The Kevin Sheehan Show - Washington's Window #1

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

Kevin and Thom opened with more on Super Bowl 59 and the beating the Eagles' defense put on Mahomes and the Chiefs. Washington's first Super Bowl "window" in three plus decades is open for business. The boys talked about that in detail. Jayden Daniels, Victor Wembanyana, and the Dylan movie ("A Complete Unknown"), also a part of today's show.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Call them at 86690 Nation. We're head to WindowNation.com if you need new windows. We get to hear Tommy's reaction to the Eagles' Super Bowl win on Sunday night. Tommy, this from Jerry. Jerry writes, been watching the NFL. since the Sunny Jurgensen John Unitus days. He didn't say Johnny Unitas. He said John Unitas.

I've heard people refer to Johnny Unitas as both Johnny Unitas and John Unitas. Is it Baltimore people that refer to him as John and the rest of the NFL that refers to him as Johnny? Do you have any thoughts on that? Well, my guess would be based on I know a number of people who knew him well. that it would be Baltimore people because it would be people who knew him who would actually call him John, as opposed to Johnny. Now, it's like, John would be the less formal in this case, as opposed to Johnny. Strangers would call him Johnny.

I think acquaintances would call him John. Right. Now, you know, you've told me, it's funny because I think about Ernie O'Coursey, right? Ernie of coursey, who you've mentioned many times over the years. He was the longtime GM in Baltimore and Cleveland and other places, but really for the Giants and the architect behind some of the Giants, you know, first really, really good teams. I think he was, or maybe that was George Young.

George Young was the... That was George Young, but Ernie was the architect of the Eli Manning team. Exactly. But I think of interviews with Ernie, of course, and I think I've heard him refer to Johnny Unitis as John Unitis. And other kind of longtime NFL people refer to him as John, not Johnny Unitius. Anyway, I digress. He worked with him.

I mean, Ernie worked with him when he was with the Baltimore Coats. Ernie, like a lot of people, not a lot of people, but the one I noticed them because it's such a cool thing. Ernie started out as a sports writer. Right. You know? Yeah. And then went into management, became a general manager. And it's interesting, there's a number of people over the years who have done that.

Marty Herney. Yeah, Marty Herney. I mean, but it used to be more common than it is now. I never aspired to be a general manager. You know, I mean, I would not have aspired to have been an NFL general manager. I definitely would have loved to have gotten involved in basketball, although my preference would have been coaching, you know, but if there was an opportunity as a young person with no responsibilities

and not needing to make a living, like a real living, that would have been much more interesting to me basketball than football. But yeah, you know, Marty Herney is the one that we know from here. Marty was a reporter, a beat reporter, covering the team. team for the Washington Star, and then I guess maybe the Washington Times. I don't know when it went from the start of the Times. He came to the time. Yeah, absolutely.

Anyway, let me read the rest of Jerry's email. Kevin, been watching the NFL since the Sonny Jurgensen John United States. You nailed it, Kevin, never seen a defense make a great quarterback look that bad, reminiscent of the 70s Steelers. Yeah, Tommy, I talked a lot yesterday, and I want to hear your thoughts on the Super Bowl as well. It'll go down, in my opinion, from the eye test. Now, statistically, because Kansas City got a lot of yards and put up points in the

fourth quarter when the game was long ago decided, I mean, some of the all-time garbage yards in the history of a game, certainly a big game. But I thought it was one of the most dominant defensive performances I could ever remember in a big game. I mean, the Bears had one against the Patriots. The Seahawks had one against the great Broncos, you know, of Peyton's year when they were the leading scoring team of all time. The Giants did it to the Patriots. You know, we've seen some great ones, but in terms of how bad the Eagles defense made the Chiefs look,

the fact that the Chiefs didn't cross midfield on their first nine possessions of the game and that the Chiefs, they never had to blitz once to sack Patrick Mahomes six times on 16 pressures. I just thought it was a breathtaking defensive performance. And the 70s Steelers, yeah, they did it to the Vikings, but the Cowboys scored 31 against that Steelers defense. That Steelers defense was great. Don't get me wrong. I still consider in terms of a team the 85 bears to be the best defense of my lifetime watching,

but I'll give you the floor for your Super Bowl reaction. Well, you know, it's funny. I was talking to somebody who had not watched the game, but had been following it on their phone occasionally while they were out at an event. and they asked me, they said, was it boring? Because I couldn't believe how one-sided the score was every time I checked. And I said, it was too stunning to be boring. Yes.

It was stunning, especially the second home interception. I mean, I just, my jaw hit the floor watching that happen. So even though it was such a one-sided game, you were watching something in your wildest dreams you didn't think would be happening that Sunday. You just didn't think that was going to be the way this was going to go. So you thought he thought it was a good show. I picked the Eagles. I knew the Eagles, particularly based on the way they played Washington,

we're going to be physically tough, you know, but. But Mahomes, we've had this discussion last week. I put him among the greatest of all time. and to see him be so helpless was just absolutely stunning. It was a stunning game. And it was a memorable game, even though the score didn't really indicate that at any point during the game. But it was memorable for the physical beatdown that the Eagles gave and the meltdown by Mahomes. I totally agree, and I said it yesterday.

I said a game like that is boring for a lot of people because it's not competitive, but for me watching it, it was thrilling, it was entertaining. Part of it was the stunning nature of it because it was shocking that it was that one-sided. But the other part was, I don't know, man, sometimes over the years I enjoy a defensive beat down as much as I enjoy a team scoring 45 points and being unstoppable. because there's some, especially in this day and age of football, to see that happen, to see a front four dominate a game like that, we all know the old adage, you know, offense puts people in the seats, defense wins championships, but that in the last 10, 15, 20 years this century has been put to the test many times because the league's rules are designed to aid the offense to have more scoring, more exciting plays, and to see what happened when you've got

a dominant front four that dominates the other team's offensive line that you can still win that way and not just win that way, but completely dominate the other team that way, that part for me was just fascinating and also simultaneously exciting to watch. And, you know, yeah. It was far more dominant than the statistics would have even shown. Oh, 100%. Because of the greatness of Mahomes. I mean, because you have a quarterback that is as elusive as any quarterback we've ever seen,

a quarterback who was able to just escape, you know, the grasp of so many defenders we've seen over the years. And we've seen him triumph under pressure, stop it defensive pressure before, but not like this. Not like this, the fact that they did it, and they did it against this guy. If this was the first time you ever watched Patrick Mahomes play, you'd walk away going, oh, that guy's not very good. I mean, the other team had a lot to do with it. If that was the first time, I would have said, where's Carson when? Put him in.

Right. But I think that's a really good point. I think back to what the 85 bears were, and that, to me, start to finish the beginning of the season until the end of the season, is the most swarming, suffocating, physically dominating defense I've ever seen. but they played Tony Eason and the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl.

That was an accidental AFC team in the Super Bowl. Exactly. It was supposed to be Marino and the dolphins in a rematch, and the dolphins had been the only team that had moved the ball and scored points. They beat the Bears 3824 and Monday night football in December of that year. That's the greatness of Marino. Like when we talk about the greatness of Marino, really the fact that he lit the 85 Bears,

up late in the season is insane. And it would have been cool to see a rematch of that. And that's what everybody was hoping for. But the Patriots upset the Dolphins in the AFC title game in the Orange Bowl, by the way. The one that I think is the comp is Denver was unstoppable with Peyton Manning in 2013. And Seattle's defense completely swarmed them from the opening gun and never let them up for air. Never let him up with a chance to breathe. And look, the Giants did it to Brady, but look, in the 2007 Patriots, but they still

move the football. They still scored points. He still had a really good chance to win the game. And that was Peyton, you know, in the twilight of his career coming back up to the dead injury. But that was his great season. I put up great numbers. Yeah.

But Mahomes is in his prime. Yeah, Mahomes is in his prime. Yes. Mahomes is in his prime. The Ravens had that dominant defensive season, but they beat Kerry Collins and the Giants in the Super Bowl. This was Mahomes, some people already referring to him as the goat, in his prime in the midst of a dynastic run.

And Tommy, I went back and looked at that Tampa Bay game in which they were really bludgeoned in that game too by Brady and the Buccaneers. It was completely different. that he did not play poorly in that game. The final score would indicate that he played poorly. He actually didn't play poorly. The only chance they had is because he actually didn't play that badly. He didn't have a chance to play well.

And I'm still a little bit stunned that Andy Reid, who I said yesterday on the podcast, had a bad day too. Look, in order for me, and I'll let you put it in order. Philadelphia's defense, number one, number two, number three reasons. Philly is the world champion. Number two is Jalen Hertz, who was once again outstanding in a big game. And then three is the fact that Mahomes and Andy Reid had really bad nights. I mean, I don't know what Andy Reid was thinking, dropping him back continually when they had no chance to protect him. There wasn't enough quick games, screens.

They didn't even try to run the football. I don't know that anything would have worked, by the way. I'm not suggesting that anything would have worked. And maybe he said, no, thanks for the suggestion, but that's not going to work either. They're that good. Our best chance is to hit on some big plays and have 15 run around and try to make a play. And maybe that's the answer he'd give. But wow, what a performance by the Eagles.

Is that the order you put it in? I would agree with that order. I definitely would agree with that order. Andy Reid did not have a good day, but you're right. It may not have made much of a difference. But what they were doing certainly wasn't working at that point. And the Chief looked so defeated on the field. It was reminiscent of – I remember that Seahawks' Broncos game

and how dominant the Seahawks defense was how help was Hayton and the Broncos. kind of seemed like that. That was the way the chief felt. They felt hopeless. You know, but, but, okay, all that said, and I know the lead was dominant, you know, and then the chiefs came back with garbage points and garbage stats. But did you think at any point as, as that was happening, that Pat Mahomes just ran out of time, that eventually he would have brought them back?

No, no, because Philadelphia, Philadelphia had backups in the game in the fourth quarter. I know. I know. I know. I know. No, in fact, I don't know if I said this yesterday. When you had the third touchdown to make it 17-0, I texted, I was on multiple group text

during the game, but I just texted, I know it's Mahomes, but this game is over. They are not going to be able to score. Actually, it was 24 to nothing when I wrote that. which by the way is not a big limb that I jumped out on. But when they picked off Mahomes deep in their own territory at the end of the first half, Zach Bonn had that incredible interception, and they went up 24-0. I'm like, this is over because Kansas City can't score 24 points against this defense. It just doesn't, they can't do it.

We've just watched an entire half. They have gone backwards on every drive. I mean, this team had one first down in the first half that was on the first play from scrimmage and had 23 yards. Again, nine drives. It's an all-time Super Bowl record for a team. The longest a team's gone before crossing midfield. They didn't cross midfield until it was 34-0 game over and it was late in the third quarter. I mean, that was just.

for Vic Fangio, defensive coordinator. Happy for him. Oh, and eight. Against the Chiefs. I didn't know that stat. I read that stat over the weekend, because I would have mentioned that on the show. He was 0 and 8 against the Mahomes Chiefs,

and I'm like, wow, that's interesting. He was the, you know, he was in Miami last year. They were completely injured, decimated in that playoff game that was played at 6 below zero, you know at Arrowhead where you had people that ended up with frostbite, et cetera, from that game. And the dolphins were completely out of their weather element in that game. And he blitzed more than he had blitzed at any point during the season against Mahomes because he didn't have Chubb.

He didn't have his best pass rushers. And he couldn't generate a pass rush. So he said, if I'm going to go down, I'm going to go down that way. And then a year later in the Super Bowl, he doesn't blitz once, not once. time, and he just completely puts Mahomes under siege on every single pass play. I was happy for Vic Tangio. I've been a fan for a long time from afar. Yeah.

Those were the Eagles. Okay, let me say this. Those were the Eagles that we saw against Washington, right? What are you about to lead to? Yet Washington moved the football and scored points? No, no, I'm not about to lead to any. Okay. I'm just going to say that

that Eagle team that showed up on Sunday is the one we saw that showed up two weeks before against Washington. Yeah, except that Washington moved the football and scored points. I know that. Yeah.

I know they did, but the Eagles, the performance, the dominant physicality that Philadelphia showed. It was like, you know, the term, the best term to describe it is manhandling. You know, particularly on the law. on both sides to the ball.

And I felt it was like the same Eagles team that played against Washington. Now, Washington did a better job with it than Reed and Malmston. Yeah, I mean, I said yesterday, and I had Doc on radio today, and we were talking about this, that if you ask the Philadelphia Eagles, the team that, you know, they had the most difficult time defending with that number one defense in the NFL, and a team that probably put on one of the greatest defensive shows in Super Bowl history, there's no way that they wouldn't say Washington, that that was the team that they had the most difficult time defending.

You know, they won two out of the three games, and they won the NFC championship game by 32 points, so we understand that. But we also understand why that happened. Washington turned the ball over four times, and their defense just isn't good enough against, you know, a good team. again, Washington turned a ball over four times in part because of the Philly defense. That's true. They were forced turnovers for the most part, but, you know, Washington moved the football against Philadelphia in the two of the three games, certainly. And really at times even in that first game, although it wasn't pretty and it was not consistent.

Right. Right. Let me ask you, you know, I had picked Philly to win. I picked a far closer game. So did I. I picked Philly by two. Okay. I was curious. I didn't know who you picked in the game.

And my footnote certainly didn't come true. Barclay did not have a big game. Right. Yeah, that's the other part of this. I just wanted to know who you picked. Yeah, I picked, I didn't pick the game from a betting standpoint. The game was really split from a betting standpoint. But I, you know, we talked.

talked about this last week. I picked Baltimore against Kansas City last year. I picked San Francisco against Kansas City last year. I'm pretty sure I picked Buffalo in the AFC championship game and I said, I'm going to go one more time against Kansas City. I think Philadelphia is just a better overall team, but I thought it would be, you know, a nail biting down to the finish game. I did have, who did I have? Oh, Thomas Demetroff. the former general manager of the Atlanta Falcons on radio last week from Radio Row. You know, he was the GM in Atlanta when Dan Quinn was the head coach in Atlanta. And I think it was him.

I could be confusing because I had multiple people on last week from Radio Row. Anyway, he said he thinks he liked Philadelphia, but he said the key is they're going to have to be up two scores. You know, you can't beat Mahomes if he's got the ball at the end down. by less than seven. And I feel the same thing. I mean, there's anybody that's ever watched Kansas City for the last seven years where if that score had been close in Mahomes, it had the last opportunity that wouldn't have understood what was on the verge of happening. But that was never a possibility. And, you know, the only thing about Philadelphia, like if I were an Eagles fan,

I would just be upset that I gave up all those yards in the fourth quarter and gave up, you know, back-to-back touchdowns and two-point conversions. Because that was a 40 to nothing game with the eye test, even though it ended up being 40 to 22. That team had 45 total yards towards the end of the third quarter in zero points. But Philly played some backups, but even their backups at times played great. You know, I mentioned something yesterday and then somebody sent me his pro football focus grade because the PFF grades took forever to get up yesterday, I guess. I said that they did it without Jalen Carter playing great because he was the least noticeable at times during the game.

And it turns out he had the lowest defensive PFF grade. Now, I wouldn't have thought that he would have had the lowest grade necessarily in the game. I would have thought that because he was double-teamed a lot and he did draw a holding penalty. but they did it with guys like Hunt who, you know, nobody really knew. And Brandon Graham came back. You know, I wasn't expecting that. I don't think anybody was. And the guy, Jomo, number 97, I think that's how you pronounce his last name.

They were just swarming defensively. By the way, I had somebody on from Cleveland today. He thinks Miles Garrett will get traded to San Francisco. but he thought Washington was the second best possibility. You know, Philadelphia is in the top three or four odds to land Miles Garrett. I was thinking about that. Which would make it even more important for Washington to nail him. I mean, if you're not going to get him, you certainly don't want him against your playing for your division rival.

Because Josh Sweat is an unrestricted free agent. So if they let him walk and they traded for Garrett, they'd be able to easily afford it and extend him. I mean, I just, I don't want to see Miles Garrett in Philadelphia. And I don't want to see him in Detroit either because that's a possibility. Him and Aiden Hutchinson on the same D-line would be really quite the combo. But yeah, it was really impressive. And, you know, that'll lead us into the next discussion, which, by the way,

you wrote a column kind of about. And I do want to get that, get to that in the next segment. But there were a couple of other emails I wanted to read real quickly. One other, yes. One other note, if I could just drop, I thought it was just an interesting tidbit. And to give credit, I read it in the Yahoo Sports Newsletter by Kendall Baker. One of my favorite sports newsletters I get. You know, the Eagles, I mean, for years, the team that had won the most world champion, championships in Philadelphia had long since left the city. The Philadelphia Athletics Baseball team won five World Series,

and they left in the 50s to go play in Kansas City. And for years, the winning a championship team in Philly were the athletics until the Eagles won on Sunday, which gives them five NFL championships. Wow. But only two Super Bowels. Yes, but look, I'm sorry. Those trophies didn't turn to dust. They won in 48, 49, and 60.

That's fine. But the league got bigger in the Super Bowl era. I just want to make sure that, you know, you know, and all of our listeners know, that in the NFC East, the marquee division in football, the marquee division, one of them in sports, that the Eagles still trail in Super Bowl trophies with two. Washington's got three, the Giants have four, the Cowboys have five.

They're still at the bottom in Lombardi trophies. Where would that be in overall championships? Because Washington has the three Lombardies. They have the, do they have two NFL world championships with Sammy Ball? They had two, yes. Yeah, so they have five total also. They have five. They have five NFL titles.

Yeah. They won in 42 and they won in what, 37? Is that it? Yes, the first year. They were here. What about 45? Didn't they win it in 45? You know, they should have won it in 45.

Oh, but they lost to Cleveland? Yes. Cleveland Rams. Yeah, a cold day in Cleveland where I think a kick hit the upright or a pass hit the upright or something like that that wound up changing the rules of the game. importantly, the field was

slippery, and the Rams did not have good footwear to play on that slippery field that the Redskins brought up sneakers with them to wear, and we're going to put the and the owner, George Preston Marshall, said put those sneakers on in the

second half, and the coach said, no, that's not fair, and they wound up losing, I think, 15 or 14. Oh, that's, why wouldn't that have been fair? They were prepared, the other team wasn't. Maybe he had an agreement with the opposing code saying that they wouldn't use them. But yeah, they should have won that one in 45. So in 37 and 42, did they beat the Bears both times?

Yes, they did. Okay. And of course, in 40, they lost to the Bears. Yes. 73-0. Okay. That's really going down, memory. Which, which, based on a column I wrote last week,

week was the basis for the Eagles winning the 48 and 49 championships. I wrote about Greasy Neal, the coach for those Eagles teams, and how he used the game film from that 73-0 beat down to develop the Eagles offense that wound up winning the NFL titles in 48 and 49. Remember, game films were not easy to get in the 40s. You had to deliver them by train, and it took a while. All right, this from Travis. Travis writes, Kevin, I just finished listening to your Monday Super Bowl review show, which opened with audio of Cooper DeGine's pick six. As a Washington fan that lives in Iowa and cheers for the Hawkeyes, it pains me to see DeGene in Philadelphia, especially when he could have been in Burgundy and gold.

I'm curious how you feel about the draft trade now with the season complete and how you think our team might have been different if DeGine had landed in Washington. You know, for those of you who forgot, Washington traded out of 40 with the Philadelphia Eagles. And the trade coming back was, so the Eagles, Washington traded their second round pick, which was number 40 overall, and a third round pick, number 78 overall, to the Eagles for Philadelphia is number 50 and number 50. three in the second round and a fifth rounder. So Washington ended up, remember, in that draft, moving back in the second round after they took Johnny Newton, remember at 36, and then in back-to-back picks, they took Mike Sanra still, and then at 53, they took the tight end, Ben Senate from Kansas State. Well, what Philly did with number 40 is they took Cooper DeGine. Cooper DeGine was a projected first-round pick who had slipped. By the way, Johnny Newton was a projected.

in some areas, a projected first round pick. And Washington, when they saw Johnny Newton fall to 36, they were not going to trade that pick. They wanted Johnny Newton. But yeah, at 40, Washington could have taken Cooper Dijeen. But the guy they apparently wanted was Mikey Sanristil as a cornerback that they thought they could get and they could pick up another second round pick from Philadelphia. So they made the trade.

Sanristil was an excellent player. Cooper DeGine was a great player at Iowa, as Sanra still was at Michigan, and was really thought to be a steal at 40. You know, time will tell. Cooper DeGine's got a ring, and he has a pick six in the Super Bowl, and he played great. And, you know, I'm not sure Washington, by the way, not that I would blame them for, you know, making the trade,

even if they thought maybe they were going to take Cooper DeGine. But the Eagles taking Quinyan Mitchell in the first round, did they think that Philadelphia was going to take another corner? Well, they did. Philadelphia is really good at personnel. Howie Roseman's great. And last year, that defense fell apart, and it fell apart because it got older,

and it was super slow on the back end. And they completely revamped their defensive football team. and added more team speed and added youth. And it turned into an incredible juggernaut. How do I feel about the trade, Travis? I like Mikey Sanr still a lot. And I've got hopes that Ben Sinait will end up becoming a good player as well. But, man, they got a good one in Cooper DeGene.

Would have been nice to have Cooper DeGene, but it's really nice to have Mikey Santer still. So there you go. Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, it's not like, this is not like, what, who's the quarterback for the Patriots, Christian Gonzalez? Yeah, Christian Gonzalez. This is not picking Emmanuel Forbes instead of Christian Gonzalez kind of situation. Right.

You know? I mean, Washington got themselves a very good football player. Very good football player. They did indeed. Okay. So there are other things I want to get to, including something about Jaden Daniels that somebody emailed being about that I did see. There was a kind of a video that went viral from Super Bowl Week. We'll talk about that. We got a lot to talk about on the show. Tommy's enjoying himself

in breezy, breezy Florida. We have just started with the snow here in D.C., and we're on our way to four to six inches, apparently today. So there's that. How do you feel about being in Florida on a day in which we're getting four to six inches of snow? Well, I always enjoy those days, particularly since I had to suffer through the same polar vortex you guys did a couple weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. But you're not getting this one. I mean, no, we're not getting this one.

It's 69 degrees here, but it's windy. And it's about 25 mile an hour wind. Oh, that's terrible. So the wind chills like 63, 62? Yeah, something like that. But it's windy. Okay. I mean, we're right on the water here.

Enough of you. You know? I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. I love snow, but I am getting sick of this winter up here. More next after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey, guys, being healthy is a big part of my life, but I'm not hardcore about it. I just want to incorporate better habits into my life, like getting more protein in my diet.

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So I saw this quote from Dan Gratziano from ESPN, from last week, I guess, on Radio Row or, I don't know, maybe Super Bowl weekend. But he was talking about Washington and Washington's offseason, which is something you wrote about in the Washington Times today. So Gratziano said, quote, expect the commanders to be aggressive this offseason and pursuing roster upgrades on defense. Much like the Texans last year after C.J. Stroud's dazzling rookie season,

Washington believes it has something special in quarterback Jaden Daniels and wants to maximize his rookie contract window. Getting to the NFC championship game in Daniels' first year only makes Washington more likely to get aggressive for someone like Miles Garry. if and when Cleveland decides to move him. Washington needs a lot of work on defense, and don't be surprised to see the team stretch for an impact player or two in the coming months. The commanders were 19th in defensive EPA this season. That's expected points added. By the way, they were much lower than that and a lot of advanced metrics defensively. As we know, they were a bad run-stopping

team. So Tommy, what I've said, and maybe with you last week, this is window number one. It's the first time we've had a window to discuss in all of the years that we've been doing a show together. We've never had a window. You know, that's for the real franchises, the good franchises. Well, Washington's one of those now. They are in a window. The window being, they've got a rookie quarterback who is elite, who still has two years left on his current deal before you're allowed to do anything with the final two years, which would include a fifth year option that you would obviously pick up if you even get to that point. The window being take advantage of this rookie contract having the best quarterback in the NFC

to not go further in the postseason, no, to win the Super Bowl. Bowl. This is the window. You've got the third most amount of space, salary cap-wise, third or fourth, depending on which, you know, chart you use. You have a chance to swing and swing big and bring in a team that can go win the Super Bowl right now. And I am all for that. Dan Gratziano's, you know, statement is not a surprise, I don't think. The C.J. Stroud season was a nice season in Houston. They won 10 games and one playoff game. Washington won 12 games and they were within a game of the Super Bowl. And by the way, Daniels' rookie season and Daniels as a player exceeds Stroud as a player. Stroud's good. Don't get me wrong. Had a terrific rookie season. They have the best quarterback in the NFC.

CJ Stroud plays in the AFC where Michael Jordan plays. Patrick Mahomes, which, you know, he's lost to Mahomes now multiple times in, well, once in the postseason. I think he's 0 for three overall. Go for it. Swing big. It's not the greatest free agent class,

so it's not syncing up with the opportunity in terms of great players and a lot of them. But I say go for it. It sounds like from your column, the same thing. Yeah, I wound up using a quote from Jalen Hertz and the Super Bowl after the game. When he talked about how they lost the Super Bowl two years ago to Kansas City, and he says things come right on time.

The last time around, it wasn't out time. It wasn't my time. Sometimes you have to accept that you have to wait your turn. Well, I wrote that, you know, basically it wasn't Washington's time in the NFC time. title game. Okay. Now it is. Now moving forward, they move to the front of the line. It's Washington's time to think we deserve to be in the Super Bowl. That's ours to win. And they need to add, and Adam Peters needs to act accordingly, I think, or should act accordingly in the offseason. Not, you know, not follow some kind of slow process blueprint.

but they've got, you know, a guy who, who's, Jane Daniels has sped up the timetable for this team dramatically. And they need to, I'm sure they recognize that. And I'd be disappointed if I was a fan if they weren't aggressive this offseason. Not Snyder-like aggressive, but normal football, like, intelligent football-like aggressive. Well, it's interesting. This would be the moment in which,

it would make sense to be Snyder-like aggressive, not in terms of, you know, the way Snyder did it, overpaying by miles and, you know, getting fleeced on every deal. But Snyder never had an actual window. He viewed every offseason as some sort of window, but it was a marketing window, you know, for him. You know, I trust Adam Peters in his group because it's not, you know, when you look at like the top free agents, let's just say, in this offseason, T. Higgins, number one, Washington has a need for another receiver. My emphasis, and this is very much something that you're not going to get me off of. Just like in years past, you weren't going to get me off.

The quarterback is what you have to keep swinging for before you build out the offensive line and the defensive line and then go to the quarterback tree and get your quarterback. No, it was quarterback. Now that we have the quarterback, now it's about building up the offensive and defensive lines, especially when you consider the team that you are chasing, which is a bully physical type of team in the trenches. So T. Higgins would be nice. And Washington's got all this cap space. So they have an opportunity to do a lot of things. But, you know, I'm looking, at say, well, I'm looking at Miles Garrett. That's more of a trade opportunity. You know, you've got a guy like Ronnie Stanley who had a great year in Baltimore. He's an unrestricted free agent. You've got,

you know, a guy, you know, in the trade market, the trade market's interesting. Debo Samuel, if I didn't say this yesterday, I'm a bit of a no one, Debo Samuel. I think he's a great player and a great competitor. He just seems to always... He hasn't had... He hasn't had he doesn't have the availability ability like Doc would like to say. Yeah, I don't think, you know, I looked up the, like I tweeted out, he's just not available enough, you know, he's on the injury report too much. He doesn't miss as many games as he's on the injury report for, which means he's not playing a lot of those games at 100, and he plays such a physical style.

I'm not up for that. I am up for Miles Garrett. I'm 100% thinking about a Miles Garrett. I absolutely, and you've got to trade for him. He's not a free agent. So some of these opportunities that are big opportunities are more in the trade area, which is obviously higher risk. You know, you're just losing money in free agency.

You're losing draft choices when you trade. But I'm all for emphasizing thinking big like this is the first. of what will be many windows during the Jaden Daniels era, but the first one which you would call the rookie contract window. Ironically, Tommy, you know, they signed Jalen Hertz to the long-term contract extension and then won the Super Bowl, you know? So they didn't win it with him on his rookie deal. They won it with him on his second deal.

And he signed that deal before last year, right? Not before this year. Pretty sure he signed it before last year. So, but you got Jaden Daniels already the best quarterback in the NFC, debatably, already a top five elite quarterback in the game, and you can't, by rule, extend them until after the 2026 season, and you've got an S load of cap space. So go out, build up your defense. You've got to think defense first, in my opinion.

you've got to have, you know, a game, you know, a player that elevates everybody around them, Miles Garrett would do that. You've also got to make sure that the character is right. You know, those are the things I'm going to trust them on. But this is a big opportunity. Yeah. Look, I'm going to spitball here. And just because I don't know what the outcome of this is. But I haven't, I have my instincts tell me that it's easier.

the draft to get an immediate impact pass rusher than it is an immediate impact offensive lineman. Would you think that's true? Yeah, I would say, that's interesting. I think forever the position that's so obvious that rookies make the biggest impact, you know, running back, because it's the position in which, to be honest with you, it requires the least amount of experience and even, for the lack of a better description, intellect. But to be a really good one, pass pro, all that stuff, no doubt.

You know, there is some intellect required to play running back. But running back, and then I would say, yeah, a get-after pass-rusher. Go get the quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. There's just a basic, you know, talent there that's required, which means you think is it more advantageous to go after a guy like Ronnie Stanley who could help you immediately as opposed to drafting a rookie cackle who, you know, it's very rare that you have

rookie offensive linemen that have a huge impact on a team. but it is possible with a pass rusher. I don't know what the pass rushing situation is in the draft. It's good. And you remember Washington. It's a good edge pass rushing draft. There are some real studs, including the kid from Penn State, Abdul Carter, who potentially could go number two overall to a team like Cleveland who picks number two and made trade miles Garrett.

So you've got... I mean, if you're looking to... win next year, Ronnie Stanley might help you more. Yeah, I think he stays in Baltimore. But yeah. You know, I don't think you can have both. Maybe they can do both. The train for Garrett and Sign Stanley. You know, actually there's no reason why they couldn't do both. My emphasis in this first off-season window again would be defense, because I think we already saw that Cliff Kingsbury and Jaden Daniels together can make everything around them look a lot better, from protection to second and third receivers.

You know, the scheme made Diami Brown look so much better than he's ever looked. I think it's really important they bring Zach Ertz back. I've already mentioned that, but I think having Ertz on the team was big this year. You're going to get Brandon. They need a running back. You're going to get Brandon Coleman a talent going into his second season. do they view him as a starting left tackle, like a really good starting left tackle? He certainly flashed at times, but they'll need depth in that position, no doubt.

The center was so important to them this year. That was a really good off-season signing. You needed a veteran center with a rookie quarterback anyway, and Tyler Biotish played great. You could say the strength of their offensive line definitely is the combination of Biotic and Cosmi. But you're looking for better and more physical because you've got to run the ball better. You can't have your quarterback be the leading rusher in 10 games next year. But more importantly, you really, I don't think, have a chance to win as many games and go as far as you did this year. If you repeat what you were defensively next year.

Last year, you had the benefit of the 12th easiest schedule in the NFL. The ball bounced your way in so many games, you know, starting in week two where Graham Ganoe gets hurt on the opening kickoff. You had a Hail Mary win. You had Devante Smith drop a third and five pass that would have never given Washington the chance and Jaden Daniels the chance for the magic in the second Philadelphia game. I mean, how many times is Devante Smith going to drop that ball? ball. That would have ended the game. You had the Saints two-point conversion at the end. I mean,

it was a year in which the ball bounced your way against a not very brutal schedule. Next year, if you go into that season and you get gashed on defense the way they did at times this year, it's not 12 wins, and it's more likely than not two road wins to get to an NFC championship game. because if you can't stop the run, you're not going to win the division. So that to me is the emphasis. You've got to become a better defensive football team in particular against the run. They overcame it with as Doc calls him Houdini at quarterback over and over again. But can you do that two years in a row?

I don't know. Probably not. But I think they can get better. It certainly would start with Miles Garrett because he's a dominant pass rusher, the best we've seen in the last eight years, and he's also an outstanding run stopper. So you'd have two birds killed with one stone, and that's not the end of it.

You keep going. You keep adding. But imagine the pressure you take off of Louvo and Wagner with a guy like Garrett. Yeah. All right. Well, we're in unison here. This is window.

number one, the first one we've been able to discuss in all of the years we've been doing this together, and we think they should absolutely go for it. Absolutely. And they have to. Here's the other part of that, is that if Philadelphia was in another division, you would still be thinking about Philadelphia, but because they're in your division, you've got to win more games than they do. You have to end up with the first round by or with at least two games at home and a game against them if you play them in the postseason at home rather than there.

Teams do it. It's happened, but it's harder to get to the Super Bowl having to win three games on the road. All right. We've got a few more things, including Tommy. I saw the Dylan movie. I want to tell you my thoughts on it. We'll do that and a little bit more sports. after a few words from some of our sponsors.

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All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelley's. Well, if you got a chance to go to Shelley's backroom at 1331 F Street, Northwest in the district to watch the Super Bowl, I'm sure you had a great time, had some great food, great drinks, and like I said, the only place you could do that to have a great smoke at the same time, too. But now, you know, football season is over, and we move on to hockey and the NBA, the NHL and the NBA. look, Shelly's is a home away from home for Caps fans. When there's a Caps home game, before the game, and after the game, you'll see the place filled with Caps fans wearing their jersey, you know, their jersey supporting their team.

It's also, I wouldn't say it's a wizard's bar, because I don't think a wizard's bar could survive in the district. But it's an NBA, it can be an NBA bar too, because a lot of visiting players and a lot of NBA players over the years like to smoke cigars and come the Shelley's when they're on the road or some other situation to smoke cigars. Dennis Rodman always made Shelly's one of his stops. Adela Harrington was a regular at Shelly's Paul Pierce.

And so there's a good chance if you're hanging out at Shelly's, you might run into an NBA player at some point during the rest of the season. You can find out more at shelley's backroom.com. Perfect on a day like today and tomorrow. Snow falling. You know, you still got people maybe going to work so you can peer out the window as people are bundled up with a briefcase trying to get to work as you're inside Shelley's watching the snowfall having a snow going to peer.

That would be perfect. for you other than the snow part. That really would. All right. We got this from Dave. Dave writes, Kevin, I'm curious to get your thoughts on Jaden Daniels out there on media road during Super Bowl week. I watched him on so many shows and podcasts and I thought he was so well prepared,

confident, and displayed more personality than we've seen throughout the year. Specifically, did you see him doing a test where he would watch a silhouette video of a QB and had to guess who it was. He crushed it. Apparently, the only person to have aced the test, it was damn impressive and reaffirms what we already know. The kid puts in the work. So yes, Dave, I did see that. Did you see this, Tommy?

Do you know what he's talking about? No, I don't. So I'll be honest with you. I don't know who gave him the test. It was on Radio Row, and I guess a lot of players, including quarterbacks who were on Radio Row took the test. But basically, he's watching a black and white silhouette video of a quarterback, you know, taking a snap and going through their dropback or going through some, you know, level of progression. And then he's got to guess who that quarterback is. He got every single one right.

It was Patrick Mahomes, and he just said, oh, that's Mahomes. And then after, you know, that's Kyler Murray. Oh, that's Josh Allen because of the way it comes out of his hand. Oh, that's Baker the way he kind of takes off and runs. Oh, that's the Lamar. Oh, that's too because he's left-handed. Oh, that's definitely Aaron Rogers, the throwing motion. He got every single one right.

You know what, Dave? That does tell me something. This guy is a football junkie. He loves to play it. He loves to watch it. He just, he cares about the sport. I do think there is something important about when you're playing in the game and then you're done, those dudes that don't care and don't watch the game versus those that do.

I think that there's a perspective you get from following the game if you're in it or if you're coaching it. I could be wrong. I'm not in the game playing it or coaching it. But, you know, it's like Cooley always said about, you know, the clock management conversations that we've had for so many years, Tommy. He would say, no, you actually do know more than a lot of the coaches, you and people like you who really get into this stuff, because coaches watch film. They don't watch games.

Players are in there watching all 22 film and personal. pairing off of that. And that takes the game context out of the review. I've always, I think that makes sense, you know, because it does make sense. Yeah. And Daniels nailed it. Loved it. Loved it. So, you know, look it up. It's actually really impressive. It's going to be interesting to watch them in the postseason, you know, particularly, you know, I mean, you know, you don't want to see happen, obviously. It'll just be interesting to watch him in the postseason, given our history of watching our star rookies in the off season,

it's not a stellar history. I think this kid is different. I think this kid will choose OTAs over Family Feud. You know what, though? if he does choose family feud, it won't be at the expense of OTAs. That was my biggest gripe. It wasn't that Chase Young did commercials

and did a family feud. It was that he didn't do it on a schedule, and he had to have some flexibility in some of this. He's an NFL player. He could have said, no, I can't do it on those dates because we've got OTAs. But I can do it on these dates. And most of those places, especially the, you know, the taping of a commercial.

But he didn't do that. He missed every single OTA day. I would hope Jaden Daniels takes advantage and will have no issue whatsoever if he becomes a guy that's in multiple commercials and he makes a killing and endorsements in the offseason. That what we're talking about. I know. We're talking about priorities. Right.

And him being, you know, basically the planet that the rest of the players revolve around, it's even more important for him to make sure he's there for all the OTAs and practices. Right. Yeah. I mean, and remember, they slapped a C on Chase Young's, you know, jersey during his rookie year. That's why they were giving them away like candy. Yeah. So two other things.

That's one thing that Dan Quinn did this year, I thought was smart. Different captains for every game. Yeah. Although it was the same once they get to the postseason. They picked their captains and had the same captains for what turned out to be three playoff games. You know, at one point this season, and then we changed our minds. But it was like, you got to get aggressive at the trade deadline.

chance to be a one or two seat. You got a chance to win a couple games and maybe go to the Super Bowl. And then when they lost those three in a row, it was like, okay, we got a little carried away. Well, ultimately, they got to the final four. They won two playoff games. And you know why they won two playoff games? The reason we said they could win two playoff games, because with him at quarterback, they can beat anybody on any given day. And it happened in Tampa and it happened in Detroit. He just couldn't overcome what Philly is. Not yet anyway.

But, I mean, the column I wrote in late September with the lead that says anything seems possible now. It does. People jumped all over you saying, oh, now, now, now.

Yeah. Now I'm on board. God. So stupid. So real quickly, I actually did watch Luca Donchich's debut in L.A. last night. He looked nervous. He's also not, it hasn't played in a while. But before watching Donchich, I actually watched a little bit of the Wizards game last night. They played the Spurs and Victor Wemba Niamma was in town. And with him there, it looked like a sold-out

building. They had a great crowd. But he's something else to watch, Tommy. I've watched a lot of him going back to last year. But have you watched a lot of Victor Wembeyanama yet or not? Wait a wait, wait a minute. This is the NDA, right? Yes. Have you watched him or not? Yes. He is a unicorn. But again, he's the ultimate. He's not the ultimate. But again, I like to see my big men not shoot from the outside so much, you know. But he's a force under the basket, too. he's so unique because it's not just that he's seven, three, and two, thirty-five. It's his arms are so long that he, the combined height and the length is like if he's inside the free throw line just barely, he can just kind of reach out and lay it in.

But here's why I brought him up. He's sensational to watch. And by the way, he's averaging eight. point eight three point attempts a game. But what struck me is last night he had in the game, he had three block shots. And he is a crazy shot blocker. He's had games this year where he's had double digits in block shots.

I mean, he's had 10 or more block shots, I think twice this year. And I was curious as to whether or not he was on pace for one of the best blocked shots. of all time. He's averaging 3.9 block shots per game. It's not even close. And what was really interesting is I started to look at the list. And Denton, my producer, actually pointed out, I think, 100% the reason why. Right now, Wembe Nyama is averaging 3.9 per game. He's on pace to finish 23rd all-time block shots in a season average-wise. Every single player in the top 22 is from the 20th century, not one player in the 21st century. Do you know why?

You should know why. Tell me why. Well, Denton, I'm going to give him credit. Well, they didn't keep a shot block statistic. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Yeah, they did. Not until the mid-70s.

Well, that's the mid-70s. I mean, Elmore Smith is third. Well, after Wilson retired. Okay. There's a reason which you're going to be pissed that you didn't get. Denton got it. It's because there aren't the same number of shots at the rim anymore. It's the three-point shot.

There's just all of these long-range three-pointers that are taken, which has made the number of shots at the rim where you see the significant. majority of block shots happen. You have many fewer of them. Here is the list of the 22 average seasons that are in front of Wembenyamas right now. Mark Eaton, he's got several of them. He, by the way, has the greatest block shot season in NBA history. In the 84-85 season, he averaged 5.56 blocks per game. Manute Bull is on this list several times. Elmore Smith, Hakeem's on this list several times. DeKembe is. David Robinson is.

Tree Rollins is. Kareem is. Patrick is. Alonzo is all 20th century players. So he is having the greatest 21st century block shot season. But he's nowhere near where the players were in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. That's the reason, right? It has to be the reason. That would seem to make sense.

By the way, he's capable of blocking three. Yeah. Until like 74. Okay. But we've had some great shot blockers. I mean, that's, you know, that's not, it's 74 is still, you know, so you missed out on Wilton Russell, obviously. Listen, listen to this.

Okay. This is, you know, this is why people can't take it seriously because it seems cartoonish, but it's real baby. The Wilts. And it shows you to massive difference in what this guy could do compared to mere morals. In 1968, Wilts Chamberlain had a game where he had 53 points, 32 rebound, 14 assists, 11 steals, and 24 blocks shot. Something just doesn't even make sense about that.

Honestly, I'm the first to point out because my father's favorite player was Wilt, and you've pointed out so much Wilt stuff over the years. The numbers are just so, there's no sport, no sport where you have a player from the past whose numbers are so outrageously different than anything. I mean, I think most of you know that Wilts Chamberlain averaged 50 points in a game, 50 points in a season, but did you know that he also averaged in that same season 25.7 rebounds a game? Like, that's just insane. And then, you know, he did things similar to that, you know, 44.8, 24.8, 24.3 rebounds.

I mean, it's crazy, the numbers. But that game that you just listed, it doesn't even seem possible that you could do that in one game. Did they stop the clock for 15 minutes? Did they play a fifth quarter? Was it an overtime game? Listen, I don't know. Russell blocked 25 shots in the game once, too. That's crazy.

What were the final numbers? Who did they play and what was the final score? I don't know who they played. Triple overtime. I don't know any of that. Anyway. Given those numbers, I doubt it was an overtime game. Wembenyama's sensational to watch, and he's 21 years old.

All right, so I saw a complete unknown. I forget. You liked it, right? I liked it. And I'm not a huge Bob Dylan fan. I'm not eye. I liked it. I'm not a Bob Dylan guy at all.

In fact, to be honest with you, over the years, I mean, there is a lot of music from that era that I listened to. I can't listen to Dylan. I mean, I just, it was never, I never understood it. I never got it. So was never a Bob Dylan fan. I thought this movie was really good. And I thought the acting by Timothy Shalame, who is great in everything, especially when you understand that he did all of the singing. He apparently was preparing for this role for three years. I mean,

I mean, Timothy Shalamee is like 25 years old, right? Yeah. But the guy that was just, and I just love him in everything, but Ed Norton is just brilliant in everything he does. He was so good in this movie. All time. Yeah. Yeah, he was good from, you know, everything I've read about it, that he really captured Pete Seeger. I mean, that was a real accurate portrayal of what Pete Seeger was like. Yeah. It was, I mean, again, it was, you know, when they talked about the time that Dylan went electric. Yeah.

You know, at the very end. Yeah, at the Newport Festival. Yeah. Right. And supposedly he got, and he got booed. Well, the reality is the next time he played, the next concert was at Forest Hills up in New York. And that's where he really got booed for going electric.

That's the one that made the big front page news back then. And my sister went to that show. Went to that show. And I remember her coming back and telling me about this, you know, that Bob Dylan got booed for going electric. But you're right. I mean, Edward Norton, by the way, I've mentioned before, a local kid from Columbia Maryland. I know.

But yeah, I recommend that to everybody. Look, my music biopics, my two favorite are the buddy Holly story and Cole Miner's daughter. This would be in the top five for me. God, music biopics, because we've had so many of them in recent years, you know. Yeah, you had the Dottie Pax one. You had the Freddie Mercury Queen. You had the Elton John, a Rocket Man. Johnny Cash walked the line.

The one that I loved was Love and Mercy, you know, the Brian Wilson. That was, you know, kind of a biopic. That is, that's awesome. Yeah, I mean, it seems like there have been a lot. Yeah, we both recommend it to anybody. Yeah, you know, the, I was reading a book. a little bit afterwards. The woman who played Joan Baez, by the way, was really pretty. And who is she? I forget who she is.

I forget, but it's, tell me, tell me, look, a woman who sing, I've always been in love with female singers song rights. Everybody is into that. But she was great. But the story about the first time that Dylan slept with Joan Baez in his apartment when El-Famette was, You know, El Fanning played his girlfriend at the time. Was her name Sylvia, Sylvia, Sylvie, whatever it was. But it's true, apparently, that the first time they slept together was night one of the 13 days from October Cuban Missile Crisis. That that story broke in that same moment. Now, here's something that I don't know if it's true or not.

because I know a little bit about the Cuban Missile Crisis. I've always been interested in it. There have been so many movies, obviously, about it. But were people really that panicked that they were running out of their homes when Kennedy talked about this on night one and talked about the imminent potential nuclear war? Were people really jumping on buses and getting out of big cities like New York and Washington? I didn't know that part of the story, if that's true, or if that was creative, you know, liberty there. Listen, I was seven years old, and the only things I cared about were the three stooges and Rocky and Bowling Qu.

But do you remember were your parents concerned? No. No, I don't remember it being something, again, no. I don't remember people, you know, in the streets worried about, you know. And this was a time when, you know, 61, I guess. I guess I was in second grade. It was 62, yeah. It was 62.

It was October of 602. Well, that's a time when they would do, you know, air raid drills that you'd have to get under your debt. Right. You know, it was like, it was this normal business for me. And, you know, you saw fallout shelter signs everywhere at the time. Yeah. But I don't remember. I have no recollection of the streets and panic from that.

Right. All right. Well, I mean, I don't think Joan Baez in real life was as attractive as the woman who played her. Right. Am I right about that? Well, she had, I mean, I thought she was attractive in real life. All right. I don't. You know? I'll tell you what, I think this probably helped give her career a reboot. Yeah. I think a lot of people discovered Joan Baez for the first time in this movie.

I'm not a big folk music person, so that whole genre, which obviously that was the, you know, that was sort of the basis for how upset everybody was at the Newport Folk Festival when Dylan came out with the electric guitar. And by the way, like a Rolling Stone is the one song from Dylan that I think is good of, because I've just never been a Dylan guy. That song, which was really the, that was on that album, what was it called Highway 61, I think it was, that he broke out in that festival with a lot of the new parts of his band. Now, you got to admit, you can separate Dill and the songwriter from Dill and the singer. I mean, his songs are classic, you know. I mean, if somebody else does, does them, they may sound more. attracted to you. He's a poet. He's a great poet. Yes. He's a Pulitzer Prize winner. Yeah. All right. We recommend it. Anything else?

I got nothing else for you, boss. Go play in snow. The snow has moved in. I am looking out my window here in my studio, and it's coming down pretty good. So, yeah, I like when snow's falling. I just don't like when it ends. I will talk to you on Thursday. Back tomorrow, everybody. See you, Tommy. See you, boss.