The Kevin Sheehan Show - What Will Bruce Allen Say Today?

Episode Date: January 22, 2019

Bruce Allen is scheduled to speak later today in Mobile. Thom encourages on-site reporters to be prepared and then he and Kevin make predictions on what Bruce will say. Alex Smith was at the Wizards game with a contraption on his leg. A former NFL team doctor wrote about his likely prognosis. Thom weighs in on the NFL Playoffs and Jason LaConfora's report on Dan Snyder's pursuit of Todd Bowles. Kevin recaps Maryland's loss at Michigan State. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Ah, yes, he's here. Tom's here. This show is presented by Window Nation. If you're in the market for Windows, call 86690 Nation or go to Window Nation.com and tell them we told you to call. Tommy, good morning to you. Good morning, Kevin. How are you? I'm doing okay. Kevin, Kevin came in here like he's a long-haul. truck driver today. I've been logging some miles. Yes, you have. I've been logging some miles. You've been pulling over at rest stops and sleeping and stuff like that? Yeah, somebody, somebody tweeted to me yesterday. Do you ever just get on Twitter and respond anybody? And no, the last few days, it's been very, very light because I've been in a car driving since Friday, essentially. You know, it's funny. I came in here to do the podcast yesterday, but I had, I have a son at Penn State,

as you know. And there was a death in the family. And that part of my family lives in New Jersey. So I had to go to Penn State on Friday after the show, pick him up, go to Jersey from there. That was seven hours, seven and a half hours in the car, then drive home from Jersey, and then had to bring him back to Penn State yesterday after the show and drive back. And that's basically six and a half hours in the car. No one feels sorry for me. I got in some good podcast listening and a lot of music. Into a lot of different things right now that just, you know, it was actually relaxing on some level. But it's a long drive. And it's not like you're driving a Toyota Corolla, buddy. Well, I don't know what that means. No, I don't know what that means. No, but a Corolla would be fine.

You're driving in relative comfort all that time. I mean, I'm driving in a vehicle that runs. Yeah, okay. It runs. And Tommy, and Tommy, I'll tell you what, in state college. Yesterday when I dropped my younger son off, it was seven above zero. The wind chill was 17 below. They got a lot of snow over the weekend.

So they had had, I don't know, 10, 12 inches. And a lot of the roads, the side roads were still snow covered. But I got out to fill up the tank with gas at a sheet on the way back. I haven't felt cold like that because it was so windy yesterday. I haven't felt cold like that. I got the gas, you know, hose into the, into the gas tank and then sprinted inside to that sheets to load up on coffee and a couple of hostess items, actually. Okay, all right.

Some comfort food. Yeah, why not if you got a couple of hostas cupcakes? Let me just point something out to you, buddy. The ones with the little, you know, icing ribbon in the middle. Yes. That's always good. Yeah, let me just point something out to you. Yep.

You were probably colder 20 years ago, but it's the best. didn't affect you as much. That may be true. I have noticed I get colder easier as I've gotten older but I you know me cold weather is never really bothered me and it never really bothered me till about eight or nine years ago. Okay so I have another 20 years to get to that point where it's your dreams. Anyway a lot of a lot of hours in the car. Listen you mentioned something about somebody complaining to you about not responding on Twitter. I don't. I don't respond a lot. I don't respond a lot.

I know you don't either. But when I do, sometimes I get caught up in it when somebody says something really stupid. But generally I don't. And I had a guy who desperately wanted me to respond to him on Twitter to the point where he went on Twitter and accused me of not having the guts to respond to somebody on Twitter. And I pointed out ironically, this came from a guy who had an anonymous Twitter name. Of course. You know? I mean, my name is out there.

My real name for everybody to see. And this guy is complaining I hide behind a microphone. Yet this guy has like some kind of fake name on social media. You get much more caught up in that stuff than you than I do. You really do. Over the years, I've noticed that you've responded to people with like two followers. And you've gotten into it with people like that. I don't know why you do that.

Well, I like to slap people around. I know you do. I know you do. Only the ones that deserve it. I actually, when I spend time, and it's, on Twitter, I don't know what your daily thing is. I don't look at my notifications every day. I don't look at my responses every day. Usually what happens is after a couple of days, I'll go through the first, you know,

hundred or so and respond to a couple. I actually like responding to the people that have said something very smart or something that I haven't thought of. And that happens a lot. So I appreciate. There's nothing that you haven't thought of. No, I appreciate that. I think we have, I think we had this on our radio show, and I think we have this on the podcast.

I think there are some dummies out there. We both know that. But I think we have a lot of people that really get into it and are smart. I think we do too. But I just, I just, once in a while, I'll get in the mood where I've seen it before. Where I'm like a cat with a mouse. Usually it's somebody that'll text to me and say, usually it's like somebody like Scott Lynn or somebody like that will say, God, go check out what Tommy's gotten into on Twitter.

I'm like, oh, God. We've got news today. Not breaking news. That's not really what the show's about. But the news that Bruce Allen is going to speak in Mobile later today. Jay Gruden as well. Later on today is when apparently Bruce Allen will address whatever media is down there. And you and I were just going through the list of people that are potential.

down there from the market. You know, this is, look, I don't care when he speaks. I think it's just time to hear from him somehow. But you know that he always looks for the opportunity to catch somebody off guard, show up on Radio Row at the Super Bowl, unexpectedly, sit down real quickly with Doc, you know, for 20 minutes, or then with, you know, his guy from the San Diego area, Dancilio, you know, a couple of safe, you know, landing spots. typically for him. And in this particular case,

it's Mobile. He's down there. He's not in the state. He's out of Virginia. Yeah, it's almost like for him, it's neutral ground, you know, on some level. And he doesn't have to face a room of reporters. Right. Which he's not comfortable doing anymore. He doesn't want to do that. No, he's not. And I would hope that we went through the media that we think are down there.

We believe J.P. Finley's there. Yep. I would assume Craig Hoffman from 106.7 fan is there. I doubt 980 you'll send anybody. We've never, in recent years, I mean, when the Redskins own 980, they basically wouldn't allow any money to be spent on covering their own team. I mean, it was like whatever we can do to prevent you from covering our team well, that's what we're going to do.

Yeah. Including putting our top level management on the other station, not yours. The one we own and the one who actually has the rights to the product. I would think that the Washington Post would be down there as well. And this is something that nobody sent. Nobody sent anyone to the senior bowl 10 or 12 years ago. Right. I mean, now, you know, but that's how the NFL has changed.

And whoever does talk to Bruce Allen, I hope they have a list of questions that they ask him that people want to know about from why didn't you feel the need to come forward publicly when you claimed Ruben Foster to, What was this whole scenario with inviting Todd Bowles and other people, the Redskins Park, to interview for a job that somebody already has? And a whole lot of questions in between that. Well, there are a whole lot of questions in between that.

You do this, and I do this too, when we have like the expectation that we might have a big interview, you sit down and you put all the questions together. I haven't done that yet because they'll never give me Bruce Allen to put on there. didn't give us Bruce Allen on the radio station. That's right. That's not true. They did, I think, three years ago, three or four years ago, and then that was it. We asked for him all the time. We asked for Eric Schaefer all the time.

We asked for the owner all the time. We were told multiple times we'd have the coach never, you know, never got the coach. But anyway, that's beside the point. I, you know, if we're going through the list, you know, you just hit on recent things, you know, like Ruben Foster, like Todd Bowles in the report about Todd Bowles, how do you reconcile, you know, this public description of being aggressive going after a new defensive coordinator with Greg Minusky? You know, how does that work? How does, you know, has Jay Gruden been involved in any of these interviews? Because we haven't heard that Jay Gruden's been involved in any of these

interviews. What made you think that bringing a coach back that was 35, 44, and one through five years? Why did you bring that coach back? Why do you think you're still there with your record? You spoke a year ago about everybody in the organization is accountable for their record. And you went through people who weren't even involved in the football operation. Why do you think you still have a job? All those are legitimate questions. All those, not just legitimate. legitimate questions. Questions that need to be asked. Then you get to the football side of it. Alex Smith. We need an update on Alex Smith.

Yeah. You know, and I think more likely than not, we're going to go through this Dr. Chowell's explanation of what they saw or what he saw Alex Smith wearing at the Wizards game yesterday. If you missed that, we'll explain it in more detail here coming up. But, you know, the answer I think on Alex Smith will be, we don't know at this point. That would be the right answer.

And that would probably, that's probably the fair answer. It probably is completely reasonable, and you can continue to answer every follow-up question that way. Yeah. We don't know yet. Yeah. We don't know. What are the doctors saying?

They're saying, we've got to give it time. The only thing that you would know about Alex Smith is whether or not there are future surgeries scheduled to that leg and the impact that that might have. But there's a, you know, there's so much. He's not going to answer personnel questions, like, are you in the market for a quarterback? Right. But then you've got to get into the season. What happened after losing your starting quarterback and Colt McCoy?

And he's going to give the same answer that Jay Gruden's given, which is really hard to advance to the postseason when you're down to your fourth quarterback. You know, a lot of those answers. But I haven't even thought of all of them. But the Rubin Foster would be, you know, there's follow-ups to that too. Like what compelled you to put Doug Williams out there? If Doug Williams wasn't involved in the actual decision, and he may say it was a team decision.

Right. It was a consensus decision, and Doug is our senior vice president of football operations. But, I mean, the point is, didn't you think, did you, did you expect the pushback? And if you did, why didn't you come out and speak about it? And then, of course,

you have to ask him about his reaction to the hashtag fire Bruce Allen movie. Yes. You absolutely have to ask that question. Are you aware of one of the most remarkable fan movements that any of us who have covered the team or been here and watched the team can ever remember. And it's called hashtag fire Bruce Allen. This fan base wants one thing apparently more than anything else. What's your reaction to it? What if he were to say I'm not familiar

with it? He'd probably say something. Give me some time. I'm not familiar with it. Give me some time the next time we talk in three years. You know, the people I talk to, they're not part of that movement. You know, all the fans I talk to in the parking lot and in the restaurants and in the bars at three in the morning when I'm stumbling out, they're not part of it. You know, this gets back to some of the suggestions we both made to, you know, from afar on how they should handle various things. And when you're in this sort of thing, I'm sure there's some PR experts out there that will say, take the offensive, you know. in this particular case when it's so obvious, you just come out and you say, I'm disappointed, Dan's disappointed, we haven't done a good enough job. We haven't. We have failed on the field and we're not doing very well off the field. Our only goal here is to try to build a winner. That's

why we signed Ruben Foster. We didn't handle it well in the moment. We apologize for that. But we think there's a chance he may play for us and he could be a really good player and he could help us win. You know, there's a lot of that stuff. I know. But he'd rather stick needles in his eyes and say that. Well, this gets down to, you know, the arrogance and the lack of self-awareness. Yes. The two of them seem to have in spades.

Yeah. But again, if you're down there in the media and you're not asking these questions, then you might as well turn in your credibility card. turn it in. You, I think, yeah, today is a day if you're covering the team as a beat reporter, you should have had this list of Bruce Allen questions and a list of Dan Snyder questions and a list of Jay Gruden questions. Now, Gruden speaks more often, but for Snyder and Bruce Allen, you should have had that

list created two months ago. Yeah. Just in the event that Tony Wiley, their PR head, calls up and says, Bruce is willing to do a sit-down one-on-one with you. But you've got to be ready to go in five minutes. Because that is also, would be potentially their style. Right now, he is going to speak in Mobile without any sort of heads up on this, is my guess. I could be wrong about that, but I just heard about it this morning.

So did I. So it's a quick, hey, small gathering, a couple of local guys. There might be a couple of national guys there as well. And Bruce is going to be available for 10 minutes. You know, and then what they can say from a public relations standpoint is we made them available in Mobile. Yeah. You know, it's too late. You guys had the opportunity.

So you've got to be ready for it. You're right about that. And this speaks to a bigger problem in covering the team, and which I write about for tomorrow in Washington Times. You know, we like to say when we raise the question, who would come to coach this team? The response is always, well, there's only 32 jobs like this in the United States. NFL. But that's not true. There's 31 jobs in the NFL and then there's the Redskins job. It's different from every other job. It's different from every other organization. There are bad coaching jobs, but there is no coaching job with the combination of incompetency and internal politics

that this job has. Would you put it on the level with what the Al Davis Raiders at times were in terms of, God, that you can't, I don't want to go work for Al Davis. Al Davis calls plays for crying out loud. He tells me who to play and who not to play. As bad as Al Davis was. I know he was a great owner ultimately and he was a maverick and he was an innovator and all of that. I just don't think, look, I have no, based on the loyalty that people have to Al Davis, I don't think he was a backstabber.

Right. Okay. That's what I'm talking about. I mean, you have to watch your back if you're coaching the Washington Redskins from people who you work with, from people in the building. And until the media starts treating this team differently than a normal NFL franchise, they're never going to get at the heart of what's wrong. But Tommy, that speaks to what I've said many times over. You've agreed with me. And it's what the team, it just baffles me.

It's entertaining that the team and its previous coaches think it's such a tough media market. It's not. It actually needs to get tougher. Yes. Speaking of tougher, we're going to get to the CBS sports Jason Lock and Forrest story. But you remember how Redskins fans hated Jason Lock and Forer when he covered the team here for the post. I know. I know they did.

I know they did. And it was because some of the time he was exposing what was going on behind the scenes. And that seemed ridiculous at the time. Now it seems quaint. Look, one thing, before I forget this thought, and then just remind me to go back to your Jason Locken for a thing. I feel almost stupid comparing the Dan Snyder Redskins to the Al Davis Raiders because they're not comparable on almost every front.

Al Davis was smart. He was innovative. He was a pioneer. He was a maverick. He was fearless. He won. He won big. My comparison was, in later years, it became a job in which you basically knew that if you went to coach for the Raiders, you really weren't coaching the Raiders.

Al Davis was coaching the Raiders. You had to work around. Al Davis was a football person, though. Yes. Big difference. And a great football guy. He helped create a league. He helped create a league, and he helped create Super Bowl champions with his eye for,

for talent. And the Raiders job is usually the one that comes up as a comparable. I just don't think you have the same level of distrust if you're the head coach of the Raiders that you do if you're to coach of the Redskins. So I mean, let's remember, Jake Gruden said at the end of the year, we need to be better getting on the same page when it comes to communication. Yes. That's a subtle way from saying that I can't trust anybody in this building.

Right. It is, it is. I mean, and I know that some of you have tired a bit, that there's a bit of fatigue from the Redskins bashing. But these are now, these are now, you have, you have data points that prove what Tommy's been saying, what I've been saying, and that is nobody wants to work for Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen if they have any other option. It is only if they don't have any options left

that they might take the money and come here. Real quickly on Lockenforah. Lockenfora was not a favorite of Redskins fans. I never had a problem with Jason Lockenfora. I always liked Jason Lockenforra. And on shows, like we had him on the show before he became a part of CBS and couldn't come on ESPN-related affiliated stations.

I've always thought Jason is a very good reporter. I think he's a great guest on radio. I don't think he's great on television, but whatever, he does the CBS stuff, because he's really good with information and has great sources. He's aggressive, he's smart. He's fearless.

He's fearless. The thing about him is that he's a Baltimore guy, so a lot of my Redskinned fans, friends of mine who are Redskins would say, he hates the Redskins to begin with. Like he's jaded to begin with. But, you know, he was one of those guys early on that was like Vinnie Serrato's a clown. He won't. How can you possibly, you know, think that this combo of Snyder and Serrato can actually result in something of substance?

And he was right. But, you know, as a reporter, as a beat reporter, what I liked about him is he, I don't mind when beat reporters inject a little of opinion into their piece, a little bit of emotion. And, you know, I never have minded it. That's the world we're living in. No one just wants deadpanned reporting. I don't. If you want that, just read the AP wire. Do they still have one?

Yeah, they still have one, Kevin. Anyway. AP is still the standard. Predictions on Bruce Allen, what he says today. Talks about how he hears nothing but good things from the fans. Will he make a stupid comment? Oh, that's guarantee. That's guaranteed.

One that we'll be talking about for weeks, months, if not years to come. He'll have a sound bite that will be gold for everybody. Listen, you know, there are people. Whether it's winning off the field or something like that. Right, or Scott McLuhan's grandmother's funeral. He will come up with something. Because look, this was where he said about Scott McLuhan. Yes, it was.

Was it the Indicombin? No, no, it was the Combine, since McClun wasn't there. Yeah. And he had the reports. route that he was not going to be allowed to speak. Yes. Yeah. The, what was I going to say?

Oh, I was going to say this. He, look, the Redskins Public Relations Department from afar most of you would gather pretty dumb, like pretty not with, you know, just not with it. And you're not that far off

from the truth. There are some people out there that are fine people and they work hard. And one of my favorite people is no longer there. He's down at Clemson. He got out of there. But Bruce will not be coached up well. He will not be coached up well by the PR department. But in the PR department's defense, Bruce isn't going to listen to anybody anyway. He thinks he's got it all figured out. So it's hard if you're a public relations person working in this organization for Dan and Bruce to really attempt to coach him up. Now, I know in the

past they've probably given out some bad advice but that's a subjective thing to yes so now i know i know it's okay i can't reveal too much about this because uh i don't want to put somebody at risk but i know somebody who had a business relationship with the washington redskins and and appeared at a redskins event uh and uh spoke to reporters this is a while back wait wait set it up again a person who had a business relationship with the Washington Redskins. Right. Okay. Of note.

And spoke to reporters at a Redskins event. Okay. Okay. Why would he speak to reporters at a Redskins event when he was just a business? Well, because it was something related to the business he was in. Okay. That person was called into the office by Bruce Allen and grilled about what reporters he talked to and what he's at, what he's said to the reporters and told by Bruce Allen that he needed to know from now on exactly

what questions were being asked of this person and what their response would be. And we're talking about an innocent event. Is that some of his father in him? Well, I'm sure. George. Oh, yeah. I mean, people are real. Everyone loves George Allen, rightfully so.

Because he meant so much to the organization. But if you covered the team, he was a nightmare. A nightmare. I bet he was in a totally different time, too. I predict, I don't know, I think this is uncharted territory, him speaking today. Well, I don't think they've reached a new low. I think we all agree on that, you know. I think we...

This is a new low. He's the target more than anybody else. Yes. which is also pretty at a level that doesn't even approach the level it used to be in terms of the actual distaste, dislike, hate, despise for Bruce Allen. Yes. So he is, people have sort of been waiting for this. And so I don't, maybe, the fact that he's doing it, though, in Mobile, you know,

in a quick sort of, hey, he's going to be available, you know, whoever's down here you can have. says to me that he's not going to say much and that he'll end up saying something that's going to make everybody angry. On the other hand, because look, if Redskins fans are tired of the beating their team is taken, they're not going to be happy today.

But let's come up with one positive. One positive. Let's each of us come up with one positive. In terms of what he'll say? No, in terms of the Redskins. Oh, you're, you're, coming to some of that pressure. No, I'm just trying, no, just come up with one positive.

Only, I only am going to come up with a positive if I really believe it's a positive. Well, let's come up with, I'm sure you can believe, come up with one positive that you can believe about this organization. I mean, I could come up with a couple of like minor positives. I'll take minor positive. Well, like John Allen to me is a winner. Okay. And they've got a winner in the organization. And they, they really, they got lucky that.

he was around at that point. Yeah, because he fell because of injury questions. Because of the our shoulder, uh, concerns. But they've got a real winner in him in the organization. And I think you might be able to say that about most of the Alabama players. There's my, there's my one good right now. There you go. They, the drafting, look, if this was a strategy, I'm not, I'm not, I don't hate it. I don't love it because it just, but if they've sort of admitted internally, hey, you know what, it's not our greatest strength to evaluate players and to pick players. Let's just, when in doubt, the default be a Nick Sabin player. You could do a lot worse.

Or, you know, a Bud Foster coached player. They drafted a bunch of Virginia Tech defensive players as well. So when in doubt, let's draft a Sabin player from their defense or a Bud Foster defensive player, because they're going to be well-coached before they get here. They're going to be, you know, if we've talked to Saban and if we've talked to people at Bama and at Virginia Tech, we know we're getting the real story from them. And you know what? That's not a terrible strategy when you're limited as an organization in identifying and securing talent. That's good.

That's not bad. No. There you go. What's yours? Mine is that they got rid of. that special teams coach, I think. I think they did. Because they hired his replacement.

So they don't have, so now, hold on for a second. Before you get to your positive, you had this big thing last week. Well, have they announced it? I don't know that Ben Kotweak isn't with the organization anymore. Have they announced it? No, they haven't. It's been reported. Then, wow, am I to believe it?

So now they've hired and announced that they've hired this Nate Katzer. I think is the way you pronounce it. Yeah, from Tampa, right? From Tampa. They had the 20th ranked special teams in the league. Shocker that he's from Tampa. And now you still don't believe Ben Kotwick is gone. Do you think they're going to have two special teams coaches next year?

No, no, no. I'm assuming that this pretty much confirms that they've moved on from him and they have a new special teams coach. So it's another fresh set of eyes to come in for the organization. No sarcasm on this. A real positive. I gave you a real positive. No sarcasm.

You've got to give a real positive. This was your idea. I know that, but it was my idea to point out how screwed up this thing is. Is that you have to dig, you have to dig so deep, so deep to come up with something. You know, that wasn't that deep. No, it wasn't. But, okay, but you took, then you took away the only one. No, I did.

Yes, you did. You took away the only one. I have another one. Okay, go ahead. No, I'm going to wait for yours. No, I told you mine. But yours was sarcasm. Yeah, I know, but that's the,

best I can do. It's your go-to move. Well, you know. It's why you may be for Redskins fans, the most despised guy since Jason Lock and Florida. I think I might be. I'm kidding, of course, although not with every Redskinned fan. What's my second one? You said you had one. Well, my second one is that they have all of their draft choices and they got three

compensatory picks. They've got lots of draft picks. They got rid of the third, you know, last year for Alex Smith and they got rid of a fourth for Ha ha ha Clinton Dicks but I think they have nine to ten picks. Yes. This year. You know, and they've used the draft here in recent years and they

haven't drafted poorly. Right. You know, they haven't drafted great. You know, there have been some big whiffs here. Second round whiffs. We don't know about Ryan Anderson yet. But the, I like they have the opportunity

to draft some players. I like that they have had a focus on the draft. Now, I will tell you that I think one of the reasons they have a real focus on the draft is I think there's some philosophy there, which is fine. But I think there's also, you know, something has emerged here that is, you know, the player comp to the coaching issue that they have. And that is players don't want to come here. The best players don't want to come here.

They used to want to come here because they knew they would get paid. Right. Now they don't get paid, and the agents don't like to negotiate with Bruce. And this place isn't a winner, and all the other things that go with it. So I think the draft is the primary way in which they have to try to build something, and they have. So that's a positive, right? That they have draft picks coming up. They do.

I'm looking for that right now. I'm trying to see exactly how many picks they have for the upcoming draft. I thought it was nine, but they got the compensatory picks recently. You know, basically saying that they have draft picks coming up as a positive is sort of like what Casey Stangel, the New York Mets manager, once said about a young catcher named Greg Gousen, who was a terrible ball player. He was 20 years old, and a reporter asked Casey Stangle,

can you say something positive about Greg Gousen? and he said, well, he's 20, and 10 years from now, he'll be 30. That's pretty much what you're saying here in the fact that, well, they've got draft picks coming up. Of course they do. There's a draft. Do you have the compensatory picks, Aaron, that they were just assigned? Because they lost the fourth for Ha ha ha Clinton Dicks, which is a waste. But if they let him go, don't they get one?

And they're sixth. The whole compensatory pick, you know, mathematical formula, is not something that's really easy to figure out. They're getting... Here we go. Over the cap projects that they are going to get a... Looks like a third, a fifth and a fifth. So the third would have been for Kirk.

Yeah, third for Kirk Cousins, fifth for Trent Murphy, and sixth for Ryan Grant. So they get nothing for Clinton... Well, they haven't lost Clinton Dix. That would be next year. That would be next year. So 2019, they have a first, a second. They'll have two thirds now.

they will not have a fourth. They'll have two fifths, a sixth, and a seventh. They lost the other sixth, their sixth round pick, because they picked Adonis Alexander in the supplemental draft. Right. So I just gave you one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. They got eight picks. My fault.

I thought they had more than that. That's positive. It's positive. Yes. Yeah, it's positive. I mean, last year's draft got you a starter for sure. sure in Duran Paine, you know, overall at number, where did they pick Duran Paine? 14, 13? Is it 13? 14, I think. Okay. Darius Geis, we're not sure. You know, remember about

Darius Geis that he had complications due to his ACL surgery, too. I'm not suggesting that they're comparable to Alex Smith, but there were infections as well. Hopefully this guy, Christian, is a player. Tim Settle looks like he is a good backup at best. Yes. I mean, at worst, Sean on Hamilton to me looks like a real player and so does Trey Quinn. So there we go. The year before that. There's lots to look forward to. The year before that, Alan Anderson, Moreau are all going to be

starters. You know, next year. More likely than not. Alan Anderson and Moreau all starters. They got a guy in sprinkle. Ruye's already a starter. You know, Harvey Clemens. It was the 16 draft where you had Doxon, Cravens. Fuller's no longer here, but you got ionitis in the fifth.

Yeah. I mentioned second round picks problems with, more or less just some seconds and thirds. I mean, we're not sure about Ryan Anderson yet. Obviously, Sue Cravens was a major bust. Preston Smith has turned out to be well. Matt Jones was a major bust in the third round. But, you know, Trent Murphy had a really good year in Buffalo. Had a really good year in Buffalo. Yeah. You know, there's some good ex-redskins like Lorenzo Alexander and Trent Murphy, who have played pretty well in Buffalo. Alexander, an amazing, amazing guy. Really an amazing career that he has had.

And you know what? He's a better guy than he is a football player. Great guy. Because this is a guy who in two markets, if he wanted to, in Buffalo now and back here in Washington, he could be a post-playing career figure in either market. No doubt. Because he's very good. He's very well-spoken, very good guests, and he's very liked and respected. You know who else is really, really good is Kedric Goldston, a long time Redskin.

He's really good media-wise as well. I've heard him on with Doc a bunch, and I'll try it. Maybe next year we'll make a run at having him on occasionally. I think he's really good. We are a wash in positives here. We are? Yes. We're not a wash in positives.

Yes, we are. I'll cup run it over. I had to give you both of them. You couldn't come up with anything on your own. We're going to get to the Maryland-Michigan State game. I promise for you that are interested in hearing thoughts that I have, and maybe even Tommy has, on the Maryland-Michigan State game. We sort of had it yesterday, Aaron. We talked about the point spread being high, and I said, because I had a chance to listen to the podcast yesterday.

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All right, the Alex Smith story. We're going to get to the Maryland thing, I promise, from last night. I wanted to read the report from this Dr. Chow. Is that his name, Aaron? Yes, Dr. David Chow. Okay, Dr. David Chow, who was a former, he was a former football NFL medical doctor. for, I don't know which team he was for.

That's poor planning on my part, poor preparation on my part. I remember we read his last report about Alex Smith, and I just can't remember. And in this story in the San Diego Tribune, which was written by him, it was the Chargers doctor. He was the Chargers doctor. That makes sense. Okay. So here's what he wrote about Alex Smith.

First of all, if you missed it, Alex Smith showed up at the Wizards game yesterday. He was in the locker room with a. son, I think, of his. And the Wizards players, he had a conversation with Bradley Beal. And he had a he basically had a jungle gym on his leg. Yeah. If you saw it. It was a device out of a horror movie.

It was, it was just a lot of metal and a lot of stuff going on. A lot of pins sticking out. And the doctor that writes for the San Diego Tribune and I had read his guess on what was going on a month ago.

He did guess that Alex Smith was going to have this contraption on his leg. This is what he wrote about it. He wrote the following. He wrote this. Redskins quarterback Alex Smith was spotted in public Monday in the owner's suite at the Wizards game. He also visited the locker room. This brought lots of questions about the crazy brace or contraption on his leg. Smith's appearance provided confirmation that he has an external fixator on his leg, which serves to hold the bones in place. since the hardware from his initial surgery had to be removed. And he writes, as we initially discussed six weeks ago,

and that was because of the infection. He said, when Smith was discharged from the hospital, this is what we expected to be hidden under the Redskins blanket draped over his legs. Remember the picture with him in front of the Christmas tree that his wife sent out on Instagram, I believe. Or maybe the Redskins sent it out on their Instagram. I forget. He writes, specifically, Smith has a,

ring external fixator called an Elisorov device on his right lower leg. The device has sequential rings outside that are connected to each other, and there are spoke-like wires that pierce through his leg and are connected to the rings. The origination of this type of external fixator was in rural Russia, and in fact, in the early days, actual bicycle spokes were used. Oh, my God. Because that was all that was available. Dr. Chow writes, this confirms some of the fears that Smith has suffered significant complications.

The initial thought was that he would be able to return for the start of the season. However, with the infection and multiple surgeries, including the now confirmed report of his initial hardware implants being removed, this lengthens the recovery. The good news is he should not lose his leg. The bad news is he likely has several surgeries and procedures still to come, including the ultimate removal of this ring external fixator. At this point, there is no way he will be ready for the start of the coming season. In fact, he may never be able to play. The next thing to watch for are reports of a free flap graft. This is where there is exposed bone from the infected tissue and where doctors take.

take a muscle from another part of the body, reconnected to the leg area to cover the exposed area where infected tissue was removed. Oh, my God. This sounds horrific. If this happens or has happened, that would make it hard for Smith to return to football at all. So that's what you're looking for here. You're looking for the report of a free flap graft process.

He says, if you hear that, it's pretty much over. but he's not very bullish right now anyway. No. His last paragraphs are, they're really short. I'll read them. The initial reports on Smith were that the bones stuck through the skin and the urgent surgery was to prevent infection. The infection, even though Smith should be over that by now,

is what leads to this cascade of further procedures and issues. The hope is Smith can continue to recover and return to football if he chooses, but his team will need to find a new starting quarterback for the beginning of 2019 and likely beyond. Now, you know, this guy has a level of expertise that clearly nobody else has. Did you know the name? Did you know the name in a device? Never heard. Well, yes, from his previous article.

Okay, but without him, would you know the name? Never. Neither would I. So, yeah, he does have a level of expertise. At least he knows what it was. But let's also be clear that he has not actually examined. the patient. Yes. Yeah, but he was right when he wrote that he would probably have this device. Yes, he was. When he heard about the infections, he said, looks, and saw the blanket over the legs,

he thought that it was, that it was indeed hiding that contraption, which really is quite a contraption. And now that I know that it actually goes through the leg. Well, I figured it did. Oh, my God. I mean, it's not, it's not like a cosmetic thing to just to wear on the outside. What would be the point of wearing something like that just on the outside of your leg. You know what, though? And I saw some of the video. He had good color. He looked healthy.

I'm happy about that. Yes. Look it. I mean, as likable and as decent a human being as we've seen in the NFL, Alar Smith. He is. And nobody should have to go through this. No. It's, it's, he's got a long road ahead of him no matter what.

He does. Look, they got to find a quarterback. You know, they, I mean, I know my plan. I know your plan. Just start Colt McCoy. No, no, no, no, no. I've abandoned that plan.

You have? My plan. Boy, he's, that's not the right thing to do. My plan. He is a relative. He's your blood. My plan is to cut as many salaries as you need to. To have enough money and go get flacco.

Trade all those draft picks that you're talking about for Antonio Brown. Then you've got something, baby. You got asses in the seats, baby. J.P. Finley said that Tark El Bashir is there. Is Tark? From the athletic. He's with the athletic now. And Hoffman's there, he thinks, and the post has some people, and then it's him.

Yeah, that would make sense. Would you like me to text him a list of your questions? No. No, it's not my job to do his job. Okay. What were we going to get to next? The Lock and Forest thing. Let's go back to the Wall and Forestry.

Okay, I weighed in on it yesterday. The only thing I wanted to mention is this, because I didn't, in listening to my podcast yesterday, first of all, I made a massive mistake, and it was not because, well, whatever, I made a massive mistake. It was my fault, my fault. It wasn't my fault? But I went through, Tommy, one of my, one of the things I said yesterday is I, people, we live in this, this world of everybody wants to feel like they just witnessed the worst thing ever, the best thing. thing ever. Well, yeah, that's the immediacy of cable network news. Right. It's the worst time of the world. So this was

apparently the worst call of all time, and it's the only time ever a bad call's prevented one team from going to the Super Bowl, which just isn't true. And I went through the list of all the different things, and I specifically went back to the 49ers Redskins NFC championship game after the 1983 season in January

of 1984. When Eric Wright got called for a pass interference on Art Monk, it's still something that just burns up 49er fans. They think that they were completely robbed in that championship game. And to a certain degree, they were. They were, they came back from 21-0. Nothing was 21-21.

Montana let them back. They had all the momentum. And first of all, there's a defensive hold on Ronnie Lott on Charlie Brown on a play, which had no chance of the ball coming to Charlie Brown that extended the drive. And then the ball that sailed 30 feet over Art Monk's head wasn't catchable. And they flagged Eric Wright for pass interference. And that set up Mark Mosley's win. field goal in that game and the Redskins went on to the Super Bowl. What I said yesterday is they went on and won the Super Bowl. No, they went on and lost to the Raiders in the Super Bowl. That was the 38 to 9 Super Bowl, the Marcus Allen Super Bowl. So those of you that picked up on that, I appreciate that. I do know that that season was followed up by the Raiders loss. I think I just misspoke. But anyway, the, what was the other thing that I was going to say? We were about to get into Lock and Forer, but you're fixated on your podcast yesterday.

I am fixated on my podcast. I mean, that's yesterday. There was a... I wasn't here yesterday. Why are we talking about that podcast? Well, because I'm just setting it up so you know what I said yesterday. Because I know you didn't listen to the podcast. Well, I don't particularly care what you said.

I know, but I was talking about the worst, you know, everybody gets caught up in these things. And there were all of these, you know, you remember all of them. You remember the Music City miracle. That's recent vintage for you. I mean, how about, you know, Hamilton's, roughing the passer on Ken Stabler in the playoffs in 76. How about, you know, plays like Mike Renfro in Pittsburgh in the 79 AFC championship game. We've had many games that have been decided by horrible non-calls.

I get that. I get that. But two things on that. First of all, most of what you've mentioned are why we have instant replay now. And people forget, I mean, you know, they instituted instant replay. because of horrific situations. The Renfro call was a big push. It was one of the first early pushes,

but just back to my podcast for one second. I'm not done. I know, but I'll forget if I don't say this to you right now. I read quotes from various people. Bill Walsh called for replay after that game in 1984. Go ahead. This is why we have replay. I mean, this is how it came about.

I mean, people complain about replay. The world without replay was much worse. Yes. It was much worse without it. The second thing is, I mean, I think you can qualify your statement very simply by just say in recent memory. I mean, I think you need to say that with almost everything. Because off the top of your head, you're not going to be able to speak to past transgressions

and past similar situations unless you're a genius like Kevin. And you can do that. I can't do that. So when I was describing the play, it's the worst I've seen in recent memory. I think that's a fair thing to say. Kevin, that was the kind of point. If you did that on the sandlots of J.M. Hill playing tackle football, that's a fight. So what do you want done about it?

Do you want replay? Yeah, I want replay. For a subjective pass and appearance call. I mean, look, to me, you know what, if I were the NFL commissioner, and I wasn't there because he was at the other game, but somebody who works in my office came running up to me and said, this is what just happened in New Orleans. I'm the commissioner.

I get on the phone and I get a line down to that field and I tell them to stop play. And I tell that referee crew to get back together and review among themselves without looking at a video, what happened here and maybe rethink their call. You know, I had this conversation with Scott yesterday on the drive back because he's adamant. He totally agrees with you. And I just said, look, it's not. not going to ruin the NFL if they institute replay for subjective plays, subjective past, you know, things like pass interference.

And it's not going to ruin the NFL if they don't put replay in for those things. Nothing seems to be able to ruin the NFL. In fact, we have games labeled after, you know, bad calls and blown calls. And it becomes almost part of the NFL lore and the legend of the NFL. It adds to it in many ways. Again, it angers people in the moment. But 10 years from now, we'll remember the Roby Coleman call that prevented the Saints from going to the Super Bowl. What we won't remember is that there was an obvious face mask, not called either, that probably it could have led to a ramp touchdown.

The cost of doing business. This was outside the boundaries of business. You know what? Here's my answer to you. I don't hate it either way. Okay. I'm not, I don't want it. I would lean towards less intrusion of replay.

on things that are subjective. But if they throw it in there, and apparently they are discussing it, have at it. Nothing's going. I have a bigger problem as an NFL fan with the overprotection of the quarterback, of the overprotection of the wide receivers, and the legislation of big hitting out of the game, and the legislation of being able to actually sack the quarterback out of the game. I have a bigger problem with those things than I do with if you decide,

if the NFL decides what you want, and that is we're going to have Al Riveron buzzed down to the referees, say, oh, wait a minute, you missed a big one. And we're going to decide a game that way. But if they don't do it, I'm going to be okay with that too. I'm really not overly passionate one way or the other. I'm more passionate actually about the overtime thing, which we can get to at some point. Okay, we can get to that. So I don't want to go over everything about the title game again, because I'm sure you covered everything

in the podcast yesterday. Yes, I did. Actually, no, here. I remember, but let me just point out. I did remember the thing I forgot. Go ahead. Let me just point out that I had just as big an issue with Sean Payton on first down with like less than two minutes left and already in field goal range.

Instead of running the ball, winding down the clock, kicking the field goal at that point, and leaving no time for. the Rams when they would take over the ball, he throws it on first down, throws it on first down, pitches it on second down, throws it on third down. I think they used 20 seconds off the clock in that time. That was stupid play calling. Was that a response to something you heard on the podcast yesterday?

No, it wasn't. Because I completely disagree. And you know me, I'm a massive, you know, management, clock management. I had no problem with that at all. I mean, so many people agree with you and tweeted me and said, oh my God, the play calling at the end. No, Sean Payton did the right thing. He was thinking touchdown.

You have to think touchdown in that spot. Here's why. Because there was not enough time. Of course there was. No, there wasn't. Of course there was like 147. Okay, so let me just walk you through it. Okay.

If you run the ball three times and you make the Rams use their final two timeouts, the Rams are going to get the ball back with a minute to go. That's plenty of time to get in zero line range. to tie it. Plenty of time. In that moment, now, the first down throw was an actual safe throw. It was bubble slant to Michael Thomas, and it was just a bad throw by Breeze. One of the things I didn't point out on the podcast that I wanted to point out today, you know, Drew Breeze didn't play very well. The Rams were the better team. I mentioned that yesterday, if you listen to the podcast, but the Rams just flat out to me for 60 minutes were the better team anyway. But I didn't

have a problem with that at all. In fact, right when they got in that situation, somebody said, well, what about them snapping it before the two-minute warning? Well, it was second and 12 from their own 42-yard line or whatever. You got to get a first down. If they felt like they had the right play and they were in rhythm, fine. You know, this wasn't, you know, you were in a game in which, yeah, it would be nice to drive the ball down the field, get in field goal range, make the Rams use all their timeouts and kick a walk off field goal. But once he hit the big play, long one to Ginn that got him down to the 13. That pretty, it's a great play for them.

They're not going to give it back on second and 12, which was the play that they snapped right before the two minute warning. But you're not, you're then in a position where, yeah, you could get 10 or 11 yards and get a first down and then it's game over because it's going to be a walkoff field goal. But once they had the first and 10 at the 13 and the Rams had two timeouts left, two, now I'm thinking touchdown. the play calls that I have to call to try to score a touchdown here, that's what I'm doing.

Because I can do the math, and I know who their kicker is, and I know it's indoors, and I know that they are likely in a minute only going to need to gain 30 yards for field goal range to tie the game. So I'm thinking touchdown. And what you're thinking is on defense, worst case scenario, that you're not going to be able to stop them with less than a minute left. Why wouldn't you, if you're the Saints on offense, thinking worst case scenario, I throw an incomplete pass, I throw three straight incomplete passes. Well, they did.

And I lose no time. I take no time off the clock. Kick a field goal. And then you could lose on a touchdown. Is that what you're going to say? Then you've given the Rams almost double the amount of time. Boy, that's a real aggressive way to think. Well, I mean, the same way that's just like you.

You can't stop them with less than a minute left and no timeouts? Yeah, that's why I want to have a seven point lead. That's a real aggressive way to think. That's why I want to have a seven-point lead. I'm sorry. I'm not playing for the field. It's a lot worse than your worst-case scenario because mine happened. No, it's not.

It's the, look, you know, you could, a better argument from your standpoint would be, look, I think they could have made a first down or a touchdown just running the ball three times. Well, that may be. But that may be, but that wouldn't be my point. He didn't think so. He went into that, the first and 10 at the 13, with a minute 55 left in the. the Rams holding two timeouts. He went into that first down call thinking, we got to score touchdown here.

How am I going to score a touchdown from the 13? Let's go with our normal game plan. But they didn't have to score a touchdown. Well, yeah, you would rather be up 2720, be on defense and give the Rams two timeouts in as much time as you want. Let's get a stop now. We're not going to lose the game in regulation. Going for the win there, the Rams were going to get in field goal range, whether they

had two timeouts or no timeouts. Really? With Zerline. Yeah. Really? Yeah. There's no chance of a sack? Oh, no, there's a chance.

There's no chance of a turnover? Let me rephrase. My fault. There's no chance in the panic of a moment, a turnover? Yeah, of course that. They are not going to be prevented from having a legitimate chance to get into field goal range based on my play calling here. If it's a minute left with no timeouts or if it's a minute 35,

with two timeouts. And by the way, they did run it on second down. Yes, they did run their second timeout. It didn't run it. It was a pitch. Yeah. It was a terrible call. It was a running play, though.

I know that. But when you pitch the ball down there, you risk losing the ball. I didn't, look, you're asking me, I didn't have a problem with that at all. There are much more, much more egregious, you know. Okay. But I don't want to go over that because that's history. That's history. Let's move on.

Let's get to something I want to talk about with. Jason Lock and Forer. Okay, but before you start that, I do remember what I was going to say that I didn't say on the podcast yesterday. And I think that this is fair. I didn't say yesterday, and I should have, and I've said it to you in the past, it's not just that Todd Bowles and Greg Williams and anybody else that is of, you know, perceived quality, that they don't want to come here. It's a big part of it.

It's the majority of it. But in this particular situation, It's also fair to say, who wants to come work for Jay Gruden if they think this is Jay Gruden's final year of coaching? Yeah. You know, so Todd Bowles is going to a place where Bruce Ariens is going to have three years. You know, he's got stability as the defensive coordinator. Greg Williams, the same thing with Adam Gays in New York. Steve Wilkes, the same thing in Cleveland with kitchens.

Here, to attract a position coach, you know, of high quality that has options, even if the organization weren't toxic, it would be a tough decision to make because Jay Gruden, if you're practical, you're looking at his last year here. At least it may not be his last year, but going into it right now, the context is Jay Gruden's lame duck. Yeah, absolutely. So that's all I wanted to say. Okay, well, that was good.

Thank you. That was good. I'm glad you got that in. All right. Have that Jason Lockham Forrestory. Okay. Look, I thought, I have a lot of, I've known Jason Lockenforer for over 20 years since he used to work as an intern at the Baltimore Sun. He's a very good reporter.

And I think, you know, based on the fact that the Redskins dysfunction since he left is far worse than what he was reporting when he was here. I think Redskins fans own an apology, but that's neither here nor there. Kevin, basically one of the most important things about this report was Dan Snyder's involvement in it. of Dan Snyder, apparently, recruiting and trying to make the hire for defensive coordinator. And there's a question as to whether Jay Gruden was even involved in any of it, that it was Dan Snyder, according to the report, that was driving the whole thing.

I don't mean this in a mean-spirited way, but you might consider maybe sleeping on this and taking a pledge on your podcast, that you will never ever ever, ever, say publicly again that Dan Snyder is not that much involved in the in the football operations of this football team. You might want to consider like taking like a public pledge. You didn't listen to the podcast yesterday, did you? No, I didn't.

Because I didn't take a public pledge yesterday. But the most surprising thing to me when I read this. is that he, and I do believe this, and I know you are going to completely disagree with me. But then I'd ask you, for example, since RG3, this was in recent Dan Snyder vintage out of character to get this involved in this stuff. This has been Bruce Allen's territory for several years now, Tommy.

Yeah, but we don't know that Dan wasn't sitting right beside Bruce through all of it. We don't, but we also know that it wasn't, you know, you know, Dan with a stopwatch at the Indy Comvine with Vinny. No, that's right. He's not running drills. Okay. I'll give you that. But I just, again, you know, I'll concede that I could be, I could have been completely

off the last few years that Dan Snyder has been just as involved, just as intrusive, just as overbearing, just as influential in the day-to-day operations of the football team than he's ever been before. I don't believe that's true. I don't believe that's true. I think he has been a different owner since Bruce got here. It hasn't resulted in it. That's why I said to you a few weeks ago that Bruce Allen was Dan Snyder's attempt to be a good owner.

That was his attempt to be a good owner. It's like, I've got a real NFL guy in here now, not my buddy Vinny, and I'm going to let him do things. And it hasn't worked out because Bruce isn't very capable either. But the most surprising thing about the Lock and Four report is that that was something that he used to do. And I don't believe he has done a lot of that in recent years. Okay. So the baseline from now on, though, is that Dan Snyder is involved. That's the baseline. That has to be the baseline. And anything other than that would have to be able to come out publicly.

In other words, you start on the basis. But it's a level of involvement. He's obviously involved. the owner. I get that. I think the level of involvement now is that he's involved in hiring the coaching staff for the head coach. I don't believe that he hired Jay Gruden. I don't believe that he hired Joe Barry or Greg Minusky. This is what makes this to me different. I will also tell you, Tommy, I am not that, you know, upset about it at this point. At this point, they need a new defensive coordinator. There has to be some change. At some point, an owner does say,

the problem is the reaction should be, I'm getting involved in firing Bruce Allen. That should have been the first reaction. Not I'm going to get involved and go hire Todd Bowles without my head coach. I agree with you. It's insane. It's ass backwards, as it always has been. The head coach can't pick his own staff. Right. I mean, it really is. And look, if any of those candidates were honest while they were sitting across Dan Snyder, they'd say, look, one of the main reasons I'm not coming here is you. Is you're in the meeting right now? Yeah, you're here.

That's it. You know, I mean, if they were really honest with them, that's what they say. But you know, almost anybody in every, in any situation of life. Oh, yeah. If the meeting and the pitch comes from the top guy. Yeah. No one's going to say, hey, get out of here. I say, hey, look at me.

Well, coaches can be strange. Coaches can be sort of mavericks. You know, in a way, I'm thinking, look, as far as we know, we don't know if they, we don't know if they had an actual face-to-face conversation with anyone except Bulls. We know that now based on Lockhart's reporting.

They did not have face-to-face with Greg Williams, according to Lock and Four, am I right? Right, they never had the meeting. Yeah, they never had the meeting. They attempted to get the meeting, but they never got it. So, I mean, my point is, there's a lot of coaches that would say, if they're worth their sol, they have any character, they're going to say to the Redskins, look, you already have a defensive coordinator.

It's very unseemly for me to come here and interview for a job when somebody else has that job. I mean, I've seen manager searches in baseball where managers refuse to talk to a team as long as there was a manager still in place. Right. It's an unseemly thing among the fraternity. I get it. I totally get it. I mean, it's just, it's interesting, though, that I'm, I can only speak for myself. And of the two of us sitting here, I'm the lifelong fan.

I actually do and would prefer if they actually win one day. You don't necessarily care, although it would be better for business. Yes. If they did. Better for business, absolutely. And Dan, and the report of the level of his involvement in pursuing Todd Bowles was not off-putting to me. me. It wasn't. I was like, okay, just kick Minusckey out here. Part of it is because I'm a big Todd Bowles fan, and I've always been, and I'm a Greg Williams fan. But it's like,

who else is going to make that? They've got Bruce Allen, is Bruce Allen going to go aggressively try to get Todd Bowles? Doesn't Jay Gruden have a level of respect around the league to at least interview his own defensive coordinator? I don't know. If he doesn't, then, then. Wade Phillips mocked him about the interview that he had with him. Yes, he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And apparently, you know, all of the Tampa connections and the nostalgic Redskins connections,

whether it's Greg Minusky or Todd Bowles for that matter, or Greg Williams for that matter. It's like the only... It's like incest. The only move they have is like nostalgia or, you know, and I had heard Tommy early on that the reason Bulls came down here was Doug Williams, that he felt, he's got a respect for Doug Williams. I can see that.

And the other thing about the whole hiring process, they did it this way and keeping Minnowski because they didn't wind to wind up with another Greg Minnowski. Being that they didn't want to fire the guy and then not have anybody around to anybody come in to take the job, be forced to hire the guy to replace him. the only other guy in the room. Basically, they hired Minnowski because he was in the room. Right. And they didn't want to have to do that again.

Right. Yeah. And the only reason they haven't gotten rid of Minnowski is because at least there's some recognition that they just can't offer any amount of money to anybody and have that person accept. Yeah. It doesn't work that way with them anymore. I'm surprised that you haven't hit on two big pieces of the lock and forest. Well, you know, I'm not as smart as I used.

to be Kevin. This particular part where he writes Snyder was leading the push, not head coach Jay Gruden, and the owner made it clear that he would compensate Bowles as well as any coordinator in the NFL and was also willing to alter his personnel structure. He was willing to alter his personnel structure within football operations if Bowles was interested. Then the second part of that is one source with knowledge said Dan put the full court press on Bowls. He didn't want him to leave. Remember how we used to always hear the Dan didn't want to let them leave the building. He wanted to know what conditions it would take to get him to stay. If Todd had said, I'll only do it if I'm the head coach, I think he may have gone for it.

I don't believe that to be true. I think that's a throwaway line from that source to lock and four. I don't know that for certain, but I don't think Dan was willing to offer Todd Bowles the head coaching job. I think it was to emphasize. I wonder if Bob Bowles would even ask for that. I think it was to. emphasize how hard of a cell that Dan put on him. Now it's like he was offering him pretty much anything. Right. But the part about the personnel structure is interesting. Which you think speaks to Bruce

Allen? Well, who else would it speak to? You know, you're right. You're right. I mean, there's no one else it would speak to. It's not speaking to Greg Williams, his good friend, his former teammate. It's not speaking to Kyle Smith or Eric Schaefer, I don't think. It's it's Bruce Allen who we've now had multiple, you know, quotes anonymous from various columns like Sallies. The rest of the league thinks Bruce is a joke. Yeah. As a football person. Not as an administrator or a political beast, probably the wrong noun in that particular

situation, but as a football person, he's considered to be inept. Yes. Which, by the way, the results, while he's been here, bear that out. Bear that out. Yeah. Wouldn't it be funny if that Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen started sticking each other in the back? Oh my God. We just had the same thought at the same time because I thought what if Bruce Allen actually said to his announcement today was, you know, I just can't work in this organization for this owner anymore.

That would be so funny if they started backstabbing each other. I'm out because Dan, you know, I've tried. There's so many things. I've tried to get done here and he just continually gets involved and gets in the way. I'm sorry, Washington. did my best. You got them. I'm going to move on and work for the Raiders in Vegas. That would be hysterical. Like, hey, that hashtag movement, it was really misguided. Because I've been trying to do all of them.

You have no idea who I wanted to draft. Anyway, okay. Let's, what else did we have on our list? Yeah, I want to talk about the Maryland game, but I think I had one other thing that was Redskins related on, uh, did you have anything else in the NFL playoff? Oh, the overtime. I wanted to just say, because I had a lot of people, and I got in a big argument with Scott on the phone about this yesterday. I just can't stand the description of a coin flip deciding a game. It doesn't decide a game. And you know who's really good on Twitter?

Do you remember this guy when he interned for us at the station, Jeff Schwartz? Oh, yeah. He was a lineman for the Giants. Very sharp guy. He's actually really good on Twitter. Yeah. And he sent out a tweet that since 2000. Since the 2012 rule change on overtime, which allowed both teams to get possession, the team who's won the toss has won exactly 50% of the games.

It's a 50-50 proposition. I'm with you on this. And he's 100% on this. And he tweeted out, he goes, oh no, facts over feelings, yikes. I'm with you on this. This notion that it wasn't fair. I think it's ridiculous. It's absurd.

When did it come to that? Three third and tens. stop them. Just stop them. Yeah. You know, it is, what was so interesting about the two games on Sunday is that, to me, the two best teams won. I thought the Rams outplayed the Saints, and I believe the Patriots outplayed the Chiefs.

I think, look, the Patriots could have easily had a 21-0 or at worst, 17-0-lead at halftime. Yeah. They took the most explosive and prolific offense in recent NFL history and held it to 32 yards and zero points in the first half. That's your ball game for all intents of purposes. With that said, they're a D-Ford

neutral zone infraction away from winning the game. Yes. So you can, like, I think I said this on the podcast here today. Do you remember if I said it or not? The Actually, the Chiefs turned out to be exactly who we thought they were.

Well, yeah, to me, not good enough defensively to win the Super Bowl or get to the Super Bowl. Yeah, but explosive offensively. Right. And a team that could score in three plays. They scored 31 points and 32 plays in the second half. But that's who they were, a defensive liability who were clearly gassed by the... That's the mistake that was made.

Yeah, no timeouts by Andy Reed. Andy Reed should have used some of his timeouts on defense, I felt. But what was interesting about the games, and it speaks to a lot of what the NFL is year and year out, this fine line between winning and losing games. So many games are decided by just a couple of things. and the better teams, in my view, the Rams and the Patriots won, but the Chiefs were a neutral zone infraction, a controllable item, by the way. It's just stupid play.

Yeah, lying up in the wrong place. One of the dumbest plays of all time away from winning the game. And the Saints were an obvious pass interference or hit on a defenseless receiver flag away from winning their game. Yeah, no, you're right. Look, one last thing Because I won't be here on Thursday, but I'll be calling in Actually, I'm going to New Orleans Thursday. Oh, you didn't tell me that.

Well, we're going to, I'm going to Florida to visit my wife, but we're driving in New Orleans for a couple of days. Oh, good. It's only three and a half hours away. Because you're on the west coast of Florida. Yeah. So I'll be calling into the podcast on Thursday. So we'll be talking, and we'll be talking about the Super Bowl in the coming weeks

in the coming days. but look, if you're playing Tom Brady right now and the New England Patriots, and you've got a whiteboard with your game plan, there's only three words on that whiteboard. Get Tom Brady. Well, here's the thing. Get Tom Brady.

That's it. In other words, if you have to give up two touchdowns in order to make Tom Brady either motionless or on the sideline, holding his head or something, you have to get Tom Brady and be willing to sacrifice everything it takes to get him. Interior pressure has always been the Achilles heel.

It was for Peyton Manning as well, for Tom Brady. And the Rams are actually with Donald and with Sue, potentially the team that can generate interior pressure. In the midst of all of the hysteria over wanting to be, you know, witness to history, the worst call ever, the greatest day, ever, the greatest games ever, whatever. I just said the following yesterday on my podcast, if you were listening, I said, Tommy, the only thing that we continued to witness on Sunday is the greatest coach in the history of the game. It's not debatable anymore. No, it's not. Okay, so don't give me Paul Brown.

No, I know. Okay, it's not debatable anymore. And in my view, the greatest quarterback of all time. And if you want to debate other quarterbacks are greater and would have got one more with Belichick have at it, but you can't debate that he is the all-time winner at the position. No, no. He's playing at an elite level and he's 41 years old. We have, we can say this, all of us that have been alive for at least 18 years. You have been witness and you have lived through the greatest NFL dynasty of all time. not the Packers, not the Steelers, not the Niners.

And don't give me the bears of the 40s or 30s or whatever. You know, I'm not going to argue with you. It's good. I think you're right. I think you're right. We're watching the best ever. I mean, I'm very convinced of the coach, but I've always thought Bill Belichick,

I mean, going back to his days as defensive coordinator for the Giants, what was a genius. But you're right. We're watching the combination of the best there ever was. We have a lot of time to, you know, think about the Super Bowl, but I actually like the Rams. I think the Rams can win the Super Bowl. And I think that this, you know, they shouldn't be there for the next two weeks. We're going to hear that the next two weeks.

They shouldn't be here because of the call, the miss call. That, to me, only serves to, you know, anger them. They're a good football team. Yeah, they are. Really good football team. They won 13 games this year. They won 11 games last year. But anyway, all right, let me tell you about Ferrisch, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep in Fairfax.

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But as soon as they open up, apparently the museum wants it. Okay, well, there you go. There you go. Send it over there. I talked about rebounding, offensive rebounds from Michigan State and in turnovers. And Maryland turned it over too much in the first half, and they gave up too many offensive rebounds in the first half to beat a team like that in their building. They're really good. Maryland's really good, too. So let me ask you a question about what happened. Yep.

Do you see Maryland growing enough between now and, let's say, the Big Ten tournament, to challenge Michigan State better than they did. Yeah, I do. I do. I don't think Michigan State is so much better talent-wise. Now, last night, they basically played without Nick Ward, who was in foul trouble from the beginning. Right.

You know, so he didn't, did he even score? I don't think he scored. He didn't score. He played 13 minutes. Okay. So they played without their big dude, Nick Ward, who is a load to deal with because of foul trouble. They were also missing one of their key scores.

They've been missing him for a while. He's been out for a while. So those are two players that would factor into a rematch in the Big Ten tournament, you know, down there. They don't play Michigan State. They know. They still have two games with Michigan, though. They have two games with Michigan.

And I actually, after watching Michigan a little bit in recent weeks, I think Maryland's actually much more... Michigan State, to me, is the best team in the league. The talent-wise, coaching-wise, everything. Isos the best? Yeah, he is the best. But Maryland in the first half last night had seven turnovers, and they'd given up far too many offensive rebounds to have a chance.

And then they just didn't run good enough offense, consistent enough offense. I listened to Turgeon after the game with Naki in the locker room, and he talked about, this is the first time I've really felt like we played young. And they were physically at times dominated a little bit. I just don't want to hear the young excuse anymore. We're now into game 21. Last night was the 20th game of the season.

You know, they played a lot of games. They played a lot of big games. But they are among the youngest teams. Fifth youngest in college basketball. But, you know, that's by age, not necessarily class. Anyway, Cowan had the worst game he's had. in a while. They really bottled them up. Cassius Winston was great last night. I mentioned on the podcast that I haven't been overly blown away by him at times, but he played great last night,

and he's apparently played really well recently. I haven't seen many of their games. I did not see them beat Nebraska the other night when he went for 29 and 6, but he was spectacular last night. And Maryland had, you know, it was the final four minutes of the first half that really was the decider. The game was 20 to 20 or 2220, and then Maryland went scoreless over the final four and a half minutes. They pulled Bruno. They pulled Bruno and he wasn't in foul trouble and they got beat up a little bit down the stretch and they turned it over too. That didn't have as much to do with Bruno. I saw all of that last night. Why do you pull Bruno? Well, they were also turning it over offensively. They don't have, they've got a couple of go-to things against man. Now, one of them is

to just run the offense through Bruno in the post or the high post and start it that way. I thought Cowan pushed too much early and they were better there during that stretch when he was off the floor. They're not better without him. They absolutely need him. And they had some looks that didn't go down during the first half that I think it's one of those games. They weren't better.

They weren't going to win the game. But the end of the first half is what doom them. If somehow they could have kept that into a, you know, somewhere in the, the neighborhood of a five-point or less half-time lead instead of it being 11. I think we would have had a more competitive game in the second half. Maryland's not overmatched by Michigan State. They didn't play well last night. And Michigan State played well defensively. They really played well defensively. Maryland, I'll tell you who really, I mean, Wiggins, he really does have some range, man. Right, Aaron? He's got range. And he is, he's their best shooter. And they're going to

be some nights like last night where they're going to desperately need him to, you know, give them a chance to score against a team like Michigan State. Bruno turned it over too much. Sometimes from the post got a little bit, you know, fumbled it a little bit, wasn't strong with the ball. Somebody texted me, Hayden in Virginia, who's one of my favorite people who listens to this podcast and listen to the radio show for years. And he's smart.

I listen to him. we talk all the time and he said that last night that he really felt like it was house money and I think that was a feeling among Maryland fans I don't want them to think that way

I you know Gary never felt and when Gary had it going you never felt like hey this would be nice to have when you went to Duke or Carolina when Maryland had it going you expected to win and you were disappointed

when they didn't win. Not that they always won there. They didn't, but you really felt like you had a chance. I think a lot of Maryland fans went into that game last night thinking they don't have a chance to win, but it's okay because they've built up some ability to be okay with losing this game. That's not an unreasonable possession. Whether it's unreasonable or not, I think it's a mindset that you don't want the program to fall into. I mean, Michigan State.

No, you don't want the coach to think that. I want Maryland to be on the level of Michigan State. And there have been times over the last 20 years where they've been at Michigan State's level, if not exceeded it, you know, in stretches. I know that. And I think it's a better program. Michigan State's a better program. If they were playing. Top six programs, seven program right now.

If they were playing Michigan State at the end of the season, I'm not sure you'd have that same mindset. I mean, I think Maryland fans are looking. like in the NCAA tournament, the Sweet 16? Or like if this game was played in March, I think he's saying. Yeah, what I'm thinking is, I don't think. Oh, going into it. Yeah. I don't think Maryland fans, I think Maryland fans see time to, time to grow, like I talked about.

I don't think, I think they think that this team has an upside that they still have to reach. I think that's a fair point. If this game were, where is the Big Ten tournament this year? Chicago. If this were in the semis in Chicago, I wouldn't, you know, I'd just say, let's go kick their ass. I think most fans would agree with you by then. I did, you know, there was a moment there last night where I thought, oh, my God, the final score could be 80 to 46. But they actually, you know, and Turgeon said this afterwards with Naki, like the way they competed down the stretch.

I know that that's, you know, hollow to a lot of people. But Gary's told me this before. He could tell his good teams from his bat, his teams that weren't as good in games like this, where they probably weren't going to win, but they never, ever thought that they weren't going to win. And because of it, they would, you know, and Maryland had it, they got it to 61 to 50 and had the ball there, Aaron, on that one possession, but still five minutes left or whatever, but whatever. Michigan State was better. Marilyn didn't shoot it well enough.

Marilyn, you know, turned it over too much. I don't even know what their final turnover numbers were. Did they have 15 turnovers in the game? It was around there. I don't know if they quite got to 15. 12. It was the final number. So they only had five in the second half. And they-Rino had five, though. Yeah, and they gave up 13 offensive rebounds after giving up seven in the first half.

And they shot 34.6. I'm sorry, they shot 34.4%. If they'd shot 45%, you know, and made another five or six shots, you got a ball game. So sometimes it comes down to that. I felt like it came down to more than that, though. I didn't, in watching that game, once Michigan State, you know, made that run at the end of the first half, I thought it was going to be really difficult. They were just better. I mean, what? The problem is that we see this pretty much the past, you know, since Turgeon's been there. You talked about Gary, we always believed it. Whenever they've gone on the road to a ranked team, it hasn't even been close. I can't even remember a close game on the road. Michigan, was Michigan ranked

last year when they lost that game? I'm not sure. At the buzzer? That might have been ranked. They might have been ranked, but it's few and far between. I mean, he hasn't beaten a ranked team on the road. Tommy, did you hear that? Did you know that? Yeah, I did. Oh, maybe the coach is, maybe the coach with this team is ready to do that. Maybe this is the team where it all comes together for the coach and the players. Last year, Michigan was ranked 23rd when they lost that close game on the road. The year, no, I know this, I know your statistic is right, but they've had some close, really close calls on the road.

I think more close calls than you think. I remember a lot of games like this as well. Two other quick points from the game last night. I, Izzo's always been one of my favorites. I think I told you this, that the AAU team that I coached most recently, we were called the Spartans. Really? Now, the kids came up with the name, but I threw it out as an option because I've always loved Izo. Everything about what Michigan State is as a basketball team, the toughness, the physicality, the rebounding, the defense, everything.

I just love that. He runs great half-board offense. Isn't there a story out there that he, like early before the season starts and practice, he has his players practice in shoulder pads? Shoulder pads, and he's got some incredibly physically demanding rebounding drills that I've seen before. But the other thing that I love about him is when he has a better team or when he thinks he has a better team, a more talented team. He tries to increase the possessions in the game.

They're not a full court pressure team, but they ran last night. They had 29 fast break points. Half of them came after Maryland made a basket or a free throw. So the bug, Maryland makes a shot. That ball's inbounds and up the court, and they're getting a good look within seven or eight seconds. It's the way I want Maryland to play.

And I've, for several years now, when they've had some pretty good talent. I don't like the low-possession games that they sometimes try to dictate nearly, walking the ball up the court, trying to grind it out, trying to run good half-court offense, which they don't always run,

trying to be good defensively rebound the whole thing. Some of those things are good things, don't get me wrong. But with Cowan and with some of the players and Fernando and the way they've been a good rebounding team this year, good shot-blocking team, that was another thing last night. Jalen Smith looked completely physically overmatched in that game last night. He needs to come back next year.

But I, Maryland should run so much more. They should force running. Cowan would be great even after a made bucket to push tempo, to probe, try to find something early in the shot clock. Because a lot of times you end up, if you run your offense, you know, with a 30-second clock, you're going to end up with something that you could have gotten in the first five seconds by pushing it that would have been better. Yeah.

Anyway, they get Illinois. They gave up a home game to play at Madison Square Garden this weekend against Illinois. There's a ton of Maryland alum in New York. I mean, lots of them. And when they played in Brooklyn and New York against a good opponent, they've had great turnouts. I remember when they played Kentucky and Brooklyn a few years ago. I went to that game.

There was like 8, 9,000 Maryland people in the building. They used to recruit up in Brooklyn all the time. Albert King. Yeah. Albert King was the number one player in America. Yeah. And he got him out of whatever that high school was. in Brooklyn.

Anyway, they get Illinois this weekend, and then they've got some big games left. I guess it was expected. Maryland fans seemed to be fine with losing to Michigan State last night. I wouldn't make too much. I'd like to kick Michigan State's ass the next time we play them, because Maryland, this mindset that we were in in the ACC of, hey, it's Duke and Carolina, but then it's us, you know,

we're the third best program, and they were. Maryland was the third best program in the ACC forever. You know, still to this day, Gary and Lefty are right behind Dean and Shoshowski and Roy in terms of wins. And Maryland is a program is the third winningest program in ACC basketball history. I don't want to be in that in the Big Ten. I don't want to be the second or third best behind Michigan State and Indiana. I don't want to be that. Like, it might as well try to be the best.

and you're going to have to beat Michigan State. You've got to win some games on the road against ranked opponents. Yes, you are. For that to happen at some point. What else do you have today? I got nothing else, boss. Nothing else? I'm itching to get out of here.

I'm itching to head south. I can't wait to hear what the Wizards won yesterday. Yeah, they're playing well. They're playing well without their highest paid player. What do you make of the caps having lost five in a row? Well, here's what I think. I think a lot of teams go through situations. like this. And for Reardon, his job is to come out on the other side without having his team fall

apart. It's to basically keep the team together when they're going through a time like this. I mean, you know, what you don't want is it to deteriorate to the point where players start giving up. Players start, you know, mailing it in. They start maybe backstabbing each other. I don't, not backstabbing, but blaming each other. You don't want that to happen. So he needs to keep that locker room together. They have a veteran leadership. They should be able to.

Do you really think that's a concern of keeping that locker room, a championship locker room together? I just was about to say that probably won't happen, given the veterans they have in that locker room. But again, you're going to go through times like this over the course of an 82 game NHL season. It's how you come out of it that speaks to your ability as a head coach. that, you know, this Eastern Conference that they're in is brutal.

It's really good. Yes, it is. I mean. And you know who's got a really good team in that conference? Barry Trots. Yes, he does. They're in first place. They won again last night.

They've won five in a row. Yeah. They're three points ahead of the Capitol. And Barry Trots outcoached the Capitol's coaching staff when he brought his Islanders down here. How did he do that? Basically, he just basically, you know, the matchups, you know, the power play, the defense and you know what? You know what else? What else? How did he out coach them? Well, there was more traffic in front of the net. That's what I was waiting for. That's all you had to say. There was more

traffic in front of the net. Yeah. Yeah. They play San Jose tonight and then they go Toronto. Then they get Toronto. And then they go on their All-Star break, I think. So, you know. You don't want to go into the All-Star break with, what, seven straight losses? You don't want that. I'm just going to be the first to throw this out. And I know it's insane. it just better not get into a real big losing streak because now all of a sudden the actual playoffs. Oh, come on, they're too good. They are too good.

They're too good. But they're just one point ahead of Pittsburgh for fourth place. I know, I know. Look, you know how the playoffs work, right? No, I'm not familiar with it. I didn't think you did. Top three and then the next best two. Chris Netsoff has been a mystery.

Why? Well, because I think people expected him to emerge this year as a superstar player, as, you know, Alex's Alex Ovechkin's one B, you know, to Ovechkin being 1A. He was the best player in the postseason last year. And I think the expectations have been high and they've dropped them on the lines now. I did see what Clay Thompson did last night. Ten of, I'm thinking it has something to do with the three-point shot.

Yeah, he made ten of eleven. He had 44 points in 27 minutes, Tommy, without shooting free throw. He was only 17 of 20, though, from the floor overall. I mean, he could have been a little bit better there. 10 of 11 from behind the arc. It was an absolute show that he put on against the Lakers. The NBA, it's fantastic. It is fantastic.

It is fantastic. And it is, you know, it's always a drama every night. Did you see there's a story out there that the NBA, whatever their video game is, has become the top-selling sports? sports, video games. This is this. Didn't you tell me that last week? Did I?

Yeah, you did. Well, you know what? Maybe you should go back and listen to that podcast. You know what? That was a good one. It was a great one. The last one you were on, I also listened to yesterday. It was excellent.

All right, thanks to Greg. Thanks to Tommy's going to... Did you just call me Greg? Yes, he did. He called you Greg. Sorry about that, Aaron. That's okay, Billy. Don't worry about it.

I love Greg. Talk to him the other day. We're going to get lunch this week. Anyway, tomorrow Greg Wyshinsky is going to be on the show. That's who you meant, Greg. That, Greg. And J.P. Finley will join us from Mobile, Alabama. And there will be a lot on the show tomorrow because Bruce Allen is expected to speak today at 3 p.m.

I will be listening to that podcast. And then you will call in on Thursday for a very long call-in segment. From New Orleans? On my way to New Orleans. On your way. What's your go-to drink in New Orleans? It's my go-to drink wherever I am. It's beer.

Tommy's a beer drinker. Yeah, I'm a beer drink. Abida, though, in New Orleans, right? Abita in New Orleans? Not really. Just whatever somebody puts in front of me. That's the right answer. Just don't put sweets in front of them.

I'm not particular. Because Tommy does not eat sugar. It's fascinating. You know what? There's two things that happen. People come up to me and want to talk to me about craft beers. And my eyes glaze over. I know wrong.

You know? And they always want to talk to me about cigars. I'm fine with a Budweiser. And I just smoke them. I don't know what, you know, I don't. I'm actually, I'm more surprised that you don't know a lot about cigars. Because you have smoked them forever. You love Shelly's, the cigar bar downtown that you spend more time in probably any place other than home.

And I'm surprised, you've never, I think we had this conversation years ago. you don't know anything about cigars. Not a thing. Not one thing. And you don't really know much about beer either. No. You just drink it. No.

And do you want to know something? What? I've gotten this far with those two rolls. I know. And your cheese sandwich or peanut butter sandwich for lunch. Have a great day, everybody.