The Kevin Sheehan Show - Washington's Front Office Force

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

Kevin and Thom today with an excellent menu of tasty treats including Thom's tale of his pursuit of an old flame in the Poconos this past weekend. The boys talked Washington Commanders front office hires and what the actual real known takeaway should be. Is the NBA changing? No more dynasties? The boys discussed a run of 5 years of NBA Finals without a team from the previous year's title match-up and what it means. Dan Snyder's latest mess along with Kevin's picks of the NBA Conference Finals match-ups finishes up the show today. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code Sheehan for a first deposit match up to $100! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. He is Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. The show's presenting sponsors,

Windonation. Call them at 86690 Nation or go to Windonation.com. Mention my name for a free, no obligation in-home quote. I just asked you if you knew Pauly, a longtime caller to the station. He used to call our show,

but you said that you didn't remember Pauley, which is fine. But Pauley is a really good guy, lives down in the 757, down in the Tidewater area, and he sent this to me the other day on DM. Last week, Tommy and I, for those that didn't hear the show, talked about baby reindeer,

this Netflix show that is sort of this dark thriller, but it's a true story about a guy that gets stalked by this woman. And so Pauley sent me the following DM. So while drinking some cognac and a couple of totes of a left-handed cigarette, I started watching Reindeer Baby. I think it is Baby Rainier. It is Baby Rainier. Yeah, and passed out early in the third episode.

Next morning, my lady said, what the F did you have me watching last night? That was the most disturbing vile effed-up shit I've watched. And he just looked at her, and he said, Shean told me to watch it. It is. It is kind of nuts. It is kind of nuts.

Yes. And you're waiting for the sanity to end and it never seems to end. Right. Pretty funny, Polly. I actually showed that to Kara, my wife. And she just started laughing because she said, yes. Why did you tell people to watch this vile disturbed show that we couldn't turn off. I'm like, I know. That was the problem. We couldn't turn it off. All right. So,

you wanted to talk about all of these front office changes, which I talked about a little bit on the podcast yesterday. If you missed the show yesterday, I did get it out late. My apologies, but I had to wait to do a couple of interviews later than I thought I was going to get the people to interview. And Logan Paulson was on. He was great. He always is very good. So go listen to his thoughts on everything he's seen so far out in Ashburn as they get ready for another three OTA days this week. Before we get to the meet, I just wanted to talk a little bit about an appetizer, what I did this weekend. Oh, okay. Go ahead. I always love a good app. I was up in the Poconos this weekend.

Yeah. I went to the East Strasbourg High School alumni luncheon. Alumni luncheon. Basically, what they have is a luncheon at my old high school, all the students. They organize a luncheon for people who have been out of high school for 50 plus years. So it's not a reunion? No. It's not a reunion.

And they have it every year. and it's called the 50-plus alumni luncheon. So you had to have been graduated at least 50 years ago or later to be invited to this thing. How many people show up for it? Well, this is my first time there. I've been eligible for three or four years, but this is my first time there. There are 300 people that show up for this thing because it's every class that came, you know, since from 1974

earlier. Right. Like there was a guy who showed up from the class of 1946. Oh my God. He's like 96 years old

or something like that. Yeah, he would be right around there. He would have been born in 28. Yeah. So that's 72, 2496. I mean, because you know people

above, you know people besides those in your class. Mm-hmm. You know, when you went to high school. You knew people above you. You knew people below you. So it's a chance to see that it wasn't great. Let me just say it wasn't great. But I don't know how many other places do this, but it illustrates a small town and how tight how high school was in that they have a banquet every year for people who went to that high school 50 years ago or before. And they

at 300 people to show up to this thing. Did they have it at Rudy's? No, that would have been great if they added it at Rudy. No, they added at some, you know, pretty nice banquet hall up in Strasbourg. And it was, I got to see some people who I hadn't seen in a long time. But, you know, Bumstock kind of fills this need for me, which is kind of like a reunion every year we have. And I see everybody at pretty much see.

at bumpstock. Right. So it's not the kind of thing I would probably go back to again, maybe for a while. But that's what I did this weekend. We had, in my high school, when I went to school from 9 through 12, we probably had 600 kids. That's what I was going to ask you. So in your graduating class, it was like 150? 160 something.

Okay. So it wasn't a big high school. I mean, we had 700. I think we had 700. plus in my class. So we were a massive high school. Yeah. That's a small town. Yeah. You know, everyone kind of sticks together and, you know, stays in contact. Is there only that one high school? Is there only that one high school in East Strasbourg? Well, now there's two high schools in East Strasbourg. There's an East Routtsburgh,

and there's an East Trousburg south. When I went to school, there was just East Strasbourg, and that was the South School in East Strasbourg. In the county, when I went to school there, there were four high schools in the entire county. I think there's double that now. So tell me about the event. Did you know people there?

Did you remember people there? Did they know who you were? You've told me about the concept here, but you haven't told me about the results. Well, you know, again, it wasn't, it wasn't great. I don't mean to diminish it because a lot of people put work into it. Yeah. And for some people, it was great.

But like most of the guys and most of the people who show up for Bumstock didn't show up for this thing because they go to Bumstock. I mean, we kind of do a reunion every year at Harry Fisher's Farm. I thought Bumstock included people that you worked with. writers and stuff. No. Oh, no, no. It's all high school. Well, no, because you started letting people come that weren't part of your high school. Well, yeah, but not from, I mean, not from here. Not from DMV. I don't know any writers from East Strasbourg.

I mean, I'm it. Well, what I'm saying is Bumstock wasn't just your high school friends, or is that how it started? No, it's not just a high school friends, but it is people who generally know each other from the East Trousburg-Pokonos area. You know? Okay. What wasn't good about it?

What was the disappointment from? Well, a lot of people who I would have liked to have seen didn't show up. Like some honey from way back in the class of 74? Yeah. Yeah. Did you have somebody in mind? What was her name? Something like that.

Who were you hoping to see? Something like that. Come on. That's every reunion is your whole. hoping to see somebody that meant something to you. So who was that person? Well, this is this girl, but she wasn't there, so it doesn't matter. I want to hear about the girl anyway.

Oh, that's nothing to say. What do you mean? There's nothing to tell. Was this your high school girlfriend? Kind of, yeah. Or was this just a high school girl that you had a crush on that you wished you could have dated? It was more the former than the latter. It was. Okay. So what? You just hooked up every once in a while? Or were you a serious thing? Was this your first crush or first love?

It was in between there. Okay. It was in between, you know. Is she alive? Is she alive? Yes. Okay. How do you know that? Well, because I know where she lives. I mean, I know, I know, she went to her high school reunion last year, which was held at my friend's restaurant up in the Poconos. And he saw her there. So I know that. I thought this was a girl that went to your high school. She did. Yeah.

She went to, but she was in class of 73. Got it. Year older. So they had their 50 year high school reunion last year. I see. At my friend's restaurant. And how did you saw her there? And what did your friend say?

Did she, how'd she look? No, she looked fabulous So this is one of the reasons you went to this stupid luncheon You were hoping she would be there What's her name? I'm not going to say what her name No, I'm not going to say what her name Give me her initials

M M, her first initials M So Mary wasn't there and that upset you That's not upset It was a little bit of a distance appointment. Did you? Yeah.

You know, there was a girl there who I had gone out with once, who I was friends with, and I was curious to see. And that was a letdown. She was pretty cold, actually. She was pretty cold? Did you say cold? Yeah. Okay.

Cold. Yeah. D-O-L-D. Yeah. Look, back in high school, and this is hard to describe, and it's pretty much, like, kind of true, college. college too. I mean, I went out with girls, but I never took it seriously. You know what I mean? I didn't invest in it. I ended up, I was the opposite. And I don't know, I don't know if I intended it to be the

opposite. It just worked out that way. I had serious girlfriends from, I mean, if you can even call a girl that you dated in eighth or ninth grade middle school. a girlfriend. But, oh, Tommy, do you remember? Do you remember we were doing this show? Oh, yes, yes, yes, when, when we first... This is why you're not on Facebook. No, this isn't, that's not why I'm not on Facebook at all. I'm not on Facebook because I got sick of opening up Facebook and reading people lecture me about the show. I, but it was, remember, it was kind of the early days of Facebook. You know, you and I had just started to do the show, and I reconnected with the first girl that I ever had a relationship with. And, you know, we've, I mean, it was totally innocent, totally, you know, nothing.

We just communicated back and forth a few times, and that was pretty much it. But, you know, that's obviously what, I mean, social media, Facebook in particular. I mean, the stories of reconnections because of Facebook, like, you know, I mean, you and Mary could have just reconnected in a very, you know, friend way up at the, on social media before you ever met at the luncheon if she was going to be there. Have you communicated with Mary at all over the years? Oh, yeah. Not in quite a long time, probably 15 years. or 10 years or so. But we stayed in touch from time to time, but not in a long time.

And look, this illustrates, this story I'm going to tell you, illustrates how I sort of approach dating and women at that point. I was about a year or two out of high school, and there was a girl who was still, she was a senior in high school, she was the head shoe leader, and everybody loved this girl. She was just great. Okay. She was all around. She was like Sally Field, you. Okay? Like that kind of thing.

Right. You know? Yeah. That's the comparison for people his age. Sally Field. And I had got out with her a year before. She went out with me at a mercy date because she was so nice. But wait.

She was older? She was younger. She was younger. Got it. But she was the head cheerleader. And when did she? What year were you and what year was she when she gave you the mercy date? Well, I was 71 and out of high school, and she was a junior in high school in 72.

I'm confused. I'm confused now. You said your graduating class I thought you said was 74. 71. 71. Okay. Anybody else? So I was a year out of high school.

She was still in high school. Okay. And she went on a mercy date. with me because a friend of mine, you know, kind of fixed it up. And nothing ever happened after that. So the next year, when she's a senior, all of a sudden, she developed an attraction for me. Really? She wanted to go out with me, you know?

So we went out after a football game. She cheerleading at the football game, and then we went out to a party. So at this point, at this point, you're 19, 20 years old? Have you burned down your fraternity house at Miami yet or not? No, I haven't even moved to. I'm still working in East Trousbord. This is like 18 years old or something like that. What are you doing?

Are you driving that Genesee truck? What were you doing back then? I worked at the hospital and the stock room of our local hospital. Okay. I stocked medical supplies to the different departments. Okay. So tell me about this date. After I got out of high school, I worked for two years.

I didn't go to college right away. Uh-huh. Got it. So we went out on this date, and we went to a party after his football game. I've been waiting to go out with this girl, and she was the bell of the ball, baby. Okay? This was above my pay grade. Well, you're a little bit older, you know, so there is that part of it.

Still, above my pay grade. Okay. And she was into this, and we went to this. party, and then at midnight, 30 miles away in eastern Pennsylvania, they were going to start what was called the Battle of the Bands. Starting at midnight, all night, they were going to have this Battle of the Bands at the Eastern High School, 30 miles away, and all my friends were going to go to this. Okay? So what did I do? At like 11, 11 o'clock at night? You took her to the battle the bands.

No, I left her at the party, and I went with my friends to this battle all night battle all the bands. That pretty much illustrates the way I treated relationships then. Well, it was your first date. What he was in a relationship yet? Well, but still, I mean, it was a date, and I left her to go hang out with my friends. What is wrong with you? I mean, you had a date with the hot senior high school lead cheerleader. You're probably at a party with a bunch of kids that are still in high school.

Did you feel a little bit awkward? Yeah. Yeah, okay. No, you did. No, you did. I didn't see awkward. Okay. I mean, it was pretty close to all.

Remember, I was the youngest kid in my grade class, like a couple of months. When I graduated high school, I had just turned 17 two months before. Huh. Interesting. Okay, so you had... But that's kind of how I treated relationships back then. If I could power out... That was your peak.

That was your peak before your wife, of course. That was your peak as a young person. You had one half of a date with a super hot Sally Field-looking cheerleader, and you ditched her for, you know, the Larry Holmes Battle of the bands in Easton. Yes. That's pretty much it because that's what my boys were doing. That's what your boys were doing. All right.

And I knew I'd have a better time with them. By the way, how many beers were you guys drinking in that car driving to Easton? Hammered, right? Yeah. I mean, people just don't understand what it was like back then. I mean, I'm really, I'm the first age group where it started to become a thing, you know. But I can still remember many. a night where, you know, we're playing quarters at my buddy Andy's house, you know, the

drinking game quarters, and we roll out of there at 11 o'clock and everybody's piling into cars and nobody is fit to drive a vehicle. Right. Yeah. Yep. All right. Well, how we got here? I have no idea.

But that kind of, you know, so that's what, so she wasn't there, the other girl. we're not talking about the same girl now. This is a different girl. Right. We're not talking about Mary. We're not talking about Mary. We're talking about the cheerleader, Sally. Right, but now we're talking about Mary.

She wasn't at the thing, and that was a little bit disappointing. Although I didn't really expect her to be there, but that's not really her thing, you know, to do that. So it was okay to see some people. I mean, Harry, my best friend Pete and Harry Fisher were there, you know, guys who I, I see every year at bump stop. Right. So I don't think I'll be going back. Was the food any good?

I'm kidding. No. Well, I'm sorry it was, look, what else were you going to do over the weekend? I mean, you certainly weren't going to watch any basketball. You weren't going to watch any golf and you weren't going to play golf. Why not hop in the car, drive up to the Poconos and see if Mary's at this luncheon? There you go. It seemed worth the spin.

especially since your buddies saw her recently and said she looked she was a smoke show. Yeah. Yeah. Did you stop into Rudy's for a beer? First time, two? No, I did not stop into Rudy's. My schedule didn't really work for that, but I'll be going back up next month. And I plan on a Thursday night, Rudy's excurs.

I have one more question, not about the luncheon, but just about the East Strasbourg. High School, you know, alum base. Who's the most successful alum? Do you know who that person is? Like, do people know that you became a Hall of Fame baseball voter and writer and boxing Hall of Fame writer, et cetera? Do people know the story of Tom Laverro at East Strausburg High? I don't think a lot of them do.

And so they didn't hear from me. Yeah. Okay. So I don't think a lot of them do. Okay. Do you know who the most famous alum is from your high school? Besides me? Besides you. No, I don't. I'll tell you what. I'm in my high school hall fame.

You are? You've never told you that. For what? For meritorious accomplishments for my career. Really? My plaque is on the wall of the, in the high school. Wow. with other members of the Hall of Fame. And I've got to tell you that this is, in a way, it's the most important accomplishment for me because there would be so many teachers that would projectile vomit onto that plaque

if they were alive today who had the high school. Yeah. The most unlikely to end up on a plaque on a wall in our high school. Absolutely. Do you know, I was just thinking probably, I mean, Whitman in Bethesdo, there have been a lot of alums that have gone on to do great things. But probably the most recognizable name now is Mitch Rails, who is a Walt Whitman graduate, and now part owner of the Washington football franchise, known currently as the commanders. Let's get to them and all of these front office changes right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Down to the final four in the NBA playoffs, guys.

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conversation a number of times at this luncheon. Really? Up in East Strasford. Yes. It's just too bad that Mary wasn't there to talk about it with you. Yes. People would say that, boy, that place, Shelly's sounds like a lot of fun. I wish I could go to the there sometime. And it is. It's a lot of fun. And if you have a chance to go there sometime, that's where you should go, because I've never had anyone contact me and said, I went to Shelly's. It was a disappointment. Just the opposite. I mean, people will say to me, I finally made it to Shelly's. What a great time. I can't wait to go back again. And it was kind of funny because here I was, you know, 250 miles away, and Shelley's back room was the topic of conversation.

People, you know, were jealous of the idea that, you know, I get to go there, have a nice smoke, drink whatever my beer is at that point. Sierra Nevada, pale ale, I'm drinking these days. They have such a great selection of beers there on tap. And just the whole atmosphere and the people you could meet at Shelley. They were kind of jealous about that. because there's no place. Rudy's is Rudy's, but it's not Shelly. No. There's no place like Shelly's up in the Poconos or pretty much in most places.

Okay? You should find out for yourself. Shelley's Backroom.com for more information. All right. You wanted to talk about all of these front office changes. I talked about it on the podcast yesterday. I had one takeaway from all of these hires, which I shared yesterday. I'll share with you in a moment, but I want to hear what you wanted to say about the additions of people like Brandon Sossna who came from Detroit.

There is an expectation that this guy, David Blackburn, from the Ravens, will be hired. A couple of guys have left the building recently, Chris Polian. Ben Standing, by the way, doing a great job of reporting on all this stuff. Everybody is in town. But you wanted to say what about all of the front office hires? Well, two things. One, it seems like since Adam Peters couldn't get Ben Johnson, he's determined to hire everyone he can from Detroit.

Well, he didn't offer Ben Johnson. He never actually interviewed Ben Johnson. Right. Yeah. That's me he didn't want him. Well, I don't think he did. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. The second thing is this is what everyone has been waiting for in a way, I think. I think commanders fans have been waiting for this kind of front of office shakeup as a sign that there really is some change taking place here. I know the whole team pretty much had a turnover, but, you know, it seemed like there was an impression that there wasn't much movement in the front office. And, you know, part of that was probably timing and circumstances. Adam Peters being hired a short time before the draft and free agency was going to take

place, but I think most commander fans are elated for the new faces in the front office. Oh, I mean, there have been some reactions to the hirings in the front office that I just, it's great. I mean, I'm all in. I mean, these people wouldn't have come to work here previously, and that's my biggest takeaway is that, you know, they're open for business now with quality people or at least perceived quality people. But when my very good friend Al Galdi, somebody sent this to me after the show yesterday, Kevin and Arlington did. And he said, were you talking about Galdi when you were critical of all the people

raving about the, you know, Baltimore, San Francisco, Philadelphia-esque front office that they're putting together. I was not talking about Galdi, but I did see Galdi's tweet where he said they're, you know, they're building an absolute powerhouse of a. front office. I just don't know how you would know that. I don't know how you would know that either. I mean, Adam Peters has never even been a GM. I just think I'm hopeful like everybody else is. Like these are people that are, you know, at least Adam Peters was high up on the, you know, pecking order of targeted GM candidates. And that's great. But not all of those guys work out just like not all the

quarterbacks at the top of the draft workout. You know, let's wait to see what his players do and his coach does and give it a couple of years and then we can, you know, evaluate whether or not they hired the right guy to be the GM and whether or not that GM hired all the right people to work for him. But again, the big takeaway for me is that, you know, you're hiring people from San Francisco from Detroit, which, by the way, was used to be laughing. That used to be about the only place you could hire somebody from, you know. But it's a different organization now.

Brad Holmes has done a great job there. By the way, after Martin Mayhew was the GM there for a while. And, you know, if they get a guy from Baltimore, I mean, these are organizations where, you know, it was hard to attract the good people from these organizations to Washington. And now you can. So being optimistic and being positive about being. able to hire high-quality, highly thought of people is definitely a good thing. And, you know, the chances of it working out are probably better than they used to be.

So there's that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have a Bruce Allen or a Dan Snyder to interfere with good people doing good work. That's right. At this point. But, yeah, but unless, I mean, unless you're some kind of like football,

insider. I mean, most people don't have a clue if these guys are really good at their job or not. They're just guessing based on their background. That's the thing. And we talked about this when they were in the GM search mode. You know, I'm sure there are people out there that have really, really good sources, great information, have been watching these guys very closely. but the large majority of fans, media members, they had not heard of Adam Peters before like a year ago or six months ago, you know, before he got hired. And some of the other candidates for the job, you know,

people I just think were trying a little bit too hard. Now, the coach is a completely different subject. We have strong opinions about coaches. And we even have strong opinions about assistant coaches, although the truth is the assistant coach thing, we don't really know either. You know, people in the league miss on this all the time with assistant coaches. You know, you can have a general philosophy of today's day and age, the football that's being played, I'd prefer an offensive guy to be a head coach.

Okay, that's fair. That's what I preferred, you know, going into the process. But, you know, we at least knew Dan Quinn. We knew of him as a head coach. we knew of him as a coordinator. Others, we just knew they were with organizations that had won recently and had, you know, good offenses or good defense in Baltimore. But, yeah, I mean, players and head coaches strong opinions on, I mean, front office hires,

seriously? Yeah. How would you have any clue? Because these names are brand new to almost everybody that's talking. about it. But again, the most important thing is they're hiring people who are highly thought of from well-respected organizations, and that just couldn't happen for many, many years. And now it can. So that's a good thing. What else on this? That's all. I mean, like I feel, I don't know, like you said, I don't know if these guys are any good at

their jobs, but I think that people were looking for a new front office. You know, I mean, you know, Adam Peters came, and he hired an assistant GM from Detroit, and what's his name, Lance Newmark. And then, you know, the two Marties are still in the organization. And I think people thought, you know, like, well, you know, where did a new decision makers. Well, now you've seen them coming in. Right. So in talking about the difference between what the organization appears to be now and what it was, it reminded me, Tommy, to bring up what we were talking about briefly before we started to record the show today, and that is Dan Snyder's latest

legal issue. Now, for those of you who haven't been following this story, Snyder is an investor in a movie that debuted last night in the south of France in Cannes. The movie is called The Apprentice and it's about Donald Trump. Not Trump of the last 10 to 15 years, not Trump the politician, but Trump as a younger professional in New York. The movie debuted last night. I think it got decent reviews from what I read this morning. But anyway, Snyder is an investor in this company that funded the movie.

The name of the company is kinematics. He's either the biggest investor or he's certainly a significant shareholder in this company. He may be the lead and the largest investor, but that information was not in the story. Anyway, I digress. He is furious about the way the movie turned out. He got to see a cut of the movie back in February, and he was not pleased. Remember, by the way, Snyder, big donor to Trump and Trump and Trump. 2016 to the tune of $1.1 million.

In 2020, he backed Trump with $100,000 as a donor. But the reason he was upset after seeing a cut of the movie in February is that incredibly, he was under the impression that the movie would be a flattering portrayal of Trump. And shocking to nobody but Snyder, it wasn't. so Snyder's attorney started sending cease and desist letters to the filmmakers his CEO this guy Emmanuel Nunez who's the CEO of this kinematics tried to say that Snyder has not really been involved but sources familiar with this situation say that Snyder took issue with multiple aspects of the film and weighed in on

what should be changed not a surprise to any of us that he wanted to weigh in on something that he probably knows nothing about. But the story included Tommy some familiar names like John Brownlee, the attorney, that Snyder was, you know, putting out there, you know, a guy that was stumping for Snyder during some of those investigation dark days of 2020 and 2023. But the movie, again, did make its debut last night. Again, decent reviews based on what I read. But Snyder was getting clowned on social media for investing in a movie about Trump and expecting it to be flattering. Well, if Snyder didn't like the Trump movie, he certainly isn't going to like the movie about Dan Snyder whenever that comes down.

The 30 for 30 about Dan Snyder. Whenever that surfaces, he certainly isn't going to like that. You know, he's dabbled in the movie business before. Yeah. I think he was the producer of a movie called Hancock with Will Smith. I think that's one of Snyder's movies about a guy who has superpowers or something like that. I've never seen it. He was the principal investor in Dick Clark production.

Right. That did not go well, right? That investment didn't go well. No, it did. No, it didn't. So, I mean, he likes the entertainment business and the trappings that come with it. I read a story that he regularly entertains. He likes docking his yacht at Con and regularly entertaining, you know, people in the industry on his yacht.

Rubbin noses with them. Sort of like he used to be a jock sniffer. Now he's a Phil sniffer. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. He loves famous people. There's no doubt about that.

Yes. What's interesting to me is it talks about. his relationship with Roy Cohn. Roy Cohn is one of the most interesting political figures of the 20th century. Tell everybody why. I know a little bit about him, but tell everybody why. We've talked about Boy Cone before. I think we have, but go ahead.

Roy Cone was a big political fixer in New York City. Right. He goes back to the days of the McCarthy era where he worked as a lawyer for Joe McCarthy on the House on American Activities Committee. Right. and was very involved in going after people who they suspected were copying this, which was against the law, apparently, at the time. You couldn't think that way.

So that's the first time that Roy Cohn surfaced. He was very close for a while to Jay Edgar Hoover, the head of the FBI, but eventually they had a falling out. And he lived in New York and was very much in. involved in the politics of the city, and he wound up mentoring a young Donald Trump. You see the way Donald Trump operates, and it's right out of the Roy Cohn playbook. You know, never apologize. You know, be more outrageous than they expect you to be.

This is all out of the Roy Cone playbook. And there's a movie that HBO did that James Woods played. Roy Cohn called Citizen Cohn. Yeah. That's an excellent movie. And he died of AIDS. You know, at the end of his fight, that's how he died. Was he gay?

Was he gay? Yes. Yes. So I've always been fascinated with him, disgusted and fascinated with Roy Cohn as a character. So I'm curious to see about that part of the movie. I'm intrigued.

It's called the Apprentice, but it doesn't have really anything to do with his TV show. Right. Or I don't think it has much to do with his political life, you know, of the last 10 years. So just FYI, because I just pulled up Roy Cohn's Wikipedia page, he actually rose to prominence prior to the McCarthy era. He was a lead prosecutor at the espionage trial of the Rosenbergs. Oh, okay. So, and then, you know, well, what you're, so it's actually pretty close, right?

Because this says that that trial was in 1951. McCarthy, you know, the red scare of McCarthy was mid-50s, right? Yes. Mid-to-late 50s? Yeah. Yeah. So it was. It was before. All right. A few other things to finish up with right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, most of us are interested in our mental and physical well-being to a certain degree. And with that in mind, I'd like to welcome and introduce a new sponsor to the podcast. The new sponsor is Unified Healing, Unified spelled, U-N-I-F-Y-D healing. It doesn't matter if you're a big-time world-class.

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Yeah, I was out of town hanging out, you know, reconnecting with my past. Right. So I did not see either of them. Sounds like I didn't miss anything. Here's a topic. So since you're not paying attention to the NBA playoffs like I've asked you to do, by the way, I like Boston in five, maybe six. I think Indiana could win a game or two, but I don't think they can win the series.

I like Minnesota, too, to get to the finals in the West. But here's a topic that we could do to wrap up the show, talking a little NBA playoffs. This will be the fifth consecutive year of two teams in the finals, neither team having been in the finals the year before. People thought Denver might be in the beginning of kind of a mini-dynastic run, but they got eliminated in seven by Minnesota. It was Denver, Miami last year. The year before that was Golden State Boston.

The year before that was Phoenix, Milwaukee. The year before that was Lakers Heat. And then the year before that was 2019 when Golden State lost to Toronto, but that marked the fifth consecutive year that Golden State had been in the finals. And before that, we had, you know, the Spurs and we had the heat when LeBron was there with the big three. And before that, you know, the Lakers of Kobe and the Spurs. And, you know, going back to the Bulls. And before the Bulls, you know, obviously the Celtics, Lakers and Pistons.

Like it's been a sport where there have been these true dynasties or at the very least, you know, a mini dynasty. And we seem to be out of that era now. Why? I don't know if there's any particular rhyme or reason to it. Maybe because there's a space between the last class, the LeBron James class of superstars and the Anthony Edwards class of superstars. So, like, the guys like Edwards and others like him can't really take advantage.

of the free agency that would allow you to go to basically a team that had a good chance to win an NBA championship. There just seemed to be a law in free agency of superstars who could impact, whose movement could impact the league. How's that? Yeah, I think there's probably something that I'm missing with respect to the recent CBA. and the ability to kind of put together the true super teams. But, you know, you kind of saw that in Phoenix. I mean, Phoenix took a swing at a super team with Durant, Booker, and Beal, which, you know, it shouldn't have been perceived as an attempt at a super team.

I think you're going to hate this answer. but I think it's just that there are so many great players in the NBA now. There's an overwhelming number of just elite superstar players. Some are young and they're coming, but they, you know, like Anthony Edwards in Minnesota, and they may have arrived a little bit early, but they've got some veteran players on that team as well. But, you know, they're playing a team with a superstar in Luca Donchich, even though he's not my favorite player. He just whines way too much. Kyrie Irving, a former champion, is on that team.

Boston has two superstars, you know, in Tatum and Jalen Brown. They haven't won it yet. I mean, I think Boston, with the talent they have, should be in the midst of a bit of a run. You know, they, I thought they were the better team when they went head-to-head with Golden State at the beginning. of that series. And I thought that they should have been in the finals last year and they would have been favored over Denver, but they lost to the heat. And, you know, in Milwaukee, you've got Janus, but he was injured this year. So we could have seen a deep run by Milwaukee. I mean, Indiana would not be in the Eastern Conference finals if Janus had been healthy. More likely than not.

And then you still have superstars that aren't old. I mean, Yokic isn't old. These 29 years old. And Denver could come back and win it next year and then maybe win it again two years later and we would refer to Denver as kind of a mini-dainesty team. But I just think there are more elite players capable of carrying teams and we've got more of them than we've ever had before in the league. I think that's part of it. Well, that may be. I mean, I think if you went back far enough when the league wasn't watered down with so many teams, you find the league with a lot of great players on each team.

And let me point out, like I pointed out before, great talented players does not always translate into great play. Okay, so you can be right and I can be right. Yeah, it's just that this league, You can't win a title without a guy that is perceived to be a superstar. It hasn't happened since 2004 when the Pistons beat the Lakers. But look at the Mavericks. They had one superstar in Kirk. I know that, but that's what I'm saying.

You have to have one of those superstar players. And what I'm telling you is there are more teams than ever that have at least, one of those true superstar players capable of carrying team. Not have one of those superstar players. Yeah, our team. Yeah. You know, and that's just another quick thing, and I know we've talked about this in the past, but not a lot because we don't talk much about the Wizards.

But I love Tommy Shepard, but they should have hired Tim Connolly. I know that they feel really good about, you know, winger and Dawkins in the whole group, but I still would have probably thought about Tim Connolly, who was here back in, you know, the early 2000s, late 90s, early 2000s, and built the nuggets into the team they are and has now, you know, built the Timberwolves into the team that they are. Who was a candidate for the job? He was.

Where they hired Tommy, but according to some reports, he wanted five years and they only offered for. Yeah. And his wife, I think, is from here. I think... And I mean, they wanted to come home. He's from here, Tommy. He went to Catholic. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I know. They wanted to come home. But Ted, you know what? Remember Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross? Yes. And Alec, what's his name? What's the guy's name? Alec Baldwin? The guy who said... Yeah, Baldwin. Alec Baldwin. Alec Baldwin says, coffee's only for clothing. Exactly. Ted Leones says... gets no coffee, but he can't close.

Well, you know, there's got to be, we got to interview 77 people, and we got to have, you know, 58 meetings on each of the 77 before we make a decision. Oh, God. All right. Anything else? Nothing else for you today, Boston. All right. Tommy's going to be back with me tomorrow, and then Coolly is going to do film breakdowns of four more drafts.

choices, two of them on Thursday, two of them on Friday. Back tomorrow.