The Kevin Sheehan Show - What Would 2-0 Mean?

Episode Date: September 15, 2022

Kevin and Thom bounced around today at the start talking Joe Theismann/A Football Life, Better Call Saul, Roger Federer's retirement, Chiefs-Chargers on Amazon Prime, and more. Then it was a discussion about what a win in Detroit would mean for Washington. What would starting the season 2-0 for the first time since 2011 result in for the Commanders? The guys talked Aaron Judge's home run chase and ended the show with a surprise guest!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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It's big for us if you can rate us and review us, especially on Apple. Tommy, this review from current. Cousins 12 via Apple Podcasts. Kevin, I've never understood why you have always had so much hatred towards Alex Smith. Love the show and all of your opinions on the current sports landscape. Can you please tell us again about being so great at betting college basketball that they limited your action? Enjoy the football season.

I don't have any hatred towards Alex Smith. What are you talking about? No, you just recognize him for his effectiveness. Right. They weren't very good with him on offense as quarterback, but I don't know. I've never had any hatred towards him. In fact, I think during his comeback season, I was much more into some of the performances he had in 2020 than a lot of other people. I remember that, you know, speaking of, I think one of his best performances after the injury was against the last. Lions. The game they lost on the Matt Prater 59-yard field goal at the gun after Chase

Young had a late hit on Matt Stafford and that gave him field goal range. Alex Smith brought him back in that game. He was outstanding. I thought he was really good in that Thanksgiving Day game against the Cowboys. I think his story is an incredible story. I've never had hatreds towards... I think, you know what? Actually, this is where I think, some of you just are, you can be a little bit too sensitive when we're talking about them professionally and, and their performances.

Like when Cooley did his film breakdown, Tommy, and by the way, if you miss Cooley on the podcast yesterday, he did a film breakdown, not in his normal sort of formal manner with grades, etc. But it was really good. Go back and listen to that show. But I remember so many times, like people would, you know, say, God damn, Coolly, you really crush that player. You hate that player. And he would just say, no, I just didn't think he played well in that game.

I actually liked the player, but he didn't play well in that game. I graded him a C-minus because he had a C-minus game. And people just take that. No, I never felt that way about Alex. Here's what people, and people, particularly these days in social media, people react to, this kind of information. Either you're fawning over a guy or you hate a guy.

Yeah. You know? People don't understand like the middle ground where you might like a guy but you're critical of his performance. Right. You know?

Which I think yeah, I think that that happens a lot on this show. But either, but most people are used to fawning or just destroying people. There's no, middle ground. And if you're not fawning for some people, then you hate the guy.

Yeah, there's some truth to that, definitely, for some people. Somebody sent me something this morning, and I didn't get to it actually on the radio show, and I meant to get to it. I'm going to paraphrase it because I closed out the tabs where I had it saved. I should have saved it for the podcast. But basically, it was somebody saying, I don't understand all the hate for Scott Turner. What's the deal? Scott Turner's a really good. coordinator. I'm paraphrasing at this point. And I just thought to myself, you're just kind of making that up. Whoever tweeted that. You love Scott Turner. I mean, well, forget about us. And I've been all over, I've been a Scott Turner, you know, believer, you know, going back to 2020. But I mean,

is there criticism of Scott Turner on occasion? Yeah, but when people's, it's, look, I'm going to bring her up again, sorry, but it's the Taylor Heinekees-Sabah situation. There are people that want to believe that they were on something by themselves so that when the guy blows up into something big, everybody hated the guy. I was the only guy that was supporting him. It was like, I was the only guy saying that Taylor Heineke was a good quarterback. No, you actually weren't the only person. And no, there's not a lot of hate for Scott Turner, not in the world that I'm in.

There has been some, you know, questions as to whether or not he was the right guy at various times. I don't think there's ever been true hate. I think there's much more disbelief in Jack Del Rio. Absolutely. Then Scott Turner, especially now and even last year. Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely.

You're right. So, you know what? I think there's less belief in Ron Rivera right now in this moment. than there is for Scott Turner. How about that? Whoa. Well, you know, if the coach keeps telling you how great as offensive coordinator is, people are going to say, well, why isn't he the coach?

Yeah. Right. Thank you, though, for the review. And as far as being so great at betting college basketball that they limited my action, that is true. But I've brought that up as a way of trying to explain that a lot of people get limited, especially like if in some of, nobody's ever going to really get limited on NFL bets. NFL's really, really hard to bet. Nobody out there that's taking bets from anybody believes that somebody has some sort of inside advantage on

NFL betting. But, you know, college basketball in the middle of February, when you've won for like 16 nights in a row, that could get you limited by, you know, especially by smaller guys, not by legalized places. You're not going to get limited by legalized places. I don't think so. I have no idea how some of the legalized places are actually working. That would seem to be hard to do to say you're too good if we're going to be in the betting business, but you're too good at it, we're not going to let you play. I don't think legal places can do that. I will tell you that I've had some really, really good years gambling.

I've had more bad years. Or even if I've had some really, really good years, they've never made up for the really bad years. So I've preached this over and over and over again. Gambling ain't for everybody. We've had these conversations. And if you can't handle sort of things in moderation, I'd recommend highly against it. But no, college basketball, there's no doubt over the course of my adult life as a sports better. College basketball has been my best sport.

I've had the biggest years I've ever had were massive college basketball seasons where I did very well. I've had some really good football seasons. You know, the smell test has been reflective of years in which I've won, and I've had winning seasons in 11 out of 16 years. But understand that the smell test, they're straight bets, and they don't represent every single bet I may make by the time we get to game time. And I've whipped up a couple of money. line parlay is usually in there as well that usually don't win.

No. Anyway. Hey. But you've lost, you have lost your enthusiasm a little bit. I have. I have. I have. Which is amazing when you think about it is that the rest of the country has finally

caught up to you and you're, you don't want to ride that bus. You don't want to sit in the front of the bus anymore. No, I'm typically ahead of the curve on a lot of things. I've got some new things that I'm working on that I'll share with you that they'll be on five, six years from now. Oh, Tommy. Tommy, I am now almost completely through Better Call Saul. Over the last couple of weeks, I'm now midway through season five. It's so good.

It's really, really good. I really love the show. I can't wait to get back to it. I mean, I'll probably get back to it early. I don't know, maybe early tomorrow morning or. I mean early Saturday or early Sunday morning. I'll watch a couple of episodes, but God, it's so good. And it reminded me when I was watching it last night that Tommy did send me his interview with Jonathan Banks.

You know, Jonathan Banks plays Mike, not only on Better Call Saul, but also on Breaking Bad. And it was really, I listened to it, it's really a good interview. And when I went and took some days off, my intention was to play the interview because Tommy said, go ahead and play the interview. There's some issues in trying to get it into the podcast in really good enough quality from an audio standpoint. So I'm still working on that. So I'm going to play that at some point.

I promise you. And it was really, really, what a nice guy he was. Yeah, yeah. Super nice. He's a regular guy who just made it big. he is a regular guy. No doubt. Hey, tomorrow,

tomorrow, go ahead. And I'm re-watching it. It's so good. I started back from the beginning because it gives you a lot of perspective about Mike, particularly early on. There's a lot more about Mike

in the beginning of the show than there is at the end. Well, there's a lot about Mike at the end of season four and then into season five. troubling, you know, and I'll leave it at that for those that have not, you know, watched it. But, you know, I say I'm almost caught up and I'm pulling this up now. I guess I'm not almost caught up. What am I talking about? It's six seasons. Why didn't I know that? I'm just,

I'm halfway through season five. And there's a season six is the one that just came out like a month ago or a month and a half ago. Yes. Damn. I thought I was on the last season. I'm not. But it's, it's, well, I've got a much longer way to go then. That's fine.

Whatever. How's the, how's the Dragon series going? Is that, you liking that? Haven't watched one episode yet. I watched, no, nope. I watched a little bit of episode one and then I said, nope, I'm going to do this where I can binge it. when it's done. So I'm going to do that when I've heard it's fantastic. It's gotten very, very good reviews. Hey, I wanted to mention something. Tomorrow night, a football life, you know, the football life series by the NFL network,

the Joe Thysman, a football life show is going to premiere tomorrow night at 9 p.m. I'm looking forward to watching that. I actually reached out to Joe because I was thinking, and I'm actually, interested in your opinion on this. You know how when you have somebody on to preview something? You don't know enough about it as the interviewer. And so I reached out to Joe yesterday and I said, look, I want to have you on to talk about this. And I'm sure that, you know, maybe you're in that mode of promoing it. But you're Joe Thaiseman. It's going to get enough promo. I'd rather have you on next week after I've had a chance to watch it. Because I think that this is going to be one of those things where as, you know, a lifelong Redskin fan

and Joe Thysman being one of those quarterbacks, you know, along with Billy and Sonny of my youth, I'm going to really enjoy this and I'd rather talk to him after seeing it. By the way, Joe, I don't think has seen it yet. So I think it's better to talk to him after it, don't you? Yeah. And look, there's no bad time to talk to Joe about it. I mean, Joe will tell you about his football life if he wound him up. Okay?

Yeah, I know that. And it's a great, it's a great, look. I interviewed him at length for my Hail Victory book, and it might be the best interview I did because he was, this was early on where he started telling people he had been an asshole. when he played. Right. Here's a quote. He says,

I was an arrogant little prick when he first started, to be perfectly honest with you. That's what he said. And he's not like that anymore, certainly. Just the opposite. He's very generous and giving

and always willing to talk to anybody. But, yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to that because, you know,

I've had some good conversations. like you have with Joe over the years. He has said the same thing to me before. And I remember, I don't know, maybe it was you and I together. I think it was. I think it was the two of us together that just, you know, came out and said, Joe. Because I think he, in the middle of a conversation, had some criticism about something that somebody tweeted

or something somebody put on Facebook. And I just said, Joe, let's be honest here. how insufferable would you have been if you had played in an era of social media? And he just started laughing and he said, oh my God, you're so right. I would have been the worst. I would have been the worst. And I think, you know, Joe's gotten older and there's a lot of self-reflection on his career. And look, when he got to Washington, Billy and Sunny were here and they hated Joe.

That was his first experience here. So I wonder, you know, I've read kind of previews of it. Doc is on it. Art Monk, Mark Mosley, Joe Gibbs. And by the way, Lawrence Taylor, apparently L.T. and Thysman went back to RFK Stadium for part of this football life special to the scene of the crime. The, you know, the career-ending leg break. Yeah. And I'm really interested in hearing that part of it.

And then talking to Joe about how that came about, like in what it was like for LT and Joe to walk into that stadium together. I mean, that was Joe's final game as an NFL player. I was there that night. That's one of the eerieest things. But remember, like, we knew it was serious in the crowd. But back then, it's not like you're on your phone getting. updates from the beat reporters on Twitter.

But what most people had, and I did this as well, I had, you know, a handheld transistor radio where I would listen to Frank Sonny and Sam when I was at the games. And so it came across, you know, a little while after the fact. But, you know, you didn't see the replay necessarily. Some people had some of those handheld televisions, you know, those little television things. Yeah. And I think there was sort of a groan in the crowd. But the funny thing about that game is that night, Jay Schrader came in.

And the first play after Joe's injury was a long pass to Art Monk that he completed. And the crowd went nuts. And they won the game that night. They won the game. They beat the Giants. I want to say 23, 21. I'm looking up the score right now. I think that's what it was.

is 1985 Giants 2321, got it right and Schrader in relief was 13 of 20 for 221 yards and a touchdown

in what would have been a quarter and a half, right? Because it happened early in the second quarter, I believe. And they won the game 23-21 against a very, you know, good giant team that night. I'm looking forward to watching that for sure. Let me just share this one last thing with you.

This is what Joe told me about Billy and Sonny and their hatred of him. People don't realize that Billy and Sunny were friends because of me. They have been friends for over 30 years, and it was their mutual hate for me that made them friends. I know that. one night at the dancing crab, the two of them made a pact. In the beginning, George favored Billy over Sonny, and everyone knew Sunny was the better throw of the football and just more productive with the ball. I don't think they were the best of friends at the time,

but they went out to dinner that night and made a pact that as long, that it didn't matter who played as long as I didn't play. I was referred to as him, quote, as long as, quote, him wasn't playing, they were fine. I'm glad I was able to put two friends together. It was very rewarding to create a bond between two guys that has lasted as long as their effect. Wow. Wow.

I mean, that's tough. I mean, and Joe, you know, Joe came to town. He was a punt returner, but he was, you know, he was outspoken. He opened up a restaurant. You know, I mean, he was a celebrity. remember he was a big time college star at Notre Dame. Yeah, I've lived through that. I know.

The Isman rhymes with Heisman. I've lived through that. They changed the pronunciation of his last name. The real pronunciation is Theisman. Yeah, let's remember one thing about Joe. This will come out, I'm sure, in the football life. Besides all the hoopla, on the field, he was a badass. And his teammates had tremendous respect.

for his guts and his leadership on the field. That is a true statement. Doc, the way Doc and even Rigo, who, you know, I'm sure rolled his eyes many times that things Joe said or did, he was his quarterback and Rigo knew and it said. I mean, he was the quarterback and he was damn good in one hell of a leader. You know, and look, Joe's response. The 80, 40 years ago, 40 years ago this week, I bet, is probably the week that the league went on strike.

I'm going to look that up right now for you, Tommy. The 82 skins, open with Philadelphia, and then played Tampa in Week 2 in a rainstorm. Okay, September 12th was the opener against the Eagles. September 19th was the final game of that year, and they went on strike after that and didn't come back. until November 21st. Just so everybody's not confused, this was not the scab player year. That was 87. The NFL took two months off. There was no NFL football on Sundays. It was horrible, by the way, for us. And Washington had won their first two games. They had beaten the Eagles in overtime, 37-34, and they beat the Buccaneers in a driving rainstorm in Tampa, 2113, and they were 2-0. And they had finished

the year before winning eight of their final 11 games after the 0 and 5 start under Gibbs in his first season to finish 8 and 8. So now they had won 10 of their last 13 regular season games. I'm going to tell you right now, Tommy, there was some optimism for the season, but not much. There was no expectation of like a big year going into 82. The Cowboys were still the team. The 49ers had won the Super Bowl the year before. The Eagles were good. They still had Jaworski and company and Dick Vermeel coaching them. And then the strike started, and Thysman was responsible for gathering the team and leading the team to a high school field to practice during the strike.

And they came back and they were ready. and they finish that regular season, you know, 8 and 1, the only loss of the Cowboys, and then the very famous playoff run of Detroit, Minnesota, and then still to this day the greatest single sporting event in terms of crowd atmosphere I've ever been to, which is the championship game against the Cowboys after the 1828. That may be the greatest three weeks in the history of Washington Sports. It was great. Because it all happened, it all happened at home.

All happened at home. Now, there are other Super Bowl trips were all home playoff games, too. 72 season, which is 50 years ago now, was a, you know, their first Super Bowl season, they played both games at home. The 87, well, the 87 season, they played on the road and won at Chicago,

and then came home and played Minnesota and beat Minnesota, who had upset San Francisco in the NFC championship game. And then 91 when they went to the Super Bowl and won it was best record in football, both games at home. They played in the NFC title game against the Giants, but they did not win that game and didn't win the Super Bowl that year. But anyway, I'm looking forward to watching Joe in this football life. I think my favorite of the Redskins football life specials is Dexter Manly's. Riggos is really, really good.

so is Joe Gibbs football life special but I think Dexter's was my favorite that was incredibly moving the entire thing what a life you know Dexter's had I'm talking about the Redskin football life specials

I think the Lombardi stuff and God there was another word the Joe Namath ones were great the Joe Namath one yeah okay Joe Namath is the

last guy on my list. I had four icons that I pretty much worship growing up. One of them was Muhammad Ali. The other was Willis Reed. One was Tom Seaver. And Joe Namath

was the fourth. Now, I wound up spending a lot of time with Ali at his training camp in Deer Lake. I spent an afternoon with Willis Reed, interviewing him for a sport magazine story, I did about him and Wes Unsfeld. I hit against Tom Seaver for crying out loud.

He told me about that. But I've never met Namath. I mean, that's the one that it kind of nods at me. I've never met NamUs. One of the most enjoyable conversations, two of the most enjoyable conversations I've ever had, and I wasn't really a part of the conversation, but I was sitting in the conversation, was Rigo interviewing Namath, first of all, on the show that I did with John back in, you know, from 2006 through 2008, the show that I did with him and Gary Braun. We had Namath on.

And then at a Super Bowl, Namath sitting down with Rigo and the two of them for 25 minutes talking about the days in New York. That was so much fun. And it's like, you know, it's Namath. And Rigo is a pretty big star, but I was working with him. I was kind of used to Rigo. But Namath really, you know, at any point has always been one of the great all-time stars in the history of sports, period. Speaking of a star, Roger Federer just retired. He just announced his retirement from tennis, 20 grand slam titles, 41 years old.

It was expected that he was going to come back, but apparently he said the injuries and the surgeries he just knows now is the right time. I think it's such an interesting conversation, and I know that a lot of you couldn't care less about this conversation. I do think out of Fed, Nadal, and Djokovic, Fed is the greatest of all time. And I may be disproven by that. You know, Nadal's numbers obviously are now the greatest in the history of the sport of those three. He's got 22. Jokovic has 21 and I think Fed's got 20. I don't know if there's ever been a more graceful player to watch on a tennis court than Roger Federer.

I mean, Borg was, you know, Tommy way back in the day. Sampras Fed, McEnroe in terms of just pure talent and ability, but he wasted a lot of that by not being a hard worker and partying far too hard. But I think Federer might be the greatest tennis player, men's tennis player I've ever watched. retired today. 41 years old. It's amazing how much older they're going in tennis. When at one point in that sport, Bjorn Borg retired at the age of 26 years old,

and 28, 29 was considered to be over the hill. Okay, I want to get to the conversation of what it would be like if Washington wins Sunday and they were 2-0. Also a little bit about the matchup with Detroit. We'll get to that when we come back right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the podcast is presented by My Booky Chargers Chiefs tonight, Tommy, in the Amazon Prime first game of the year. And it's a big one, a huge AFC West Battle.

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the only way to get this game is to have Amazon Prime and to be able to stream it. What was the conversation about and what did a young group of students think? I'm assuming that they have figured out their own ways to watch this game, probably not even using Amazon. Well, yeah, one thing, apparently it's free on Twitch. If you watch Twitch. Okay.

You know? Yeah. So, and I've tried watching Twitch. I've been unable to bring myself to do it for any length of time. Because it's, again, it's a world that exists out there that people use to communicate and consume all kinds of product, including sports product, that I don't have any clue about. Yeah, I mean, most, I mean, I don't think. there's a kid in our class that has cable, their own cable. Either they're signed on to their parents' cable or they don't have any.

So I don't think there's one actual cable customer in a class of 14 or 15. I mean, they live by streaming. It's the world that they're already used to. So they don't understand. They don't necessarily aren't awed by what a big deal it is, But if you grew up watching, you know, over to top television, I mean, regular TV. Broadcasting. And then cable TV, yeah, and now this.

I mean, it's a dramatic moment in the sports communication business. And I'm sure there's a lot of nervous executives out there because streaming is still a much more in-exact science than cable television. I mean, you know, things go wrong. Especially for live programming. Yes. And especially if you have so many people all tuned in to your stream, you know, as they expect tonight. So it'll be a test, and I'm sure it'll be things that will go wrong. Al Michael is calling the game, right?

Al Michaels and Kirkh, Curb Street are your Thursday night crew on Amazon Prime. Yeah. You just reminded me. You just reminded me. They ran this, they ran a game a couple of years ago on Amazon Prime. It was a late regular season Saturday afternoon game. And it was off. Like the audio and the video wasn't right. They had technical glitches during the game. Interesting. They better have it right tonight. Yeah. But I read this. Or else they're going to be given a lot of money back. advertisers. I read this story and I think it was in the journal. I just cut and paste it and email it to myself because just some some key parts to it. Because I think it's, there are a couple of

things that I think are interesting. Number one is, did you know that right now the fastest growing segment of people who are streaming are 50 years old and older? I bet you didn't know that. Well, you know, I didn't know that, but in a way it makes sense because of the one thing that we, One of the subjects that we constantly talk about are new television programming and watching new television programming. And that's all on Netflix and Amazon and Hulu. Exactly. And the pandemic sped up that process because people over the age of 50 were obviously

more concerned with the pandemic. They hunkered down more than younger people. and they became Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime junkies during the pandemic. Did you know that there is a soap opera Days of Our Lives, which I remember my grandmother watching when I was a kid. The show's been around for 50 years on NBC. It might be the longest running soap opera there is. I don't know if that's true or not.

In college, I watched a lot of General Hospital. I will tell you that, Luke and Laura. Mine was One Life to Live. That was my soap opera in college. Well, the ABC lineup when I was in college, was all my children, one life to live, and General Hospital. General Hospital became very much kind of a pop culture phenomenon with Luke and Laura and their wedding and everything. But anyway, I digress. Days of Our Lives, 50-year-old soap.

opera on NBC has moved to Peacock streaming. I mean, that's pretty amazing because nothing says broadcast only television, maybe more than a soap opera for a lot of, you know, older people. I assume they're older people that watch soap operas now. I mean, clearly it was a female demographic primarily for many years. And then dancing with the stars, which, by the way, I've never really. gotten into and watched is now on streaming. It's on Disney Plus after apparently decades long run on ABC.

But real quickly, back to the NFL going to streaming only. This isn't any different in terms of what the NFL is thinking than when in 1987 they went to ESPN for a new product. which was Sunday night football. Football was not a Sunday night product until 1987, and it aired on ESPN, and many people, like half the country at least, did not have ESPN as part of a basic...

They didn't have cable. Now, I was talking about it this morning on radio. As a college student in College Park, I'm pretty sure I'm right about this, and somebody did tweet me and say, Yes, PG County had it long before Montgomery County. I knew that. I think PG County was one of the first areas in the DMV.

It wasn't called the DMV back then. It was just called the D.C. Metro area. Back then, PG County was like the first to get basic cable. And being a college student in College Park, of course, we got cable and we got ESPN. So we didn't miss any of those Sunday night games when they started airing in 87. but it was a big risk because half the country really wasn't able to watch Sunday night football. Now, what they did back then, which is what they're also doing with Amazon, if your home team is playing in a game, it's going to be on broadcast TV.

So when Washington plays Chicago on Thursday night football in October, which was the game I predicted to be a tie, that game will be on, I don't know what it'll be on. You know, it'll be on Channel 4, Channel 7, channel nine, channel five, one of them. It'll be on broadcast TV. But ESPN, a few years after 1987 was in every home. It wasn't that long after 87 that basic cable was everywhere. And ESPN was a part of basic cable. By the way, they also put NFL Sunday night games eventually in the early 90s, if I recall, maybe late 80s. After ESPN, they put them on TBS.

there was like a two or three year window where they put games on TBS. So anyway, tonight. Now, I know this is not as big a deal for you, but in the business of sports broadcasting, this is a big deal. All the Major League Soccer games, all of them, will be streamed via Apple TV starting next year. But not the World Cup games. That's on Fox, right?

No, no, no. MLS. Yeah. Actually, what... Are the World Cup games? Well, yeah, I mean, MLS isn't... I don't think the MLS is drawing the numbers that the Premier League is on Sunday mornings. I think the...

No, no, it probably isn't. But they're not going to show... You're not going to be able to find an MLS game on network TV. I won't be looking. You don't have the Apple TV app to get it. I won't be looking. I know you won't. That's still a pretty dramatic leap.

Yeah. you know, for them to do. And here's the other problem. You know, bars and restaurants and stuff, they don't have Amazon Prime. I don't think Amazon Prime, you know, you're wrong about that. I think the story I read said, let me find if I... No, no, no, no. Let me finish. Okay, sorry.

Amazon Prime made a deal with direct TV. So the games can be shown via direct TV. Okay. To the bars and restaurants and stuff that's... have them. Don't most bars and restaurants have direct TV that are sports bars? No. Sports bars. I know a couple that have reached out to me that said,

how am I going to get this game? And I'd say, well, you know, on direct TV, they say, we don't have that. Okay. So there'll be some patrons, they'll say, turn on the game and they're not going to get the game. Oh, well, there are going to be a lot of people tonight that say, oh, Thursday night football chiefs chargers, and they're going to go looking for it. And they're, where is it? What do you mean, I have to get Amazon Prime? They're going to be a lot of those people because people don't, most people don't pay attention to all of this stuff.

They don't pay attention to the fact that the NFL is going to make like $100 billion on their new TV deal over the next 10 years. They don't understand that. But they'll understand it tonight. By the way, the World Cup is on Fox and FS1 when it starts in November. Good. We'll be able to watch people getting dragged out of the stadium and locked up for three years for having a flask of alcohol in their pockets. Bringing a flask into a game was a commonplace thing for many. I am pretty sure that at one point in time, I had a flask of probably some brown liquor bringing that into a game at RF.

which, by the way, there was no frisking. There was no empty your stuff here and go through this detector at all. All right. So Washington plays Detroit on Sunday. And I had a guy on from Detroit this morning, and he said this is a massive game for the Lions because there were some expectations for Detroit this year. You know, a lot of people felt like Detroit was going to be an improved team. They played really well down the stretch last year.

Dan Campbell's first year. Even the games they lost when they were 0 and 8 or 08 and 1 were a lot of close losses. And then they were the subject of hard knocks this summer. So there was a lot of momentum for the Lions. And they played a very good game against the Eagles on Sunday. They lost 38 to 35. They generated close to 400 yards of offense. Now they were down 17 in the fourth quarter. but they move the football. They're explosive offensively with DeAndre Swift is an absolute, you know, coming star in this league, and they've got good skill position players. But the guy from Detroit said, this is a must win.

It's week two. It's a must win. We go to Minnesota the following week, and the stadium was completely sold out for the Philadelphia game. He said it wasn't sold out yet for Sunday's game, but it'll be close to a sellout for Washington. and they're viewing this as a must win. Because 0-2 after the excitement,

and then you go to Minnesota, potentially 0-and-3, and you feel like the season's over. You're off to the same start, and he said, Dan Campbell's going to be questioned. Right now, Dan Campbell is really, you know, a guy that's excited the Detroit Lion fan base. Now, for Washington, we looked at this when the schedule came out, Jacksonville and Detroit.

They gave him a chance in this year of a new. new name and new branding and the whole thing to start off 2-0. They haven't started off 2-0 since 2011. When they opened up with a win over the Giants on the 10-year anniversary of 9-11, that was Ryan Carrigan's first game. He scored a touchdown in that game. And then they beat the Cardinals in week two. They had two home games to start the year.

They actually were very close to starting 3-0. They lost 18 to 16 on a Monday night in week 3 of down. Dallas, and then Rex got hurt, and, you know, it was the John Beck Rex thing the rest of the year, and they went five and 11 not too good. What would it mean to this team who had a decent crowd, an enthusiastic crowd Sunday, to come home against Philadelphia in week three, two and oh, especially if it's another really promising performance offensively. it would be very important in the sense that more people who refer to Washington commanders would be drawn to come out for that Sunday game if they were 2 or 0. Because you know if the Eagles are 2 and 0, there's going to be a huge Philadelphia contingent at that game. And if Washington loses to Detroit, some interest will just.

drop off fans saying, well, I'm not showing up. And they're going to get killed by the Eagles. I'm not going to this game. You know, but if they're 2-0, then I think you probably generate some more curiosity, people willing to buy tickets to show up for the game. So in that sense, in terms of the home crowd, it could have some difference if they go in 2-0 as opposed to 1-1 against the Eagles.

And, you know, I mean, we made the crowd a big story about the first week of the year. And I think it was because of the new brand. The new, I mean, the new brand, I think made the crowd and the crowd reaction a big part of the week one story. But again, let's not get crazy here. They were still last in the league in home attendance for their home opener. Yeah, I guess people forgot that. I mean, that's putting it in perspective, but really the comparison is the enthusiasm to recent crowds. And by the way, the size of the crowd to recent crowds.

You know what I haven't seen yet? And I sent our good friend John Orrin a text message, but I haven't heard back. I'm curious as to what the local television number was on Sunday, East Jacksonville. But let me just tell you something that I learned from a team source this morning, because I was talking about the Philadelphia game, and I reached out to somebody and they got back to me and they said you can say that it was a team source rather than just guessing on it. They're expecting right now to have a really, really good crowd for the Philadelphia game. They're expecting over 60,000 for the Philadelphia game.

Now, here's another thing. And I just, I asked, I said, what is capacity? Because Tommy, it's been changing. You know, obviously it's been going down, down, down, and down. Last year, I think it was like 70 or 68. Apparently, I guess it was 67, but I was told that really the capacity is less than that now. I don't know. Well, you know.

Go ahead. The attendance was 58,000 and change. That's the pay attendance. I think there were less people there. Yeah, there was. I was told probably closer to 50. Because there were a lot of empty seats. on the top deck.

Yeah, almost all out there was told, yes. Yeah, yeah. But still. Yeah. And again, those 60,000, that crowd they're expected for a Philly game, I would think that reaction changes based on what they do against Detroit. Yeah, now. I think if people bought tickets for that Philly game and they lose the Detroit,

I think some people say, oh, screw it, I'm going to sell my tickets. I'm not going. I think so here's what I wanted to bring up the two and oh start. I think it would be huge for them, definitely. But I think they've already avoided the disaster. Now, if they were to get pummeled by Detroit, that would be, you know, that would add some context to it. But I think they've already, by winning and coming back and Carson Wentz leading two big time drives and throwing two, you know, big time touchdowns after, you know, two interceptions, I think they've already avoided the disaster. scenario, which was losing to the Jags at home, and then potentially losing in week two to the

Lions. I agree. I agree with you about that. That's why it was more important not to lose this game against Jacksonville than it was to win it. Yeah. A loss, especially after having a double-digit lead, if 22 to 14 had held up and Jacksonville won that game, it would have been an utter disaster. Yeah, it would have been.

So I think you're right. Even if they're one-in-one, you know, that's sort of business as usual. That's not necessarily disaster. Now, so I think they've avoided disaster. And I think that the crowd for the Philadelphia game, and I'm sure that there are a lot of Philadelphia fans that have bought tickets for that game. I'm not suggesting that they're not. But I think you're going to see a lively, lively atmosphere and crowd, you know, next Sunday, a week from Sunday against the Eagles, regardless of what happened. against Detroit.

Now, if they beat Detroit, now you've got a build-up for a game against the Eagles that becomes, wow, this is going to be for first place in the division. This is a massive early-season game in the NFC East.

The Cowboys are after that, and the Cowboys are going to be starting Cooper Rush at quarterback, and already the Cowboys have been discounted. Their 20-22 season for a lot of people is over already with back out four weeks, which might be more than that. You beat Detroit. You look good again offensively. Wentz has another big day statistically. And you've got one of the biggest home games early in the season you've had in years, years, even as the commanders. Now, who's that going to appeal to?

Well, probably a lot of the people that were at the game in week one. But you'll add to that list. you'll add people to it. I agree. A 2-0 showdown against NFC East Division rivals will get a lot of hype. Oh, yeah. I mean, the whole Carson Wentz playing against the Eagles will get hype as it is. You know, so yeah, that would be a very hype game if they go in, if they both teams go into a 2-0. I mean, look, the seasons have been disastrous, you know, one, two,

and six last year, one in five the year before, 0 and five the year before that. The 2018 team, you know, with Alex Smith, okay, and they got off to a really good start. They were five and two in that season. And he, you know, the offensively, they weren't very good. Sorry, I'm criticizing Alex Smith in the offense from 2018. I don't hate Alex Smith at all. I think he's one of the, it's one of the great stories that we've seen in recent years. but they were not a very good offensive team in 2018. You know, they beat the Cardinals and then lost to the Colts at home and then beat the Packers with Aaron Rogers basically, you know, with one limb in that game.

But it was, you know, there was some excitement early in that year. I'll tell you this, I thought that their five and two start. They were doing things that they hadn't done in a while, which was they were winning the games against the team. they should win against. And, you know, then everything imploded that day against Houston with the injury. And then, you know, the season ended up being, what was that season? Seven and nine?

Six and ten or seven and nine? Seven and nine, I think it was. Because they beat Jacksonville there at the end of the year. But it would just be nice for this franchise because it's been so rare. even when they've made runs to the postseason like they did in 2020. That's been a late season out of nowhere backdoor run. You know, in 2020, it was because the division was so awful. It would just be so healthy for them for once to be sitting there at 6 and 2 or 8 in 1,

or how about just 3 in 1 or 4 in 1? Something like that. You beat Detroit Sunday and then you've got this massive game against 5.5. Philadelphia, and then right now a game on the road against Dallas that looks winnable. Yes. It would be good for everybody, including content providers on the team. But I think Detroit's going to be quite the challenge, and I think they are the desperate team. Washington, I'm telling you right now, they're going to have to stop DeAndre Swift,

and I know he was on the injury report yesterday for Detroit, but the guy out of Detroit said there's no concern. He's playing. and they've got weapons. They've got weapons, and that's without Jameson Williams. This is a team that can move the football, but Washington should be able to move it against Detroit as well. So this could be a high-scoring game. Detroit is a pretty aggressive.

From what I've read, the Lions are an aggressive defensive team. They blitzed more than anybody in week one. They blitzed more than anybody in week one, but Washington really held up well against the Jacksonville extra man pressure. when they came, and they came in crucial spots in the fourth quarter, and Washington did an excellent job. But yeah, Detroit's going to go for it. That's because Jacksonville, Jacktivale waited too long to bring the pressure on cars, and they should have started it right right from the get-go. Well, when they brought the pressure against him at the end, he crushed it.

He threw two touchdown passes and it had a big third-down, a couple of big third-down conversions. Right. Well, they were already losing, what, 14 to 3. I'm talking about it at the end of the game. With Washington down eight, Jacksonville came with pressure and Wentz crushed it. I don't think, and I don't think the pressure would have been a big risk. Couldn't have been any worse than it was for them for Jacksonville the first half. Let me just say this.

They had bought pressure and got crushed. Detroit got burned, blitzing Jalen Hertz, because Jalen Hertz rushed for nearly 100 yards. So he burned them with his legs. And he's not going to do that. You know, he's not the same. you know, mobile, from a mobility standpoint that he was a few years ago. And let's have a shout out to the Lions here for a second. Why?

The Lions, they haven't won an NFL championship since 1957. They are arguably the worst franchise in the league for the past 60 years. And they sell out, their home opener. I mean, that's just stunning. Yeah, they haven't done that a lot over the years. But the hard knocks thing, and they're finished last year and the excitement over Dan Campbell, help them. By the way, the Lions have only won one playoff games since 1957.

All right, they beat the Cowboys in 1991, and then came to RFK for the NFC Championship game and got beat 41 to 10. Just one playoff game. Now, since 2000, this century, the lions and the dolphins have no playoff wins. Washington and Cleveland have just won this century. That's not very impressive because the playoff win that they got over the lions after the 99 season is considered a 1990 season playoff win. If they had won the Super Bowl that year, the Crest should have read 1999, even though the postseason. was played in 2000.

All right, do you have a prediction for Sunday since you won't be on the show tomorrow? Yes, I have Detroit winning 31 to 23. 31.23 to 23. I think Carson Wentz is sacked four times. All right. My prediction will come tomorrow with a lot more as well. I just want to ask you one thing before we have a surprise guest in our final segment of the show today. Do you think that the Aaron Judge home run, where he's on 57, he did not homer last night,

that his home run season right now is getting the attention it deserves. It feels to me like it's very much flying under the radar. I wanted your impression of that. Well, yeah, it is. It is flying under the radar. For one reason, because the Yankees are tanking. as a team. There's no chase going on.

It's not like McGuire and Sosa where anyone's chasing him. Or even Mantle Maris in 61, where the two and them chased each other until the final weeks of the season when Mantle got hurt. So there's not the elements of what has produced,

you know, a lot of publicity in the past. And, you know, we have a generation where hit 50 plus home runs in a year, thanks to the steroid era, it's not that big of a deal. But this isn't a 50 plus. This is him going for what I believe you would consider to be the home run record,

the single-season home-run record, which is Roger Maris' 61 in 61. This is going for, he's on paced to hit 65 right now. He's on paced to hit 65 right now. Yeah, but he's at 57 right now. I know that, but this isn't a 50. He's going to end up with 60 plus. Okay.

He probably will. I'm just telling you why I don't think it's getting much attention. Okay. 57 home runs for people who have watched baseball for the last 20 years is not as uncommon as it was when we were growing up. And it was unheard of. Yeah, but we haven't seen somebody threaten 60 since the Sosa-McGuire-Bonds days, the steroid days. Right. right but these are the baseball fans that are watching the game now they grew up in that era

so i just don't think it generates as much interest i think once he passes roger marris then the whole debate about what the record is that will generate interest okay so let's talk about that you believe that the home run single season record is roger maris's 61 and 61 right yes so yes i do i mean bond bonds bonds his record to me is it will legitimate record, the 73 home runs in one season for a guy who hit 49 home runs the year before. Right. And never hit, never hit even 50 in a season before that, right? Am I right about that? I think I am. No, that's right. 49 went to career high. Yeah. Yeah. And the reason, again, when people, you know, like try to defend Barry bonds, and, you know, like, a lot of guys use steroids during the steroid era because their careers were on a

decline because they were trying to win a job or save their job. It may have been wrong, but at least you can sympathize with the motivation. Barry Bonds used steroids because he was jealous of McGuire and Sosa. That's why. He was jealous of the attention they were getting. And they got a lot of attention. Yeah. And it was good for baseball at the time.

I mean, that's what a shallow human being, Bons is. He cheated out of jealousy. And he cheated. He admitted he used steroids in grand jury testimony. He said he didn't know what he was taking, and I don't believe that, but he did admit he took steroids when he was questioned in a grand jury investigation for Balco. Balco Labs. You know, McGuire later on has already admitted that he used steroids. You know, Sosa hasn't admitted it, but, you know, he has.

zero credibility. And so, I mean, people say to me, well, you don't know if judges use it or not. And I say, no, I don't. I don't know. I know that testing is much stricter now than it was back then. There was virtually hardly any testing done back then. And I don't know how legitimate Aaron judge's home run record would be. But I know who did use.

And I can disqualify their record. So this is why. So to me, yes. So this is why I'm wondering, he's about to set in your mind the home run record, the all-time home-run record. By the way, it will be the all-time American League record, you know, when he passes Maris this year, regardless of what you think about Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, etc. It will be the American League record. Why aren't you more into this? Well, because it's the Yankees.

So what? Jesus Christ. What do you mean? What do you mean? So what? You're a Hall of Fame baseball voter and writer. This is going to be the single-season home run record. It just doesn't seem like you're into it.

It's going to happen. I'm not that into it. It's going to happen. I'm not that into it. To be honest with you, he's not the MVP. Oh, he's got a change. He's the MVP. You know, you're probably right, but you know, he's threatening still the triple crown

as well. Not only could he, might he set the all-time American League and for people like you, the all-time home run record, you know, he's leading in RBI's home runs, and I think he's second or third and batting average right now. He's got a chance to do. The triple crown might do it, but what Otani is doing is we've never seen before. Here's the other thing about Judge. Here's the other thing about Judge before you continue on Otani. is putting the, you're right about like there's not a chase here. Schwaburber right now is at 37 home runs, 20 home runs behind Judge. The biggest differential between number one and number two in home runs for a season,

you've got to go back to all of the Babe Ruth seasons. And I understand you're going to tell me that nobody else hit home runs back then. I understand that. But Babe Ruth twice in 1921 and 1920, there was a 35 home run differential. And 21, 27 and 21 for Ruth, 27 he hit 60. In 21, I think he hit 59, Tommy. You can help me on that. I was reading a lot about this yesterday and I don't have this story in front of me.

But, you know, basically, like the next closest guy at 35 would have been for a 59 home run season. You know, we're talking about, you know, 24 home runs. You know, so no one else was hitting home runs. back then. So this differential is really significant this year. Yes, it is. I just don't know why you're not into Aaron Judge's season right now. Okay, because he's the Yankees. Personally, I don't care. I mean, I'm interested in it as a reporter, as a baseball writer,

but personally, the Yankees are abhorrent to me. You know, they disgust me. Okay. I mean, that's how I was raised. I was raised to hate the Yankees. Were you... That doesn't go away. Do you remember anything about the Mara 61 season?

No, that's when I just started, vaguely remember watching, you know. I remember, I tell you what, I went to a baseball game at Yankee Stadium that year. I know, you told me. I don't even remember it. You told me it wasn't with your father, right? No, it was. It was my dad took me. They were playing the Kansas City Athletics.

our insurance guy who got tickets to go see the Yanke. So that's the only reason we went. Otherwise, we never go see the Yanke. And I'm sure I saw Roger Maris play that year in 61. I just don't remember it. Okay, well, maybe I can get you interested in this Aaron Judge Chase for what would be the all-time home run record for a single season for those that discount all of the, you know, Bonds-Maguire Sosa stuff.

In the next couple weeks, by the way, the Yankees have won four games in a row. So they're playing better right now, and they have increased their lead to six games over Toronto. By the way, here's something else when I was going through. What got me really interested is I was, I read something about Judge, and then I was listening to a Mad Dog yesterday on XM Serious talk about this with a guest. I didn't realize until yesterday that this is the first year of an expanded postseason in Major League Baseball. I said to you the other day that we're not going to get the Padres and the Phillies. We're not going to get Sosa and Harper into the postseason.

Well, yeah, we are because the postseason is expanded. They're both going to be, you know, it's the it's going to be the three division winners and then the next three best records. and the top two teams division records will have buys, and then the four seed through the three, four, five, and six seed will play a best of three in the higher seeded teams park to advance to the divisional round. Did you know that? Yes. Well, you didn't say that to me the other day when I said we're only going to get either the Phillies.

We're not going to get all the X-Nats in the postseason because the Padres are out. They're behind at Philly right now, but actually they're both in. I'd have to listen to you all the time to respond. I don't think you really knew about the postseason change. Sometimes I don't do that, you know? We've got a special guest right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, a special guest to finish up, Tommy, the podcast today, something that we've been attempting to do, talking about doing for a while now,

because you've got to go all the way back to February 16th of earlier this year when this podcast was named the number one rated sports podcast in the D.C. Metro area by the D.C. Sports Podcast Association, which we didn't even know existed at the time. But Brian Chesnik from Annapolis has been running and has been running this nonprofit organization for years now. and Brian is with us. Brian, how are you? Thanks so much for acknowledging the podcast. That was quite the surprise. Hi, Kevin. Tom, great to be speaking with you. This podcast is the best because one day you have real heavy hitters like Scott Van Pelt, Steve, Stans, Stanford Steve, Kirch, and Wilbon, John Orand, and then you have a guy like me, the D.C. Sports Podcast Association. In all seriousness. So I forget what it was.

Didn't Tommy suggest that we should start, like he and I should start some sort of podcast association and start giving ourselves awards? Is that? Yes. Wasn't that it? I think it was. Yeah.

You had a show. Yeah. You had a show about the ratings in the area. And then Tommy said, we need to create the D.C. Sports Podcast Association and then give each other awards. And so I was listening, and it was, I think, the week after the Super Bowl, and it was, you know, it's cold and miserable around here. The Terps weren't doing so good, not going to make the tournament.

And I said, you know, I'm going to make them laugh. I'm going to do this, you know, the kids called it a burner account. I'm going to create this podcast association, and I'm going to name them the number one for the month of January. And so when you guys talked about it a couple days later, I was laughing hysterically that you guys. actually ran with it, but it was pretty funny. Here's the thing. You know, it may have been, you know, a stabic humor. But, you know, there's a lot of jealousy in the local podcast business.

There is? We don't necessarily, yes, we don't necessarily get the recognition that is due us. So this was very important for us to get this. I mean, look, we just got shut out the Emmy Awards for like, I don't know what, the fifth or six year in a row. So this honor, you know, I know it may have been started as a lark, but it makes something to us because, you know, we have so many enemies out there that are trying to shoot us down. I know you got the number one spot. A lot to live up to. It is.

Yeah. You know, you can follow the DC Sports Podcast Association. by the way on Twitter. I don't know if Brian even pays attention to it anymore, but you do have 202 followers now. It's at DC underscore Sports underscore PA. And, you know, the first tweet was us winning in January. And then the second tweet and pretty much the last tweet came a month later

where Brian and the DC Sports Podcast Association tweeted out still reviewing the numbers before announcing the number one ranking for February 2020. but early computations suggest Sheehan podcast leading the DMV in scrapped podcasts due to breaking quarterback news involving commanders. Of course, that was the Carson Wentz period of time. Yeah. And I had another one a couple months later about rumors of a breakoff, a spin-off podcast, the question of law, because it seemed there for a month or so.

You guys were just discussing legal issues of the local football team. So I'm still waiting to get confirmation if that's, you know. You actually created a logo for it. And I'm looking at it right now, the Monday morning QL podcast, which is Question of Law, starring Sheehan Levero, Gutman and Neil from Rockville, Attorney at Law. Howard Gutman, that would be. Yeah, we've had Howard and Neil on a lot. But you know how it goes, Brian.

Once the season starts, it's like, unless there's something big, everybody's dialed in on the games. You're a fan of the team, right? You're a fan of the team? Yes. So what do you think of him so far? I'm cautiously optimistic. I mean, I wasn't a big fan of the Wentz move.

He looked decent week one. Some of the turnovers were questionable. but he does have the big arm. He opens up a lot to keep the other defense is honest. So I'm optimistic. I like Turner. I think he can call a good game. Dotson, I think he's going to end up being the 1A or 1B.

Like, you know, he could play all three wide receiver positions. McCorn's going to do his thing. So, I mean, I'm optimistic. It feels like we always go to Detroit thinking this would be an easy win and it doesn't always work out that way. So 2-0 would be a great start, but it's such a long season. I remember you talking about it, like even remembering it was 17 games. They played the Chargers week one last year,

and then if you recall, the Chargers had that crazy game against the Raiders. It seemed like, you know, five months later. It's just such a long year. So 2-0 would be a great start, but it's, you know, how it goes. It's the week-week league. Yeah, definitely. You're Terps fan too? Yeah, huge Terps fan, Maryland basketball.

One of the reasons I love listening to your podcast is you touch on them quite frequently. Tommy, I'm optimistic about Willard. Yeah, me too. I'm sorry. Yeah, Willard's killing it recruiting-wise. Right now, Tommy, I don't know if I told you this. Maryland's recruiting class for 2023, top 10 right now, and it could go into the top five. I mean, he is absolutely slaying it from a recruiting standpoint.

Yeah, he's locking down the DMV. He's the hiring of the assistant coaches with the connections to the AAU programs have made huge enroads. So it's good to get the players, but you know, you got to play the games. So we'll see how it goes. But I'm optimistic about Willard as well. Yeah, me too. Tommy, anything more for the head of the D.C. Sports Podcast Association? Well, yeah, we've kind of been waiting for when you're going to have some kind of awards banquet or event.

So, you know, we can invite some media so we can get more of the attention that we deserve. Is there any kind of banquet or dinner in the works at all? Yeah, we'll keep the calendars open. We'll see what we can work with. It might be an end-of-year awards banquet. it. We'll see what the other podcasts in the local area come up with, but it could definitely be something in the works. Tommy, why don't you just go to like sharper image and buy some plaque and have it inscripted with, you know, the podcast, number one in the DMV, and then

just tweet it out and say we want it. I mean, it's theater of the mind here. You do, you do awards to yourself better than anybody I've ever known. And this would, you don't, we don't need a night. no one's going to post for the night. Just get a plaque, put that we won the award, tweet it out, and everybody will buy it. Listen, I'll verify it. If he puts on a D.C. Sports Podcast Association dinner to honor us, people will come, buddy. People will show up. Okay.

Hey, Brian, thanks so much. That was actually great that you did that. Because Tommy would have never been able to figure out how to do a burner account. thinking about it, but I don't think he would have ever pulled it off. But thanks so much. Who wins on Sunday? Let me get your prediction. I say commanders by seven.

Okay, there you go. Brian Chesnik, everybody, the head of the D.C. Sports Podcast Association. They see you follow the Sports Podcast Association on Twitter. Keep up the great work, boys. All right. September award. Thank you, Brian.

Thanks, Brian. Okay. That's it for today. Cooley's supposed to be back with me tomorrow. We'll see how that goes. Tommy, I'll talk to you next Tuesday. Okay, boss.