The Kevin Sheehan Show - WFT: 2 Firsts For Derrick Carr?

Episode Date: February 3, 2021

Kevin led with Maryland's win over Purdue and the Wizards ugly no-defense loss to Portland. Then it was JP Finlay/NBCSports Washington on the show talking about a report out of Las Vegas that the Raiders could deal Derrick Carr to Washington for two first-round picks as part of a 3-way deal involving Deshaun Watson to the Raiders. Tim Murray/VSIN Network came on with Kevin to talk Super Bowl wagering but the two old friends ended up analyzing this year's college basketball season too.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. A couple of guests today. One for sure will be Tim Murray, who will join us from Las Vegas,

the Circa in Las Vegas, where he is now hosting one of Brent Musburger Veson Network shows. We're going to talk to Tim about all the betting going on with the Super Bowl, some of the prop bets, et cetera. And maybe, maybe a surprise guest here shortly based on something that I just read. We'll see. I'm going to start this show with just a quick recap for you Maryland basketball fans of Maryland's win over Purdue

last night. I had Mark Turgeon on the radio show this morning so you can go to the radio.com app, download that Team 980 and listen to that interview. Or you can go to the Team 980.com if you're a Maryland basketball fan, and you want to hear what Coach Turgeon said about their win last night over Purdue. I just, I said this on the podcast last week before the Wisconsin game, and even after the Wisconsin game, I think when they lost. I think he is a good coach, and I think he's getting better as a coach. I think he's also doing one of the best jobs he has ever done. Maryland is undersized in a super large league, But not only is it a large league, the Big Ten is, in my view, the best league Maryland's ever been in. The 2020-2020-21 Big Ten, top-to-bottom, I think, is the greatest conference in the history of college basketball.

I don't know that there's ever been a league this good top-to-bottom. Now, the bottom team, Nebraska, has been in major COVID-19 restrictions and quarantining. They've only played five games. Maryland played their 11th Big Ten game last night. Turgeon told me that Hoyberg, the coach, who got sick and was not well. Now, he's had two heart surgeries previous to getting COVID. But there's a discussion that Nebraska is going to go ahead and play the rest of their schedule. And there may be a lot of back-to-back games, you know, where Nebraska might come to college park

and they had Maryland on the schedule twice, and they'll play in back-to-back days against Nebraska. to get the two games out of the way. Maryland has played, I think, the second toughest schedule so far in the Big Ten. They haven't had the Nebraska or even Northwestern. Northwestern is not terrible. At one point, they were ranked this year. Michigan State is right now in the Big Ten, Michigan State is 13th out of 14 teams. That tells you how good the league is.

The all-time winningest program in the league, Michigan State, that's not true. Indiana has to be the all-time winningest program. The second winningest program, and Maryland might be third or Ohio State. Got a lot of good programs in the Big Ten. Michigan State's 13th out of 14 teams, and they had Iowa last night in trouble a little bit in that game. So it wouldn't surprise me if ZO gets them to turn around. But the bottom line is the league is brutal, and it's big. Like every team has big guys.

In Maryland, they've got talent, but they don't have big talent. Look, they graduated one of the best big men in America last year. He was the ninth pick in the draft in Jalen Stick Smith. They had a four-year senior point guard in Anthony Cowan. He graduated, you know, most teams that lose that kind of talent that aren't named, Duke and Kentucky and Kansas and North Carolina and a couple of others, you know, there is the occasional step-back year. Now, for Maryland, if you look at their history, they never have a major step-back year.

They may miss the tournament, you know, but they, I don't think Maryland's been sub-500, the probation years when Gary first arrived. And it may have only been one season that they were sub-500. But anyway, Turgeon's doing a phenomenal job. Doesn't have any size, was going against a team that had two seven-footers and has one of the best big men in the country in Trevion Williams. And it was not pretty. They were one for 11 from behind the arc in the first half,

but their defense, which has pretty much been their calling card over the last two months, months held Purdue to 27 first half points. Maryland had 10 steals in the game. And then Maryland got hot in the second half. Went eight for 14 from behind the arc. Aaron Wiggins got hot. He is very streaky. Iyales started hitting shots. They were down seven, came back, and won the game by a point on Eric Iyallis, two free throws with 3.3 seconds left. Great job by Turg on setting up the matchup for Iyalla. He got him into a ball screen with Trevionne Williams. They switched, and he had the matchup he want. Niala took advantage of it. I actually thought he got in a little bit too deep. I thought he might get his shot blocked, but he was able to shoot, miss, get one of only

three offensive rebounds on the night, put it back up. He got fouled and he made the two free throws. Maryland now owns four, four wins over ranked teams. But more importantly, in the net rankings, which are used, the Division I men's basketball, what they call the net rankings, where they have divided all of the D1 schools into four quads, quad one, quad two, quad three, quad four. All right, so the more quad one wins you have and the much fewer, many fewer quad four and quad three losses you have is much better. Maryland, right now after last night's win, moved up to 39th in the net rankings, meaning right now, they're a cinch according to the net rankings to be in the tournament. Most of you would find that surprising.

They're only 10 and 8 overall, maybe 11 and 8 overall, something like that. They're 4 and 7 in the Big 10. They are a lock as of today to make the NCAA tournament. Now, they're going to have to win more games. They're probably going to have to get, if they play 20, if they actually play the 20 that are scheduled in the Big 10, they're going to have to go 8 and 12. 8 and 12 with their wins should get them in,

which means four more wins. Five would absolutely be a lock, even if they finished under 500. Sub 500 in the Big Ten is going to get you in if you have a resume like Maryland has. Maryland against Quad One teams has four wins. They've got four wins against Quad One teams. No team in America other than Baylor has more than five. So Maryland's like in the top ten in the nation in Quad one wins and they don't have one bad loss. Not one, in part because they are playing such good teams night in and night out.

Maryland, in their last nine big 10 games, eight of the games, eight of them have been against ranked opponents. The only one that wasn't is their game at Indiana, and Indiana's had a good season. They're a good team. They lost a close game last night to Illinois in overtime, 75-71. But Illinois, Indiana, I think, was almost close to being ranked at one point this year, maybe not actually ranked. But that's an unbelievable stretch in their heyday in the ACC.

They never played eight out of nine against ranked opponents. And that's the Big Ten. Now they have Penn State on Friday night before they get seventh ranked Ohio State. Penn State's actually pretty good. They beat Wisconsin the other night and then lost Wisconsin in back-to-back games. but they've had some decent wins, including a win over Rutgers who's been ranked at various points this season. I love what he's doing. They're playing super hard.

That sounds cliche, but when you are Maryland and you're coming off a Big Ten championship year and you've got a losing record to continue to have your team interested is something he's been able to do. They're very good defensively, especially on the perimeter. They're very long-armed. They've got good wingspan guys. Morsell's obviously a major lockdown guy. Wiggins has turned in to an exceptional defender. Hakeem Hart's got great length.

Dante Scott is a physical guy. You know, Eric Iala, who's their leading score and their point guard, is probably their worst defender, but he's played better. They are very thin in terms of their bench. They play essentially two guys off the bench, and that's it. They go seven deep, although Chul Mariel and Reese Mona got into the game. last night briefly. But I just love the job that Marilyn's doing.

And if you're a fan of the team, you can be a turgeon basher if you want and still respect the job that he's doing this year because he's doing a hell of a job. Now, why don't they have as much talent as the rest of the league in terms of size? That's on him. I agree with you. You know, you got to anticipate when you drafted Jalen Stick Smith, who is a very highly, you sought after recruit, and an NBA potential guy from the time he was a senior in high school, junior in high school, you got to prepare for that. I understand that. I do. And they didn't

have preparation in terms of a fill-in for Jalen this year. The point guard thing, he tried like hell. And if they had gotten Carlyke Jones, the guy that went to Louisville, who's been killing at Louisville, and it was down to Louisville in Maryland, the transfer from Radford, he's having a hell of a year. Carleek Jones is for Louisville. If they had gotten him, they'd be a completely different team. They'd be a ranked team right now, even though he's a smaller guy, even as a small team. But he's doing a hell of a job. And if Maryland makes it to the tournament this year, if there is one, that would be one of those where you would point to and you would say he got a lot more out of less. Anyway, I'm enjoying watching this team. They play really hard. They can be

frustrating at times when they go cold offensively. They're very streaky. Wiggins is a very streaky shooter, but he got it going in the second half and that was huge. Purdue, by the way, is one of my favorite teams because I think Matt Painter is one of the best college coaches in America. Also, real quickly, on the Wizards from last night, I mean, enough of them already. I mean, they just can't guard anybody. It's in embarrassment defensively. You know, they won that game against Brooklyn the other day, sort of in lucky fashion. They gave up a layup at the buzzer and the guy missed it. And I know that Beale hit a big three in Westbrook off the ridiculous turnover there at the end, hit a three. But, you know, they give up 75 and a half like it's nothing. It was 75 to 63 at

half time last night. I mean, they're just the easiest team to play against. They just don't guard. I'm actually really starting to question why Scott Brooks has Davis Bertans even on the floor. when he can't knock down shots. The only reason to have Bertons out there is that, you know, he's going to go five for, you know, 12 from behind the arc or five for 11 from behind the arc. I mean, you know, you need him to be, to hit bombs and he's not shooting it well at all this year. And he can't guard anybody. I remember Scott Brooks saying last year, I really like the way Davos gets after it defensively.

And I'm like, hmm, okay. Davos Bertans is really struggling. he's 31.6% from behind the arc. That is a career low by far. 33 and a third percent overall field goal percentage. That's 10 percentage points less than his lowest. They signed him to a big deal, and they're getting nothing out of him. And when he's not making shots, you got to, you know, like with any shooter,

you just hope the next one's going in, which I'm sure Scott Brooks is thinking, yeah, he just missed five in a row, and he can't guard anybody, but he's also more than any player on the team, the guy that might actually hit his next five? I get that thinking, especially if you're not going to defend as a team anyway and you're going to have to outscore people. And I guess that would be the mindset there. But they are horrific defensively. Dead last in points allowed in the league. Averaging, I think it's like 122.5 points per game. Dead last in field goal percentage defense. I think they're allowing 49 percent made shots. In terms of three-point defense, they are, I think, next to last and three-point field goal percentage defense.

Just a horrific defensive team are the Wizards. And I think the worst part about it is, like when you watch, I don't think that they really care that much. They also have guys that technically just aren't good defenders. It's amazing to watch some of the guys defend standing up. You know, I used to say this about Antoine Jameson, because I love Jameson as a score, but he played defense standing up and crossing his feet when he would move. Like anybody that's played basketball understands a good defensive stance is a low stance, playing defense low, and you're sliding your feet.

You're not running and you're not crossing your feet. And they have defenders that don't know how fundamentally to defend. and they're clearly not being coached from that standpoint. I'm a big Scott Brooks personal fan. He's such a good dude, and I know why players like him. And there is a certain NBA style of coach where this works, where the players have a lot of freedom. But defensively, they're just an embarrassment.

An embarrassment. There are two players, I'm going to give them to you, that try hard on defense. Well, Westbrook always tries hard. I love how hard-ish-Smith tries on defense. And I actually really love how hard Mo Wagner tries on defense. Anyway, they lost again. All right. When we come back, we're going to get into a couple of quarterback questions related to the Washington football team.

And there may be a special guest based on a report that I just read. So we're going to try to get J.P. Finley on the show as well. We will do all of that right after this word from one of our sponsors. All right. We're going to be joined here shortly by J.P. Finley. J.P. Finley is going to join us on the show. He's got a story out about a three-way trade involving the Raiders, the Texans, and your Washington football team. Derek Carr's involved and Deshawn Watson's involved.

So that's coming up here literally in five minutes. So I wanted to real quickly just talk about something we started to talk about yesterday with Tommy. And that is this ESPN.com redraft of the 2020 draft. And we talked about how John Kime made the pick for Washington. It was all of the ESPN beat reporters. Cincinnati took Joe Burrow again. And then John Kime took Justin Herbert. And I would agree with that.

And I put out a poll, a Twitter poll, which, by the way, people have asked me, Hey, man, you're doing a lot of Twitter polls these days. I am. It's because they're sponsored on radio, so they've asked me to do a lot of them. And so I put one out yesterday, I guess. I think yesterday after the show. I forget when I put it out.

Anyway, Chase Young or Justin Herbert in a redraft, who would you take? 60% said Chase Young, 40% said Justin Herbert. There is a lot of emotional attachment to, Chase Young after one year. And I understand it. He is the most exciting defensive player, the most exciting player that the franchise has had since Sean Taylor. And he's the most impactful potentially player, you know, potential a player on the team in a long, long time because of the position he plays. But he doesn't play quarterback. You know, he plays the same position that

Khalil Mack plays. And Khalil Mack is a dominant player and has been for a while now. And Khalil Mack has been to the playoffs just three times and hasn't won a playoff game on any of the teams he's been involved in or with. The Chicago team that he's played on here the last couple of years is pretty much stunk. They made it to the playoffs this year with what, an eight and eight record, I think. They made it a couple of years ago and lost in the first round of the Eagles. The quarterback position is the position. I don't think, by the way, Justin Herbert can rise to the level of ranking at his position that Chase Young can. I think Chase Young can be the best defensive player in the game. I don't think Justin Herbert can be the best quarterback in the game, but I think Justin Herbert

can be a top five quarterback in the game. I think that that is definitely in play. No worse than a top 10 guy. I didn't feel that way. I was totally wrong about him coming out of Oregon. I didn't like him very much. I didn't think he was going to be a good pro. But if you told me that I can have Justin Herbert instead of Chase Young, well, the thing that I would love to do is trade back to six and assume that I know everything about how they played as rookies, but nobody else did. Trade back to six with the Chargers. Let the Chargers take Tua. Let Detroit take Chase Young. The Giants don't get them, and I'll take Herbert at six and pick up, you know, an extra pick later on in the first rounder, you know, and get Justin Jefferson. You know, I'll pick up a couple of picks, and then I'll

trade back into the first round and take Justin Jefferson. So I've Justin Herbert and Justin Jefferson. That would be, by the way, the two top offensive rookie of the year candidates, and I'm giving up, I'm giving up the absolute lock for defensive rookie. of the year in Chase Young. I love Chase Young. He's my favorite player on the game, on the team. Most of you totally understand that I wanted them to lose their games at the end of the 2019 season so that they would not miss out on Chase Young. When everybody was knocking him for the game that he had against Clemson in that semi-final game, I really thought that people weren't paying attention to how he impacted that game. He was doubled. He was tripled,

etc. Something that did not happen in the playoff game against Tampa. I was disappointed with the playoff game against Tampa. I didn't think he played very good at all. But yeah, I think that I would take Herbert. There were several tweets to the poll that I put out that I thought were really smart. One of them was from a guy that tweets all the time, and I appreciate it. EAP. on Twitter. And he said, you know, basically he had two tweets that were really good. Number one, he said, Chase Young, laugh out loud. What league are people watching? A stud quarterback for the next 15 years means you can contend all 15 years. It allows you to rebuild on the fly. Now, you know, let's just say it's 10 years, but he's right. When you have the stud quarterback, you can rebuild constantly around

and be a playoff team. When you have the stud defensive pass. rusher, but you don't have the quarterback. You're not rebuilding. You're staying strong in all those areas, and you're searching for that answer or quarterback, and if you don't find it, you're going to make the playoffs every once in a while, like Khalil Mack has made it a couple of times. You know, Von Miller a couple of times. Now, Von Miller did win a Super Bowl, okay?

But I'm talking about the real dominant defensive players of, say, the last six, seven, eight years. And if he enters into that conversation, Chase Young, And he's not there yet, not off his rookie year. It was excellent. But he's not at that Miles Garrett, Chase, Kahliel Mack, Von Miller level yet. I think he will be very soon. But, you know, the best defensive player in the NFL this year was Aaron Donald.

Now, he was hurt in that Green Bay game, and maybe they beat the Packers if he's healthy, but they probably don't because they didn't have good enough offense and they didn't have good enough quarterback play. But the other tweet from EP8, which I thought was a really smart tweet in terms of how to look at it, is flip it around and say that you're the Chargers. If you were the Chargers, would you trade Herbert for Chase Young? You wouldn't. You would not trade Justin Herbert for Chase Young. You would keep that quarterback that you watched all this year. The quarterback that really kept that team totally competitive. I know how many games

they won guys. Okay, I watched their season. They won seven games, too, not very good. By the way, I think Anthony Lynn did a good job with Herbert. And he may do a decent job in Detroit as well as a coordinator. Do you know how many of those games were so winnable? Do you know basically the games that they lost? Herbert had him right there. He had him right there against the Buccaneers early in the year. Bucks are in the Super Bowl. He had him, and that Monday night game, remember, against the Saints where he threw, what did he do against the Saints in that game? I think it was like four touchdown passes he had against the Saints in that game. And they lost in overtime, 30 to 27.

Yeah, he had four touchdowns, no picks against that Saint defense. They were so close all year long. They lost two overtime games. One to the Saints, one to the Chiefs. Herbert was fabulous in both of those games. They lost to Tampa by seven. Tampa is in the Super Bowl. They lost to the Raiders in a close game and then beat the Raiders in overtime late in the year, where Herbert was great.

He's good, man. He's really, really good. So, yeah, I would do it. I would hate doing it, but I would do it. All right, let's bring in J.P. Finley from NBC Sports Washington. He just put out this story. I don't know when you put it out. I may have missed it earlier this morning. Follow JP at J.P. Finley, NBCS, and listen to his podcast as well. But the title is, report, Washington might pursue Carr, as in Derek Carr, in three-way Watson deal. Why don't you make everybody aware of where this came from and the believability of it? Yeah. So this is a report from Vegas, and I want to be very clear. This is not my report.

The believability, I think, is a pretty big question. And not that I'm questioning the reporter, just the actual. prospects of getting this magnitude of a trade done seems pretty far-fetched to me. But the idea is that Oakland wants Watson and that plenty of teams are going to be interested in Derek Carr because he just had a really good year for, I said Oakland, for Vegas. And Car completed, I think, 67% of his passes, 4,000 yards, 27 TDs, nine picks. It's a good year. And Carr's been pretty much delivering that the last few years.

last three seasons he's gone over 4,000 passing yards each year. Accuracies about 68, 69 percent, more than 2 to 1 TVs to I&T. So, I mean, he's a young quarterback that's under contract, another two seasons. He turns 30 in March. So if Vegas, if Gruden wants to go get to Sean Watson, he's first got to move car. And the thought is plenty of teams are interested in Carr. And if they can get back, if Vegas can get two first. rounders for Carr, then they can put a package together for Watson that would be three or four first rounders, and then they could get to Sean Watson.

So then it becomes what teams would be willing to pay two first rounders for Derek Carr, which I think is a very, very legitimate question. And the article listed the Washington football team. And this is from the Las Vegas Review Journal, which I believe is kind of the biggest newspaper in town in Vegas. And the reporter, I don't know him personally, but it's a legit NFL reporter. He hosts a radio show. Forgive me, I don't have his name in front of me. It's all right. It's not Tim Murray, who's going to be joining us here shortly to go over prop bets for the Super Bowl. But go ahead.

Ask Murray what he thinks of this story. Yeah, I will. But in short, where things kind of, I don't know if they fall apart, but they seem tricky, is is somebody going to give up two first for Derek Carr? Bingo. And we know what just happened with Matt Stafford. Stafford went for two first and a third, but that was also kind of a salary dump to get rid of Jared Goss's contract.

This is just a straight trade for Carr. I wouldn't I wouldn't give up two first. I'm not sure a ton of teams would. Maybe that's different for teams that have two first or that have ample draft capital. You know, I wonder if Washington, the reports are that Washington offered a first, a third, and a player to get Stafford.

Maybe you go a first and a third to get Carr. I'm not sure you do. Now, I think if you can come up with a package of a second and a third or a second and a player, I'd start to get pretty intrigued. I like Derrick. I don't think, I think there's kind of this, you know, second tier or maybe even like a third tier of quarterbacks out there that um do you follow uh i'm

blanking on his name daniel jeremiah he does a ton of NFL yeah yeah yeah yeah i think he's super smart and and and i really like this analogy he came up with when it comes to quarterbacks there are trucks and there are trailers there are trucks that can haul your team where it needs to get to and i think the the trucks in this metaphor would be mahomes rogers Russ Wilson, really the elite. And then there are trailers that when they have a really good team around them, they can move the product and get to where you want to be. And I would certainly put Carr, Goff, Cousins, you know what I mean,

by that next tier of quarterback. I kind of wonder if Stafford's in that tier. I guess we're going to find out now that he'll be on a good team with a really good coach. But I have a hard time paying. I don't think it's at all feasible for two first round picks to Vegas for Carr. If you can come up with a different package, I'm intrigued by Carr. I really like the accuracy. He's shown some kind of moxie, I think, especially this past year.

John Gruden has never seemed to really embrace him for whatever reason. So maybe there is real viability that he gets traded or at least there's real interest there because everybody knows Mariotta's behind him too. and Marriota looked good when Carr got injured in that, was that a Monday night game? Yeah. So it's an interesting little subplot to what is going to be a million subplots

at the quarterback position between now and then at least the start of free agency in mid-March, but probably now all the way to the draft. I just think if they're looking for two ones and they're using the Stafford trade as their comp, even though Stafford's a little old, has dealt with the back issues. I just think people regard Stafford higher than they do car.

I do. First of all, you know, the believability, you didn't answer that. What's the believability for you? I understand, I agree with you. The part that to me is completely unbelievable is that Derek Carr would be worth two first rounders. But that's because I'm not a car guy. I think they're 18 to 19, maybe 20 quarterbacks in the league right now are situations that I'd rather have than Derek Carr.

And I've looked at his numbers and I've watched him play. And it's funny how these conversations go, right? It's a part like, let's look at his numbers and what he said, oh, that doesn't look that bad. But then we all watch a lot of football. You do, I do. And we both watch more than just our own team. I just have never seen it.

There's something about him. Cooley and I used to argue about this all the time. He loved Carr coming out. He doesn't like Carr nearly as much anymore. He loved him coming out. I think there's probably a reason that John Gruden wants to move on from him. But to me, he's not even in Stafford's class. I think this is a, you know, this is somebody that needs a stop gap or maybe they're going to take a role on a guy maybe developing

into a franchise quarterback, but it's not worth a first rounder. In my view, I wouldn't do it. Now, the believability to me falls apart with the two-first. I just don't know that the league would evaluate Derek Carr as a two-first-round pick guy, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one team that might value him that way. What is believable for Washington right now? Yeah, I mean, the cost is too high, but it's only too high if nobody will pay it. You never know what thing will happen. I don't think you can go 18 deep before you get to Derek Carr. You said 18, 19. Yeah, I mean, I did this, I did this like a week ago. Like, I mean, all right.

AFC East. Josh Allen, I'd rather have two is upside. That's two. Obviously, Rothelberger is old. I'll take him out of the conversation. Jackson, Burrow. I like Tanna Hill. I'm sorry?

Baker, probably, if you're doing that. Yeah, well, I don't know. Baker, to me, it still hasn't proven it, but I thought he was pretty good this year, and he might be better than Carr, but I'll keep him out of it. Tanna Hill, I like. Deshawn, obviously.

the Trevor Lawrence situation in Jacksonville, I'd much rather take a gamble on. Mahomes is eight, Herbert's nine. That's just the AFC. And the NFC, DAC is 10, Aaron's 11, Kirk is 12. The Tampa situation, even though Brady's old, I'd still rather take that for the next two years than cars, 13. Matt Ryan's 14, Russ is 15, Stafford's 16, Murray is 17. So, yeah, he'd be in that 18 plus range for me. Yeah, I'd probably have them.

I would take car over, I didn't think, too, it didn't impress me. I agree about it. He just didn't look fluid. Yep. I'd take car over Kirk. No way. You and I have a fundamental disagreement over Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins, and if it were a numbers argument, it wouldn't even be close.

Kirk would crush him. I think Carr and Kirk are actually pretty similar. Not in the advanced stuff. But anyway, go ahead. I don't know where I'm going. What's believable for Washington? Going forward, I think what's believable for Washington is they've shown a willingness to take a big swing with Stafford. So I think they will be, whether it's real or perceived, rumored with any part.

possible quarterback movement. And maybe that's the drive up prices. Maybe it's reality. I think, I think kind of anything's possible, honestly. And maybe not probable, but possible. And I think we should absolutely be mindful of that being a trade up in the draft for a QB.

I know you said they love Fields. I'm not sure if Fields would be the guy. I don't know that. But I think they are going to try to take a big swing to solve the quarterback issue. And Ron already said that. I mean, that's not, I just don't know what's going to become available. I know Atlanta's saying Matt Ryan is untouchable. I don't understand that if I'm Atlanta.

You got a new GM. It's the cap thing. He's really expensive in a cap hit. Right, but you're rebuilding anyway. What do you want the picks and you draft your quarterback? and you take the one-year cap hit? Like, you're not looking to compete next year. Yeah, it's an acceleration of like epic proportions, I think.

I think it's really painful. And I think, you know, Matt Ryan, by the way, think about, I know he's two, three years older than Stafford, but I mean, he could, you know, Atlanta to me is one of those teams that could turn it around in a hurry. That defense is bad. It's really bad, but offensively. Yeah.

Yeah, I think, I think you're right. Like, you know, some people have tried to convince me that the big swing was Stafford. That's who they really wanted. And that was the swing. Like last year, Cooper was who they really wanted. That was their swing. I think they would have swung for Kenyon Drake had he not been resigned and protected. But I think that I think you're right.

I think there are more swings coming, you know, which is an admission that they're not okay with. Taylor Hineke and Kyle Allen and maybe Alex Smith. I know that there are a few people that really are impressed with fields. And I, you know, what it would take to trade up is probably what, you know, Reed traded up to get Mahomes a few years ago. You know, you're an extra first and third in addition to the swap. What about other, like, if Darnold became available, do you think they'd be a, you said every quarterback they're going to be rumored with.

I totally agree with that. But you have a sense of what they would be looking for in a quarterback. To me, Darnold might be a guy they'd be interested in if he were available. I can see him and be very price-oriented, I think. I think if he's available for the extra third they have from Trent, you're interested. If they're claiming they want a first or something great. The fact that, again, I don't know the reporter, but somebody. telling him this. Nobody's telling them they want two first for their car. If somebody's floating

that, then who knows what they're going to say for Sam Darnold, especially the success of Tanna Hill once he escaped Adam Gase makes this complete narrative for Darnold. Like, oh, it's just got to get out of the jets and get away from this crazy-eyed coach. Good point. Good point. So, I mean, it's almost so simple that, you know, an agent or or an executive can be like, no, it's got to be at least a second, or maybe it's got to be a late first. And then I think I'm not as interested. I loved Sam Darnold coming out of the draft.

He was my favorite quarterback in that class. I mean, I thought his accuracy and kind of just his pocket awareness when he was the USC was really going to translate to the NFL. Me too. I don't know now. And the first day you get them, you've got to guarantee the fifth year. I don't know. I do know this, and I've talked with people in the building,

there's this perception that whoever the quarterback is, whoever the answer to QVX is has to be mobile. I know that they believe their offense, if they just have a good quarterback that's really accurate in the pocket, that's fine too. Well, Kyle Trask is pretty accurate. Mack Jones is pretty accurate, and they might have a chance at either one of them at 19.

By the way, just real quickly, because I don't want to lose the thought. I totally agree with your Gace comment, which is really funny because when you think about it, let's not forget who loved Adam Gase, Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning and Gase loved each other in Denver. You know, he gave Gase a lot of credit for like sort of resurrecting his career after that, you know, the neck and the nerve thing that he had, which is interesting. I think this happens in the NFL. This happens across sports, really.

that and that's great that Peyton gave him a lot of credit. But whoever thinks Adam Gase is the reason Peyton found success, rather than Peyton being the reason Peyton found success is just mind-blowing to me, especially after what we've seen now in two different stops. Like when I hear the complaints about white coaches being able to get a second chance, whereas black coaches don't get that, I think Adam Gase is the poster child of that. Like he was awful in Miami, why he got another job I've never understood.

understand, and it's all traced back to his success in Denver with Peyton Manning, who's arguably statistically anyway, the greatest quarterback of all time? I think Peyton's the reason they found great success. I don't think it was Adam Gase. And just think, you know, it probably wasn't that Peyton could have ended up here with Mike and Kyle. I know, I know. And you would have... I wasn't he didn't want to play Eli twice a year? Yeah, I mean, there was that. I guess. I mean, I think I think it was that. I think probably Peyton, like a lot of people looked at the, you know, and people still look at this situation. And they're a little bit skeptical, you know, even if there's somebody here that they, you know, respect highly because they know that even these people that have been respected highly ultimately end up being moved on from.

I know you're busy Rivera's and Herney and Mayhew are doing all these conference calls and Zoom calls today and you've got to be on it. But I just read this. I called you real quickly. You came on. That's so nice of you. I appreciate it. We will talk soon, I am sure. All right. Thank you, Kevin. All right. Let's bring in a good friend, a recognizable voice for many of you that are listening. Tim Murray, who was on 980 for many years and has been on this podcast many times. So it's not like I'm introducing Timmy. I'm just reintroducing him because I wanted to mention that Tim has a new. show on the Veson network, which is the Brent Musburger Gambling Network that's taking off. Tim and Aaron moved to Vegas two months ago, three months ago, whatever it was, longer than

that maybe now. Aaron is producing Tim's show. In addition to producing this podcast, Aaron also produces Tim's radio show. It's called the Nightcap. It's on from 10 p.m. to 1 a.m. Eastern. and if you have Sirius XM, you can just get it on the Veson channel, right? And I'm sure there are other ways to get it too. Yeah, we're not on XM anymore.

We joined a partnership with IHeart. But we have free stream. You can download the Veson app or IHeart, whatever. We're all over the place. You can see my pretty face too if you go to vesen.com. The crazy thing is, and you, Kevin, once things clear up, and I heard your son was out here, you are going to just fall over yourself

when you see the circus sports. I've heard. This thing is out of control. And the first night, so this show is brand new, as you mentioned, just launched on Monday. And it's a late night show.

You know, we're sweating out bets. We're looking at all everything that's unfolding. And it's kind of a fun show. I mean, you know, um, we felt like there's a bit of a void in the market there and,

and overnights and stuff like that. But the crazy thing is, once all the games end, I turned over my shoulder and the massive screen in the middle of the Circa Sportsbook is our show with it going. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it's been cool. Where is the setup in the sports book? Yeah. So the sports book is about three levels there at Circa. And we're on the second level overlooking everything.

So the visuals are really neat. You know, right behind us is the big board with all, you know, with all the odds. And, yeah, it's unbelievable. And there's so many other places in town that are great, too. The Westgate Superbook, which was the old Las Vegas Hilton. That's a great spot to watch a game. So there's obviously, as you know, so many places to watch games in town. But yeah, the Circa Sportsbook is incredible.

Is the Circa on the strip? No, it's downtown Las Vegas. Oh, it is. Okay. Yeah. So it was, it was kind of a big deal. Obviously, you know, I am not a local. And we did the launch in October, the grand opening night, which was a ton of fun.

And did it be part of that? We did a live stream for about five or six hours on Visan. And I didn't realize it's been 40 plus years since a new casino had been built in downtown Las Vegas. Fremont Street is a hell You know it, it's a hell of a time on Fremont Street. Oh yeah. And it's right and the circus is built right on there and Derek Stevens is the owner and he's

put this all together and it's right there on Fremont Street. It's a great location and yeah, you get that old old school charm, but it's a bit of a longer ride from the airport than it is to the script. But because from the airport, you're right, you're there in four minutes.

Oh my God. To where you want to go, no matter I almost feel like, Kevin, you know, you and I have taken many, oh, taxi cab rides from the strip right to, or sorry, from the airport right to the strip. And now that I think back and know how close the airport is to the strip, I'm like, damn, I got ripped off. I mean, it is so close. It's pretty close. All right. We're talking to Tim Murray. And the reason that I wanted Timmy on was, one, to promote a show because I know he'll be great at it.

he's been doing now gambling-related shows for, you know, for NBC sports for a while, and now for the biggest gambling network there is. By the way, have you gotten to know Brent at all? So I've, we had, so the really neat thing before my show launched, you know, they signed me to my deal and kind of said, you know what, we'll figure out where you're going to go. And ultimately, I landed on Brent's show. Now, Brent isn't doing his show anymore, the original show, my guys in the desert, but he would come on weekly. And we had some good times. I got him to laugh the other day because for those who have young kids, Cars 2, Brent Musburger is the broadcaster in Cars 2. And I didn't know that.

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, crap, there's Brent. So I bring it up to him and he starts laugh. And he's like, you know what, Tim? the residual checks are beautiful. You know, he obviously, he understands gambling. And he really understands, you know, Scott knows him to a certain degree and has shared some stories.

I'm not saying they're friends at all. But, you know, he certainly understands the way we think about gambling. Have you shared with him sort of how we go about it? I haven't had a chance to really sit down with him, just with COVID and everything. He hasn't come around the studio. Because I think he understands the contrarian, you know, handicapping philosophy of, you know, all of our friends are on one side. We'll take the other.

I'm sure we'll get into the Super Bowl here in a moment. That's what kind of scares me about the situation and what I'm feeling. But, yeah, I mean, hell, I'll give you an example. I don't know where you were. College hoops, I don't know how you've been doing, Kevin. I've been struggling. It has been a bear to figure out this year. And I was on Indiana. Me too. God. Last night. Yeah. And I, you know, I don't know when people are listening. But I, you know, once again, when fortunate enough, I was just looking at my app on Monday when the Lions came out. And it opened Indiana Plus 4. And I immediately played it. And then money. And then the money started to come in. and I was watching that game on air and it felt like it was done. You know, it's 6456 Indiana and just, I mean, that was an MFer to lose. I had, you just knew it. You knew it.

So we're going to get to the Super Bowl, which is why I had Tim on and also to talk about his show, again, 10 a.m. to 1 a.m. Eastern. And by the way, I was thinking about this when you told me that this was going to be the new time slot. and Aaron was telling me about it. I think it's the best time to be on. It's a fun time. Because you get to basically count down.

First of all, you've had some games come in that are already final. You've got some games that are starting, you know, West Coast that you can weigh in on. But you're analyzing and recapping and talking about the games that were just played. By the way, Timmy, you know, you and I both have done this a long time. I'm not saying this in a bad way. But those are easier shows to do. The shows where you're talking about something you just watched and recapping than doing the shows where you're building up to it,

or you don't have, you know, you're coming up with different types of topics because there are no games to talk about. You get to come off, you're right in the middle of games ending and then teeing it up for the West Coast games. It's awesome. Yeah, it's really, yesterday, Tuesday night was kind of the perfect situation. because Golden State and Boston tipped off as our show began. The Nets game, the Nets played the Clippers on Tuesday night.

That game wrapped up right as we hit the air, so we were breaking that game down. And one thing I like, you know, and I'm not a big player prop player, you know, a better, I should say. But so many people love playing game-by-game player props, Kevin. It's really the new way. Yeah, it's not, it doesn't interest me. No, I'm more like you. I like to pick a side. And, and you know, I mean, there's more.

But, you know, last night, man, if you played, Steph Curry had one of those vintage Steph games. He had seven threes and had 39 points or whatever it was. So every player prop that you could have imagined on Steph sailed over. So we're keeping track of those. And to be honest, you know, as the Indiana, Illinois games going on, and you know how it is, when you have skin in the game, you're a little more agitated or on edge. And I didn't understand the decision as we break down a Indiana, Illinois game on a DC podcast.

But, you know, at 7371, make the free throw and then force Illinois to make their free throws. I'm going to be honest with you. I was out at that point. I did not see the end. I thought it was a winner when I went to bed. I woke up at 4 this morning and looked at my phone. Oh, yeah, you got a morning show to do. Yeah, I looked at my phone and I saw, you guys.

Gotta be kidding me because I had Indiana plus three. I'm going to tell you a story here in a moment that you'll appreciate. Last night, though, I actually, last night was a good night. The weekend was actually decent for me. I had Clemson last night. Clemson's been really odd. They've either gotten crushed or they've won games outright, and they were only catching two and a half against an improving Carolina team

after they got blown out the other day. So I had Clemson, they went out right easily. I had Michigan State last night. I think after losing by 30 to Rutgers and only, scoring 37 points. I thought the number looked a little bit light against Iowa. I took them. They were a winner. I had Ole Miss last night, catching a short

number against Tennessee. They won outright. I had Jacksonville State. Don't ask me why, but they seemed... I did too, and I was a overtime loser. Overtime loser, and they were up... They were up three with, you know, five seconds to go,

and Eastern Kentucky made a three to tight and force overtime. We lost an overtime. I had a Indiana, and then, which was a loser too. I had Texas. I had Texas last night. What is interesting is I did not play Maryland last night, and I think a lot of people that know the way we think would say, well, they were a three-point favorite over a ranked team. Why didn't you have them? I'll be honest with you. It's been hard for me to bet Maryland. I like betting Maryland as a dog this year on the road when I have a feeling they're really desperate. And I thought they were

desperate last night. I just didn't like them as a favorite, even though the public. was on Purdue and there was sharp money on Maryland. As it turns out, they didn't get it done. But the game I'm going to, last night also, this is, we're getting into some detail that we usually don't get into and people are going to think that I'm going to need to call the gambling hotline number. I'm not. There's not a lot of, nowhere near the amount being wagered that I used to have. But two early games, all right? I had, I really liked Butler and I really liked Wake Forest, but I had bad clock management, and the games went, and I didn't play them. However, I did bet Wake Forest right before halftime live in-game at plus five.

They lost by 21. However, Butler was getting their ass kicked, and I got them at plus nine in game, and they only lost by three. And by the way, if I had, if I had bet Butler – I didn't see the end. If I had bet Butler outright, they would have won anyway. They were a three and a half point dog. But I wanted to tell you real quickly, just because I told Scott this last night or the day before. So Sunday, it was Sunday.

Sunday was the day that we had the snowstorm here. By the way, it snowed here four straight days. I'm sure you heard about it. It's 60 degrees. It was still snow flooring here this morning. So Sunday, I had several games, and none of them were going well. I mean, none of them. I had UNC Will.

Wilmington, no good. I had Towson, no good. This was early. And then I had Elon plus seven and the Elon over 132. I had Sienna. I had Sienna as a seven-point favorite. I had Indiana State. Anyway, I lose the early games. I'm like, ugh, this is going to be because Saturday wasn't a good day, really either. And the Delaware Elon game, all right, just I'll try to make this so that everybody can digest it. Elon was a seven-point underdog, and the total was 132. I bet that the total would go over 132, and I bet Elon plus the seven. Don't ask why I'm betting an Elon Delaware game. If you've gambled before, you know why I had an Elon Delaware game, because we needed the action, and there weren't a lot of high-profile games. I didn't like any of the high-profile games early Sunday,

anyway. Well, it was the, and just to interrupt, you know, I've been betting a lot of Northeast Conference games this year. That's the conference that Mount St. Mary's. Yeah, I'm very familiar with it. I love betting it because it's, it's the zigzag theory. So this year has been so unique. Back to back games. Back to back games. So if the better team barely covers or loses, it's an auto fire on the better team. Well, why do you think I had Towson and Wilmington? It was the same thing. They had played the, day before. And I think in Wilmington's case, they'd been blown out and they were catching a short number. But you're right. I mean, a lot of that, a lot of that's worked. And by the way, Tim, a lot of it

a lot of it hasn't worked. Yeah. But Mount St. Mary's, didn't they lose the Sacred Heart the day before? Because I think I liked the Mount. Yeah. So Mount St. Mary's, I'll give you a, I was a little D-Gen on Sunday, too. So Mount St. Mary's, I've kept a close eye on them. I know some people, you know, over there. like many people do. And yeah, they lost a sacred heart. And then they were laying six or seven the following day because it's just based on the numbers that the books have. They're not going to change it. And I played Mount first half and full game and they got both home.

But it doesn't always work. The best team in the conference is Bryant. They were on the road at Fairley Dickinson. They blew a late lead on Saturday. And I said, all right, bounce back spot for Bryant. And they lost outright. So it doesn't always work. Well, you know, Drake.

Oh, the covering machine. Yeah, Drake's been the covering machine and they played Illinois State and back-to-back games. And they were, I think, a 16-point favorite one by two in overtime. It was the closest game I think they've had this year. That was the first time they didn't come home. And then they were laying 19 the next day. And I'm like, hello. They're going to absolutely destroy them.

And they did. But anyway, back to the Elon Delaware game. And then Siena Marist and Indiana State and a couple of others. I'll tell you about. So it was one of those deals where I'm sitting there and I'm, I got the Elon Delaware game up. When people say up, it's not on television, but there's a game cast and sometimes you can watch it on ESPN 3. Anyway, my family, it's snowing out. My family's like, hey, we're going to watch a movie. And it's one of the movies I recommended yesterday, if you missed the podcast yesterday, the little things with Denzel Washington, Rami Malick. Excellent. Although I didn't love the ending, but I'm not going to tell you why.

You watch it yourself. So it was one of those situations, Tim. Over 132, Elon plus 7. The score is 68 to 53 with like a minute 10 left. It's like, so I'm at 121, okay? And it's a 15-point game. And we both know how these things go, right? It's like they're not in a position to foul because the game's over.

They're down too many points. And so it's going to end up the final minute 10. is going to run off pretty easily and it's going to be a 70 to 56 final or whatever. So I left it and I just said, I'm getting my ass kick today. I'm going to have to pay up. I'm going to have to settle and it just sucks. And I went and watched the movie. We watched that movie. Then we watched another movie. And then I came back and my computer was still open on the Elon Delaware game. And it said Delaware 75, Elon 70. And I'm just like, wait a minute. How did that happen?

I won both of them. Well, what happened was somehow Elon hit a quick three, because I went back and checked the play-by-play, and this is by memory now, hit a big three, and then there was like a turnover and another quick three. So it basically went from like, we're going to run the clock out to like a nine-point game, and then they started the foul game, which obviously put me in the money for the over. It didn't guarantee that I would get Elon. But I'll shorten this up by saying, then I just scroll down the ESPN.com scoreboard. Sienna, the last score I had seen before I went to watch the movie, they were laying seven, they were down nine.

They won by 13. I had Indiana State in a pickum, they won. I had, who was playing Marquette Sunday? St. Johns? I had St. Johns, they won. And then I had Central Connecticut. They won. The Blue Devils.

Yeah, I had Central Connecticut day one. I had Washington State, all right, and by the time these movies were over, I pop in and Washington State's up like 10 in the first half. And I had run off like six straight wins, you know, to get back under my numbers so I didn't have to settle. And I did end up having Northwestern, which did not work out Sunday night. That was the only one. But the Elon Delaware was one of those pleasant gambling surprises

because you basically have said, loser, loser. turn it off or move away from it, only to come back four hours later and say, how did that happen? That's a nice big surprise. Who do you like tonight? I haven't even looked at the board for tonight. On Saturday, I was out buying a car, and I had Virginia part of a money line parlay. They were laying a short number of Virginia Tech.

I love Virginia this year. I like tech the other day, though. Yeah. And they were getting their ass kicked in the first half. Oh, it's getting their ass kicked. And I looked down on my phone and we're, you know, signing the paperwork for a car. And I'm like, what is happening right now? I think Virginia Tech went on a 30 to 9 run to end the game and just kick the crap.

They've played Virginia well. Well, so speaking of that, I think you might enjoy this spot. I like Pittsburgh tonight plus the four. Of course. I'm looking at it right now. Virginia Tech coming off that win and Pittsburgh's catching a short. number. Pittsburgh's capable. Especially at home and over the weekend.

So here's the thing. People are going to look at this game, right? Virginia Tech at Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh lost by 26th to Notre Dame over the weekend. Virginia Tech pummles UVA. Yeah, I know. Got to go with Pittsburgh plus the four. I like Pittsburgh a little bit.

You know, another game I like, and it's a decent number. Yeah. I like UVA a little bit, laying six and a half. at NC State. NC State's best player tours ACL two games ago. And I think UVA coming off a loss

could stifle them and shut them down. But I'm not a big fan of laying points on the road even in this pandemic year. But yeah, Kentucky short number. Kentucky's been tricky, though, this year. I think Kentucky could be a spot.

I had them against Bama the other night. That was painful. The game was tied with four minutes to go. And they lost. Yeah, that was a night of just brutal. Yeah, that was. And I had Missouri State against Drake. Oh, of course you did.

Of course you did. What about the next night? Did you have them the next night? No, I went away from the next night. I'm like, they were just, I mean, I went away from them the next night. Missouri State, they've been a team that I know a lot of people have been on Missouri State, and they have gone 0 and 4 ATS in their last four games. You know, you and I both can understand this.

There are a lot of people listening that have already fast forwarded, waiting for our Super Bowl prospects. But we're enjoying the conversation. And for the three of you that have been on a lot of these games, you understand what we're talking about. Missouri State, the whole, basically the Missouri Valley Conference has always been, to me, a very interesting conference to bet. And the contrarian theory over the years has always worked a little bit in that league for some reason. And I think part of it is because there are very good home, now not in the pandemic, but there are good home court advantages in the Missouri Valley. and so when you get, you know, a team that isn't as good as a really good team in the Missouri Valley,

getting a short number at home, it is worked over the years. You know, those are mostly basketball schools. Well, obviously, it's not a football league. The point being, they've had some really good programs in that league over the years. Yeah, I mean, once upon a time, we had, you know, Creighton when they were when they were in, of course. Yeah, Wichita State is now in the AAC. Right, but they were great. Yeah.

I mean, and we had, you know, Bruce Pearl was at UW Milwaukee. They've moved on to the Horizon League, I think. But, yeah, actually, UW Milwaukee might have always been in the Horizon League. But Southern Illinois had Bill Self there. Oh, they had some really good teams. Yeah. Yeah, so, well, Valpo wasn't in that league. They were, yeah.

Yeah, Valpo's moved to that league now. Right, exactly. You know, yeah, these Midwestern schools. And, you know, Drake had a year. I don't know if people recall. I think it was. Evansville had some years. Yep, they've had years, the Purple Aces.

But there was a year where Drake went, I want to say, 29 and one. And they played one of the more epic first round games. It was one of those late night 10 o'clock tips in the first round against Western Kentucky. Look up the box score when you're bored. This game was like 100 to 99. It was unbelievable. I remember I was sitting at my ex-girlfriend's house at the time, or not it was girl. at the time. And she's like, I'm going to bed. I'm like, I'm not. I'm watching Drake in Western

Kentucky play this game out. But yeah, the Missouri Valley should be a two-bid league. Loyola, Chicago, the sister jeans. If you look at Ken Palm, they're 13th. They're really good. So are you more into Ken Palm or net every day? Because the net's being, but but the net for gambling purposes, not for tournament, not for tournament bids. Yeah, I use it as a reference point. I don't, I don't, it's not, well, the committee's using net more than they're using Ken Palm. Yeah. But there are a couple of places out there. I'm right about that.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think they are. Yeah, they use the net. Where did Maryland move up to in Ken Palm last night, up to 41? Boy, I just, I opened the show talking a little bit about the Terps win last night. They have four wins now overranked teams. So bizarre.

Their, their resume is the craziest thing ever. They're going to get in. I mean, they got a win. in four more games. Eight and twelve in the Big Ten will get them in with their resume. I don't, yeah, I think Lenardi had them in as of last night after the win over Purdue. Just don't screw it up and lose to Penn State this week on Friday. Well, Penn State's good though, Tim. They're a good team. They just beat Wisconsin and then lost Wisconsin. Did you play Wisconsin last night? I didn't, and I sort of liked them. I just backed off

it because you know why? I've watched Penn State a couple times. First of all, the action was more split than I would have thought. Penn State's decent. They got talent. This whole league. I opened the show. That was an ugly first half, 33, 31, and then Wisconsin just went on a run in the second half. I opened the show for the fifth time this year, not opening the show, but talking about how as a lifelong Maryland person and a lifelong college basketball fan, Naki and I were talking about this on the radio show the other day. I don't think that there's ever been a league as good as the Big Ten is this year. I don't think. I don't think. I can't remember an ACC year. There were a couple in the 80s where, you know, out of the eight teams, six were really good or five were really good. But there were two games that not, they weren't necessarily nights off, but they were not good teams. The Big Ten, take Nebraska out of the conversation because we have no idea what Nebraska would have evolved into. They haven't played, although Turch told me this morning on the show that they're going to probably play all their games and they're going to be a bunch of back-to-back.

with Nebraska as they play catch-up. It's loaded. I mean, Maryland's eight out of their last nine Big Ten games have been against ranked opponents. It's crazy. Who plays eight out of nine against ranked teams? The Big Ten and the Big Ten. Big Ten.

They have some seller dwellers. Iowa State and Kansas State are terrible. But other than that, I mean, Baylor, what they've been doing, And I mean, Baylor, once again, to bring it back to the point spread, you know, they cover yesterday at Texas against a really good Texas team. And they took punches, man. That game was tied. They were down 47-46 in the second half. They just have so many dudes. They're 17 and 0 and 13 and 4 against the spread. Yeah, somebody else. What's Gonzaga against the number? I'll find that. I mean, the problem with Gonzaga is they get bored. Their numbers are just so astronomical each and every week. But against the big boys, they were covering. They opened, you know, beat Kansas 102.90 to start the season. They, I don't know about you. I was, couldn't have been more wrong. I was on UVA the day after Christmas. Oh, boy. And that was just an ass whoop. I am with you

about UVA. Like, you know, when they beat Clemson by 35 and scored 85, you know, for them, that's like two games. I was like, ooh, man, here comes UVA, man. You can't score against them. And then all of a sudden, you get frustrated and then they start scoring easily. I'll give you my elevator pitch on Virginia, and I know this weekend didn't help it out. But, you know, this is a team that always will be one of the best defensive teams in the country. We know that. And after that Gonzaga game, they started to figure things out.

And Kevin, they score. They've had nine games or they've scored over 70 points this year. They had two all of last season. And if they're hitting threes, Sam House, The transfer from Wisconsin? God, against Syracuse, he had seven threes. Yeah. So you've got a veteran guard in Keigh-Claarck who's won a national championship.

Jay Huff is just a crazy matchup. He can. Yeah, he can. And then they've got the kid, Trey Murphy. I forget where he transferred from, but he's good, too. So I'm hoping they bounced back tonight against NC State. I played him at six and a half. I just like that bounce back spot for them.

And NC State's best player, Torres, ACL. Devin Daniels. I know, but they played well in the. the first game without them. See, I always wonder, here's my, no, I know, this is the, this is the coolly theory. Well, when the, when the coach gets fired or you lose a key, one game, you know, Oklahoma, yeah, over the weekend, everybody, everybody couldn't play Alabama fast enough over the weekend. And Oklahoma won that game outright. Uh, they went as a, and that was one of those games that I kicked myself because on Friday, I loved Oklahoma in

that spot. They were laying a short number against Red Hot Alabama. Then we get the COVID news. And I got scared off, and I ended up playing Alabama in-game, and that was wrong. And look, Oklahoma, they played their asses off against Texas Tech on Monday night, against and lost by five. The best teams I've seen this year, I've not seen enough of Baylor. So I'll just let you know that. I started to watch more of them, and they are, damn, they're good. They're really good.

They can shoot it. To me, Gonzag and Michigan are the two best teams that I've watched a lot of this year. I also continue to be so impressed with Kelvin Sampson and Houston. I just think he does such a great job coaching. His teams are so good defensively. They played a good team the other day in SMU, and they destroyed them. It was close in the first half, but they're really impossible to score against. And who did they lose to?

It was Michigan, right? The first year, Samson got him back into the tournament a few years ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the miracle shot. Yeah, there was like a buzzer beater from Rachman, I think. I think that's what it was. I think that was a three-six game in the second round? Something like that.

Houston was the higher seed, right? I think they were. I think they were. Yeah, I think they were the three seed, and they got beat at the buzzer. I mean, they are, you know, Houston's one of those places. They've got basketball history. You know, it's not just Phi Samma, Fai Slamma from the 8. Elvin Hayes made Houston, you know, a powerhouse in the 60s when they played against

Luell Sinder in the great UCLA team. The most famous college game in history is Elvin Hayes, you don't know this, maybe you do, 1969 in the Astrodome in Houston, number two, Houston ends UCLA's, you know, ridiculous winning streak with Lou El Sinder, aka Kareem Abdul-Jabbar at center. They would play later on that year in the final four and UCLA destroyed Houston. But he's, you know what Samson's done everywhere? One and one big. Big. And, you know, the Indiana situation was rough. I mean, like, they had a great coach there. It's too bad. Houston's got themselves a hell of a coach. Like, Samson's one of those guys, whenever it comes up, and I hate this conversation because I think Mark's doing a phenomenal job this year.

I actually think he's improving as a coach and I think he's doing one of his best jobs. But whenever, you know, the crazy Maryland fans start talking about, well, we could do better. You know, first of all, Chris Beards not come into Maryland. He makes four and a half million bucks at Texas Tech. Kelvin Sampson would be a phenomenal hire. You know, he just would be a phenomenal hire. I just think he is, he can coach up anything. And then, you know, being in a Maryland, you could then, you know, really recruit big as well being in this area. But I don't even want to talk about that. And Houston's an Under Armour School, too, I believe. I didn't even know that. Texas Tech is, I know that.

Yeah, for sure. And by the way, how about the state of Texas? Texas Tech, Texas, Baylor, and Houston. Basketball. It's a hell of a state right now. I mean, I saw the stat on Van Pelt Center last night. I was the first time, I think, ever, a top 10 matchup between two Texas schools. And we could get it again. I mean, if Houston or, I mean, Texas Tech's not top 10 this year, but I mean, they're going to be a bitch to beat in the NCAA tournament. Do you think, speaking in the Big 12, do you think Kate Cunningham's the best player in the country? I don't. Talent-wise?

I've seen him projected as like now the number one, number one in the draft. I know who I love as a pro prospect. Jalen Suggs at Kanzaga. Love Suggs. He's a, he's a bad ass. I like all, I like all three of them. I like all three of them because they are going to have, you know, Suggs is going to be a first round pick.

Kispert's going to be a first round pick. Kispert might play in the NBA for 15 years because now people are, I mean, look at J.J. Redd Who thought JJ Reddick would be in the NBA this long? And give him credit, obviously he, you know, tweak things and has become a good enough defender. Corey Kispert's got unlimited range. And he can hit threes from anywhere. And that's what's so scary about Gonzaga.

And, I mean, they just got dudes. I mean, Andrew Nemhart would start on any other team in the country. He was the, I think he was the best player on Florida. And he transfers to Gonzaga. He comes off their bench, closes out games. They got so many weapons. I do hope we get Baylor Gonzag at some point in that NCAA tournament because they are the two best teams.

But you know who I love to, and I know we've hijacked this and become a whole all-college basketball discussion. But look, I love Villanova. I do. Of course. They can just shoot. They can shoot you out of the gym. And you can be down 15 and they can come back in five minutes, four minutes.

The player that I like, and I don't know where he is in a mock right now. I would hope that he's in the first round is DeSumo from Illinois. I think he's going to be a very good NBA player, a big-time score or two at the NBA level. By the way, I think Kofi Coburn tried to rip off the rim and assembly hall like seven times last night. Sometimes I think he should dunk more, though.

Yeah. When they needed to, they just got him the ball and I felt as an Indiana backer, up, we're in trouble. He's just going to hammer it. So do you like Michigan or not? Do you agree with me on Michigan? I do like Michigan.

I mean, the tricky part is. They're loaded, and now this COVID break. Yeah, true. It's kind of added side out of mind, and that's why, Kevin, right before Villanova came back, because they were off for about a month due to COVID. And I played Villanova at 16 to 1 to win the title. And then I played them again at 18 to 1. So I've got a couple futures on Villanova right now to win the title.

Nate Oates is doing a really good job at Alabama, too. I mean, it's crazy. They can shoot the lights out, but what scares me about Alabama is, Aren't they that team in the 3-14 matchup that they just go ice cold and they get upset? Yeah, they could. But they, yeah, I love Nate Oates. You know, there are a couple of teams that I think I'm going to short when we get to the tournament. Like I think Iowa's super talented.

They don't guard anybody. They can't stop anybody. And then I love West Virginia again. I think West Virginia's tough, hard-nosed, typical, and it would not surprise me if they're sitting there like in an elite eight game as a five-seed or a six-seed. Wouldn't surprise me at all. By the way, coming out of that league, you're right,

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It's this week, Scottsdale. It's one of the best, it's the best tour stop. All right. Who do you like in the game? It's tough because every part of the contrarian in me says, all the way, right? I know you're going to be on Tampa. I know Van Pelt's going to be on Tampa. I just, I like Kansas City. I do. And I know, and I know that square. You know, what I'm going to do, Kevin, is one thing that I've picked up on out here is the money line for the Super Bowl never

is equal to the spread. Meaning, you know, if Kansas City's minus three, usually minus 170 on the money line. Well, people love the plus money on the money line, right? If you're going to go bet it, and it's the Super Bowl's the most heavily bet event of the year, people are going to say, I want the, plus money. I think Tampa's going to win. Screw the points. I want to take the plus money. So as the week goes on, the money line on Kansas City is actually kind of come down. So I haven't bet it yet. I'll probably bet Kansas City on the money line. And as the contrarian in me, I'm not going to feel great about it. And I, you know, I know Tampa Bay, the game plan. And, you know, with Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz out, and that is huge. What did, what did we see from Todd Bowles? I know you're

a huge Todd Bulls fan. And my God, A plus for him last weekend or two weekends ago. What he did at Green Bay, I thought was tremendous. The way that they were able to bend, but not break, especially late in that game, obviously the fourth, the fourth down decision by the Green Bay Packers. I think Todd Bulls is going to fire all sorts of creative exotic blitzes, try to take advantage of backup tackles on both sides of that Kansas City line. You know, that's why I think it's going to be, you know, intriguing to see what Kansas City does, how quickly Mahomes get the ball out of his hand, how, how well is he playing with that toe.

But, yeah, I like Kansas City on the money line, and I'm going to wait. And hopefully this is going to come down a little bit. Yeah, I like Tampa. I like the under, too. Yeah. Well, I'll give you another play that I played the other day. I played under 27 and a half in the first half. I think this has the makings. And look at the Green Bay Tampa game. Now, I was 21 to 10, thanks to one of the worst defensive decisions in the history of the NFL. Yeah.

But that was a very slow start, lots of blitzes. And then the second half, I thought Greenfield. Bay started to figure it out a little bit more, right? They were down 28 to 10. They find their way back. They make it 28, 23. I could see something similar happening in the Super Bowl. Kansas City historically has gotten up to slow starts, and I know you've seen it. And maybe this is a trend to fade now. But in his nine Super Bowls, the New England Patriots scored a total of three points in the first quarter, a total of three points. I didn't know that. Yeah. So I think we could see 14 to 10, 14 to 13 would be a little bit of a sweat.

But I like under 27 and a half in the first half. And there are props out there. You have to pay a little bit of juice, but you would be surprised that the juice isn't more, Kevin, where the second half will be higher scoring than the first half. Well, the second half typically is higher scoring. Exactly. And that's why I'm surprised.

You know, I was talking to a bookmaker the other day. and I think it was, you know, minus 1.30 or so that the second half in overtime would outscore the first half. I mean, it was a shorter price than you would have expected. I will look at Tampa pretty much across the board and the under across the board, meaning that more likely than not, I'll probably have Tampa first half, you know, and that'll be plus two. I like that way. Plus two and a half.

Yeah, somewhere around there. I'll have the total, which will be somewhere around 28, whatever it'll be in the first half. I haven't even looked at it on the various sites. I actually already played Tampa Plus 3 because I got a plus 3 even. So once I saw that, I played Tampa Plus 3 even money. I think I'll go under both sides too. Look, I've heard more than anything else, not a side. I've heard more than anything else that this has 35, 34 written all over it or 41, you know, 34 written all over it.

Well, I'm going to go under. I was under on Green Bay Tampa. It was my only loser championship weekend. I had Tampa. I had KC. I'd KC over and I had Tampa Green Bay under, which it didn't do. I like Tampa. I think that I think Bowles is going to figure it out.

I think this is going to be a close game. I think Tampa is going to probably try to slow. the game down a little bit as much as you can, but they've got to score. They've got to take shots. The thing about Kansas City's defense is you can get shots against them. It'll be interesting to see if playoff Lenny continues to play well because Fournette sucked all year long and then all of a sudden in the playoffs, he's been great. But it wouldn't surprise me if Fournett has a decent day or the combination of Fournette and Jones have a decent day. And, you know, Brady has ho-hum stats. But they win the game. You know, 24,

23, 27-24, something like that. I could see that. 27-24 was the first game of the year, right? That was the regular season, yeah. Yeah. And I predicted for Visan Chiefs 27, 23, not super-com. I just, yeah, at the end of the day, I just trust Mahomes so much. And I know it's impossible. I know. It'll be painful to be on Tampa. Trust me. I understand what I'm getting myself into. Oh, yeah. And usually, you know, and I'm almost surprised at myself, Kevin, that I'm not on Tampa. Usually I would be all over it because everywhere you read, it's, it's Kansas City winning this game. I think the more contrarian play honestly in this, because most bookmakers do believe it will be a lot of two-way action, you know, on both sides. But everybody's going to be on the old.

And, you know, things that you talk about on this podcast, on your radio show, and you've done for many, many years, especially with the smell test. I think the under fits the smell test much more than a side. And the reason is this thing opened 57 and a half. Everybody has said it's going to be over. It's now 56. Yeah, and the numbers come down. It keeps going down. So that's, you know, that's your reverse line.

I agree with that. I, you know, you know that there are a couple of people that I speak to that live in very well. climbs in the Caribbean. And there's a lot of KC minus three action to, though. But I like the under a lot. I think what I've heard too out here is anytime Tampa pop three and a half, it was a take for the betters. It's been sitting at three for a while.

Yeah. Earlier this week at the South Point, so that's where one of our studios is. South Point doesn't mess around with juice. they keep it minus 110 on everything. Yeah. So, you know, and what that means is, you know, right now Kansas City sitting at most spots is Kansas City minus 3 minus 120. So you got to lay extra juice.

So on the other side, you can get Tampa, as you mentioned. Yeah, and that's, you know, and by the way, you know me. That's the only thing that bothered me about my Tampa play is I got it at even money. I mean, they were really, you know, they really wanted some Tampa action there. Right. But I've seen it fluctuate. I've seen them at minus 110. I've seen Kansas City at minus 110.

Like right now I'm looking at two of my sites, including my bookie. All right. Hold on. Where is right now on one of my sites, Tampa's plus three minus 105 in Kansas City's minus 3, minus 115. My bookie right now has the chiefs at minus three and a half. So I don't like to see too much incenting Tampa action. I like what you said with the over-under, just to explain to everybody, and we've done this before, but when the whole world seems to be on the over thinking, you know, this is 3835,

and the number opened at 57 and a half, and it's coming down, what they're doing is they're saying, we would like more of your overaction. And so they are going to have some liability on the total. So what does that mean? That means the people you're betting with are going to need the game to stay under. So that's where I want to be with the people you're betting with. And I would, I'm curious, Kevin. It's right now at 56. The public's going to come in hard. The public's not playing this thing yet. No. They play it on Friday and Saturday and on Sunday. So if you like the under, I think you've missed a good number in 57 and a half. If you like the under like us, I would wait. I would wait. Sometimes it doesn't work out. But I think this number will go up when the public starts to fire away on the over because you know they are going to. All right. We got two minutes. it's here. And I'm going to wrap this thing up. You know, you and I could talk and we've done this so many times. We don't get to do it in person like we used to. Timmy and I, when we were working at the same station, we would just sit there in the bullpen and we would figure out the whole Saturday card,

usually during the fall more than anything else. But give me your favorite prop bets. Like, and I'm not talking about, like, we're not doing the show here on what's the cutest prop bet. I'm talking about a prop bet that you think really is winnable. So I think Travis Kelsey's going to have himself a day. I think a lot of people do. And I've been looking at these touchdown props. And I played once a day for a little bit that was intriguing to me. His anytime touchdown is you've got to lay a lot of juice minus 170 minus 175.

I think we could see Kelsey find a touchdown in the first half. That's two to one. So plus 200. So that was intriguing to me. I played that. And then I've been, you know, I faded. Mike Evans against the Packers, which was a scary situation because he had two catches for like 45 yards in the first half against Green Bay. But then he stayed under.

His receptions are four and a half, Kevin. And in his last eight games, he's had three or less in five of those games. So that's ones I've looked at. And what about Gronk? Gronk really hasn't done much. Now he had one screen. But on that screen, he went He went over the yardage number. Yeah, he went for 29 yards. I think Tom Brady seems more comfortable with Cameron Brate than he does with Gronk. He seems to look to Brate more. Right now, I'm seeing his total, Gronk, of receiving yards at 30 and a half.

Six of his last seven games have gone under that total. Now, there's been a couple games where he's had 29, so you're right on that number. So, yeah, Gronk under 30 and a half. a half might be a tough one because you know maybe brady just says i i know grunk and i know i'm familiar with him maybe that's part of the game plan and then another one that i saw uh people were were intrigued about and you mentioned it you know kansas city does um have the potential of of having big plays but if this thing's going to be methodical kevin tom brady's first touchdown pass over under 10 and a half yards.

I could see them getting in the red zone and his first touchdown pass being a six-yard touchdown pass to Chris Godwin or Mike Evans or something like that. So that's one I've been looking at and then I can't decide with playoff Lenny. I mean, my God, Bruce Ariens, he runs the ball.

It feels like on every single first down. I think the over-under on playoff Lenny carries is 11-5. What's the yardage number on playoff Lenny, Leonard Forenette? 48 and a half. Yeah, I like, you know, it upset me, actually, that they ran Ronald Jones at the end of that game and did not have Fournett in there, but I think Fournette may have been banged up a little bit.

I think Fournette's got a chance to have a big day. I'm going back just to check what Cleveland's rush numbers were in that game, because when they got back to running the ball, remember when they fell behind, this was before Mahomes got hurt, Chub had a couple of big runs. So Chubb went 13 carries 69 yards in that game. Buffalo really didn't attempt that much. Did they?

Did Singletary have that many carries? I like Fournette to be a big feature of this game. I think you can run the ball against Kansas City. And it wouldn't surprise me if they do. Because here's the thing about new. And you want to play keepaway, right? Yeah. Well, yeah, but you want to score.

and they took their shots, you know, against Green Bay in that first half. And Brady ended up having a hell of a first half, even though he threw three picks in the second half. But it would not surprise me at all if, look, the bottom line is nobody gives a shit in Tampa, led by Brady, how they do it. It's all about, you know, winning the game. And whether Gronk gets a touch or not isn't going to matter to anybody there. It would not surprise me if Four Nets up with, you know, a seven. 17 carry for 75-yard day, something like that with a touchdown. Would not surprise me at all.

I kind of like that a lot, actually. Yeah, 11 and a half. Especially in a game that I believe the under is the right side in. Yeah, and then the two running backs, I was talking to someone in Kansas City, and they said I would stay away from the running backs in Kansas City because it's just so hit or mess. But Clyde Edwards, it seems like right now Darrell Williams is the guy, they fancy over Clyde Edwards Allaire.

And both are sitting at 30 and a half rushing yards for this game. So, and oh, another one, he's been dealing with COVID protocol this week. I played under DeMarcus Robinson receptions at one and a half. He had, he wasn't even a, I don't even think he was on the field, really, in the AFC championship game. So I played under DeMarcus Robinson receiving receptions. under one and a half. All right. Anything else?

No, I think that's it. We could go talking about NEC hoops anytime. Are you looking forward to this game as much as I am? I'm actually really excited about this game. I think it's going to be tremendous. I mean, too great off.

I mean, obviously the storylines are off the charts. But I think, you know, after watching the playoffs, I do think the two best teams are here. I didn't buy into the bills, especially beating the cheap.

and I was on the Chiefs with you, but I was also on the Packers, disappointed in the Packers performance. But, you know, I give Tampa a lot of credit. Todd Bulls was, was spectacular. And I think the chess match that we're going to see with Reed and Bienemy against Todd Bowles is going to be one of the more fascinating storylines in this game. Because I thought what the way Todd Bulls blitzed Aaron Rogers and had him uncomfortable, can he do that again with Patrick Mahomes? Go Pit plus four tonight at home against Virginia Tech. Tim Murray, everybody. Listen to his show 10 a.m. to 1 a.m. Eastern. And you can follow Tim on Twitter at 1 Tim Murray.

And right there pinned is the tweet that gives you all the information on his show called the nightcap from 10 to 1 a.m. Always good to catch up. hope you and the family are healthy. I'll talk to you soon. All right, Kevin. See it. We're done for the day. Back tomorrow with Tommy.