The Kevin Sheehan Show - What If Snyder Is Right?

Episode Date: August 8, 2019

Kevin and Thom opened the show discussing "what if" Dan Snyder got the it right when he selected Dwayne Haskins?. What are the chances that tonight ushers in an era of elite quarterbacking that changes the fortunes of franchise? They also talked Nats, Kevin Durant, and more. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Yeah, Tommy's here. Aaron's here. The show today is brought to you by Stamps.com. If you're small business, use Stamps.com. More than that later. All right. I have something for you to start the show. Okay. You seem all fired out. Well, I was thinking about this on the drive over from the radio station this morning, and I didn't touch on it on the radio station. But what if tonight, or let me rephrase, what do you think the chances are that tonight is the beginning of a completely new Redskins era under the Dan Snyder ownership? That this pushing to draft Dwayne Haskins turns out to be the one thing, other than hiring Joe Gibbs in 2004, that the owner got right. and he turns out to be an elite franchise quarterback,

and that's the one position that could overcome all of the surrounding dysfunction, and we're on an eight to 10 year beginning of Redskins Utopia. Well, first thing, I don't think it could overcome all the dysfunction. Why? It did in Arizona when Kurt Warner showed up. No, no, no, no, no. We're talking about different kind of dysfunction. We are? Yeah.

Really? We're talking about an owner who gets in the way of the success, a team president who gets in a way of success, potentially a parent who gets in the way of success. This is a lot more complicated than how well Dwayne Haskins performs on the field. So if you want to know what I would rate it, there was a movie with James Spader. I think it was back in the 80s and it was called Less Than Zero. Yeah, I remember that movie. Okay, well, that's what I would rate it, less than zero. No, you're wrong about that.

No, you're wrong. Here's why you're wrong. Why? Because if he turns out to be the real deal, if Haskins turns out to be the real deal, maybe they don't contend for Super Bowls, but it ends up being a much better football team year to year moving forward. Kevin. It just does.

They're going to get in the way of themselves. They always do. Bill Bidwell was a terrible owner, Tommy. He was not. The Browns were terrible owners. in Cincinnati. And by the way, Dalton wasn't even that great, but he was good enough. It's not the same kind of formula.

Again, this is a guy, this is an owner who will literally get in the way. This is a team president. I mean, I can't fathom that we're having this discussion. I mean, I can't believe what air you're breathing on the way drive over from the radio station. I had the windows down. I mean, how many times do I have to say the aura of self-destruction? They will find a way to screw Dwayne Haskins up, even if Haskins is great. They'll find a way.

Well, if Haskins is great, by the way, you can't say if Haskins is great, because based on your sort of condition going into this conversation, he'll never recognize greatness here. He can't. So we'll never know until he's. He leaves here and goes somewhere else and maybe then becomes great. So you won't know that until later. I think, look, I would agree with you in a lot of different situations, certain companies, organizations, certain sports organizations.

The NFL is the finest line league. It is the closest league between winning and losing. And yes, bad management gets in the way of winning. and that's been proven out over Dan Snyder's 20 years. That's just bad management. This is poisonous management. Okay, and it's been poisonous at times, and by the way, it's at rock bottom right now. But it's the one sport where if you have the guy at quarterback,

if you have a guy that you stumbled onto and somehow he ends up being a top three to five quarterback talent, franchise talent, then they could have a run of being very competitive, despite Dan and Bruce and anybody else that's poisoning, you know, the coaches and the players in that locker room. Aaron, please make sure that we note this little passage that Kevin is on. I mean, this is the first preseason game. I can't imagine. I had to bring it up now because tonight would be the beginning of it. I can't imagine what we're going to hear from you.

if they look anywhere good in the preseason football. I'm not going to overreact to preseason football. I wanted to bring it up to you today because today could be the beginning. Tonight might be the beginning of the beginning of the Dwayne Haskins era that Snyder forced the team into. And as an organization, they stumbled into something. And, oh, by the way, as bad as Dan is, as bad as Bidwell was, Kurt Warner is out there. Oh, Tommy, Bidwell was it. He was cheap.

He thought Bidwell would ever win anything. He was cheap. And he got within a drive of winning a superable. You hear what I'm saying? He was cheap. He was cheap. He was cheap. And he was bad in that organization stumbled and bumbled around for decades.

Show me the equivalence of interference between Bill Bidwell and Dan Snyder. How about Al Davis in his later years? Yeah, Al Davis was a bad owner of his later years. You know what? A terrible owner. They had a really good coach and a super. hot quarterback back in 2002 that took him to a Super Bowl. They didn't win it. But you had a great coach, which by the way would be the other thing to stumble on to. I just don't think that Dan will

be able to attract a coach. I think Al Davis had a better chance of attracting John Gruden than Dan does. Not that John Gruden is the end-all-be-all. But anyway, I just, I think if you've got a great coach or an elite quarterback, that can overcome all of the other stuff. So that could happen starting tonight? Well, I mean, it could. Well, it could. Yes. Okay. Aaron, do you hear, do you hear the laughter? The laughter coming from Houston? It sounds like Trent Williams. I can hear him all the way from Houston. And he's probably listening to Kevin. He's laughing his ass off. He's saying, oh, yeah, this is the beginning of an error all right. I asked you what the chances were. You say less than zero. Ask me what the chances are because I haven't answered my own question. Okay. I'll bite. What do you think

the chances are. Not very high. I don't. I don't, but you know why that is? It's because I don't think Haskins is going to turn out to be an elite quarterback. I think, put it this way, if they had drafted Kyler Murray, somehow they had landed Kyler Murray, let's just say. And Kyler Murray was one of these incredibly dynamic, exciting, game-changing players, then I would have said the chances are 50-50 that they could be in for a little bit of a run here over the next few years. Who everyone had questions about before you were drafted. I understand that. But I'm just saying,

serious questions. In last year's draft, I actually was very intrigued, and I still am with Kyler Murray. I was not a big Haskins guy. What I'm trying to say is if the quarterback, if I had loved the quarterback, I would have given you a 50-50 chance that a great quarterback could overcome all of the dysfunction. You know, here's the other part to this. I was watching NBC Sports World. Washington the other night. They have, they actually show the practice. And they had Chris Thompson

miced up. By the way, I like Chris Thompson. I love Chris Thompson. Chris Thompson and Jordan Reed. I tell you what, they've got it. It would go a long way to what you're possibly foreseeing. I'm not foreseeing it. Okay. What you think is a slim possibility. If those guys are healthy, no matter who's playing quarterback, that's a big help. Especially Chris Thompson, more than Jordan Reed. I think both of them are super important to, and if they're going to be any good offensively, it'll be because the two of them stayed healthy. But what I'm saying, though, is I'm watching this thing the other night.

And I'm like, you know who doesn't get wrapped up into the Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen, you know, dysfunction and all the stuff that's going on and what people think and the fan erosion is, On a specific day in August, or any day, I'm sorry, in August after training camp starts, these coaches and these players, they're making a living and they're trying to be good. They're working hard and they're trying to win and they're trying to get better. And I know that you will say that many times in the past, somehow the front office gets in the way of that. They got in the way of RG3, clearly. but if you add an elite quarterback that's mature

that pushes the owner to the side and says, I can't, you know, I'm not going to have this relationship with you or figures out a way to sort of make the owner feel like there's a relationship there but really is dialed in on listening to his coaches and being a good teammate. I'm just saying that that group that's in the locker room and ends up on the field can overcome the management if the quarterback is elite. And I would also throw in if you had a really first-rate head coach that could really get the most out of what they're putting together.

I don't think it's going to happen. I really don't. I just think that the only chance they have, the only light at the end of the tunnel is an elite quarterback. That's their only chance to turn around what we see right now, which is a rock-bottom franchise that the owner has run into the ground over 20 years. And I might want to point out, arguably, their best offensive player is refusing to play for them. I understand that.

That's a big thing. It's a huge thing. It's a huge thing. Every day, it becomes clearer and clearer, at least the message that's being delivered, is he's not going to play for this team. But you know what? If Dwayne Haskins, by week 10 or 11, is putting up big numbers, and all of a sudden, he looks like the new Patrick Mahomes, like a superstar quarterback. And it wouldn't be, Mahomes wouldn't be the comp. Maybe Brady's the comp, or Peyton Manning's the comp.

and he just looks the part. Now all of a sudden next year, yeah, I hate Bruce Allen. I'm not a big fan of Dan Snyder as an owner, but I want to play with that dude. So I'm going to, I'll take the money on my final two years and go play for him. I'm just saying, Tommy, the only chance bad franchises have in the NFL is either an unbelievable coach or an elite quarterback. That's the only, there's no way they're going to slow build this with really good drafts and smart acquisitions, great management and great culture. That's not going to happen here.

We know that. Even though people are, it's amazing in getting back to taking calls, how incredibly optimistic people are about the Redskins' drafts. Like, yeah, right now, they don't look terrible. We can say that. We don't know anything about this draft.

This may be the biggest bomb draft of all time if Askins doesn't turn out to be really good. But the only way franchises like the Redskins, bottom-feeding franchises, is their only way out in the NFL is an elite quarterback. Okay, but when you're... Or a really good head coach. When you talk about the thin edge between winning and losing,

yes. This, you know, are you talking about the Bruce Allen propaganda where he says we're this close? No, I'm not talking about that. Okay, because, you know, they think they're talking about just making the playoffs. Oh, I know. And that's not what you're talking about. No, no, no.

You're talking about a double-digit win team. I'm talking about the final. line in an NFL game between winning and losing. The talent for the most part is pretty similar compared to other sports. And it comes down to, you know, a lot of things that happen in the game, but a lot of things that sort of set up what happens in a game, like a good culture, like not a lot of dysfunction, like good people, like people who are smart and work hard. And sometimes, you know what, that quarterback was just much better than our quarterback today. I don't think the talent is that similar from team.

Kevin. It's closest in the NFL than any other sport. That may be. It's designed that way, Tommy. It may be. But Kevin, when you watch playoff football, even to the average viewer, the first thing they look at is how slow is my team, the Washington Redskins? You can see it year after year in postseason play. Let me just make myself clear on this.

I'm not saying that there isn't talent disparity. between teams. What I'm saying is the talent disparity in the NFL is the closest of all of the sports. It's designed that way. You only have certain number of players. You have a draft that's based on previous record to give losing teams a chance to get better players. You've got a salary cap. The difference between the best team in the league and the worst team in the league in terms of rosters is much closer in the NFL than it is in Major League Baseball, the NBA, or hockey. That's what I'm saying. And I'm saying that there is...

That may be because of the number of players involved. I'm just saying that there's a... The line between winning and losing in the NFL is closer in that league than it is anywhere else. But, and by the way, things that aren't within your control can determine games in seasons, like injuries, like turnovers, a lot of those things. I don't want to get wrapped up in that. My only point is for a bottom-feeding franchise, and the Redskins are that,

what is their way out? Their way out is stumbling on to an elite quarterback or somehow attracting an elite head coach, which, by the way, is much harder. The quarterback, because of the draft, the quarterback can't say, I'm not going to play for you. He has to play for him. a head coach to get a good one has a choice. So if they stumbled onto the quarterback here in Dwayne Haskins, that would be their way out over the next 10 years.

I don't think it'll happen. I just think that if they hadn't drafted a quarterback and they had drafted Darnell Savage Jr. from Maryland, who by the way was very high on their draft board, and Montez Sweat, and they had drafted Will Greer in the third or fourth round, This conversation wouldn't be taking place. I'm just saying that if somebody told you today, eight years from now,

the Redskins are going to be on a run of five playoff seasons in eight seasons in eight years, you would say, well, it's because Haskins turned out to be great. Well, that would mean it would be smart to invest in Haskins and Haskins, I guess, wouldn't it? The company that they've created for the quarterback. If you believe that he's going to be the savior. Before he's ever taken NFL.

snap. I don't believe it. And I don't think they would think it would be good business to distance themselves from Dan Snyder if they're starting a Haskins and Haskins Enterprise. I would think they would think that Dan Snyder would be an important part of the success of any business of Haskins and Haskins Enterprise. So I see a future business partner, not just a quarterback. Okay. Okay. I guess you're not, first of all, what were you in your phone they're looking for. Were you in there looking for the name Haskins and Haskins? Did you forget that? Yes. That's what I thought you were doing. Yes. You know, you're trying to come up with the name of his marketing company, his branding company, and you couldn't remember it was Haskins and Haskins. I couldn't,

I can't believe you couldn't just deduct that that's what it was. This is why, you see that piece of paper on the floor? Yeah. That's why I threw it on the floor. And I didn't throw it in a waste paper basket. Why? Because I know that you're going to have to clean it up. That's why. That's why. I know you were going to take a shot at me within the first 20 minutes of this show. I knew you're sitting there as I was talking and you do this a lot. Over the years, Tommy will be deep into his phone. I mean, let me try to describe it. Tommy doesn't just look at his phone. He takes his phone and he puts it right into his face. And I guess it's because your vision isn't very good with the font size or whatever, but you have your phone right in your face, right up against your eyes, which, by the way, when you're doing

a show with somebody, can be distracting, but it's not for me because I've gotten used to it over the years. And you were doing that as I was talking. I'm like, what is he looking for? And then you came back with the whole Haskins and Haskins thing. You couldn't remember Haskins and Haskins. Anyway, I don't... I tell you, we all should remember Haskins and Haskins, because that's going to be a hot company. Well, I wouldn't be buying the stock in Haskins and Haskins. I was just posing the question. You were just pontificating on a scenario. I was, no, let's just say it had been another bad franchise.

Who are the worst franchises in the NFL after the Redskins? The Raiders are still not a very good franchise, right? The Jets aren't a very good franchise. The Browns, I guess, have turned it around, but I wouldn't call them a great franchise with great ownership. So if, you know, if one of these other bad franchises had gotten, you know, had been down in the dumps for a while and they drafted a quarterback that I completely believed in, I would say they got a shot now to overcome all of the dysfunction. And that's all I'm saying about the

Redskins is if this guy is right and he's the real deal, I don't personally think he will be. That's my guess. But if he were to turn out to be top five elite, the next Philip Rivers, the next Tom Brady, the next Peyton Manning, he would elevate this franchise. Is there anything that could happen tonight that would change your opinion one way or the other? No, nothing. Okay, good. Yeah. No, no, no.

I mean, again, you know my feeling about preseason. Yeah. I mean, it's more of an illusion than professional wrestling, preseason football. Oh, it's the worst. I mean, you can't make judgments on any results because the results are all skewed by what the coaches are calling, what they're trying to accomplish, who's in the game at that particular moment, who they're facing at. at that particular moment. These are like scrimmages. These are like dual practices.

You know, so I mean, this is what, hopefully, I think this is that maybe the last year you're going to have four preseason games. I hope you're right. I was saying on the radio show earlier today, if you didn't know, I'm back on radio. I'm back on 987 to 10 weekdays, Monday through Friday.

I think it's the most dreadful product in professional sports, the NFL preseason. It is. It's impossible to watch. I don't enjoy watching it. Last year, you know, when I wasn't working in radio and the podcast had not launched yet, I don't think I watched more than a quarter or maybe a half of the Redskins preseason games. And the reason is you hit on most of it. Very vanilla. Teams don't game plan. But the bigger issue is that the players that are going to play the majority of the time when the regular season begins don't play nearly at all during the preseason. So you're not, whatever you're looking at, it's a complete head fake. It doesn't mean anything. Name me the last time in October. You know, the skins are playing the lions or whoever they play in October.

Man, you know, John Allen, he's not having a good game. He had a great start to the season back in August. No one ever says that. The only reason you ever refer to the preseason is if there was a serious injury. It's the only reason you refer to it. The one thing I think can be instructive in the preseason. season is listening to the coaches and listening to their press conferences, like, especially if you have a guy like Jay who can be very direct, very honest, and be easy to read.

Like, they're learning something from the preseason. We're not. Right. We're not. And it's an impossible product to watch. With that said, tonight is going to be, for me, the first preseason game since maybe 2012 that I'm actually interested, if not borderline, excited to watch because of the quarterback. I want to see Haskins. I wanted to see RG3. This is the reason to watch your team

in preseason, is if you've got a highly drafted quarterback. Last year, Alex Smith didn't even play in the first preseason game, but I was interested in seeing Alex Smith when he finally played, and I think that may have been the two quarters that I watched. Because he only played, two quarters in the preseason last year. He threw 14 total passes in the preseason last year. Actually, who knew that was the shape of things to come in a regular season? I've got, I've got, you know, you get a lot of column ideas from the show that we do. You know how many passes Brady threw last year in the preseason? How many? 44. He threw 44 and our guy threw 14. Jay has not learned that this dialing or, you know, building slowly in the

preseason with your starting offense that has not paid off in an opener. Last year, they opened with Arizona. A terrible team. That's the only time he's won an opener and looked halfway decent. And yet most of the really good teams, they've got their quarterbacks throwing a lot during the preseason. He might want to just review some other best practices around the NFL. Well, they're not even playing their first team quarterback tonight. They're not. No, Cole McCoy. I know they're not. Are you with me, though, that maybe like, night because of Haskins is a reason to watch. I mean, if there's any reason to watch, it's because of

Haskins. I think a lot of Redskins fans are really excited about this quarterback and have drank enough Kool-Aid that they don't care about the stuff around the quarterback. And in a way, they're kind of like you, except on steroids, that they think this guy will leave the Redskins. Well, I don't think he will. No, I know that. I said, you think if there's any chance the Redskins enter a new era. It's based on the success of this guy. What percentage of the fans do you think are really into the Dwayne Haskins night tonight? Okay, the fan base that still exists? Yes. I'd say 75%. Really? Yeah. Of the people that are really still into the team? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, I think that's right. What about the people that have checked out in the last couple of years and just barely check in during the regular season until the season's over? I'm going to say it's probably a close to 35%. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah, I think like a lot of, several of my friends who really, you know, have checked out. I mean, they gave away, you know, they didn't renew season tickets over the last five, six years when the opportunity came up to do it, you know, for the first time, you know, in their lives, they don't watch as much anymore. They're part of that fan base that has really gone away. And I don't think the drafting of Dwayne Haskins has most of them back. I think that when the regular season starts, and when he starts a game, they will tune in to pay attention

to see what he has, but they're far from, you know, a buy-in at this point. The irony is, and this shows you how bizarre to Redskins quarterback situation is, the quarterback of the three who would drive the fans away the most if he were to open the season is Colt McCoy. Yeah, no doubt. You know? No doubt. I mean, that would turn the fan. base off the most. Whatever's left of it. Yes. I agree with that, but I also now believe, I had Cooley on the podcast yesterday,

and I had forgotten that he told me when the Keenham trade was made, whenever that was January or February, he said that day on the podcast, he goes, you know Colt McCoy is going to be the number one quarterback entering camp. And I'm like, well, they just traded for Keenum, and they may trade for Rosen or draft somebody. He goes, listen to me. Colt McCoy is going to be the number one quarterback in camp, and he will probably start the season in 2019.

There's nobody else that's going to make Jay as comfortable in that window of OTA's mini-camp, training camp, like Colt has. In fact, he said, you know, there's reports that Colt's, you know, being held out for precautionary reasons. Cooley essentially said he's being held out because Jay doesn't need to see him. He needs to see Keenham and Haskins. and really he needs to see Keenham to determine whether or not Keenum is a legitimate threat to compete with Colt. He knows what Colt can do for him.

He's comfortable with that, and Colt has the lead in this competition. He does, and this is exciting for you. I mean, I'm excited for you if Colt starts the season. Well, again, you know, he's not my quarterback. Well, he sort of is. But he isn't. I mean, again, I thought he was good because Jake Gruy. He didn't thought he was good.

And you think what of Jay Gruden as a coach? I think he's a smart offensive coordinator who's over his head as a head coach. Right. Okay. We're not going to see Colt tonight. We'll see Case. I think I said this yesterday, but I want to say it to you. I think if Case takes a series or two and comes out, that's an indication that Jay's

comfortable with Case. If he plays a whole quarter, four, five series, something like that in the first half, then I think he's really trying to find out whether or not Keenham can be a legitimate competitor to Colt. As far as Haskins goes, I think he already, Shanahan told me after the draft, he said, I asked him, when will Jay know whether or not Haskins is ready to play at the beginning of the season? He said a week into training camp. So I think Gruden already knows that Haskins is not going to start in Philadelphia. Yeah.

That it's a Keenham Colt thing. Well, at least according to Jay. Right. But you've got to get this guy a lot of reps. Okay, but what happens if the Trent Williams scenario rears its head tonight so, so obviously bad that everybody who's behind the center, whether it's Keenham or Haskins. It's a bum rush by Miles Garrett. It's under attack. Yeah.

I mean, what happens if the normal football fan can sit a home and say, oh, my God, no one's going to play quarterback for us this year because no one's going to be able to stand back there? I mean, do you think that would be a dramatic development if it's so obvious that whoever is behind center is right for a train wreck? I think tonight could really make Dan and Bruce and Jay potentially sit up and say, we got to figure this thing out somehow, because if Miles Garrett, who is truly one of the monster pass rushers in this league, if he's destroying Donald Penn or Geron Christian or Eric Flowers, and God forbid, anybody from Cleveland hits Dwayne Haskins flush because they didn't protect off the left side well enough, Yeah, but the problem is we still don't know whether this is about money or about something else. J.P. Finley had the report this morning that sources close to Trent Williams said this is not about money and he's not coming back.

Charlie Casserly was on the radio show with me yesterday. He said this is totally about money. And Charlie, who is not one predisposed to back the organization, said he totally understand. where the organization's coming from. We went through this with Sean Gilbert. I understand that. I mean, this is a personal thing for trial. He made the point, too.

He said the deal that Trent signed was the number one deal when he signed it. He's the one that chose a longer term deal and a front-loaded deal. And he knew that these final two years would be years in which he wouldn't be the highest paid tackle anymore in terms of average annual salary. Go back and read some of the quotes from the Sean Gilbert coverage from Trump. Tell me. I mean, I vaguely remember. I don't remember them off the top of my head. Well, Sean Gilbert said God was going to tell him what to do, right?

Yeah, and baseball trolley dug in his heels. Yeah. You know, and he sat out the whole year. So I think that, you know, Charlie may be right. I'm just saying that he has some personal history with a player holding out for, you know, like for the season. Now, it could go the other way. What happens if whoever plays quarterback tonight is comfortable back there? I mean, could that, would that be any kind of sign saying, oh, well, you know, maybe we could get by?

I don't know. I think the problem with these preseason games is nothing gets schemed up more for a regular season game against the defensive opponent than pass pro. You know, that's scheme related. You're right. Now, you could certainly see a situation where Miles Garrett, who is a top five, you know, potential pass rusher in this league, blows by Donald Penn or Geron Christian, and they don't have a chance in your life. like, oh, Jesus. Yeah, it could go beyond scheme. No, no scheme's going to help them. No, it could just just be a power rush. You know, there's always, you know, his side, their side, and the truth, after all of these weeks of hearing all these different reports, which all of them conflict with each other, I just think that Trent doesn't want to play here anymore. I definitely believe that

he is among a lot of players and agents in this league. They do not trust Bruce Allen. And he doesn't want to spend the last few years, call it three, four, five years of his career, continuing to play for a franchise that doesn't have a chance to contend. I think he wants a bigger deal, one more big deal. And I just think he wants out and wants to be traded to a place where you can get another deal and play for somebody that has a chance. Well, if he wants out, the way to do it is to declare that you don't trust the organization because of their medical staff. I mean, I don't see how you come back from that. I know you've said this before.

I mean, I think the problem is that a lot of other people out there dispute that and say that this may be a one-off aberration. Again, the training staff won the award for the best training staff in the NFL. I don't think people in the locker room do. Remember Morgan Moses's reaction? You're right. When he heard about what Trent Williams said, he said it's about time somebody spoke up. I don't think that's the thought in the locker room.

You know what? Maybe this will end up being much bigger than what, we think in Trent's just the first player of four or five that say I want out because of the medical group. But I don't know. The Trent Williams thing, I've come to the conclusion I did before all of this. I just want them to start taking offers and wait for the best one. And they may have to wait that out. They may have to wait a month. They may have to wait until the regular season, like into the regular season. But somebody's going to get desperate and say Trent Williams is the answer to this injury we just had.

And he makes us better. And they're going to give up something that the Redskins will be able to accept. I think they've gotten to the point where it's going to be tough. Unless Dan can go down there and say, let's work this thing out. Tell me what you want. Tell me what's wrong. Let's work this thing out. We want you to play.

We're not budging. We're not going to trade you. We're going to wait for you to come in. And if you don't come in, we're not going to pay you. But let's work this thing out. You've been good to us, and we've been good to you. You know, it is a franchise that we're, awarded him after he was suspended twice.

Oh, I know. You know, including during the stretch of a playoff drive in 2016. So there is some loyalty that the organization is shown to him. I agree. There has been. What happens tonight? And look, I'm asking you, but you don't really know. But I'm going to ask you anyway, because if I based it on that, I wouldn't have anything to ask you.

You know? Yeah, I guess. I mean, you've got a new coach in Cleveland, Freddie Kitchen. you've got a town that's a buzz about their football team. How much of a factor would it be for them to feel the need to make a statement even in their first home preseason game? No, I don't think that they need to make any statement in a preseason game. If you're thinking that way as a head coach, I mean...

But you're a brand new head coach. And you've got a town that... When's the last time? any franchise got truly alarmed about preseason results other than teams who lost a bunch of players to injury? I don't know. When's the last time a coach got fired in the preseason? George Allen got fired.

Remember when he was the head coach of the Rams? His second time. Yeah. Wasn't that during the preseason? Yes, it was. Yeah. But I'm just saying that's another, I don't think, I mean, normal people would not react that way.

but, you know, I mean, you've got a brand new coach in a city that is hyped up about their football team. And I think at least maybe for a quarter, they're going to want to see a show. Well, I mean, when Joe came back in 2004, I remember this town was as excited as it had been in a long time for the football team. And his first preseason game was in the Hall of Fame game in Canton against Denver. Was it at the Colt Brennan game? No, the Colt running game was against the Colts. Okay. In the Hall of Fame game.

It wasn't a Hall of Fame game. Yes, it was. I'm getting confused. That was under Zorn. That was under Zorn. Yeah. Yeah, it was under Zorn. I think it was under Zorn.

Yeah. But in the very first quarter, they lost John Jansen. Remember? One of their key players was hurt and out for the year on like the first series. But I remember being super pumped up for that. But the Cleveland, it's not apples to apples. The Cleveland. situation is that they do have some talent. They've got, you know, and they may have the quarterback

that can overcome a bad franchise, and we started to see signs of it last year. They also, with all of those picks in rebooting the franchise, which is what I would have done if I were the Redskins this past season, they acquired a lot of young talent, including guys like Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward, and then in the trade for OBJ, they also got Olivier Vernon. They're two pass rushers, Garrett and Vernon are scary as a tandem. But the question mark is the coach. Yeah. The question.

But again, what they have is a general manager. And the Redskins don't. John Dorsey. Yeah. The Redskins don't have one. The Browns have a layer. You've got a terrible owner and Haslam. But they have now a pretty strong layer between the owner and the team in John

Dorsey, something that the Redskins have never had. Everyone thought, myself included, that Bruce Allen would be that. layer and he just turned out to be a toll booth. Yeah, it's true. Did you see what Freddie Kitchen said this week about leaks in the building? Yeah, that's not going to work. You can't do it. In other words, anytime an anonymous quote hits the paper, what are you going to do in

investigation? Yeah, I mean, how are they going to find out? But if they do find out that a leak came from the building, he said they're fired. Immediately. That's the way we're running this organization. John Dorsey can take it. I can take it. We won't crack, I promise you.

Cleveland's going to be an interesting team. They're the co-favorite to win the AFC North with the Steelers. Co-favorant to win the division. I know. They just made a nice move, too. They got presumably a third-round pick for Duke Johnson. Who's going to the Texans. Say again?

The Browns traded Duke Johnson to the Texans for a fourth round, and if he plays 10 games, it's the third round pick. Okay. Okay. So this is really interesting. First of all, they have Nick Chubb and they have Kareem Hunt. So that makes Duke Johnson expendable for the Browns. Right? Do they have somebody else in there, too? They have a couple other guys, but those are the two main guys. Yeah. So you've got Duke Johnson, who by the way I've liked as a running back in the NFL, I think he's pretty good. But the fact that Cleveland got a potential third rounder for Duke Johnson, I'm telling you right now that Trent Williams would bring back a first. I had Thaisman on the radio show today, and he said, what do you think they're going to get back for him? I said, well, I think in a normal situation, it would be like a second and something else, but it won't be normal. They got to wait for the team that's desperate, and a desperate team may give up a first, and Joe said I was delusional. Well, Duke Johnson, getting a third round pick, a running back, you're going to tell me a left tackle, one of the most important positions in the NFL.

if a team that thinks they can contend this year, Bakhtiari, the left tackle in Green Bay, and he goes down tonight. Do the Packers play tonight? Whatever, this weekend. You're going to tell me that the Packers would put Aaron Rogers in this season in jeopardy rather than giving up what they would perceive to be

maybe a late first rounder for Trent Williams? I'm telling you. I think they could get a lot more than most people think for Trent Williams. I agree with you. Let me let's stick to Trent Williams one more. more thing because another layer just popped in my head. You've read, have you read the stories about how financially hurting Adrian Peterson is?

I have. Okay, he's in trouble. You know what? Can I just, I just want to say something. I had Clinton on the show today, and I had written down to ask him about Adrian Peterson's situation, because Clinton went through a lot of this.

Yes, he did. But we just sort of ran out of time. I really wanted to know if he's talked to Adrian Peterson about this, because I think they know each other pretty well. But go ahead. Okay, so you have Adrian Peterson, who needs to play and probably has a contract that has some incentives based on how he performs during the season in terms of... He does.

Okay. So his good buddy, his close pal is sitting back in Houston. Basically the plow that's going to pave the way for Adrian Peterson to get paid is sitting at home in Houston. Trent Williams. And if he is not going to play, what will, and we just talked about protecting the quarterback so far at this point.

What about the running game? What about the running game without Trent Williams? What about Adrian Peterson? Everything suffers without Trent Williams. But remember, you know, everything's going to suffer without Trent Williams for 12 to 13 games a year. Because he's going to miss a couple of games

and there are going to be a few more that he's going to play that he shouldn't have played. And I'm getting credit for that. But he's not been the most reliable guy. And also, I don't think, this is something we've talked about before. I think you and I have talked about it. This fan base tends to get completely out of control when talking about various position groups on this team. And they've had this delusional thought that the Redskins have had this elite offensive line over the years.

You know, if healthy, Trent Williams, Brandon, Sheriff, Morgan Moses. The Redskins' offensive line has barely been a top 10 offensive line fully healthy. And one of the reasons is Trent Williams is not the best left tackle in the game. You could argue he's the top three, top five worst, worst case scenario, but it's not a great offensive line. It's a decent offensive line if it's healthy. And I was looking for, and I just found it. ESPN.com did this thing recently where they ranked all of the position groups,

one through 32, and the Redskins had, you know, assuming full health, the 15th best offensive line in the league. So without Trent Williams on that offensive line, Tommy, it becomes like the 25th best offensive line in the league. So yeah, they'll have problems without him. But again, I'm always... Because it's not that great, it's barely good with him, and it won't be very good without him. My issue is always with this team, more what happens off the field than on the field. And with Adrian Peterson, you can't separate the two. Because what happens on the field is going to affect Adrian Peterson off the field, obviously

if he's dealing with a financial crisis in his life, which could cause a lot of dissension in that locker room if you haven't. Because we've seen Adrian Peterson in places where he hasn't been happy. And he makes his feelings known. And if he's going into the regular season with the. offensive line with out Trent Williams, looking at his pocketbook and looking at watching moths fly out of it, he's going to speak up. This is just another level, another layer of dissension. Can you imagine if it starts off really poorly and they can't run the ball and

AP's watching all that incentive stuff to help them get out of debt, you know, basically, you know, flitter away. And he's unhappy with the organization because they didn't get handled Trent right. and now you got Adrian Peterson, who was, for my money, the best player on the team last year. The MVP. You know, so now all of a sudden, your two best players from a year ago can't stand you. What does that say for you? It's a possibility. I feel sorry.

I mean, I don't know if I should feel sorry for Adrian Peterson because I don't know the details, but more times than not, would you agree with me that these athletes get taken advantage of? Yes, they do. Yes, they do. But I don't know how many times, how many generations, have to go through this before they learn or let look I can't speak to it because I've never been 22 years old and handed a million dollars yeah I would have I wouldn't have lived to be 23 if if I if I handed 22 a million dollars at 22 but I mean specifically Adrian Peterson you

read about the birthday party he threw for himself once I mean it was it was the post the post wrote a big story about it it was it was so it was it was beyond the president's self-indulgence. How's that? It would have embarrassed Donald Trump. That's how self-indulgent was. I vaguely remember the story. Do you remember it, Aaron, and all the Adrian Peterson birthday party?

I don't think I read that story. Go ahead and Google it. I will. But do you think he comes off as self-absorbed publicly? No. No, I think he comes across as a decent guy publicly who just happens to beat his kid. That's all. Well, he did, yeah.

He did. Yeah. And, you know, there are certain. things about that culture in where he grew up that it wasn't necessarily unusual. I know that. But if we're going to go down the culture road, there's some cultures in the world where it's okay to cut off somebody's hands for shoplifting. I understand that. That's just their culture. Singapore. I don't get caught shoplifting in Singapore. No. All right. You ever been to Singapore? I haven't. Neither have I. I haven't. You have any desire to go to the Far East at all? I do. Do you really?

Yeah, and I haven't been. It's really the one area of the world that I haven't. I've not been to Asia. I have a lot of desire. I would love to go to Japan. I'd like to go to China. You haven't been over there. I've been to Japan.

You have? I was in Japan for the 98 Olympics. Not a fan. No. No. Really? Yeah, not a fan of the culture. I've got a friend that is there a lot on business, and he loves it.

Loves it. But whatever. I mean, you know, it's rare when you like. any place other than you know around here or like the poca noes by the jersey shore by the way i just went to what you do like italy i just like italy i just went to bumpstock this past weekend yeah you didn't tell me you were going to bump stock i didn't talk about it because it's not really worth talking about it anymore can you can you is it a good group still do you have a lot of fun it's still a great group time do you go to bed well here's there's a thing

We're sitting around one time, the Saturday night at 9 o'clock, and now we're telling past Bumstock stories. We've gotten past the high school stories. Now we're telling past Bumstock stories, and we're telling a story about what happened in the early days of Bumstock. And I pointed out to everybody, it's 9 o'clock at night. I said the thing that we're talking about, that happened five hours from now. Exactly. You know what we're going to be five hours from now? That happened.

Yeah. You know, it's not. o'clock, that happened at about 2 or 3 a.m. Yes. But God, what a night that was. Yes, it was. It was a lot of that. Yeah. So that's all. It was fun, but it's not the same. But then neither am I. What about Wyoming? I haven't been to

Wyoming in a long time. I may go back now that I have good knees. I mean, it got to the point where it was kind of painful for me to go because of my bad knees. I haven't been there for quite a while, but I may make a return this November. All right, let me get this Stamps.com information in. And then we'll talk

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click on the microphone at the top of the homepage, and type in Kevin D.C, that's K-E-V-I-N-D-C, that's Stamps.com enter Kevin, D.C. So I was thinking about one more thought, Tommy, on this preseason game and the preseason overall. I was thinking about a lot of what's coming out of camp from Jay and coaches and players and media people who are down there about players that really need to have a good next two or three weeks. And that's in camp and in some of these games. And the number one guy by far is Josh Doxon. Because if you believe everybody that this Terry McLaurin, and who knows, we've had the,

you know, the preseason, how many times have we said, oh my God, that guy. Was it Marco Mitchell? Marco Mitchell, Marcus Mason. Colt Brennan, you know, going... The preseason heroes. Right, the preseason heroes. You know, Babe Lofenberg, way back in the day. But if the receivers, the young receivers that they drafted,

Terry McLaurin and Calvin Harmon in particular, and they really like apparently Sims as well, if they turn out to be guys that Jay thinks we can't keep off the field, Josh Doxon's done. Yes. And he should be done that. Yes. But I made this point earlier.

Like if we get to the point where Josh Doxon gets cut, it's his fault. You know, he has so much talent. You liked him coming out of college. When they were on the clock, remember, were we doing the show or was it Doc and I? No, we were doing the show. And I said that particular night, that draft night, I'm like, you know what, Josh Doxon is there? I'd pick him because I loved him.

I mean, I was, you know, my son was at TCU. Right. And I thought he had tremendous talent, which I still think he has tremendous talent. But God, I don't know that in recent memory, as far as this team goes, there's ever been a guy that has immense talent that seems to want it so little. Like he just, there's no urgency, there's no passion. Wasn't that the whispers behind the scenes, like, early in his career? Yeah. That he didn't really like football.

It was that. But also early, that first year was that he was a true homebody and hated. not being at home. You know, he's 22 years old, whatever. But I think that if this Terry McLaurin, who everybody's raving about, and by the way, he was a hell of a, you know, he was a big time favorite of Urban Meyer, like a quality, hardworking, does everything, receiver and special teams guy. So if he's really good, we know that they're going with Paul Richardson because he was a Jay guy, you know, and he got hurt last year, but Jay really likes Richardson. Quinn is the slot receiver for now. You know, Doxon could be in trouble.

I would not be surprised if Doxon doesn't step up in a major way and really make them change their mind maybe. He may have to change their mind, or somebody may have to get hurt for him to make this team. I think we're going to be watching the last couple of games of Josh Doxon in a Redskins uniform. I think more likely than not. Bigger busts than Michael Westbrook then, right?

Oh, much bigger. Yeah. At least Michael Westbrook had a thousand-yard season, I think. Oh, yeah. No, Westbrook was a bust based on where he was picked. He had some games in a couple of seasons where he was probably their best receiver. Josh Doxon will be one of the all-time first-round busts for the Redskins, right up there with the Penn State offensive linemen that they took at number 30 overall.

You know, some of the, oh, God, Tom Carter. Tom Carter. You know, who's the defensive linemen in the 90s that they picked in the first round? Some of these picks are Charlie's picks. And I love Charlie more than any of you. Bobby Wilson wasn't a bust. Bobby Wilson. That wasn't a bust. Canard Lang.

Conard Lang was a bit of a bust. Yeah, Bobby Wilson just had a disc in his neck. That's true. Because when he played, he was a beast. Conard Lang was more of a first-round bust. Heath Shuler, an all-time first-round bust, clearly. And Desmond Howard, an all-time first-round bust. Who became a Super Bowl MVP.

Yeah, as a kick-returner. Yeah. I mean, that's still one of my, all-to-Andre Johnson was the offensive lineman from Penn State that I was trying to think of. One of my favorite stories is the Jeff Bostic quote from Desmond Howard's first day at practice after holding out. Holding out. That was a 90s to holdout where he held out. Rippin held out. I think Daryl Green held out too.

I don't remember the Daryl Green part. I certainly remember the Rippin part. Someone asked Jeff Bostic after Desmond Howard's first practice. How did he look? And Jeff said he can't play. What's wrong? Was he hurt? What happened? No, no, he can't play at this level right now. He can't get off the line of scrimmage. And that's the first thing football people look at for a wide receiver. Because in college, they're not playing press man. You know, it's a wider field with the hashes, more space. And at the NFL level, they know almost immediately whether or not that receiver is legit or not because it's about getting off the line of scrimmage against an NFL corner. And Desmond Howard couldn't do it. day one and never could do it.

No. But was a hell of a kick returner for the Packers. Anyway, Heath Schuller may be the all-time bust. I think he is. He's got to be the all-time draft bust. I'm just looking through to refresh my memory of all of the first rounders. Certainly in this era, that would be number three overall, supposedly Norves guy, going to be the franchise quarterback,

and it became very apparent almost immediately that their seventh round pick, Gus Ferrat, was better. Beaten out by his seventh round pick from Tulsa. Yeah, from Tulsa. But you can't put Andre Johnson in that class because he was 30 overall. Patrick Ramsey was 32 overall.

Yeah, I mean, Loran Landry really, he was okay. He flexed this way out of the league. Yeah, he did, man. He was cut, that's for sure. All right. A couple of other things to get to. So did you see the Antonio Brown story? About his feet?

About the frostbite. Yeah. Is that unbelievable? It really is. What a dope. Have you watched Hard Knocks yet? I have not watched Hard Knocks yet. I've heard very lukewarm reviews about it.

Well, he's insufferable, and he was a big part of it. I finally got to it, or I got to, to part of it. Man, I want that to blow up in the Raiders face. And I think it's going to. I think it will too. It reminds me of there was this player for the Orioles, back when the Orioles were treading water in early 2000s,

called Marty Cordova. He used to play for the Twins, and he played for the Orioles. And he was in love with himself. He was a good-looking guy. And he valued the suntan. and one time he had he had to be scratched from a game because of sunburn he got from a tanning bed from a tanning bed oh god so he couldn't play because he he got sunburned those things are so unhealthy too from a tanning bed oh my god yeah now it's funny i ran into him years later he was an

m mma guy and he recognized me up in philly at a mixed martial arts fight he was very nice to talk to But all I could just think of was this is the guy who wound up getting sunburned and couldn't play. So that's the frostbite kind of reminds me of that. You know, cryotherapy, by the way, apparently is good for a lot of things, including something that I've sort of suffered from for the last year, which is migraines. Apparently it's very good for people who have had migraine headaches. and when I started getting these, I went to see somebody there like, you know, why don't you ice yourself a lot? I'm like, can you get in an ice tub?

Can you? And I'm like, no, I don't have an ice tub. I do have a lot of ice packs around the house. You don't have a cryogenic chamber in your house? I think I'd love to try that once. Apparently, it's very good for you. Apparently the redskins have them coming out of their ears. Yeah, I mean, apparently it's one of those things.

I mean, it's an inflammation reducer. You know, anything's super cold. is. But anyway, the other thing was, did you see what Kevin Durant said? He took the Warriors completely off the hook. Yeah, he did. I actually... People were expecting, and now I don't see how you could, people were expecting a lawsuit to come out of us. You know, for as much as we've knocked Durant's sensitivity and social media, you know, hyper-sensitivity, this, I give him a lot of credit. First of all, let's not forget the night that this injury happened. Bob Myers, the general manager of the Warriors, was crying in the post-game press

conference. And you and I both came in here, I think the next day, and said, have you ever seen somebody look so guilty? Like Steve Kerr, just explaining, over-explaining, like, oh, my God, they pushed him back too quickly. They're going to pay for this. And yet, Durant came out and told Yahoo Sports yesterday, how can you blame the Warriors? Hell no. I heard the Warriors' press me into getting back, nobody never said a word to me during rehab as I was coming back. It was only me and the trainer working out every day. Right when the series started, I targeted game five. Hell, nah, it just happened. It's basketball. Shit happens. Nobody was responsible for it. It was just the game. We just need to move on from that shit because I'm going to be back playing.

Okay, never mind. Yeah. I'm glad he did that because, first of, of all, if this were true and he didn't do that, that would be a professional misstep on his part, because people would know about it and they wouldn't trust him, because he'd essentially be sabotaging or submarining a franchise without dishonestly. If this is actually how it happened, it's good that he took the team off the hook, then the team trying to take themselves up. No, it is. No, it is. It's a step up for him. but it takes one of the storylines away from the NBA offseason. Well, he's not playing next year.

And if he does, it'll be super late in the year. Last thing is the Nationals. I mean, what a series in San Francisco. They're getting pitching from God. Fetti and Ross. Joe Ross hasn't been scored upon in his last two starts. I think it's 11 innings. He's not given up a run.

You know, remember, I think, it was with you. It could have been with Zuckerman, but there was a start that Ross had a couple of weeks ago where ultimately the numbers look terrible, but I said to Zuckerman, it was Mark. I'm like, he actually really pitched well. Like if you watch the game, which I did, he was really battling and pitching pretty well, and then a couple of bad things happened and the floodgates opened. And Mark said, you know what? You're right. Like, I talked to some people and they thought Joe actually had some really good stuff that day. So it may have been sort of the precursor, of what was to come. He's better as a starter, Tommy, than coming out of the bullpen.

Oh, yeah, he is. I mean, but look, in the old days, in the old days, and I don't think this was a bad practice, young starting pitching would work their way from the bullpen to the starting rotation. It was the way to get your feet wet in the major leagues to learn about batters, to learn about umpires, to learn about being a major leaguer, and then you would move on to to the starting rotation. Well, nobody does that anymore. You're right. Joe Ross is better as a starter. And if he's the, if he winds up being the starter that they, they thought he was now that he's recovering from Tommy John surgery a while ago when they got him in the Trey Turner deal, that is really found money at this point. Because they don't have anything in their high,

on their high minor league system in terms of pitching depth. They have nothing. And I might want to point out that I was right about Annabelle Sanchez. Yes, you were. When I came back from spring training. He is, this is the guy who I saw in spring training. I mean, he may not be able to give you seven innings, but for six innings, it's great the other that night. He's got 15 pitches in his repertoire. Wow. I mean, he's, he's just like Levo, except a better version at this point. Yeah, Lebo is crafty. Yeah. Well, he's a lot like that.

He's a very smart guy. He knows how to change rotation. He knows how to change speeds. And he is right now the most important pitcher on the staff. None of this matters if Max Scherzer's gone. Well, you know, you say that, and it's baseball, and the teams that are contending for the wild card, they certainly aren't of the quality of the teams contending for the wild card. card in the American League. Those teams are just better teams than the National League teams. So

it wouldn't shock me if Scher's really compromised and misses a lot more time, I think they could still get a wild card with what they have. I just don't think. You know what Kirchon told me yesterday? He said the Nats pose the biggest threat to the Dodgers if they get into the postseason because of their starting rotation. And then he said, the other team that would pose a threat to the Dodgers if they got into the postseason, the Mets because of their starting rotation. Yeah. And the Mets come to Nats Park this weekend? No, no, no. Nats go to the Mets.

Nets go to the Mets. Yeah. I'm sorry. That's right. It's on the road. And they're skipping Fetty start because it's a normal return for Sanchez. So the Nats will throw Strasbourg, Corbyn, and Sanchez this weekend against Strowman, who the Mets just acquired, Sindegard and DeGrom.

This is a huge series. The Mets have won 13 of 14 games. games. Now, I was looking at their win streak here or their run here, bad teams that they've faced during this run. This is your former favorite team, the Mets. They beat the Padres, the Pirates, the White Sox, two more from the Pirates, and then four straight from the Marlins. Now the Mets have to face the Nats and the Braves in the next six. Then they go to Kansas City. Then they get Cleveland, Atlanta, the Cubs, the Phillies, the Nats, the Phillies, the D-Backs, the Dodgers. Their schedule gets brutal.

But they have very good starting pitching. And, you know, they've got that rookie Alonzo who's really, you know, developed into a hell of a player. Yeah, absolutely. No, look, the Nats didn't need another contender to have to deal with. They were particularly happy with the Mets dead and buried. but they're not dead and buried and they're all big series at this point. The key guy is the guy

is Annabelle Sanchez. Of the three pictures you just mentioned, he's your weakest link, arguably. You know, so if he delivers, if your weakest link is delivering like Sanchez has, they might be able to tread water, but I don't see, I don't know if they can compete for a wild card

without Max Scherzer for any length of time. Yeah. I think they will. I think without Scherzer, they could still compete for the wild card. Their starting pitching is still decent and offensively, I mean, they've got guys, they've got Rendon, they've got Soto, they've got Roblese, they've got Trey Turner, you know, hitting well. I love Suzuki. To me, he's one of their clutch performers. Yes, yes, he is. So I could still see them snagging one of the two wild cards. You just wouldn't, it's baseball. Anything can happen in a best of five, and then a best of seven after that.

But they would be a massive underdog, obviously, as a wild card winner against the Dodgers without Scherzer. Yeah. But if you got into that series against the Dodgers, well, first of all. You got to win the wild card game. Yeah, so you'd probably time it so you have Scher. What if you don't have Scherzer? Then you got to have Strasberg pitch that game.

Yeah, so then you're in trouble against the Dodgers. Yeah. Because you won't get Strasburt back until game four, you know, maybe game three at the earliest, depending on the schedule. Yeah. Then you're talking about Austin Voth. pitching in a postseason game. No, you'd have Sanchez, Corby, and then, you know, either Ross or Fetty.

Okay. If you didn't have Scherzer, you wouldn't have to go to both. You know, I don't feel good about Eric Fetty. I'd rather have Austin votes. He was really good the other day. I know that. I'd rather, you know what, there's something about Joe Ross that I've always liked. I hope it works out for him.

I think sometimes, I think he's got a lot of stuff. I think he's very confident. I would not feel terrible about him having to take three, four, five starts down the stretch here. I don't think I would feel that badly about it. I don't know what it is about him. I like him. I'm rooting for him. And he pitched great yesterday and he pitched phenomenally well

in his last start two against it was Arizona, right? Yeah. It was that last start. And the bowpen, the bullpen edition so far, one guy's on the injured list, but it's helped. The bowpen is deeper and it's helped them. Yes, it has.

All right, you got anything else for me? I'm just excited to watch the new era of Redskins football tonight, baby. I was excited to watch some golf this weekend because I was hoping Tiger Woods would be in contention, but three over par. Kevin. And second to last right now in the first round. What?

Again, like I've told you before, and I told Scott, I mean, you had your moment. It's, it's, I mean, why be greedy? He came back and won the Masters. Yeah, he did. You were wrong about that. Yes, I was. wrong about that, so I don't understand why people think they're going to get the old tiger back. I thought after Augusta this year, I thought we were going to see the old tiger back.

He's not well, apparently. All right, that's it. Enjoy the game tonight. I'll be back tomorrow for a brief recap of the game. Catch me in the morning on 980, 7 to 10. A lot of people will be on the show be joining us as well. If you're listening on iTunes, rate us. review us that helps subscribe as well. It doesn't cost you anything. And Tommy, you will be doing what this weekend. I'll be back on 1067 a fan with my vacation over Saturday and Sunday morning. Awesome. Thanks to Aaron. Thanks to all of you. Have a great day. Enjoy the game tonight.