The Kevin Sheehan Show - Washington's Draft

Episode Date: May 1, 2023

Kevin today with a Washington Commanders draft recap. Kevin also talked about being at the DC Defenders playoff game yesterday. Some NBA/Steph Curry talk too with longtime Wizards radio voice Glenn Consor. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. We're almost there. Danucci pressure. Taken down.

The D.C. sack with a host of defenders. Joe Wallace. It's a loss of 10 with Jamal Brooks. That was a highlight from the game that I went to yesterday at Audi. the D.C. Defenders beating the Seattle Sea Dragons in the playoffs, 37 to 21. I was there with Tommy. I was there with Doc. We were hosted very, very graciously by John and Courtney English in their suite. I had a great time. That's the first time I've been to Outie Field for an actual sporting event. I've not been to a DC United game, and I haven't been to a defender's game. It was a great atmosphere.

not a sellout. The rain, I think, kept it from being sold out yesterday. Apparently, the crowds have been bigger in previous weeks, but, you know, we had all of that rain yesterday. It was damp. It was also chilly. But the noise was phenomenal. It was loud in that place. I had Cole Kublich on the show this morning on the radio show. Cole is an SEC network analyst and an ESPN analyst, and he worked the game yesterday for ABC. Cole's terrific, by the way, on the draft. He was so good today on the draft. I would encourage you to go listen to that at the team 980.com.

But Cole said to me, he said that stadium, it was the first time that he had been in that stadium. He said, it's perfect for what they're doing in the XFL. And he said, it's perfect for a lot of smaller conference college football teams that

just want a better atmosphere rather than playing in a big place. And it got loud in that joint. And I I mean, it was great. It was, look, the football is the football. And I have no idea if the XFL is going to survive or not. You know, these are all teams that are owned by the league.

And I don't know what the business plan is. I would assume that they're going to try at some point to start selling these teams to individual owners for, you know, whatever they can get for them. And then, you know, put the onus on expenses on those owners and try to get a better TV deal. Look, they're on even. SPN and they're on ABC, which is good for them, but I don't know that they're getting paid. I think it's probably more of a barter deal, but I'm not exactly sure, to be honest with you. I'm just guessing that that's the case. But I came in with the highlight of Ben Danucci being sacked by a Greg Williams defense.

Ben Danucci, remember him, played for the Cowboys back in 2020. Remember when John Bostic knocked Andy Dalton out of that game at FedEx and Danucci came in? And, you know, that was kind of the beginning of a decent run for Washington to a seven and nine record, but a division title. They hammered the Cowboys twice that year. Remember that? They beat them in that game where Danucci played like 25 to 3, I think was the final score. And then they crushed them on Thanksgiving day, 41 to 13, I think it was, something like that. But that seems like a long time ago now.

Anyway, yeah, that was that Ben Danucci. I had a great time. Great atmosphere, fun day. Saw some of you out there. Some of you came up and introduced yourself to me as I was walking out of the stadium, actually, yesterday. I did leave a little bit early. Doc seemed to have a problem with that. He had a problem with that because he got there two hours or three hours before kickoff

and then probably stayed an hour and a half afterwards. I actually decided with the game getting lopsided that since I ubered down there, I would leave and catch an Uber before I was waiting an hour and a half for an Uber because maybe everybody else was Ubering. And I got home in time to see the fourth quarter of Colden State Sacramento,

which I will definitely talk about on this show today. In fact, just one guest on the show today. And that guest is Glenn Consor. my friend Glenn Consor, who is great talking, you know, wizards for sure, but we're going to talk about Steph Curry's performance in the final segment of the show today. Before that, a lot on the draft coming up for sure. The show today is presented by MyBooky. Go to MyBooky.ag.

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So instead of starting off with a draft recap of the just completed 2023 draft, I'm going to start you off with a look ahead to next year's all too early 2024 mock drafts. Why am I doing that? Because it will give you an idea of where a lot of the NFL people think Washington is going to finish. CBS Sports, Washington picking fourth overall. If you pick fourth overall, you did not have a very good season. but they did have Washington selecting North Carolina quarterback Drake May. In fact, almost every mock draft I looked at for 2024 has Arizona with the first two picks.

Arizona is not supposed to be good. And then they also, because they traded their pick this year to Houston, they have Houston's first round pick next year. Houston traded back up to get Will Anderson after they drafted C.J. Stroud, So almost every mock draft has this weird look at the beginning for the 2024 mock draft of Arizona going one, two in the draft next year. Now, that assumes that Arizona and Houston will be the two worst teams in the league. CBS Sports has Caleb Williams number one overall,

and then Arizona picking Marvin Harrison Jr., who's expected to be the Ohio statewide receiver, the number one wide receiver in the draft next year. And then Indy, they've got picking third. And because Indy just selected Anthony Richardson, they're not going to select a quarterback. And that would leave Washington if they could finish with the fourth worst record having a chance. Maybe at Drake May, the North Carolina quarterback. But to finish fourth worst in the NFL, just so you understand, you've got to win four or less games. All right?

The Colts had the fourth pick in the draft. they finished four, 12, and one. I just don't see Washington finishing with a bottom four record in the league. It's possible that their quarterback situation is so awful. Or, you know, the thing that gets a lot of NFL teams, and that is the injury bug. If they end up being severely injured and losing lots of key players, you know, that's one way to get to four or less wins. I just think that defensively, there's a lot of. going to be too good. Look, they had no quarterback last year. They had an anemic offense at times,

and they won eight games with that defense. So I can't see them losing less than six. And, you know, the Raiders this year had the seventh pick in the draft with six wins. If you have the seventh pick in the draft, you're probably not going to get one of the top two quarterbacks, those top two quarterbacks being Caleb Williams and Drake May. Now, Quinn Ewers, the quarterback at Texas, and Bo Nix, the quarterback at Oregon, are considered to be like the next group of quarterback. Somebody else will emerge between now and then. I'm not a big fan of either one of them, to be honest with you.

I thought Bo Nicks played incredibly well compared to the way he played at Auburn at Oregon last year. But anyway, back to the 2024 mock drafts. Fox Sports has Washington also selecting fourth overall. They've got them selecting Jared Verse, edge rusher, Florida State. PFF has Washington finishing sixth overall. They've got them taking Fashami, a tackle from Penn State. And then Sporting News, I don't see ESPNs all too early out yet. It should be, though.

I just couldn't find it. Sporting News has Washington selecting six. and they also have them selecting this guy versus the edge rusher from Florida State. I looked at a lot of the smaller kind of mock drafts all too early. Washington somewhere between 9th and 4th in terms of where they would be selecting. That does not put them in the playoffs if they end up selecting between those spots, between 4 and 9. But you know what? As I've said many times in the past, they're going to go ahead and play the games anyway.

that's what they do. And it'll prove, once again, that the league is not a year-to-year league. It's not even a month-to-month league. It is a week-to-week league. It is very unpredictable. Not as unpredictable as the NHL is in the postseason. How about that last night? Boston sets the NHL record for wins in a season,

and they're out in the first round in an overtime game in Game 7 to Florida. As an aside, I don't know that there's a season. anything more suddenly dramatic than a Game 7 NHL overtime game. The tension is unreal. That is so entertaining to watch. But look, Washington has been predictable in recent years, obviously, predictably bad. But that, you know, just reminds me to keep our eyes on the big win here in the offseason. Who knows what they did in the draft? I'm going to go through it. Who knows if Andrew Wiley is going to turn out to be their best offensive linemen or a massive improvement? All of that stuff is so, so secondary to Dan Snyder selling the team.

We don't have to suspend reality anymore. The reality that they can't win over a sustained period of time as long as he owns the team. That's the best news we've had as a fan base in years, years. And so that is the big win of this offseason. I would take right now, if you told me right now, Sheehan, every single draft choice turns out to be a bust. But guess what? Snyder is selling the team and you're going to have a new owner in 2023.

If you had told me that a few months ago, I would have taken that and run with it. It really is. The football stuff right now, especially when you consider the odds are pretty high. I mean, they're certainly better than 50-50. that the people right now running the organization aren't going to be here a year from now. It's all about 20, 23 with a new owner and watching what that new owner does with the franchise. It's not going to stop us from talking football and talking about the 2023 team in great detail because we love the games.

but the biggest win of all time for any offseason with this franchise is Dan selling the team. All right. So we did Emmanuel Forbes on Friday. If you missed Fred Smoot, he was great. Smoot's phenomenal. As an analyst of college football and of the draft and of games, and I enjoy our conversations together. And Fred was great on Emmanuel Forbes, and I had my kind of view on Emmanuel Forbes.

We did a lot of Emanuel Forbes on Friday. I'm going to tackle the rest of the draft now. But I did want to mention that Brent Vistelmeyer, who is the acting DB's coach for Chris Harris, I think he's going to be elevated to that position officially, just like I think Trevelle Wharton will be as well on offense as the O-Line coach. Vistelmeyer was interviewed by, somebody sent this to me, by fan side, I think it is, or fan nation. and he was asked about Emmanuel Forbes being selected by the team on Thursday night. And Vissell Meyer, the current DB's coach, who I think is going to become the full-time D.B.'s coach, said,

quote, he's got that it factor. When I was in Oakland, Vistlemeyer worked in Oakland, I got to work with Charles Woodson in the final year of his career. The amazing thing is when the ball was in the air, he became the receiver. I think that's the one thing Emmanuel does a great job with. Balls up in the air. He doesn't panic. He finds the football. Closed quote. Comparing him a little bit there to Charles Woodson, I think we would take that. Look, that's the reason Emmanuel Forbes was drafted instead of Christian Gonzalez.

I think there were other reasons as well. Ben had mentioned to me that the profile of Gonzalez was a guy that was a bit too laid back for some teams, and that may have been the case with Washington. And look, Gonzalez, who was supposed to be, you know, a potential top 10 pick, didn't go until 17. You know, if you want to be hung up on they took the lesser of the two corners that were available at 16, well, then you should get into this business because you know more than everybody else. But you don't know at this point. You don't know. You might be right.

You might be wrong. But what this team wanted is they wanted a takeaway artist. They wanted the guy that has 14 career interceptions and then scored with six of them, an NCAA record. They were 26th in takeaways last year, 28th in interceptions. They had an offense that was anemic. There's no promise that the offense is going to be significantly better. I think it should be better, although we don't really know. That would be with Brissette.

We don't know what Howell is going to be. But they've got a really good defense with one exception, and that is they didn't turn their opponents over enough. And because of that, they went 8, 8 and 1. The defense was good enough to get them to 8 wins, but if it had turned over the opponents a little bit more, it would have helped out an offense that really struggled. And that's why Emmanuel Forbes was taken more than any other reason at 16.

They think they've got a guy that when the ball is in the air, he doesn't panic, he finds the football. Now, Vistelmeyer was also asked about the weight. By the way, according to stathead football, Emmanuel Forbes is the only cornerback drafted since 2000 who weighed in under 170 pounds at the Indy Combine. 166, as you know by now, was the weight for Emmanuel Forbes. But Vistelmeyer said, quote, first of all, our scouts and all those guys do a good job.

They do a good job with all the body tests and all those things. In three years, I don't think he missed a game with an injury while playing in the toughest division. It's not like he plays backing down from anything if you watch the film. They challenge him on perimeter screens, that is, and they run at him, and the kid doesn't back down, close quote. Then he made some comment about bring your popcorn. I think Del Rio said the same thing. They're really excited out there about Emmanuel Forbes, really excited about the player. They might be wrong.

They've been wrong about other players. But, you know, if you did watch him and you watch the tape, you know he didn't back down. He was facing the SEC West all year long. And this kid went after people as a tackler, and he didn't let any of the big, strong receivers push him around. I'm excited about the first round pick as much as you can be, you know. And that leads me to this. Before I get into looking at the rest of their picks, I'm not going to grade the draft. I don't think I've graded the draft in a few years.

Somebody may prove me wrong on that. Maybe I just went with it one year and gave him a grade. But I really think we've gotten to a point where it's a lot of fun. It's great theater. It's great television. It is foundational for these franchises. But you don't know which pieces are going to be part of the foundation. You know, a lot of the evaluations of these drafts,

They're just, they're a joke. I mean, the grades, the, you know, the grades from the people that do this. I'm not talking about the teams. I'm talking about these people who are in this cottage draft, mock draft industry. They don't know. They don't know because the teams don't know. The teams hit on one out of three is a good number. Somewhere around 33, 34, 35 percent contributing within three years.

Doesn't even have to be a major contributor, just contributing still on the roster, playing meaningful. Two out of the three that they pick won't be more likely than not. And I think one of the things that a lot of you get hung up on a lot in evaluating a draft is like, look, Sheehan, I'm not sitting here telling you that I know that the players that they drafted are bad or good. I'm just telling you that they overdrafted here and they underdrafted here based on where they were supposed to be drafted. And that's the part that I want to just focus in on for just a moment. I think now that's overrated.

I think the consensus, you know, numbers, and, you know, we heard, you know, after Friday night that Ricky Stromberg and Kwan Martin were over-drafted, that the consensus had them going much later than the second and third round, much later than 47 and 97 overall. And then we heard later on K.J. Henry, at 137th overall in the fifth round was actually a great pick based on where he should have been taken. But I think what's happening here is that the consensus of the mocks is different than the team's boards. The teams are evaluating these players much deeper than mock drafts are.

Mock drafters are. Mock drafters, and I'm talking about the really good ones, they're watching a lot of tape, and then they're at the senior bowl, and then they are at the Indy Combine, but so much of the evaluation now is an evaluation of the psychological profile. What kind of guy are we getting? Are we getting a guy that loves football?

Are we getting a high character guy? Are we getting a good teammate? Are we getting somebody that's coachable? Are we getting somebody that needs to be babysat for, or are we getting an adult? And then there's another part of this that's become more important in recent years. scheme fit? Does he fit within what we want to do? Because we've gotten away from the Bobby

Bethards and the Charlie Casserlies for years telling me you make big mistakes when you draft for need. More and more teams are drafting for need. You know, now, you know, they're not drafting way off their board for need, way off their rankings for need, but they're looking for fits for what they want to do and how they want to coach. You might say the best coaches of the the ones that pick the best players and then adapt their scheme to the talent they have. That's fine, but not everybody does it that way. The team's boards are often much different than the boards you're looking at and the consensus numbers you're looking at. You know, I don't think Emmanuel Forbes would have lasted four or five more picks for those of

you that think he got so overdrafted. You know, he got picked at 16. Well, I mean, we kind of know that Bill Belichick moved up to 17 because he knew Washington was going to take Forbes. I don't like that he knew that Washington was going to take Forbes. And then they took Gonzalez. We don't know that Detroit or Tampa or Seattle or the Chargers or Minnesota at 23 wouldn't have taken Forbes or Gonzalez had they made it to those spots. In fact, I guarantee you, I guarantee you that Forbes would not have made it past 25. The Giants moved up to take Deontay Banks at 25. The Vikings were looking at corner in this draft.

They drafted Jordan Addison because the corners they liked, according to a lot of the Minnesota people, were gone. That would have included Witherspoon, Gonzalez, and yes, Emmanuel Forbes. We don't know the other teams boards. The only boards that matter based on determining whether or not a guy was over drafted or under drafted is if you really like the player and you took them there, could you have waited and taken him with your next pick? Or could you have waited and taken them by trading up, you know, later in the first round? You don't know that. I don't think

Johan Dotson would have lasted much longer last year. I don't know about, you know, about Juan Martin or Ricky Stromberg. I'm just telling you that the team's boards are different and the way these players are evaluated now are more dependent, more, the emphasis is on a lot of the stuff that you don't see at the senior bowl, you don't see at the Indy Combine, and you don't see on tape. And a lot of it is we got to, we need to draft a guy that fits for us. Anyway, I told this story earlier this morning, and Tommy and I have talked about Josh Laribis, and we've talked about this story many times,

that when they took him in 2012 in the third round, we didn't even know who he was. Like he wasn't on anybody's big board. Now, if you start drafting people in the second or third round, or first round, that they're not even on a top 500 big board, that may be a problem. I'll concede that. Laribis in 2012 wasn't on anybody's big board.

We were looking through everything. We couldn't find anything on the dude. Shanahan told us, you know, a few years later, told me a few years later, because we were talking about that draft, you know, about cousins in particular, an RG3, of course. And I said, God, you know, that draft, you could have taken Russell Wilson in the third round and said a Laribis because he liked Russell Wilson. more than cousins. If Wilson had been there in the fourth round, he would have taken Russell Wilson,

not cousins. That would have been something. But anyway, I said, what about that Laribis guy? He said, yeah, he said he was the great, we really liked him as a zone run blocker, as his own scheme blocker. And I mentioned that, you know, he wasn't, we couldn't find anything about him. And he said, no, no, no, there were other teams that were going to take him before the fourth rounder at the latest somewhere in the fourth round. And that, you know, he wasn't. And that. That's what I think is in play here that sometimes those that are so sure that they over drafted a player, I don't think you really know. I don't think we really know.

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from various people on Washington's draft. But again, I don't consider them. to be overly worthy. But I know a lot of you do, but again, three years from now, we can look back on the draft and really have a sense of it. Like, you know, as an example, with Washington, you know, let's just take this particular group. We're now three years removed from the 2020 draft. Chase Young could ultimately be one of the biggest busts of all time. Could be. Antonio Gibson has been a meaningful contributor. Third round pick. I like Gibson.

I hope that they don't get rid of Gibson at the end of next year. I hope they don't just make Gibson a flanker, you know, or have him fill the J.D. McKissick role. I think Gibson is a good in-between the tackles runner. He's big. He's strong. I like Gibson a lot. You know I do.

Got rid of the fumbling problem. Gibson was, you know, a contributor. Sadiq Charles was picked in the fourth round. Remember how many of you thought Sadiq Charles. and Antonio Gandy Golden, oh my God, got great value compared to the consensus, you know, numbers on them. Neither one of them has contributed anything at this point. Sadiq Charles still has a chance. Keith Ishmael, you know, not much of a contributor.

Kleeke Hudson, a special teamer, contributor, Cam Kourl, obviously the big find along with Gibson in this draft. And then James Smith Williams is, you know, not a meaningful contributor. But you've got Cam Curl, Antonio Gipp. and then you did have the defensive rookie of the year, but it could turn out to be one of the all-time busts. So, you know, not a great draft to have two to three meaningful contributors. You know, if you take Chase Young's rookie year and Kaleek Hudson's special teams play, James Smith-Williams spot duty here and there, you know, you've got a draft that probably hit right at the average. You know, probably a sea level draft three years later.

But really what will drive the grade lower will be the future of Chase Young. And what you could have done in that 2020 draft to quarterback, which you can go back and do on almost any draft. But anyway, all right. So let's start with Kwan Martin. I don't remember Kwan Martin. I watched a lot of Illinois. Witherspoon was obviously the guy that really stood up.

out. I think Illinois, by the way, with Brett Beelma is going to be a power in the Big Ten ending college football in the coming years. I loved their running back, Chase Brown. But I watched a bunch of tape from Kwan this weekend. And to me, he looks like, you know, a player that really fits there what they want to do. You know, to me, he is a Bobby McCain replacement. I think he is versatile, you know, position flexibility. You hear that a lot with Ron talking about the offensive line in particular. But, you know, he's a guide. can play at the line of scrimmage. He's a guy that can be single high as a safety. I mean, I kind of like the player on tape. I mean, and I like the scheme fit. You know, Ben Standig spelled

out where all the consensus, you know, drafts, mock drafters had him. And this looks like a guy that was slightly overdrafted. But again, I don't care about that unless it's, you know, off everybody's board, completely big board, and they took him in the first, second or third. But I kind of like, the player, Martin. I think he fits. And as far as them going, you know, essentially going DB, DB, to start with, look, one of their areas of need was defensive backfield, corner safety. They got a guy in Martin that can play safety. They got a guy in Forbes that can play corner. Look, the first four picks were two DBs and two offensive linemen. If I told you before Thursday, They're going to come out of this draft with two offensive linemen and two DBs.

And oh, by the way, two edge rushers, because that was another area of potential need with the Chase Young fifth year option being declined, you would have said that's awesome. And I would have said, yeah, but they didn't get a quarterback. And that was their number one need. But, you know, we know why that is. Anyway, I thought Kwan Martin on tape looked pretty good. Stromberg, I think the one thing Stromberg says more than anything else, the center from Arkansas picked it with their compensatory pick, and that's the Brandon Sheriff compensatory pick at the end of the third round.

I think what that says more than anything else is that Chase Ruey's gone. You sign Nick Gates, I think he's going to be the starting center or Tyler Larson, because I think they want a veteran center for this first year with Sam Hal. But I think they drafted Ricky Stromberg in effect because they believe that this kid can be their starting center in the future. He was at Arkansas a player of high acclaim. You know, what you read about Stromberg, and I didn't watch a lot of tape. And by the way, Cooley's going to be on the show Wednesday. He'll do Forbes and Martin on Wednesday, and then we'll get him to do Stromberg and the rest of the draft over the next couple of weeks. But what you see with Stromberg in particular, and what you read about Stromberg is a technician at the position. He can really play the position. This is kind of like a

best case. Garrett Bradbury, Minnesota's starting center. He's not going to overpower you. He's not big. He's not super strong. But he's a technician and he's really, really smart. For me, I can't tell you if Ricky Stromberg is going to end up being a guy that was totally worth the pick. I can't. But it tells me that they felt in this offseason, they had a major need at center. One of the reasons is they went through so many injuries at center, right, over the last couple of years. And Chase Ruey is going to be a big cap savings when they cut him post June 1, which they're going to do. Braden Daniels is interesting. Fourth round Utah. First of all, if you've watched Utah over the last couple of years, you love the way they play physical

in the trenches. They are a physical downhill running team, very different from the PAC 12 in which they reside. Pro-style more offense than anything else if there's even such a thing anymore. I did think it was interesting that Braden Daniels was discussed by Ron Rivera as a tackle. He's played right tackle. He's played left tackle. He's played guard. Now he weighs in at under 300 pounds. Six-four though. They're going to put some weight on him. But Ron, I think, likes his position flexibility and views him as a guy that's going to battle at guard. I mean, I'm sorry, tackle. That's what he spoke to.

When they drafted him, I was thinking, well, this guy's going to be a guard more likely than not. But he keeps talking about this Chris Paul versus Sadiq Charles Showdown for that guard spot that will be vacated by Andrew Norwell. He doesn't even mention Norwell anymore. My guess right now in offensive line is Wiley and Cosmy on the right side, Gates at Center, the winner of the Paul Sadiq Charles Showdown, and I think it'll be, I don't know who it'll be, actually. I would favor Charles. I think when he's been healthy, he's been pretty good. And then Leno, Jr. at left tackle. And you've got some depth with Larson at center, with Stromberg, you know, and Braden Daniels and Cornelius Lucas. And then whomever doesn't win the Charles,

ball battle. You know, they needed, I don't know what they've done with the offensive line in this offseason other than to say what we can all say pretty clearly. And that is, they have quantity. They have, you know, increased their quantity of offensive linemen. Whether or not they've increased the quality, we don't know until we see it play out. These are Eric B. Enemy decisions, though, I am assuming these are Eric B. enemy decisions. You know, the Wiley decision was an Eric B. Enamee decision, and I would assume that Stromberg and Daniels were heavily influenced by Eric Bianney as well. K.J. Henry, the Edge, pass rusher from Clemson, just a steady from watching him on tape. I don't remember him specifically. I mean, I remember him. Once I saw the tape,

I remember number five for Clemson. But this is, you know, this is a guy that can get out to the quarterback with strength and technique more than with quick twitch. So the fact that they drafted not only K.J. Henry, but also Andre Jones in the seventh round, who is one of these taller guys, which was interesting to see him also very much sort of a four three defensive end, you know, line up that way, but tall and lanky. Now, he's got some moves and some length and some ability to disrupt with his size a little bit. but, you know, what it tells me is they are, you know, feel like they're going to have a need for some defensive edge rushing depth this year and next. Remember, it's not, you know, it's not just the questions about Chase Young. Shaka Tony is done for the year.

But I do, I did like watching in particular, Andre Jones, even more than KJ Henry. There's something about his size, his lankiness, his length. his ability to kind of use his hands and his timing and his sense of anticipation. He just looks like kind of a football player just maybe not super big and strong enough necessarily. But he was a productive player last year at Louisiana for them, seven and a half sacks and 51 tackles in 12 games. Remember, this is the second player they've taken from Louisiana in two years. Percy Butler from Louisiana last year in the fourth round. And then I'll finish up with Chris Rodriguez.

Of the running backs selected in the draft late, and I talked about some of these running backs on the podcast, I'm pretty sure last week. I know I talked about them on the radio show. There were a couple of running backs that I really liked, that I was hoping that if they were going to take a running back, and personally, I don't know why they need a running back. You got Robinson, Jr., you got Gibson, and you got Jonathan Williams.

to me it's not a position of need, but they view, they want size and they want another battering ram. Okay, and Chris Rodriguez, you know, actually size-wise looks very similar to Antonio Gibson. Like he's 220 pounds, he's six feet, six-one, Gibson's maybe a little bit taller. You know, inside the tackles, physical, downhill, good vision for sure. I just liked a couple of guys that, you know, went right around him. Chase Brown went before I love him. I think he's got a chance to be a really good back in the NFL. He got picked by the Bengals in the fifth round before Washington took Rodriguez at 193.

I loved Evan Hull from Northwestern. He went 17 picks before Washington. And then a guy that didn't get drafted but did get signed to a big-time UFA deal was Abraham from Minnesota. Detroit gave him $100,000 and guaranteed money. That's the equivalent of the seventh round picks. So they drafted Gibbs and then they signed Muhammad Ibrahim from Minnesota. I love that kid.

He just didn't stay healthy. But if he stays healthy, he's going to be a really good back. But I like Rodriguez. I don't dislike him. I think he's, you know, he fits what they obviously are looking for. They're looking for downhill battering Rams. You know, he doesn't run like Gibson. You know, Gibson, they won out on the flank.

They won him on the edge. They'll probably use him this year the way they used McKissick. And Rodriguez will be the guy maybe that spells Robinson Jr. Or as a sixth rounder, maybe he doesn't even make the team. All right. So there you go. That's the draft. In terms of where their draft was graded, I've got all the gratings here.

So there were – Kuiper loved the draft. Well, it didn't love it. Gave it a B. Loved Forbes. All right, NFL.com gave it a B. Pro Football Focus gave it a B. Walter Football gave it a B plus. Fox gave it a B minus.

Draft Kings gave it a C plus. USA Today gave it a C. The ringer gave it a C. The lowest grade was Sporting News gave it a D. and there were a lot of, you know, there's a lot of discussion about the quarterback not being addressed in the draft. They didn't draft the quarterback. I think Kuyper said at some point on the broadcast over the weekend,

they're really going to go with Sam Hal and Jacoby Brissette. I think others said that too. And then there were some draft experts that said they're going to go with Sam Hal and Jacoby Brissette. And that's the smart thing to do. I don't know that anybody really knows. We know what Jacoby Brissette is. Jacoby Brissette is essentially a failsafe if Sam Hal can't play so that they can be a competitive team next year.

If Sam Hal can play either next year or in the future, they hope to determine that. And it may not be good enough to lead them to a big time season next year, but the big win would be if Sam Hal can play, they can say, look who we drafted. We drafted our next quarterback. That's the season next year in a nutshell, boys and girls, the quarterback. I mean, it comes down to whether or not they have decent quarterback play.

Jacoby Brissette is probably not going to turn into a Gino-Smith, I don't think, and be a guy that's going to end up getting a three-year deal at the end of next year to stay and be the starter. Could happen. He played well last year in Cleveland, played really well, and got the biggest backup quarterback deal of the off-season. Sam Howell is the, you know, the wild card here. But quarterback play is everything. What they added in the draft really at the end of the day, they hope, like best case scenario for this draft is they got a starter in Forbes,

they got a, you know, a guy that can play 30% of the snaps in the secondary in Martin, and maybe they got themselves some really good depth along the offensive line and, you know, pass-rush depth. This offseason, they focused on the offensive line. They drafted two players. They signed two players. They focused on their secondary. They drafted two players. They signed

Cam Dancler. And with the fifth year option and losing Chocotony, they filled out their depth for their defensive line. What didn't they do? They didn't do anything at quarterback. Will they regret not

taking Will Levis or Henden Hooker or somebody else that went, you know, in later rounds, a Jaron Hall or a DTR or a Stetson Bennett who went to the Rams, perfect fit for him. Who knows? But maybe it was best in the long run that this coaching staff, which will more likely than not, okay, not be here a year from now, that they didn't pick the next franchise, next franchise is quarterback, although it's kind of, I don't know, I hear that argument a lot, and I understand that the new management may want to pick the quarterback, the new coach, may want to pick the new quarterback, the new GM, may want to pick the new quarterback. But if you picked a quarterback this year, let's just say it was Will Levis, or they, you know,

traded up for Anthony Richardson, or they took Hendon Hooker in the second round, or, you know, traded down. Oh, way, they couldn't trade down, but whatever. And that quarterback ended up being really good. Do you think anybody who bought the team or was hired by the team is going to have a problem with the previous administration drafting a really good quarterback or signing a really good quarterback? But they didn't do that. Right now on paper, they have a decent roster. It was decent at the end of last year.

It's decent now. Hopefully the offensive line's upgraded. That's a big, big, you know, hope there. Because if they've upgraded the offensive line, it gives the quarterback a better chance. but they need the quarterback to be better as well. All right, we'll finish up the show with Glenn Consor talking about Steph Curry's amazing 50-point game 7 yesterday when we come back.

Under eight minutes remaining. Davis Chattis swat it away. Murray on him. Three-pointer. Punch it in! Downtown! Beautiful, dominant performance by Curry. Steph Curry yesterday set

The NBA record for points in a game seven, he had 50, 50 points in a game seven at Sacramento. They were down two at halftime, Golden State won by 20, and they advanced to face the Lakers. And what will be one of the most anticipated non-NBA final series we've seen in the league in a long time. Jumping on with me right now is Glenn Consor. Everybody knows Glenn. Glenn calls the games for the Wizards with Dave, has been calling them for years is occasionally part of the TV broadcasts as well. You can follow Glenn on Twitter at Glenn Consor, C-O-N-S-O-R. And, you know, we have a mutual friend who always says, why don't you put Glenn on the show more often? And I always tell him, if the Wizards

actually were a winning team and we had something to talk about, I'd have Glenn on all the time. And, you know, I was thinking about it, during that stretch with John and Brad when, you know, there were playoffs, you know, basically for, what was it, four out of five years or whatever it was with Randy and then with Scott Brooks. We did talk a lot. I had you on the show all the time, but, you know, the team isn't very good these days. It's disappointing, clearly. You know, you could see, you know, it's like that old expression.

You know, you could still call. You know, you could still call once in a while. Yes, I could. I could. But, you know, when we used to be out in Rockville at the radio station, you'd pop in every once in a while, so we'd see you. But we don't really have that same. I would, yeah. We don't have that same group together in the same way that it used to be.

I'm just reading between the lines. You know, you can't call me and just say, hey, how's the family? And we could talk NBA stuff and, you know, and I could ask you some commander questions. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. You're right. You know what? Done.

From this point forward, I will call you at least once a year. I promise that. You know, you know that I would rather be talking about this, actually, than the NFL draft, but I just spent, you know, a long time talking about the NFL draft, which is a complete who knows situation. Yesterday was not a who knows situation. That was one of the, you know, in the last week, we've seen Jimmy Butler score 56 when his team needed every single one of them pretty much. and that went over Milwaukee.

And then yesterday we watched Steph go for 50. I said on radio this morning, Glenn, that I think it was one of Steph Curry's greatest performances. But I also think that when you combine Steph from yesterday and Steph from last year's NBA finals against Boston, that maybe we now put him into an area legacy-wise that maybe we wouldn't have two years ago. Not that he wasn't a slam dunk hall of famer and one of the greatest, you know, maybe the greatest shooter that's ever lived.

But man, yesterday, last June, this guy's incredible. Tell me what you thought watching it. I thought it was an iconic performance, you know. I mean, my phone was lightened up. I was watching the game with my youngest son. And I told him, you know, I've seen a lot of great guards. And I don't think I've been, and I don't think. I've seen anyone that could, number one, shoot with his range,

shoot with his accuracy, and forget shooting, put that on the side. How about scoring? I mean, the guy goes to the basket. You don't know what he's going to do. He's coming up with these one-handed teardrops now. He's unguardable, and his handle is unbelievable. And guess what? You know, he defends well, which no one talks about.

So I think what we're all witnessing is, you know, one of the all-time greats. And, you know, I don't think you or I or our grandkids are going to ever see a better shooter than Steph Curry. I've said over the years and recent years, for me and you've watched a lot of players as well, it's the greatest combination of ball handling and shooting in one body that I've ever seen in my lifetime of watching. The only guy that I think would have been close had the three-point shot but emphasized more, because I think he could have shot it, was I thought Isaiah's ball handling in combination with being an excellent shooter. We just didn't see the range because it wasn't emphasized back then because they just didn't do it, as we know. But that Steph's the greatest ball handler shooter in one body of all time.

No, he is. And what makes him so hard to defend, number one, is he doesn't get tired. his movement without the basketball is unparalleled. And, you know, when I do my camps in the summer, I teach moving without the ball to get yourself open. I mean, and all you really have to do is watch tapes of him because, you know, he's changing direction. He's walking guys off, coming off screens, endless, endless motion. But what I love about his game is on the catch. when he comes off a screen on the catch,

if you're a little too close, maybe if you're not playing him perfectly, you're going to get burned. Because if you play him too close, he's got that one quick dribble that it's so explosive that he's going to go by you because it's so quick. And then if you're not as close,

guess what happens? He's bombing threes. So he's impossible to guard. And with his range, I mean, where do you double that guy? Look, in the NBA, it's all about, you know, what do we got to do to stop these guys? Well, you've got to double them, right?

You've got to make him an early passer. Well, where do you do that with that guy when he's at half court? And I'm exaggerating, but that's the problem with Steph Curry. I loved how you pointed out him moving without the ball. It was so, like, to me, Reggie Miller is one of the greatest all-time shooters in watching him move without the ball, especially come off screens and set screens up was always great.

Steph is great off the ball, whether it's coming off a screen or just a, without a screen, he's able with quick, short movements, with just incredible feel for space, he's able to create separation without a screen. It's so fun to watch that. You know, yesterday, it was different yesterday, and maybe you didn't feel. it was different. But typically when he goes off, you know, and let's just call it a 40-point game, not a 50-point game, you know, there's the, you know, there are the threes off the screen where, as you said, if there's any kind of room given, boom, with the quick release, there's the catch and

shoots off of somebody else's penetration. They're the stepbacks. There's the dribbling, you know, creating space for himself. But yesterday, the driving, the finishing with both hands, the floaters, He hit a post up. I mean, he basically scored in a variety pack way that I'm not sure we've ever seen from him. Usually, you know, there are a bunch of threes, and we know what that looks like, and there are a couple of floaters and there are a couple of drives. But I thought he did it in more ways than I've ever seen him do it before. Yeah, he was a three-level score.

I mean, it was incredible. To see what he can do, excuse me, to see what he can do, You know, they always talk about short, choppy steps on defense to make you quicker instead of taking long, like, lateral strides, right? Yeah. Short choppy steps make you a better defensive player. It makes slow guys quick. Well, he uses that on offense.

You know, it's these machine gun steps when he gets the ball that he just blows by people. And he was doing that all game last night, whether it was like a one dribble from the top of the key, one dribble into a floater. It didn't matter where he was because his feet was so quick. So what we saw him do last night was, like I said, iconic. Yeah, it was incredible. And by the way, in that game, because I want to ask you about some of these other series,

including the upcoming one with them and the Lakers. But Kavanaughan Looney was unbelievable in that game yesterday. I mean, they obviously don't win that game without Curry going for 50 because Clay couldn't hit the ocean from a boat. I think he shot four for 19 in the game, but Looney had 21 rebounds, 10 offensive rebounds. Those are 10 extra possessions that he got his team, most of which ended with a Curry score.

Right. Well, you know, Kevin, I know you don't call me that much anymore, but I know you still follow me on Twitter. Yeah. And I tweeted last night in the middle of that game, that, and I'm going to stand by it, I'm doubling down. Kavana Luni to me is the most underrated, undervalued, understated player in the history of the NBA.

Whoa. That guy, yes, that guy has been on championship teams. He just gives you what you need. You know, he can shoot it. But think about it for a second. when you're on a team with Clay, Steph, and Draymond, you're forgotten. Doesn't matter who the next two guys are.

This guy is an old-school center who is excellent on defense. He can defend the pick and roll game out top. He blocks shots. He gets every offensive rebound. And no one talks about him as one of the top centers in the NBA. well, I came out with that tweet, and, you know, I believe that. I mean, they don't win that game without him rebounding like that.

He had, it was, I think it was game three, the game that Draymond missed that he was suspended for. I think he had 20 rebounds in that game as well. I mean, look, what you said, I'm sure got some attention because it is, it's way, way over the top on so many ways. I totally agree with you that he's unbelievably underrated as a player. And here's the other thing on that team. They don't have any size without him. He's their only size. Well, let me pose it to you this way.

Yeah. And I want you to put your analyst hat on because you know the game. Phoenix loses to Denver, right? They shot over 50%. They didn't shoot well from three, but they got out rebounded by, like, I think it was like 11 or 12 rebounds, right? Put Kavanaugh-Lun-Luny on the Suns. Do they win that game?

Man, so I watched that game, and it just got out of hand, and they got out rebounded for sure. I mean, look, A-A-A-Ton is size, but he's not as relentless a rebounder nowhere near it as Looney is. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Pull up Aiton out and put Lune in that game when he's playing with Duran and all those guys.

right? I think, you know, they win the game because he's getting every rebound. Back to Steph for a moment. So do you agree with me that I think, so before last year, before they won it last year, and the game, the game of that series against Boston was game four, you know, in Boston when they were down 2-1 and he went for 43. It was an insane game, and then he had the close-out game. I think before last year's post-season, I mean, I keep a running, I keep a list because I always get into these debates, and I want my list to always remain consistent of who my top 10 to top 15 are. And I think before last year, everybody, you know, widely regarded Steph Curry is, you know, clearly a first ballot hall of famer, the greatest shooter in the history of the game. But not at the Michael, Magic, LeBron, you know, Will Russell, Kareem. level. And I think last year, them winning that title with him winning the MVP, and then you

put that, then you carry that over into this postseason when, look, all season long, they're banged up, and they didn't have Wiggins late, and you don't know what's going to happen to them in the postseason. And he goes for 50 in a game seven at Sacramento, and we still get to watch him, hopefully for another month. I'm rooting for them to beat the Lakers. But I think now people view him differently. Now I think people view Curry as in that mix for one of the greatest players who's ever lived.

Not the top 10, not somewhere between 8 and 15, but higher than that. Well, he clearly is, and I agree with you there. How do you not put him in that category of a Michael and a Kobe and

wilt? You know, he's a different type of player, which is really why a lot of people won't put him in there, because he's very much of a finesse guy, you know, versus like Michael was, you know, explosive and crazy, physical and, you know, and LeBron's that way too. That's not. But given his talent of scoring and his shooting, you've got to put him up there. But he's a different, you know, he's a different type of player than those guys, you know,

like Wilton and, you know, Bill Russell. Sure, that's, you know, all the great. he's unique in that way in that he's not physically you know like you walk away when you like when you see Jordan or LeBron

you know walk away going wow those guys are you know just crazy athletes and it's the complete package it's physicality it's athleticism it's skill set with him

it's not it's it's all like grace like he's playing on clouds and if you don't take it to consideration when you are having these arguments, which I really don't like, because I think, oh, like there's a lot of players that are great and they're great for their own reasons, how do you not put stuff in there with those guys now? Well, you know me. I do sports talk radio, so I love these conversations. So maybe here's the better question, because it's always been

very difficult, and I would agree with you. It's always been very difficult. I think there's like a center conversation and then a non-center conversation because Wilton, Russell, and Kareem, and Elijah one, who I have always felt has been very underrated in the center conversation. But maybe the question is, because to me, magic's always been the greatest point guard that's ever lived. I think magic, I've always had magic at the top of my list right there with Michael. Is he the best point guard now that's ever lived? Is he better than magic? Two completely different players, understood. You know, here's the thing, you know, what are those guys?

You know, magic played in the playoffs where he played center. You know, what's Steph Curry? He's not, you know, Steph Curry is not Steph Curry if he's a distributing point guard, quote-unquote, point guard. He's a combo guard, and he, you know, he's a guard, you know, he could do anything. he doesn't need the ball. He doesn't need to be ball dominant to score. He can play the catch and shoot game. That's why he's so unique.

That's why you've got to put him up there as one of the greatest players to ever play. But I think the way the game has evolved right now, what's he honest? What are these guys? Everyone could put it on the floor. Everybody could shoot threes. Everybody could handle it. And it's become positionless. but, you know, which is cliche at this point, but what is Steph?

Yeah, I know. It's a great point. What is he? It's a great point. It's so the game has changed. But, you know, God, I mean, like you said about magic, I mean, we had, here's the thing that where they're similar, they were totally different for their time, right? We had never seen a six-foot-nine-inch point guard, and we'd never seen somebody able to

stretch the floor the way Curry has. Curry's changed. I describe it all the time as he's essentially changed the geometry of the floor because you have to guard so much more space now defensively in the league because of not just three-point shooters, Glenn, but the length in which they shoot the three. I mean, remember, you know, you go back 15 years, and if somebody pulled up in transition from 38 feet,

you'd be like, what in God's name is he doing? and now we see that every night across the league. I mean, and that was what Curry changed. Yeah, he changed the game. You know, like, I just think, you know, you can call him a point card, you can call him whatever you want. I don't care. You know, he's not your stereotypical point card.

You know, maybe even like Chris Paul is. You know, Chris Paul's ball dominant, you know, he's constantly making the spectacular pass. The other thing about Steph Curry is that no one really talks about is he's kind of like birdish. And, you know, in that he sees things before it happens. Definitely. But it's not just passing with him. It's scoring.

Like, I don't think I've ever seen anyone pick up a loose ball like he does on a scramble without even putting it back on the floor and he's scoring. Like, that's like savant stuff. So you get that with Steph. Yeah, the last bucket that he had, I mean, he was doubled, he split the double with the dribble, lost it briefly, got it back. The ball probably didn't come up from the floor more than maybe a 12th of an inch. As he dribbled at fingertips to the rim, it really is his feel around the bucket shooting-wise with, you know,

the right flow, you know, the right trajectory. the right English. Everything about him is very savant-like with a basketball. It's like the ultimate kind of extension of his arm and hand. Yeah, it's like magic. Yeah. It's like magic. It's like bird. Like those guys, like, you know, teams are playing checkers. He's playing, he's playing chess. Yeah. You know, the way he moves without the ball is, you know, I mean, like that's the thing with Steph Curry. You know, like you compare him to like, you know, Iverson who, you know, crossover and, you know, bang, bang, two dribbles, and, you know, he's dunking it or he's blowing by you.

Steph almost doesn't even need the ball to score. Yeah. I mean, I was thinking, as you were talking to, is that the move he made, you know how he will use the dribble sometimes as a way to set up the step back? And because as a defender, you know that occasionally he'll go hard forward and then he'll cross over and step back. And yesterday he started to step back and the defender went flying at him and he never gave up the dribble and it was right by him.

And it's just, it's really incredible to watch. It's fun, man. He's fun to watch, man. He's got the hezzy game, you know, up and down. You can't guard him. You know, like he makes you stand up. You know, the Cardinal rule in playing defense don't sleep. stand up. You stand up. You're going to get burned, right?

Yeah. He forces you. Yeah, he forces you to. You almost have to play in him because he's constantly with the he easy moves and up and down and getting you a little bit off balance. And then he, you know, he exploits where you are and, you know, where you're not and it's over with. It's over with. Who do you like, the Warriors or the Lakers? You know, I'd like to see the Warriors. I just like watching Steph. I mean, I like watching Clay, you know, I just like what I'm seeing with that team. I mean, but the Lakers play, by the way, is there, I mean, is there a bigger fraud team than Memphis with all of their yapping and all of their talking?

And Dylan Brooks wouldn't even talk to the media after the final two games. I mean, they got emasculated in that last game. Yeah, well, you know, that's what happens when you talk smack. you know, it always comes back at you. So you like the Warriors as well. See, the one, I think the difference maker obviously, well, you mentioned Looney and that's going to be interesting. Obviously, Steph, but for them, I think it's AD.

If he plays to his level every night, they're really difficult to beat. Oh, they are. Look, you know, the thing is with that team, when LeBron's LeBron, you know, and when AD's playing those two guys, when they're playing at a top level, there's not many guys in the NBA that are better. So they are good enough to carry that team.

And, you know, so I'm not counting them out. I'm just saying I would like to see Golden State beat the Lakers. I would like that. Do I think it's going to happen? I really don't know. Lakers clearly can beat them. Yeah, I want to see the same thing. I mean, I'm not, I mean, I'm just, I don't want to see LeBron continue to do this.

He's great. I'll never deny his greatness, but I'm a bigger Curry fan and Golden State fan. They are, by the way, for those of you interested, minus 165 at my bookie. So they're a favorite to win this series. They've got home court advantage as well. Denver smoked Phoenix in that first game. Do you like them to win the series? Before this series started, I liked Phoenix.

You know, it's one game. So it's tough to say, I think if Phoenix doesn't rebound, if they don't get loose balls, if they don't do the little things, they're not going to beat Denver. And if Jamal Murray is playing the way he's playing, holy canoli. I mean, that guy looked like an all-N-B-A player, you know, and he looked like he looked in the bubble a couple years ago. So if he's playing that way, Denver's going to be tough to be because they're deep. They are deep.

And, you know, Yokic is Yokic, is Yokic, one of the most difficult guys, difficult matchups in the NBA. Yeah, they are deep. You know who I really thought played well the other night was Jeff Green? I mean, you know, they've got veterans. I agree with you. They are deep on that team. So Jimmy Butler to me, Kauai Leonard and Jimmy Butler have been two of my favorite players, not only in the league, but in sports over the last few years.

And Kauai is what he is with load management and the whole thing. It sucks that he got hurt because there was a legitimate injury. I actually think that they would have had a chance to win that series had he remained upright. Butler and the heat rallied. They beat the Knicks in game one, but Butler rolled his ankle. It looked pretty, I mean, he was used pretty much as a decoy. through the rest until the end of that game over the final five minutes. What do you think about this particular series?

I guess we have to assume that he's healthy enough, but if he's injured, obviously, it's major advantage, Nick's. Oh, yeah. You know, this is where injuries really, you know, it's not the regular season. They don't have games where they can sit. This is nitty-gritty time. So none of us know what the extent of that injury was.

I know he turned it really bad, you know, Jimmy Butler has been, I mean, how do you not want to play with that guy? I mean, how do you not want to be in a foxhole with that guy on your team? You know, I mean, he's the, oh, man, he's the ultimate competitor, you know, and he will outwork people. I mean, you know, the other thing is, is look what injuries are doing now. I mean, M.B. might not play tonight. Yep. you know, if Butler doesn't play, I mean, this is, you know, you've got to get past these games.

What do you do if you're Philly? I mean, what do you, you know, what do you do, maybe chance and play him? You know, what do you do if you're the heat? You upset the Knicks who, by the way, I do like the Knicks team. I think they're physical enough to beat Miami. So, look, they, you know, they lost an important game one. And with no Randall, yeah. with no Randall.

But when he's healthy, but that's what I mean about injuries. Randall, M. B. Butler. You know, these guys, man, like, and look, M. B.D. is probably going to win MVP. So you take him off Philly, they're not Philly. You know, you take Butler off of Miami. They're not Miami anymore. You know, and this is what's going on.

So you got to kind of fight through the injuries and hope you make the right decisions by not forcing these guys back too quickly, too. You don't want to hurt their long term. I, um, I, the, they spread it out a little bit in this round. I hate this, um, because I, because as an example, uh, Miami and the Knicks play tomorrow night and then game three isn't

until Saturday back in South Beach. So maybe they'll sit, uh, Butler since they won game one tomorrow night and try to get them ready for, for the two home games. Um, and the 76ers and Celtics play game one tonight. And then I think they play game two, Wednesday night, then they don't play again until Sunday. So we'll see how it works.

But, you know, last one, Glenn, like before the, when Kauai went out, I actually liked Phoenix to win that series, and I thought Phoenix had a really good chance to get to the NBA finals. And I thought it would be Milwaukee, actually, so I was dead wrong about that. But right now, who do you have in the NBA finals? Who do you have winning it? Oh, man, you know, it really depends on the health. guys, you know, I still think that, boy, I think Boston's going to go for the east and the west.

I think, you know, if, I mean, it could be the Lakers, could be Denver. I mean, one of those teams. Kevin Looney. Or Golden State, you know. Or Golden State. I don't. It's tough to say. Kavan Looney could be the most underrated, understated, and undervalued player, not by Warriors in the history of the

NBA. That was Glenn Consor on Twitter. I just read the tweet that you read a little bit earlier. He was incredible. And so were you today, which makes me believe that I will call you again soon. Well, here's what I don't understand. So, you know, you don't call me that often to come on, which I'm good with. That's not, well, I don't call anybody to talk about the Wizards that often. No, no, no, I'm good with it. But then when you call, I'm on the phone with you for a half hour. Over a half hour we're talking. Yeah, well, it's easy. I mean, that must be, it works. I don't know. And this is the longest interview I've ever had, I think. Well, it's a podcast. That's the benefit of the podcast.

Oh, okay. I can go longer with you. I don't care. Yeah, you could. Great job. I appreciate it. I hope you're well. All right, buddy. My pleasure. Glenn Consor, everybody. Glenn is such a great dude. All right, that is it for the show today. Back tomorrow with Tommy and then Cooley on Wednesday.