couldn't stay healthy. Now, Charlie did better. He had a disc problem.

Yeah. Charlie did okay with, you know, later round picks like Ricky Irvin's was the third round pick that particular year. He also selected Keenan McCardell, who did not have his great success here, but had it in Jacksonville. And then 92. And I don't think this gets blamed on Charlie because it was Gibbs, you know, who had a voice now once Bethard left. And he wanted Desmond Howard. And I think... Howard, yeah.

And he's a close second on the worst... Desmond Howard couldn't play. You know, the famous Jeff Bostic interview. He went on to have a career as a kick returner. He played 10 years in the league, I think. And he won a Super Bowl. He won a Super Bowl MVP for the Packers. He was the MVP of that Super Bowl, that Brett Farr first Super Bowl.

He returned to kickoff for a touchdown in that game against the Patriots. But, you know, that was, I mean, the famous Jeff Bostic interview where he's asked about how Desmond Howard's doing in training camp. and he said, yeah, he can't do it. And they said, whoa, he got hurt? No, no, no, he can't play the position. What do you mean? He can't get off the line of scrimmage.

You have to be able to get off the line. They all knew it in the first few days. Desmond Howard couldn't get off the line of scrimmage against press coverage. And that was like a, it was like, uh-oh, what happened here? and they traded up, remember, to take Desmond Howard. Joe Gibbs wanted Desmond Howard. Then Tom Carter... And he held out.

Oh, yeah, held out. That was the same year, him and Rippin held out the same year. Same year. Same off-season. Exactly. Yeah. By the way, Rippen's sixth round. Tom Carter was the first round pick the next year. All right?

Then it was sure that it was Michael Westbrook, And this deserves certainly honorable mention for the worst draft choice in franchise history. The Washington Redskins traded up into the first round to select Penn State offensive linemen Andre Johnson. Andre Johnson, yeah. 30th overall in the 96th draft, he played three games in his career. He was terrible. couldn't play. Stephen Davis, though, in that draft, was selected in the fourth round.

And then the next year was Conard Lang. He was okay. You know, he wasn't terrible. He was okay. Yeah, and then finally, you know, Casserly trades, you know, their number five to New Orleans for the Saints' entire draft because of, you know, Mike Ditka's desire to draft Ricky Williams, and they ended up drafting Champ Bailey at night.

number seven. When, you know, not a bad pick. That draft was Bailey won John Jansen second round. Derek Smith played several years for Washington. Right? In the fifth round. No, not that Derek Smith. A different Derek Smith.

All right. A couple other things to finish up the show after these words from a few of our sponsors. My bookie's got everything you need for NBA and NHL playoff action. and every prop bet imaginable for the draft. As I mentioned on yesterday's show, there are co-favorites to go with the seventh overall selection in the draft. And the numbers have not changed today. As I look at it right now at my bookie, the two co-favorites are Jeremiah Love and Sonny Stiles. They are both at plus 275 ahead of Carnell Tate, who's now at plus 325 at My Bookie.

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Yes. A sports trivia show, but in the Jeopardy format. And Joe Buck is nearing. a deal to host ESPN Jeopardy. A Celebrity Pack Sports Trivia show from the Jeopardy franchise will stream on Hulu and Disney Plus this summer with possible TV spots on ABC or ESPN. Now, the reason I am sharing this story with you is that in my studio here, about a month ago, a month and a half ago, I was walking through the kitchen area and there was a gentleman in there

eating lunch and he stood up and he introduced himself to me. And he said, you know, I wanted to introduce myself to you. I heard that you were in the building doing your radio show. I listen every once in a while. He said, and I said, oh, interesting. And he said, I said, what do you do? And he said, I'm actually writing clues for a soon-to-be day-day. of a sports trivia show on ESPN. Wow. Right down the hall. One of the guys that's writing the clues for this show is right down the hall.

And I said, well, how did you get that gig? And he said, well, I was a Jeopardy champion back in the late 90s for a whole week. I won five straight games and then I finished as a semi-finalist in that year's tournament of champions. You know, back then, he told me that, Five days was the limit. And he won on all five days. And then that was the limit. So I guess, you know, once we got to Ken Jennings, the limit was obviously off because I think he still holds the record for most days.

But the other guy from a few years ago, you know, the gambler, I think he holds the record for the most money. There's actually currently, although I haven't watched the last two nights, a guy that's on a major role. He's up to like $800,000 in like 24 or 25 days consecutively. But he reached out to me. This guy did the other day. He said, I'd love to get together with you. I've got a couple of ideas. And I was thinking to myself, I could help him write some clues.

Yes, you could. You could too? I don't know about me. What do you mean? I mean, it's not all going to be from the last 50 years. Yep, whatever I've gotten in a trivia contest production with you, it's cost me money. It's cost us both money. Although, if you take the entertainment value over a seven, eight year period,

and the number of times we had to pay out, which was, I think, once, it was a pretty good investment. You're still trying to talk yourself into that, aren't you? Kind of. All right. You got anything else? Nats lost to the Braves last night. But they, how about the 3-0

went over San Francisco on Sunday? How did that pitching performance work? I don't know, since they actually, they started with a closer. They started with a reliever. Pulling. Yeah. Yeah.

And then they went to the Greek, Mikolas. I don't know. I'm assuming. It's going to be, in a way, the general manager, you know, Tabani and the, and the manager, Boutera,

they're kind of in a great situation because the learners aren't spending money so they don't really care right now, although I'm sure they're, you know, they still get calls from the owner's box during a game when some guy strikes out with the game on or something like that. I know the owners do that.

Seriously? Hold on for a second. Oh, yeah. Hold on. Mark Lerner and some of the other owners call into the clubhouse during the game? I don't know during the game. You just said during the game.

The general manager is not in the clubhouse or in the dugout during the game. Oh, they're calling the general manager, not the manager himself. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. Because that would have been Steinbrenner-esque, right? No, no, not the manager.

Okay. But those guys, they can pretty much do what they want this year. It's like an experiment. You know, they can run out any lineup or any pitching rotation they want. Nothing's going to happen to them. Sounds exciting. Actually, you know what? They're actually, right now, offensively, a fun team to watch.

Yes, they are. Yes, they are. And James Wood, thankfully, it does not look like the second half James Wood. He's still striking out a lot, but he's hitting a lot of big home runs, driving in a lot of run. Well, he looks like the first half, James Wood. Yes. Let's see what happens when we get to the second half. All right.

Anything else? Nothing else for you today, Bob. You were patient with me today, and I appreciate it. I'll talk to you on Draft Day. Well, that's Thursday. Let me just say, I was patient with you because of my sympathy for your dog Lainey. Yeah. Well, she's going to be fine.

Now, on Thursday, what are you going to be prepared? Will you have your big board complete? You're going to give me all of your possibilities? Here's what I want from you. I'm going to give you some homework. All I want from you, and this is really easy, I just want from you the player that you hope they draft at seven. I can tell you, that's Jeremiah Love.

I didn't want you to tell me that right now. Well, I mean, how many choice? What am I going to come up with? So obscure guy from Coots Town State? Is that what you were looking for? No, I'll tell you. what? Now I'm going to give you more homework. I want you to give me a couple of names that if they don't take love, you'd be fine with, and then maybe a couple of names for the third round. I'm kidding

on that one. We will do, we're going to do a full draft preview show, the best we can do it. Remember when we would do draft night? I did it with Doc a lot on draft night, but you and I were together a couple of those draft nights. Oh, yeah, we were. At Buffalo Wild Wings in various places around town. Yes. Yes. I remember, I remember laughing out heads off when they drafted Joshua Leribis. Josh Leribis. Oh, yeah, because Tommy and I, so on night one, they usually stuck Doc, they put Doc and I together for night one. And then on day three, out at Redskin, out at FedEx Field, Tommy and I would go out and basically host for like four hours on Saturday Draft Day, and we'd get players that would come by.

But the Josh Laribis pick, there was no information on him at all. None. You started looking through. You started looking through French telephone directories for a Laribis. Yeah, that one we didn't know. But remember the big topic of the day? Was that 2012? Was Lareepus 2012?

I think so. I think so. Because we were doing the show when they selected Kirk Cousins. We were on the air when they selected Kirk Cousins together at FedEx Field. Because they flew Robert Griffin in to meet the crowd. Remember how many people were in that stadium to witness Robert Griffin? On the field when he was there, yeah. There were like 25, 30,000 people at FedEx.

Oh, yeah. It was happening, baby. But they selected Kirk Cousins, and you went nuts. You went ballistic. But remember that during one of the segments during that season, during our prediction segment, what did we call that? I'm forgetting what we called the prediction. You heard it here first.

Yeah, that I predicted that Kirk Cousins would be selected by Washington and would be their quarterback. Remember that? I don't remember that. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. It happened. I just don't remember it. It happened. And they took him and you didn't like it at all.

And I liked it. I said, well, you got to have two. You have to have two. He can play. But man, did it create some issues, didn't it? So I guess we were both. I knew, yeah, RG Street would look at him as a competitor, not a backup. And he was right to look at him as a competitor.

Yes, he was. All right. We'll talk on Thursday. Back tomorrow on tomorrow's show. Where's my rundown, my Wednesday rundown? Logan Paulson's going to join me. That's who's going to join me tomorrow. We'll get Logan's real draft breakdown.

He's been doing an S load of studying for the draft. He'll be prepared. He will be prepared. You know what? I might just record, you know, a longer version with Logan, run some of it tomorrow, and then run the rest of it on Thursday, and you can have the day off. I'm kidding. We'll be back on Thursday together. I'll talk to you then.

See you. Okay, boss.