The Kevin Sheehan Show - Welcome Home Redskins

Episode Date: August 29, 2019

Kevin and Thom opened with the Redskins "Welcome Home Luncheon" which Thom attended. Bruce Allen spoke to Sherree Burress/NBC 4 about Trent Williams....Kevin and Thom discussed that. They got to Dwayne Haskins, the Nats, and which Redskins should have their jerseys retired as well. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Tommy's here. Aaron's here. This show's presented by Stamps.com. A little bit more on them, a little bit later on in the show. Do you have a difficult time spelling any words? Like, is there a word that sticks out right now that you always have a difficult time spelling? You're a writer. I would assume that you're pretty good speller. Or maybe not. Maybe the editor's able to. No, I'm a pretty good spell. Is there a word that you can't spell? Not really. There's not one word that you... There used to be subpoena, but eventually I got the hang of it. That's a tough one.

Yeah, that's a tough one, but eventually I got the hang of that. So for whatever reason, I'm writing an email yesterday to somebody who had said to me, hey, I just need a couple... I need some of your time, and I basically shot back to him. I'm like, look, you check your calendar and let me know the dates you've got available. every single time I try to write the word calendar, typing it or writing it. Typing it, it gets the little red squiggly thing underneath it all the time. I never spell it correctly.

Even though I think I know how to spell it, I never do it when I'm writing or spelling quickly. Can you spell calendar, spell it right now? It's hard for me to do this because I double check a lot of words as I'm writing them. Like, calendar would be a word that I would say, okay, let me make sure I got this right. Can you spell it right now? C-A-L-A-N-D-E-R. Uh-uh. The opposite.

It's E-N-D-R. You see, that's a word, but that's a word I would automatically check. Right. There's lots of words I would do that with as I was writing it. I asked this morning on the radio show, I said, just tweet me a list of all of the words. You know, tweet me the one word that you always have trouble with, and I had a lot of responses, but there was one that came up more than any other. I was surprised about this.

This came up five times. on five different responses, five different people, definitely, people don't get right. I guess it's because they don't, I'm going to write it right now, D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y. Is that how you spell it? That sounds correct. But I could see that maybe they're not sure if it's the E before the L or the L before the E at the end. Yes. I don't know if I spelled it correctly or not, but I could just try by typing it into this word doc real

Let me just see if I got definitely right. Boy, you know, I'm sorry I missed this on your radio show this morning. I got it right. All right. This must have been good stuff. You went to the Welcome Home Luncheon yesterday. How was it? It's always such a great event.

Exciting event. Lots of people. I mean, the fans always show up for the Welcome Home Lunch. It was so lame. Was it? It was the lame. I've been to a lot of them. I haven't been in a few years.

I used to have to go every year. Yeah, we used to. We did the show from there a couple of times. Do you remember the year we did it and Vinny sat down with us and then wouldn't leave? Yeah. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. I remember that.

Yeah. He was also angry about something that we had said, which was one of the reasons he stayed to talk about us when we went to break. I can't remember specifically what it was. I can't fathom why he would be angry at anything. He never really got angry. That's the thing about Vinny. Vinny was actually a nice guy, like a normal nice guy.

But then after I explained what it was, we were saying, he, I guess, said, okay, I understand what you're trying to do. And then he sat with us for like an hour and wouldn't leave. Like he didn't have anything more important to do. Well, that was in Northern Virginia, where most of these have been held of late. Last year, they moved it to D.C. to the Marriott Convention Center. Right. And last year's was almost a pep rally for a stadium in D.C.

The mayor came, spoke, talked about wanting to bring the Redskins back to the district. I think Snyder may have even spoken. He hasn't spoken in forever. Maybe he didn't speak. Did he speak yesterday? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. He didn't speak yesterday. But at least last year, there was a little bit of buzz and excitement about all the stadium talk.

Right. This year, it was like a home game at Ghost Townfield. That's basically what it was like. Were there a lot of empty tables? Well, there were some empty tape, but there was nothing going on. The Redskins cheerwaters, the introduction of players who won awards, you know, special teams award, defensive player to year, offensive player to year, all that stuff. Dan Snyder did not say anything.

Bruce Allen. Bruce Allen did not speak. So the team president and the owner did not speak at the welcome home luncheon. For fear of being booed by the few fans? that were there and bought tickets? Do you think that's it? I don't know. I bet that is it.

I think they worry about it. I think they were relieved when their names were mentioned and there were no booze. Was there loud applause? There was polite applause. So it was barely golf clap applause. Really? It was as lame a welcome home luncheon as I've ever seen. and what was interesting is before the luncheon they have an auction,

a silent auction to raise money for the foundation. Were there no names written down on the sheets? No, no, no, I'm sure that they raised a lot of money because there were a lot of cool stuff up for auction. What was cool? What was cool that they had? Well, one of the things I noticed is they had two jerseys, autographed jerseys. They probably had more, but specifically these two.

Mason Foster? No. They had a number seven by a former NFL MVP quarterback who led the Redskins to the Super Bowl? Hold on for a second, because I know the number seven now is Dwayne Haskins. I can't come up with it. Who was it?

His jersey was framed and autographed. Well, good. We want Joe to autograph and frames. I bet he's more interested in signing number seven jerseys now than he's ever been. The other one was another number seven, framed and autographed by the backup quarterback who hasn't played one down for this team yet in a regular season game. But that's not going to be. I know that was his number in the preseason.

Is that going to be his number in the regular season? Apparently so. Apparently so. Do you agree with me that Joe's not happy about this? Of course not. He's not happy. He was not. He was put in a no-win situation.

It was a ridiculous situation. You know, I had him on the show two weeks ago. I told him that. I said, you know, you don't have to respond to this, but I'm just going to tell you this. That was not your decision to make, and they put you in a very awkward position. And, you know, he went on, I like Dwayne, I talk to Dwayne and whatever. There's no doubt in my mind that he didn't say this to me. I am taking a guess here, but my guess is that Joe was not happy about being put into that position

and that B, more likely than not, he would have preferred that somebody, you know, maybe step in and say, no, this isn't going to happen this way. Joe's one of our protected jerseys. Here's the bottom line. We've talked about this before. Either retire the jerseys or don't make them all available. Yeah, I think there's only one, and that's Sammy Ball. And many of others have, many others have been protected.

Yes. And, by the way, protected or retired as a longtime, lifelong Redskin fan, I don't want anybody wearing number 44. I don't want anybody wearing number 28. I don't want anybody wearing number 81 again. I agree. You know, I want these jerseys retired. Now, if it came down to a discussion about which jerseys got retired and which wouldn't, you know,

and you're trying to make it truly like the elite highest level players, greatest players of all time, Joe would be in the discussion, but he's not a slam dunk like the guys I just mentioned. He's very close, though. Well, he's not a Hall of Famer. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. But he's very close.

He'd be retired if it was me. Oh, I think I would retire him too, but it would be more debatable than Rigo, Monk, Gerald Green, Sunny. I think it would be more debatable outside the Beltway than it would among Redskins fans. I think Redskins fans would not debate the issue. About Joe. I think people from the outside would say, why would you retire his jersey? you know, I mean, Peter King pretty much said that when this discussion came up. He didn't know what he said.

I know, that's my point. So anyway, I thought it was kind of curious that the backup quarterback who hasn't played it down for this team yet in a regular season game had an autographed frame jersey for auction. I don't know what it went for. I'm sure it was very valuable. Who went for more? I don't know. I'll tell you this. Before 2012 the summer, I went to a convention up in Baltimore, a sports collector's convention.

There were two helmets next to each other. was a Redskins helmet signed by Rippin, Thaisman, and Williams. One was a Redskins helmet signed for RG3, going for the same price. Really? Yeah. Wow. Well, there is still a wild group of passionate RG3 was wronged people. Oh, yeah.

That group exists. It's a small group. It's not a big group, but there are delusional. RG3 was railroaded and wronged by the organization people out there. You know, Amy Trask, who was the front office for the Raiders? On Twitter once, about a year or so ago, she tweeted something about Griffin that made it seem like the Redskins had pretty much ruined him. And I tweeted back to her, I said, listen, with all due respect, this guy wasn't a victim, he was a carrier. Yeah.

Okay. And she said, well, I'm sure there were a lot of people at fault. He's right. There were a lot of people at fault. Right, there were. In this, but he's... The owner and him, primarily. Yes, he was no victim. So I probably just opened up Pandora's box here,

but I just was writing down all the jersey numbers that would be considered for retirement. Okay. You ready? Yeah. Going sort of in order, sequential orders. Number seven is certainly, I put it on the list of we should discuss whether or not this jersey gets retired.

Number nine is an absolute lock. Nine is a Hall of Famer. Sunny's jersey gets retired. 17 Doug Williams, Bill Kilmer does not even get debated. That is not a retireable jersey. No, it's not. And it would be Doug over Billy because he's a Super Bowl winner. 28 is not even discussed.

It's absolutely a retired jersey. Darrell Green's jersey. 42 isn't even discussed. Charlie Taylor jersey is retired. 43 is not debated. Larry Brown's jersey is available for anybody that wants to wear it. Sorry, he was a one-time MVP, was one of my favorite players as a kid, but Larry Brown's jersey is not in the discussion.

Rigo's a lock at 44. Bobby Mitchell is a lock at 49. Chris Hamburger's jersey is open, and by the way, has been worn and was never even protected in the first place. Andre Collins had 55. Other players have had 55. Then we get into the 60s, and you talk about Jake and Grimm. Grimm's the Hall of Famer.

Jake's the player that most fans think should have been a Hall of Famer before Grim. This is tough. I mean, Jake's, both of these numbers have been given out. These numbers have not been protected in the years, but Grim is a Hall of Famer. Yes. I don't think I would retire either one of those jerseys. And in fact, I don't even know if either one of them would be at a level higher than Joe would. but I don't know

it seems like the Hall of Fame should at least be the dividing line Sam Huff no as a Redskin No Dexter no and then 81 100% Absolutely so the ones that are And Sammy Ball 100% yes

So the ones I've got as retired jerseys would be Sunny's number 9 Darrell Green's 28 Sammy Baas 33 Charlie Taylor's 42 Riggos 44 Bobby Mitchell's 49 and Art Monks, 81. Seven jerseys retired, period.

Now, the biggest one missing that would be a big, heavy debate, would be Joe's. I would put Joe's in there, though. Okay. So you'd have Joe's in there. I think I would, too. Yeah. But the others are slam dunk. No one's going to debate you on it.

I agree. Joe's would get debated, as would, you know, as would Jacobi's and Grims, and some would say Sam Huff's. But Sam Huff to me is much more of a giant than Redskin. Yeah, Sam Huff, yeah. I mean, Sam's identity as a Redskin came as a broadcaster. Right. You know, not as a player.

I'm not forgetting anything. He was at the tail end. I don't think so. No. Albert Hainsworth? No? I think I got them all. Yeah.

I think I got them all. I mean, Brian Mitchell's jersey is not a retireable jersey. You know, some would say Dugs because of the significance of, of what he did, but his career here in Washington was not a great career. No. He had a great moment. Yeah. Really. But the whole point on the number seven

with Dwayne Haskins that we've talked about before is, you know, don't make the kid feel entitled before he even takes a snap. Well, that's the owner's move, Tom. I know. That's, I mean, he has a jersey that nobody else could wear. That nobody else could wear.

Yeah. So he's already walking in and title. Yeah, I know. Hopefully it won't go to his head. Hopefully he's a good kid and he'll understand the difference between, you know, the owner reaching out to entitle him and the fact that there's a line that he can cross in that relationship that would be destructive. Hopefully he does because the other guy didn't. No. He didn't understand. Nope. The other guy liked the power. He loved the power. He had power. He expected the power. And he loved it. But, you know, this is one of the things. I mean, you know, I can hear it now. You're going to talk about how great the Redskins are going to be this year? No, we're not, actually. We're going to talk about that entitling a quarterback who's never taken a snap for your team

is one of the reasons that Dan Snyder is a bad owner, all right, and a bad manager. That's why. Let me ask you, let's come up with another list. Who are the most powerful players on the roster within the building? Who has the most power? Well, Trent Williams clearly doesn't. Let's stick with the quarterbacks. Does Dwayne Haskins have more power in Redskins Park than Case Keenham?

Yes. Okay. There you go. He does. And I can't think of many players. Who's got real power in the organization, right? Like a players that... Like a Clinton porvice used to.

Josh Norman probably has a very good relationship with management. Jonathan Allen, maybe? Yeah, except John is not that kid. No, he's not. John understands, you know, management and then coaches and who he reports to and who he takes direction from. But his voice would have some weight, I would think. It probably would, but he would understand not to give it weight other than in the locker room with players. Yes, he would.

He wouldn't go above his coaches to go to the owner. Yeah, there's no, there's no Deshawn Jackson. No. There's no. Would it be Josh Norman? It might be Josh Norman. It might be, but it's not, I mean, you really, I mean, you'd be hard pressed to find a player on that roster who has more influence in the building than Dwayne Haskins does. And again, and I believe that this may be the case.

Well, time will tell. I just don't think he is the kind of person that's going to take advantage of that. It's not his fault that the owner, you know, is, you know, entitling him or has entitled him or would like to entitle him. him more. It's how he handles it. I agree. A hundred percent. The, uh, the truth of the matter is when you look at the players that they've acquired for the most part in recent years, they've been, you know, people that are more accountable, accountable and reliable. Yes, they have. They have not gone for the big name with the big wallet and the big power that goes with. Except for Landon Collins. And we'll see how that works out. Actually, I think, you know, I know, it's preseason. You can't tell,

but I think he's going to be a good player for them. All right, so is interesting, I guess, that team owner at the welcome home luncheon that neither the team owner nor the team president spoke, because I guarantee you you would not find one welcome home luncheon where Jack Kent Cook didn't kick it off somehow or didn't speak. Yeah. Or Bobby Bethard and or Charlie Casserly didn't say something. Like I said, I remember the days...

Did Jay Gruden talk? No. No, no. I remember the days... Who was the MC? Did Doc? Who was the, it was Lindsay's Arniac. Oh, Lindsay? Lindsay was the MC.

And at the end, they did the interview with Matthew McConaughey on stage. And, you know, look, I like Matthew McConaughey. I think I love, I love the Lincoln lawyer Matthew McConaughey. The true detective Matthew McConaughey. That doesn't do that much. See, I like some of those Christian books. I mean, the true detective one. The Lincoln Brief was the best.

Just spoiled me. I mean, they'll never. I mean, that was just a remarkable performance. I wasn't interested in Matthew McCona. He did a philanthropist. It just didn't hold much interest for me. It wouldn't have for me either. How much of the time he spent on that?

Well, a lot of it. And he talked about the Redskins, how he became a Redskins fan. And that was an interesting story that we heard before. He was good. He was very personable. He was very nice. And apparently after it, he was very friendly with everybody who had. Did you go up and talk to him?

No, I didn't go up and talk to Matthew McConnell. What do you say? I'm writing a column about how you became a redskin fan. Because I didn't want to write a column about how he became a red skin fan. Sometimes you take my column ideas. Yes, I do. By the way, whatever you do, don't call him Matt. Okay.

I've learned that from a friend of mine who spent time with him. His name is Matthew. It's not Matt. Anyway. So part of the Welcome Home Luncheon yesterday was an interview that Sherry Burris from NBC 4 did with Bruce Allen. I like Sherry a lot. I do the Redskins Showtime show with her.

She hosted that last year after Carol left Channel 4. And I like Sherry. And she did a great job hosting that. And to be honest with you, Tommy, I swear to God, this is true. And maybe you're going to come up with the others. I'm not sure I can name another local sports anchor on Channel 5, 7, or 9. I know Sherry is Channel 4. and I know that there's this Asian guy on the weekend.

I don't know what his name is on Channel 4. He's very enthusiastic. He does a pretty good job. George Wallace does Channel 4 sometimes. Dave Johnson. Do you know who the Channel 9 sportscaster is or the Channel 7 sportscaster? Because Aaron's gone. Darren Haynes, I think.

Oh, I do know who he is. I do. Yeah. And he's pretty high profile. I mean, for, I think he is. I mean, I didn't even. know who it was. You mentioned his name and I knew who it was, but I'm in sports broadcasting in this town. It's not, look, it's not. Let's just say he's got a profile. Let's not say high profile.

Okay, he has a profile. I'm not, by the way, I'm not casting dispersions. No, you're right. I'm not being critical, but the local sportscaster in general has died off in every market. Yeah. Because there's so many other ways to get sports. Yes. Who's Channel 7 since Aaron left? I think it's Robert Burton. Oh, I know Robert. Yeah. Is he the main sports anchor? I think that's his name. Robert Burton. He's a good guy. I like Robert. I think he's one of them. What about Channel 5? I have no idea. I have no idea. None whatsoever.

They should hire Buck back. That's what Buck should do. Buck go back and be the sports anchor and director of Channel 5. I think Buck is going to call games at James Madison this year, isn't he? Football games, I think I read. He didn't, he didn't tell me that. And I just texted back and forth with him the other day about a golf thing. Maybe I'm jumping the gun or something like that. He want, I know he's got, that's his alma mater. Yes, it is. I know he's got opportunities to do college football and college basketball games this year.

I didn't know that he had made a decision on any of that. I may have been pretty much sure. Okay. Whatever. So anyway, Sherry had an interview with Bruce Allen and it got a lot of publicity. In fact, it became a high profile interview here locally because this is how it went when she asked him about Trent Williams. Well, he's not here. You said the, the only answer there is. You're either here or you're not, and he's elected not to be here. We are in full mode right now,

even before this preseason game, preparing for Philadelphia. Can you confirm that it is a grievance that Trent has either with medical staff or with his contract situation? You know, I'm not going to go into any conversation I have with a player. He's, He told me his thoughts. But we're now in Philadelphia mode, and it's time to get going. When was the last time you talked to Trent? Well, as I said, I'm not going to talk about my different conversations. Where do you see this ending with the Trent situation?

Do you imagine him coming back? Well, I think Trent's going to play football, yes. We had a surprising retirement this week in the NFL, and I don't see Trent retiring. You said you see him playing football. Does that mean with the Washington Redskins or have you guys engaged in any talks at all about trading him? No, it'll be with us. So there it is.

That was Sherry Burris yesterday. Who, by the way, Tommy, I think she did a really good job. He wanted to push her back and move the interview in a different direction. She got all of her questions out about Bruce Allen. She asked all the right questions. She can't squeeze blood from a stone. Right. But she asked the right questions.

I agree. I think she did a great job. That very end of it was Bruce Allen saying, it'll be for the Redskins. Your response to that is what? I was curious because some of the response I've seen on social media took what Bruce Allen said as fact. In other words, like, there are people out there who think, oh, this is over. It's resolved. Bruce says he's coming back.

You know, no big deal now. Case closed. I mean, they took what he basically said as him telling them. well, Trent's coming back. You know, that, that's all, that was, that was, that was kind of the curious response to me. I mean, it's, how can it not be hard for Redskins fans to listen to Bruce Hound? Just to, just to listen to him.

I mean, really, just unbelievable. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, throwing salt in the wounds. You know, he's, he's, he, Redskins fans are better off with him, not saying anything. I mean, Jay Gruden is much more pleasant to listen to. No doubt. That Bruce Allen. No doubt.

Now, you know, I think there are certain situations where you have to hear from the owner of the team president. You know, I think the whole Ruben Foster stuff, it should have been Dan or Bruce speaking to it. But you are right. I mean, just his voice and him, to look at him for most Redskinned fans, you know, hashtag fire Bruce Allen is just, it's annoying. And they just can't believe he's still here. Anyway, with that said, it's a throwaway line.

It doesn't mean that they're close or that Trent Williams is coming back, in my view, anyway. He is, as a guy professionally, super spiteful, and he is super stubborn. These are two things that Bruce Allen is. He does not like to lose in these situations, in these negotiation situations. It's why he goes for every last nickel and penny in every negotiation. It's not about like a big win for the organization. It's a big win for him to get what he wanted, the number that he wanted and the number he told the agent he's not budging off of.

You know, and this is another situation. Now, sometimes it's worked out. And I think sometimes over the years here, it's been a good thing to be more fiscally responsible, which they have been as an organization with him, much more so than they were. Not as much fun. Not as much fun.

Not as much fun, buddy. It's true. but it's also not worked out like the Kirk Cousin situation where he was super stubborn and spiteful and it worked out. And it had nothing to show for it in the end. My prediction is still this on all of this Trent Williams stuff.

I think they will eventually get an offer that is too good to turn away from. And here's the thing Tommy that I don't think he gets and I wish I could have a conversation with him. Because you know me I would tell him what I think. Stop worrying

winning this thing. First of all, it's the wrong, you're playing it out incorrectly. If you get a first rounder, a mid-projected mid-first rounder back from Houston for Trent Williams, you're going to look like the winner in this. You're so, you're so hung up on not giving him a contract extension and that he's going to buckle and he's going to come back when he doesn't get a game check and you're going to stand up there and say, see, told you he'd come back once he felt the sting of not getting a paycheck, where you're missing the bigger picture here, which is it's created an opportunity for you to really look good. Trade him, get a first, get two twos and a fifth. And you know what? Your fan base will actually compliment you on this.

I think so. But he doesn't, they don't see it that way. Do you think that the fact that Trent Williams through his intermediaries and stuff has turned this into something, whether right or wrong, other than a money thing that basically he has indicted the Redskins organization as untrustworthy, do you think that makes Bruce dig his heels in deeper? Yes, I do. I think that's a really good point. I think that this, you know, medical...

It's more of a personal thing? Training thing has the organization, and Bruce and Dan in particular really P-Oed. Well, it should. Yeah. Whether it's true or not, it's an unprecedented bad situation. for the team to find itself in. So whether Trent is making it up or has a valid claim, they should be angry about the way this has unfolded

because it makes, I mean, I'd say it makes them look bad, but that's like throwing another log on the fire. But I would think there is some personal situation involved here. I would want, at this point, I would be patient, but I'd want to get to that endpoint where you have dealt him to Houston for a first rounder, and you're able to hold that press conference to say, you know what, we want people who want to be here. Trent did, first of all, I would start with this.

Before I get into the details and answer questions about the Trent Williams trade, I want to tell you that we do not have one goddamn issue with our medical team. We have the best doctors in the NFL. Dr. Casillero is respected worldwide, and he can list all the doctors. and the relationship with who is it, Anova. He can talk about the relationship with Anova. Then he can go into his training staff and say our training staff won that whatever award it was called last year. The Ed Block Courage Award.

The Ed Block Courage Award. They should start trotting that out like a Super Bowl trophy. Well, they don't actually have one, well, without dust on it. And we won the Ed Block Courage Award for the best training staff in the NFL. We are super confident in our medical team. and we had people outside the organization who were super confident in it. And our training staff just won the award for the best in the NFL. Oh, you want to talk about Trump Williams?

All right, let's go to there now. And then start talking about Trump Williams. We want people in our organization that want to be here. For whatever reason, Trent didn't want to be here. He had a contract with two years left on it, and he didn't want to live up to that deal. And so that's why we have traded him. And we got a first rounder, and hopefully with that first rounder, and hopefully with that first rounder, we're going to get a great player who wants to be here in the future.

Questions? The questions never come, though. Huh? The questions. I mean, he doesn't take questions. He doesn't take questions. No. You want to get to that point where you can say it's not medical, it's not training,

if it isn't, and I don't think that they believe that it is. And you can say it while simultaneously, I mean, they could say that now, and it would have nothing to do with Trent Williams. Right. They could speak generically. Yeah. About their medical staff, the quality of their care. What they could, what's interesting is, you know, they tried to do this with the Rubin Foster thing. They tried to trot out a couple of Alabama players to vouch for Ruben Foster.

You've got to be careful because those players they didn't actually talk to. Right. You know, they haven't, I wonder if they tried to trot out some players to talk about the quality of medical care for the team. I don't know if they have. Again, and I don't even know if that's a situation. At some point, you got to look at the big picture. To me, the big picture would have been in January where I would have been thinking about trading Trent Williams and Ryan Carrigan and stocking up on draft choices for the future. And now you've got this situation, and he's stubborn,

he doesn't want to let Trent win. And yes, to your point, and it's a really good one, there's a lot of emotion more likely than not wrapped up into this one that's over and above the normal emotion of a holdout. and it is that he's accused them of something that they don't believe is true. Yes. So I don't know. I'd take, hopefully they get an offer here.

There's no guarantee they're going to get an offer because a team loses a left tackle. I believe they've gotten overtures from teams. JP reported three AFC teams. I believe that the Patriots were at one point willing to offer a first. I don't think they are anymore. And by the way, they traded for two backup offensive linemen yesterday, in part because Isaiah Wynn, who maybe they were a bit concerned about a few weeks ago, early in training camp, they're not as concerned about anymore.

So there you go. My prediction is still ultimately that Bruce will relent and they'll trade them because they're going to get an offer that's too hard to turn down. And the only thing I would suggest to them is don't think you're losing if you end up trading them for a first or a package of two twos and a five or whatever. because to me as a fan, I would look at that as a win. Here's the collateral damage when you trade him. And I think you have to trade him. I don't think he can ever play for this organization again. But that means you're moving forward into this season

without Trent Williams playing for you at left tackle. Right now, you're with 36-year-old Donald Penn, who if he lasts four games, we'll be lucky. A lot of teams don't have Trump Williams at left tackle. I get that. My point is, because of this situation, the collateral damage may be whoever is behind center. I predict that the quarterback who finishes the season for the Redskins is not even on the roster for this team. You said that.

I disagree. I mean, it's possible if they could have all those injuries. Is that why you're predicting it or you predicting it because you think everybody's going to suck? No, I'm predicting it because I don't think they'll be able to protect everybody behind center. I think it'll be sort of like the end of last year, where everybody's, Everyone who took a snap wound up getting postseason surgery. Right. All right.

There was a story that came out last night from Aaron Wilson, who covers the Texans for the Houston Chronicle. Aaron wrote that the Texans have been working the phones on trying to trade Judavian Clowny. And he said that there were several teams that have expressed interest. One of those teams is the Redskins. The other teams are the Seahawks, the Dolphins, the Eagles, the Jets.

He also wrote that Washington is regarded as a no-go at this time because they are unwilling to trade pro bowl left tackle Trent Williams. I would prefer to trade Trent Williams for picks, future picks, but I can tell you this, if he traded Trent Williams for Jadavian Clowny, that too would be a win for the Redskins. It would be a big win. Jadavian Clowny is five years younger. He is better than anybody they have defensively.

I think he's better than Montez Sweat. I have hope for Montes Sweat. I think Geron Payne's turning into a guy to really keep an eye on the next few years as a guy that could truly be one of their best defensive linemen in a long, long time. But if you can get Clowny for Trent Williams, you absolutely do it. You absolutely do it. Look, your team is going to be better with Clowny on it. I mean, don't worry about, well, what are they going to do with Montez Sweat?

That's not your issue. Put them all on the field. Right. That's not your problem. The Giants didn't worry about that when they kept drafting defensive linemen one after the other. You find the way to get talent on the field. Now, you know, you do have to ask yourself the question, why does Houston want to trade Jadavia and Clowney instead of just paying him? And you have to ask the question if you're thinking about being the team that trades for him, what am I going to have to pay him? He is, you know, for the discussion and many people have tweeted me in recent weeks, you know, Clownie's injury prone.

He was early in his career. Not recently. he's only missed three games in three years. And for those of you who also want to say, you know, he only had nine and a half sacks last year and nine the year before that, watch him play. He is a disruptor. He's an A-level defensive disruptor. And he's been on the opposite side of J.J. Watt.

J.J. Watt had 17 sacks last year. 17. Clownie's helping him. Watts helping him. Clownie is a game changer. defensively in my view. I would prefer draft choices for Trent Williams thinking, you know, further down the road, but I would take that trade. I do not think it'll happen. Well, because you're operating under the assumption that unlike Bruce Allen, you're convinced that Trent won't play for this team,

won't play for the race. I don't think you will. Okay. So if that's the case, then you try to get the best deal you can. And if you can't get the number one draft pick that you want and you have a chance to get Clowny, you trade for him. I'd be surprised if Houston would trade Clowny straight up for Trent Williams. I would think that they'd want more than just Trent Williams. Trent's 31, Clownie's 25. Trent doesn't play every game. Clownie has in recent years played almost every game. What if they think they have a chance to compete for the Super Bowl this year? Well, that's, look, they have a major issue at offensive line in trying to protect a Sean Watson. A lot of quarterbacks are unprotected, but they play and they figure it out and they chip and they, you know, game plan around

that. But yes, they need a left tackle. They need tackles. They need offensive linemen, the Texans do. So tonight, Tommy. Tonight, they're playing a preseason game, right? Yeah. Against the Baltimore Ravens. Are you going to that? You know, normally I would, Kevin, because I think

it's important to show up for these kind of things. I know you do. You know? I mean, again, I know we have a different, and you're not alone. Nobody in this town does this save for a handful of people. I think if you're going to rip the team, If you're going to criticize the team, you've got to show your face sometimes. So, yeah, but normally I'm not going to be there because I'm teaching my first class at Georgetown tonight.

That's right. I forgot about that. Yes. Good luck with that. Business of sports media. So is that the class this year? That's always been the class. I was going to say, you said it like it was something new.

No, it's business of sports media. So who is your, what do you got planned for tonight? Because you don't do much of the planning. The actual professor does, right? Well, you look it. It's sort of like every show we've ever done, Kevin. Okay. Yeah, you are.

much more a rider than a driver. Yes, absolutely. And that's pretty much the case here. I'm there because I'm Tom Levera. That's why. And how many of the students that will take this class for the first time when they walk in know who you are? Well,

since six of them are Chinese tonight, I'm not sure how many will know. How many are in the class? I think about 14, 15. Okay. But, you know, maybe if they were Japanese, they might know me because I'm big in Japan. but China, not so much.

You know who was in our class last year? Is this the one day a week, two and a half hour class thing? Trey Morning was in the class last year, Alonso Morning's son. Awesome. Tremendous student. Tremendous student. That guy is not going to play in the NBA. He's going to wind up owner of the team in the NBA.

He's very sharp. How involved are you in the class during the class? Very involved. Okay. Absolutely very involved. But sort of like you are in this talk. show, you just respond. Yes.

Yeah. And, no, no, that's not true. And wing it a little bit. No, no, when they have writing assignments, I'm responsible for the writing assignments. Do you grade? I grade the writing assignments. I give them critiques on their writing. So when they have to do writing assignments, when they talk about doing podcasts, they

have to do a podcast as part of the assignment. They get, they get, you know, maxed up with different teams and they have to produce a podcast. I help them with that. So it's not like I just sit there with my feet up on the desk and say, yeah, that's right. that's right do you ever um do you ever find yourself uh when you're you're grading these papers finding like a talent like it's true talented writer that you want to mentor have you found that person yet mentor yeah do i look like the kind of guy who would mentor anybody no but i'm curious if anybody's been so talented in their writing that you said wow you have a future as a writer you could write

i may have said that once or twice did you mean it yeah i did because if you can write and most people can't. Even at that level, it stands out. I agree with that. It really does. And again, everybody, if you could write, you can do anything in this business. Well, I've always said when I've had the opportunity to talk to people in a class or people that reach out to me to get advice or whatever kind of advice they're looking for,

one of the things I've always said about this business, sports talk business, is you've got to be able to write. Yes. Because your first job, if you want to be on air, is going to be writing on deadline for things like updates. Yeah. And if you can't write, it's going to be hard for you to actually get on the air to start it in radio, sports talk radio. Any of your students ever complain about the Washington Times website and how difficult it is to read some of your stories? No, they think it's really good. They do?

They do. They like it. They like the speed? Yes. Or the lack thereof? No, they like it. They like how easy it is to read. All right. Tonight in this preseason finale, it's very possible that this will be the last time we see Dwayne Haskins for a while.

Maybe. Maybe. This has, I think we've talked about this, but I'm going to talk about it again because this has been the thing that's bothered me and agitated me more than anything else in this offseason going back to the draft. and that is this, I think, majority opinion of fans, media, ex-players, be patient with Dwayne. And count me in on that. I'm with them. Be patient. Be patient with Dwayne.

I'd sit him for the whole year. I wouldn't play him until 2020. If you're a fan of this team and you weren't hopeful that he would show up at OTAs in minicamp and then training camp and blow the doors off Case Keenham and Colt McCoy, and make it so obvious that he was the best quarterback. If that wasn't your desire, what's wrong with you? Like, that, of course, should have been the preference going into it. But right from draft night, it's like, can't play them, got to sit him. I'd sit him for the whole 2020.

What are you people talking about? Quarterbacks highly drafted play and play a lot in their rookie year. And when they don't, it usually means they're not any good. So my initial take right from the jump was not patience, and I couldn't believe everybody was talking about this. It was, I hope we get to minicamp and OTAs, and we're hearing from Jay, this guy's incredible. Like, you know, it's not just this physical stature in his arm, but this guy's picked up the offense overnight. He's really grasped it, and we are, you know, and then to see him, you know, play in the preseason games with starters against starters and really perform well, that's what I was hoping for.

I don't understand why others weren't hoping for that. But anyway, that aside, I mean, I was hoping to see as little of Case Keenham and Colt McCoy this year as possible, because that would have meant that this dude was really ready. And by the way, you know, Sam Darnold last year beat out a veteran quarterback, Josh McCown. I had a guy on from New York yesterday. You know what he said about Daniel Jones? What? That if there had been just a veteran journeyman quarterback like a Case Keenham,

Daniel Jones would have won the competition and would be starting the opener. But it's Eli Manning. He's an iconic legend, two-time Super Bowl winning quarterback, and he's going to get the opportunity here. But that's how well Daniel Jones has played and how far long he is. What we're seeing here is maybe the first indication of what Cooley said when he evaluated him for the draft. This is a long-term project.

This is not a guarantee. And it's why Cooley said specifically he wouldn't have taken him with a first-rounder. I would have thought about him in the second or third round. A lot of the football people at Redskins Park thought the same thing. Anyway, I digress because what I want to get to is when do you think we'll see him? And when would you like to see him next after tonight? You know, again, I mean, you dismissed this. But I think Redskins are going to go through quarterbacks like Warder this year.

I really do. They might. And I think you'll see Dwayne Haskins play before they want him to because they'll need him to because Case Keenham will get hurt and Colt McCoy won't be ready to take the field. So I think you'll see Dwayne Haskins maybe by week six at the latest because of injury. Starting. Yes. Okay.

Yes. You know, Case has been pretty healthy. Yes, he has. Pretty durable. Yes, he has. He started 30 games in the last two years. And the only games that he missed were because Sam Bradford started off that season, 2017 season in Minnesota.

It was Sam Bradford, right, Aaron? Bradford started that 2017 season. Sounds right. Yeah, I think that's right. I just foresee chaos on the offensive line. Denver had a bad offensive line last year. Can you played all 16 games? I know.

Okay. I want to see him week one because I want him to make the progress to say, hey, we're ready to play him. I think we will see him before the end of the month, the first month of the season. Really? We will see him before the end of September, injury or no injury? And that means that the possibility exists, I believe, that we'll see him for a series here and there.

Maybe in the opener against Philadelphia. Yeah. Oh, you must know something. I don't know anything. I swear to God. No, no, no. I can smell this a mile away. You're looking at me like I do.

I swear to God I don't. And I mentioned this on the radio the other day. And then I talked to Cooley later that day. And I said, we were talking about Haskins. And I said, I said on the radio today that I think he's, he's going to play in week one against the Eagles, like they're going to work out a package for him. He goes, oh, you've been listening to my podcast. I go, actually, I haven't been.

Have you been saying that? He said, I've been saying that for two weeks. And I said, well, do you know that? And by the way, if he did know that and he told me that, then I wouldn't have brought it up ever again. But he said, no, I don't know anything. He just makes sense to me that they should. He goes, I don't know that they will. And he goes, I bet that they don't.

But they should be thinking about getting them in in these games. for a series there, here, series there. Because he's the quarterback of the future. Isn't the point to win the game? Not this year. Oh. Oh. I'm kidding.

The point is that you should want to win the game and also simultaneously develop the quarterback of the future. And maybe putting him into the game gives you a chance, a better chance to win the game. Have you thought about that as a possible? I don't know anything. I swear to you. I swear on my children.

I don't know anything. It's just a hunch that I have that they're going to try to get them in. I don't know if it'll be the opener. That was my guess. This does not sound like Jay Gruden, though. It doesn't sound like Jay Gruden. It sounds like Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder. Well, they've talked about that this was going to be an organizational consensus decision.

Remember Doug Williams said that about two months ago. So I don't know that for sure. I swear to you, I don't know anything. That's a white flag for that game against the Eagles if he plays. No, it isn't. Yes, it is. No, it isn't. White flag.

No. I mean, it should. it's a white flag. Anyway, but that is a white flag. I like them against the Eagles. I've already played them plus nine. Look, anything's possible. Would I be like utterly shocked if somehow they managed to compete against Philadelphia? It's the NFL. Anything is possible. I'd be surprised. Look, there's also the chance that tonight, you know, especially if all the former players get their way, tonight's the last time we're going to see Dwayne Haskins until next year's preseason. I mean, that makes me crazy.

Like, they'll also say, well, look, if you're four and eight, you're going to play him at the end of the year. I understand that. But it's almost like they're hoping, and they think somehow it's so much better if he doesn't play one regular season snap this year. And then what? So then next year is just the same sort of guinea pig year. Okay, we've talked about this before. I mean, when Thaisman says that, when Clinton Portis says that. Sean Springs says it.

Fred Smoot says it. So that's a message. I know. That's a unified message. Who are they delivering the message for? Oh, I don't think they're delivering it for the owner or the team president or anybody. Or the coach to the owner? No, I don't think so.

All of them? All these bozos on the same page? I hate when you do this, because this is a reach. No, it's not. Well, first of all, Jay doesn't have. great relationships with those players that just, that were just mentioned. I get that. So that doesn't make a lot of sense.

So is, so is it, so is it? Dan does. So is it the owner? Basically, why would the owner be telling them to the fan base saying, this is why he's not going to play because we're, we're so smart and we're so patient? Yes. I don't know. Maybe that's more of a possibility than Jay putting it out there for the opposite.

I think there's a unified message here. I think it's being delivered for somebody from the owner to the fans or from the coach to the owner. You know who hasn't been delivering it? Cooley hasn't been delivering it. Cooley feels the way I feel. He's like, get him out there. He was the number 15 pick in the draft. He better be ready sooner than later.

And you're not going anywhere with Case Keenham or Colt McCoy. And your future is, even if Case Keenum leads him to 8 and 8 or 9 and 7, he's not back here next year. You're building for 2020, 2020, 2021. But then you can put- Haskins in with a year under his belt to start the next year. Sort of like Patrick Mahomes. It would be great if you were Patrick Mahomes,

but the Chiefs missed out on an opportunity, as it turns out, to win a Super Bowl with Patrick Mahomes in 2017. And they were close. I mean, if Alex Smith doesn't go 5 and 0 to start that year, I think Andy Reid probably does at some point play Mahomes in that first season. But he's the aberration. He's the only one in recent years that hasn't played a significant number of games, especially if the quarterback's highly drafted,

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Aaron and I love college football, and we get real games tonight and tomorrow night. I love Labor Day weekend. I don't know what it is about Labor Day weekend. I used to love tennis. I hate tennis now. I shouldn't say I hate tennis. I don't watch tennis unless Serena's on. I like watching Serena.

But I love that first weekend of real football. And there aren't great games this weekend. A couple of them, right, Aaron. Oregon, Auburn on Saturday night. You know, there's a, I think that's the only matchup of ranked teams. Yes. In week one. Tonight, the number one team in the country, Clemson opens up their schedule.

Clemson is the defending national champion. Mark Shlabaugh said to me today, he goes, this is the best team in America by a lot. Like, he thinks it's better than Alabama. And maybe the best team that Davos Sweeney's had. I just, it's, I mean, tonight is not. a night for preseason football. The weekend is in. Yeah, but you're going to get to see Haskins.

He's going to play a lot tonight. I will barely watch. Really? Yeah. That doesn't make sense. You're going to see Haskins play tonight. I don't care. He's going to play a lot.

There will be live college football games on. Not watching Dwayne Haskins. Why not? I'll watch Haskins. Come on. I have to because I got to come in here and talk about it. I don't want to. The guy who you think should start.

Aaron, who do you like tonight? It's going to get most of his playing time tonight. Perhaps. Who do you like tonight? In college football, as far as betting. I like UCLA against Cincinnati. That line's very short. It's dropped at two and a half.

It's interesting. You have Clemson and Texas A&M. What is that? 36 now. What's that? Clemson's 36 line, Clemson's 36. Texas A&M's also playing, and they're 33. The interesting thing, they're playing next week.

I could see both offenses going very vanilla. I think Clemson has enough to cover it. I don't know about Texas A&M. Good strategy there. Do you see what he did there? No. Big week two. Is it week two?

Is A&M and Clemson play next week or in two weeks? I'm pretty sure it's next week. It might be two weeks, but either way, I think they're going vanilla early on. So what he's saying there is, hold on, Clemson has, I thought it's two weeks away, Texas, A&A. It might be two weeks away. I don't know if it is or isn't. But he's saying basically they're not going to show each other anything in this week one matchup. The problem is that the...

It is next week, Clemson. It is next week? Yes. So next week we've got Texas Ellis. and Clemson, Texas A&M. So week two is a hell of a lot better than week one. Yeah, it is. I look through the board.

I will have the first smell test tomorrow on the show. There are about six or seven college games I like. All of them are Friday and Saturday. I looked at UCLA a little bit tonight, sort of like them. My wife just sent me a text that I was reading as I'm sitting here doing this. We found your wallet on the grass right next to the driveway. Good thing the lawn people didn't come today. Oh, my God.

I don't have my wallet on me. I didn't even know I didn't have my wallet on me. Because I probably thought I left it in the car. All right. Anyway, nothing I love tonight. I like UCLA a little bit. I'm with you on UCLA a little bit. What else do you have?

Are you going to any big college football games this year? Like a non-Maryland game. I'm going to Penn State, Michigan, because I'll be up there. You know, my son's up there. And my other son and I, and we've done some big college games in recent years, we've been looking at the schedule, looking at the Redskins by week also. The Thursday night game, they've got against the Vikings.

Yeah. Opens up an opportunity that weekend. And that weekend, I think, is LSU Auburn at LSU. You've been thinking. You've been the LSU games before, right? The LSU Bama games, phenomenal. Yeah. The one place I have not been that I want to go to, I want to go see Notre Dame.

nameplay in South Bend. I've not done that. There will be at least one other game I'll probably go to other than Penn State, Michigan, which should be a really good one. Yes. By the time they get to it. Yeah. Anything else you got? What about the Nats? I mean, they won last night. They bounced back. Aaron, I bet the Orioles last night on the Happiness Edge. I bet them plus 340 because every single person I listened to you said, well, of course the Nats are going to win tonight. They're not going to lose two in a row to the Orioles. And you know what I usually think about that. is I'll go the other way. It didn't work out for me last night.

But, you know, Scherzer four and a third last night, 89 pitches. Look, they're trying to make sure he's okay to pitch in October. He pitched 89 pitches, though, last night. I know, I know. It's not like they really rested. 71 the game before, 89 last night. It was the smart thing to take him out when they did.

Look, I talked to Adam Eaton the other day looking for that moment where things change for the team, was there a particular incident or game or moment where everything turned around. And he gave me a very valuable piece of advice that Paul Karnerko once told him, you can only suck for so long. In baseball.

Yes. And that's basically the attitude they had. They would come in after some of those losses in the locker room and basically they would basically say, we're not this bad. We won't be this bad. And he gave a lot of credit to guys like Zimmerman and Scher and Kurt Suzuki

for keeping them on the even keel for saying, hey, this isn't us. We're better than this. We will be better than this. So there wasn't any particular moment. I mean, I think it was when Annabel Sanchez came off the DL and started winning for them. Well, that's because you predicted that he would be, you know,

it's very important this year to the team. I would not put Annabelle Sanchez's, you know, return and starting to pitch well as like the key moment or the key moment in the turnaround. Well, because you don't know what you're talking about. Well, it's a reach and it's a self-serving reach. Aaron, but go ahead. Aaron, am I wrong that their resurgence coincides with Annabelle Sanchez's, his first start back from the D.L.

when he pitched six shutout innings? The timing is there, yes. Okay. Oh, it's so sweet that you, Aaron. Okay. But it is. It's exactly, you can point it to it. Right, I know.

Well, is that a column? It might be. Would you, would the beginning part of the column talk about how before the season started, you had a hunch about Annabelle Sanchez? No, my name's not Kevin Shee. I'm not going to pat myself on the back. Oh, yeah. And then you'll try to get a quote where somebody says,

you know what really the turnaround point was Annabelle Sanchez and very few people out there actually thought about Annabelle before the season started. No, no, I'm not going to do that. But I am going to talk about how that veteran clubhouse leadership got them through the tough time and how Zimmerman, I'm hoping that Zimmerman returns because he deserves to be part of anything good that happens. He really does. He was a big voice in the clubhouse when they were struggling.

Are you on with Russell this weekend? I'm on with Nick on Saturday and then Russell on Sunday, providing he doesn't get pulled over for talking on a cell phone. You told me about that and I went and found that on the internet. That was pretty funny. Yeah. Boy, old Chris. I love Chris.

He gets himself in these positions more than anybody. Yes, he does. He is, he's basically the Tasmanian devil. Yeah. That's what he is. He's something else. All right, that's all I got. You know what I forgot to do today?

What? I forgot to call Scott, because Scott has been traveling, which is why he hasn't been on the podcast. But I think he said that he could do today, but he needed to do it before now. So we'll catch him next week. Okay. Or maybe tomorrow on the podcast.

Actually, Aaron, write that one down. I won't catch him tomorrow. It'll even be better since Tommy won't be here. It'll be perfect. Yeah. So we'll get Scott on tomorrow. All right, I've got to go get my wallet and make sure that nothing was taken out of the wallet

because I think I had credit cards in it and some cash in there. Had some cash in the wallet. I'm sure you do. Look, I've seen your bankroll. I know you have some cash. I don't carry a lot of cash, actually, typically. You don't need cash anymore. I mean, look, if you're a made guy, you carry cash in a big wad

with the big bills on the outside. All right, thank you for doing this today. You looked much better today than you even did the other day. It looks like you feel better. better, which is great. You'll be with me next week and we'll be into the full calendar, C-A-L-E-N-D-A-R of a true NFL game week. Yes, Redskins game week. There'll be pep rallies all over town. Let me have, will they be... Hold on. I know what you're going to ask. I can read it right now. Will Coolly be out handing out tickets on the mall? Will Coley be running

around giving away free tickets? I don't think so. I don't think, I think that he made himself very clear last year that that was not something that he wanted to do again. There weren't a lot of takers, apparently. No, there weren't. All right. Have a great day. All right, I'll see you.